inglorious bastards

[blan]

inglorious bastards is a film i saw just a few hours ago,
i have to say as a film it is great but i feel it was dehumanizing the german people. in all fairness they had a couple of Germans they made as heroes.
though the heroes of this film would murder unarmed young german foot soldiers and i think they were trying to make it out as if these men deserved it. it very much play off the concepts of the dirty dozen who did the same things as the men in this film inglorious bastards only with more gore.
they had a message , i take it as(( these nazis are hostile and starting problems so we are justified in killing them armed or unarmed and there women and children if need be and we will enjoy it)) it is a look into the twisted mind of american pop culture. so nazis are evil because they unjustly killed people in retaliation to what was unjustly done to them in world war 1 so we should kill them in retaliation in the most unjust cruel fashion.
who are the real instigators?

[The Lawspeaker]

Guess who (http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html) started the whole sequence of events...

[Debaser11]

Hated the movie for obvious reasons. Nazis are scum who can be treated in whatever way Tarrantino's sadistic mind deems fit. Morality doesn't apply. The movie in and of itself (despite its historical pornography) was boring.

[Breedingvariety]

I stopped watching when someone started shouting about how evil Germans were and that they should slaughter German whenever they see one. That was at the beginning of the film if I remember correctly.

[Don Brick]

I thought it was a very good movie but the depiction was obviously rather unrealistic and black and white which gave it an interesting edge. At first I also thought that it was portraying Germans very cruelly but you have to take the film with a grain of salt not as an absolute truth. It´s made the way it is for effect. The only part that really bothered me was that young father getting killed. Most of the German victims were hard boiled high ranking Nazis who probably deserved what they got. Despite all the German bashing (also literally!) I could actually sense a sort of admiration and glorification of them on Tarantino´s part. Even if they were evil in the film they were also quite suave and smooth basterds. :)

[Groenewolf]

Tarrantino might be a member of the same club (http://gossip.celebritycowboy.com/15-smart-celebrities/) as I am, but he only makes crappy movies. I think he once said he makes those kind of movies because they sell.

Now about this movie, not watched, had watched enough of his movies to know it would be mostly blood and gore and little more. Also I have better ways to spend my time then by watching a movie that has been described as Kosher porn.:coffee:

[blan]

I thought it was a very good movie but the depiction was obviously rather unrealistic and black and white which gave it an interesting edge. At first I also thought that it was portraying Germans very cruelly but you have to take the film with a grain of salt not as an absolute truth. It´s made the way it is for effect. The only part that really bothered me was that young father getting killed. Most of the German victims were hard boiled high ranking Nazis who probably deserved what they got. Despite all the German bashing (also literally!) I could actually sense a sort of admiration and glorification of them on Tarantino´s part. Even if they were evil in the film they were also quite suave and smooth basterds. :)

you are right, and i think tarantino may have wanted you to feel a connection with the young father and actually feel shocked and upset when he was shot, i felt upset, but i know your average viewer thinks ((YES KILL THAT german scum)) i cant say for sure what reaction the director intended, but rarely does the media try to portray germans as dumb because it is so obvious that the german people have never been dumb so they need to give them a sense of class even if they are portrayed as evil.
as much as you hated the jew hunter nazi you had to like how smart and slick and charming he was, i think that is why they did not kill him in the end.
but there were several scenes where they just would shoot some German person just because they could.

[Aramis]

I loved the movie. Must be beacuse nobody here gots a burden of guilt towards J00s (or any other minority), nor do they care about Germany's nazi past. :)

[The Ripper]

I hated the movie. :mad:

[Imperivm]

http://www.davidduke.com/general/david-duke-exposes-the-hollywood-basterds_16578.html

I don't want to watch it, from what Duke says it will just make me angry.

[Fortis in Arduis]

American war films are known for being historically inaccurate, and for their political propaganda.

The audience emerges brainwashed, believing that the world can be conquered with a telephone call. :laugh:

Listen : http://www.imperium-europa.org/lowell_speaks/thistory.mp3

[Fintorah]

Tarrantino might be a member of the same club (http://gossip.celebritycowboy.com/15-smart-celebrities/) as I am, but he only makes crappy movies. I think he once said he makes those kind of movies because they sell.

Now about this movie, not watched, had watched enough of his movies to know it would be mostly blood and gore and little more. Also I have better ways to spend my time then by watching a movie that has been described as Kosher porn.:coffee:

Lmao @ those "smart celebrities".

Nicole Kidman – Though Nicole dropped out of college, she has an IQ of 132.

132?! Are you freaking kidding me? I've never had an IQ result under 138, and I've been taking the tests for years. Now we all know 105 or something is average for this country, but people seriously underestimate how stupid most people are...

Tarantino's IQ of 160 is impressive, but it's pretty hard to tell he's that smart. I've watched interviews where he seemed autistic.

[blan]

http://www.davidduke.com/general/david-duke-exposes-the-hollywood-basterds_16578.html

I don't want to watch it, from what Duke says it will just make me angry.

david duke describes many of the feelings i feel about this film.

[blan]

Lmao @ those "smart celebrities".


132?! Are you freaking kidding me? I've never had an IQ result under 138, and I've been taking the tests for years. Now we all know 105 or something is average for this country, but people seriously underestimate how stupid most people are...

Tarantino's IQ of 160 is impressive, but it's pretty hard to tell he's that smart. I've watched interviews where he seemed autistic.

autistic people sometimes are very smart, socially they are idiots but sometimes they are amazingly intelligent

[Fintorah]

autistic people sometimes are very smart, socially they are idiots but sometimes they are amazingly intelligent

Yeah, idiot savants; they can excel at one thing and then just irritate the hell out of me with everything else.

By the way, the majority of autistic kids ARE dumb brats.

[Groenewolf]

autistic people sometimes are very smart, socially they are idiots but sometimes they are amazingly intelligent

Indeed, the so called high-performance autism.

[Svanhild]

Warrior-like Jews killing and humiliating stupid and incapable Germans who fight/act like 24-carat morons? Must be a movie. Only in a movie, as a matter of fact. No need to waste money on this.

[Fortis in Arduis]

Steven Spielberg is a high-functioning autistic.

I am, but I do not have any 'special talents' anymore because none of them made me any money. ;)

[blan]

Yeah, idiot savants; they can excel at one thing and then just irritate the hell out of me with everything else.

By the way, the majority of autistic kids ARE dumb brats.

that is why i said sometimes, there are many different forms of autism, and different levels of it

[Beorn]

The film was mentioned today during break in the office. It was agreed amongst the rest that it was a really good film and another great hit by Tarantino. My opinion was vocalised. It consisted of it being anti-German, cliché and racist.

It just brought a quiet atmosphere and a blank look on people's faces.

[Pallantides]

I haven't watched it and I don't think I ever will.

[Imperivm]

The film was mentioned today during break in the office. It was agreed amongst the rest that it was a really good film and another great hit by Tarantino. My opinion was vocalised. It consisted of it being anti-German, cliché and racist.

It just brought a quiet atmosphere and a blank look on people's faces.

Your not alone.

Off topic (sorry OP) but what is it like dealing with people in everyday life for years and years with the mindset we have. Clearly the kind of things we would say in a conversation that warrants our true opinion means socialising becomes very hard. How do you lot hold a serious job and friends without being socially withdrawn? This is how it feels with me anyway, things are not the same with the friends I have had for years as they are now as I have 'got smarter', and the same goes for most other new people I come across.

It seems we a destined to be social freaks until we all are shot/hung or overthrow the plutocracy. :grumpy:

[Turkophagos]

http://www.bscreview.com/wp-content/gallery/inglourious-basterds-stills/inglourious-basterds-stills3.jpg


Best characther in any movie I've watched the last couple of years. Good movie.

[Beorn]

Off topic (sorry OP) but what is it like dealing with people in everyday life for years and years with the mindset we have.

Aslong as the person hasn't had the misfortune to have gone through further education and has a good solid European background, the grouping of "white" males will always steer towards the subjects of race and politics. With the absence of any one who isn't "one of us", the discussion will be truthful and very uplifting.

The people are there in numbers alright.


Clearly the kind of things we would say in a conversation that warrants our true opinion means socialising becomes very hard.

It is very often you'll hear a lot of "racist" remarks in my line of work. It is a very confused people though. One was very bold in his disgust of mixed race unions, immigrants and foreigners (a typical Englishman in other words) but later showed disgust at a bloke he knew who was a racist????


How do you lot hold a serious job and friends without being socially withdrawn?
...

It seems we a destined to be social freaks until we all are shot/hung or overthrow the plutocracy. :grumpy:

Do you like construction work? The place to be, my friend. :thumb001:

[curiousman]

I'm not going to watch it

[blan]

The film was mentioned today during break in the office. It was agreed amongst the rest that it was a really good film and another great hit by Tarantino. My opinion was vocalised. It consisted of it being anti-German, cliché and racist.

It just brought a quiet atmosphere and a blank look on people's faces.

i know the feeling, everyone looks at you as if you must be crazy for speaking out against the stereotypes put on people of European nation and violence inflicted upon them, now you look like a weirdo /racist in there eyes,
but it feels good to speak the truth and smash the misconceptions brainwashed sheep cling to

[Beorn]

i know the feeling, everyone looks at you as if you must be crazy for speaking out

The sad thing about it all is the sadness is not through what you say, but because:

1) You sounded clever amongst idiots.

and,

2) You went beyond the ring of social acceptability.

