What ethnicities or groups of Europeans are the least European by DNA?

[pmv74]

What groups of people in Europe plot the farthest from other Europeans? My best guess would be Sardinians or maybe Maltese.


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[NordicMan]

Meds.

[Fractal]

Meds.

I can't tell the difference between Meds and MENAs in most cases.

[RN97]

It depends on what you mean but the ones that cluster furthest from the average European would be Maltese followed by Sicilians and s. Italians. There is genetic continuity throughout Europe though.

[NordicMan]

I can't tell the difference between Meds and MENAs in most cases.

It's not your fault. They are genetically similar people. Differentiating between an Igbo and a Yoruba is as hard as differentiating between meds and Arabs.

[Sikeliot]

Malta, Sicily, Calabria, Crete, Dodecanese.

[Lek]

What groups of people in Europe plot the farthest from other Europeans? My best guess would be Sardinians or maybe Maltese.


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And who is the core of the European in this case? What exactly is defined as European?

There are Russians and some other East Europeans that plot very far due to more East Asian components and some South Europeans plot more south because of less steppe ancestry compared to some of the ones in the North. That doesn't make them less European. Indo European people were the last of the 3 populations that are the ancestors of modern Europeans to even enter Europe. They came from Caucasus / Siberia area.

European and Europe are just geographical ters in reality and far from something homogenous. A modern political invention due to the common IE languages. They share some common ancestry through some ancient people like WHG, Neolithic and Yamnaya but these come in different % depending on the population. They also share some of the Indo European languages spread by Yamnaya. So populations will plot based on mostly the admixture of these 3 the most. It doesn't make anyone more or less European in reality.

Sardinians are genetically pre-Indo European for the most part which is why they plot different from say North Europeans who have much more Steppe admixture.

[Zephyrus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqvfRYETTsY

[RN97]

And who is the core of the European in this case? What exactly is defined as European?

There are Russians and some other East Europeans that plot very far due to more East Asian components and some South Europeans plot more south because of less steppe ancestry compared to some of the ones in the North. That doesn't make them less European. Indo European people were the last of the 3 populations that are the ancestors of modern Europeans to even enter Europe. They came from Caucasus / Siberia area.

European and Europe are just geographical ters in reality and far from something homogenous. A modern political invention due to the common IE languages. They share some common ancestry through some ancient people like WHG, Neolithic and Yamnaya but these come in different % depending on the population. They also share some of the Indo European languages spread by Yamnaya. So populations will plot based on mostly the admixture of these 3 the most. It doesn't make anyone more or less European in reality.

Sardinians are genetically pre-Indo European for the most part which is why they plot different from say North Europeans who have much more Steppe admixture.

I'm sorry but that's just not true. Just to give you a comparison the most exotic Russian would likely still plot closer to the European average than the average Albanian. The average Russian plots a lot closer to the average European than the average s. Euro or Albanian
http://i.imgur.com/7YJ11i2.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

I can't tell the difference between Meds and MENAs in most cases.

Can you tell the difference between your skin colour and shit ?

[Sebastianus Rex]

What groups of people in Europe plot the farthest from other Europeans? My best guess would be Sardinians or maybe Maltese.


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You aren't really Sicilian are you, or are you trolling yourself ?

[Fractal]

Can you tell the difference between your skin colour and shit ?

You're mad because it's true.

[Sikeliot]

You aren't really Sicilian are you, or are you trolling yourself ?

What do you mean? Besides everyone knows Sicilians and Maltese are one people.

[RN97]

What do you mean? Besides everyone knows Sicilians and Maltese are one people.

I think the Maltese are more similar to another Italian group. I don't remember which. The Calabrians or something like that.

[Sebastianus Rex]

You're mad because it's true.

Well at least they're not shit coloured like you.

[Lek]

It's not your fault. They are genetically similar people. Differentiating between an Igbo and a Yoruba is as hard as differentiating between meds and Arabs.

And do you know its said that white people in Europe came from Caucasus only 5000 years ago? Do you know the very word ''Caucasian'' which is used for whites came from the Caucasus and the person who invented this term meant indo europeans came exactly from that place. Do you think foreigners see difference between some kavkaz and white Europeans? Do you know Ossetians and Armenians are Indo European speakers?

