RN97's FtDNA results; myOrigins and Ancient origins

[RN97]

Uhmmmm..... WAT?!
MyOrigins:
http://i.imgur.com/D5Qv3L5.png
Ancient Origins:
http://i.imgur.com/HOhwqxh.png

[Peterski]

So maybe Ashkenazi is from your Norwegian side after all?

Maybe that "German" grandparent was Jewish German?

Or your Norwegian side also scores partially East European.

Asia Minor and Southeast Europe are more likely from your Romanian side.

[Kelmendasi]

Some Ashkenazi Jews settled in Romania afaik

[gültekin]

Uhmmmm..... WAT?!

Yes http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207074-Indians-!-are-Yamnaya-(FTDNA)

[Peterski]

Some Ashkenazi Jews settled in Romania afaik

In Germany as well.

And he has one grandparent (or great-grandparent?) from Germany. I'm not sure why people assume that Ashkenazi must be from his Romanian side and not from his German-Norwegian side.

Jews quite often mixed with Germans.

[Kelmendasi]

In Germany as well. And he has one grandparent (or great-grandparent?) from Germany.
I doubt he was a Jew tbh since he has a typical Germanic Ydna

[NordicMan]

Kike blood. Eww... :puke: :puke:

[Peterski]

I doubt he was a Jew tbh since he has a typical Germanic Ydna

But Germanic Y-DNA is from his Norwegian ancestors.

He has Norwegian, Romanian and "German" ancestors.

That German side could be partially Jewish.

East Germans also score some East European as well.

Norwegians can also score East European.

[Jana]

Its' pretty certain you're part Askhenazi. FTDNA is very deep and reliable test especially after recent updates.
Nothing to feel bad about as they're overarchivers in almost every aspect of civilisation there is.

[RN97]

So maybe Ashkenazi is from your Norwegian side after all?

Maybe that "German" grandparent was Jewish German?

Or your Norwegian side also scores partially East European.

Asia Minor and Southeast Europe are more likely from your Romanian side.
It's not impossible, but I still end up between Norwegians and Romanians on most calculators/ PCA plots. Why wouldn't it show up on 23andme? What about the middle eastern? BTW on myheritage I got

Europe
97,6%
North and West Europe
79,4%
North and West European
65,2%
Scandinavian
14,2%
Ashkenazi Jewish
7,9%
Ashkenazi Jewish
7,9%
East Europe
6,8%
East European
6,8%
South Europe
3,5%
Italian
3,5%
America
1,3%
Central America
1,3%
Central American
1,3%
Africa
1,1%
North Africa
1,1%
North African
1,1%
So it was sorta reversed there.

Some Ashkenazi Jews settled in Romania afaik

Yeah, but I score <0.1% on 23andme and these are my JTest results:
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.14
2 ATLANTIC 19.87
3 WEST_MED 12.53
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.37
5 EAST_EURO 10.55
6 EAST_MED 9.61
7 ASHKENAZI 6.73
8 WEST_ASIAN 4.81
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.09
10 SIBERIAN 0.31

It can't possibly be higher than on Gedmatch as Romanians on average score around 6% there

[Kelmendasi]

But Germanic Y-DNA is from his Norwegian ancestors.

He has Norwegian, Romanian and "German" ancestors.

That German side could be partially Jewish.

East Germans also score some East European as well.

Norwegians can also score East European.
Isn't his German ancestor his paternal ancestor though?

[Catholic Riffs]

Buy Y37

[Peterski]

Isn't his German ancestor his paternal ancestor though?

No. And even if that was the case, his German ancestor could have a Jewish mother (for example).

[RN97]

Its' pretty certain you're part Askhenazi. FTDNA is very deep and reliable test especially after recent updates.
Nothing to feel bad about as they're overarchivers in almost every aspect of civilisation there is.

But it can't be that high and not show up on 23andme and it also wouldn't make sense plotting wise. These are all the plots with me in it. Just think about me as 8% jewish. How can it be?
http://i.imgur.com/YwE5uQn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MDgoqLa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EiG11m3.png
http://i.imgur.com/WxbBM0K.png
And what about the Turkish admixture? Where does that come into play?

[Kelmendasi]

No. And even if that was the case, his German ancestor could have a Jewish mother (for example).
True

[Peterski]

If you were just 50% Romanian + 50% Norwegian you should rather plot somewhere here, right?:

http://i.imgur.com/rq0c7Pd.png

http://i.imgur.com/rq0c7Pd.png

[Jana]

But it can't be that high and not show up on 23andme and it also wouldn't make sense plotting wise. These are all the plots with me in it. Just think about me as 8% jewish. How can it be?
http://i.imgur.com/YwE5uQn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MDgoqLa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EiG11m3.png
http://i.imgur.com/WxbBM0K.png
And what about the Turkish admixture? Where does that come into play?

23andme goes onnly 500 years back and IMO FTDNA is much superior test. You shouldn't put much trust in calculators anyway, this is interesting but amateur stuff.
While companies are ran by professionals and in most you do get Askhenazi. Btw, why shouldn't you plot as Central European still ? Askhenazi admixture is like Sicilian, not really MENA, and if you have it's it's only small part.

Turkish admixture is unlikely, don't think so. People who mixed with Turks had children that were considered Turkish and wouldn't be able to assmiliate in host society (like Romanian). Most of them were expelled to Anatolia during Balkan wars.