Either one has never bothered me. If you're a fat, ugly cunt, I'll tell you to your face that you're a fat, ugly cunt. :thumb001:

[blan]

Your not alone.

Off topic (sorry OP) but what is it like dealing with people in everyday life for years and years with the mindset we have. Clearly the kind of things we would say in a conversation that warrants our true opinion means socialising becomes very hard. How do you lot hold a serious job and friends without being socially withdrawn? This is how it feels with me anyway, things are not the same with the friends I have had for years as they are now as I have 'got smarter', and the same goes for most other new people I come across.

It seems we a destined to be social freaks until we all are shot/hung or overthrow the plutocracy. :grumpy:

try my life man, i know it is not easy but it is almost impossible for me to talk about racial and cultural feelings in a open honest way with anyone, there are maybe 10 other whites i can share my hardships and frustrations with everyone else are white guilt ridden americans and europeans, and canadians who want me to talk about how black people have it so hard and how all whites should feel guilty and give all they have to them,
i have to bite my lip and live in silence if i want to survive

[blan]

http://www.bscreview.com/wp-content/gallery/inglourious-basterds-stills/inglourious-basterds-stills3.jpg


Best characther in any movie I've watched the last couple of years. Good movie.

it is true he was quit the character

[blan]

Aslong as the person hasn't had the misfortune to have gone through further education and has a good solid European background, the grouping of "white" males will always steer towards the subjects of race and politics. With the absence of any one who isn't "one of us", the discussion will be truthful and very uplifting.

The people are there in numbers alright.



It is very often you'll hear a lot of "racist" remarks in my line of work. It is a very confused people though. One was very bold in his disgust of mixed race unions, immigrants and foreigners (a typical Englishman in other words) but later showed disgust at a bloke he knew who was a racist????



Do you like construction work? The place to be, my friend. :thumb001:

i would be much better off in the blue collar field in a different country that is

[anonymaus]

Inglourious Basterds was an enjoyable film, and it was crafted with palpable love for cinema. The plot was at times very serious (the opening scene) and other times very silly (the scene in the cinema). I don't understand people who cannot separate entertainment from worldview.

I've never been afraid to expose myself to ideas and concepts with which I might disagree, as I am not a feeble-minded coward.

[Monolith]

I refuse to watch it because I'm fed up with WW2 crap.

[Guapo]

Chaos A.D.
Tanks on the streets
Confronting police
Bleeding the plebs
Raging crowd
Burning cars
Bloodshed stars
Who'll be alive?!

Chaos A.D.
Army in siege
Total alarm
I'm sick of this
Inside the state
War is created
No man's land
What's this shit?!

Refuse/resist
Refuse

[blan]

Inglourious Basterds was an enjoyable film, and it was crafted with palpable love for cinema. The plot was at times very serious (the opening scene) and other times very silly (the scene in the cinema). I don't understand people who cannot separate entertainment from worldview.

I've never been afraid to expose myself to ideas and concepts with which I might disagree, as I am not a feeble-minded coward.

nor am i that is why i watched it i feel it had redeeming quality but i was questioning its concept

[Aemma]

I thought it was a very good movie but the depiction was obviously rather unrealistic and black and white which gave it an interesting edge. At first I also thought that it was portraying Germans very cruelly but you have to take the film with a grain of salt not as an absolute truth. It´s made the way it is for effect. The only part that really bothered me was that young father getting killed. Most of the German victims were hard boiled high ranking Nazis who probably deserved what they got. Despite all the German bashing (also literally!) I could actually sense a sort of admiration and glorification of them on Tarantino´s part. Even if they were evil in the film they were also quite suave and smooth basterds. :)

Bang on the money!

Gods it's a Tarantino film for crying out loud!! LOL Since when is film supposed to always be balanced about the subject it treats or factual for that matter? It's a movie made for effect. Not a documentary. If anything Tarantino does a pretty good job of parodying the whole "Imma get me some Nazis" type of ideology. I thought it was brilliant and entertaining. And that Austrian actor was stupendous in his role.

[Grumpy Cat]

This movie is strictly for entertainment (and I didn't like it, but whatever).

Anyways, the part where Brad Pitt's character tries to speak Italian is hilarious.

[Aramis]

Austrian actor was stupendous in his role.

Christoph Walz? He's Austrian.

[Aemma]

Christoph Walz? He's Austrian.
Oops! You're right. Let me change that. For the record we were talking about the same guy though. And gimme a break, I just woke up.

[Debaser11]

Some of you sound like the people who excuse rap music that is obviously over the top or other corrosive forms of media. Sure that media is "not to be taken seriously," but it still has an effect on people's minds in some way. Just like that Swedish race mixing video. It's making fun of people like me who think whites are in danger but the underlying message is still one of political propaganda that really does affect people in the end. The same with this movie. It's over the top. But it's still an unjustified potshot at Germans that no other people would be so guilt ridden to tolerate. The subtext to the film is this: Sure, they weren't that bad but they were pretty close (most of them) so this over the top portrayal is fitting. Don't believe me? Imagine other groups being portrayed in this manner. The result? Pure indignation.


I think our German friends have suffered enough. Just pretend that this "fun" "enjoyable" movie was ridiculing any other ethnicity. Seriously. Like Brennus said, this movie was racist. I also found it to be boring, offensive (for other reasons) and it does have a negative effect on the white community.


EVERYTHING has an affect on people.

[blan]

Some of you sound like the people who excuse rap music that is obviously over the top or other corrosive forms of media. Sure that media is "not to be taken seriously," but it still has an effect on people's minds in some way. Just like that Swedish race mixing video. It's making fun of people like me who think whites are in danger but the underlying message is still one of political propaganda that really does affect people in the end. The same with this movie. It's over the top. But it's still an unjustified potshot at Germans that no other people would be so guilt ridden to tolerate. The subtext to the film is this: Sure, they weren't that bad but they were pretty close (most of them) so this over the top portrayal is fitting. Don't believe me? Imagine other groups being portrayed in this manner. The result? Pure indignation.


I think our German friends have suffered enough. Just pretend that this "fun" "enjoyable" movie was ridiculing any other ethnicity. Seriously. Like Brennus said, this movie was racist. I also found it to be boring, offensive (for other reasons) and it does have a negative effect on the white community.


EVERYTHING has an affect on people.

i agree i think it had an agenda, and if they were strictly killing hardcore ss nazis than i wouldnt think it was bad but they much more had a rampage mentality.

[Aemma]

Some of you sound like the people who excuse rap music that is obviously over the top or other corrosive forms of media. Sure that media is "not to be taken seriously," but it still has an effect on people's minds in some way. Just like that Swedish race mixing video. It's making fun of people like me who think whites are in danger but the underlying message is still one of political propaganda that really does affect people in the end. The same with this movie. It's over the top. But it's still an unjustified potshot at Germans that no other people would be so guilt ridden to tolerate. The subtext to the film is this: Sure, they weren't that bad but they were pretty close (most of them) so this over the top portrayal is fitting. Don't believe me? Imagine other groups being portrayed in this manner. The result? Pure indignation.


I think our German friends have suffered enough. Just pretend that this "fun" "enjoyable" movie was ridiculing any other ethnicity. Seriously. Like Brennus said, this movie was racist. I also found it to be boring, offensive (for other reasons) and it does have a negative effect on the white community.


EVERYTHING has an affect on people.

Seriously D11? It's a flippin' movie. Next you'll tell me watching Hogan's Heroes re-runs is going to be a "crime against Germanity"! Give me a bloody break. :rolleyes: You do remember your own boys fought in this war right? And you do remember which side they were on, don't you?

Sorry but I'm way smarter than I seem to come across to you. I'm not weak-willed and can differentiate between things in life and I certainly don't need somebody who doesn't know a flip about me telling me how to think about certain issues. I derive my own conclusions by my own powers of thought and reasoning, thanks ever so much.

[Debaser11]

Seriously D11? It's a flippin' movie. Next you'll tell me watching Hogan's Heroes re-runs is going to be a "crime against Germanity"!

My point was that everything has an effect on people. Portraying Germans as people worthy of animal treatment even if it's supposedly satire is a far cry from a bland comedy. So Hogan's Heroes has an effect, but I'd argue it doesn't justify violence the way the Tarrantino film does. But blan asked about this movie so Hogan's Heroes is neither here nor there. I'm sure I could write about how Hogan's Heroes, despite being an amusing show, has played some role (even if subtle) in perpetuating a misunderstanding about WWII.

You don't see the difference between a dry comedy and a movie where the premise is literally for the protagonists to indiscriminately kill a group of people while that group is portrayed almost without exception as being a bunch of sociopaths?


Give me a bloody break. :rolleyes: You do remember your own boys fought in this war right? And you do remember which side they were on, don't you?

Sure. But I can still be honest: they should not have been sacrificed in the name of such nonsense. Me thinking Germans have gotten a raw deal (even if I don't think they were angels themselves) doesn't mean I don't value the people who served my country in combat. So should I not say Vietnam was a mistake? I mean, my "boys" fought there too? Or is it cool to hate on my boys when they ain't skinning Nazzis like Brad Pitt?


Sorry but I'm way smarter than I seem to come across to you.

That's not how I meant it at all. No one can just decide how a piece of media will affect them consciously or unconsciously. That's all I meant.


I'm not weak-willed and can differentiate between things in life and I certainly don't need somebody who doesn't know a flip about me telling me how to think about certain issues.