Do you know light hair, eyes and skin are a genetic mutation that occurs independently anywhere in the world? In Northern Europe it peaks due to less sun and lack of vitamin D in diet but we know except for Southern Europe that Europe could of not evolved life due to its colder climate.

Do you know Steppe people were basically CHG like + Neolithic and East Asian or something???

Do you know??? Do you know???



?????????

[Sebastianus Rex]

What do you mean? Besides everyone knows Sicilians and Maltese are one people.

Given that is a well known fact on this forum that according to PCA plots Sicilians are the most outlying European ethnicity (except Cyprus wich is half Turkish and geographically clearly middle eastern) I find strange that a supposed Sicilian opens this thread guessing Sardiniansas being such...

[Damião de Góis]

It depends on what you mean but the ones that cluster furthest from the average European would be Maltese followed by Sicilians and s. Italians. There is genetic continuity throughout Europe though.

If that's what you are measuring then it could be some finns, if the average is around France.

[Sikeliot]

I think the Maltese are more similar to another Italian group. I don't remember which. The Calabrians or something like that.

Maltese come from SW Sicily, Agrigento and Gela and whereabouts, hence their surnames all being from Agrigento like Vella, Farruggia, Spiteri and whatnot.

[RN97]

If that's what you are measuring then it could be some finns, if the average is around France.

Nope, would still be Sicilians

[Myanthropologies]

Besides Cypriots, it would be Sicilians, Maltese, and Southern Italians. They can be genetically modeled as half North Italian and half Levantine, just like Ashkenazis.

If you count caucasians too, then Armenians and other South Caucasians would win.

[Myanthropologies]

It's not your fault. They are genetically similar people. Differentiating between an Igbo and a Yoruba is as hard as differentiating between meds and Arabs.

This is not true. Of course sometimes, you have woggy looking European meds who are indistinguishable from MENAs, but most look distinct from MENAs, even sicilians.

[Fractal]

This is not true. Of course sometimes, you have woggy looking European meds who are indistinguishable from MENAs, but most look distinct from MENAs, even sicilians.

Wrong they look very similar. Why are you in denial?

[Myanthropologies]

Wrong they look very similar. Why are you in denial?

I'm not on denial. I just think it's pretty easy to tell European Meds apart from MENAs, even from Turks. I'm not denying that there are some very woggy south italians out there, I know plenty of woggy sicilians and Greeks, but most I know aren't like that. In fact, one of the most phenotypically white looking people I know is of full greek descent.

[pmv74]

You aren't really Sicilian are you, or are you trolling yourself ?

Yes, I'm 1/4 Sicilian, the rest is from other regions of southern Italy. My paternal grandfather was from the the town of Enna


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[Sebastianus Rex]

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[Полковник 95]

And do you know its said that white people in Europe came from Caucasus only 5000 years ago? Do you know the very word ''Caucasian'' which is used for whites came from the Caucasus and the person who invented this term meant indo europeans came exactly from that place. Do you think foreigners see difference between some kavkaz and white Europeans? Do you know Ossetians and Armenians are Indo European speakers?

Do you know light hair, eyes and skin are a genetic mutation that occurs independently anywhere in the world? In Northern Europe it peaks due to less sun and lack of vitamin D in diet but we know except for Southern Europe that Europe could of not evolved life due to its colder climate.

Do you know Steppe people were basically CHG like + Neolithic and East Asian or something???

Do you know??? Do you know???



?????????

LOL, never heard of this theory. Are you aware how small the Caucasus region is? There is not much place for that many people. Not to mention that this region is already for at least 10.000 years inhabited by pretty much the same indigenous populations.

[Sebastianus Rex]

LOL, never heard of this theory. Are you aware how small the Caucasus region is? There is not much place for that many people. Not to mention that this region is already for at least 10.000 years inhabited by pretty much the same indigenous populations.

Complete nonsense, but other thing would not to be expected from a subhuman brain like yours. Caucasus received considerable amounts of turko-mongoloid and middle-eastern blood.

[Полковник 95]

Complete nonsense, but other thing would not to be expected from a subhuman brain like yours. Caucasus received considerable amounts of turko-mongoloid and middle-eastern blood.

