Amerindians are an ancient Eurasian race and closest to Central Asians

[Maguzanci]

LOL at the notion that Amerindians are part of the "Mongoloid" race. They are actually their own separate ancient Eurasian race. They can be described as Eurasian at most but not Mongoloids.

If I remember correctly, Petalpusher stated once that Amerindians are actually situated best in the middle of Eurasia which is approximately Central Asia in PCA.

This PCA demonstrated well where Amerindians are located in terms of their Eurasian affinities

As one can see here, Amerindians are closest to South-Central Asians. There are two Amerindian clusters, one that is closer to Kyrgyz (not sure which Native pop) and one that is closer to Nepalis (not sure which Native but probably Bolivian).

https://dnaexplained.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/botocudo-not-admixed.png


For those who considered Native Americans as part of the "Mongoloid" race, they also have to consider Papuans, Australian Aborigines as "Mongoloid" as well as both groups are in the same Mega Eastern Non-African genetic group with "Mongoloids" but don't really cluster with them (Mongoloids).

As one can see, both are equidistant from Mongoloids aka Eastern Asians.

http://s9.postimg.org/rrbp2n4gf/Asian_Genetics.png

[Maguzanci]

In gedmatch calculators without the Amerindian component, the populations with closest genetic distance to Native Americans are Central Asians like Kazakh, Uzbek, Uyghur, Kyrgyz, etc who are genetically Eurasians" than actually Mongoloids as they are heavily West Eurasian admixed.

Native American results using Eurogenes Eutest

some results of 100% Amerindians

Karitiana
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 43.87
2 EAST_ASIAN 26.16
3 EAST_EURO 18.71
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 11.26

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 18.94
2 Selkup 33.67
3 Chukchi 39.21
4 Koryak 42.92
5 Komi 52.81
6 Udmurt 52.94
7 Erzya 60.7
8 East_Russian 61.59
9 East_Finnish 61.85
10 Burusho 62.2
11 North_Russian 62.48
12 South_Finnish 64.45
13 Nganassan 66.3
14 RO 67.12
15 West_Russian 67.15
16 Serbian 67.17
17 HU 67.24
18 North_Swedish 67.38
19 Ukrainian-Russian 67.4
20 TR 68.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.90% Selkup + 26.10% Chinese @ 9.09
2 72.30% Selkup + 27.70% North_Han_Chinese @ 9.11
3 67.80% Selkup + 32.20% Japanese @ 9.18
4 68.80% Selkup + 31.20% KR @ 9.3
5 73.80% KZ + 26.20% Chukchi @ 13.72
6 76.10% KZ + 23.90% Koryak @ 14.05
7 72.20% KZ + 27.80% Selkup @ 14.98
8 85% KZ + 15% Nganassan @ 15.12
9 99.30% KZ + 0.70% South_Indian @ 18.93
10 100% KZ + 0% AJ @ 18.94
11 100% KZ + 0% Algerian @ 18.94
12 100% KZ + 0% Armenian @ 18.94
13 100% KZ + 0% Assyrian @ 18.94
14 100% KZ + 0% AT @ 18.94
15 100% KZ + 0% Balochi @ 18.94
16 100% KZ + 0% Bangladeshi @ 18.94
17 100% KZ + 0% Bedouin @ 18.94
18 100% KZ + 0% Belorussian @ 18.94
19 100% KZ + 0% Brahui @ 18.94
20 100% KZ + 0% Burusho @ 18.94

Surui
Admix Results (sorted): Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 46.93
2 EAST_ASIAN 23.81
3 EAST_EURO 18.7
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 10.55
Eastern Non-African 70.74
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 21.15
2 Selkup 29.78
3 Chukchi 35.11
4 Koryak 38.85
5 Komi 53.48
6 Udmurt 53.8
7 Erzya 61.9
8 Nganassan 61.98
9 East_Russian 62.79
10 East_Finnish 62.96
11 North_Russian 63.66
12 Burusho 64.13
13 South_Finnish 65.62
14 West_Russian 68.53
15 RO 68.56
16 Serbian 68.62
17 HU 68.68
18 North_Swedish 68.69
19 Ukrainian-Russian 68.8
20 TR 69.43

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.60% Selkup + 28.40% Japanese @ 8.4
2 72.50% Selkup + 27.50% KR @ 8.57
3 75.70% Selkup + 24.30% North_Han_Chinese @ 8.76
4 77.10% Selkup + 22.90% Chinese @ 8.89
5 65.80% KZ + 34.20% Chukchi @ 12.57
6 68.70% KZ + 31.30% Koryak @ 13.03
7 79.40% KZ + 20.60% Nganassan @ 14.24
8 62.60% KZ + 37.40% Selkup @ 14.27
9 67.20% Chukchi + 32.80% Burusho @ 18.27
10 71.10% Chukchi + 28.90% Bangladeshi @ 18.97
11 64.50% Koryak + 35.50% Burusho @ 19.49
12 70.10% Chukchi + 29.90% Kalash @ 19.79
13 71.60% Chukchi + 28.40% Sindhi @ 20.27
14 68.60% Koryak + 31.40% Bangladeshi @ 20.41
15 70.90% Chukchi + 29.10% Balochi @ 20.65
16 63.60% Chukchi + 36.40% Udmurt @ 20.67
17 72.90% Chukchi + 27.10% IN @ 20.72
18 70.90% Chukchi + 29.10% Brahui @ 20.72
19 67.30% Chukchi + 32.70% Erzya @ 20.77
20 67.80% Chukchi + 32.20% East_Russian @ 20.95

Pima
# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 44.6
2 EAST_ASIAN 22.84
3 EAST_EURO 19.51
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 11.64
5 SOUTH_BALTIC 1.26
6 WEST_AFRICAN 0.16

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 19.66
2 Selkup 30.04
3 Chukchi 37.69
4 Koryak 41.45
5 Komi 50.78
6 Udmurt 51.02
7 Erzya 59.07
8 East_Russian 59.97
9 East_Finnish 60.23
10 North_Russian 60.81
11 Burusho 61.33
12 South_Finnish 62.97
13 Nganassan 64.21
14 West_Russian 65.72
15 Ukrainian-Russian 65.97
16 RO 65.99
17 Serbian 66.04
18 HU 66.05
19 North_Swedish 66.15
20 AT 67.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77% Selkup + 23% Chinese @ 9.24
2 75.60% Selkup + 24.40% North_Han_Chinese @ 9.32
3 71.70% Selkup + 28.30% Japanese @ 9.53
4 72.60% Selkup + 27.40% KR @ 9.62
5 64.80% KZ + 35.20% Selkup @ 13.05
6 70.90% KZ + 29.10% Chukchi @ 13.26
7 73.50% KZ + 26.50% Koryak @ 13.66
8 82.40% KZ + 17.60% Nganassan @ 14.39
9 64% Chukchi + 36% Burusho @ 18.35
10 68.30% Chukchi + 31.70% Bangladeshi @ 19.28
11 61.40% Koryak + 38.60% Burusho @ 19.52
12 98.40% KZ + 1.60% South_Indian @ 19.6
13 100% KZ + 0% AJ @ 19.66
14 100% KZ + 0% Algerian @ 19.66
15 100% KZ + 0% Armenian @ 19.66
16 100% KZ + 0% Assyrian @ 19.66
17 100% KZ + 0% AT @ 19.66
18 100% KZ + 0% Balochi @ 19.66
19 100% KZ + 0% Bangladeshi @ 19.66
20 100% KZ + 0% Bedouin @ 19.66

Some Ancient Natives


Kennewick Man
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 42.02
2 EAST_EURO 20.32
3 EAST_ASIAN 19.63
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 6.56
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.78
6 SOUTH_BALTIC 3.51
7 WEST_AFRICAN 2.1
8 ATLANTIC 2.09
Eastern Non-African 61.65
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 17.22
2 Selkup 27.82
3 Chukchi 39.58
4 Koryak 43.31
5 Komi 44.26
6 Udmurt 44.77
7 Erzya 52.87
8 East_Finnish 53.73
9 East_Russian 53.74
10 North_Russian 54.61
11 South_Finnish 56.45
12 West_Russian 59.6
13 North_Swedish 59.77
14 Ukrainian-Russian 59.89
15 HU 60.17
16 Serbian 60.31
17 RO 60.48
18 Burusho 60.67
19 UA 61.28
20 AT 61.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.50% Selkup + 21.50% Chinese @ 7.87
2 63.70% KZ + 36.30% Selkup @ 8.17
3 77.30% Selkup + 22.70% North_Han_Chinese @ 8.19
4 74.60% Selkup + 25.40% KR @ 9.07
5 73.90% Selkup + 26.10% Japanese @ 9.14
6 75.60% KZ + 24.40% Chukchi @ 12.21
7 84.40% KZ + 15.60% Nganassan @ 12.5
8 77.80% KZ + 22.20% Koryak @ 12.54
9 58.20% Chukchi + 41.80% Erzya @ 15.97
10 53.60% Chukchi + 46.40% Udmurt @ 15.97
11 58.70% Chukchi + 41.30% East_Russian @ 16.19
12 59.10% Chukchi + 40.90% North_Russian @ 16.24
13 61.60% Chukchi + 38.40% Ukrainian-Russian @ 16.76
14 51% Koryak + 49% Udmurt @ 16.88
15 53.30% Chukchi + 46.70% Komi @ 16.9
16 58.80% Chukchi + 41.20% East_Finnish @ 16.91
17 61.50% Chukchi + 38.50% West_Russian @ 16.96
18 55.70% Koryak + 44.30% Erzya @ 17
19 94.70% KZ + 5.30% Komi @ 17.07
20 95.50% KZ + 4.50% Udmurt @ 17.11

Clovis-Anzick
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 42.84
2 EAST_ASIAN 24.12
3 EAST_EURO 22.89
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 9.27
5 WEST_AFRICAN 0.88
66.96
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 19.19
2 Selkup 31.25
3 Chukchi 40.27
4 Koryak 44.05
5 Komi 49.83
6 Udmurt 49.93
7 Erzya 57.92
8 East_Russian 58.93
9 East_Finnish 59.3
10 North_Russian 59.73
11 Burusho 61.71
12 South_Finnish 62.09
13 West_Russian 64.85
14 Ukrainian-Russian 65.06
15 Serbian 65.28
16 RO 65.32
17 North_Swedish 65.33
18 HU 65.38
19 UA 66.57
20 AT 66.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.60% Selkup + 24.40% Chinese @ 7.6
2 74.20% Selkup + 25.80% North_Han_Chinese @ 7.89
3 71.10% Selkup + 28.90% KR @ 8.71
4 70.20% Selkup + 29.80% Japanese @ 8.75
5 67.40% KZ + 32.60% Selkup @ 13.55
6 75.30% KZ + 24.70% Chukchi @ 14.73
7 77.70% KZ + 22.30% Koryak @ 15.08
8 85.60% KZ + 14.40% Nganassan @ 15.75
9 100% KZ + 0% AJ @ 19.19
10 100% KZ + 0% Algerian @ 19.19
11 100% KZ + 0% Armenian @ 19.19
12 100% KZ + 0% Assyrian @ 19.19
13 100% KZ + 0% AT @ 19.19
14 100% KZ + 0% Balochi @ 19.19
15 100% KZ + 0% Bangladeshi @ 19.19
16 100% KZ + 0% Bedouin @ 19.19
17 100% KZ + 0% Belorussian @ 19.19
18 100% KZ + 0% Brahui @ 19.19
19 100% KZ + 0% Burusho @ 19.19
20 100% KZ + 0% Chinese @ 19.19

Chachapoya 1# (Ancient Peru)
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 55
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.38
3 EAST_ASIAN 16.1
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 5.34
5 WEST_AFRICAN 1.18
71.1
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Chukchi 30.58
2 Koryak 32.93
3 Selkup 34.17
4 KZ 34.96
5 Nganassan 52.14
6 Komi 59.86
7 Udmurt 62.18
8 East_Finnish 67.53
9 South_Finnish 69.1
10 East_Russian 69.39
11 Erzya 69.59
12 North_Swedish 70.52
13 North_Russian 70.75
14 NO 72.38
15 West_&_Central_German 72.46
16 AT 72.61
17 South_&_Central_Swedish 72.63
18 NL 72.65
19 HU 72.65
20 Serbian 72.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.80% Koryak + 28.20% English @ 17.67
2 71.80% Koryak + 28.20% DK @ 17.67
3 71.80% Koryak + 28.20% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 17.78
4 71.70% Koryak + 28.30% NO @ 17.79
5 74% Chukchi + 26% English @ 17.82
6 74% Chukchi + 26% DK @ 17.89
7 71.80% Koryak + 28.20% NL @ 17.96
8 74% Chukchi + 26% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 17.99
9 73.90% Chukchi + 26.10% NO @ 18
10 71.80% Koryak + 28.20% West_&_Central_German @ 18.07
11 74.10% Chukchi + 25.90% NL @ 18.12
12 74.10% Chukchi + 25.90% West_&_Central_German @ 18.23
13 72.30% Koryak + 27.70% Orcadian @ 18.35
14 72.30% Koryak + 27.70% Cornish @ 18.43
15 71.40% Koryak + 28.60% North_Swedish @ 18.46
16 72.40% Koryak + 27.60% IE @ 18.46
17 74.50% Chukchi + 25.50% Orcadian @ 18.46
18 74.50% Chukchi + 25.50% Cornish @ 18.53
19 74.60% Chukchi + 25.40% IE @ 18.56
20 72.60% Koryak + 27.40% Scottish @ 18.58

Slightly admixed Natives

Mayan
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 39.1
2 EAST_EURO 20.51
3 EAST_ASIAN 20.16
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 8.4
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 4.4
6 SOUTH_BALTIC 3.03
7 ATLANTIC 2.87
8 WEST_AFRICAN 1.52
59.26
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 15.63
2 Selkup 30.66
3 Komi 42.49
4 Udmurt 42.81
5 Chukchi 43.06
6 Koryak 46.79
7 Erzya 50.77
8 East_Russian 51.58
9 East_Finnish 51.6
10 North_Russian 52.49
11 South_Finnish 54.24
12 North_Swedish 57.38
13 West_Russian 57.38
14 Burusho 57.6
15 Ukrainian-Russian 57.68
16 HU 57.85
17 Serbian 57.97
18 RO 58.21
19 AT 58.97
20 UA 59.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70% KZ + 30% Selkup @ 9.32
2 76.80% Selkup + 23.20% Chinese @ 10.62
3 75.60% Selkup + 24.40% North_Han_Chinese @ 11.04
4 72.80% Selkup + 27.20% KR @ 12.11
5 72% Selkup + 28% Japanese @ 12.2
6 82.50% KZ + 17.50% Chukchi @ 12.96
7 88.90% KZ + 11.10% Nganassan @ 13.16
8 84.30% KZ + 15.70% Koryak @ 13.2
9 92% KZ + 8% Komi @ 15.25
10 92.30% KZ + 7.70% Udmurt @ 15.28
11 96% KZ + 4% North_Russian @ 15.49
12 96.10% KZ + 3.90% East_Finnish @ 15.5
13 97.90% KZ + 2.10% South_Indian @ 15.52
14 97.10% KZ + 2.90% East_Russian @ 15.56
15 97.20% KZ + 2.80% Erzya @ 15.57
16 97.40% KZ + 2.60% South_Finnish @ 15.57
17 98.80% KZ + 1.20% Gujarati @ 15.61
18 99.30% KZ + 0.70% Yoruba @ 15.61
19 99% KZ + 1% Bangladeshi @ 15.61
20 99.40% KZ + 0.60% Luhya @ 15.62

Peruvian 1 (Don't know which tribe)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 36.63
2 EAST_ASIAN 18.07
3 EAST_EURO 17.52
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 10.27
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 9.83
6 SOUTH_BALTIC 4.55
7 ATLANTIC 2.46
8 WEST_AFRICAN 0.66

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 15.98
2 Selkup 32.68
3 Komi 39.03
4 Udmurt 39.83
5 Chukchi 45.93
6 East_Finnish 47.48
7 Erzya 47.5
8 East_Russian 47.93
9 North_Russian 48.98
10 Koryak 49.56
11 South_Finnish 49.94
12 North_Swedish 52.79
13 West_Russian 53.55
14 HU 53.77
15 Ukrainian-Russian 53.84
16 Serbian 53.98
17 Burusho 54.32
18 RO 54.51
19 AT 54.66
20 UA 55.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.3% KZ + 26.7% Selkup @ 11.45
2 84.1% KZ + 15.9% Komi @ 14.44
3 91.4% KZ + 8.6% Nganassan @ 14.58
4 85.5% KZ + 14.5% Udmurt @ 14.7
5 87.4% KZ + 12.6% Chukchi @ 14.7
6 88.1% KZ + 11.9% East_Finnish @ 14.78
7 88.8% KZ + 11.2% Koryak @ 14.83
8 89.4% KZ + 10.6% South_Finnish @ 14.94
9 89.3% KZ + 10.7% North_Russian @ 14.97
10 94% KZ + 6% South_Indian @ 15.1
11 89.8% KZ + 10.2% East_Russian @ 15.12
12 91.2% KZ + 8.8% North_Swedish @ 15.22
13 90.4% KZ + 9.6% Erzya @ 15.26
14 94.1% KZ + 5.9% Gujarati @ 15.34
15 92.5% KZ + 7.5% EE @ 15.39
16 92.5% KZ + 7.5% NO @ 15.39
17 92.7% KZ + 7.3% DK @ 15.4
18 92.6% KZ + 7.4% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 15.4
19 94.1% KZ + 5.9% IN @ 15.41
20 94% KZ + 6% Bangladeshi @ 15.44

Peruvian #2

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 34.37
2 EAST_EURO 19.49
3 EAST_ASIAN 17.85
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 9.94
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 9.72
6 SOUTH_BALTIC 4.28
7 ATLANTIC 3.03
8 WEST_AFRICAN 1.19
9 WEST_ASIAN 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 16.19
2 Selkup 34.03
3 Komi 36.84
4 Udmurt 37.47
5 Erzya 45.13
6 East_Finnish 45.24
7 East_Russian 45.6
8 North_Russian 46.64
9 South_Finnish 47.76
10 Chukchi 48.65
11 North_Swedish 50.65
12 West_Russian 51.34
13 Ukrainian-Russian 51.61
14 HU 51.72
15 Serbian 51.91
16 Koryak 52.3
17 RO 52.52
18 AT 52.63
19 Burusho 52.8
20 UA 52.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.7% KZ + 24.3% Selkup @ 12.62
2 79.4% KZ + 20.6% Komi @ 13.55
3 80.4% KZ + 19.6% Udmurt @ 13.8
4 84% KZ + 16% East_Finnish @ 13.98
5 85% KZ + 15% North_Russian @ 14.19
6 85.5% KZ + 14.5% South_Finnish @ 14.22
7 85.4% KZ + 14.6% East_Russian @ 14.41
8 85.9% KZ + 14.1% Erzya @ 14.58
9 87.5% KZ + 12.5% North_Swedish @ 14.63
10 89% KZ + 11% EE @ 14.87
11 89.1% KZ + 10.9% NO @ 14.91
12 89.2% KZ + 10.8% DK @ 14.92
13 89.2% KZ + 10.8% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 14.93
14 89.4% KZ + 10.6% Belorussian @ 15
15 89.5% KZ + 10.5% Northwest_Russian @ 15
16 93.2% KZ + 6.8% South_Indian @ 15.05
17 89.2% KZ + 10.8% Ukrainian-Russian @ 15.06
18 89.3% KZ + 10.7% West_Russian @ 15.08
19 90.4% KZ + 9.6% LIT @ 15.14
20 89.9% KZ + 10.1% UA @ 15.17

[Maguzanci]

Furthermore, 40-50% of Amerindian ancestry are ANE/Mal'ta Boy, which is much much closer to Western Non-African/Western Eurasian clusters than to Eastern Non-African/East Eurasian. In fact, if ANE is simply thought of as 2/3 WNA+1/3 ENA, Amerindians would be around 25-40% West Eurasian-related. This puts them around Central Asians in terms of ENA and WNA affinities.

