Councillors from Central England vs councillors from Central France - compare and contrast

[Tooting Carmen]

They are from Nottingham in the East Midlands and Clermont-Ferrand in the Auvergne. What similarities and differences in phenotype do you see between them? I am only posting the fully native ones in both cases.

Nottingham, Central England
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http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1129/cllr_steve_young.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1132/cllr_david_mellen.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1150/cllr_david_trimble.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1143/cllr_sarah_piper.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/456629/cllr-glyn-jenkins.jpg?width=122&height=183http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1118/cllr_rosemary_healy.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1133/cllr_chris_tansley.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1142/cllr_anne_peach.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/456642/cllr-adele-williams.jpg?width=107&height=161http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1141/cllr_brian_parbutt.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1152/cllr_jane_urquhart.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1109/cllr_jon_collins.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1122/cllr_sue_johnson.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1127/cllr_dave_liversidge.jpg?width=114&height=171http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1128/cllr_sally_longford.jpg?width=122&height=183http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1154/cllr_sam_webster.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1134/cllr_jim_armstrong.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1110/cllr_georgina_culley.jpg?width=100&height=125http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1103/cllr_steve_battlemuch.jpg?width=100&height=150

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Clermont-Ferrand, Central France
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The photos are now all ready.

[Columella]

Quite similar.
British series has more lepto -lighter types

The French series is an ORGY of low square shaped faces.
The alpine elemnt is surprisingly strong.

However the overlap is present.
Englishwould pass in French series
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/456683/cllr-linda-woodings.jpg?width=99&height=149
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1129/cllr_steve_young.jpg?width=100&height=150
french could pass in Britain
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/valerie_bernard_0.jpg?itok=kL2ue6iZ
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/antoine_rechagneux_0.jpg?itok=zOCEE9_w


Instead I feel this french would pass more difficulty in England
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[Tooting Carmen]

Quite similar.
British series has more lepto -lighter types

The French series is an ORGY of low square shaped faces.
The alpine elemnt is surprisingly strong.

However the overlap is present.
Englishwould pass in French series
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/456683/cllr-linda-woodings.jpg?width=99&height=149
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1129/cllr_steve_young.jpg?width=100&height=150
french could pass in Britain
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/valerie_bernard_0.jpg?itok=kL2ue6iZ
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/antoine_rechagneux_0.jpg?itok=zOCEE9_w

From an Italian perspective, wouldn't the French ones look considerably more familiar than the English ones?

[Columella]

From an Italian perspective, wouldn't the French ones look considerably more familiar than the English ones?

More familiar Yes. But the french would overall look atypical in Italy
That could pass in Italy more or less well:
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/anne_faurot_0.jpg?itok=YR8MC3Ehhttps://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/simon_pourret_0.jpg?itok=6Y85yQaJhttps://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/c_cile_audet_0.jpg?itok=6ojaRShw
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/j_r_me_auslender_0.jpg?itok=c3-2S7-5

[Tooting Carmen]

More familiar Yes. But the french would overall look atypical in Italy
That could pass in Italy more or less well:
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/anne_faurot_0.jpg?itok=YR8MC3Eh
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/simon_pourret_0.jpg?itok=6Y85yQaJ
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/c_cile_audet_0.jpg?itok=6ojaRShw
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/j_r_me_auslender_0.jpg?itok=c3-2S7-5

Do any of the English councillors pass well in Italy too?:D

[Tooting Carmen]

N.B. This one could pass in Britain as a darker type, but I agree those two beneath him wouldn't:
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/guillaume-vimont_0.jpg?itok=JT-t0Pql

[Columella]

Do any of the English councillors pass well in Italy too?:D
Excluding older guys (older men often loose their national carachteristics for a generalized old man look)
Maybe these two
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1099/cllr_cat_arnold.jpg?width=100&height=150http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1149/cllr_andrew_rule.jpg?width=100&height=150

This guy looks generalized. Could be anything
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/media/1154/cllr_sam_webster.jpg?width=100&height=150

[brennus dux gallorum]

Brachycephalism strikes in France

[Sebastianus Rex]

Many if not most of the French on this set would not pass or be extremely atypical in Britain. On a indiviual basis the Brits would pass better in France but as a whole there are considerable difference and I don't think the sets look similar at all

[Tooting Carmen]

Many if not most of the French on this set would not pass or be extremely atypical in Britain. On a indiviual basis the Brits would pass better in France but as a whole there are considerable difference and I don't think the sets look similar at all

I do agree that anthrofora tend to Nordify the native French to an extent, often in order to distance them from Southern Italians (in this forum) or Spaniards (in Italic Roots).