[RN97]

If you were just 50% Romanian + 50% Norwegian you should rather plot somewhere here, right?:

http://i.imgur.com/rq0c7Pd.png

http://i.imgur.com/rq0c7Pd.png

I do get that, but that's one that plots me furthest than the average. I meant that I basically don't plot more in the direction of the azkhenazi jews. How would jewish admixture shift me in that direction? IDK really anymore.

[kingjohn]

And what about the Turkish admixture? Where does that come into play?[/QUOTE]

Bulgarians Romanians and some Serbs score Asia minor in my origins 2.0
this component was in Romania even before the dacians your ancestors


try one to many in option gedmatch if you have a lot of jewish matches { aschenazi bottlneck endogomy} than it the real deal....

[RN97]

23andme goes onnly 500 years back and IMO FTDNA is much superior test. You shouldn't put much trust in calculators anyway, this is interesting but amateur stuff.
While companies are ran by professionals and in most you do get Askhenazi. Btw, why shouldn't you plot as Central European still ? Askhenazi admixture is like Sicilian, not really MENA, and if you have it's it's only small part.

Turkish admixture is unlikely, don't think so. People who mixed with Turks had children that were considered Turkish and wouldn't be able to assmiliate in host society (like Romanian). Most of them were expelled to Anatolia during Balkan wars.

But I score 9% asia minor which is Turkish on FtDNA

[Peterski]

I found this quote:

"If you shake someone's genealogical tree hard enough, at least one Jew will fall."

- Heinrich Himmler

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/holoprelude/images/himm9.jpg

:)

[RN97]

And what about the Turkish admixture? Where does that come into play?

Bulgarians Romanians and some Serbs score Asia minor in my origins 2.0
this component was in Romania even before the dacians your ancestors


try one to many in option gedmatch if you have a lot of jewish matches { aschenazi bottlneck endogomy} than it the real deal....[/QUOTE]

I can't know if they're jewish or nah though

[Dick]

http://i.imgur.com/EiG11m3.png


this plot makes more sense if you're mixed Norwegian, German and Romanian. in between Romania and Dutch pretty much. I doubt you have any jewish ancestry

[Jana]

But I score 9% asia minor which is Turkish on FtDNA
Could it be ancient ? FTDNA goes around 2000 years back if I'm not mistaken.

[Peterski]

Maybe David Wesolowski and Doug McDonald could tell if you are Jewish admixed.

[RN97]

Maybe David Wesolowski and Doug McDonald could tell if you are Jewish admixed.

I did send an E-mail to McDonald, but he didn't answer. I doubt Davidski can.

[Dick]

I can't know if they're jewish or nah though

Didn't you send your raw data to Doug McDonald? He got back to me in a few hours after I did.

[RN97]

this plot makes more sense if you're mixed Norwegian, German and Romanian. in between Romania and Dutch pretty much. I doubt you have any jewish ancestry
IDK, I don't understand why I score azkhenazi on these tests. Basically all but 23andme.

Could it be ancient ? FTDNA goes around 2000 years back if I'm not mistaken.

IDK. I haven't seen any DNA results of Balkanites on myorigins.

[Dick]

IDK, I don't understand why I score azkhenazi on these tests. Basically all but 23andme.


IDK. I haven't seen any DNA results of Balkanites on myorigins.

jdmcdona@illinois.edu

I just told him I get odd oracles in gedmatch such as 50% Icelandic+ %50 Ashkenazi. He plotted me in Hungary but also gives you a middle eastern plot on the map, my mideast is in Greece :rotfl:

He told me my most likely fit is 100% European. Also gave me second most likely fit 80% European and 20% Mideast with a possible population such as this Irish= 0.635 Jewish= 0.365 which of course isn't true.

[Not a Cop]

[/B]

Bulgarians Romanians and some Serbs score Asia minor in my origins 2.0
this component was in Romania even before the dacians your ancestors


try one to many in option gedmatch if you have a lot of jewish matches { aschenazi bottlneck endogomy} than it the real deal....

I can't know if they're jewish or nah though[/QUOTE]

How many matches do you have on 23andme and Ftdna? Have you transmitted your results to Ftdna or did a separate test?

[Jana]

You can compare with mine since you cluster with Croats:
http://i.imgur.com/FMvdOjZ.png
I also get 2% Finnish in trace results.

[Not a Cop]

And what about the Turkish admixture? Where does that come into play?

Bulgarians Romanians and some Serbs score Asia minor in my origins 2.0
this component was in Romania even before the dacians your ancestors


try one to many in option gedmatch if you have a lot of jewish matches { aschenazi bottlneck endogomy} than it the real deal....[/QUOTE]

I've just compared his results with a dozen of different jews in people who match both kits. No more than couple results, jewish admix if fake\phantom.

[RN97]

I can't know if they're jewish or nah though

How many matches do you have on 23andme and Ftdna? Have you transmitted your results to Ftdna or did a separate test?[/QUOTE]

I transmitted them from 23andme.
http://i.imgur.com/hS6FLMh.png

[RN97]

You can compare with mine since you cluster with Croats:
http://i.imgur.com/FMvdOjZ.png
I also get 2% Finnish in trace results.

It's crazy how you score 100% European, but I only get 83%......
The thing is that I don't really cluster with Croats, I only cluster with you folks on basal-rich K7, but I consider it really the most "valid" since it has components that science uses/ components that are alike what science uses. It is the most similar to professional PCA plots;
http://i.imgur.com/WxbBM0K.png
http://i.imgur.com/GBFsOLB.jpg

[Kamal900]

Wallachian stronk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37tpXvOXHmk

[Dibran]

Its' pretty certain you're part Askhenazi. FTDNA is very deep and reliable test especially after recent updates.
Nothing to feel bad about as they're overarchivers in almost every aspect of civilisation there is.

