Who would look more typical for Croatia: Tilda Swinton or Maria Grazia Cucinotta?

[Tooting Carmen]

Although Croatia is on the Mediterranean Sea, it is generally more Central European-shifted than most other countries that are, so I would be interested in this.

Tilda Swinton, English actress
https://1.soompi.io/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/tilda-swinton.jpghttp://cdn-img.instyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/684xflex/public/1430839020/050515-tilda-swinton-lead.jpg?itok=xN37NcdB

Maria Grazia Cucinotta, Sicilian actress
http://m.aceshowbiz.com/webimages/wennpic/maria-grazia-cucinotta-72nd-venice-film-festival-01.jpghttps://files.gossip.it/mondanita/festival_venezia_cucinotta_66/images/maria_grazia_cucinotta_79ce.jpg

[Odin]

Maria.

[Tooting Carmen]

Anyone else?

[Columella]

Tooting threads are sometimes fantastic. I'm sure everybody says " oh fuck which one now"

i think that Tilda looks like a bleached Nikola Tesla. However I can't imagine her typical.
Cucinotta is tall and dark like many Croatian women but she is profoundly "Mediterranean"
So neither.

[Sikeliot]

Swinton.

Croatians look more like Central European Slavs, and Cucinotta has a vague North African vibe, passing much better in Portugal, Canaries, and the Maghreb than anywhere in the Balkans or Eastern Europe.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Swinton.

Croatians look more like Central European Slavs, and Cucinotta has a vague North African vibe, passing much better in Portugal, Canaries, and the Maghreb than anywhere in the Balkans or Eastern Europe.

Wrong. Neither Cucinotta has a north african vibe neither Balkanic peoples aren't predominantly Mediterranean and Dinaric. These are very common Croatian girls:

http://arhiva.dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2011/m03/x3260245226215738_38.jpg

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06/croatianfansAP_450x300.jpg

When the hell are you going to stop writting nonsense and actually visit the places and see in loco the people you like to talk so much about ?

[Sikeliot]

Wrong. Neither Cucinotta has a north african vibe neither Balkanic peoples aren't predominantly Mediterranean and Dinaric. These are very common Croatian girls:


Genetically, Croatians are not Balkan, but closer to Central European Slavs. and no, Cucinotta nor most Sicilians do not pass in Croatia, even north Italians don't look Slavic like they do.

[Damião de Góis]

"Portugal, Canaries and the Maghreb" :lol:

[Sebastianus Rex]

Genetically, Croatians are not Balkan, but closer to Central European Slavs. and no, Cucinotta nor most Sicilians do not pass in Croatia, even north Italians don't look Slavic like they do.

Well Robocop was Croatian, who had actually been in Italy several times and disagrees with you. Whatever you call looking Slavic ? Many if not most Croatians are Mediterranean, Dinaric and Alpine like Italians. These women are Croatian, why would Cuccinota not pass in Croatia according to you ?

http://www.croatiaweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/croatian_girls.jpg

http://arhiva.dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2011/m03/x3260245226215738_38.jpg

http://www.croatia-expert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Tropic-Split.jpg

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Getty_Images_406/Person/414875/_derived_jpg_q90_500x500_m0/171079355.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

And would pass better among these people ?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7198/6964527079_197d38b535_b.jpg

http://www.dw.com/image/17607965_304.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Well Robocop was Croatian, who had actually been in Italy several times and disagrees with you. Whatever you call looking Slavic ? Many if not most Croatians are Mediterranean, Dinaric and Alpine like Italians. These women are Croatian, why would Cuccinota not pass in Croatia according to you ?

http://www.croatiaweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/croatian_girls.jpg

http://arhiva.dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2011/m03/x3260245226215738_38.jpg

http://www.croatia-expert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Tropic-Split.jpg

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Getty_Images_406/Person/414875/_derived_jpg_q90_500x500_m0/171079355.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