I have no idea why you are affirming to me that you're not weak-willed. I never insinuated that you were. But you're not a super being. The trappings that I refer to apply to all people.

And I'm not telling you how to think. I'm not even telling you what the movie will do to you. But I can make a pretty good guess that the overall net effect the movie will have on Western culture will be to further dehumanize the people who wore a German Wehrmacht uniform between 1933 and 1945. And I'm certain that effect will make a large chunk of whites weary of the past. And I'm sure that type of weariness toward your own heritage is not healthy if preservation is the aim.

The German nation state was the largest nation state in Western Europe. If the psyche of that nation remains crippled, that's not good for whites. Period. I don't see how this movie isn't another log thrown on the guilt bonfire even if it's not Schindler's List.


I derive my own conclusions by my own powers of thought and reasoning, thanks ever so much.

I don't think anyone is as powerful with regards to their own thoughts as you imply. How much of your thought do you control? If you say "most," that's more than me, that's for sure.

[Bloodeagle]

I felt the movie was absolutely over-the-top entertainment. :thumb001:

If the shoe was on the other foot and Tarantino's movie was about Germans killing Americans with the help of the American Indians and their tomahawks, I still would have laughed my ass off. :D

[Aemma]

My point was that everything has an effect on people. Portraying Germans as people worthy of animal treatment even if it's supposedly satire is a far cry from a bland comedy. So Hogan's Heroes has an effect, but I'd argue it doesn't justify violence the way the Tarrantino film does. But blan asked about this movie so Hogan's Heroes is neither here nor there. I'm sure I could write about how Hogan's Heroes, despite being an amusing show, has played some role (even if subtle) in perpetuating a misunderstanding about WWII.

Honestly I think you think that people are in the main stupid and they are not. People do have brains. That they don't think like you all the time doesn't mean they have not thought things out for themselves.


You don't see the difference between a dry comedy and a movie where the premise is literally for the protagonists to indiscriminately kill a group of people while that group is portrayed almost without exception as being a bunch of sociopaths?

It's called artistic license. Ever hear of it?


Sure. But I can still be honest: they should not have been sacrificed in the name of such nonsense. Me thinking Germans have gotten a raw deal (even if I don't think they were angels themselves) doesn't mean I don't value the people who served my country in combat. So should I not say Vietnam was a mistake? I mean, my "boys" fought there too? Or is it cool to hate on my boys when they ain't skinning Nazzis like Brad Pitt?

Nah nah nah...you cannot bring yet another issue into this debate. We're talking about WWII here and Nazi Germany and your take on an idiotic Tarantino movie. Do not insult me by leading me down an argumentative garden path with the war in Vietnam. That type of argumentation is bogus.


That's not how I meant it at all. No one can just decide how a piece of media will affect them consciously or unconsciously. That's all I meant.

Yes and we're all addle-minded twits who cannot watch anything critically. Yes I get what you said.


I have no idea why you are affirming to me that you're not weak-willed. I never insinuated that you were. But you're not a super being. The trappings that I refer to apply to all people.

Uh yeah you did insinuate such a thing. And I never said nor claimed I was a super being.


And I'm not telling you how to think. I'm not even telling you what the movie will do to you. But I can make a pretty good guess that the overall net effect the movie will have on Western culture will be to further dehumanize the people who wore a German Wehrmacht uniform between 1933 and 1945. And I'm certain that effect will make a large chunk of whites weary of the past. And I'm sure that type of weariness toward your own heritage is not healthy if preservation is the aim.

Seriously, wasn't your entire post just that, telling people what watching this movie would do in the end? You're the one that brought in the concept of "effect" into this discussion not me.


The German nation state was the largest nation state in Western Europe. If the psyche of that nation remains crippled, that's not good for whites. Period. I don't see how this movie isn't another log thrown on the guilt bonfire even if it's not Schindler's List.

Seriously, they need to get over themselves and move the hell on. I do see some of that but honestly not merely enough. All I regularly see is a victim mentality that is constantly being perpetuated by all well-intended folk. We're hurting them as much as they are hurting themselves in the end. Few will agree with me on this and I don't really give a flip. Most people love to live in the past and the past is NOT where gains are made. Buck up, own up to your mistakes and move the hell on. That's how it's done effectively, not this whingeing on about the atrocities committed by the Allies in all of this. It's the past. Over and done with. Move the hell on and show the world what you're really made of!

By the way, I have no white guilt about this or about anything else. And I'll be godsdamned if watching a bloody movie is gonna make me start developing some.


I don't think anyone is as powerful with regards to their own thoughts as you imply. How much of your thought do you control? If you say "most," that's more than me, that's for sure.

No that's why I wear a tin foil hat, didn't you know? :D

[Curtis24]

I thought that Tarantino was trying to make some statement about moral absolutism - that ordinary people who work for a corrupted government are themselves complicit in the government's sins, even if they don't directly take part in them. This is why the basterds saw German grunt soldiers as being "Nazis".

And of course, that furthermore such people deserve death..

[blan]

[QUOTE=Aemma;307730]Honestly I think you think that people are in the main stupid and they are not. People do have brains. That they don't think like you all the time doesn't mean they have not thought things out for themselves.


i dont disagree with you or debaser on this subject, my feeling is yes it was entertainment period.
but the truth is there are many people in american society that would rejoice if Germans were killed and suffered horrible deaths i speak from experience.
when i was studying in the usa we watched the film saving private ryan in school, the scene in the intro of the film where the two german soldiers have there hands up and are surrendering and then the two americans shoot them dead and laugh and steal there belongings. when the subject of killing those two men was brought up in a group disccusion i said (( that was horrible you dont shoot men who are giving up and unarmed that is a war crime)) people began to laugh at me and said ((are you a idiot!)) those nazis commited more war crimes than anyone)) i replied (( those nazis? i was not talking about hitler or any high ranking sadist i was talking about two german soldiers who had there hands up how do you even know if they were nazis how do you know what there ideals where)) when they began to attack all the german people and one guy said we should have carpet bombed them all and killed everyone of them! i said(( the german people are wonderful amazing people and anyone who would attempt to do that is the one who is evil and a hypocrite)) the only response left was your a nazi!! if i said if being against the genralization and want to destroy an entire people makes me a nazi then sieg heil! they did not grasp the irony of the situation i thought they were smart enough to but i was wrong. the teacher kicked me out of class and told me to never come back.
this is the sick mindset of school systems and many people in the american public.

[Curtis24]

that must have been one of the shittier schools, blan.

the irony is that, in that scene where the two soldiers try to surrender, they're actually speaking Polish! they were supposed to be conscripted soldiers.

[Wyn]

If anything Tarantino does a pretty good job of parodying the whole "Imma get me some Nazis" type of ideology.

It had its odd moments in that respect. The scene in which a calm and steady German officer goes quietly to his death at the hands of a psychopath with a baseball bat known as the 'Bear Jew' is one.

It was ridiculously OTT at times but you come to expect that with Tarantino (which I say as someone who's a huge fan of many of his films - it often does work). IB wasn't one of his best flicks. Towards the end it seemed like he had run out of ideas and I found it quite unenjoyable really... A promising start that didn't end as well as it should've.

All things considered though, if I was a German, I know I'd hate it.

And I concur with the statements praising Christoph Waltz's performance.

[lei.talk]

The character Standartenführer Hans Landa (Christoph Waltz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Waltz)) was named after a repeat customer of Quentin Tarantino when he worked at Video Archive, a now defunct video rental store in Manhattan Beach. The customer's name was, in fact, Hans Landa, who was an Austrian immigrant. Tarantino bonded with Landa over their love of foreign films. Upon hearing of Landa's death, Tarantino paid his respects to Mr. Hans Landa by naming the character in Inglorious Basterds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inglourious_Basterds) after him.


...worked in a video rental store before becoming a filmmaker,
paid close attention to the types of films people liked to rent,
and has cited that experience as inspiration for his directorial career.

[Svanhild]

Inglourious Basterds was an enjoyable film, and it was crafted with palpable love for cinema. The plot was at times very serious (the opening scene) and other times very silly (the scene in the cinema). I don't understand people who cannot separate entertainment from worldview.
You would see the issue different if you actually had grandfathers who fought as Wehrmacht soldiers and had to experience most of the things shown in the video, except for the overdone sequences.

How many Hollywood or movies in general try to present the Germans in a neutral or objective light? Almost no one. Every movie you guys see portray the WW2 Germans as uncompromising and malicious monsters. Missing Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, etc. etc. As a matter of fact, it HAS an influence on how people think of Germans up to the very day.

Those who laugh while watching movies like Inglorious Basterds became victims of endless anti-germanism and doesn't even realize it anymore.

Let's make a 120 min movie about mutilating, incinerating, beheading and crippling evil Canadian mounties and we'll see how many Canucks laugh and have fun. Especially those who have a mounty in their family who has been killed or crippled. And almost every German family has a former Wehrmacht or SS soldier in the family line.

[Megrez]

From personal experience, most people are unconscious robots waiting for programming. Media is the most powerful programming tool, and a movie portraying Nazi Germans as beasts deserving hideous deaths, no wonder what will be its effect on the masses.

I haven't watched the movie, not interested so far. I might watch it though, when I have nothing better to occupy my bandwidth with. Since, under the light of the issue pulled by anonymaus, I can distinguish entertainment from worldview.