Idk, I get just 100 percent southeast euro. Seems very general.

[Enflamme]

Its' pretty certain you're part Askhenazi. FTDNA is very deep and reliable test especially after recent updates.
Nothing to feel bad about as they're overarchivers in almost every aspect of civilisation there is.

FTDNA is shit. Even the father of Petalpusher who has no origin from Asia Minor, gets 3% of Asia Minor origin!

The new update is ridiculous and incorrect: many people get results that make no sense.

On the FTDNA forum, I saw a guy who got a Norwegian origin after the FTDNA update ... while his parents, who also have a kit on FTDNA, got nothing!


Moreover, FTDNA does not consider the Finnish and Eastern European origin as a European origin ...

Ridiculous!

[Myanthropologies]

You're not the only one with a jewish surprise in your dna, me too. I took a haplogroup test and it predicted me to be a really rare g haplogroup found only in some Pashtuns, ashkenazis, sefardics, and Levantines, and is mostly associated with ashkenazis.

[Mortimer]

I just donated 16 USD to Davidski to get basal rich K7 and global 10 world. Thats 14 euros

[kingjohn]

his father has 1/4 ancestry from Lombardy
even north Italians have east med or west Asian admixture in eurogenes k13
this asia minor came to his father probably from his Lombardy roots not his french or German roots
ftdna goes 2000 years or even before that
probably there was some west Asian migration to Europe maybe in the bronze age .


p.s
i personally think there Sephardi cluster is bad bad

[Not a Cop]

But I score 9% asia minor which is Turkish on FtDNA

Ftdna is pretty bad, especially if you transmit your results,i also get 4% Asia minor there, but none of my GP does.

[Voskos]

your mixed half and half ancestry made the algorithm go crazy.

[Era]

IDK. I haven't seen any DNA results of Balkanites on myorigins.

Here:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?207004-FTDNA-MyOrigins-update/page2&highlight=myorigins

[Kelmendasi]

IDK, I don't understand why I score azkhenazi on these tests. Basically all but 23andme.


IDK. I haven't seen any DNA results of Balkanites on myorigins.
I score 100% SE euro on MyOrigins as do the majority of Albanians, south Slavs get a mix of east and SE euro while Greeks afaik are in majority SE euro like Albanians

[Rethel]

RN97,

do not be so jew...
Keep calm and stay R1.
Rest is for weirdTAtards...

[RN97]

your mixed half and half ancestry made the algorithm go crazy.
That might be, I've gotten some strange results, in fact only 23andme makes sense. Myheritage not only gave me 7,9% azkhenazi, but also
North and West Europe 79,4%
which should be impossible as Romanian is counted as eastern European there.

I score 100% SE euro on MyOrigins as do the majority of Albanians, south Slavs get a mix of east and SE euro while Greeks afaik are in majority SE euro like Albanians

I don't think you've seen what I've seen :p
I've seen Albanians get below 80% European and more jewish than me which is odd since Albanians are genetically quite uniform. Greeks who only differ slightly tend to get a lot more exotic results like below 80% European regularly.

[Kelmendasi]

That might be, I've gotten some strange results, in fact only 23andme makes sense. Myheritage not only gave me 7,9% azkhenazi, but also
North and West Europe 79,4%
which should be impossible as Romanian is counted as eastern European there.


I don't think you've seen what I've seen :p
I've seen Albanians get below 80% European and more jewish than me which is odd since Albanians are genetically quite uniform. Greeks who only differ slightly tend to get a lot more exotic results like below 80% European regularly.
I'm talking about MyOrigins 2.0 bro ;) where every Albanian gets 90-100% Euro

[RN97]

I'm talking about MyOrigins 2.0 bro ;) where every Albanian gets 90-100% Euro

Well that makes even less sense. An update brings it up from 78% to 100%.
Seems just very fishy especially since people claim this test goes back a while so what about the heavy basal carrying farmers that invaded Europe? I def. have less of that than most s. Euros, yet score a lot more middle eastern.

[kingjohn]

your south east euro and asia minor in my origins 2.0 from your Romanian Dacian ancestors
be proud Domitian- Dacian war they gave the Romans hell :cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU1d7Z88KRo

[Era]

Well that makes even less sense. An update brings it up from 78% to 100%.
Seems just very fishy especially since people claim this test goes back a while so what about the heavy basal carrying farmers that invaded Europe? I def. have less of that than most s. Euros, yet score a lot more middle eastern.

You wish though. They upgraded their algorithm and we get consistent results from all of them, dnaland, wegene, myheritage. As do you, all of them are saying the same thing.

[Kelmendasi]

Well that makes even less sense. An update brings it up from 78% to 100%.
Seems just very fishy especially since people claim this test goes back a while so what about the heavy basal carrying farmers that invaded Europe? I def. have less of that than most s. Euros, yet score a lot more middle eastern.
We now get 100% Euro because they added a Balkan category and updated the refrences. Its not too fishy as Albanians consistently get 100% Euro on most calcs. MyOrigins goes back about 2,000 years apparently

[Norse]

8% Jew is quite close to cutoff but even by Nazi standards you are considered of the Volk.

[Lucas]

RN97 do you have possibility tu download raw data from FTDNA?