[Tooting Carmen]

Any more suggestions?

[Enflamme]

Why you don't speak about Colombia?

Show me face of Colombia, i'm curious.

[Tooting Carmen]

Why you don't speak about Colombia?

Show me face of Colombia, i'm curious.

I have plenty of threads about Colombia too. Anyway, I make threads about all sorts of countries, and have the right to do so.

[Odin]

Both the sets can pass in other respective countries, but few French councillors cannot pass in Britain as typical.

[JMack]

Many if not most of the French on this set would not pass or be extremely atypical in Britain. On a indiviual basis the Brits would pass better in France but as a whole there are considerable difference and I don't think the sets look similar at all

I agree.

The French overlaps more with Iberians than with English in my opinion..

[Newsboy]

The French councillors appear more Alpinized and somewhat more pigmented than the English ones.

Outside France, the French councillors pass best in Central Europe and North Italy. The English councillors pass best in Scandinavia and Benelux (ouside the British Isles).

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[Sikeliot]

I find those French to look more Iberian rather than Italian, for some reason. But I think they pass fine as dark Brits.

The main difference to me is some of the English look like Swedes or Danes, I do not find this in the French photos.

[Tooting Carmen]

I find those French to look more Iberian rather than Italian, for some reason. But I think they pass fine as dark Brits.

The main difference to me is some of the English look like Swedes or Danes, I do not find this in the French photos.

But who looks more Italian: the French people here or the Assyrians you just posted? (The fact we are even having this debate is risible in itself).

[Lucas]

N.B. This one could pass in Britain as a darker type, but I agree those two beneath him wouldn't:
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/guillaume-vimont_0.jpg?itok=JT-t0Pql

Macronoid

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Would say the French lot are a little more exotic than the English bunch - who are more homogeneous.

Contrary to what some of my earlier posts might have suggested, I am not saying that British and French people look totally different, but nevertheless there is a clear difference especially at group level. Britain has more Nordic/Germanic strains than France, while France has more Mediterranean, Alpine and Dinaric strains than Britain.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yes you can clearly see Med influence in a few in the French group. The English lot really are typical Anglo Saxons. Not the prettiest faces in the world, but there you go..

Put simply: British look NW European but with more brunettes compared to Scandinavians, Germans and Dutch. French look like a roughly 50/50 hybrid of both Northern and Southern Europe.

[The Blade]

Leptoprosopic types are more common among the English.

Also, the English display more Borreby traits while the French have stronger Dinaric and Alpine element.

[Visage pâle]

In the french serie, i cont 7 with blue eyes over 38 members, 18%. That's rather the spanish norm, but there are many more with light mixed eyes.

[Tooting Carmen]

In the french serie, i cont 7 with blue eyes over 38 members, 18%. That's rather the spanish norm, but there are many more with light mixed eyes.

And keep in mind this is the Auvergne, not Gascony or Languedoc-Rousillon.

[Vid Flumina]

And keep in mind this is the Auvergne, not Gascony or Languedoc-Rousillon.

Auvergne is genetically not very different from Languedoc, even Dauphiné area has more northern influence.

Bourgogne and Centre region are more representative of the average.

[Westbrook]

Yes you can clearly see Med influence in a few in the French group. The English lot really are typical Anglo Saxons. Not the prettiest faces in the world, but there you go..

I count my blessings that I didn't inherit those teeth though

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[Septentrion]

N.B. This one could pass in Britain as a darker type, but I agree those two beneath him wouldn't:
https://clermont-ferrand.fr/sites/clermont-ferrand.fr/files/styles/extra_large/public/spip-import/jpg/guillaume-vimont_0.jpg?itok=JT-t0Pql

I think he'd pass more in Southern and Western Germany, Switzerland, Austria than Britain anyday. He's darker-skinned type for Brits, more Alpinid than anything with some Dinarid attributes. Although, he could blend with Northern Italians.

[Septentrion]

Contrary to what some of my earlier posts might have suggested, I am not saying that British and French people look totally different, but nevertheless there is a clear difference especially at group level. Britain has more Nordic/Germanic strains than France, while France has more Mediterranean, Alpine and Dinaric strains than Britain.

What did you expect? France, Belgium and a good part of Germany not the North lays much more south than Britain. This is why they'd have more Alpine, Dinarid, Mediterranean, darker skin especially and darker eyes too ( the French especially).

[Mopi Licinius Crassus]

the french examples as a whole have a much higher incidence of dark eyes, than you'd expect in a british population

[Septentrion]

England is 100% Nordish while France is 35% Nordish.

[Davystayn]

I just wanted to say this is genius as a comparison method, councillors represent their area very well, and are almost always local, ��