And Central Asia or Eurasia is where where they should actually be located on PCAs not near East Asians.

Gedrosia K6 is a calculator that gives a rough idea of the West Eurasian and Eastern Non-African proportions of Amerindians. DO NOT TAKE the population distance literally as it is ONLY showing the Eastern Non-African affinities and scores of the populations rather than actual genetic distance.

Again, the point of this calculator is the West Eurasian and Eastern Non-African percentages of Native Americans and not the genetic dsitance.

100% Amerindians

Karitiana

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 66.4
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 21.49
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 7.35
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 4.75

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pima 3.8
2 Clovis 7.51
3 Altaian 13.93
4 Kyrgyz 15.56
5 Sherpa 18.14
6 Eskimo 18.34
7 Kusunda 19.26
8 Kalmyk 20.14
9 Cambodian 24.72
10 Uygur 25.18
11 Hazara 25.21
12 Nganasan 29.22
13 Tibetan 29.74
14 Mongola 33.79
15 Uzbek 36.16
16 Ami 37.14
17 Han 37.9
18 Ulchi 38.09
19 Dai 39.65
20 Turkmen 46.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.3% Clovis + 19.7% Tibetan @ 1.79
2 74.6% Tibetan + 25.4% EHG @ 1.8
3 83.6% Clovis + 16.4% Ami @ 1.83
4 82.3% Clovis + 17.7% Mongola @ 1.85
5 83.9% Clovis + 16.1% Han @ 1.9
6 80.1% Clovis + 19.9% Nganasan @ 1.99
7 84% Clovis + 16% Ulchi @ 2.04
8 84.6% Clovis + 15.4% Dai @ 2.04
9 73.8% Clovis + 26.2% Kalmyk @ 2.48
10 87.8% Pima + 12.2% Kusunda @ 2.71
11 97.4% Pima + 2.6% Onge @ 2.8
12 97.9% Pima + 2.1% Andamanese @ 2.87
13 97.9% Pima + 2.1% Australian @ 2.87
14 97.9% Pima + 2.1% Papuan @ 2.87
15 72.4% Clovis + 27.6% Eskimo @ 2.99
16 98% Pima + 2% WHG @ 3.01
17 98% Pima + 2% Hungarian_KO1 @ 3.01
18 91.5% Pima + 8.5% Cambodian @ 3.03
19 96.7% Pima + 3.3% GoyetQ116 @ 3.05
20 88.8% Pima + 11.2% Sherpa @ 3.06

Surui
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 66.19
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 21.78
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 8.17
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.86

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pima 3.74
2 Clovis 7.24
3 Altaian 13.91
4 Kyrgyz 15.53
5 Eskimo 18.68
6 Sherpa 19.1
7 Kusunda 20.3
8 Kalmyk 20.4
9 Uygur 25.05
10 Hazara 25.13
11 Cambodian 25.6
12 Nganasan 29.56
13 Tibetan 30.35
14 Mongola 34.19
15 Uzbek 35.9
16 Ami 37.61
17 Han 38.33
18 Ulchi 38.48
19 Dai 40.05
20 Turkmen 45.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81% Clovis + 19% Nganasan @ 2.15
2 83.2% Clovis + 16.8% Mongola @ 2.18
3 97.4% Pima + 2.6% WHG @ 2.2
4 97.4% Pima + 2.6% Hungarian_KO1 @ 2.2
5 84.8% Clovis + 15.2% Han @ 2.32
6 84.9% Clovis + 15.1% Ulchi @ 2.33
7 85.4% Clovis + 14.6% Dai @ 2.34
8 84.6% Clovis + 15.4% Ami @ 2.35
9 74.8% Clovis + 25.2% Kalmyk @ 2.44
10 97.3% Pima + 2.7% Motala12 @ 2.45
11 97.2% Pima + 2.8% SHG @ 2.48
12 81.8% Clovis + 18.2% Tibetan @ 2.62
13 96.2% Pima + 3.8% GoyetQ116 @ 2.73
14 74.2% Tibetan + 25.8% EHG @ 2.79
15 97.4% Pima + 2.6% Basque @ 2.97
16 97% Pima + 3% Finnish @ 3
17 97.3% Pima + 2.7% Lithuanian @ 3.02
18 97.7% Pima + 2.3% Europe_EN @ 3.03
19 97.3% Pima + 2.7% Estonian @ 3.03
20 97.1% Pima + 2.9% Russian @ 3.06

Native Colombian
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 68.04
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.59
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 6.6
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 4.76

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pima 4.27
2 Clovis 9.29
3 Altaian 13.09
4 Kyrgyz 15.23
5 Eskimo 16.49
6 Sherpa 16.69
7 Kalmyk 18.53
8 Kusunda 18.76
9 Cambodian 23.14
10 Uygur 26.19
11 Hazara 26.21
12 Nganasan 27.35
13 Tibetan 27.86
14 Mongola 31.93
15 Ami 35.24
16 Han 36
17 Ulchi 36.2
18 Uzbek 37.44
19 Dai 37.76
20 Kharia 47.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.2% Tibetan + 23.8% EHG @ 1.42
2 79.3% Clovis + 20.7% Ami @ 1.49
3 75.2% Clovis + 24.8% Tibetan @ 1.54
4 79.7% Clovis + 20.3% Han @ 1.61
5 77.7% Clovis + 22.3% Mongola @ 1.69
6 79.9% Clovis + 20.1% Ulchi @ 1.83
7 80.5% Clovis + 19.5% Dai @ 1.83
8 75% Clovis + 25% Nganasan @ 1.86
9 86% Pima + 14% Cambodian @ 2.01
10 82.1% Pima + 17.9% Sherpa @ 2.3
11 89.7% Pima + 10.3% Tibetan @ 2.83
12 85.4% Pima + 14.6% Kusunda @ 2.85
13 85.5% Pima + 14.5% Kalmyk @ 2.93
14 67.5% Clovis + 32.5% Kalmyk @ 3.01
15 64.9% Clovis + 35.1% Eskimo @ 3.04
16 81.2% Pima + 18.8% Altaian @ 3.09
17 92.6% Pima + 7.4% Ami @ 3.24
18 92% Pima + 8% Mongola @ 3.24
19 93% Pima + 7% Han @ 3.32
20 91.3% Pima + 8.7% Nganasan @ 3.4


Ancient Natives

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 58.83
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.52
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 11.66
4 Natufian 3.23
5 Sub_Saharan 3.08
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.68

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Clovis 8.55
2 Pima 11.61
3 Kyrgyz 14.55
4 Altaian 15.46
5 Uygur 18.9
6 Hazara 19.17
7 Kusunda 22.2
8 Sherpa 23.61
9 Kalmyk 24.6
10 Eskimo 26
11 Uzbek 28.62
12 Cambodian 30.15
13 Nganasan 35.79
14 Tibetan 36.3
15 Turkmen 38.44
16 Mongola 39.83
17 Ami 43.68
18 Kharia 43.87
19 Han 44.4
20 Ulchi 44.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.9% Pima + 16.1% GoyetQ116 @ 3.93
2 87.7% Pima + 12.3% Basque @ 4.29
3 72.3% Eskimo + 27.7% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 4.37
4 85.7% Pima + 14.3% Finnish @ 4.46
5 87% Pima + 13% Lithuanian @ 4.52
6 86.7% Pima + 13.3% Estonian @ 4.55
7 85.5% Pima + 14.5% Russian @ 4.61
8 87.5% Pima + 12.5% Spanish @ 4.61
9 87.2% Pima + 12.8% Icelandic @ 4.61
10 87.1% Pima + 12.9% Europe_LNBA @ 4.63
11 87.1% Pima + 12.9% Scottish @ 4.65
12 87.3% Pima + 12.7% English @ 4.67
13 87.4% Pima + 12.6% French @ 4.7
14 87.1% Pima + 12.9% Czech @ 4.73
15 87.1% Pima + 12.9% Norwegian @ 4.74
16 86.9% Pima + 13.1% Ukrainian @ 4.75
17 87.1% Pima + 12.9% Hungarian @ 4.78
18 88.5% Pima + 11.5% Sardinian @ 4.83
19 87.6% Pima + 12.4% Algerian @ 4.84
20 87.4% Pima + 12.6% Croatian @ 4.97

Clovis-Anzick
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 60.7
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 23.77
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 8.54
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 5.84
5 Sub_Saharan 1.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Clovis 3.12
2 Pima 7.58
3 Altaian 17.93
4 Kyrgyz 18
5 Kusunda 20.54
6 Sherpa 22.35
7 Uygur 22.47
8 Hazara 22.51
9 Eskimo 24.43
10 Kalmyk 25.57
11 Cambodian 29.19
12 Uzbek 32.34
13 Nganasan 35.26
14 Tibetan 35.46
15 Mongola 39.72
16 Turkmen 42.01
17 Kharia 42.47
18 Ami 43.09
19 Han 43.88
20 Ulchi 44.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.5% Clovis + 9.5% Kusunda @ 2.28
2 93.3% Clovis + 6.7% Cambodian @ 2.32
3 91.9% Clovis + 8.1% Sherpa @ 2.44
4 90.7% Clovis + 9.3% Altaian @ 2.54
5 91.1% Clovis + 8.9% Kyrgyz @ 2.59
6 98.3% Clovis + 1.7% Onge @ 2.65
7 93.9% Clovis + 6.1% Kalmyk @ 2.65
8 95.6% Clovis + 4.4% Tibetan @ 2.66
9 89.6% Pima + 10.4% GoyetQ116 @ 2.68
10 98.6% Clovis + 1.4% Andamanese @ 2.71
11 98.6% Clovis + 1.4% Australian @ 2.71
12 98.6% Clovis + 1.4% Papuan @ 2.71
13 98.6% Clovis + 1.4% Hungarian_KO1 @ 2.73
14 98.6% Clovis + 1.4% WHG @ 2.73
15 96.6% Clovis + 3.4% Mongola @ 2.79
16 96.9% Clovis + 3.1% Ami @ 2.79
17 97.1% Clovis + 2.9% Han @ 2.82
18 97.9% Clovis + 2.1% GoyetQ116 @ 2.84
19 98.7% Clovis + 1.3% Motala12 @ 2.85
20 98.7% Clovis + 1.3% SHG @ 2.86


Slightly Euro admixed Amerindians

Mayan
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 57.77
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.09
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 10.78
4 Natufian 8.57
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.43
6 Sub_Saharan 1.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kyrgyz 11.78
2 Clovis 12.05
3 Uygur 13.62
4 Hazara 14
5 Pima 14.36
6 Altaian 14.64
7 Kusunda 22.67
8 Uzbek 24.1
9 Sherpa 24.26
10 Kalmyk 24.72
11 Eskimo 27.5
12 Cambodian 31.17
13 Turkmen 34.02
14 Nganasan 37.02
15 Tibetan 37.56
16 Mongola 40.61
17 Kharia 43.94
18 Ami 44.78
19 Han 45.47
20 Ulchi 45.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.3% Pima + 14.7% Europe_EN @ 1.97
2 85.4% Pima + 14.6% Anatolia_N @ 2.05
3 64.5% Eskimo + 35.5% Steppe_IA @ 2.15
4 87.7% Kyrgyz + 12.3% EHG @ 2.46
5 84.6% Pima + 15.4% Sardinian @ 2.49
6 85.3% Altaian + 14.7% EHG @ 3.59
7 83.8% Pima + 16.2% Spanish @ 3.7
8 70.7% Eskimo + 29.3% Steppe_MLBA @ 3.74
9 63.3% Nganasan + 36.7% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.97
10 83.6% Pima + 16.4% Albanian @ 3.97
11 84.3% Pima + 15.7% Basque @ 4.02
12 83.6% Pima + 16.4% Jew_Ashkenazi @ 4.02
13 83.7% Pima + 16.3% Sicilian @ 4.04
14 84% Pima + 16% Jew_Libyan @ 4.09
15 70% Eskimo + 30% Steppe_EMBA @ 4.13
16 83.6% Pima + 16.4% Greek @ 4.17
17 83.9% Pima + 16.1% Italian_South @ 4.21
18 83.3% Pima + 16.7% Bulgarian @ 4.25
19 84% Pima + 16% Jew_Moroccan @ 4.26
20 83.4% Pima + 16.6% Romanian @ 4.26

Peruvian 1
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 55.59
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.34
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 16.07
4 Natufian 7.02
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.98

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kyrgyz 14.68
2 Clovis 14.74
3 Uygur 15.7
4 Hazara 16.09
5 Altaian 17.04
6 Pima 17.73
7 Uzbek 24.2
8 Kusunda 24.36
9 Sherpa 26.68
10 Kalmyk 27.04
11 Eskimo 30.7
12 Cambodian 32.9
13 Turkmen 33.87
14 Nganasan 39.31
15 Tibetan 39.59
16 Mongola 42.81
17 Kharia 43.21
18 Ami 46.92
19 Steppe_IA 47.42
20 Han 47.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.7% Altaian + 21.3% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 1.5
2 70% Kalmyk + 30% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 1.78
3 56.6% Ami + 43.4% Steppe_EMBA @ 2.67
4 56.2% Han + 43.8% Steppe_EMBA @ 2.82
5 60.9% Nganasan + 39.1% Steppe_EMBA @ 2.91
6 56.1% Ulchi + 43.9% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.12
7 67.1% Eskimo + 32.9% Steppe_MLBA @ 3.21
8 55.3% Dai + 44.7% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.24
9 58.9% Mongola + 41.1% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.78
10 60.8% Tibetan + 39.2% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.81
11 54.7% Nganasan + 45.3% Steppe_IA @ 3.92
12 65.6% Eskimo + 34.4% Finnish @ 4.04
13 65.2% Eskimo + 34.8% Russian @ 4.09
14 59.5% Mongola + 40.5% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 4.1
15 80.3% Pima + 19.7% Basque @ 4.15
16 67.7% Eskimo + 32.3% Estonian @ 4.17
17 68.3% Eskimo + 31.7% Lithuanian @ 4.46
18 68.4% Eskimo + 31.6% Europe_LNBA @ 4.46
19 69.6% Kalmyk + 30.4% Steppe_EMBA @ 4.49
20 81.8% Kyrgyz + 18.2% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 4.55

Peruvian 2
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 51.84
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.61
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 15.92
4 Natufian 7.84
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.13
6 Sub_Saharan 1.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uygur 13.97
2 Hazara 14.41
3 Clovis 15.91
4 Kyrgyz 17.61
5 Pima 20.15
6 Altaian 20.52
7 Uzbek 21.13
8 Kusunda 26.1
9 Sherpa 29.53
10 Kalmyk 30.61
11 Turkmen 30.67
12 Eskimo 34.1
13 Cambodian 35.92
14 Kharia 41.48
15 Nganasan 42.99
16 Tibetan 43.13
17 Steppe_IA 43.82
18 Bengali 46.32
19 Mongola 46.46
20 Tajik 47.49

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.2% Ami + 46.8% Steppe_EMBA @ 2.69
2 74.5% Altaian + 25.5% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 2.8
3 77.2% Pima + 22.8% Basque @ 2.84
4 52.8% Han + 47.2% Steppe_EMBA @ 2.96
5 57.2% Tibetan + 42.8% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.12
6 57.2% Nganasan + 42.8% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.22
7 52.7% Ulchi + 47.3% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.37
8 52% Dai + 48% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.48
9 77.5% Kyrgyz + 22.5% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 3.7
10 76.8% Pima + 23.2% Spanish @ 3.73
11 63.5% Eskimo + 36.5% Steppe_MLBA @ 3.75
12 66.2% Kalmyk + 33.8% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 3.76
13 76.5% Pima + 23.5% French @ 3.8
14 55.3% Mongola + 44.7% Steppe_EMBA @ 3.83
15 76.1% Pima + 23.9% Scottish @ 3.83
16 76.3% Pima + 23.7% English @ 3.85
17 73.6% Pima + 26.4% Finnish @ 3.88
18 76.2% Pima + 23.8% Icelandic @ 3.92
19 76.1% Pima + 23.9% Czech @ 3.98
20 75.9% Pima + 24.1% Hungarian @ 4.01

[Maguzanci]

Bump.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes, some Amerindians and Indo-Mestizos actually look closer to South Asians rather than East Asians.

[Maguzanci]

Yes, some Amerindians and Indo-Mestizos actually look closer to South Asians rather than East Asians.

As in phenotypes or genetics wise?

In terms of genetics, the closest population to Amerindians besides Latin Americans are Central Asians who are West and Eastern Eurasian intermediates rather than actually East Asians aka Mongoloids.

[Antimage]

Makes perfect sense they're not genetically mongoloid because well, they don't look like they're mongoloids. Afaik southern american natives can also have polynesian admixture,polynesians reached southern america and settled there or so I heard.

[Maguzanci]

Makes perfect sense they're not genetically mongoloid because well, they don't look like they're mongoloids. Afaik southern american natives can also have polynesian admixture,polynesians reached southern america and settled there or so I heard.

Definitely. They can be described as Eurasian or half Eastern Non-African at best. I disagree with those who considered them Mongoloid when they crossed to the Americas much earlier than the formation of modern day East Asian aka Mongoloids.

Yes there might also be Polynesian admix in South America although it is very negligible and insignificant in terms of admix

[Maguzanci]

I will post results of Central Asians to compared with Amerindians

[JMack]

Nice thread. Good anthropology contribution instead of the usual blabbering about who's lighter.

Which percentage is the best for the Amerindians West Eurasian ancestry? 25% or 50%?

[Maguzanci]

Nice thread. Good anthropology contribution instead of the usual blabbering about who's lighter.

Which percentage is the best for the Amerindians West Eurasian ancestry? 25% or 50%?

Well it actually varies. Karitiana , Surui who are Amazonian tribes are 100% Amerindian and they are around 25-30% West Eurasian. On the other hand, other Native Americans such as Mayans, Peruvians can be around 35-50% West Eurasian as they often have slight Euro admixture although they are still predominantly Native genetic wise (something like 78-85% Amerindian).

This PCA gives a good idea of where Amerindians would cluster in terms of Eurasian global context

https://postimg.org/delete/cqxvlknhs/ (I can't put it in the image format for some reason)

[Tooting Carmen]

I meant phenotype-wise, some Amerindians and especially Indo-Mestizos look more South Asian than East Asian.

[zarzian]

I dont think anyone suggested that Amerindians are Mongoloid, instead they harbour ~50%+ Han like ancestry, which makes them half mongoloid descended, the other half is the ANE Mammoth hunters, and as they made their way through the Berring straight, they picked up minor Siberian/Eskimo.

[Maguzanci]

I dont think anyone suggested that Amerindians are Mongoloid, instead they harbour ~50%+ Han like ancestry, which makes them half mongoloid descended, the other half is the ANE Mammoth hunters, and as they made their way through the Berring straight, they picked up minor Siberian/Eskimo.