Complete nonsense, but other thing would not to be expected from a Moorish chimpanzee brain like yours. Portuguese received considerable amounts of North African and Sudanid/Negroid blood which most other Europeans lack.

[Mens-Sarda]

What groups of people in Europe plot the farthest from other Europeans? My best guess would be Sardinians or maybe Maltese.


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Actually Sardinians are the most Europeans, since we are basically the same pre-IE people of thousands years ago; it's the other Europeans who are strangers!

[Lavrentis]

Malta, Sicily, Calabria, Crete, Dodecanese.

What? Trust me, Northern Greece and especially Thessaloniki are more non-European than Crete and Dodecanese. Northern Greece is the most non-European descended province in Greece.

Remember the thread with the dark Cretans? Only a minority looked MENA influenced.


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[Lavrentis]

Duplicate

[Cristiano viejo]

Complete nonsense, but other thing would not to be expected from a Moorish chimpanzee brain like yours. Portuguese received considerable amounts of North African and Sudanid/Negroid blood which most other Europeans lack.

Chechens also score SSA, as I posted to you recently.
Deniying the MENA blood in Chechens in stupid.

No comment that Chechenia is Third World, undeveloped, primitive and uncivilized (unlike Portugal) just like the MENA and SSA countries.

[RN97]

Actually Sardinians are the most Europeans, since we are basically the same pre-IE people of thousands years ago; it's the other Europeans who are strangers!

That would be Basques. Sardinians are a mix of middle eastern and WHG(which is the European HG).
Sardinians are around as European as the Spanish average.
Germans, Scandos, Brits, Balts and eastern Europeans are more European or have more Euro HG admixture.

[Cristiano viejo]

That would be Basques. Sardinians are a mix of middle eastern and WHG(which is the European HG).
Sardinians are around as European as the Spanish average.
Germans, Scandos, Brits, Balts and eastern Europeans are more European or have more Euro HG admixture.

So are you telling Spanish are Middle Eastern and less Europeans than Balts, Germans etc?? Interesting...

[Mens-Sarda]

That would be Basques. Sardinians are a mix of middle eastern and WHG(which is the European HG).
Sardinians are around as European as the Spanish average.
Germans, Scandos, Brits, Balts and eastern Europeans are more European or have more Euro HG admixture.

All of them are quite newcomers compared to Sardinian or Basques; being geographically isolated in the middle of the sea far away from the continent Sardinians are even less mixed than Basques.

https://phys.org/news/2017-02-sardinian-dna-genetic-clues-islandand.html

[Sebastianus Rex]

Chechens also score SSA, as I posted to you recently.
Deniying the MENA blood in Chechens in stupid.

No comment that Chechenia is Third World, undeveloped, primitive and uncivilized (unlike Portugal) just like the MENA and SSA countries.

No point debating with someone with an IQ comparable to a domesticated primate. That primitive 3rd class Turk is not even aware of the existence of toilet paper.

[Sikeliot]

What? Trust me, Northern Greece and especially Thessaloniki are more non-European than Crete and Dodecanese. Northern Greece is the most non-European descended province in Greece.

Remember the thread with the dark Cretans? Only a minority looked MENA influenced.


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I meant native northern Greeks, not the Pontian admixed people.

[Austrvegr]

If Europeans in the geographical sense, then probably Kalmyks.

[Enflamme]

That would be Basques. Sardinians are a mix of middle eastern and WHG(which is the European HG).
Sardinians are around as European as the Spanish average.
Germans, Scandos, Brits, Balts and eastern Europeans are more European or have more Euro HG admixture.

Say the guy with 97% of European origin.

The Sardinians are more European than all your family.

And genetically you are wrong, the Sardinians are the purest who have received no mixture from the Middle East or Moorish, the same with Basque unlike a certain person.

[EL_BARBARO]

Meds.

Plantation Negros, like you.

[EL_BARBARO]

I can't tell the difference between Meds and MENAs in most cases.


Nor me between Indians and Apes in all cases.

