Who is primarily responsible for the higher MENA input in Sicily and Calabria?

[Sikeliot]

Some Greek users claim it comes from "Neolithic Peloponnesians."

This is why their argument falls apart:

a. Levantine input is higher in Palermo and Agrigento provinces where there was less Greek input, and is lowest in Syracuse where there was the most.
b. Syracusans and other nearby southeast Sicilians plot near MODERN Peloponnesians, implying Peloponnesians today are close to those who settled Sicily, minus a small amount more Slavic.
c. Peloponnesians do have significant Caucasian affinity but almost entirely lack the Levantine component, so where did it go?? It clearly wasn't there when they settled in Sicily.
d. It is well documented that western Sicily was once Phoenician and eventually Carthaginian land.
e. Sicilians are more Levantine on the maternal side and more Greek on the paternal side. The two components thus cannot be linked.
f. Greeks today have absorbed Pontics, Cypriots, Alexandria Greeks and are more MENA now than they ever have been before.


But given it also exists in Calabria, I am not so sure it is all Phoenician. See the red. Maybe it arrived in Calabria secondhand from Sicily.

http://i.imgur.com/j17pzLA.png

[Sikeliot]

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[War Chef]

Pretty sure it was indeed Phoenicians..... Haplogroup E "Phoenician" subclade

http://i.imgur.com/Krg1H7l.gif

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Bronze Age Levantines and Phoenicians

[Sikeliot]

Pretty sure it was indeed Phoenicians..... Haplogroup E "Phoenician" subclade

http://i.imgur.com/Krg1H7l.gif


I think mtdna in Sicily shows more of the Levantine affinity than the y-dna but you may be right. Also some of the J2 might be Levantine.

The difficulty is discerning the difference between Phoenician DNA and that of assimilated Jews.

[War Chef]

I think mtdna in Sicily shows more of the Levantine affinity than the y-dna but you may be right. Also some of the J2 might be Levantine.

The difficulty is discerning the difference between Phoenician DNA and that of assimilated Jews.

I didn't realize there was a Jewish presence in calabria & sicily. The other way around, Ashkenazim may have picked up southern Italian genetic signals before going to the Rhineland (where the Yiddish-Ashkenazi identity was formed).

[Sikeliot]

I didn't realize there was a Jewish presence in calabria & sicily. The other way around, Ashkenazim may have picked up southern Italian genetic signals before going to the Rhineland (where the Yiddish-Ashkenazi identity was formed).


That could easily be.

Vote above please? :)

[Leto]

I don't know. Perhaps some of that admixture is more ancient, while some is rather medieval/post-Roman. Perhaps some slaves were absorbed in Italy as well, though many of them were from the places north of Italy, not south.

[Pahli]

They lack some N. Euro as well which obviously makes them more Middle Eastern shifted.