And would pass better among these people ?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7198/6964527079_197d38b535_b.jpg

http://www.dw.com/image/17607965_304.jpg


Those women look more Greek or Albanian rather than Italian. Italians are the least Slavic looking Europeans pretty much. But in general Croatians look very Slavic...

http://www.slavorum.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Croatian_girls_in_folklore_costume_in_Hungary.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Vrlicka_nosnja_Knin04082011_4846.jpg
http://www.croatiaweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/croatia.jpg

[Insuperable]

And would pass better among these people ?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7198/6964527079_197d38b535_b.jpg

http://www.dw.com/image/17607965_304.jpg

Dumb sketches done by some classes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i19ZgxBYPnY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kKmjSLal1k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSZk6xGsg7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11a4FXh9nAs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6-8iqJ3nAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDsg_SrKm4&t=219s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlGQRUm1SUE

Both in equal measure is the correct answer

[Jana]

Both in equal measure...


Tooting threads are sometimes fantastic. I'm sure everybody says " oh fuck which one now"
i think that Tilda looks like a bleached Nikola Tesla. However I can't imagine her typical.
Cucinotta is tall and dark like many Croatian women but she is profoundly "Mediterranean"
So neither.
Average Croatian woman is neither tall nor dark.


Swinton.
Croatians look more like Central European Slavs, and Cucinotta has a vague North African vibe, passing much better in Portugal, Canaries, and the Maghreb than anywhere in the Balkans or Eastern Europe.
Not really. Sicilian woman can pass in Croatia as can Swinton. Croats do not look like West Slavs but our own thing.


Wrong. Neither Cucinotta has a north african vibe neither Balkanic peoples aren't predominantly Mediterranean and Dinaric. These are very common Croatian girls:
http://arhiva.dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2011/m03/x3260245226215738_38.jpg
http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06/croatianfansAP_450x300.jpg
When the hell are you going to stop writting nonsense and actually visit the places and see in loco the people you like to talk so much about ?

There are swarthy Croatian girls which are very common but absolutely not average. Last pic are swarthy as fuck, with fake tan and dyed raven black hair like typical peasant taste women. Black hair is amost non-existant in Croatia, not to mention it would be impossible to find group photo where all of them look like average Gypsy pigmentation. Even the swarthiest southern Europeans are lighter than what you try to present as average Croats :picard1:


Well Robocop was Croatian, who had actually been in Italy several times and disagrees with you. Whatever you call looking Slavic ? Many if not most Croatians are Mediterranean, Dinaric and Alpine like Italians. These women are Croatian, why would Cuccinota not pass in Croatia according to you ?

And would pass better among these people ?

I have been to Italy more than 40 times and we do not look Italian at all. Med types are absolute rarity in Croatia, all regions, our tall brunette types are not mediterranean neither look like it. Average Croat is alpinoid.
Croats do not look southern European at all, you confuse brunette hair which is most common with med phenotype while we have completely different facial features and body bulid.

I find it laughable to claim Croats look Italian when we have as much in common with them genetically as we do with Russians- nothing at all.
Your pictures are heavily cherrypicked.

[Jana]

I am sick of this shit about Croats being southern Europeans. Most my ancestry is from most med Croatia there is, adriatic islands, and none of my ancestors from there looked med or southern European.
Part of Croatia has mediterranean culture and that is about it.

[Jana]

Here is entire Croatian water polo team for world cup 2017, all except one (Luka Loncar) to my knowledge being Dalmatians, southern Croats:
http://www.dulist.hr/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/marko-bijac.jpg
http://kaportal.hr/portal/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Luka-Bukic-i-ivan-Marcelic.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GiGhgcG-Gmw/maxresdefault.jpg
http://kaportal.hr/portal/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ante-vukicevic-i-loren-fatovic.jpg
https://image.dnevnik.hr/media/images/996x562/Dec2015/61168932-luka-loncar.jpg
https://image.dnevnik.hr/media/images/996x562/Jan2017/61317141.jpg
http://vaterpolo-primorje.hr/arhiva/media/k2/items/cache/a27a3b73d355048c6bab885897085f62_XL.jpg
http://www.dulist.hr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/valentinovo-buslje.jpg
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Portals/0/Images/2017/07/14/vaterpolo_press4-140717.jpg
http://vaterpolo-primorje.hr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Roje-Krapic_11-12-2014-9.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_AbYItPQVps/maxresdefault.jpg

I see just one robust atlanto-med among entire Croatian team. They do not look southern neither Central European, but uniquely Croatian. North Croats though, look Central European, and they are under-represented in Croatian sport teams which are dominated by southerners. I would never confuse Croatian facial features for anything else except some neighbouring nations due to overlap, but mostly we have our own look.