Try tu upload it to DNA.land and tell your results. And compare with DNA.land results for original 23&me raw data.

Also upload this raw data from FTDNA to gedmatch and check Jtest again.

[Vascontelo]

Jtest is a joke

[RN97]

You wish though. They upgraded their algorithm and we get consistent results from all of them, dnaland, wegene, myheritage. As do you, all of them are saying the same thing.
Hmm... Now that you mention it, you're right. I do not see any difference
http://i.imgur.com/zVEdBL7.png
http://i.imgur.com/D5Qv3L5.png

[Peterski]

^^^ Is that your 23andMe Speculative mode or some other mode?

23andMe is not really more accurate than FTDNA, as it gives you only 12.5% Scandinavian.

If anything 23andMe is more cautious, with all of its "Broadly" stuff.

[RN97]

RN97 do you have possibility tu download raw data from FTDNA?

Try tu upload it to DNA.land and tell your results. And compare with DNA.land results for original 23&me raw data.

Also upload this raw data from FTDNA to gedmatch and check Jtest again.

I'll try it and see if it works.

[Era]

Hmm... Now that you mention it, you're right. I do not see any difference


The first one is 23andme, didnt you say that's recent and doesnt show much ;) I'm talking about the rest :)

[RN97]

^^^ Is that your 23andMe Speculative mode or some other mode?

23andMe is not really more accurate than FTDNA, as it gives you only 12.5% Scandinavian.

If anything 23andMe is more cautious, with all of its "Broadly" stuff.

The modes doesn't matter, but yes it is. If I change the modes I just get less % of the results. However how can FtDNA be accurate. Just think about it. My mom would have to be around 18% middle eastern and 16% jewish. Only 66% European. I'm just asking where (for example in Gedmatch) is all of that? I mean, I'd understand with minor percentages, but this just seems ridonkeyless.

[RN97]

The first one is 23andme, didnt you say that's recent and doesnt show much ;) I'm talking about the rest :)

You clearly don't understand how this works. Show me a geneticist that supports the idea of "Balkan" or that talks about how Balkan is a genetic component. I meant that GEDMatch is much more accurate as for telling your true origin/ genetic composition since it doesn't really matter if Ahmed the goat herder came into your genetic composition 3k years ago or 1.5k years ago, does it? Anyways congrats on scoring 100% southeastern European, a component specifically designed for you. So you're telling me that before this was added and Albos scored less than 80% European, what? Your genetics have changed? Nope. Balkan is already middle eastern admixed and even if FtDNA's so very scientific and valuable algorithm shows you as 100% European and me as 83%. Let me ask you this. Out of us two. Who's the one with more native European HG admixture? Who's the one closest to Turks and jews genetically?
Answer those two question pls. K thanks, bye miss European.

[kingjohn]

8% Jew is quite close to cutoff but even by Nazi standards you are considered of the Volk.


i think you are correct i will call himmler he will decide {prove non jewish blood to 1750} no gentic tests back then
if he agree i will give you a number
and application for the ss
if it was up to me you will get in not because of your germanic blood
it is because of your Dacians ancestors it is enough in my book

[Kelmendasi]

You clearly don't understand how this works. Show me a geneticist that supports the idea of "Balkan" or that talks about how Balkan is a genetic component. I meant that GEDMatch is much more accurate as for telling your true origin/ genetic composition since it doesn't really matter if Ahmed the goat herder came into your genetic composition 3k years ago or 1.5k years ago, does it? Anyways congrats on scoring 100% southeastern European, a component specifically designed for you. So you're telling me that before this was added and Albos scored less than 80% European, what? Your genetics have changed? Nope. Balkan is already middle eastern admixed and even if FtDNA's so very scientific and valuable algorithm shows you as 100% European and me as 83%. Let me ask you this. Out of us two. Who's the one with more native European HG admixture? Who's the one closest to Turks and jews genetically?
Answer those two question pls. K thanks, bye miss European.
Bro Albanians aren't this hugely MENA admixed at least not recently ethnic group , she's just saying what Ftdna has said/done. Go by the 23andme results as they arent from uploads which can be unaccurate.

[Kelmendasi]

The modes doesn't matter, but yes it is. If I change the modes I just get less % of the results. However how can FtDNA be accurate. Just think about it. My mom would have to be around 18% middle eastern and 16% jewish. Only 66% European. I'm just asking where (for example in Gedmatch) is all of that? I mean, I'd understand with minor percentages, but this just seems ridonkeyless.
Genetic uploads like these can be inaccurate or their algorithm is misinterpreting things

[RN97]

Bro Albanians aren't this hugely MENA admixed at least not recently ethnic group , she's just saying what Ftdna has said/done. Go by the 23andme results as they arent from uploads which can be unaccurate.

I didn't mean that, but she's had it out for me for a while now. She wasn't "just saying". Southern Europeans in general has more basal Eurasian admixture from the farmers that invaded Europe thousands of years ago. I'm just saying that she's talking all this about how she's so much more European than me, but her reasoning isn't really scientific. I'm not interested in a dick-measuring contest about who's more European or not.....

