My wegene Ancestry Composition

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these are the worst results to date

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You didn't get "Chinese" though.

[Voskos]

Hahaha. French???

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Hahaha. French???

62.98

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

"french" is probably celtic

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"french" is probably celtic

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212013-Finally-my-results-are-here!!/page4
take a look at my 23andme results, I don't see how I can have Celtic as I have scored 100% 'English' on other tests with no Irish or Scottish at all..

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212013-Finally-my-results-are-here!!/page4
take a look at my 23andme results, I don't see how I can have Celtic as I have scored 100% 'English' on other tests with no Irish or Scottish at all..

British people are mostly celtic. Other than that they have viking ancestry from warfare and slavery back then. Some have roman ancestry also

The french are also celtic, some have germanic mix though

https://www.shoreline.edu/faculty/rody/archives/celts/celtic%20maps/Prerome.gif

[Not a Cop]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?212013-Finally-my-results-are-here!!/page4
take a look at my 23andme results, I don't see how I can have Celtic as I have scored 100% 'English' on other tests with no Irish or Scottish at all..

This test is made for East-Asians. Europeans are a little interest to them hence results are not very good.

[Mortimer]

This test is made for East-Asians. Europeans are a little interest to them hence results are not very good.

I wonder what zhao gets on WeGene

[Iloko]

"french" is probably celtic
If an Iberian scores some French/German does that also imply a Celtic connection?

[Iloko]

I wonder what zhao gets on WeGene
He doesn't seem all that interested in genetics/genetic-genealogy lol

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

If an Iberian scores some French/German does that also imply a Celtic connection?

yes, because most iberians are celtic. Iberian tribes were mostly among the Carthagenian territories of the map I showed. In fact carthagenians used them as mercenaries to fight rome
Germanic is really is goth, Goths migrated down, and sometime soon settled along the danube, then into roman territories when they fleed the huns. The romans treated them like shit, causing a rebellion among the goths who then sacked rome. Goths split into visigoths and ostrogoths. Ostrogoths stay fight rome in the east. Visigoths migrate toward iberian peninsula. The suebi also migrated who are an actual germanic tribe into north west of it. By the galician territory.

Some germanic tribes migrated from Scandinavia, like the goths did
They have some vandal also but not much. Most of the Vandals fled to north africa

[Iloko]

yes, because most iberians are celtic. Iberian tribes were mostly among the Carthagenian territories of the map I showed. In fact carthagenians used them as mercenaries to fight rome
Germanic is really is goth, Goths migrated down, and sometime soon settled along the danube, then into roman territories when they fleed the huns. The romans treated them like shit, causing a rebellion among the goths who then sacked rome. Goths split into visigoths and ostrogoths. Ostrogoths stay fight rome in the east. Visigoths migrate toward iberian peninsula. The suebi also migrated who are an actual germanic tribe into north west of it. By the galician territory.

Some germanic tribes migrated from Scandinavia, like the goths did
They have some vandal also but not much. Most of the Vandals fled to north africa
Wow thanx for the info!

Will the Northern or Northeastern regions of Spain likely have more Celtic influence among them?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Wow thanx for the info!

Will the Northern or Northeastern regions of Spain likely have more Celtic influence among them?

north eastern probably have abit more basque influence but I don't know for sure.
But they would and should have more celtic. Gailicians are probably actually mixed with suebic people

[brennus dux gallorum]

British people are mostly celtic. Other than that they have viking ancestry from warfare and slavery back then. Some have roman ancestry also

The french are also celtic, some have germanic mix though

https://www.shoreline.edu/faculty/rody/archives/celts/celtic%20maps/Prerome.gif

Such a joke map

Most of northern Germany (which is almost 60% of the country) and even more Netherlands had zero celtic presence, unlike what this map shows

Catalans were not celts

Goths were germanic

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Such a joke map

Most of northern Germany (which is almost 60% of the country) and even more Netherlands had zero celtic presence, unlike what this map shows

Catalans were not celts

Goths were germanic

Uh guy this map is obviously before rome even conquered Italy...

The goths come from scandanavia. Like some other tribes that migrated down Toward central europe.