Well maybe not anyone here but there are many people elsewhere including other forums who considered Amerindians as an extension of Mongoloid race.

Why does it have to be 50% Han-like ancestry? Why can't it be 50% Ainu or 50% Siberian-like?

Also are there any Amerinds that are more ANE than Eastern Asian-related?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Native americans are predominantly east eurasian and then they score some north eurasian after that.

[Maguzanci]

Native americans are predominantly east eurasian and then they score some north eurasian after that.

That is incorrect. Native Americans are only 50% East Eurasian-related at most. You are ignoring the very significant Ancient North Eurasian/Mal'ta-related ancestry that they have.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

That is incorrect. Native Americans are only 50% East Eurasian-related at most. You are ignoring the very significant Ancient North Eurasian/Mal'ta-related ancestry that they have.

Wrong they arent. They are predominantly east eurasian and then some north eurasian

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Clovis predominantly east eurasianhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/aced5bf31576ac27294ee84f6965a223.jpg

[zhaoyun]

Native Americans are very diverse. Racially, the North American types seem to be similar to Central Asians, Kazakhs in particular. But obviously their roots are far more ancient. They had crossed into the Americas before I think there were definitive Caucasoid and Mongoloid races, though they probably have retained more Mongoloid influence. They also evolved independently in the Americas as well.

[Maguzanci]

Wrong they arent. They are predominantly east eurasian and then some north eurasian

Nope. They are 50% East Eurasian and 50% ANE. You are heavily underestimating the north eurasian ancestry of Amerindians.

[Milionki]

Clovis predominantly east eurasianhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/aced5bf31576ac27294ee84f6965a223.jpg

what is that subsaharan? noise?

[Maguzanci]

Clovis predominantly east eurasianhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/aced5bf31576ac27294ee84f6965a223.jpg

Lol Clovis is only 60 East Eurasian-related according to that Gedrosia K6 (unless you are including 6% Ancient South Eurasian which would be 66%). Still 60-66% East Eurasian-related is major but still not predominant.

But Clovis also have around 33% West Eurasian and 1% Sub Saharan according to the result.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Lol Clovis is only 60 East Eurasian-related according to that Gedrosia K6 (unless you are including 6% Ancient South Eurasian which would be 66%). Still 60-66% East Eurasian-related is major but still not predominant.

But Clovis also have around 33% West Eurasian and 1% Sub Saharan according to the result.
Hello 60 percent is more than half and more than twice north eurasian. Its basically 2 /3 of their dna smh

Stop trying to white wash native dna... you dont call afro americans white for being 1/3rd white do you?

[Milionki]

Lol Clovis is only 60 East Eurasian-related according to that Gedrosia K6 (unless you are including 6% Ancient South Eurasian which would be 66%). Still 60-66% East Eurasian-related is major but still not predominant.

But Clovis also have around 33% West Eurasian and 1% Sub Saharan according to the result.
thats exactly what I read native americans were 1/3 West Eurasian in origin. do you think that subsaharan is real?

[Maguzanci]

Hello 60 percent is more than half and more than twice north eurasian. Its basically 2 /3 of their dna smh

Stop trying to white wash native dna... you dont call afro americans white gor being 1/3rd white do you?

Not whitewashing, just going by the latest research and various genetic enthusiasts in many forums statedregarding Native Americans. Btw Ancient North Eurasian or Mal'ta Boy are said to be very dark skinned and look rather ambiguous racially than "white/euro"-looking.

Well Afro Americans are clearly mixed race.

[Maguzanci]

thats exactly what I read native americans were 1/3 West Eurasian in origin. do you think that subsaharan is real?

Definitely. Native American shared a significant ancestry with West Eurasians. Pure natives can be around 25-30% West Eurasian while others can be 36-50% West Eurasian-related.

The Sub Saharan can be either noise or might just show some archaic ancestry IMO.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Not whitewashing, just going by the latest research and various genetic enthusiasts in many forums statedregarding Native Americans.

Well Afro Americans are clearly mixed race.
And afro american is predominantly african like natives are predominantly east eurasian. Like clovis

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Definitely. Native American shared a significant ancestry with West Eurasians. Pure natives can be around 25-30% West Eurasian while others can be 36-50% West Eurasian-related.

The Sub Saharan can be either noise or might just show some archaic ancestry IMO.
Show a pure native sample thats 50 percent west eurasian . You wont . And north eurasian isnt west eurasian... goodluck finding one thats west eurasian even by more than 20 percent

[Maguzanci]

Show a pure native sample thats 50 percent west eurasian . You wont . And north eurasian isnt west eurasian... goodluck finding one thats west eurasian even by more than 20 percent

Oh, sorry for being unclear. I did specifically stated in other posts that pure Natives can be around 25-30% West Eurasian. If Ancient North Eurasian isn't West Eurasian or West Eurasian-related why are West Eurasian-related pops like Europeans, MENAs scoring significantly in the component in Gedrosia K6?

You see to ignore the fact that Clovis is more than 20% West Eurasian.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Oh, sorry for being unclear. I did specifically stated in other posts that pure Natives can be around 25-30% West Eurasian. If Ancient North Eurasian isn't West Eurasian or West Eurasian-related why are West Eurasian-related pops like Europeans, MENAs scoring significantly in the component in Gedrosia K6?

You see to ignore the fact that Clovis is more than 20% West Eurasian.

North eurasian isnt west eurasianhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/5ed2a62a08c3d9624106d13689236b1b.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Sounds like a horseshit of nonsense. I really don't like these new scientific discoveries and theories because it gives people more delusional theories than they have now.

On the autosomal DNA it shows many Amerindian groups with 0% European admixture while other Amerindians groups only have a minority of European admixture. I haven't seen one Native American/Amerindian that look like a Eurasian. I've only seen many Amerindian with pseudo-caucasian features like Taiwanese aborigines and that's it. They are Amerindian Mongoloids and this what everyone thinks in the past hundred years.

https://forwhattheywereweare.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/21fe3-caribbean-fig1.jpg?w=640&h=480

[Antimage]

I meant phenotype-wise, some Amerindians and especially Indo-Mestizos look more South Asian than East Asian.

however zhaoyun was asked by native americans which tribe he belonged to at a native american festival in usa

[Carlito's Way]

I consider Native Americans part of the Mongoloid race, they are proto-mongoloid
and Native Americans are similar to Southeast Asians than any Central Asian population in terms of phenotypes
while Central Asians look like heavily mix looking East Asians

[Demon Revival]

Nope. They are 50% East Eurasian and 50% ANE. You are heavily underestimating the north eurasian ancestry of Amerindians.

I thought the maximum ANE were the Karitana, whom only have around 40%.

[zhaoyun]

however zhaoyun was asked by native americans which tribe he belonged to at a native american festival in usa

Native Americans, if they were to be classified, would definitely fall within the Mongoloid spectrum for the most part. They do look unique however, but there is quite a bit of overlapping with other Mongoloid groups in Siberia, and even some groups in SE Asia. I've seen a lot of Native Americans because I've been to a great deal of reservations, in California, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho and Florida.

BTW, it was natural that when I was in Montana, some people might assume I'm Native American because let's be fucking real, when is the last time a muscular tanned 6'2 Chinese guy dressed as a redneck with a ball cap and jeans with a high bridged nose and square ass jaws rolled up into town?

[Demon Revival]

Amerindians are quite strongly East Eurasian I'd say. ANE itself is pretty Eastern shifted in spite of being present in most of West Asia and Europe.

The fun thing is that this component is thoroughly lacking in Mongolians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc... Becoming present only as you approach the Urals.

Most Central Asians like Kazakhs and such aren't entirely similar to Amerindians. They feature Near Eastern Farmer and WHG stuff Amerindians lack.

[Maguzanci]

I consider Native Americans part of the Mongoloid race, they are proto-mongoloid
and Native Americans are similar to Southeast Asians than any Central Asian population in terms of phenotypes
while Central Asians look like heavily mix looking East Asians

Well it is lot more accurate to call them Eurasian than Mongoloid especially In terms of genetic perspective

Well many Natives can look similar to Central Asians in my opinion. Some pseudo overlap in looks with a few Southeast Asians are rather from tropical climate and environmental adaptation in my opinion than actual genetic relatedness

[Ranger0075]

Ok, I'll do a dumb question.

So why native americans (South American ones) look so similar to SE asians than to Siberian/Central asian ones?

[Maguzanci]

I thought the maximum ANE were the Karitana, whom only have around 40%.

Well I think the ANE can actually varies from 40-50% based on what I read.

[Maguzanci]

Ok, I'll do a dumb question.

So why native americans (South American ones) look so similar to SE asians than to Siberian/Central asian ones?

Most of them don't look similar to Southeast Asians at all except some Amazonian tribes if you are familiar with the look of both Natives and SE Asians. Also just because there is a few pseudo overlap between some Natives and some SE Asians doesn't mean they are genetically close to one another. The pseudo overlap might be due to the climatic adaptation of both groups and the fact that both pops shared minor Oceanian ancestry.

[Ranger0075]

Most of them don't look similar to Southeast Asians at all except some Amazonian tribes if you are familiar with the look of both Natives and SE Asians. Also just because there is a few pseudo overlap between some Natives and some SE Asians doesn't mean they are genetically close to one another. The pseudo overlap might be due to the climatic adaptation of both groups and the fact that both pops shared minor Oceanian ancestry.

I guess it must be a similar situation among Negritos and Sub-Saharan Africans
They look similar (For non-expert eyes ofc)... but they are not genetically close to another one.

[Maguzanci]

Amerindians are quite strongly East Eurasian I'd say. ANE itself is pretty Eastern shifted in spite of being present in most of West Asia and Europe.

The fun thing is that this component is thoroughly lacking in Mongolians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc... Becoming present only as you approach the Urals.

Most Central Asians like Kazakhs and such aren't entirely similar to Amerindians. They feature Near Eastern Farmer and WHG stuff Amerindians lack.

Well Amerindians are actually more like 50+ Eastern Eurasian related combined with very significant ANE ancestry. ANE has minor Eastern affinity I believe.

Well they are similar to Amerindians in terms of the amounts of Eastern Eurasian and West Eurasian percentages they have. Also Native Americans usually get Central Asians like Uzbeks, Uyghurs as closest in terms of distance sharing after their own and Latinos in most calculators.

[ButlerKing]

Well Amerindians are actually more like 50+ Eastern Eurasian related combined with very significant ANE ancestry. ANE has minor Eastern affinity I believe.

Well they are similar to Amerindians in terms of the amounts of Eastern Eurasian and West Eurasian percentages they have. Also Native Americans usually get Central Asians like Uzbeks, Uyghurs as closest in terms of distance sharing after their own and Latinos in most calculators.

This ANE ancestry is still controversial. The west eurasian ancestry in Amerindian is not the same as west eurasians, it's confusing enough just calling it west Eurasian. I don't even now why all of sudden someone gave this ANE shit to everyone.

ANE is actually highest in Siberian Mongoloid groups like Kets, Selkups who speak Uralic languages (although these two are mixed with Russians ) the ANE is even higher than Russians. ANE is also higher the Caucasus regions, they aren't related with the ancient Indo-Europeans speakers of Central Asia that Turkic Speakers mixed with.

ANE in Chinese, Japanese, Southeast Asians also in low percentages however it's even higher than a few European groups and some Caucasian groups from the middle east.

Anyway, it doesn't matter though. If this ANE shit is really western Eurasian than it's basically saying most Mongoloids are not pure.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tKgMr5w_FIs/VfWL_Dk0d0I/AAAAAAAADb4/x67i8I5mWNw/s1600/ANE_K8.png

[Demon Revival]

Well Amerindians are actually more like 50+ Eastern Eurasian related combined with very significant ANE ancestry. ANE has minor Eastern affinity I believe.

Well they are similar to Amerindians in terms of the amounts of Eastern Eurasian and West Eurasian percentages they have. Also Native Americans usually get Central Asians like Uzbeks, Uyghurs as closest in terms of distance sharing after their own and Latinos in most calculators.

This is more like an arbitrary positioning due to a similar distance. As I mentioned Central Asia features Gedrosian and Near Eastern (as well as small amounts of WHG) stuff which Amerindians thoroughly lack.

Also, Kazakh's ANE is inferior to that of Iranians and thus is only half around Amerindians have. The 60% Han-chinese like admixture matches but the entirety/generality of Central Asian's West Asian admix is of very different nature than that of Amerindians.

http://s30.postimg.org/71p58yob5/ANE.png

This becomes more evident because not all Central Asians are the same. A Turkmen would be basically an Iranian/persian with higher East Asian admix, and thus not even the East Asian fits with Amerindians. Kazakhs/kyrgyz would be the closer proxies and even then not exact, because the West Eurasian components feature lots of Near Eastern as well as Gedrosian stuff.

In other calculators this becomes even more obvious:
http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p507326/Gedrosian_admixture.gif

Look at the rampant Gedrosian admixture in Central Asia, near peak levels.

[zhaoyun]

Ok, I'll do a dumb question.

So why native americans (South American ones) look so similar to SE asians than to Siberian/Central asian ones?

Most plain Indians look more similar to Siberians. I think the ones in Central Asia and the tropical areas of South America look more similar to SE Asians.

This is a typical look I came across in the Plains states:

She is from Canada, she could pass in Siberia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1sT44x4BXw&t=63s

There is much less overlap between East Asians and Native Americans, but there is some. I saw some Natives who were pale skinned and could pass for East Asian. And I have seen Chinese people who could pass for Silvids. But the overlap is much smaller. Native Americans who could pass for Asian primarily look Siberian or SE Asian.

[ButlerKing]

Most plain Indians look more similar to Siberians. I think the ones in Central Asia and the tropical areas of South America look more similar to SE Asians.

This is a typical look I came across in the Plains states:

She is from Canada, she could pass in Siberia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1sT44x4BXw&t=63s

There is much less overlap between East Asians and Native Americans, but there is some. I saw some Natives who were pale skinned and could pass for East Asian. And I have seen Chinese people who could pass for Silvids. But the overlap is much smaller. Native Americans who could pass for Asian primarily look Siberian or SE Asian.


You must be making fake experience. They generally cannot pass for Siberian or SE Asian because they are proto-mongoloids with lots of pseudo-caucasian traits on their appearance. Some also just have pseudo-resemblence to Siberian, SE Asian.

Here is what a 100% DNA Amerindian Native Americans look like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Slb4bhRc8

[KuakoVoice]

You must be making fake experience. They generally cannot pass for Siberian or SE Asian because they are proto-mongoloids with lots of pseudo-caucasian traits on their appearance. Some also just have pseudo-resemblence to Siberian, SE Asian.

Here is what a 100% DNA Amerindian Native Americans look like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Slb4bhRc8

How in the blue fuck is his youtube video he actually linked,which you just watched with your own two eyes,a "fake experience"?

[Demon Revival]

You must be making fake experience. They generally cannot pass for Siberian or SE Asian because they are proto-mongoloids with lots of pseudo-caucasian traits on their appearance. Some also just have pseudo-resemblence to Siberian, SE Asian.

Here is what a 100% DNA Amerindian Native Americans look like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Slb4bhRc8

Proto-Mongoloid implies Mongoloids somehow spawned from Native Americans. This is very wrong in too many levels. So, proto-mongoloids went to the America, developed, then created Mongoloids who went back to Asia?

Amerindians are essentially Siberians with extra admixture. In quite significant levels. People are also downplaying East Asian genetic diversity a lot.

Anything from a Melanesian and possibly Papuans by extension, to Austronesians, Ainus, Han Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, etc... can be considered a "East Asian" supercluster that of course is far bigger than that of West Eurasia.

Central Asians are not the same as Native Americans despite they may appear to be so. This is the case only because Central Asians posses both more Eastern and Western genes which somehow land them at a similar position, but this doesn't mean they're the same.

Central Asia was never the source of any population but more of a crossroad of all the peoples around it. The way they are now can be explained due to the succession of various steppe groups across the millenia which can even be found in certain history books. Very different than the prehistoric origins of American Indians.

The America was a completely isolated landmass stretching from pole to pole, whereas Central Asia has been highway for all surrounding regions.

[ButlerKing]

How in the blue fuck is his youtube video he actually linked,which you just watched with your own two eyes,a "fake experience"?

Because a lot of people tend to give out fake experiences. If i'm not mistaken Zhaoyun as one of those Mongoloid morons who try to claim that the Asians were natives to America and they were indigenous Americans.

Here is MissTelaTequila and her nonsense. She's not the only ones you can read these crap from those idiots who make these claims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLUxVLG4Yvg

[zhaoyun]

You must be making fake experience. They generally cannot pass for Siberian or SE Asian because they are proto-mongoloids with lots of pseudo-caucasian traits on their appearance. Some also just have pseudo-resemblence to Siberian, SE Asian.

Here is what a 100% DNA Amerindian Native Americans look like


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Slb4bhRc8

Can you read moron? I said Amerindians who OVERLAP with Asians, typically do so with Siberians or SE Asians. Amerindians have many different phenotypes, many pass for Amerindian looking Latinos like the one you posted.

[ButlerKing]

Proto-Mongoloid implies Mongoloids somehow spawned from Native Americans. This is very wrong in too many levels. So, proto-mongoloids went to the America, developed, then created Mongoloids who went back to Asia?

Amerindians are essentially Siberians with extra admixture. In quite significant levels. People are also downplaying East Asian genetic diversity a lot.

Anything from a Melanesian and possibly Papuans by extension, to Austronesians, Ainus, Han Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, etc... can be considered a "East Asian" supercluster that of course is far bigger than that of West Eurasia.

Central Asians are not the same as Native Americans despite they may appear to be so. This is the case only because Central Asians posses both more Eastern and Western genes which somehow land them at a similar position, but this doesn't mean they're the same.

Central Asia was never the source of any population but more of a crossroad of all the peoples around it. The way they are now can be explained due to the succession of various steppe groups across the millenia which can even be found in certain history books. Very different than the prehistoric origins of American Indians.

The America was a completely isolated landmass stretching from pole to pole, whereas Central Asia has been highway for all surrounding regions.

Neo-Mongoloids which Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Mongolians and modern say Siberians evolved from Proto-Mongoloids. The proto-Mongoloids existed in Asia, those who stay in Asia evolved from the ice age and those who who migrated or America's became Amerindians. The Ainu and Taiwan aborigines are also proto-Mongoloids who didn't get change under the ice age.

No they are not essentially Siberians because the diverged from Siberians 11,000+ years ago. Modern day Siberians are neo-Mongoloids while Amerindians are proto-Mongoloid.

One can also say Gypsies are essentially Europeans with extra admixture


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XACstNqIapQ

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Proto-Mongoloid implies Mongoloids somehow spawned from Native Americans. This is very wrong in too many levels. So, proto-mongoloids went to the America, developed, then created Mongoloids who went back to Asia?

Amerindians are essentially Siberians with extra admixture. In quite significant levels. People are also downplaying East Asian genetic diversity a lot.

Anything from a Melanesian and possibly Papuans by extension, to Austronesians, Ainus, Han Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, etc... can be considered a "East Asian" supercluster that of course is far bigger than that of West Eurasia.



Technically inuits are that but most natives arent. Alaskan natives are also part of that. Many of them are just aluetians that got moved to alaska from world war 2.

[ButlerKing]

Can you read moron? I said Amerindians who OVERLAP with Asians, typically do so with Siberians or SE Asians. Amerindians have many different phenotypes, many pass for Amerindian looking Latinos like the one you posted.