[Smaland]

American war films are known for being historically inaccurate, and for their political propaganda.

The audience emerges brainwashed, believing that the world can be conquered with a telephone call. :laugh:

Listen : http://www.imperium-europa.org/lowell_speaks/thistory.mp3

With certain exceptions, war movies all but went out of fashion in Hollywood after the mid-1970's. Before that time, film producers had to work within the budgets they were given, which were usually not very big. Therefore, it was not possible for war movies to be accurate down to the last detail. For example, The Battle of the Bulge (1966) used Patton tanks to depict German Tigers, Panthers, and Pzkw Mark IV's. The film production company simply didn't have enough money to search throughout Europe for all the surviving German armor it could find. So it used Pattons instead, painted in German markings.

Another way that the studios saved money was to use combat film instead of shooting their own sequences. Anyone who has seen war movies from those days would be able to notice when a film switched from a studio sequence to combat film; combat film was noticeably older and grainier. Again, film makers simply didn't have the money to shoot their own sequences at all times, because they didn't have $100M budgets. But audiences understood that, so they didn't let it distract them from the historical account shown onscreen.

A third way in which these films were "inaccurate" had to with the ethical code to which the studios were bound. It would have been unthinkable for films to show people being burned alive in every excruciating detail, or being beaten to death in slow motion. Hollywood and the war veterans both knew exactly what had really happened; they knew the score. But they wanted to spare audiences, particularly women and children, from the graphic violence that 100% reality would have required.

*****

When a nation is at war, its film industry will make propaganda films to keep up morale on the home front, and Hollywood has been no exception. But beyond this, I'm sure that Hollywood was as historically accurate as anyone, and war movies were not made to make Americans feel as though they could walk on water. It did make films that honored the heroism of self-sacrifice, and it chose to make films about historical events with "happy" endings. However, I can't think of any film where they systematically and deliberately distorted the truth.

One of the best war movies of that time was Tora Tora Tora (1970), an account of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The film has no superstars, so that the event itself could be the real star of the movie. It was historically accurate. The American characters were shown to be human, not supermen who never made mistakes. It had a large enough budget ($8M, which might be over $40M today) so that no combat film was necessary. There was even enough money to take some AT-6 Texan trainers and modify them to look like the Japanese aircraft that made the attack. The film is a high-water mark in the use of special effects. The Japanese actors spoke Japanese, and English subtitles were used. In effect, the movie was a docudrama, and it was excellent. I don't think that anyone would ever do a better job with this subject matter.

[Don Brick]

You would see the issue different if you actually had grandfathers who fought as Wehrmacht soldiers and had to experience most of the things shown in the video, except for the overdone sequences.

How many Hollywood or movies in general try to present the Germans in a neutral or objective light? Almost no one. Every movie you guys see portray the WW2 Germans as uncompromising and malicious monsters. Missing Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, etc. etc. As a matter of fact, it HAS an influence on how people think of Germans up to the very day.

Those who laugh while watching movies like Inglorious Basterds became victims of endless anti-germanism and doesn't even realize it anymore.

Let's make a 120 min movie about mutilating, incinerating, beheading and crippling evil Canadian mounties and we'll see how many Canucks laugh and have fun. Especially those who have a mounty in their family who has been killed or crippled. And almost every German family has a former Wehrmacht or SS soldier in the family line.

Exactly how do "Band of Brothers" and "Saving Private Ryan" portray Germans as "uncompromising and malicious monsters"? If anything those two productions showed wrongdoings of the Americans.

[blan]

posted something funny but i realize it will cause drama had to remove it

[SaxonCeorl]

I like some of Tarantino's films, which lead me to buy Basterds on DVD. I'm glad I didn't see it in theatres because I would've walked right out of it. The first scene was brilliant from a film-making perspective, but it made me uncomfortable for those innocent Jews to die. Once it got to the "baseball bat" scene I took the DVD out of the tray, broke it in two, and threw it away. I can't tolerate seeing my people be abused in such a way.


Gods it's a Tarantino film for crying out loud!! LOL Since when is film supposed to always be balanced about the subject it treats or factual for that matter? It's a movie made for effect. Not a documentary.

This is different; Tarantino's other films are purely fiction. In Basterds, on the other hand, the excessive and mutilative violence is symbolically being thrust upon a generation of real people.

My God, I'm surprised at the number of people here who tolerate such self-hatred. If you replaced Germans with non-whites in that movie, Tarantino would be in jail right now for attempting to incite racial violence.


You would see the issue different if you actually had grandfathers who fought as Wehrmacht soldiers and had to experience most of the things shown in the video, except for the overdone sequences.

How many Hollywood or movies in general try to present the Germans in a neutral or objective light? Almost no one. Every movie you guys see portray the WW2 Germans as uncompromising and malicious monsters. Missing Private Ryan, Band of Brothers, etc. etc. As a matter of fact, it HAS an influence on how people think of Germans up to the very day.

Those who laugh while watching movies like Inglorious Basterds became victims of endless anti-germanism and doesn't even realize it anymore.

Let's make a 120 min movie about mutilating, incinerating, beheading and crippling evil Canadian mounties and we'll see how many Canucks laugh and have fun. Especially those who have a mounty in their family who has been killed or crippled. And almost every German family has a former Wehrmacht or SS soldier in the family line.

I agree completely. The sad thing, though, is that this anti-German propaganda has been taken so far that a lot of post-WWII Germans themselves are swept away in it. If you search on Google, you'll see that Germans generally praised Inglorious Basterds, yet had a problem with Tom Cruise's Valkyrie, which I think was an honorable and respectable film about an honorable German. Go figure.


Exactly how do "Band of Brothers" and "Saving Private Ryan" portray Germans as "uncompromising and malicious monsters"? If anything those two productions showed wrongdoings of the Americans.

How? In SPR, Spielberg is clearly trying to dehumanize the Germans by portraying them as these zombie-like monsters with shaved heads (which is very inaccurate considering that most WWII German soldiers kept their hair a lot longer on top than did the Americans).

Even if you don't support the German position in WWII, the soldiers shouldn't be seen any differently than American soldiers from Vietnam when we were "the bad guys."

The best portrayal I've seen from a WWII film is in "A Bridge Too Far," with the German General Bittrich granting the British a ceasefire to collect their wounded and offering Col. Frost some food when he captures him and his men.

[aherne]

inglorious bastards is a film i saw just a few hours ago,
i have to say as a film it is great but i feel it was dehumanizing the german people. in all fairness they had a couple of Germans they made as heroes.
though the heroes of this film would murder unarmed young german foot soldiers and i think they were trying to make it out as if these men deserved it. it very much play off the concepts of the dirty dozen who did the same things as the men in this film inglorious bastards only with more gore.
they had a message , i take it as(( these nazis are hostile and starting problems so we are justified in killing them armed or unarmed and there women and children if need be and we will enjoy it)) it is a look into the twisted mind of american pop culture. so nazis are evil because they unjustly killed people in retaliation to what was unjustly done to them in world war 1 so we should kill them in retaliation in the most unjust cruel fashion.
who are the real instigators?

This "Jewish wet dream" educates everybody into the kind of people Jews are! Shame on nations who have shed blood for these demons.

[Gamera]

Wow, I had never thought people would take the movie so seriously... I enjoyed the movie a lot. Don't take it too seriously, guys. I guess it depends on the taste of each one but oh well.

[Debaser11]

Honestly I think you think that people are in the main stupid and they are not. People do have brains. That they don't think like you all the time doesn't mean they have not thought things out for themselves.

I do think people (plurality) are stupid. The masses are stupid. The masses are not critical thinkers. The masses elect morons. The masses partake in lowbrow humor and lowbrow sensibilities. That doesn't mean I think individuals are by default stupid. But mass collective consciousness most certainly is, though. It always has been and always will be. It's just a fact of life no matter how much education or awareness programs are pushed. Mass consciousness at best reflects the peak of the bell curve but seems to look down rather than up. The fact that culture can be shaped in all sorts of ways (even when it undermines the group it claims to serve) should be indicative of just how smart "people" are. It's not just conservative curmudgeons on the right that say this type of thing, either. Check out what people like Gore Vidal have to say about the wisdom of "the people."




It's called artistic license. Ever hear of it?

Certainly. That doesn't mean I have to like it because it's "artistic license." Isn't any work of fiction riddled with it by definition? The fact that the director took license does not make my criticism about the movie's likely effects on the culture invalid. The fact of the matter is that Nazis were very real. And people tend to view even fictional portrayals of historical entities as extensions. I do. I assume my brain works like other people's brains for the most part. Truth and fiction (even when over the top) is not so easy to separate especially once images and experiences get filed away deep in our subconscious and shape our opinions without us even realizing it. I believe this plays a role in forming our intuitions. This is not simply a matter of looking at the screen and recognizing that something is fiction.



Nah nah nah...you cannot bring yet another issue into this debate.

Bring another issue? I was addressing something you said to me, not starting a conversation concerning the details of other wars. You implied that it was wrong for me to sympathize with Germany because I am an American. You asked me if I remembered "what side" I was on or something to that effect as if I were somehow acting in a disloyal manner for trying to view the situation which brought about WWII objectively. My mentioning of the Vietnam War is not me trying to change the subject, but rather, an attempt to show you that being a jingo and supporting your country's actions in a war by default is nonsensical.