[Loki]

British people are mostly celtic. Other than that they have viking ancestry from warfare and slavery back then. Some have roman ancestry also

The french are also celtic, some have germanic mix though

https://www.shoreline.edu/faculty/rody/archives/celts/celtic%20maps/Prerome.gif

No, English are not mostly Celtic, they're mostly Germanic, but have some Celtic admixture. And this map is from a time period before the Germanic volkerwanderung (expansion) happened to the West and South. It's misleading, because it's historical from a certain point in time.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

No, English are not mostly Celtic, they're mostly Germanic, but have some Celtic admixture. And this map is from a time period before the Germanic volkerwanderung (expansion) happened to the West and South. It's misleading, because it's historical from a certain point in time.

The english arent germanic lol. They are celtic. In fact during romes war in britain Celtics from france migrated to britain to help the other celtic tribes fight rome. Boudica? Shes celtic not germanic lol

Only the language is close to germanic. but the people are mostly celtic

[Loki]

The english arent germanic lol. They are celtic. In fact during romes war in britain Celtics from france migrated to britain to help the other celtic tribes fight rome. Boudica? Shes celtic not germanic lol

Only the language is close to germanic. but the people are mostly celtic

No, this is not true. This viewpoint has long been proven wrong. Surely, they are a mix. But Germanic predominates. Not only were the Angles (who gave their name to England), the Saxons and Jutes Germanic, but also the later Danish Vikings, Norwegian Vikings, and Normans.

Genetically the English are very close to the Dutch and the Danes, which is unsurprising given that they all are Germanic.

Boudica was Celtic obviously, she was before the English came to England lol.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age_tribes_in_Britain


Southern Britain

Atrebates
The Atrebates (singular Atrebas) were a Belgic tribe of Gaul and Britain before the Roman conquests. However it is possible that the Atrebates were a family of rulers (dynasty), as there is no evidence for a major migration from Belgium to Britain.

Name of the tribe[edit]
Cognate with Old Irish aittrebaid meaning 'inhabitant',[1][2] Atrebates comes from proto-Celtic *ad-treb-a-t-es, 'inhabitants'. The Celtic root is treb- 'building', 'home' (cf. Old Irish treb 'building', 'farm', Welsh tref 'town', Middle Breton treff 'city', toponyms in Tre-, Provençal trevar 'to live in a house or in a village'),[3] which has been linked [1] to the root of English thorpe, 'village'.[1] Edith Wightman suggested that their name may be intended to mean the people of the (inland) earth to contrast with that of the neighbouring coastal Morini, "people of the sea".[4]


Belgae
The Belgae (/ˈbɛldʒiː/ or /ˈbɛlɡaɪ/[1]) were a large confederation[2] of tribes living in northern Gaul, between the English Channel, the west bank of the Rhine, and northern bank of the river Seine, from at least the third century BC. They were discussed in depth by Julius Caesar in his account of his wars in Gaul. Some peoples in Britain were also called Belgae and O'Rahilly equated them with the Fir Bolg in Ireland. The Belgae gave their name to the Roman province of Gallia Belgica and, much later, to the modern country of Belgium.

Julius Caesar describes Gaul at the time of his conquests (58–51 BC) as divided into three parts, inhabited by the Aquitani in the southwest, the Gauls of the biggest central part, who in their own language were called Celtae, and the Belgae in the north.

Cantiaci
The Cantiaci or Cantii were an Iron Age Celtic people living in Britain before the Roman conquest, and gave their name to a civitas of Roman Britain. They lived in the area now called Kent, in south-eastern England. Their capital was Durovernum Cantiacorum, now Canterbury.

Catuvellauni
The Catuvellauni were a Celtic tribe or state of southeastern Britain before the Roman conquest, attested by inscriptions into the 4th century.

Dobunni
The Dobunni were one of the Iron Age tribes living in the British Isles prior to the Roman invasion of Britain. There are seven known references to the tribe in Roman histories and inscriptions.[1][2]
Various historians and archaeologists have examined the Dobunni, including Stephen J. Yeates in his book The Tribe of Witches (2008), where he suggests that the latter part of the name possibly derives from *bune, a cup or vessel, with a similar meaning to the later tribal name Hwicce; both being related to the recognisable cult of a Romano-British goddess.[3] This view has been sharply criticised by several archaeologists.[4][5][6] Archaeologist Miles Russell suggests that their original name may have been "Bodunni", connecting this with the Celtic word *bouda meaning "Victorious", in the sense of "The Victorious Ones".[7]

http://www.romanobritain.org/4-celt/clb_tribe_dobunni.htm
The Dobunni were one of the Celtic tribes living in the British Isles prior to the Roman invasion of Britain. There are seven known references to the tribe