What kind of Siberians are we talking about ? the video of the women you posted don't look like any Siberian or Southeast Asians I've ever seen.
Show me these Amerindians you claim that overlap with Siberian/Southeast Asian . Don't use Canadian Indians like Eskimo, Inuits ect as example because they most recent migrants from Siberia to Canada dating back.

And here are what Plain Indian tribes look like. The last one on the right can sort of overlap with Asians but you can tell that prominent jaw and shape of his face is not those of Asians.
http://www.franksrealm.com/Kuvia/Tribes_taulu.gif

[zhaoyun]

What kind of Siberians are we talking about ? the video of the women you posted don't look like any Siberian or Southeast Asians I've ever seen.
Show me these Amerindians you claim that overlap with Siberian/Southeast Asian . Don't use Canadian Indians like Eskimo, Inuits ect as example because they most recent migrants from Siberia to Canada dating back.

And here are what Plain Indian tribes look like. The last one on the right can sort of overlap with Asians but you can tell that prominent jaw and shape of his face is not those of Asians.
http://www.franksrealm.com/Kuvia/Tribes_taulu.gif

You fucking moron. I've actually been to South Dakota and Montana, I was living in a reservation for a week. I've been around more REAL LIFE Native Americans than you've probably ever even seen in your life.

Some of those Silvids you posted can pass in parts of Siberia, Western China, absolutely. But most won't. Like I said, Amerindians have a unique look of their own, and they vary greatly between groups. But there is a substantial minority that does overlap with various groups of Mongoloid Asians, the percentage varies depending on the group.

[ButlerKing]

You fucking moron. I've actually been to South Dakota and Montana, I was living in a reservation for a week. I've been around more REAL LIFE Native Americans than you've probably ever even seen in your life.

Some of those Silvids you posted can pass in parts of Siberia, Western China, absolutely. But most won't. Like I said, Amerindians have a unique look of their own, and they vary greatly between groups. But there is a substantial minority that does overlap with various groups of Mongoloid Asians, the percentage varies depending on the group.

Apparently you've been to many places but only you yourself know so I'm really don't know how much truth or lies you're spreading. I know a lot of Mongoloids tend to lie a lot to spread their agenda. I've seen some who want to claim relationships with them.

Where is your evidence that you were around " REAL LIFE " Native Americans ?

[Myanthropologies]

Well Amerindians are actually more like 50+ Eastern Eurasian related combined with very significant ANE ancestry. ANE has minor Eastern affinity I believe.

Well they are similar to Amerindians in terms of the amounts of Eastern Eurasian and West Eurasian percentages they have. Also Native Americans usually get Central Asians like Uzbeks, Uyghurs as closest in terms of distance sharing after their own and Latinos in most calculators.

I didn't even see a single Uzbek or Central Asian in your calculators. They scored closer to Russians and Ukrainians before Uzbeks.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Apparently you've been to many places but only you yourself know so I'm really don't know how much truth or lies you're spreading. You Mongoloids tend to lie a lot to spread your agenda.

Where is your evidence that you were around " REAL LIFE " Native Americans ?

Hes a pretty sane dude. He doesnt really post agendas. Or post about how certain people look. He really doesnt care. But maybes done a few times becauses he had some phillpino troll once. I think hes pretty honest. What he said is not really crazy.
But I think most natives do look asian influenced. Sometimes you can dress up eastern asian in native clothes you would think they are native. when i saw jackie chan in a movie that dressed up like one I thought he looked native

[StonyArabia]

How the hell the ended up being brown?

[zhaoyun]

Apparently you've been to many places but only you yourself know so I'm really don't know how much truth or lies you're spreading. I know a lot of Mongoloids tend to lie a lot to spread their agenda. I've seen some who want to claim relationships with them.

Where is your evidence that you were around " REAL LIFE " Native Americans ?

I posted photos on this site of my trip to Pine Ridge Reservation, you dumbfuck. You are a loser who lives in a little room, what would you know.

[ButlerKing]

I posted photos on this site of my trip to Pine Ridge Reservation, you dumbfuck. You are a loser who lives in a little room, what would you know.

So what's stopping you from posting the pictures this thread ? you instead posted a video.
Stop your bullshit already and show us the pictures.

[zhaoyun]

So what's stopping you from posting the pictures this thread ? you instead posted a video.
Stop your bullshit already and show us the pictures.

Members here have already seen them. I don't need to prove shit to you.

[ButlerKing]

Members here have already seen them. I don't need to prove shit to you.

Show it to me so that I can believe you.

[zhaoyun]

Show it to me so that I can believe you.

Fuck off. I don't give a fuck what you think. You're just a weird, shady troll.

[Maguzanci]

This is more like an arbitrary positioning due to a similar distance.

Can you explain more on this arbitrary positioning thing? Is the similar distance due to the amounts of West Eurasian and Eastern Eurasian both have?


As I mentioned Central Asia features Gedrosian and Near Eastern (as well as small amounts of WHG) stuff which Amerindians thoroughly lack.

Yes I already take note of that.


Also, Kazakh's ANE is inferior to that of Iranians and thus is only half around Amerindians have. The 60% Han-chinese like admixture matches but the entirety/generality of Central Asian's West Asian admix is of very different nature than that of Amerindians.

http://s30.postimg.org/71p58yob5/ANE.png

Yes regarding Kazakh's ANE. Amerindians are more like 50% Eastern Eurasian-related admixture rather than 60% based what I read.

I have a really curious question. Why are Han Chinese always used as a proxy for the Eastern Eurasian-related ancestry of Native Americans? Is it because Han Chinese are 100% Eastern Eurasian genetic wise?

Indeed, the West Asian admix is very different than those of Amerindians.


This becomes more evident because not all Central Asians are the same. A Turkmen would be basically an Iranian/persian with higher East Asian admix, and thus not even the East Asian fits with Amerindians. Kazakhs/kyrgyz would be the closer proxies and even then not exact, because the West Eurasian components feature lots of Near Eastern as well as Gedrosian stuff.

Yes Central Asians actually varied in terms of admixture proportions. Well maybe not Turkmen, but what about Uzbeks or Uyghurs? I think you are right regarding the Kazakh and Kyrgyz being closer proxies. What do you make of this graph then? Is it just showing Amerindians near Central and South Asia due to their Eastern and West Eurasian proportions in regarding to Eurasian global context?

https://dnaexplained.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/botocudo-not-admixed.png


In other calculators this becomes even more obvious:
http://b2.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p507326/Gedrosian_admixture.gif

Look at the rampant Gedrosian admixture in Central Asia, near peak levels.

Yup.

[Maguzanci]

Proto-Mongoloid implies Mongoloids somehow spawned from Native Americans. This is very wrong in too many levels. So, proto-mongoloids went to the America, developed, then created Mongoloids who went back to Asia?

Amerindians are essentially Siberians with extra admixture. In quite significant levels. People are also downplaying East Asian genetic diversity a lot.

Anything from a Melanesian and possibly Papuans by extension, to Austronesians, Ainus, Han Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians, etc... can be considered a "East Asian" supercluster that of course is far bigger than that of West Eurasia.

So Amerindians are essentially Siberians with significant ANE or West Eurasian-related admixture?

Can you explained why Papuans are only possibly by extension in terms of East Asian-ness? Do you consider Central Asians to belong in the super "East Asian" cluster?


Central Asians are not the same as Native Americans despite they may appear to be so. This is the case only because Central Asians posses both more Eastern and Western genes which somehow land them at a similar position, but this doesn't mean they're the same.

Yes they are sort of similar in terms of where they plot thanks to having both Eastern and Western admixtures. You are right.

A very similar analogy I guess is how a quadroon would plot near many North Africans like Mozabites due to similar amounts of West Eurasian and SSA admixture. Or how a Mulatto would plot close to Ethiopians in a Eurasian-African genetic context thanks to similar amounts of SSA and West Eurasian admixture.


Central Asia was never the source of any population but more of a crossroad of all the peoples around it. The way they are now can be explained due to the succession of various steppe groups across the millenia which can even be found in certain history books. Very different than the prehistoric origins of American Indians.

The America was a completely isolated landmass stretching from pole to pole, whereas Central Asia has been highway for all surrounding regions.

Indeed. Looks like it is just coincidental how they somehow end up plotting close to one another in PCA in terms of Eurasian genetic context.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

So Amerindians are essentially Siberians with significant ANE or West Eurasian-related admixture?

Can you explained why Papuans are only possibly by extension in terms of East Asian-ness? Do you consider Central Asians to belong in the super "East Asian" cluster?



Yes they are sort of similar in terms of where they plot thanks to having both Eastern and Western admixtures. You are right.

A very similar analogy I guess is how a quadroon would plot near many North Africans like Mozabites due to similar amounts of West Eurasian and SSA admixture. Or how a Mulatto would plot close to Ethiopians in a Eurasian-African genetic context thanks to similar amounts of SSA and West Eurasian admixture.



Indeed. Looks like it is just coincidental how they somehow end up plotting close to one another in PCA in terms of Eurasian genetic context.

Give it up... natives arent heavily west eurasian

[Maguzanci]

Give it up... natives arent heavily west eurasian

Never. Read and cry: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Never. Read and cry: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/
Thats nothing. I proved you with an actually ged match sample. You have to prove with real evidence. Post a native sample with more than 20 percent west eruasian. You wont because there isnt any from a pure native. Natives are predominantly east eurasian then ane. West eurasian is minor.

[Demon Revival]

Give it up... natives arent heavily west eurasian

This isn't wrong. Their East Eurasian ancestry is just bigger.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

This isn't wrong. Their East Eurasian ancestry is just bigger.
Their west eurasian is only like 11-14 percent from what i see. Show it where its at least over 20 . But idealy 30 percent. Ane is not west eurasian.

[Maguzanci]

Thats nothing. I proved you with an actually ged match sample. You have to prove with real evidence. Post a native sample with more than 20 percent west eruasian. You wont because there isnt any from a pure native. Natives are predominantly east eurasian then ane. West eurasian is minor.

Alright. You are so persistent.

Kennewick Man (using Eurasia K9 ASI)


Eurasia K9 ASI
Kennewick Man

Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SE_Asian 31.79
2 Siberian_E_Asian 19.18
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 17.27
4 Ancestral_South_Indian 13.95
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 10.66
6 WHG 7.16

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Uygur 25.95
2 Kyrgyz 26.79
3 Hazara 28.01
4 Uzbek 30.15
5 Altaian 31.73
6 Ust_Ishim 32.44
7 Turkmen_Afghan 34.72
8 Turkmen 35.29
9 RISE_irRus 35.45
10 Sherpa 35.7
11 Hazara_Afghan 36.7
12 Kusunda 37.04
13 RISE_irAltai 41.18
14 Mongola 41.6
15 Tatars 42.01
16 Tibet-refugees 42.01
17 RISE_baKarasuk 43.1
18 Papuan 43.36
19 Uzbek_Afghan 43.69
20 Kharia 44.03


17% Early Neolithic+11% Eastern Hunter Gatherer+7% WHG= 35% West Eurasian combined. This is already more than 20% that you repeated.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Alright. You are so persistent.

Kennewick Man (using Eurasia K9 ASI)


Eurasia K9 ASI
Kennewick Man Kit M458581

Admix Results (sorted):
#PopulationPercent
1SE_Asian31.79
2Siberian_E_Asian19.18
3Early_Neolithic_Farmers17.27
4Ancestral_South_Indian13.95
5Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer10.66
6WHG7.16

Single Population Sharing:
#Population (source)Distance
1Uygur25.95
2Kyrgyz26.79
3Hazara28.01
4Uzbek30.15
5Altaian31.73
6Ust_Ishim32.44
7Turkmen_Afghan34.72
8Turkmen35.29
9RISE_irRus35.45
10Sherpa35.7
11Hazara_Afghan36.7
12Kusunda37.04
13RISE_irAltai41.18
14Mongola41.6
15Tatars42.01
16Tibet-refugees42.01
17RISE_baKarasuk43.1
18Papuan43.36
19Uzbek_Afghan43.69
20Kharia44.03


17% Early Neolithic+11% Eastern Hunter Gatherer+7% WHG= 35% West Eurasian combined. This is already more than 20% that you repeated.
Using eurasia k 6 kennewick man
Your number is not kennewick man

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/d5d0beb64b21a97d1336437e6ab1839b.jpg

[Maguzanci]

Using eurasia k 6 kennewick man
Your number is not kennewick man

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/d5d0beb64b21a97d1336437e6ab1839b.jpg

What the hell is wrong with using Eurasia K9 ASI? It gives good percentages of Eastern and Western components as those of Gedrosia K6.

Got that kit number from an upload by another poster. Fine, here is the actual kit number of Kennewick Man using Eurasia K9 ASI.



Kit F999970

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SIBERIAN 42.02
2 EAST_EURO 20.32
3 EAST_ASIAN 19.63
4 SOUTH_ASIAN 6.56
5 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.78
6 SOUTH_BALTIC 3.51
7 WEST_AFRICAN 2.1
8 ATLANTIC 2.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 KZ 17.22
2 Selkup 27.82
3 Chukchi 39.58
4 Koryak 43.31
5 Komi 44.26
6 Udmurt 44.77
7 Erzya 52.87
8 East_Finnish 53.73
9 East_Russian 53.74
10 North_Russian 54.61
11 South_Finnish 56.45
12 West_Russian 59.6
13 North_Swedish 59.77
14 Ukrainian-Russian 59.89
15 HU 60.17
16 Serbian 60.31
17 RO 60.48
18 Burusho 60.67
19 UA 61.28
20 AT 61.37

[Demon Revival]

Their west eurasian is only like 11-14 percent from what i see.

It's around 30-40% if compred to Mal'ta (ANE).



Show it where its at least over 20 . But idealy 30 percent. Ane is not west eurasian.

Depends of from which perspective you see it. It was not exactly West Eurasian but closer to it than to East Eurasians. Otherwise you'd have to admit most Europeans and West Asians are significantly "East Eursian" too:
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/blankmapeuropeatxsmp35d2.png

Also..
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-science-native-american-people-migration-siberia-genetics/

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome.




"This study changes this idea because it shows that a significant minority of Native American ancestry actually derives not from East Asia but from a people related to present-day western Eurasians," Willerslev said.

"It's approximately one-third of the genome, and that is a lot," he added. "So in that regard I think it's changing quite a bit of the history."

While the land bridge still formed the gateway to America, the study now portrays Native Americans as a group derived from the meeting of two different populations, one ancestral to East Asians and the other related to western Eurasians, explained Willerslev, whose research was published in the November 20 edition of the journal Nature.

"The meeting of those two groups is what formed Native Americans as we know them." (Learn more about National Geographic's Genographic Project.)




"It's not like you can say that they are really closely related to Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans, so there seems to be something missing. But this result makes a lot of sense regarding why they don't fit so well genetically with contemporary East Asians—because one-third of their genome is derived from another population."

The findings could also allow reinterpretation of archaeological and anthropological evidence, like the famed Kennewick Man, whose remains don't look much like modern-day Native American or East Asian populations, according to some interpretations.

"Maybe, if he looks like something else, it's because a third of his ancestry isn't coming from East Asia but from something like the western Eurasians." (Read about history's great migration mysteries.)

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

What the hell is wrong with using Eurasia K9 ASI? It gives good percentage as Gedrosia K6.

Got that kit number from an upload by another poster. Ok fine, here is the actual kit number of Kennewick Man using Eurasia K9 ASI.



Kit F999970

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1SIBERIAN42.02
2EAST_EURO20.32
3EAST_ASIAN19.63
4SOUTH_ASIAN6.56
5NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO3.78
6SOUTH_BALTIC3.51
7WEST_AFRICAN2.1
8ATLANTIC2.09

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1KZ17.22
2Selkup27.82
3Chukchi39.58
4Koryak43.31
5Komi44.26
6Udmurt44.77
7Erzya52.87
8East_Finnish53.73
9East_Russian53.74
10North_Russian54.61
11South_Finnish56.45
12West_Russian59.6
13North_Swedish59.77
14Ukrainian-Russian59.89
15HU60.17
16Serbian60.31
17RO60.48
18Burusho60.67
19UA61.28
20AT61.37

Thats not even eurasia k9 asi. Asi uses ehg . Ehg similar to ANE so the calculator is mixing them and this calculator isnt meant for dividing Ane east eurasian and west eurasian good. Its for Ancestral south asian Indian components specifically. EHG is close to lappids from What read and uralic but I am still trying to find more info.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/59ceb2b0663571267c7b7793fb2f0dc1.jpg

[Demon Revival]

This image fits with what is said and the margins of error:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/d5d0beb64b21a97d1336437e6ab1839b.jpg

Ancestral North Eurasian: 20% + WHG = 12% + Smaller non-Eastern components = 6%. That'd be 38%/40% non-East Asian.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

This image fits with what is said and the margins of error:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/d5d0beb64b21a97d1336437e6ab1839b.jpg

Ancestral North Eurasian: 20% + WHG = 12% + Smaller non-Eastern components = 6%. That'd be 38%/40% non-East Asian.
ANE isnt west eurasian. They are mostly east eurasian and then ane. West eurasian is minor

[Demon Revival]

ANE isnt west eurasian. They are mostly east eurasian and then ane. West eurasian is minor

Ane is more West Eurasian by default, since by peaks it's far higher in Europe and Northern Middle East than it is either in Japan, China or Vietnam.

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/blankmapeuropeatxsmp35d2.png

If this is "mostly East Eurasian" then most of Europe is at least 17% "mostly East Eurasian"? That would make most of them almost Asian quadroons.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Ane is more West Eurasian by default, since by peaks it's far higher in Europe and Northern Middle East than it is either in Japan, China or Vietnam.

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/blankmapeuropeatxsmp35d2.png

If this is "mostly East Eurasian" then most of Europe is at least 17% "mostly East Eurasian"? That would make most of them almost Asian quadroons.
Ane is low in most places. ANE was a seperate non west eurasian component. It peaks highest in siberian natives. Not europeans.

[Demon Revival]

Ane is low in most places. ANE was a seperate non west eurasian component. It peaks highest in siberian natives. Not europeans.

17% is by no means low if it's supposed to be a component from the other side of the world. That's almost 1/5th of the whole ancestry. Look, I do not care if Europeans are part Asian, or if Amerindians are part European, the thing is this component "ANE" accounts for the differences of Native Americans and East Asians like Japanese, Chinese, etc... If I recall correctly this peaks in Native Americans (karitana), not Modern Siberians.

The ones following it are some groups from Afghanistan, Iran and Caucasus. None of them could be considered mostly East Eurasian by any definition.

ANE is literally zero in Southeast Asia like Vietnam, Thailand, etc... as well as Japan, Korea and China. If this truly was a far eastern component one would think it would be present there too. But on the other hand it's higher in Italy than even there. This would not make any sense if this component truly originated from East Asia.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

17% is by no means low if it's supposed to be a component from the other side of the world. That's almost 1/5th of the whole ancestry. Look, I do not care if Europeans are part Asian, or if Amerindians are part European, the thing is this component "ANE" accounts for the differences of Native Americans and East Asians like Japanese, Chinese, etc... If I recall correctly this peaks in Native Americans (karitana), not Modern Siberians.