[Enflamme]

All of them are quite newcomers compared to Sardinian or Basques; being geographically isolated in the middle of the sea far away from the continent Sardinians are even less mixed than Basques.

https://phys.org/news/2017-02-sardinian-dna-genetic-clues-islandand.html


The guy has 97% of European, with 3% of RECENT non-european origin, and he comes to say who is more European or who is less! This Jewish!!!

It's funny.

To have 3% of extra-European origin recent over the last 300 years (23andme it is on the last 300 years, not 500) and come to say who is more European or less, it is quite funny.

It is often the least Europeans peoples (with 3/5/10% of recent extra-european origin) who come to tell that you are less European than them, whereas genetically they are less European.

[EL_BARBARO]

It's not your fault. They are genetically similar people. Differentiating between an Igbo and a Yoruba is as hard as differentiating between meds and Arabs.

I hesitate if you are allowed to get in a bus where you live, perhaps on the rear seats.

[EL_BARBARO]

Can you tell the difference between your skin colour and shit ?

It must be shameful when he goes out to the street, and some has to tell him his face is spoted with shit...

[EL_BARBARO]

You're mad because it's true.

No, I think he's not mad, but entertained with your apish comments...

[EL_BARBARO]

Complete nonsense, but other thing would not to be expected from a Moorish chimpanzee brain like yours. Portuguese received considerable amounts of North African and Sudanid/Negroid blood which most other Europeans lack.


Funny coming from an azeri.

[EL_BARBARO]

Chechens also score SSA, as I posted to you recently.
Deniying the MENA blood in Chechens in stupid.

No comment that Chechenia is Third World, undeveloped, primitive and uncivilized (unlike Portugal) just like the MENA and SSA countries.


Third world only?

[Enflamme]

All of them are quite newcomers compared to Sardinian or Basques; being geographically isolated in the middle of the sea far away from the continent Sardinians are even less mixed than Basques.

https://phys.org/news/2017-02-sardinian-dna-genetic-clues-islandand.html

RN97 does not cite any sources. He has no proof of what he is advancing, especially since what he says is not really precise: "middle-eastern origin" it wants everything and nothing. It should be specified: old or recent origin?

If it is a recent origin, I doubt very strongly.

On the other hand, Sardinians do not have 3% non-European origin over the last 300 years.

[Fractal]

Nor me between Indians and Apes in all cases.

Thats not what our Spanish employees here in California tell us, Alejandro Guiterrez.

[EL_BARBARO]

Thats not what our Spanish employees here in California tell us, Alejandro Guiterrez.


Spanish employees? Keep sniffing your curry, mono loco :rotfl:

[Kamal900]

Southern Italians and Cypriots are genetically European outliers, and they cluster the closest to the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews who are in between Southern Europe and the Levant genetically which is true for most Southern Italians and etc. Other than them, I would say South-Eastern Europeans like Greeks have significant amount of West Asiatic admixture coming from Anatolia and the Caucasus from the neolithic period. Most Europeans have negligible non-European admixture, but all in all, they cluster far more closer together than to non-Europeans in general.

[Cristiano viejo]

Thats not what our Spanish employees here in California tell us, Alejandro Guiterrez.

There are not Spaniards working for Indians, dont dream. Barely there are Spaniards in USA, let alone California, let alone San Francisco, let alone in MOTELS :picard1:

In the other hand, how many times you need I post the Spanish multicompanies who give work to thousands of Indians in India for 0,88euros per day (more or less 1 dollar)?

And if I search a bit deep I would find Indians working for Spanish multicompanies in USA too, so relax, Gypsy :thumb001:

[Leto]

So are you telling Spanish are Middle Eastern and less Europeans than Balts, Germans etc?? Interesting...
Bro, you've spent over 5 years trying to prove that Spanish people are the most European. What's the point?

[Cristiano viejo]

Bro, you've spent over 5 years trying to prove that Spanish people are the most European. What's the point?

Still better than spending all the life to prove the opposite. What is the point?

Worry for your Mongolism and forget us. Thanks in advance.

[Leto]

Worry for your Mongolism and forget us. Thanks in advance.
I don't worry about anything. And my family is probably much lighter than yours. I don't have a problem with Spain, I just dislike your close-mindedness and stupidity. Intelligent people try to look for facts and accept them as they are, regardless of what they would like to see or hear.