Dumnonii, and sub-tribe Cornovii
The people of Dumnonia spoke a Southwestern Brythonic dialect similar to the forerunner of more recent Cornish and Breton. Irish immigrants, the Déisi,[3] are evidenced by the Ogham-inscribed stones they have left behind, confirmed and supplemented by toponymical studies.[4] The stones are sometimes inscribed in Latin, sometimes in both scripts.[3] Tristram Risdon suggested the continuance of a Brythonic dialect in the South Hams, Devon, as late as the 14th century, in addition to its use in Cornwall.
The Cornovii are a hypothetical tribe who would have been part of the Dumnonii,[1] a Celtic tribe inhabiting the South West peninsula of Great Britain, during some part of the Iron Age, Roman and post-Roman periods. [2]


Durotriges
The Durotriges were one of the Celtic tribes living in Britain prior to the Roman invasion. The tribe lived in modern Dorset, south Wiltshire, south Somerset and Devon east of the River Axe and the discovery of an Iron Age hoard in 2009 at Shalfleet, Isle of Wight gives evidence that they lived in the western half of the island.

Regnenses
The Regnenses, Regni or Regini were a British Celtic kingdom and later a civitas of Roman Britain.

Textoverdi
The Textoverdi were a group of ancient Britons whose name appears in the upper valley of the River South Tyne in present-day Northumberland.[1] One scholar calls them one of the “shadowy peoples of Lower Britain.”[2] The Textoverdi may have been a sub-tribe of the Brigantes, but according to Laurence and Berry, they could have been an independent group[2] who originally paid tribute to stronger neighbours but then managed to establish their own independent relationship with the Romans.[2]

Trinovantes
The Trinovantes or Trinobantes were one of the Celtic tribes of pre-Roman Britain. Their territory was on the north side of the Thames estuary in current Essex and Suffolk, and included lands now located in Greater London. They were bordered to the north by the Iceni, and to the west by the Catuvellauni

Iceni
"Boudica or Boudicca (/ˈbuːdᵻkə/, Latinised as Boadicea or Boudicea /boʊdᵻˈsiːə/, and known in Welsh as Buddug [ˈbɨ̞ðɨ̞ɡ])[1][2] was a queen of the British Celtic Iceni tribe who led an uprising against the occupying forces of the Roman Empire in AD 60 or 61, and died shortly after its failure."

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Western Britain



Deceangli
The Deceangli or Deceangi (Welsh: Tegeingl[1][2]) were one of the Celtic tribes living in Britain, prior to the Roman invasion of the island. The tribe lived mainly in what is now north-east Wales, though it is uncertain whether their territory covered only the modern counties of Flintshire,[3] Denbighshire and part of Cheshire in what is now England or whether it extended further west. The tribe occupied an area between the Clwyd and Dee rivers.[4] They lived in hill forts running in a chain through the Clwydian Range and their tribal capital was Canovium.[5]


Demetae
The Demetae were a Celtic people of Iron Age Britain who inhabited modern Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire in south-west Wales, and gave their name to the county of Dyfed.


Gangani
The Gangani (Γαγγανοι) were a people of ancient Ireland who are referred to in Ptolemy's 2nd century Geography as living in the south-west of the island, probably near the mouth of the River Shannon, between the Auteini to the north and the Uellabori to the south.[1][2] There appears to have been a people of the same name in north-west Wales, as Ptolemy calls the Llŷn Peninsula the "promontory of the Gangani" (Γαγγανὤν ἄκρον).[3][4]


Ordovices
he Ordovices were one of the Celtic tribes living in Great Britain before the Roman invasion. Their tribal lands were located in present-day North Wales and England between the Silures to the south and the Deceangli to the north-east. The Ordovices were conquered by the Roman governor Gnaeus Julius Agricola in the campaign of AD 77–78.


Silures


The Silures were a powerful and warlike tribe or tribal confederation of ancient Britain, occupying what is now south east Wales and perhaps some adjoining areas. They were bordered to the north by the Ordovices; to the east by the Dobunni; and to the west by the Demetae.