The ones following it are some groups from Afghanistan, Iran and Caucasus. None of them could be considered mostly East Eurasian by any definition.
Its not west eurasian. Its a seperate component. It doesnt make it west eurasian. It predates european

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tKgMr5w_FIs/VfWL_Dk0d0I/AAAAAAAADb4/x67i8I5mWNw/s1600/ANE_K8.png
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/ff0a96400757225a883cf2718dac216b.jpg

[Demon Revival]

Its not west eurasian. Its a seperate component. It doesnt make it west eurasian. It predates european
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/ff0a96400757225a883cf2718dac216b.jpg

All components which make europeans "predate" europeans. Including WHG and ENF too.

So, Europeans are part non-West Eurasian it is.

By the way, the map you just posted has the Caucasus and Pamir mountains in the same bright red as is the peripheral Ural area. This means this component is just as high in those region, which are not East Asians.

http://puu.sh/wHyW8/3e2961897d.jpg

Compare to China: it fits entirely with what I'm saying:
http://puu.sh/wHyXI/a6b1880680.jpg

Japanese and Chinese have less ANE than even Spaniards and French peoples.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

All components which make europeans "predate" europeans. Including WHG and ENF too.
Those are west eurasian. Ane isnt.

[Maguzanci]

Thats not even eurasia k9 asi. Asi uses ehg . Ehg similar to ANE so the calculator is mixing them and this calculator isnt meant for diving Ane east eurasian and west eurasian good. Its for Ancestral south asian components specifically. EHG is close to lappids from What read and uralic but I am still trying to find more info.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170712/59ceb2b0663571267c7b7793fb2f0dc1.jpg

Sorry my bad, I mixed the calculators up. Here is the correct version (supposed to be) of Eurasia K9 ASI of Kennewick Man now.


Kit F999970

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian_E_Asian 30.94
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 25.72
3 SE_Asian 25.4
4 WHG 8.65
5 Ancestral_South_Indian 3.69
6 W_African 3.36
7 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 2.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_irRus 16.24
2 Altaian 22.42
3 Kyrgyz 22.97
4 RISE_irAltai 25.54
5 RISE_baKarasuk 25.59
6 Uygur 28.3
7 Hazara 30.14
8 Uzbek 31.56
9 Turkmen_Afghan 36.04
10 Turkmen 38.19
11 Hazara_Afghan 39.1
12 Tatars 40.09
13 Scythian_IA 42.16
14 RISE_baMezh 43.62
15 Ulchi 44.17
16 Sherpa 45.41
17 Mongola 45.86
18 Ust_Ishim 45.96
19 Uzbek_Afghan 47.42
20 Tajik_Afghan 47.92


Fair enough about this Eurasia calculator.

[Demon Revival]

Those are west eurasian. Ane isnt.

Then Europeans and Northern Middle Easterners are not totally West Eurasian it is.

ANE is still closer to West Eurasian, than it is to Eastern Components. And it certainly doesn't originate in the far East considering the distribution.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

No ones saying asians have high ane. Its siberians that have it. And altaic peoples most.

Im saying natives are east eurasian and then ane. West eurasian is small in natives. Conversely europeans are basically west eurasian. East asians are full east eurasian. But natives have more east eurasian ancestry than even Ane. But second they have ane.

[Demon Revival]

No ones saying asians have high ane. Its siberians that have it. And altaic peoples most.

Im saying natives are east eurasian and then ane. West eurasian is small in natives. Conversely europeans are basically west eurasian. East asians are full east eurasian. But natives have more east eurasian ancestry than even Ane. But second they have ane.

The ones that have the most are Kets, which surprise, speak a Na-Dene language which is related to Navajo. Altaic people have lower ANE than Pamirs, North Caucasians, etc. Altaic regions and Mongolia have the same level of ANE as Germany or Sweden.

Thing is, if ANE is not West Eurasian then most Europe and and Northern Middle Easterns are at least 20% not western.

All of this is going by your own map BTW, so you can not say I am cherry picking the sources.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

The ones that have the most are Kets, which surprise, speak a Na-Dene language which is related to Navajo. Altaic people have lower ANE than Pamirs, North Caucasians, etc. Altaic regions and Mongolia have the same level of ANE as Germany or Sweden.

Thing is, if ANE is not West Eurasian then most Europe and and Northern Middle Easterns are at least 20% not western.

K, Ill check on it later I want to rest for now.

[Maguzanci]

Predominantly Amerindians with some Euro admix using Gedrosia K6

Mayan
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 57.77
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.09
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 10.78
4 Natufian 8.57
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.43
6 Sub_Saharan 1.36

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kyrgyz 11.78
2 Clovis 12.05
3 Uygur 13.62
4 Hazara 14
5 Pima 14.36
6 Altaian 14.64
7 Kusunda 22.67
8 Uzbek 24.1
9 Sherpa 24.26
10 Kalmyk 24.72
11 Eskimo 27.5
12 Cambodian 31.17
13 Turkmen 34.02
14 Nganasan 37.02
15 Tibetan 37.56
16 Mongola 40.61
17 Kharia 43.94
18 Ami 44.78
19 Han 45.47
20 Ulchi 45.68

Peruvian 1
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 55.59
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.34
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 16.07
4 Natufian 7.02
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.98

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kyrgyz 14.68
2 Clovis 14.74
3 Uygur 15.7
4 Hazara 16.09
5 Altaian 17.04
6 Pima 17.73
7 Uzbek 24.2
8 Kusunda 24.36
9 Sherpa 26.68
10 Kalmyk 27.04
11 Eskimo 30.7
12 Cambodian 32.9
13 Turkmen 33.87
14 Nganasan 39.31
15 Tibetan 39.59
16 Mongola 42.81
17 Kharia 43.21
18 Ami 46.92
19 Steppe_IA 47.42
20 Han 47.65

Peruvian 2
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 51.84
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.61
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 15.92
4 Natufian 7.84
5 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 3.13
6 Sub_Saharan 1.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uygur 13.97
2 Hazara 14.41
3 Clovis 15.91
4 Kyrgyz 17.61
5 Pima 20.15
6 Altaian 20.52
7 Uzbek 21.13
8 Kusunda 26.1
9 Sherpa 29.53
10 Kalmyk 30.61
11 Turkmen 30.67
12 Eskimo 34.1
13 Cambodian 35.92
14 Kharia 41.48
15 Nganasan 42.99
16 Tibetan 43.13
17 Steppe_IA 43.82
18 Bengali 46.32
19 Mongola 46.46
20 Tajik 47.49


They are around 40-45% Non Eastern Eurasian-related according to this Gedrosia K6.

[Maguzanci]

The ones that have the most are Kets, which surprise, speak a Na-Dene language which is related to Navajo. Altaic people have lower ANE than Pamirs, North Caucasians, etc. Altaic regions and Mongolia have the same level of ANE as Germany or Sweden.

Thing is, if ANE is not West Eurasian then most Europe and and Northern Middle Easterns are at least 20% not western.

All of this is going by your own map BTW, so you can not say I am cherry picking the sources.

Definitely agree with all of your post.

Off topic, what would be your responses to my replies to you in the previous posts?

[ButlerKing]

"It's not like you can say that they are really closely related to Japanese, Chinese, or Koreans, so there seems to be something missing. But this result makes a lot of sense regarding why they don't fit so well genetically with contemporary East Asians—because one-third of their genome is derived from another population."

Geneticist tend to talk a lot of exaggerated bullshit. Yeah they aren't like them Asians but how are they can anyone claim they are 1/3 related with west Eurasian. Even the highest European admixture I calculated is only 21-24% on one Amerindian group on average while most of them have little to none.

They say one third of the DNA is related with Europeans but in every autosomal DNA chart I never see 1/3

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3aLrvHWHsc4/U4mmtVb_kdI/AAAAAAAAAf4/FKtD7TjKC-s/s1600/Slide3.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Ane is more West Eurasian by default, since by peaks it's far higher in Europe and Northern Middle East than it is either in Japan, China or Vietnam.

http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/blankmapeuropeatxsmp35d2.png

If this is "mostly East Eurasian" then most of Europe is at least 17% "mostly East Eurasian"? That would make most of them almost Asian quadroons.

Or maybe the ANE in Europe and East Asia are of different types ?

[ButlerKing]

The ones that have the most are Kets, which surprise, speak a Na-Dene language which is related to Navajo. Altaic people have lower ANE than Pamirs, North Caucasians, etc. Altaic regions and Mongolia have the same level of ANE as Germany or Sweden.

Thing is, if ANE is not West Eurasian then most Europe and and Northern Middle Easterns are at least 20% not western.

All of this is going by your own map BTW, so you can not say I am cherry picking the sources.

If ANE is not eastern Eurasian than means pure Mongoloids don't even exist anymore. Maybe the ANE that Europe and East Asian have are of different variations.

ANE is non-existant in Sardinians of Italy.

[Antimage]

Or maybe the ANE in Europe and East Asia are of different types ?

There is hardly any ANE in "East Asia"
http://i.imgur.com/cnYjAMY.jpg

[ButlerKing]

There is hardly any ANE in "East Asia"
http://i.imgur.com/cnYjAMY.jpg

I wouldn't say hardly. 7-9% is quite significant enough. 2.31% for a population of 1.3 billion of China and 1.93% for a population 130 million is quite a lot. It clearly shows most Mongoloid groups have ANE admixture. And among Southeast Asians Burmese have 5.98% aswell and other Southeast Asians also have it higher than East Asians.

The fact that ANE is non-existant in most North Africans and parts of Italy and extremely low in Jews, Berbers shows it's not necessarily stricly a western Eurasian DNA component. If it was strictly a western eurasian DNA than it should exist in all Caucasian ethnic groups.

[Demon Revival]

I wouldn't say hardly. 7-9% is quite significant enough. 2.31% for a population of 1.3 billion of China and 1.93% for a population 130 million is quite a lot. It clearly shows most Mongoloid groups have ANE admixture. And among Southeast Asians Burmese have 5.98% aswell and other Southeast Asians also have it higher than East Asians.

The fact that ANE is non-existant in most North Africans and parts of Italy and extremely low in Jews, Berbers shows it's not necessarily stricly a western Eurasian DNA component. If it was strictly a western eurasian DNA than it should exist in all Caucasian ethnic groups.

Then if it was ASIAN then it should peak more in groups like Han Chinese or Japanese but on the other hand they don't even have 1/4 of what Spaniards and Italians have (and those are one of the lowest ANEs in Europe).

2% Ane is shit regardless if the population is eleven billions or 500,000. General population numbers don't matter. Increasing the population level does not mean you will suddenly see 20% ANE people in China.

Most mongoloids do not have ANE over 3% but all Caucasian groups that matter and aren't nig influenced have it at least at 10%.

Think it like this: All Mongoloid groups who have significant ANE (Certain Siberians, Turkics, Mongolians, Tungus) have been in the steppe crossroads where more Western Groups have inhabited as well. This is why you can see 7% in Daurs (who are a mongolic people) and Manchus (tungusic) but not in Han Chinese or Koreans.

And this level increases even more with Uyghurs, Kazakhs. By the time you reach the Caucasus, Pamirs, and Urals it becomes almost as sky-high as the Native Americans.

[Demon Revival]

Geneticist tend to talk a lot of exaggerated bullshit. Yeah they aren't like them Asians but how are they can anyone claim they are 1/3 related with west Eurasian. Even the highest European admixture I calculated is only 21-24% on one Amerindian group on average while most of them have little to none.

They say one third of the DNA is related with Europeans but in every autosomal DNA chart I never see 1/3

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-3aLrvHWHsc4/U4mmtVb_kdI/AAAAAAAAAf4/FKtD7TjKC-s/s1600/Slide3.jpg

This is because you're using an outdated paper from 10 years ago when this Mal'ta finding had not been discovered and nerd genetics were on its baby steps. And even then they show something similar to it by proxy.

[Demon Revival]

If ANE is not eastern Eurasian than means pure Mongoloids don't even exist anymore. Maybe the ANE that Europe and East Asian have are of different variations.

ANE is non-existant in Sardinians of Italy.

If ANE is not western eurasian then it means Pure Europeans/Caucasoids do not exist either. The only "caucasoid" places that don't have ANE are severely African admixed.

[ButlerKing]

Then if it was ASIAN then it should peak more in groups like Han Chinese or Japanese but on the other hand they don't even have 1/4 of what Spaniards and Italians have (and those are one of the lowest ANEs in Europe).

2% Ane is shit regardless if the population is eleven billions or 500,000. General population numbers don't matter. Increasing the population level does not mean you will suddenly see 20% ANE people in China.

Most mongoloids do not have ANE over 3% but all Caucasian groups that matter and aren't nig influenced have it at least at 10%.

Think it like this: All Mongoloid groups who have significant ANE (Certain Siberians, Turkics, Mongolians, Tungus) have been in the steppe crossroads where more Western Groups have inhabited as well. This is why you can see 7% in Daurs (who are a mongolic people) and Manchus (tungusic) but not in Han Chinese or Koreans.

And this level increases even more with Uyghurs, Kazakhs. By the time you reach the Caucasus, Pamirs, and Urals it becomes almost as sky-high as the Native Americans.

Here are the Daur people with 7.07% ANE and 18 out of 20 of the samples are clearly 0% west Eurasian admixture, only 2 have less than 0.5 - 1% west Eurasian admixture.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ppyhbm.jpg

Not all Caucasian groups. Parts of Southern Italy, Sardinians, Jews, Berbers and most North Africans have either none or less than East Asians.


I was also aware that it's quite high in Mongoloids where there is clearly Caucasian admixed. But I also noticed ANE is quite high among the Yakuts where pure Mongoloid DNA reaches 100% aswell

http://i66.tinypic.com/2vsglmo.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg

[Demon Revival]

A) You're still using data from a decade ago
B) All of Southern Italy has 8% Ane
C) All North Africans are lacking it (except Egyptians) but on the other hand they have severe SSA admixture
D) Jews have around 12% ANE, which is around the level of Bulgarians
E) Yakuts are in no way pure mongoloids. Your graph shows them as so because they were the "sample group". No Turkic group is 100% mongoloid, not even Tungus people who are further east are. Yakut areas were heavily inhabited by Sakas in the Bronze age, as much as they still call themselves Sakkas.

Yakuts aren't originally from deep Siberia but migrated from Southern Places of West China, which was home to Tocharian and Yuezhi groups before the Gökturks

[ButlerKing]

This is because you're using an outdated paper from 10 years ago when this Mal'ta finding had not been discovered and nerd genetics were on its baby steps. And even then they show something similar to it by proxy.

How outdated? I looked at the every latest/newest autosomal DNA studies and I still don't see one single study where European admixture ever reaches more than 1/4 for any Amerindian group

I mean there also are refutes that claims Mal'ta is ancestors of Amerindians. Some article claim he is the ancestors of Native American because he was the contributor of R1b to Native American but they also they he isn't their ancestor because his mtDNA wasn't X. Also it confuses the heck out of me, they said that Mal'ta boy is not related east Asians but also claimed Mongoloid features have been acknowledged in Mal'ta boy. They also said he lived in a region where it was inhabited by people of Mongoloid features. What the heck is all of this suppose to mean ?

[ButlerKing]

If ANE is not western eurasian then it means Pure Europeans/Caucasoids do not exist either. The only "caucasoid" places that don't have ANE are severely African admixed.


Or maybe like I said, the ANE types found in Europe and Asia belong to different variations.

[Demon Revival]

How outdated? I looked at the every latest/newest autosomal DNA studies and I still don't see one single study where European admixture ever reaches more than 1/4 for any Amerindian group

Ten years outdated.

ANE + other non-East Asian components reach around 40% in all Amerindians except by Inuits who have it a bit lower. You were posting maps from fuckin' 2007 to argue. It's 2017 now. Lots of new discoveries have been made.



I mean there also are refutes that claims Mal'ta is ancestors of Amerindians. Some article claim he is the ancestors of Native American because he was the contributor of R1b to Native American but they also they he isn't their ancestor because his mtDNA wasn't X. Also it confuses the heck out of me, they said that Mal'ta boy is not related east Asians but also claimed Mongoloid features have been acknowledged in Mal'ta boy. They also said he lived in a region where it was inhabited by people of Mongoloid features. What the heck is all of this suppose to mean ?

Mal'ta or something related to it was indeed ancestral to Amerindians, and also Pamirs, Caucasians, Urals and earlier steppe groups. y-dna and mtdna are only a tiny fraction of autosomals. And individuals with different haplogroups can share similar autosomals.

Mal'ta was said to be dark skinned in comparison to modern populations in the region but never was said to be specifically Mongoloid. It is more eastern shifted than all other western components but still closer to them than to East Asian ones.

[ButlerKing]

A) You're still using data from a decade ago
B) All of Southern Italy has 8% Ane
C) All North Africans are lacking it (except Egyptians) but on the other hand they have severe SSA admixture
D) Jews have around 12% ANE, which is around the level of Bulgarians
E) Yakuts are in no way pure mongoloids. Your graph shows them as so because they were the "sample group". No Turkic group is 100% mongoloid, not even Tungus people who are further east are. Yakut areas were heavily inhabited by Sakas in the Bronze age, as much as they still call themselves Sakkas.

Yakuts aren't originally from deep Siberia but migrated from Southern Places of West China, which was home to Tocharian and Yuezhi groups before the Gökturks


A) Okay, so what if it's decade ago. t's not like there's anything new in the autosomal DNA charts.
B) Not all Italy, the provincial parts of Southern Italy ( that parts I circle bolded in red ) and Sardinians have 0% of it
C) All North Africans are lacking and Egyptians have 2% which is less than even the 1.3 billion Han Chinese who have it at 2.31%.
Does this change the North Africans are Caucasoids and their DNA is over 77% West Eurasian but yet still show 0% of ANE admixture ?
D) Yakuts in most studies shows 0% western Eurasian admixture with 100% Mongoloid groups.


The Yakuts in study shows some minority individuals with Blue lines which suggest recent admixture but most are still pure

http://i48.tinypic.com/14y4i0.png
http://i50.tinypic.com/2inluu.jpg

[ButlerKing]

http://i67.tinypic.com/10426pc.png

[ButlerKing]

Ten years outdated.

ANE + other non-East Asian components reach around 40% in all Amerindians except by Inuits who have it a bit lower. You were posting maps from fuckin' 2007 to argue. It's 2017 now. Lots of new discoveries have been made.



Mal'ta or something related to it was indeed ancestral to Amerindians, and also Pamirs, Caucasians, Urals and earlier steppe groups. y-dna and mtdna are only a tiny fraction of autosomals. And individuals with different haplogroups can share similar autosomals.

Mal'ta was said to be dark skinned in comparison to modern populations in the region but never was said to be specifically Mongoloid. It is more eastern shifted than all other western components but still closer to them than to East Asian ones.