[Kelmendasi]

I didn't mean that, but she's had it out for me for a while now. She wasn't "just saying". Southern Europeans in general has more basal Eurasian admixture from the farmers that invaded Europe thousands of years ago. I'm just saying that she's talking all this about how she's so much more European than me, but her reasoning isn't really scientific. I'm not interested in a dick-measuring contest about who's more European or not.....
She isn't more Euro than you bro, you plot in the centre of Euros afaik. I would suggest paying more attention to Gedmatch calculators since they are probably the best. Albanians also have a good amount of WHG to be fair and not only Neolithic admix but Neolithic is usually more dominant although on some calcs I get more WHG than Neolithic, still though you probably have far more WHG than me :)

[Era]

I didn't mean that, but she's had it out for me for a while now. She wasn't "just saying". Southern Europeans in general has more basal Eurasian admixture from the farmers that invaded Europe thousands of years ago. I'm just saying that she's talking all this about how she's so much more European than me, but her reasoning isn't really scientific. I'm not interested in a dick-measuring contest about who's more European or not.....

Lol. You were the one competing saying this sounds fishy because you can't have more mena than us. Farmers component is just as euro as whg in euros. They are both stabilized. Your admixture is more recent that's why it shows as different than other euro components.

You can complain to all of them to remove farmers as euro ...

[Wrong]

23andme autosomal only goes back 280-300 years for example.

[Voskos]

23andme autosomal only goes back 280-300 years for example.

very good at detecting recent migrants

[RN97]

Lol. You were the one competing saying this sounds fishy because you can't have more mena than us. Farmers component is just as euro as whg in euros. They are both stabilized. Your admixture is more recent that's why it shows as different than other euro components.

You can complain to all of them to remove farmers as euro ...

It wasn't "stabilized" back before the update :rolleyes:
http://i.imgur.com/ERPl8fD.png
http://i.imgur.com/mxBuSQN.png

[Kelmendasi]

It wasn't "stabilized" back before the update :rolleyes:
[im]http://i.imgur.com/ERPl8fD.png[/img]
[ig]http://i.imgur.com/mxBuSQN.png[/img]
MyOrigins autosomal(non ancient origins) goes back to the Roman era and not Neolithic migration so Neolithic being stabilized or not doesn't matter. She is sorta right in saying that EEF is as European as HG since it does make up a great deal if modern day European admix but HG is more "native" to Europe

[Lek]

You clearly don't understand how this works. Show me a geneticist that supports the idea of "Balkan" or that talks about how Balkan is a genetic component. I meant that GEDMatch is much more accurate as for telling your true origin/ genetic composition since it doesn't really matter if Ahmed the goat herder came into your genetic composition 3k years ago or 1.5k years ago, does it? Anyways congrats on scoring 100% southeastern European, a component specifically designed for you. So you're telling me that before this was added and Albos scored less than 80% European, what? Your genetics have changed? Nope. Balkan is already middle eastern admixed and even if FtDNA's so very scientific and valuable algorithm shows you as 100% European and me as 83%. Let me ask you this. Out of us two. Who's the one with more native European HG admixture? Who's the one closest to Turks and jews genetically?
Answer those two question pls. K thanks, bye miss European.

gedmatch has a Balkan/southeastern component too which is why we get countries like greece, Albania, bulgaria, romania, italy , fyrom, montenegro, serbia etc.. as obviously some of these groups share genes not as common in the more northern populations.


Whats bullshit are things like west balkan or east Balkan like livingdna, dna tribes etc

[RN97]

MyOrigins autosomal(non ancient origins) goes back to the Roman era and not Neolithic migration so Neolithic being stabilized or not doesn't matter. She is sorta right in saying that EEF is as European as HG since it does make up a great deal if modern day European admix but HG is more "native" to Europe

EEF is like modern Sardinians. Meaning it's more European than my and is as European HG admixed as the average Spaniard. Much more than the average Balkanite. EEF is not basal. The basal Eurasian came before the EEF since EEF is a mixed population. Before that there was a middle eastern population that came to Europe and had no/ very little amount of European HG ancestry most likely(for example anatolian farmers).

[RN97]

gedmatch has a Balkan/southeastern component too which is why we get countries like greece, Albania, bulgaria, romania, italy , fyrom, montenegro, serbia etc.. as obviously some of these groups share genes not as common in the more northern populations.


Whats bullshit are things like west balkan or east Balkan like livingdna, dna tribes etc

Gedmatch splits your ancestry into components that sometimes are simply invented by the creator(who is still often skilled) such as Atlantic, north sea or something like that. However that doesn't make it any less valid because the overall result will still yield something that is accurate. You get countries like that because they are closer to you genetically. Simple as that, that's why you get components that matches those pop. averages.

[kingjohn]

But I score 9% asia minor which is Turkish on FtDNA

from where in romania your maternal roots came ?
i am intrested about the frequerncy of asia minor

[Voskos]

But I score 9% asia minor which is Turkish on FtDNA

asia minor isn't turkish.i've even seen a french guy get some of it.

[RN97]

from where in romania your maternal roots came ?
i am intrested about the frequerncy of asia minor

South central Romania.

[kingjohn]

asia minor isn't turkish.i've even seen a french guy get some of it.

probably ancient antolian ancestery
in my origins 1.0 i think they used armenian
but in my origins 2.0 i think the used turks don't know from which province in turkey

[Peterski]

asia minor isn't turkish.i've even seen a french guy get some of it.