If you accept that I can be critical of other wars my country has been involved in (which I'm assuming you do), why do you imply that I am somehow being less than patriotic for applying the same critical thought with respect to my country and WWII?


We're talking about WWII here and Nazi Germany and your take on an idiotic Tarantino movie. Do not insult me by leading me down an argumentative garden path with the war in Vietnam. That type of argumentation is bogus.

What? Argumentative path garden? How did I insult you? :confused::confused: Seriously. You don't like that I disagree with you on the subject; I really don't see where you're getting it in your head that I'm trying to insult you unless disagreeing with someone amounts to insulting them.

We're on a discussion board, no? Disagreements are bound to arise among people. I'm not trying to demean you personally.


Yes and we're all addle-minded twits who cannot watch anything critically. Yes I get what you said.

I'm sorry? What? I happen to think influence is nebulous and impossible to pin down in totality. I don't know what all influences me but I assume everything I come into contact with does on some level one way or another even without me realizing it. I assume that also applies to everyone. I don't know how this can be twisted into me intimating that everyone is an "addle-minded twit."

Furthermore, the fact that people are not sitting around on their couches to read the historical record about WWII does not make them "twits" or whatever. There's only so much time in the day and not everyone who happens to have a good head on their shoulders enjoys history or the subject of WWII. I'd wager that most people get their views about Nazis from sources outside of primary texts and historical facts just like they do on any other historical matter. What I've come to discover over the last couple of years (much to my own dismay) is that much of this media is misleading or simply embellished to such an extent that it verges on historical pornography. I would say most media that people come into contact with regarding WWII migrates between fact and Allied propaganda that masquerades as historical fact. To give you a couple of extreme examples, the Zionist-funded Hitler's Henchmen (which distorts every Nazi officer the series covers in such a cartoonish manner that it would make Stan Lee blush) still airs regularly on the History Channel and I recently saw a Holocaust documentary on PBS that still talked about lampshades from Jewish skin.

Before I started reading up on the subject more, most of my views came from the likes of Elie Wiesel (on the Holocaust) who has been utterly disproven, my high school history textbook, fictional media about Nazis (including but not limited to popular movies like The Boys From Brazil and Apt Pupil), and very biased accounts from the likes of the History Channel and other marketable writers who did not wish to tackle controversial viewpoints for obvious reasons. I'd wager to say most of us form our views on the subject based on what we're taught in high school and then the media reinforces it in all sorts of ways that are impossible to identify in a complete manner. This is not me trying to evoke a conspiracy theory. But the mind makes sense of things in ways we ourselves aren't even fully conscious of.

I don't see how someone can watch a movie like this Tarrantino film and not at the very least have his already skewed view of the conflict (which he inherited not because he's a "twit" but because this is the view that's propagated) at the very least reinforced. Is that not what propaganda does? Or do you just believe that films you find entertaining exist in a realm outside of what can be considered propaganda? Take a look at some of the old WWII bumpers that depict Germans and Japanese. Do you not think that people even sixty some odd years ago would not recognize that they were over the top to some degree? Certainly everyone on the Allied side knew that Merry Melodies and Disney wartime depictions of enemy armies were not meant to be factually accurrate the way the NY Times is supposed to be. Do you think people didn't realize there was a tongue in cheek element to them even in 1944? What mattered was the propaganda with the evil dark German hand going for the baby in the crib or the squinty Jap with devil horns resonated. Entertainment is often the best vehicle for propaganda and I'd argue that it's nearly impossible not to find propagandizing in one form or another within any intelligible story whether it's over the top or written in a "realistic" Tom Clancy sense.



Uh yeah you did insinuate such a thing. And I never said nor claimed I was a super being.

Would you kindly point out where I do so? And I never implied that you said you were a super being. My point was that I think a person would have to be a super being not to have this movie or a steady diet of such movies and propaganda affect them one way or another. And I tend to think gratuitous violence (particularly when the backdrop for the story is a real historical event) is not healthy. (I'm not even crazy about the Call Of Duty games, actually.) I think I've been clear about what I feel the likely consequences are for the West over time if this type of entertainment persists.


Seriously, wasn't your entire post just that, telling people what watching this movie would do in the end? You're the one that brought in the concept of "effect" into this discussion not me.

I never claimed to know the exact effect it would have on each person. But I hardly think it's outlandish to say that the net effect it will have on the whole of Western culture will tend more toward blackening the perception of the German Werhmacht or at the very least further reinforcing people's views about a conflict that is hardly as simple as it appears to be on the surface given what the mainstream media pushes. Furthermore, I believe this popular conception of the second European civil war has much to do with Europe's anemic sense of ethnicity.

Post structuralism/deconstruction and all that popular relativist philosophy that grabbed Europe by storm in particular after WWII skews away from essentialism and identity. It is a response to the horrors (real and imagined) that were committed during WWII. And the result of the post WWII mindset Europe has adapted has been disasterous. No civilization can survive let alone thrive long term when it's so relativist it can just be pushed aside by the likes of third world barbarians. And as long as movies like the one discussed resonate on some level, I fear Europe's chances for making any kind of recovery.


Seriously, they need to get over themselves and move the hell on. I do see some of that but honestly not merely enough. All I regularly see is a victim mentality that is constantly being perpetuated by all well-intended folk.

I see a very guilt ridden nation (as opposed to victim-posturing one such as Israel or Palestine or Haiti or any former colonial nation) that still pays war reparations without as much as a peep. You have Germans alive today who never did anything paying Jews in Israel who never suffered. Germany never even mentions Allied atrocities, either. For every loud patriotic German (like the few who post here) there are tens of thousands of people like Martin Boremann's son who nearly tear up when they are even asked about their past. There are people who served honorably during WWII as Nazis who died thinking they were monsters.

I don't believe in treating the Germans like victims, either. I don't wish to give them anything. I owe them nothing. Me pointing out that a movie further stomps on the German pysche is hardly treating them with kid gloves.


We're hurting them as much as they are hurting themselves in the end. Few will agree with me on this and I don't really give a flip. Most people love to live in the past and the past is NOT where gains are made. Buck up, own up to your mistakes and move the hell on.

I think they have moved on for the most part. It's the rest of the world who still smears the ugly WWII stereotypes on them. They sure as hell aren't making movies about Allied atrocities the way the Japanese (who were monsters compared to the Germans) make movies about Allied atrocities. It's Hollywood and Allied media propaganda who don't let the Germans move on. It's the Holocaust industry (which even the honorable Jew Norman Finkelstein writes about) and the U.S. in particular with its big old war base in Germany that won't let them move on.

I'm learning German right now and I had a buddy insinuate that I was training to be a Nazi. A whole culture and people and that's the first thing that pops into his head? Do you think that's some accident or completely random or uncommon? Even though he was half-kidding, do you think that that perception is uncommon or that it just arose out of nothing? I mean, it's 2010 and that's the first thing he said when I told him I was dropping Spanish in favor of German (because I admire German philosophy and culture).

And also, we're talking about a movie that centers around a past conflict. WWII is the setting. Hitler and Goebbels appear in cartoon form in the movie. We're not having this discussion about Germans or Europeans in a thread entitled "where do we go from here" or anything like that.


That's how it's done effectively, not this whingeing on about the atrocities committed by the Allies in all of this. It's the past. Over and done with. Move the hell on and show the world what you're really made of!

I think Germany has done that. I don't think me expressing my disgust at this movie's "artistic license" or pontificating about the (indirect) deleterious affects such media has on whites' inablity to muster up any ethnic pride amounts to "whining on about the atrocities."

You think the movie is entertaining and that people can just see it as entertainment. While true to an extent, I think it's never quite that simple with any media. People are sponges.


By the way, I have no white guilt about this or about anything else. And I'll be godsdamned if watching a bloody movie is gonna make me start developing some.

Well, I never really made that argument.



No that's why I wear a tin foil hat, didn't you know? :D

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[Smaland]

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Marlon Brando as Lieutenant Christian Diestl
Image: german-war-movies.blogspot.com

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In this publicity photo for the film, Brando (left) converses with Sgt.(?) Brandt, played by Parley Baer. Brandt is a military photographer who is a bon vivant at heart.
Image: flickr.com

The Young Lions depicts the German soldier in a much more even-handed way than Hollywood does these days. It does have the dedicated Nazi officer we've come to expect in war movies. But Christian Diestl is an ordinary, decent man who joins the army to protect his country.

To succeed as an infantry soldier, a man must do what soldiers do, and Diestl is no exception. This is true for anyone, regardless of whether he is German, American, or of some other nationality. But for Diestl, this is simply the job he must do, and he takes no pleasure in it. He becomes weary of the fighting as time goes on, but he maintains his character and does his duty. Tragically, he does not survive the war, but is killed in action as the conflict nears its end.

[Lurker]

inglorious bastards is a film i saw just a few hours ago,
i have to say as a film it is great but i feel it was dehumanizing the german people. in all fairness they had a couple of Germans they made as heroes.
though the heroes of this film would murder unarmed young german foot soldiers and i think they were trying to make it out as if these men deserved it. it very much play off the concepts of the dirty dozen who did the same things as the men in this film inglorious bastards only with more gore.
they had a message , i take it as(( these nazis are hostile and starting problems so we are justified in killing them armed or unarmed and there women and children if need be and we will enjoy it)) it is a look into the twisted mind of american pop culture. so nazis are evil because they unjustly killed people in retaliation to what was unjustly done to them in world war 1 so we should kill them in retaliation in the most unjust cruel fashion.
who are the real instigators?