It makes garbage sense to me

Archaeological evidence

Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Mal'ta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was "inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance".[4] Raghavan et al. (2014) and Fu et al. (2016) found that Mal'ta–Buret had brown eyes, dark hair and dark skin.[1][5]

I mean I'm guessing the boy looks Mongoloid

[Demon Revival]

Research published in 2016 suggests that a Mal'ta like people were important genetic contributors to Native Americans, Europeans, Central and South Asians, and minor contribution to East Eurasians.[8] Lazaridis et al (2016) notes "a cline of ANE ancestry across the east–west extent of Eurasia."[8] Mal'ta had a type of R* y-dna that diverged before the hg R1 and R2 split and an unresolved clade of haplogroup U mtdna.[9] Between 14 and 38 percent of Native American ancestry may originate from gene flow from the Mal'ta Buret people, while the other geneflow in Native Americans appears to have an Eastern Eurasian origin.[1] Sequencing of another south-central Siberian (Afontova Gora-2) dating to approximately 17,000 years ago, revealed similar autosomal genetic signatures as Mal'ta boy-1, suggesting that the region was continuously occupied by humans throughout the Last Glacial Maximum.[1]
Ancient North Eurasians (ANE)

The term "Ancient North Eurasian" (ANE) is the name given in genetic literature to an ancestral component that represents descent from the people of the Mal'ta–Buret' culture or a population closely related to them.[3] The genetic component ANE descends from Ancient South Eurasian.[10][note 1]

According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] Additionally it has been reported in ancient Bronze-age-steppe Yamnaya and Afanasevo cultures.[2]

Genomic study also indicates that the Yamnaya migration from steppes introduced "Ancient North Eurasian" admixture into Europe.[2][3] "Ancient North Eurasian" genetic component is visible in tests of the Yamnaya people, which makes up 50% of their ancestry.[2][3] It is also reported in modern-day Europeans (5%-18% ANE admixture), but not of Europeans predating the Bronze Age.[2][3]

Seems like you dudes are right. It seems it's like Europeans have Amerindian-like admixture instead, and not only that but that Amerindian-like people bought the current Indo European languages to both India and Europe. Native Americans be the True Asian Aryans yo.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Ok so you are right about the some central

I've come to the conclusion that Yes Europeans have ANE because ANE is a old component. Its also present in South asians relatively high like in gurajitis who are not European. So there fore its not a west Eurasian component but a co existing component with west Eurasian as it is lacking in North africans and spanish people.
La brana sample

https://s18.postimg.org/jjww1l6vt/bandicam_2017-07-12_14-32-27-947.jpg

LBK

https://s10.postimg.org/7ve495akp/bandicam_2017-07-12_14-35-13-413.jpg

Loschbour sample

https://s3.postimg.org/womokfo77/bandicam_2017-07-12_14-39-54-081.jpg

Matola 12

https://s23.postimg.org/rnb9yn2mj/bandicam_2017-07-12_14-41-06-888.jpg

BR2 1110-1270 cal BC Hungary

https://s3.postimg.org/bakmetkoz/bandicam_2017-07-12_14-43-26-130.jpg

Rise 98 sweden

https://s14.postimg.org/ojcqu6s1t/bandicam_2017-07-12_14-47-37-539.jpg

Rise 493 sabinka russia !! Still more East Eurasian then West Eurasian.
https://s2.postimg.org/ddt8af561/bandicam_2017-07-12_15-06-11-844.jpg

and just for fun lets do Kostenki
http://www.kunstkamera.ru/images/g/09_15.jpg
https://s14.postimg.org/87z1kvjgx/bandicam_2017-07-12_15-01-04-731.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y121/fi1/prehistoric/possibly_Kostenki.jpg

[Demon Revival]

Ok so you are right about the some central

I've come to the conclusion that Yes Europeans have ANE because ANE is a old component. Its also present in South asians relatively high like in gurajitis who are not European. So there fore its not a west Eurasian component but a co existing component with west Eurasian as it is lacking in North africans and spanish people.
La brana sample


ANE was lacking in all Europeans (except perhaps in very far corners in the Urals and Volga) before the Bronze age (5000 years BC). Modern Spaniards are 8% ANE now.

I am not sure how ANE even influences in actual physical looks though. Yamnaya peoples were said to be quite light but still with darker skin than modern Europeans descending from them. It is worth noting that the Europeans with more ancestry of the Yamnaya culture today are some of the blondest and lightest:


The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA study conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al.(2014), Mathieson et al. (2015) : they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[24][5] Despite their pastoral lifestyle, there was little evidence of lactase persistence.[25]


Autosomal tests also indicate that the Yamnaya are the most likely vector for "Ancient North Eurasian" admixture into Europe.[2] "Ancient North Eurasian" is the name given in literature to a genetic component that represents descent from the people of the Mal'ta-Buret' culture[2] or a population closely related to them. That genetic component is visible in tests of the Yamna people[2] as well as modern-day Europeans, but not of Europeans predating the Bronze Age.[28]
Eastern Europe and Finland
Per Haak et al. (2015), in the modern populations of Eastern Europe the Yamnaya contribution range from 46.8-64.9% among Russians to 42.8% in Ukrainians. Finland has one the highest Yamnaya contribution in all of Europe (50.4-67.8%)[29].

http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/library/Nesturh/pics/foto_112.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/11/10/2988297800000578-3119310-image-m-6_1434016715367.jpg

Yamnaya is 50% ANE + 50% other components (mostly western).

Basically the most modern known population in "recent" times with the highest number of ANE was actually located quite West. Far closer to Germany than to Korea:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--37BQewFQfc/VaVddVB1rWI/AAAAAAAAI28/dUDbQSRNa0I/s640/ss_yamnaya_map.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Ok so you are right about the some central

I've come to the conclusion that Yes Europeans have ANE because ANE is a old component. Its also present in South asians relatively high like in gurajitis who are not European. So there fore its not a west Eurasian component but a co existing component with west Eurasian as it is lacking in North africans and spanish people.


I also noticed how high ANE are in South Asians.

It's also just 3% in Saudi Arabians who are genetically 85% West Eurasian. That's even less than the Burmese Mongoloids who have ANE at 6% (or more accurately 5.98% ) The Basque are also 6% ANE.

Personally I don't get this ANE rubbish. It just makes more confusing than they are already.

[ButlerKing]

Seems like you dudes are right. It seems it's like Europeans have Amerindian-like admixture instead, and not only that but that Amerindian-like people bought the current Indo European languages to both India and Europe. Native Americans be the True Asian Aryans yo.

According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] Additionally it has been reported in ancient Bronze-age-steppe Yamnaya and Afanasevo cultures.[2]

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg



In this study the Yakuts have 9% West Eurasian admixture even the Ngannasans are not pure although is puny shit like 1-2% But still ANE is a lot higher in Ngannasans than Yakuts.

You mean to tell me the Amerindian DNA here are really from Mongoloid Ma'lta boy?

The 4 Amerindians groups here are heavy admix with recent Europeans but these group are all well known for being heavily mixed to begin with unlike the others groups who have a identify of being pure Amerindians.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Oa3bBts6e3M/Ur6VH_81tpI/AAAAAAAAAUI/JGoPs1UmWyA/s1600/Lazaridis2014_EDF3_K6.png

[Demon Revival]

We are talking strictly about pure Native Americans here. Also, this population (associated with the spread of Indo European languages in Central Asia and Europe in the Bronze age) had higher ANE % than all modern amerindians (50% vs 38%):
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--37BQewFQfc/VaVddVB1rWI/AAAAAAAAI28/dUDbQSRNa0I/s640/ss_yamnaya_map.jpg

[GiCa]

If you look at Bolivians or Peruvians well their face clearly show an East Asian morphology; this is innegable; thought with evolved different features due to climate differentiation-adaption

To me thy are clearly an ancient but diverging for evolution East Asian typology

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Sunghir boy russia
Id like to see test on his ANE

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/29/a0/8b/29a08b000c9eb2733baa17b89f60b9fa--moscow-russia-africa.jpg
http://donsmaps.com/images8/sunghirboy2.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/%D0%AE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B0_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%BF %D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE% D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D 0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0 %B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B 9_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%A 1%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8C..jpg/220px-%D0%AE%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B0_%D0%B8%D0%B7_%D0%BF %D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%BF%D0%BE% D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D 0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0 %B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B 9_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%A 1%D1%83%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8C..jpg

http://www.iabrno.cz/agalerie/gravet27.jpg

Sunghir gravettian woman

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/df/1c/9e/df1c9ec51e7dc54d7e76ad0267142dab--stone-age-prehistory.jpg

[ButlerKing]

ANE was lacking in all Europeans (except perhaps in very far corners in the Urals and Volga) before the Bronze age (5000 years BC). Modern Spaniards are 8% ANE now.

I am not sure how ANE even influences in actual physical looks though. Yamnaya peoples were said to be quite light but still with darker skin than modern Europeans descending from them. It is worth noting that the Europeans with more ancestry of the Yamnaya culture today are some of the blondest and lightest:

Per Haak et al. (2015), in the modern populations of Eastern Europe the Yamnaya contribution range from 46.8-64.9% among Russians to 42.8% in Ukrainians. Finland has one the highest Yamnaya contribution in all of Europe (50.4-67.8%)[29].

Yamnaya is 50% ANE + 50% other components (mostly western).



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--37BQewFQfc/VaVddVB1rWI/AAAAAAAAI28/dUDbQSRNa0I/s640/ss_yamnaya_map.jpg

Yamnaya Physical characteristics[edit]

" The genetic basis of a number of physical features of the Yamnaya people were ascertained by the ancient DNA study conducted by Haak et al. (2015), Wilde et al.(2014), Mathieson et al. (2015) : they were genetically tall (phenotypic height is determined by both genetics and environmental factors), overwhelmingly dark-eyed (brown), dark-haired and had a skin colour that was moderately light, though somewhat darker than that of the average modern European.[24][5] Despite their pastoral lifestyle, there was little evidence of lactase persistence.[25] "



Don't know how the hell are Finns so blonde with blue eyes if these Yamnaya had overwhelmingly dark eyed, dark haired.

I don't know maybe the ANE is suppose to be a mixture of Mongoloid with Europoid, maybe the Yamnaya is supposed to be something like Gennady Goklokin who's part Russian, Part Korean (with some admixture ) but look extremely Europoid regardless

http://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/images/gennady-golovkin-3.jpg

[Demon Revival]

If you look at Bolivians or Peruvians well their face clearly show an East Asian morphology; this is innegable; thought with evolved different features due to climate differentiation-adaption

To me thy are clearly an ancient but diverging for evolution East Asian typology

Only 60% of them is East Asian ancestry. And there are the cases where the remaining non-East Asian can show a lot:
http://www.fep-photo.org/wp/wp-content/gallery/curtis-100-masterworks/a-walpi-man-1921-platinum-print-15-25x10-75-_walpiman-edit-2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eY7k4R-woO4/U6kaYJ2Ux2I/AAAAAAAAG-w/q1cpPVne5jo/s1600/3%C2%AA_Etapa_saludos_meta_4.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tuZVCi3qJ8U/hqdefault.jpg

[GiCa]

This guy gave has almost a full east asian morphology.
You are very wrong that he's europod; the only diverging thing from East Asian is the hair consistence and colours wich are more typical of Europe-Russia and not findable in pure ethnic east asians

[ButlerKing]

Only 60% of them is East Asian ancestry. And there are the cases where the remaining non-East Asian can show a lot:
http://www.fep-photo.org/wp/wp-content/gallery/curtis-100-masterworks/a-walpi-man-1921-platinum-print-15-25x10-75-_walpiman-edit-2.jpg

That face can be 100% Mongoloid for all we know.

You forgot that even Taiwan aborigines who are 100% East Asian Mongoloids with 0% of ANE can produce caucasian like faces.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2edxv5z.jpg

[GiCa]

East Asians are just an adaption to the Ice-Cap

Basically humans fully adapted to live continuously on the ice

It seems that Taiwan aborigenes didn t get the evolution adaption; they come from te same migration that populated east Asia but then the separated as their ancestors don't went on the ice like insted the overwhelming parts I Asians


The ultra Asians always remeber are Eskimos; fully adapted to ice and today still living on ice

[Demon Revival]

That face can be 100% Mongoloid for all we know.

You forgot that even Taiwan aborigines who are 100% East Asian Mongoloids with 0% of ANE can produce caucasian like faces.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2edxv5z.jpg

In his case it's due to admix with these dudes:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EGg8zOF9Gn0/U-VBH99SAyI/AAAAAAAAC6E/gob8ZK90Ym4/s1600/ainu.jpg

Ainus and similar ones are 0% ANE, and in fact more pure mongoloid than Japanese or Chinese.

Also, Taiwanese aboriginals are far from pure anyway. You know Taiwan basically was a Shang Khai Shek refugee center right? Lots of non communist chinese escaped there and made their stronghold.

[ButlerKing]

Only 60% of them is East Asian ancestry. And there are the cases where the remaining non-East Asian can show a lot:
http://www.fep-photo.org/wp/wp-content/gallery/curtis-100-masterworks/a-walpi-man-1921-platinum-print-15-25x10-75-_walpiman-edit-2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eY7k4R-woO4/U6kaYJ2Ux2I/AAAAAAAAG-w/q1cpPVne5jo/s1600/3%C2%AA_Etapa_saludos_meta_4.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tuZVCi3qJ8U/hqdefault.jpg


Pseudo-caucasian morphologies.

It seems to be many people take non-Mongoloid appearance = signs of Caucasian admixture

Taiwanese aborigines
http://i47.tinypic.com/50ijax.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/6qw2ah.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/2nunoo.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/vn1dzr.jpg

[GiCa]

Only 60% of them is East Asian ancestry. And there are the cases where the remaining non-East Asian can show a lot:
http://www.fep-photo.org/wp/wp-content/gallery/curtis-100-masterworks/a-walpi-man-1921-platinum-print-15-25x10-75-_walpiman-edit-2.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eY7k4R-woO4/U6kaYJ2Ux2I/AAAAAAAAG-w/q1cpPVne5jo/s1600/3%C2%AA_Etapa_saludos_meta_4.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tuZVCi3qJ8U/hqdefault.jpg

Clearly East Asians adapted/ing to tropical climate
Just like Indians from India are "caucasoid" adapting to tropical climate

Except the man of the first picture: clearly a Native American from the temoerared USA lands, in his case already adapting to temperated climate and converging for evolution in a look of people from similar latitudes like europeans

[ButlerKing]

In his case it's due to admix with these dudes:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EGg8zOF9Gn0/U-VBH99SAyI/AAAAAAAAC6E/gob8ZK90Ym4/s1600/ainu.jpg

Ainus and similar ones are 0% ANE, and in fact more pure mongoloid than Japanese or Chinese.

Also, Taiwanese aboriginals are far from pure anyway. You know Taiwan basically was a Shang Khai Shek refugee center right? Lots of non communist chinese escaped there and made their stronghold.

What admix ? Taiwanese aborigines all belong to the haplogroup O with none of them having D. although is true many are admixed with Chinese.

Professor of anthropology, Akazawa Takeru (赤沢威) at the International Research Center for Japanese Studies, Kyoto, said that there are Neo-Mongoloids and Paleo-Mongoloids. Akazawa said Neo-Mongoloids have "extreme Mongoloid, cold-adapted features" and they include the Chinese, Buryats, Eskimo and Chukchi. In contrast, Akazawa said Paleo-Mongoloids are less cold-adapted. He said Burmese, Filipinos, Polynesians, Jōmon and the indigenous peoples of the Americas were Paleo-Mongoloid.[46]

These natives of Taiwan are the ancestors of Polynesians.

http://i67.tinypic.com/j80cbo.jpg

[GiCa]

Fr Taiwaneses there is clearly the tropical adaption: black-brownish skin and adaption to a climate that is alway equatorial-sunny

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

What admix ? Taiwanese aborigines all belong to the haplogroup O with none of them having D. although is true many are admixed with Chinese.

Professor of anthropology, Akazawa Takeru (赤沢威) at the International Research Center for Japanese Studies, Kyoto, said that there are Neo-Mongoloids and Paleo-Mongoloids. Akazawa said Neo-Mongoloids have "extreme Mongoloid, cold-adapted features" and they include the Chinese, Buryats, Eskimo and Chukchi. In contrast, Akazawa said Paleo-Mongoloids are less cold-adapted. He said Burmese, Filipinos, Polynesians, Jōmon and the indigenous peoples of the Americas were Paleo-Mongoloid.[46]

These natives of Taiwan are the ancestors of Polynesians.

http://i67.tinypic.com/j80cbo.jpg

Ive always thought some phillpinos and south east asians look like some natives. Not all but theres similarities between some

[ButlerKing]

Fr Taiwaneses there is clearly the tropical adaption: black-brownish skin and adaption to a climate that is alway equatorial-sunny

They are tropical adapted Mongoloids. Polynesians are also tropical Mongoloids with some Melanesian admixture but are predominantly of Taiwanese aborigine genetics.

Problem with many people is they think they need look some stereotypical Asian joke face.

For many people pure Mongoloids are supposed to look like a bunch of clone faces with no diversity when in reality those types of faces cold-adapted Mongoloids. The Eskimo have the most extreme cold adapted mongoloid faces

https://yellow-face.com/images/Yellowface-logo4.jpg

Examples of what pure Asians should look like
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/sonicfanchara/images/e/eb/Funny-face-asian-kid.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150204010917
http://omgface.com/z/thats_funny_1407522236.jpg

In 1950, Carleton S. Coon et al. said that Mongoloids have faces that are adapted to the extreme cold of subarctic and arctic conditions.[68]

https://www.forksoverknives.com/wp-content/uploads/Image_from_My_Life_with_the_Eskimo.png.jpg

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Jackie chan can pass for Native american
Hes 100 percent Mongoloid East Eurasian I bet like most chinese

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lwMlpp8GIAI/maxresdefault.jpg

Jackie chan in Native costume in a movie. He is in the middle

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ed/1b/4c/ed1b4cf92320968013021f3a89bbaebd--shanghai-noon-jackie-chan.jpg

Indistinguishable 100 percent mongoloid @5:41


https://youtu.be/S5V1TINLIe4?t=5m41s

Natives in the movie likely are mixed from colonialism ect

[Maguzanci]

Only 60% of them is East Asian ancestry. And there are the cases where the remaining non-East Asian can show a lot:


It is more like 50%+ Eastern Asian-related ancestry but yeah.

[ButlerKing]

It is more like 50%+ Eastern Asian-related ancestry but yeah.

Where is the evidence that is only 50% Eastern Asian related. I don't get why people keep making up these bullshit claims.

Sooner or later they will make new claims that the Western Eurasian related-ancestry in Amerindians is a unpure and heavily mixed component that's different from true western eurasian ancestry.

[Maguzanci]

Where is the evidence that is only 50% Eastern Asian related. I don't get why people keep making up these bullshit claims.

Sooner or later they will make new claims that the Western Eurasian related-ancestry in Amerindians is a unpure and heavily mixed component that's different from true western eurasian ancestry.

I will post the sources later. But Natives are already 45-50% ANE which makes a lot of sense for the rest to be only 50% Eastern Asian-related.

[Maguzanci]

If one want to play with race, he/she can argued that Native Americans are genetically ancient "biracial" race (even in some case ancient triracial due to minor Oceanian-like ancestry in some Amerindians) thanks to having both Western and Eastern admixtures similar to how Horners, Central Asians and very likely South Asians are also "biracial" genetically speaking.

[ButlerKing]

I will post the sources later. But Natives are already 45-50% ANE which makes a lot of sense for the rest to be only 50% Eastern Asian-related.

We still don't know fully well what this ANE shit is all about. I believe ANE is a mongoloid-Europoid mixed component however the more closer to Europe the western Eurasian while the more eastern the more Eastern Eurasian.

ANE reaches highest in Ngannasans (who one of the most purest mongoloid ethnic group with 0% to almost non-admixture ). It also reaches significant in Yakuts where caucasian admixture is minor.

[ButlerKing]

If one want to play with race, he/she can argued that Native Americans are genetically ancient "biracial" race (even in some case ancient triracial due to minor Oceanian-like ancestry in some Amerindians) thanks to having both Western and Eastern admixtures similar to how Horners, Central Asians and very likely South Asians are also "biracial" genetically speaking.

Just don't get this bullshit.