Busby 2015, "The Role of Recent Admixture in Forming the Contemporary West Eurasian Genomic Landscape":

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(15)00949-5

"Southern European groups (SEE, SCE, SDN, SWE, and BA) on the other hand derive ancestry from African and Near Eastern World Regions. In particular, ancestry from groups most similar to contemporary populations from in and around the Levant (lev; which we define as the World Region containing individuals from Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, and Egypt) is present across Italy (SCE), Sardinia (SDN), France and Spain (SWE), and Armenia (IA; Figure 2B). Interestingly, North (nafII) and West (waf) African ancestry is also seen entering Southern Europe, suggesting a key role for the Mediterranean in supporting gene flow back into Europe [8, 26, 27]. Dates for the influx of this admixture are broad and generally fall within the first millennium CE (Figure 3B) although are more recent in BA and SWE, including French (frenc24: 728 CE [424–1011 CE]) and Spanish (spani27: 1042 CE [740–1201 CE]; spani9: 668 CE [286–876 CE]) clusters, consistent with migrations associated with the Arabic Conquest of the Iberian peninsula [8, 11, 28] and earlier movements in and around Italy [29]."

http://i.imgur.com/zP4pU1M.png

[Voskos]

Busby 2015, "The Role of Recent Admixture in Forming the Contemporary West Eurasian Genomic Landscape":

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(15)00949-5

"Southern European groups (SEE, SCE, SDN, SWE, and BA) on the other hand derive ancestry from African and Near Eastern World Regions. In particular, ancestry from groups most similar to contemporary populations from in and around the Levant (lev; which we define as the World Region containing individuals from Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, and Egypt) is present across Italy (SCE), Sardinia (SDN), France and Spain (SWE), and Armenia (IA; Figure 2B). Interestingly, North (nafII) and West (waf) African ancestry is also seen entering Southern Europe, suggesting a key role for the Mediterranean in supporting gene flow back into Europe [8, 26, 27]. Dates for the influx of this admixture are broad and generally fall within the first millennium CE (Figure 3B) although are more recent in BA and SWE, including French (frenc24: 728 CE [424–1011 CE]) and Spanish (spani27: 1042 CE [740–1201 CE]; spani9: 668 CE [286–876 CE]) clusters, consistent with migrations associated with the Arabic Conquest of the Iberian peninsula [8, 11, 28] and earlier movements in and around Italy [29]."

http://i.imgur.com/zP4pU1M.png

so what is your point?this isn't something new.

[Voskos]

probably ancient antolian ancestery
in my origins 1.0 i think they used armenian
but in my origins 2.0 i think the used turks don't know from which province in turkey

are you sure they only used turks? palestinians get asia minor, some slavic macedonians get it, even europeans.

[kingjohn]

no i am not sure but don't you think it is wierd
taht turks who score 9% north east asia in my origins 1.0 in another forum
is all of a sudden 100% asia minor in my origins 2.0

maybe they are using some armenians also we need white paper fast ....

[RN97]

probably ancient antolian ancestery
in my origins 1.0 i think they used armenian
but in my origins 2.0 i think the used turks don't know from which province in turkey

The neolithic farmers from west asia came around 6k+ years ago. How far do you think this thing goes? It's clearly inaccurate IMO. If they also tested so far back all Europeans would get some asia minor. No one is completely free from ENF admixture in Europe.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

EEF is like modern Sardinians. Meaning it's more European than my and is as European HG admixed as the average Spaniard. Much more than the average Balkanite. EEF is not basal. The basal Eurasian came before the EEF since EEF is a mixed population. Before that there was a middle eastern population that came to Europe and had no/ very little amount of European HG ancestry most likely(for example anatolian farmers).

Actually anatolian farmers had roughly a third of WHG component from my understandings.

[RN97]

Actually anatolian farmers had roughly a third of WHG component from my understandings.

Maybe so, but still much less than Sardinians.

[kingjohn]

The neolithic farmers from west asia came around 6k+ years ago. How far do you think this thing goes? It's clearly inaccurate IMO. If they also tested so far back all Europeans would get some asia minor. No one is completely free from ENF admixture in Europe.


https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/autosomal-ancestry/ethnic-origins/population-finder-results-reflect-past-generations/

[Kelmendasi]

The neolithic farmers from west asia came around 6k+ years ago. How far do you think this thing goes? It's clearly inaccurate IMO. If they also tested so far back all Europeans would get some asia minor. No one is completely free from ENF admixture in Europe.
The max it goes back is 2,000 years so during the Roman empire so the Asian genes probably got diluted by then

[The Illyrian Warrior]

http://i67.tinypic.com/bisbj4.jpg
Here's a ftdna result after they add Balkan reference, this how majority of Albanians score, ftdna autosomal test goes about 2 millennia back, basically Albanians didn't changed much from iron age, slavs usually score east euro and other non Balkan component whereas some Greeks still have asia minor component after the update perhaps due asia minor migrants or due more south and caucasus shifted position.

[Voskos]

no i am not sure but don't you think it is wierd
taht turks who score 9% north east asia in my origins 1.0 in another forum
is all of a sudden 100% asia minor in my origins 2.0

maybe they are using some armenians also we need white paper fast ....

wierd. if it is indeed 9% asian admixed then some Greeks and FYROM natives who score 10-20% of it would be 1-2% Asian, which isn't impossible given the geography.another possibility is that myorigins 1.0 used a different amount and set of SNPs that inflated siberian in turks.

[Lucas]

How is DNA.land after uploading from FTDNA?

[RN97]

How is DNA.land after uploading from FTDNA?