That movie works on many levels actually.

Lots of Germans watch a war movie at that theatre that's going to be burned at the end. They all cheer when their national symbols and hero appear and boo when the enemy appears. Then they all die terrible deaths, burned alive or shot by submachine guns.

I think Tarantino was actually making a point most people didn't get. Those Germans applauding the movie are actually most of the moviegoers, most of the audience this movie gets. They applaud violence when it's done against their enemies and they end up with terrible, violent deaths. Very ironic.

Tarantino before Inglorious Basterds tried doing non-violent movies, but they were box office bombs. So he went back to what the great public wanted and made a very violent movie. Except that this one actually has a joke played on the audience, a joke made by an author dissatisfied with them. It's like "Titus" by Shakespeare (who also was fed up with his audience only wanting more violence).

[Hellfuhrer]

It had a few decent parts but all in all it was a watered down holowood movie. Its a bunch of jewish hate propaganda against not just Nazis but the German people. I am sick of the jews playing victim and their sob story 6000000 holocaust myth.

[blan]

That movie works on many levels actually.

Lots of Germans watch a war movie at that theatre that's going to be burned at the end. They all cheer when their national symbols and hero appear and boo when the enemy appears. Then they all die terrible deaths, burned alive or shot by submachine guns.

I think Tarantino was actually making a point most people didn't get. Those Germans applauding the movie are actually most of the moviegoers, most of the audience this movie gets. They applaud violence when it's done against their enemies and they end up with terrible, violent deaths. Very ironic.

Tarantino before Inglorious Basterds tried doing non-violent movies, but they were box office bombs. So he went back to what the great public wanted and made a very violent movie. Except that this one actually has a joke played on the audience, a joke made by an author dissatisfied with them. It's like "Titus" by Shakespeare (who also was fed up with his audience only wanting more violence).

i have never known him for anything but violent films, what non violent films did he produce there was his first production that was non violent but it wss burned in a fire and little of it is still on tape

[Osweo]

Hmm... I haven't seen it, but it sounds pretty repulsive.

Can we have a list of offences?

It seems there's a massacre in a picture house, a bludgeoning to death, and the murder of a young innocent father? :ohwell:

[SaxonCeorl]

Hmm... I haven't seen it, but it sounds pretty repulsive.

Can we have a list of offences?

It seems there's a massacre in a picture house, a bludgeoning to death, and the murder of a young innocent father? :ohwell:

Basically, it's just like any other Tarantino film except that the violence is symbolically perpetrated against a real, non-fiction, historical group of people (WWII-era Germans). It's got scenes akin to where Marvin got shot in the face in Pulp Fiction, causing an explosion of blood and brains which cover the entire car: (warning, language and gore)

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[Curtis24]

Well Osweo, the film is about a group of American Jewish special op soldiers, who assume all German soldiers are complicit in Nazi crimes, and subsquently believe all German soldiers deserve death and/or torture.

Sound like something that agrees with your politics? :p

[Breedingvariety]

Imagine zombie films. Or Shaun of the Dead. Instead of zombies- there are Germans.

[Debaser11]

^And courageous Jews. Always courageous Jews! LOL!

[Fortis in Arduis]

Why the misspelling in the title? Basterds?

Makes me think of:

Turds!!! Turds!!! Turds!!!

Bring on the Turds!!! :bounce

[CelticTemplar]

It would have been a much better movie if the Germans were replaced with japs. After all it wasn't the Germans who sunk the Pacific Fleet in an unprovoked attack.

[The Ripper]

It would have been a much better movie if the Germans were replaced with japs. After all it wasn't the Germans who sunk the Pacific Fleet in an unprovoked attack.

Yeah, Jews avenging the Holocaust by murdering Japs.

No wait.

[SaxonCeorl]

If the movie had been about Jews killing and mutilating Hitler, Himmler, and cruel concentration camp commandants, I'd have been OK with it.

By the way, I'm very disappointed in Diane Kruger and Til Schweiger for being in this movie.

[Osweo]

Hang on, I'm just getting vague impressions. What are the circumstances of the 'torture' and 'mutilations'? How nasty and graphic are these, and how is the audience invited to 'enjoy' it?

[Svanhild]

Hang on, I'm just getting vague impressions. What are the circumstances of the 'torture' and 'mutilations'? How nasty and graphic are these, and how is the audience invited to 'enjoy' it?
The movie poster could give you an impression.

http://michael.mind-exchange.com/wp-content/2009/02/inglorious-basterds-3.jpg

There's a sequence where two or three Germans are enchained and surrounded by the Jewish special op team. After insulting the Germans for a few minutes, the boss calls the Bear Jew out of a cave. It's a massy Jew with a blunt weapon. You can imagine the rest.

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As a matter of fact, everyone who thinks that Germans shouldn't feel insulted after watching sequences like this can kiss my arse. I'm too much of a patriot to don't care or to ignore it.

[The Ripper]

Hang on, I'm just getting vague impressions. What are the circumstances of the 'torture' and 'mutilations'? How nasty and graphic are these, and how is the audience invited to 'enjoy' it?

Well, its like this: they're Nazis, they're game, everything goes, and the more brutal, the "funnier" (movie goers laugh at the brutality). In one scene a German soldier taken prisoner refuses to give up German positions to the basterds. He is then clubbed to death with a baseball bat, to much joy and laughter, by a really bad-ass Jew called... Bärenjude. Its all very funny. If they, God forbid, let any Nazi live, they at least have to mark him by carving a swastika into his for head with a knife. That too is very funny. :p

[Svanhild]

He is then clubbed to death with a baseball bat, to much joy and laughter, by a really bad-ass Jew called... Bärenjude. Its all very funny.
Sure. Very funny. Now let me see some Russians beheading Finnish soldiers, mutilating Finnish women, bombing Suomussalmi into a sea of blood and scalping Finnish babies. For the sake of the lulz. The more brutal, the better?

You can give thanks to my good breeding that I don't tell you what I think of your attitude right in your face.

[The Ripper]

Sure. Very funny. Now let me see some Russians beheading Finnish soldiers, mutilating Finnish women, bombing Suomussalmi into a sea of blood and scalping Finnish babies. For the sake of the lulz. The more brutal, the better?

You can give thanks to my good breeding that I don't tell you what I think of your attitude right in your face.

I did my best to convey the sarcasm. I don't really hold my self accountable.

[Äike]

Sure. Very funny. Now let me see some Russians beheading Finnish soldiers, mutilating Finnish women, bombing Suomussalmi into a sea of blood and scalping Finnish babies. For the sake of the lulz. The more brutal, the better?

You can give thanks to my good breeding that I don't tell you what I think of your attitude right in your face.


I did my best to convey the sarcasm. I don't really hold my self accountable.

Indeed, in my opinion, the sarcasm was obvious.

[Smaland]

Why the misspelling in the title? Basterds?

Makes me think of:

Turds!!! Turds!!! Turds!!!

Bring on the Turds!!! :bounce

The word "basterds" may have originated with Dr. David Duke, who made a YT video entitled "Hollywood Basterds by David Duke". In all probability, he used "basterds" in order to avoid using the obscene version of the word. For anyone who hasn't seen it, this is Dr. Duke's video.

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[Osweo]

The movie poster could give you an impression.
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http://michael.mind-exchange.com/wp-content/2009/02/inglorious-basterds-3.jpg
Pretty disgusting.

There's a sequence where two or three Germans are enchained and surrounded by the Jewish special op team. After insulting the Germans for a few minutes, the boss calls the Bear Jew out of a cave. It's a massy Jew with a blunt weapon. You can imagine the rest.

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As a matter of fact, everyone who thinks that Germans shouldn't feel insulted after watching sequences like this can kiss my arse. I'm too much of a patriot to don't care or to ignore it.


Well, its like this: they're Nazis, they're game, everything goes, and the more brutal, the "funnier" (movie goers laugh at the brutality). In one scene a German soldier taken prisoner refuses to give up German positions to the basterds. He is then clubbed to death with a baseball bat, to much joy and laughter, by a really bad-ass Jew called... Bärenjude. Its all very funny. If they, God forbid, let any Nazi live, they at least have to mark him by carving a swastika into his for head with a knife. That too is very funny. :p

This chills the fuck out of me.

First of all, there's some sick bastard who writes it, then another who approves and pays for its production, then all those who take part, and then the state authorities that allow its showing. :(

And such posters as Svanhild's link are made, that are to 'entice' the public to come and watch. What is wrong with people, that they respond to this sort of thing?

And so many are so calloused to it all, that they don't even understand when somebody comes along and condemns it. This is the most concerning aspect of all.

Tarantino... I saw Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs and Kill Bill years ago. I remember being more impressed by the soundtrack than the cinema as such. I especially found Kill Bill to be overhyped absurdity. When I saw the disgusting posters for that Hostel film he did, I was turned right off. I never watched it, and never will, but I heard more than enough about it. I just went and read the synopsis now, indeed. Hmm. I don't utterly object to violence in film. In historical films it's more or less necessary, even. I just abhor the filming of scenes in which a bound person is tortured. I can think of nothing more evil, and the fact that huge numbers of my peers are now accustommed to such sights and think of them as 'entertainment', well, it shits me up, it really does.