" According to a 2016 study, it was found that the global maximum of ANE ancestry occurs in modern-day Kets, Mansi, Native Americans, Nganasans and Yukaghirs.[3] Additionally it has been reported in ancient Bronze-age-steppe Yamnaya and Afanasevo cultures.[2]


You say that Native Americans are biracial race because of ANE admixture but that would mean these super Asian looking as fuck Ngannasans are also biracial ?

Although genetic shows they are pure Mongoloid as a Chinese. So what is this dumb shit ANE about now ?

http://oi59.tinypic.com/mh9k5i.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2myu6u0.jpg


They even have the typical stereotypical Asian joke faces ( except for few individuals mixed with Russians )

http://www.circumarctic.com/image/data/Artists/Chunanchar/Alexei-Chunanchar-7.jpg

[Demon Revival]

We still don't know fully well what this ANE shit is all about. I believe ANE is a mongoloid-Europoid mixed component however the more closer to Europe the western Eurasian while the more eastern the more Eastern Eurasian.

ANE reaches highest in Ngannasans (who one of the most purest mongoloid ethnic group with 0% to almost non-admixture ). It also reaches significant in Yakuts where caucasian admixture is minor.

Nganasans are by no means the purest mongoloid group. Yamna people had higher ANE than Nganasans, Kets and Native Americans. North Caucasians for example have only 7-10% less ANE than Kets and Nganasans.

You are also forgetting some groups in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and North Pakistan/India have the same amount of ANE% as your self proclaimed "100% Mongoloid Kets".

http://i60.tinypic.com/vobofk.png



...
Also for Zuvaq. This is K8 Near Eastern admix map. Look at how high this component peaking in bedouins and saudis reaches in Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Turkmens and even Uyghurs:
http://i61.tinypic.com/5zll3m.png

All ranges from 17% to 33%. This alone makes them a very bad proxy for Native Americans.

[Demon Revival]

Nganasans are only half Mongoloid at best:

http://i57.tinypic.com/magoxd.png

[ButlerKing]

Nganasans are by no means the purest mongoloid group. Yamna people had higher ANE than Nganasans, Kets and Native Americans. North Caucasians for example have only 7-10% less ANE than Kets and Nganasans.

You are also forgetting some groups in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and North Pakistan/India have the same amount of ANE% as your self proclaimed "100% Mongoloid Kets".

http://i60.tinypic.com/vobofk.png


All ranges from 17% to 33%. This alone makes them a very bad proxy for Native Americans.

It's official. This ANE can't be a western eurasian components.

Is funny how this so called ANE component peaks in ethnic groups don't even have pure West Eurasian genetic structures.

So according to this map Siberians have from 16-33% ANE, Northeast Chinese 6-8% ANE Lol you mean tell me South Indians who have minor western Eurasian admixture have more ANE than all Europeans ? Even Afghanistan, Tajikistan and North Pakistan/India all have different degrees of ASI ( South Indian admixture ) except Tajiks also have some Mongoloid admixture.


The Yamnaya people have 50% ANE dna but 50% of it's non-ANE and plus there is East Eurasian admixture among them anyway.
I'm guessing the Yamnaya could be from 12.5% to 25% Mongoloid after mixing with other non-ANE groups which diluted their Mongoloid admixture.

Just because they look Europoid doesn't mean they aren't like these types of people.

3/4 White + 1/4 Japanese
http://cdn.styleblazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Chad-Michael-Murray.jpg

She is the daughter of astronaut Franklin Chang-Díaz who is 3/4 Costa Rican (mostly Spanish stock) and 1/4 Chinese. Her mother is a white American, ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Sonia-Chang-Diaz.jpg/448px-Sonia-Chang-Diaz.jpg

[Demon Revival]

I don't understand why you're rambling about mixed celebrities. Happas do not count. We are talking ancient groups and genetics here.

There is no such thing as "Northeast Chinese". You mean Manchurians who are a Tungusic Altaic people.

ANE peaked in order:
-Yamna culture 50%: Located in Southern Russia and Ukraine, responsible for the spread of Indo European languages, R1b and R1a
-Amerindians in general: 43%
-Nganasans and Pamirs: One in the Northern Urals and other bordering Afghanistan
-Other indians and afghans, Volga/ural peoples, North Caucasians, Turkmens and Uzbeks

I am not sure why are you thinking this is a East Eurasian component when none of the parts it peaks is located in East Asia or any East Asian group proper.

If this truly was an East Asian component you'd see it peaking in Japan and China while decreasing the more west you go, when this isn't the case. Caucasus for example has 7x more ANE admix than China.

China's ANE is also lower than that of Spain, France and Italy.

[ButlerKing]

I don't understand why you're rambling about mixed celebrities. Happas do not count. We are talking ancient groups and genetics here.

I'm making a point here. Others have already made a point that some of those Yamnaya people look Eurasian. How do we these Yamnaya were not Hapa themselves ?

I hope you're kidding me about Ngannasans. How can you have 100% East Asian genetics and stil be only half Mongoloid ? not to mention they look more Mongoloid Asians than anything I've seen

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/91/37/89/913789a02fd070f45e281061dcba7911.jpg

http://www.circumarctic.com/image/data/Peoples/Nganasans/Nganasans-1.jpg

[Demon Revival]

Far from it. None of the people in the pictures look 100% MONGOLOID as in Han Chinese. Samoyedic peoples also vary more than that. Many of them have freckles:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/7b/76/b7/7b76b7a0f8d1e30a367aed97a65ec4a3.jpg

http://thesiberiantundra.weebly.com/uploads/5/4/1/3/54134519/149008_orig.jpg

https://www.secretcompass.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Screen-Shot-2016-12-14-at-20.13.13.png

http://www.lifeonthinice.org/data/photos/544_1nenets_01_28.jpg

http://proof.nationalgeographic.com/files/2016/03/TKA_3201.jpg

https://footage.framepool.com/shotimg/641888528-nenets-people-fishing-net-fisherman-job-siberia.jpg

[ButlerKing]

I don't understand why you're rambling about mixed celebrities. Happas do not count. We are talking ancient groups and genetics here.

There is no such thing as "Northeast Chinese". You mean Manchurians who are a Tungusic Altaic people.

ANE peaked in order:
-Yamna culture 50%: Located in Southern Russia and Ukraine, responsible for the spread of Indo European languages, R1b and R1a
-Amerindians in general: 43%
-Nganasans and Pamirs: One in the Northern Urals and other bordering Afghanistan
-Other indians and afghans, Volga/ural peoples, North Caucasians, Turkmens and Uzbeks

I am not sure why are you thinking this is a East Eurasian component when none of the parts it peaks is located in East Asia or any East Asian group proper.

If this truly was an East Asian component you'd see it peaking in Japan and China while decreasing the more west you go, when this isn't the case. Caucasus for example has 7x more ANE admix than China.

China's ANE is also lower than that of Spain, France and Italy.


FACT no.1

There is no ancient caucasoid skulls found in America's, there has nothing been a caucasoid skull found in America.

Kennewick man was the closest they ever got and that's the end of it when this study came out

"Anthropologist Joseph Powell of the University of New Mexico was also allowed to examine the remains. Powell used craniometric data obtained by anthropologist William White Howells of Harvard University and anthropologist Tsunehiko Hanihara of Saga University; this had the advantage of including data drawn from Asian and North American populations.[23] Powell said that Kennewick Man was not European but most resembled the Ainu[15] and Polynesians.[23] Powell said that the Ainu descend from the Jōmon people, an East Asian population with "closest biological affinity with south-east Asians rather than western Eurasian peoples".[25] Powell said that dental analysis showed the skull to have a 94-percent consistency with being of a Sundadont group like the Ainu and Polynesians and only a 48-percent consistency with being of a Sinodont group like that of North Asia.[23] Powell said analysis of the skull showed it to be "unlike American Indians and Europeans."[23] Powell concluded that the remains were "clearly not a Caucasoid unless Ainu and Polynesians are considered Caucasoid."[25] "


Some people who claim those red hair/blonde hair Amerindians were Europeans Caucasians but turn out those were just albino Amerindians.

http://amble.com/ambler/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/f_pg05weegi.jpg



FACT no.2

Pamirs, Indians, Afghans, Volga, Turkmens, Uzbeks all have either Mongoloid admixture and South Asian admixture even the Caucasus have those but far less.

Where are the Caucasians with pure West Eurasian structure and peaks higher than Mongoloids and South Indians ? none


FACT no.3 There is no fact nor proof that R1b and R1a came from Yamnaya people and spread to everywhere.

R1b which is the highest in West Europe of England (and other minority group ) had R1b long before the existince of Yamnaya people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1244654/Study-finds-Britons-descended-farmers-left-Iraq-Syria-10-000-years-ago.html

" Most Britons are direct descendants of farmers who left modern day Iraq and Syria 10,000 years ago, a new study has shown.
After studying the DNA of more than 2,000 men, researchers say they have compelling evidence that four out of five white Europeans can trace their roots to the Near East.

The Leicester University study looked at a common genetic mutation on the Y chromosome, the DNA that is passed down from fathers to sons.

" They found that 80 per cent of European men shared the same Y chromosone mutation and after analysing how the mutation was distributed across Europe, were able to retrace how Europe was colonised around 8,000BC."

"'In total more than 80 per cent of European men have Y chromosomes which descend from incoming farmers.
'It seems odd to think that the majority of men in Ireland have fore fathers from the near East and that British people have forefathers from the near East.'

[Demon Revival]

What the fuck is that crap? None of that is relevant. ANE can by no means be called an East Asian component when it's virtually absent in East Asia. It doesn't matter if the people in question have another additional admixture or not.

You say that some 50% east asian group can not look "Mongoloid". But then again, are you not shooting yourself in the foot?

If ANE is mongoloid and is 30% in North Caucasians, and they additionally have 8% East/Southeast Asian admix too... Then they would be in total 38% Mongoloid. To use the same argument you're using against me... How come they do not look Mongoloid at all, when they are almost 40% Mongoloid according to you?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d9/c8/91/d9c8914123cbb0efb4f00ac319a70167.jpg

Same for Afghans and others:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5144/5560629057_b4f74b7842.jpg

[Fractal]

We still don't know fully well what this ANE shit is all about. I believe ANE is a mongoloid-Europoid mixed component however the more closer to Europe the western Eurasian while the more eastern the more Eastern Eurasian.

ANE reaches highest in Ngannasans (who one of the most purest mongoloid ethnic group with 0% to almost non-admixture ). It also reaches significant in Yakuts where caucasian admixture is minor.

yes i think so too

[ButlerKing]

Far from it. None of the people in the pictures look 100% MONGOLOID as in Han Chinese. Samoyedic peoples also vary more than that. Many of them have freckles:



Because those are not Han Chinese, they are Uralic people a ethnic group who have 67 - 90% Mongoloid admixture.

The last guy in your picture could even be from Russian admix or some ex-slave European transported to Siberia by Soviets. Many Uralics today are of actual partial European ancestry while other married with other Uralic groups.


Give the Chinese freckles, dyed blonde hair, contact lenses and they will definitely look a lot like them.

A Chinese albino for example
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/7c/12/04/7c1204c239ae759a8ee8d475eb96efac.jpg

A 100% Han Chinese albino girl who I actually though was a European albino
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b9/41/22/b94122720b8a3c57987586ad1fffba45.jpg

[ButlerKing]

What the fuck is that crap? None of that is relevant. ANE can by no means be called an East Asian component when it's virtually absent in East Asia. It doesn't matter if the people in question have another additional admixture or not.

You say that some 50% east asian group can not look "Mongoloid". But then again, are you not shooting yourself in the foot?

If ANE is mongoloid and is 30% in North Caucasians, and they additionally have 8% East/Southeast Asian admix too... Then they would be in total 38% Mongoloid. To use the same argument you're using against me... How come they do not look Mongoloid at all, when they are almost 40% Mongoloid according to you?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d9/c8/91/d9c8914123cbb0efb4f00ac319a70167.jpg

Same for Afghans and others:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5144/5560629057_b4f74b7842.jpg


We don't have any idea how Mongoloid the ANE component is in the Yamnaya. Maybe the ANE in Yamnaya at that time represent only 20% Mongoloid with the rest of ANE being Europoid same for the North Caucasians or maybe even less while the ANE in East Asia is 99% Mongoloid.

[Babak]

ANE was lacking in all Europeans (except perhaps in very far corners in the Urals and Volga) before the Bronze age (5000 years BC). Modern Spaniards are 8% ANE now.

I am not sure how ANE even influences in actual physical looks though. Yamnaya peoples were said to be quite light but still with darker skin than modern Europeans descending from them. It is worth noting that the Europeans with more ancestry of the Yamnaya culture today are some of the blondest and lightest:





http://www.sivatherium.narod.ru/library/Nesturh/pics/foto_112.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/11/10/2988297800000578-3119310-image-m-6_1434016715367.jpg

Yamnaya is 50% ANE + 50% other components (mostly western).

Basically the most modern known population in "recent" times with the highest number of ANE was actually located quite West. Far closer to Germany than to Korea:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--37BQewFQfc/VaVddVB1rWI/AAAAAAAAI28/dUDbQSRNa0I/s640/ss_yamnaya_map.jpg

I've actually heard Yamnaya was 50% EHG 50% Iran_CHL

[Demon Revival]

None of the persons I posted were albinos or even blonde or light haired for that matter. No amount of Albinism is going to make Japs look like Uralic peoples:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gSsMXDvcMEg/VxuDqILdArI/AAAAAAAAIng/a_t6xVD0PJE5wLtgrXINKzRhZ4K9smSMQCLcB/s1600/Work-ethic.jpg

https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9e6dju1z1rl52njo1_500.jpg

http://img.fengye8.com/img/d/file/2017-01-25/33ce48f9deb2f9d980f7cebb4bc6aa98.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zA4RfzLhM1M/S65cN4VfDuI/AAAAAAAAAAc/jELDzxJ_SuA/s1600/ket+shaman.jpg

[Demon Revival]

We don't have any idea how Mongoloid the ANE component is in the Yamnaya. Maybe the ANE in Yamnaya at that time represent only 20% Mongoloid with the rest of ANE being Europoid same for the North Caucasians or maybe even less while the ANE in East Asia is 99% Mongoloid.

You do not even know how comparative genetic works. We do have a very clear idea: It's just as mongoloid as the Mal'ta one because that's the representative sample. So the ANE found in everyone all around the world is equally as "mongoloid/caucasoid" as each other proportionally.

Basically = 100% ANE = 100% Mal'ta, whatever he was. There are no "2 versions of the component" LMAO. All the populations who have ANE, come from this same source as Mal'ta.

[Demon Revival]

I've actually heard Yamnaya was 50% EHG 50% Iran_CHL

Those components are not featured on K8.

[ButlerKing]

None of the persons I posted were albinos or even blonde or light haired for that matter. No amount of Albinism is going to make Japs look like Uralic peoples:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gSsMXDvcMEg/VxuDqILdArI/AAAAAAAAIng/a_t6xVD0PJE5wLtgrXINKzRhZ4K9smSMQCLcB/s1600/Work-ethic.jpg

https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9e6dju1z1rl52njo1_500.jpg

http://img.fengye8.com/img/d/file/2017-01-25/33ce48f9deb2f9d980f7cebb4bc6aa98.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zA4RfzLhM1M/S65cN4VfDuI/AAAAAAAAAAc/jELDzxJ_SuA/s1600/ket+shaman.jpg

Firstable what type of Uralics are we talking about? I'm pretty sure a Japanese with some fake freckles, dyed hair/ blue eye contact lenses can end up looking like a Mongoloid looking Uralic .


Your average Mongoloid Uralic generally look like these anyway.
http://www.arcticcentre.org/loader.aspx?id=602f034f-5511-46f4-9593-6b49f4dea0ec
http://www.offtheunbeatentrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/201502-1344a-34779511-m750x740.jpg
http://reindeerherding.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/nechei-serotetto-645x856.jpg

[Demon Revival]

Even in your cherrypicked "Uralic mongoloid" pictures blue eyes, pale skin, sharp noses, freckles and brownish hair are rampant.

[ButlerKing]

You do not even know how comparative genetic works. We do have a very clear idea: It's just as mongoloid as the Mal'ta one because that's the representative sample. So the ANE found in everyone all around the world is equally as "mongoloid/caucasoid" as each other proportionally.

Basically = 100% ANE = 100% Mal'ta, whatever he was. There are no "2 versions of the component" LMAO. All the populations who have ANE, come from this same source as Mal'ta.

And this what they said

Archaeological evidence

Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Mal'ta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was "inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance".[4] Raghavan et al. (2014) and Fu et al. (2016) found that Mal'ta–Buret had brown eyes, dark hair and dark skin.[1][5]

So yeah... how you think ANE is still a western eurasian component is beyond me.

[Demon Revival]

And this what they said

Archaeological evidence

Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Mal'ta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was "inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance".[4] Raghavan et al. (2014) and Fu et al. (2016) found that Mal'ta–Buret had brown eyes, dark hair and dark skin.[1][5]

So yeah... how you think ANE is still a western eurasian component is beyond me.

What you posted only strengthens what I say:

"Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Mal'ta"

"Originally", implying they are no longer seen as such. And then the second line completes this:

"Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was "inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance".

There it says the next researcher was more cautious with the assumptions (unlike you) and specified the area it was found was mostly associated with Mongoloid populations, while avoiding to comment the finding itself.

It is beyond me how anyone could say Mal'ta boy had "Mongoloid features" when it was only a bunch of crushed bones that they found. No full skulls were found at Mal'ta. Therefore first guy who said it had mongoloid features was hallucinating. You can not apply craneometry to crushed bones.

This is how mal'ta boys look like, good luck determining its features:

http://donsmaps.com/images26/thehermitage182.jpg
http://siberiantimes.com/upload/information_system_38/1/2/0/item_1201/information_items_1201.jpg

[ButlerKing]

Even in your cherrypicked "Uralic mongoloid" pictures blue eyes, pale skin, sharp noses, freckles and brownish hair are rampant.

Learn to focus on their facial features and not superficial traits such eye/hajr color, skin color with freckles or not. Those are all just superficial traits.

Sharp aquiline noses are extremely common in many Mongoloid population.

Pure Mongoloids who have them and far more sharp than those Uralic and with eyes way bigger than theirs

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a226/mrs_peabody3/2006916153430724.jpg
https://sv6.postjung.com/picpost/data/275/275085-5458675e52fdb.jpg



And what's more? Pure Mongoloid Hmongs with blonde/red/brown hair and blue/green/light brown eyes and whatever the hell you want.

DNA have shown these groups are 100% pure Mongoloids


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEnsynTBhM

[Demon Revival]

I do not give a shit about facial features, and I do not give a shit about your gay Japanese pictures and of other photoshopped asians/cataracts. We're talking genetics here, and you're having severe troubles understanding it.

It is you who has to focus in the findings. You were the first one to bring facial features in the first place.

ANE is lower in Eastern Asia than even it is in Western Europe. Most of the populations where it peaks (except for Amerindians and Nganasans/Samoyeds) are/were not significantly mongoloid in any way.

AND NATIVE AMERICANS/NGANASANS, PRECISELY... ARE THE MONGOLOIDS WHICH LOOK THE LEAST LIKE OTHER MONGOLOID PEOPLES DO THE MATH.....What else can be responsible of diminishing the mongoloid looks if not ANE?

ANE is the component that alters Paleo-Siberian and Native-Americans and makes them look less East-Asian like.