[Antimage]

ayy lmao!

[Mortimer]

either sikeliot doesnt like slavs or he trolls italians he could talk more about his iberian and polish ancestries instead of trolling italians maybe he hates his dad

[Mortimer]

I will vote for both there are blonde croatians and brunnete croatian women both pass i agree with feichy

[Robocop]

Just came around because of this thread, author invited me to say something.

Overal Tild Swinton more, but Maria can pass as well, so I voted both in equal measure.

Overall Sikeliot is right, Croats are not like rest of "Balkanic" people considering Autosomal DNA, but closer to central Europe, a lot closer.


Well Robocop was Croatian, who had actually been in Italy several times and disagrees with you. Whatever you call looking Slavic ? Many if not most Croatians are Mediterranean, Dinaric and Alpine like Italians. These women are Croatian, why would Cuccinota not pass in Croatia according to you ?

http://www.croatiaweek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/croatian_girls.jpg

http://arhiva.dalje.com/slike/slike_3/r1/g2011/m03/x3260245226215738_38.jpg

http://www.croatia-expert.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Tropic-Split.jpg

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/2/Open/Getty_Images_406/Person/414875/_derived_jpg_q90_500x500_m0/171079355.jpg?partner=allrovi.com

And would pass better among these people ?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7198/6964527079_197d38b535_b.jpg

http://www.dw.com/image/17607965_304.jpg

Sebastianus you will never find any of my posts where I have said that Croats have Mediterranean people, I said common phenotypes amongs Croats are; Alpines, Atlanto, Pontid, Noric, Dinarid, Gorid, now and then some Baltid, and not many Gracile Meds, in fact Gracile Meds here are rare, not so common, which is only natural, when I say rare I mean by that; they're not common, but you can fine some of them now and then somewhere.

P.S. First picture you placed, just for information, most of girls on that picture are Gypsies and not Croats, even though Croats has less than 1% gypsies somehow those girls dressed up in Croatian t-shirts and that picture became known, and they're far from anything what someone would say; average Croatian looking girls, far from it.

If those girls (from first picture) would be seen anywhere in Croatian city they would be considered as gypsies in a second.

And that one two which doesn't have gypsie traits has solarium madness, so that is hardly a portrait of anything Croatian.

This are Croatian random girls/women:


South Croatia (city of Šibenik):

http://www.sibenik.in/upload/novosti/2015/03/2015-03-22/37584//1_1.jpg


North Croatia (city of Varaždin):

http://www.varazdinske-vijesti.hr/media/k2/items/cache/a28f2bb5ffa79ee030e1076395c03c79_XL.jpg?t=14553850 43


And now all Croatian average looking girls (from North and South Croatia) in one picture:

http://www.kop-cakovec.hr/kop2013/P5310507a.jpg

Everyone who ever was in Croatia will know this girls are common and average Croatian looking girls.

Maria Grazia could pass in Croatia, but she wouldn't be typical, that's the whole point, while no one would pay attention on Tilda Swinton on streets of Croatia if she would be unknown person, because women like her are common, especially in north of Croatia, not exact combination of phenotypes like here, but overall yes.

In the end I will repeat; Gracile Meds in Croatia are rare, rare..., even if you would find any they would almost always come in combination with Dinaric.

Cheers

P.S. Maria Grazia is European looking woman, she has nothin non-white/non-euro, but she is not typical for Croatia even though she COULD pass.