Every well-rounded individual of education, moral fibre and humanity, that says they can watch these scenes with detachment and not be somehow corrupted by them is outnumbered by tens of others on whom it will make a most grievous imprint, and worst of all are that small number who will be inspired to re-enact scenes they have watched. There will always be psychopaths, but for mainstream entertainment to so pander to them, and give them potentially even worse ideas than they might already be able to think up, is absolutely unconscionable.

[Treffie]

^So that's a no?

[Svanhild]

I did my best to convey the sarcasm. I don't really hold my self accountable.
I didn't take it as sarcasm. A) We Germans aren't known for great humour and B) I can't accept funny lines in this serious context as fun or sarcasm by no way. This movie disgusts me way too much and I think your sarcasm was misplaced. Even if I had understood your post as sarcasm I'd have rejected it.

[The Ripper]

I didn't take it as sarcasm. A) We Germans aren't known for great humour and B) I can't accept funny lines in this serious context as fun or sarcasm by no way. This movie disgusts me way too much and I think your sarcasm was misplaced. Even if I understood your post as sarcasm I'd have rejected it.
People are free to interpret my words as they wish and get offended by what they want, that's out of my reach.

[blan]

I didn't take it as sarcasm. A) We Germans aren't known for great humour and B) I can't acceptfunny lines in this serious context as fun or sarcasm in any imaginable way. It disgusts me way too much and I think your sarcasm was misplaced.

I have met some very funny jovial Swiss Germans/Germans recently and thought they were Great people, you on the other hand have no humor so do not blame the German people for your down falls sweet heart.

[Svanhild]

People are free to interpret my words as they wish and get offended by what they want, that's out of my reach.
So be it, fair enough.

I have met some very funny jovial Swiss Germans/Germans recently and thought they were Great people, you on the other hand have no humor so do not blame the German people for your down falls sweet heart.
Has someone called the zero? Speak for yourself and don't pretend to know anything about Germans and my country. You don't. Talking to some xenophile German tourists on Carribean islands is no ethnological research or serious knowledge.

[Pallantides]

don't pretend to know anything about Germans and my country. You don't.

But some Germans themselves seem to think they know everything about everyone else and their countries.

[blan]

Has someone called the zero? Speak for yourself and don't pretend to know anything about Germans and my country.

I am sorry but the attempted insult does not translate well in English.
Nice try though! pat on the head for svanhild, :clap2:
Ha Ha this vids for you svanhild watch it and learn the concept of Humor

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you see how the crowd laughs? that is called comedy Gold. Of course i know much about Germany watching Holgans heroes when i was in university taught me all i need to know.....you guys are silly :thumbs up

[Curtis24]

Why the misspelling in the title? Basterds?

Makes me think of:

Turds!!! Turds!!! Turds!!!

Bring on the Turds!!! :bounce

Because the title "inglorious bastards" was already copyrighted by another film...

[Svanhild]

you see how the crowd laughs? that is called comedy Gold. Of course i know much about Germany watching Holgans heroes when i was in university taught me all i need to know.....you guys are silly :thumbs up
Captain Darwin Award, haven't you ever realized that the crowd laugh in such comedy shows has been recorded beforehand and is just embedded into the series when the producers want to underline/emphasize a more or less humourful sequence?

[blan]

Captain Darwin Award, haven't you ever realized that the crowd laugh in such comedy shows has been recorded beforehand and is just embedded into the series when the producers want to underline/emphasize a more or less humourful sequence?

Hahahah svanhild you get the ((I dont get a joke or obvious sarcasm award))
that was my point yes i am aware, it was a joke! you are the prime example of someone with zero grasp of the concept of humor.
oh man you made my day svanhild, keep up the good work people like you put a smile on my face and make life worth living. :D

[Fortis in Arduis]

Because the title "inglorious bastards" was already copyrighted by another film...


It paves the way for the porno scat version anyway...

[Baron Samedi]

It's a fucking film, not a political statement.

Take a few deep breathes, Svanhild....

I mean, they kill Hitler via machingun fire, for fucks sake. We all know that didn't happen.

I sort of liken it to the Monty Python/Holy Grail film.... I don't know if that offended that many English folk or not, but I have my doubts.

[Svanhild]

It's a fucking film, not a political statement.

It is.

[Baron Samedi]

It is.

Yes, that evil Jewish cabal did this just to piss off you overtly-nationalistic Germans.

Silly me to have forgotten....

[Beorn]

I sort of liken it to the Monty Python/Holy Grail film.... I don't know if that offended that many English folk or not, but I have my doubts.

We are offended, but I can see your logic. The only flaw in that logic is MP was satirical and tolerant, whilst IB was just plain anti-German and outright offensive.

[SaxonCeorl]

It's a fucking film, not a political statement.

Sure, any film that denigrates WWII-era Germans isn't political, it's just entertainment. Yet when Valkyrie came out, the liberal media decried it as a "Nazi apologia," despite it being a completely true story.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/movies/news/article_1450409.php/Cruise_s_Valkyrie_blasted_as_Nazi_apologia

[blan]

It's a fucking film, not a political statement.

Take a few deep breathes, Svanhild....

I mean, they kill Hitler via machingun fire, for fucks sake. We all know that didn't happen.

I sort of liken it to the Monty Python/Holy Grail film.... I don't know if that offended that many English folk or not, but I have my doubts.

svanhild does not understand humor or monty python she admitted this earlier. i am sorry but it is a concept that is to alien to her.

[Groenewolf]

Indeed, in my opinion, the sarcasm was obvious.

But depending on the context (including the emotional condition of the readers) the sarcasm can be misunderstood.


I didn't take it as sarcasm. A) We Germans aren't known for great humour and B) I can't accept funny lines in this serious context as fun or sarcasm by no way. This movie disgusts me way too much and I think your sarcasm was misplaced. Even if I had understood your post as sarcasm I'd have rejected it.


svanhild does not understand humor (...) she admitted this earlier.

Where in the quote above does she state that she does not understand humor at all :coffee: And if you want to considering not liking this movie to not having a sense of humor then there are many more in this tread who do not have a sense of humor.

[aherne]

Wow, I had never thought people would take the movie so seriously... I enjoyed the movie a lot. Don't take it too seriously, guys. I guess it depends on the taste of each one but oh well.

Of course you enjoyed the movie a lot. How about a movie portraying Germans as heroes killing and torturing Jews? Actually, I would enjoy this movie A LOT. That's a matter of taste, right?...

[aherne]

Eli Roth, jewish actor, states with regards to his experience as performer:
But it's one of the most satisfying, orgasmic things I've done in my life. It's kosher porn.

[Bloodeagle]

The bar scene of Inglorious Basterds is the only scene of the movie that I feel lives and breathes as one of the only memorable scenes in the movie.

In a pivotal "Basterds" scene, the entire fate of the mission hinges on how a character counts to three on one hand — revealing him to be either German or a spy. Tarantino said that if you ask any German, you'll find that the differences in digit-use still exist: "That was actually a thing. ... You have to remember one thing about WWII — it was the last time that a whole lot of white people fought a whole lot of white people. So you could actually infiltrate Germany, or Germans could infiltrate the Polish underground, if you could pull off the language. One of the things that would blow people's cover a lot, with Americans pretending to be Germans, was this notion of three fingers. But what was really funny was the Germans who worked on the ['Basterds'] crew, they do [holds up two fingers and a thumb]. They didn't know we did [holds up three fingers]!"
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[Don Brick]

^ Great scene! :thumb001:

[blan]

But depending on the context (including the emotional condition of the readers) the sarcasm can be misunderstood.





Where in the quote above does she state that she does not understand humor at all :coffee: And if you want to considering not liking this movie to not having a sense of humor then there are many more in this tread who do not have a sense of humor.

my response is exactly on min 2:23.... i hope you get the humor

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further more did you not hear the recorded interview i had with her, she knows nothing! nothing !!!

[Brynhild]

Sure, any film that denigrates WWII-era Germans isn't political, it's just entertainment. Yet when Valkyrie came out, the liberal media decried it as a "Nazi apologia," despite it being a completely true story.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/movies/news/article_1450409.php/Cruise_s_Valkyrie_blasted_as_Nazi_apologia

The fact that Tom Cruise starred as Stauffenberg put me off immediately any idea that Valkyrie had any credibility.

I haven't seen Inglorious Basterds and don't really desire to. I can see both sides of this argument here, but I would also like to point out that people aren't anywhere near as gullible as some of you would like to believe. Hollywood has always thrived on being "The Land of Make Believe", and that's all there is to it really.

If you want to start having a go at everyone who's taken the piss out of the Germans, well, here are a few to start with:

Moe Howard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moe_Howard) and Charlie Chaplin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin) both had death warrants issued against them during WWII, just because they took the piss out of Hitler. Warner Bros (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lNbXkSlZ4k) released this cartoon during wartime, and it was a deliberate ploy to boost the morale of the troops. When I purchased it about 10 or so years ago, I wasn't aware of what was on it, as I bought it dirt cheap. The kids and I thought it was hilarious, because it was. Hogan's Heroes, Monty Python's Flying Circus, Fawlty Towers and Allo Allo did this also, but they also took the piss out of other nations and especially themselves, which is why they are so funny.

Hollywood movies are generally shit as far as I'm concerned, but who am I to deprive another of some enjoyment and escapism?