Before
http://i.imgur.com/gymVAFL.png
after:
http://i.imgur.com/DUT1Wyp.png
IDK if this means anything but another thing is that
my eye color:
http://i.imgur.com/MnI39OW.jpg
their prediction:
http://i.imgur.com/ebZXVsz.png
My theory is due to the fact that I'm mixed, their algorithm must be struggling as if you calculate it, I get more NW Euro (but only 3% more, that's fine), however, even if we say jewish is balkan/ Romanian-like. I only get 30% of that. Why 10% Finnish? Not to mention that I'm more jewish-like on this new one. I score more east med and cluster a bit more south on Gedmatch. But IDK. Again, thus far only 23andme has correlated with my known ancestry. No other calc. came even close.

[kingjohn]

very intresting the indo -iranian you score it is low
what do you think about it ?
i think you are right about the algoritem getting crazy
if your asia minor was real you would have score central indo -european in dna land ....



p.s
what is intersting
is that ftdna , my heritage , and now dna land all show significant aschenazi
even if it is not real you defently have shared signitures / markers with the aschenazi reference

[Enflamme]

Over the last 2,000 years, you have more Jewish blood than in the last 300 years ...

It's still strange!

Are you a Jew?

[kingjohn]

he is not jewish
he have no jewish blood 23and me and wegene found none
he can sleep good at night

p.s
last question why do people hate jews so much are we so horrible what have we done to christian europeans
that they hate us so much
europe is filled with muslims who try to force the sharia on others
so how and why are the jews are so hatefull ...... ????

[Numidia]

Over the last 2,000 years, you have more Jewish blood than in the last 300 years ...

It's still strange!

Are you a Jew?

of course he is but he doesn't want to say

[RN97]

of course he is but he doesn't want to say

Who the fuck are you even, mongrel? I don't even know who the fuck you are, do we have a score to settle or what? I'm far away from jews.
http://i.imgur.com/4VBqzjb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2zonIbH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9e96Qcz.png
http://i.imgur.com/vo28OoM.png
http://i.imgur.com/zNjk5E8.png

On another note I'd much rather be a jew than a inbred SSA admixed north African with a ~80 IQ.

[Lucas]

Before

http://i.imgur.com/DUT1Wyp.png

My theory is due to the fact that I'm mixed, their algorithm must be struggling as if you calculate it, I get more NW Euro (but only 3% more, that's fine), however, even if we say jewish is balkan/ Romanian-like. I only get 30% of that. Why 10% Finnish? Not to mention that I'm more jewish-like on this new one. I score more east med and cluster a bit more south on Gedmatch. But IDK. Again, thus far only 23andme has correlated with my known ancestry. No other calc. came even close.

Could be possibility that DNA.LAND algorhitm was fooled by unusual mix of Scando with Romanian. And it is interpreted partly as Askhenazi blood by their oracle? I found on Gedmatch some Transylvanian Saxon and he also scored Akshenazi on some oracles, but on Jtest was below Romanian average. How is your Jtest?

[RN97]

Could be possibility that DNA.LAND algorhitm was fooled by unusual mix of Scando with Romanian. And it is interpreted partly as Askhenazi blood by their oracle? I found on Gedmatch some Transylvanian Saxon and he also scored Akshenazi on some oracles, but on Jtest was below Romanian average. How is your Jtest?
Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.14
2 ATLANTIC 19.87
3 WEST_MED 12.53
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.37
5 EAST_EURO 10.55
6 EAST_MED 9.61
7 ASHKENAZI 6.73
8 WEST_ASIAN 4.81
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.09
10 SIBERIAN 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 AT 5.97
2 West_&_Central_German 8.1
3 FR 8.9
4 NL 9.24
5 Serbian 10.51
6 English 10.85
7 Cornish 11
8 HU 11.12
9 DK 12.35
10 Orcadian 12.75
11 RO 12.98
12 IE 13.42
13 PT 13.52
14 NO 13.75
15 North_Italian 13.82
16 South_&_Central_Swedish 13.95
17 Scottish 14.42
18 ES 14.98
19 North_Swedish 16.1
20 Tuscan 17.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.6% West_&_Central_German + 19.4% AJ @ 3.39
2 54.9% English + 45.1% RO @ 3.48
3 51.9% North_Swedish + 48.1% Tuscan @ 3.52
4 76.1% NL + 23.9% GR @ 3.56
5 69.7% DK + 30.3% GR @ 3.69
6 79.1% West_&_Central_German + 20.9% GR @ 3.76
7 55.8% South_&_Central_Swedish + 44.2% Tuscan @ 3.76
8 78.5% NL + 21.5% AJ @ 3.87
9 78.2% West_&_Central_German + 21.8% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.9
10 56.2% NO + 43.8% Tuscan @ 3.95
11 75.3% NL + 24.7% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.97
12 70.6% West_&_Central_German + 29.4% Tuscan @ 4.05
13 59.8% NL + 40.2% RO @ 4.06
14 54.1% North_Italian + 45.9% North_Swedish @ 4.07
15 51% Serbian + 49% English @ 4.19
16 67.3% NO + 32.7% GR @ 4.2
17 68.6% DK + 31.4% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.23
18 65.1% AT + 34.9% FR @ 4.24
19 80.2% AT + 19.8% Tuscan @ 4.29
20 64.1% West_&_Central_German + 35.9% RO @ 4.32

[Lucas]

Population Percent
1 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.14
2 ATLANTIC 19.87
3 WEST_MED 12.53
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.37
5 EAST_EURO 10.55
6 EAST_MED 9.61
7 ASHKENAZI 6.73
8 WEST_ASIAN 4.81
9 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.09
10 SIBERIAN 0.31

2

I think your Askhenazi in Jtest is in range of variability for such component among Romanians, becauve average is 5.66 so logically some have little more, some little less. Although you are half Norwegian, not always componntns are divided in half between child and parents.