Btw, nice to see you ppl again, I'm gone from here, just came around after long time to see what you're doing and found message from author of this thread asking me to comment here.

Bye.

[Insuperable]

.........

I don't think they are Gypsies. They are just overly tanned with dyed hair.

[Kamal900]

Holy damn, Tida looks really out of this world. I think Maria would pass for a atypical croat.

[Robocop]

I am sick of this shit about Croats being southern Europeans. Most my ancestry is from most med Croatia there is, adriatic islands, and none of my ancestors from there looked med or southern European.
Part of Croatia has mediterranean culture and that is about it.

Well Croats are not Southern Europeans even if Jean Luc Picard would take all of with USS Enterprise (from Star Trek) to Malta because our Autosomal DNA genetic has nothing to do with Southern Europeans.

And our Geography is like this; Northern Croatia is Central European, Southern Croatia is South-Eastern Europe.

P.S. As this entire forum knows, I have nothin here against Southern Europeans, I defended them always against Northern European attacks or insults, but Croats do not belong neither to Southern or Northern Europeans by appearence, but in between: Central/South-Eastern Europeans.


I don't think they are Gypsies. They are just overly tanned with dyed hair.

Those women are SOLARIUM LUNATICS to the point of madness, hardly that picture can be used for anythin except for laughing. :)

[Sebastianus Rex]

There are swarthy Croatian girls which are very common but absolutely not average. Last pic are swarthy as fuck, with fake tan and dyed raven black hair like typical peasant taste women. Black hair is amost non-existant in Croatia, not to mention it would be impossible to find group photo where all of them look like average Gypsy pigmentation. Even the swarthiest southern Europeans are lighter than what you try to present as average Croats :picard1:


Both Feiichy and Robocop misunterstood the context of my posts, I was answering Sikeliot when he wrote that Cucinotta would not pass in Croatia because she looks northern african influenced.

I simply sustained that Cucinotta with her classic mediterranean phenotype does not look north african and that she would pass in Croatia surely better than in north Africa, since Mediterranean phenotypes (and by Mediterranean I include other European Mediterranean types as Atlanto-Meds, Pontics, Dinaro-Meds, Alpine-Meds etc) are not uncommon in Croatia while they are rare in north Africa where it's not common at all to see a pure Mediterranean phenotype.



I find it laughable to claim Croats look Italian when we have as much in common with them genetically as we do with Russians- nothing at all.
Your pictures are heavily cherrypicked.

I never said that Croatians look like Italians as a whole, it would be nonsensical to compare country with 60 million people with one with 5 million, I wrote that some of the most common phenotype categories such as Mediterranean (and I mean all mediterranean subtypes), Alpines and Dinarics are well represented in both countries and therefore we can surely find many Croatians that pass easily in Italy and vice-versa. That being said of course there are also many types in both countries that are very rare in the other and therefore that makes the whole of the populations look different.


Just came around because of this thread, author invited me to say something.

Overal Tild Swinton more, but Maria can pass as well, so I voted both in equal measure.

Well according to Sikeliot, Maria looks north african and could not pass in Croatia...come on Robocop you know how Sikeliot is like, it's not something new.



Sebastianus you will never find any of my posts where I have said that Croats have Mediterranean people, I said common phenotypes amongs Croats are; Alpines, Atlanto, Pontid, Noric, Dinarid, Gorid, now and then some Baltid, and not many Gracile Meds, in fact Gracile Meds here are rare, not so common, which is only natural, when I say rare I mean by that; they're not common, but you can fine some of them now and then somewhere.

Atlanto and Pontids are part of the Mediterranean family. Dinaro-Meds are hybrids.

The point is that the average Sicilian or South Italian is more similar to even a country that is genetically central-european shifted like Croatia than to middle-easterns or north africans.

I'm not saying that this group of Sicilian students wouldn't look foreigner in Croatia (as a group they would clearly look so) but individually or even as a group where they would look surely look more out of place in MENA countries than in even in a country like Croatia.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2009/july22/gifs/zim_students_news.jpg