According to Tacitus's biography of Agricola, the Silures usually had a dark complexion and curly hair. Due to their appearance, Tacitus believed they had crossed over from Spain at an earlier date.
"... the swarthy faces of the Silures, the curly quality, in general, of their hair, and the position of Spain opposite their shores, attest to the passage of Iberians in old days and the occupation by them of these districts; ..." (Tacitus Annales Xi.ii, translated by M. Hutton)
Jordanes, in his Origins and Deeds of the Goths, describes the Silures.
"The Silures have swarthy features and are usually born with curly black hair, but the inhabitants of Caledonia have reddish hair and large loose-jointed bodies. They are like the Gauls or the Spaniards."
The Iron Age hillfort at Llanmelin near Caerwent has sometimes been suggested as a pre-Roman tribal centre,[1] but the view of most archaeologists is that the people who became known as the Silures were a loose network of groups with some shared cultural values, rather than a centralised society. Although the most obvious physical remains of the Silures are hillforts such as those at Llanmelin and Sudbrook, there is also archaeological evidence of roundhouses at Gwehelog, Thornwell (Chepstow) and elsewhere, and evidence of lowland occupation notably at Goldcliff.[2]

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

No, this is not true. This viewpoint has long been proven wrong. Surely, they are a mix. But Germanic predominates. Not only were the Angles (who gave their name to England), the Saxons and Jutes Germanic, but also the later Danish Vikings, Norwegian Vikings, and Normans.

Genetically the English are very close to the Dutch and the Danes, which is unsurprising given that they all are Germanic.

Boudica was Celtic obviously, she was before the English came to England lol.

The English only have that mix from slavery and rape in warfare except for arcadia in britain. as vikings used to raid and catch celtics to make them thralls.

But most Celts werent thralls
In any event nearly all the native british tribes were celtic in origin anyways. Its not reasonable to think that vikings replaced most of their genetics with Scandinavian blood

Jutes i have to read up about them

[brennus dux gallorum]

Uh guy this map is obviously before rome even conquered Italy...

The goths come from scandanavia. Like some other tribes that migrated down Toward central europe.

I am obviously talking about pre-roman days, and many parts are mistakenly shown as celtic or non-celtic

Also, yes goths came from Scandinavia, but were equally Germanic as the rest, they should be depicted as grey in this map

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I am obviously talking about pre-roman days, and many parts are mistakenly shown as celtic or non-celtic

Also, yes goths came from Scandinavia, but were equally Germanic as the rest, they should be depicted as grey in this map

What constitutes as germanic is clouded because many germanics were not real germanics but Scandinavians. And some Germanic were actually from the region with roots far back in that region.

But Celts were pretty much almost everywhere and all over the place

Some "germanic" tribes were actually probably celts also

[Sikeliot]

No, this is not true. This viewpoint has long been proven wrong. Surely, they are a mix. But Germanic predominates. Not only were the Angles (who gave their name to England), the Saxons and Jutes Germanic, but also the later Danish Vikings, Norwegian Vikings, and Normans.

Genetically the English are very close to the Dutch and the Danes, which is unsurprising given that they all are Germanic.

Boudica was Celtic obviously, she was before the English came to England lol.

No. The English and Irish are too genetically close for this to be true, unless Irish are significantly Germanic too.

[Dick]

This test is made for East-Asians. Europeans are a little interest to them hence results are not very good.

Wegene is good if you did Ancestrydna. You can upload your raw data and find out your ydna and mtdna since Adna dosn't tell you. For example, the OP's full mtdna is H1h1, not just H1. 23andme isn't good at determining specific clades either unlike wegene which surprises me.

[Loki]

The English only have that mix from slavery and rape in warfare except for arcadia in britain. as vikings used to raid and catch celtics to make them thralls.

But most Celts werent thralls
In any event nearly all the native british tribes were celtic in origin anyways. Its not reasonable to think that vikings replaced most of their genetics with Scandinavian blood

Jutes i have to read up about them

You mean you've never heard of the Anglo-Saxons? Astonishing...

[Loki]

No. The English and Irish are too genetically close for this to be true, unless Irish are significantly Germanic too.

The latter! :)

[Hamlet]

The English are about 60% Germanic and 40% Celtic, from Y DNA at least. If you account for the fact that more mtDNA is likely Celtic as the invaders, and not the defenders, were Germanic, you probably get something around a 50-50 split. It's pretty ludicrous to deny modern Anglos are heavily Celtic.

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Wegene is good if you did Ancestrydna. You can upload your raw data and find out your ydna and mtdna since Adna dosn't tell you. For example, the OP's full mtdna is H1h1, not just H1. 23andme isn't good at determining specific clades either unlike wegene which surprises me.

My data that I uploaded to wegene was from 23andme. How accurate are wegene with their haplogroups? They have also given me R1a1a1 as paternal group.

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"french" is probably celtic

So I am 62.98 celtic but have no Germanic?

[Teutonski]

Must be an error, why such a low english score?