[Cristiano viejo]

I don't worry about anything. And my family is probably much lighter than yours.
I doubt it. If you want we compare by PM.


I don't have a problem with Spain, I just dislike your close-mindedness and stupidity. Intelligent people try to look for facts and accept them as they are, regardless of what they would like to see or hear.
What you must do is forgetting us. I dont worry about Russia, Belarus, Estonia or whatever the place you come from.

[Leto]

What you must do is forgetting us. I dont worry about Russia, Belarus, Estonia or whatever the place you come from.
Why can't people mention Spain, among other countries? You act like a nigger - they constantly bring up the race issue and then complain about racism and discrimination.

[Cristiano viejo]

Why can't people mention Spain, among other countries? [
One thing is mentioning it and other insulting it... something happens often in this forum.


You act like a nigger - they constantly bring up the race issue and then complain about racism and discrimination.
First, I was not who brought the race isse in this thread abut RN97 talking about Spaniards, and second I dont complain about racism and discrimination, how and why should I?

[Leto]

First, I was not who brought the race isse in this thread abut RN97 talking about Spaniards, and second I dont complain about racism and discrimination, how and why should I?
You've been adamantly refusing to acknowledge that Northwestern Europeans are the whitest people, going by the classic Anglo-Saxon definition. And they actually are.

[alnortedelsur]

You've been adamantly refusing to acknowledge that Northwestern Europeans are the whitest people, going by the classic Anglo-Saxon definition. And they actually are.

The lightest, but not the most European.

[Amor Vincit Omnia]

finnish and sardinians

[EL_BARBARO]

You've been adamantly refusing to acknowledge that Northwestern Europeans are the whitest people, going by the classic Anglo-Saxon definition. And they actually are.


Is your supposed "lightness" your most appreciated virtue or what?

It is normal you to be pale, over there where then sun shines by accident.

What are you trying to prove?

As far as I know, this thread is about Europeanness....

[Cristiano viejo]

You've been adamantly refusing to acknowledge that Northwestern Europeans are the whitest people, going by the classic Anglo-Saxon definition. And they actually are.
I am tired to say British are the lightest people in the world.
Being whitest is another thing...

[Leto]

I am tired to say British are the lightest people in the world.
Scandinavians and Finns are the lightest.

Being whitest is another thing...
It was the Anglo-Saxons who developed the whole idea of whiteness.

[Geni]

.......

[alnortedelsur]

Scandinavians and Finns are the lightest.

It was the Anglo-Saxons who developed the whole idea of whiteness.

Not really, Spaniards invented the term "white" first.

[Lavrentis]

I meant native northern Greeks, not the Pontian admixed people.

There are people in Northern Greece who have Slavic ancestry, especially in some northern villages. Recently you posted some Greek results and the first guy had a grandparent from FYROM.

[Полковник 95]

Chechens also score SSA, as I posted to you recently.
Deniying the MENA blood in Chechens in stupid.

No comment that Chechenia is Third World, undeveloped, primitive and uncivilized (unlike Portugal) just like the MENA and SSA countries.

Spaniards also score SSA, as shown below.
Denying the Afro-European blood in Spaniards is stupid.

No comment that Spain and Portugal are Third World, undeveloped, primitive and uncivilized characterized by Kasbah huts, smelly favelas, desert-like scenery just like nearby African countries: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215328-Do-Spanish-cities-look-African

Your African maternal side:

http://oi50.tinypic.com/23j0g74.jpg

[Sikeliot]

There are people in Northern Greece who have Slavic ancestry, especially in some northern villages. Recently you posted some Greek results and the first guy had a grandparent from FYROM.

I think it exists even into Thessaly, Western Greece, etc. But obviously much more assimilated there. Peloponnesians should have more minor amounts of it.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spaniards also score SSA, as shown below.
Denying the Afro-European blood in Spaniards is stupid.
I dont need to post stupid maps that nor even a goat from Caucasus like you would believe.

Not my fault that your theory about "we goats of Caucasus dont have nigga blood" is a fake and easy to destroy :icon_lol:


No comment that Spain and Portugal are Third World, undeveloped, primitive and uncivilized

hahahahahhah :lmao:lmao:lmao
My Chechen goat ;)...