[Groenewolf]

my response is exactly on min 2:23.... i hope you get the humor

Some nervous talk, interrupted by some harsh language at 2:24? :rolleyes:

[Tyrrhenoi]

Some nervous talk, interrupted by some harsh language at 2:24? :rolleyes:

- The greats performance in this scene, is the german MP40 - :)
- I had the honour of shooting it - in semi auto non-original (we can't own automatics in the Netherlands) - it is simply great :thumb001:-
- it is much more controlable and precise than the US.Thompson .45 ACP and Greasegun

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The best german gun in WWII - is the STG44 (Sturmgewehr 44) - it is a gas operated machinegun - the Ruski's copied the design and named it the AK-47 -

[SaxonCeorl]

There should be a sequel in which all of the Basterds gets horrendously tortured...fingernails ripped completely off...shot in the kneecaps...nose cartilage cut off...scalped still alive...that would just be good old, light-hearted humor :tongue Real Charlie Chaplin stuff, you know?

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah, there should be a lighthearted comedy directed by Eli Roth where Jewish celebrities' leftover plastic surgery skin is made into lampshades by blonde guys. They can pass around still frames from the film as evidence in high school Holocaust presentations.

[Beorn]

I'd forgotten all about this film, but Munich (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_%28film%29) was another Jewish Hollywood "revenge" movie, although this particular one goes a whole length out of its way to actually remain within the boundaries of taste and outright blood lust.

[blan]

[QUOTE=Svanhild;311886]So be it, fair enough.

Has someone called the zero?

i started the thread, nobody called me, you stumbled into a place you are not welcome, try to keep up svanhild,

[blan]

in conclusion, the film was not a bad film in a cinematic respect though that can be debated, but i do agree that films with anti German themes contribute to the narrow minded version of History that the American public hold in there heads. many Americans think that all Germans were horrible violent people shoving babies into ovens and laughing about it while making there remains into furniture and this film does reinforce that mindset into the ((ignorant))
many people on this forum are smart enough to know that it is fiction and can get past these silly claims and enjoy it as a piece of fiction.
but the fact remains the ignorant masses are very impressionable.

[SaxonCeorl]

in conclusion, the film was not a bad film in a cinematic respect though that can be debated, but i do agree that films with anti German themes contribute to the narrow minded version of History that the American public hold in there heads. many Americans think that all Germans were horrible violent people shoving babies into ovens and laughing about it while making there remains into furniture and this film does reinforce that mindset into the ((ignorant))
many people on this forum are smart enough to know that it is fiction and can get past these silly claims and enjoy it as a piece of fiction.
but the fact remains the ignorant masses are very impressionable.

You know nothing of America :coffee: The Americans in this thread are the ones criticizing the film.

[blan]

You know nothing of America :coffee: The Americans in this thread are the ones criticizing the film.

i have lived and worked in the usa for many years and went to school in the usa, in fact i was asked to leave a class room when i made a argument in defense of german soldiers after watching saving private ryan. in fact the american people who are criticizing the film are criticizing it for the same reasons i stated.
There would be no concern if this film was purely fiction and had no effect on the minds of the masses.
the ignorant masses who portray Germans as nazis and evil. please if you are going to argue do not do it for argument sake do it for a real reason.
Was it not Americans who made this film?

[Eldritch]

Has someone called the zero?

i started the thread, nobody called me, you stumbled into a place you are not welcome, try to keep up svanhild,

Huh?

If you want to limit who posts on your threads, start a social forum that's open by application only.

[Groenewolf]

- The greats performance in this scene, is the german MP40 - :)

Which has little to do with that Blan was talking about and what my response is about. ;)

[Tyrrhenoi]

Which has little to do with that Blan was talking about and what my response is about. ;)


You were talking about harsh language in the scene - :D - when the conversation was over - the guns did the talking -

I am sorry, I couldn't resist ... :D:thumb001:

[blan]

Huh?

If you want to limit who posts on your threads, start a social forum that's open by application only.

of course she has the right to post here, but never from the day i joined to this day has she had anything positive or constructive to say on my threads or to me.
in fact she makes a habit of unprovoked insult out of the blue when ever i post and telling me i am not welcome on whatever thread i join in on.
i just felt like letting her know her opinion is not valued by me on my thread but yes of course she is welcome to post i can not stop that.
In the end i could care less it was just humor and me breaking some balls i meant nothing serious in my statements towards her there is no use in me trying to engage her in any serious conversation because her bigoted mind set towards me does not allow her to say anything to me except false accusation and insult.
i feel that the thread has run its course and most conversations are going in all directions anyways so i would just have my fun as well.

[blan]

Sure, any film that denigrates WWII-era Germans isn't political, it's just entertainment. Yet when Valkyrie came out, the liberal media decried it as a "Nazi apologia," despite it being a completely true story.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/movies/news/article_1450409.php/Cruise_s_Valkyrie_blasted_as_Nazi_apologia

what media!!!?? the american media!!!??? no impossible america is not capable of such nonsense!

[SaxonCeorl]

many people on this forum are smart enough to know that it is fiction and can get past these silly claims and enjoy it as a piece of fiction.


There would be no concern if this film was purely fiction and had no effect on the minds of the masses.

So, which is it? In one post you argue that it's fiction and that people need to lighten up, then you say it's not merely fiction, in both instances (weakly) attempting to make Americans out to be misguided and ignorant. Then you spend 3 or 4 posts attempting to provoke another member, despite their refusal to sink into a useless argument with you. Grow up.

[blan]

So, which is it? In one post you argue that it's fiction and that people need to lighten up, then you say it's not merely fiction, in both instances (weakly) attempting to make Americans out to be misguided and ignorant. Then you spend 3 or 4 posts attempting to provoke another member, despite their refusal to sink into a useless argument with you. Grow up.

i said people who are smart enough to understand it is a piece of fiction and know there history can not be misguided but ignorant people can be easily misguided and it help them buy into there false perception of history/reality.
does that make sense to you??:embarrassed depends on who is viewing it. understand?? ;)
would you like that explained again?
I did not attack all americans just was talking about the masses of people in the world including the usa that have people who are ignorant and do not know any better.
are you going to deny the usa has such people? was it not many many members of the white american community that voted for obama?. this film was mainly marketed towards and american audience are you aware of that? that is why I said americans they are the ones most affected by such films.
ok? svanhild has a rep for attacking other forum members and has a very bad rep you are new here and do not know the nasty comments she leaves. i simply busted her balls ((after)) she made nasty comments to me.
moving on.

[Groenewolf]

Then you spend 3 or 4 posts attempting to provoke another member, despite their refusal to sink into a useless argument with you. Grow up.

He probably considers him his "retaliation" against some of our female members pretty witty. :coffee: And watch out with not finding his jokes funny, then you are nothing more then a troll with a limited control of English (funny coming from someone who spells I with small letters and starts most of his sentences with small letters) or no sense of humor.

He must feel very upset, that I have given him 4 negative rep points, one for his oh so funny post aimed at an other member plus an other for a following post where he says that poster is unwelcome in this tread, one as a response for what I said above and the final one for his oh so funny interpretation of a dream of mine. After the last one, I have put him on ignore. Just call me a little man with a god complex, I can have a long memory for these kind of things blan.

[Heretik]

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00419/Colonal_Hans_Landa_419088a.jpg

The only cool character in the movie. :thumbs

[Svanhild]

svanhild does not understand humor or monty python she admitted this earlier. i am sorry but it is a concept that is to alien to her.
I don't like Monty Python or British humour at large, but the intellectual level of Monty Python surpasses your mental horizon fivefold. And what's alien to me in truth is the concept of treating halfwits on a level with decent people capable of using all areas of their brain unhampered.


of course she has the right to post here, but never from the day i joined to this day has she had anything positive or constructive to say on my threads or to me.
I was commenting on the movie and not on your pathetic performance. It's my right to like or dislike people how and as much as I want. And I dislike you for your odd statements and your soft-headed attitude, get over it. You're like a carribean fart to me: Annoying, but just hot air.

[blan]

I don't like Monty Python or British humour at large, but the intellectual level of Monty Python surpasses your mental horizon fivefold. And what's alien to me in truth is the concept of treating halfwits on a level with decent people capable of using all areas of their brain unhampered.


I was commenting on the movie and not on your pathetic performance. It's my right to like or dislike people how and as much as I want. And I dislike you for your odd statements and your soft-headed attitude, get over it. You're like a carribean fart to me: Annoying, but just hot air.


i love monty python, even if i am to stupid to understand it svanhild at least i can enjoy it. to bad i am not as smart as you, maybe i could make witty comments about caribbean farts and be so educated and elite that i lose all ability to laugh.

[blan]

He probably considers him his "retaliation" against some of our female members pretty witty. :coffee: And watch out with not finding his jokes funny, then you are nothing more then a troll with a limited control of English (funny coming from someone who spells I with small letters and starts most of his sentences with small letters) or no sense of humor.

He must feel very upset, that I have given him 4 negative rep points, one for his oh so funny post aimed at an other member plus an other for a following post where he says that poster is unwelcome in this tread, one as a response for what I said above and the final one for his oh so funny interpretation of a dream of mine. After the last one, I have put him on ignore. Just call me a little man with a god complex, I can have a long memory for these kind of things blan.

haha fat boy thinks i am upset because he puts red dots on my profile! :D:D i dont know are you upset because you cant get laid, get a life! :thumbs up wait ...nooo!!! dont do it not again not another red dot!!!! please have pity! cheers!

[Eldritch]

Okay, I think this thread has ran its course now.

If someone actually still wants to discuss the movie, PM me or something and I'll open it again.