You tested your mother?

[Hamlet]

If 23andme doesn't pick it up, I doubt it's real Jude.

[RN97]

I think your Askhenazi in Jtest is in range of variability for such component among Romanians, becauve average is 5.66 so logically some have little more, some little less. Although you are half Norwegian, not always componntns are divided in half between child and parents.

You tested your mother?

Nope but the higest Ive seen a Romanian score is about 8.5 and a Norwegian 4.5

[kingjohn]

Uhmmmm..... WAT?!
MyOrigins:
http://i.imgur.com/D5Qv3L5.png
Ancient Origins:
http://i.imgur.com/HOhwqxh.png

do you score wes asian in eurogenes k13 ?
or north caucasian in eurogenes k36 ?
i am looking for something to explain the 9% asia minor

[Seya]

it's nothing strange about your asia minor. my friend got 15% asia minor and she tested after the update...so i guess it's normal.

[kingjohn]

my Bulgarian matches in family finder score 14-% Asia minor
i guess this element was present in ancient Thracian and Dacia


p.s
the bulgarians are great people
they are not like the other dickheads of europe
they saved the jews in ww2
i am proud to carry there blood

[magicalM]

It is very unlikely that the askenazi is from Norway. Historically they where and still is more videspread in Germany, Poland and some in Hungary. Growing up in Norway I know a very few askenazi descendants. But of course, it cannot be disregarded totally. The interesting thing is that it must have been known. The askenazi cluster is not as old as the other clusters

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[kingjohn]

in his case it is a mistake
as he don't score aschenazi in 23 and me and wegens
so it is not real
just shared genetic signatures with the aschenazi reference ftdna use thats all
but not real aschenazi ancestry
in Romania there was the iron gaurd movement if we going to the time frame of his mother romanian roots
the chance a gentile Romanian will marry a aschenazi jew in this period was close to 0%

regards
Adam

[magicalM]

The askenazi only mixed in the later generations in Europe. One easy way to find out is to look at relatives in the family finder sections. If you have alot of askenazi sounding names, then you probably have some dna from there.

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[RN97]

The askenazi only mixed in the later generations in Europe. One easy way to find out is to look at relatives in the family finder sections. If you have alot of askenazi sounding names, then you probably have some dna from there.

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I score <0.1% on 23andme so probably some minor.

[Freeroostah]

Oh God Oh Jeez :picard1::D

[magicalM]

I score <0.1% on 23andme so probably some minor.
I had Asia minor in my myorigins. After that they updated the myorigins it disappeared. It is tricky and not allways confirming the entire truth. Dnaland is an example. They cannot distinguish between levant dna and askenazi and many got surprised that they had the results that they had.

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[kingjohn]

if he have aschenazi sounding names in family finder
the aschenazi can be real
but i doubt it .....

[magicalM]

if he have aschenazi sounding names in family finder
the aschenazi can be real
but i doubt it .....
I am not saying he is Azkenazi or not. He has some strong arguments that he is not looking at 23andme results. Just giving some clues how to find out. Again, there has to be more than a few. Jewish azkenazi families often married other Jewish families and was an quite isolated group itself (not som much in newer times) A reason for why family tree dna believes that they can make a Jewish cluster out of it on myorigins. The rule that applied when the families intermarried with non Jewish descendents was on the condition that only the female had to be Jewish in marriage. Combining all the knowledge about the family and not at least look at the surnames a few generations back can help to get the answers. But family tree dna have a tendency to put the Jewish sounding names on the top of the list when doing a search (they admit it) Which can sometimes be misleading for people with non Jewish ancestry

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[kingjohn]

if i will have is gedmatch kit number
i can tell you if he have aschenazi segments in some chromosome yes or not
some places in Moldova Kishinev had huge jewish community so the chances for some segments of aschenazi origins is there .
but i don't know about romania ??
a person could have aschenazi segments matches in famil finder and less than 1% aschenazi in my origins 2.0 .
there are some polish catholic i match that i can tell you this there case
kind regards
adam

[RN97]

I am not saying he is Azkenazi or not. He has some strong arguments that he is not looking at 23andme results. Just giving some clues how to find out. Again, there has to be more than a few. Jewish azkenazi families often married other Jewish families and was an quite isolated group itself (not som much in newer times) A reason for why family tree dna believes that they can make a Jewish cluster out of it on myorigins. The rule that applied when the families intermarried with non Jewish descendents was on the condition that only the female had to be Jewish in marriage. Combining all the knowledge about the family and not at least look at the surnames a few generations back can help to get the answers. But family tree dna have a tendency to put the Jewish sounding names on the top of the list when doing a search (they admit it) Which can sometimes be misleading for people with non Jewish ancestry

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Pretty sure there were no jews in Lunca Corbului in the middle of nowhere where my mom's family originates from.

[Nurzat]

Uhmmmm..... WAT?!

I think they overestimate Ashkenazi - a northeast Romanian friend (Neamț county, historical Baia county) got 5%, no known Jewish ancestry, all his grandparents are peasants from the same village's region

[kingjohn]

Jews mainly lived in urban areas not in villages
you got a point eskimo.
regards
adam

[kingjohn]

Pretty sure there were no jews in Lunca Corbului in the middle of nowhere where my mom's family originates from.


i checked your gedmatch kit
no aschenazi segments
don't know from where ftdna gave you 8% aschenazi .....
regards
adam