[Babak]

ANE isn't even an east asian component lol

[ButlerKing]

What you posted only strengthens what I say:

"Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Mal'ta"

"Originally", implying they are no longer seen as such. And then the second line completes this:

"Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was "inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance".

There it says the next researcher was more cautious with the assumptions (unlike you) and specified the area it was found was mostly associated with Mongoloid populations, while avoiding to comment the finding itself.

It is beyond me how anyone could say Mal'ta boy had "Mongoloid features" when it was only a bunch of crushed bones that they found. No full skulls were found at Mal'ta. Therefore first guy who said it had mongoloid features was hallucinating. You can not apply craneometry to crushed bones.

This is how mal'ta boys look like, good luck determining its features:

http://donsmaps.com/images26/thehermitage182.jpg
http://siberiantimes.com/upload/information_system_38/1/2/0/item_1201/information_items_1201.jpg

Those are just your interpretations. I'm sure they are far more of a expert than you are.


https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=vWbwAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE70dWhvwB0wa7W_gGlR1f5sZVd1SUtyl3oLD0D6C Iyui9SRhXaCP6ukhJsGwOr1qZ5dHJBd-6RDudnYo2rbsBLzFZZu5Z7uUoE570I-WC0o3nbZKUIClTGfNmfIeifMx4kc0H4Yp
" Colin Renfrew, Paul Bahn. incisors of the Mal'ta children are shovel shaped, which is accepted as a specific Mongoloid feature.

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=e75T03MIp3sC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE73JbPfAzd13N38LofusOwV4LSLwOqYfjrvQvMtf TPKJbw2U2sIjmBexCrFGJ92S66NmB5S2O4jpMOtjEUEPB1viZD _FZZIS0w4eCeCcmDhz1nTmBTQN4ebwKdihJdoZx6nw_qE0

"It is interesting that the very well-sculptured face of one of the female statuettes from Malta has Mongoloid features (Plate 39). "

[Demon Revival]

Those are just your interpretations. I'm sure they are far more of a expert than you are.


https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=vWbwAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE70dWhvwB0wa7W_gGlR1f5sZVd1SUtyl3oLD0D6C Iyui9SRhXaCP6ukhJsGwOr1qZ5dHJBd-6RDudnYo2rbsBLzFZZu5Z7uUoE570I-WC0o3nbZKUIClTGfNmfIeifMx4kc0H4Yp
" Colin Renfrew, Paul Bahn. incisors of the Mal'ta children are shovel shaped, which is accepted as a specific Mongoloid feature.

It is not. Incisors of such kind can also be found in Pacific populations and SSA.



https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=e75T03MIp3sC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=5&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE73JbPfAzd13N38LofusOwV4LSLwOqYfjrvQvMtf TPKJbw2U2sIjmBexCrFGJ92S66NmB5S2O4jpMOtjEUEPB1viZD _FZZIS0w4eCeCcmDhz1nTmBTQN4ebwKdihJdoZx6nw_qE0

"It is interesting that the very well-sculptured face of one of the female statuettes from Malta has Mongoloid features (Plate 39). "

Yeah right... they are experts finding "Mongoloid features" in this stick figure:
http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltafigurineshermitagesm.jpg
http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltaj4.jpg

Which Voodoo magic they use for that¿? Features of Mal'ta are not known today.

[ButlerKing]

I do not give a shit about facial features, and I do not give a shit about your gay Japanese pictures and of other photoshopped asians/cataracts. We're talking genetics here, and you're having severe troubles understanding it.

It is you who has to focus in the findings. You were the first one to bring facial features in the first place.

ANE is lower in Eastern Asia than even it is in Western Europe. Most of the populations where it peaks (except for Amerindians and Nganasans/Samoyeds) are/were not significantly mongoloid in any way.

AND NATIVE AMERICANS/NGANASANS, PRECISELY... ARE THE MONGOLOIDS WHICH LOOK THE LEAST LIKE OTHER MONGOLOID PEOPLES DO THE MATH.....What else can be responsible of diminishing the mongoloid looks if not ANE?

ANE is the component that alters Paleo-Siberian and Native-Americans and makes them look less East-Asian like.

You better give a shit about facial features because you keep trying to think " Oh look, a Amerindians that look East-Asian must be from West Eurasian admxture ".

The Ngansans look more Mongoloid than Kim Jong il


Once again, I will prove you wrong with these data.

" Professor of anthropology, Akazawa Takeru (赤沢威) at the International Research Center for Japanese Studies, Kyoto, said that there are Neo-Mongoloids and Paleo-Mongoloids. Akazawa said Neo-Mongoloids have "extreme Mongoloid, cold-adapted features" and they include the Chinese, Buryats, Eskimo and Chukchi. In contrast, Akazawa said Paleo-Mongoloids are less cold-adapted. He said Burmese, Filipinos, Polynesians, Jōmon and the indigenous peoples of the Americas were Paleo-Mongoloid.[46] "


Paleo-Mongoloid = Less East Asian looking duh

The Amerindians of Taiwan who have 0% ANE, 0% West Eurasian admixture and 0% of any Non-Mongoloid admixture and obviously look very less East Asian than your stereotypical East Asian.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2nk75f.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/xp3dkh.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/30iz5fn.jpg

[ButlerKing]

It is not. Incisors of such kind can also be found in Pacific populations and SSA.



Yeah right... they are experts finding "Mongoloid features" in this stick figure:
http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltafigurineshermitagesm.jpg
http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltaj4.jpg

Which Voodoo magic they use for that¿? Features of Mal'ta are not known today.

They obviously are more qualified and eyes trained than you are,

Anthropology of the North: Translations from Russian Sources, Issues 1-3
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=qEcsAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE71TCHK5MaW-r7reovSzDRouYOUUe0vox296f8Y2XgQYT9PMSGjSULycRhe08m EjXhNatqOHXNteUTYaw2zvY0A7Kuwul-BV5TvpA4zaLJJRammq2QE

" According to Gerasimov's conclusions "the skeleton of the child from Malta appears to have traits of the Mongoloid race "

[Demon Revival]

They obviously are more qualified and eyes trained than you are,

Anthropology of the North: Translations from Russian Sources, Issues 1-3
https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=qEcsAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE71TCHK5MaW-r7reovSzDRouYOUUe0vox296f8Y2XgQYT9PMSGjSULycRhe08m EjXhNatqOHXNteUTYaw2zvY0A7Kuwul-BV5TvpA4zaLJJRammq2QE

" According to Gerasimov's conclusions "the skeleton of the child from Malta appears to have traits of the Mongoloid race "

Here is the skull:
http://donsmaps.com/images26/thehermitage182.jpg

It's nearly completely dematerialized and disfigured. No such conclusion can be taken. There's also no such thing as "Proto" or "Paleo" Mongoloid. Makes no sense at all. Ainus and Pacific Islanders vs. Native Americans aren't even closely related.

"Proto-" indicates prototype or previous too, meaning that somehow Polynesians, Ainus and Native Americans all belong to a single ancient population when this is totally wrong. There is nothing "proto" or "paleo" about either Native Americans or Polynesians/Southeast Asians. Both are common mongoloids altered by different admixtures.

In the case of Native Americans it's ANE, and in the case of Southeast Asians and Islanders it's Oceanian/Veddoid/Aboriginal like. In the case of Ainus, they are even more East Asian than the Han or Koreans.

[ButlerKing]

Here is the skull:
http://donsmaps.com/images26/thehermitage182.jpg

It's nearly completely dematerialized and disfigured. No such conclusion can be taken. There's also no such thing as "Proto" or "Paleo" Mongoloid. Makes no sense at all. Ainus and Pacific Islanders vs. Native Americans aren't even closely related.

"Proto-" indicates prototype or previous too, meaning that somehow Polynesians, Ainus and Native Americans all belong to a single ancient population when this is totally wrong. There is nothing "proto" or "paleo" about either Native Americans or Polynesians/Southeast Asians. Both are common mongoloids altered by different admixtures.

In the case of Native Americans it's ANE, and in the case of Southeast Asians and Islanders it's Oceanian/Veddoid/Aboriginal like. In the case of Ainus, they are even more East Asian than the Han or Koreans.

Being experts anthologists, even if parts of the skull is disfigured they are experienced enough to tell the remaining part of the skulls have either caucasoid or mongoloid traits.

Firstable what do you you define as " true Mongoloid " . Is that you claim Native Americans who look less East Asian and attribute it to western eurasian admixture when groups like Taiwanese aborigines and Ainu/Jomon who have 0% of any western eurasian DNA admixture and still look non-typical Mongoloid.

I'm pretty sure this is what you define as " True Mongoloid " ( or better the typical stereotypical Mongoloid face )

https://img.rt.com/files/2016.04/original/571b79f2c3618878418b45b3.jpg

However it's proven that old-Mongoloid looked Less East Asians, the stereotypical Mongoloid evolved from the old Mongoloid.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/LA2-NSRW-1-0149.jpg/800px-LA2-NSRW-1-0149.jpg




ANOTHER THING FOR YOU


If you think Native Americans look less East Asian it's not due to the fact they are Paleo-Mongoloids but also because they do have Jomon admixture. So don't think for a second that any non-stereotypical mongoloid traits in Amerindians are due to western eurasian admixture they could very well be either the fact they are Paleo-Mongoloids or the fact they have possible Jomon DNA admixture in different degrees.


D1 is found in 15-30% of ancient Jomon, and 18% in Native Americans, it is much higher in some ethnic group about 29%.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SihOyvwh4zU/TvsS-JMmo1I/AAAAAAAAADs/UQrglXY1H9Q/s1600/Slide13.jpg

Genetic link between Asians and native Americans: evidence from HLA genes and haplotypes.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11543902


" We have been studying polymorphisms of HLA class I and II genes in East Asians including Buryat in Siberia, Mongolian, Han Chinese, Man Chinese, Korean Chinese, South Korean, and Taiwan indigenous populations in collaboration with many Asian scientists. Regional populations in Japan, Hondo-Japanese, Ryukyuan, and Ainu, were also studied. HLA-A, -B, and -DRB1 gene frequencies were subjected to the correspondence analysis and calculation of DA distances. The correspondence analysis demonstrated several major clusters of human populations in the world. "Mongoloid" populations were highly diversified, in which several clusters such as Northeast Asians, Southeast Asians, Oceanians, and Native Americans were observed. Interestingly, an indigenous population in North Japan, Ainu, was placed relatively close to Native Americans in the correspondence analysis. Distribution of particular HLA-A, -B, -DRB1 alleles and haplotypes was also analyzed in relation to migration and dispersal routes of ancestral populations. A number of alleles and haplotypes showed characteristic patterns of regional distribution. For example, B39-HR5-DQ7 (B*3901-DRB1*1406-DQB1*0301) was shared by Ainu and Native Americans. A24-Cw8-B48 was commonly observed in Taiwan indigenous populations, Maori in New Zealand, Orochon in Northeast China, Inuit, and Tlingit. These findings further support the genetic link between East Asians and Native Americans. We have proposed that various ancestral populations in East Asia, marked by different HLA haplotypes, had migrated and dispersed through multiple routes. Moreover, relatively small genetic distances and the sharing of several HLA haplotypes between Ainu and Native Americans suggest that hat these populations are descendants of some Upper Paleolithic populations of East Asia."

[Vascontelo]

It's official. This ANE can't be a western eurasian components.

Is funny how this so called ANE component peaks in ethnic groups don't even have pure West Eurasian genetic structures.

So according to this map Siberians have from 16-33% ANE, Northeast Chinese 6-8% ANE Lol you mean tell me South Indians who have minor western Eurasian admixture have more ANE than all Europeans ? Even Afghanistan, Tajikistan and North Pakistan/India all have different degrees of ASI ( South Indian admixture ) except Tajiks also have some Mongoloid admixture.


The Yamnaya people have 50% ANE dna but 50% of it's non-ANE and plus there is East Eurasian admixture among them anyway.
I'm guessing the Yamnaya could be from 12.5% to 25% Mongoloid after mixing with other non-ANE groups which diluted their Mongoloid admixture.

Just because they look Europoid doesn't mean they aren't like these types of people.

3/4 White + 1/4 Japanese
http://cdn.styleblazer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Chad-Michael-Murray.jpg

She is the daughter of astronaut Franklin Chang-Díaz who is 3/4 Costa Rican (mostly Spanish stock) and 1/4 Chinese. Her mother is a white American, ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Sonia-Chang-Diaz.jpg/448px-Sonia-Chang-Diaz.jpg

I didn't know the Franklin Chang Díaz daughter lol. I'm costarican too, like 61.5% european (mostly spaniard) and 33.0% native american. The rest SSA. This is my ancient eurasian gedmatch result:

Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.53
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.81
East_Asian 21.82
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 24.85
Natufian 27.58
Sub_Saharan 5.42

I got 18.53 ANE, part of that is actually from my spaniard side. And this is how i look:
https://s16.postimg.org/8tfx8hx11/foto_5.jpg
https://s16.postimg.org/kwl8w2839/foto_6.jpg

I don't know if this could help your interesting discussion

[Kriptc06]

I didn't know the Franklin Chang Díaz daughter lol. I'm costarican too, like 61.5% european (mostly spaniard) and 33.0% native american. The rest SSA. This is my ancient eurasian gedmatch result:

Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.53
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.81
East_Asian 21.82
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 24.85
Natufian 27.58
Sub_Saharan 5.42

I got 18.53 ANE, part of that is actually from my spaniard side. And this is how i look:
https://s16.postimg.org/8tfx8hx11/foto_5j[/pg
[IMG]https://s16.postimg.org/kwl8w2839/foto_6.jpgIMG]

I don't know if this could help your interesting discussion

I got 18 too, and im not as near native as you are.

Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.34
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.65
East_Asian 9.73
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 27.14
Natufian 32.14
Sub_Saharan 12.00

[Maguzanci]

I didn't know the Franklin Chang Díaz daughter lol. I'm costarican too, like 61.5% european (mostly spaniard) and 33.0% native american. The rest SSA. This is my ancient eurasian gedmatch result:


I don't know if this could help your interesting discussion

Cool results! You look much more European and score around 75% West Eurasian in that calculator despite being 33% Native American. I think it is because that pure Amerindians are have ancient 1/3 West Eurasian-related ancestry themselves.

[Isleño]

Yes, they are an American evolution of a mixed WNA/ENA people from Asia. You can see here on a 3D PCA plot their exact positions:

http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/PCA84pops.html

[Petalpusher]

You guys make it more complicated than it is. Some of the ANE people bouncing around central-north Eurasia migrated east picking up East Asian like admixture and some other minor things, created the Amerindians, period. Do not try to go too much backward and sideways always mixing ancient with modern, they have no European or modern West Eurasian per say, although ANE contributed to West Eurasia at several points so we have something in common since some of the ANE also did split and went west, before and after their genesis.

All we can say is they have retained the most ANE today.

[Vascontelo]

Cool results! You look much more European and score around 75% West Eurasian in that calculator despite being 33% Native American. I think it is because that pure Amerindians are have ancient 1/3 West Eurasian-related ancestry themselves.

Yeah, i believe that too.

[Kriptc06]

Thread title is real, Ancient Eurasia K6 joined my eastern euro part with my native and gave me:

51.9% Russian + 48.1% Algerian @ 3.55

[Demon Revival]

double post

[Demon Revival]

I didn't know the Franklin Chang Díaz daughter lol. I'm costarican too, like 61.5% european (mostly spaniard) and 33.0% native american. The rest SSA. This is my ancient eurasian gedmatch result:

Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.53
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.81
East_Asian 21.82
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 24.85
Natufian 27.58
Sub_Saharan 5.42

I got 18.53 ANE, part of that is actually from my spaniard side. And this is how i look:
:::PICS SNIPPED:::

I don't know if this could help your interesting discussion

18.53 ANE is a little more than the double Iberians have. Whereas a part of it is from Spaniards (4% or so I guess considering your total ancestry) the remaining 14.5% must be from the Natives. Since you are around 1/3rd amerindian this makes sense. Multiply 14.5 x 3 and it is 33.5%, which is almost the total ANE admix Amerindians have.

Not commenting your pics anyway. Estimating ANE visually is complicated as it is even with "pure groups". "Recent" colonial mixes should be nigh impossible.

[Vascontelo]

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 16.9
2 Steppe_IA 18.17
3 Uzbek 22.01
4 Tajik 23.15
5 Russian 23.75
6 GoyetQ116 24.82
7 Balkar 25.28
8 Finnish 25.57
9 Turkish 26.91
10 Bulgarian 27.52
11 Romanian 27.92
12 Kumyk 28.01
13 Steppe_MLBA 28.24
14 Ukrainian 28.33
15 Hungarian 28.34
16 Croatian 28.8
17 Adygei 29.22
18 Czech 29.55
19 Greek 29.67
20 Albanian 29.73

[Maguzanci]

You guys make it more complicated than it is. Some of the ANE people bouncing around central-north Eurasia migrated east picking up East Asian like admixture and some other minor things, created the Amerindians, period. Do not try to go too much backward and sideways always mixing ancient with modern, they have no European or modern West Eurasian per say, although ANE contributed to West Eurasia at several points so we have something in common since some of the ANE also did split and went west, before and after their genesis.

All we can say is they have retained the most ANE today.

Thank you. I just wonder why older PCAs often show Amerindians as clustering linear to East Asians instead of being in the middle of Eurasia intermediate between Western and Eastern? Is that because those PCAs are made before the discovery of ANE? Also why is Han often used to represent East Asian-like ancestry in Amerindians?

[Iloko]

No wonder many Native Americans can have a Dinarid look to them as well as lower degrees of prognathism as that of a Caucasian.

[Lucas]

In gedmatch calculators without the Amerindian component, the populations with closest genetic distance to Native Americans are Central Asians like Kazakh, Uzbek, Uyghur, Kyrgyz, etc who are genetically Eurasians" than actually Mongoloids as they are heavily West Eurasian admixed.

Native American results using Eurogenes Eutest

some results of 100% Amerindians


Nope. You simply don't understand how two dimensional PCA works:) It's not a proof of anything.

In many PCA from gedmatch calcs we have in the center also SSA or Oceanians. All this thread is wrong from the begining.

[Isleño]

Nope. You simply don't understand how two dimensional PCA works:) It's not a proof of anything.

In many PCA from gedmatch calcs we have in the center also SSA or Oceanians. All this thread is wrong from the begining.
Here's a 3D PCA plot

http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/PCA84pops.html

[VVermillion]

Native americans crossed the Beringa Strait so they should be related to the Siberians, Mongols, and Central Asians for sure. The mestizos/metis genetically would kinda distantly mirror Central Asians who are Eurasians.

[Lucas]

Here's a 3D PCA plot

http://www.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/PCA84pops.html

As I said, Amerindian are very distant from others. But if make snapshot of 2D view for one moment there are nearly "on" Europe.

[Maguzanci]

Native americans crossed the Beringa Strait so they should be related to the Siberians, Mongols, and Central Asians for sure. The mestizos/metis genetically would kinda distantly mirror Central Asians who are Eurasians.

Indeed regarding relations to Siberians/Northern Asians and Central Asians. Actually pure Native Americans can also genetically mirrored Central Asians. I remember this PCA that some Amerindian populations were plotting close to the Kyrgyz who are Central Asians in terms of Eastern and Western Eurasian ancestral percentages. And another PCA where one Native American group is closer to Kyrgyz while another group is closer to Nepalis.

[Zuh]

I think this is a truly great thread so i bump

[Synapsid]

I think this is a truly great thread so i bump

I thought you hated Native Americans.