the degeneracy of child marriage among non muslims

[crazyladybutterfly]

https://youtu.be/ZYk37j9g300

[wvwvw]

Even Muslim men avoid child marriages because it goes against nature and like most men don't feel attracted to kids.

The only Muslim men who marry child brides are pedophiles, just like the perophiles who travel to Thailand to have sex with children.

The difference between the two is that Muslim man can hide behind the Qurann and the sunna or example of Muhamad, and can confidently rape children knowning they can get away with their crimes by citing the Quran.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Even Muslim men avoid child marriages because it goes against nature and like most men don't feel attracted to kids.

The only Muslim men who marry child brides are pedophiles, just like the perophiles who travel to Thailand to have sex with children.

The difference between the two is that Muslim man can hide behind the Qurann and the sunna or example of Muhamad, and can confidently rape children knowning they can get away with their crimes by citing the Quran.

indeed. another problem is that because of such hadiths a muslim pedophile is much less likely to be a virtous pedophile , meaning someone who is attracted to children but that given the opportunity he wouldn't touch them.
so muslim pedophile hear the so called love story of the 9 years old Aisha and mohammad and start to think that child sexual abuse does no harm , that it isn't degenerate because moho did it and that pedophilia is normal. cough.. cough.. al bosni

[al-Bosni]

There is a difference between Islamic child marriage and rape. Because the former has rules and regulations, a structure, and permission from the guardian of the child such as the father must be obtained, who can only give the child to marriage to someone who is suitable. Also, if a guardian marries off a girl before pubery, when she does reach puberty she has the choice of continuing the marriage or nullifying it. It is still up to her.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Even Muslim men avoid child marriages because it goes against nature and like most men don't feel attracted to kids.

The only Muslim men who marry child brides are pedophiles, just like the perophiles who travel to Thailand to have sex with children.

The difference between the two is that Muslim man can hide behind the Qurann and the sunna or example of Muhamad, and can confidently rape children knowning they can get away with their crimes by citing the Quran.

indeed. another problem is that because of such hadiths a muslim pedophile is much less likely to be a virtous pedophile , meaning someone who is attracted to children but that given the opportunity he wouldn't touch them.
so muslim pedophile hear the so called love story of the 9 years old Aisha and mohammad and start to think that child sexual abuse does no harm , that it isn't degenerate because moho did it and that pedophilia is normal. cough.. cough.. al bosni

[crazyladybutterfly]

There is a difference between Islamic child marriage and rape. Because the former has rules and regulations, a structure, and permission from the guardian of the child such as the father must be obtained, who can only give the child to marriage to someone who is suitable. Also, if a guardian marries off a girl before pubery, when she does reach puberty she has the choice of continuing the marriage or nullifying it. It is still up to her.

do you realize it makes no sense?

how can a guardian know if a girl is ready? only the girl can , if a child can ever be ready for it . what if the guardian doesn't care about the girl wellbeing?

so the girl has no right , she can be raped all the way because the father or mother or whatever sick fuck was her guardian decided she was good to go .. she has to endure rape for all these years until she reaches puberty and only then she can divorce? wtf

[al-Bosni]

do you realize it makes no sense?

how can a guardian know if a girl is ready? only the girl can , if a child can ever be ready for it . what if the guardian doesn't care about the girl wellbeing?

so the girl has no right , she can be raped all the way because the father or mother or whatever sick fuck was her guardian decided she was good to go .. she has to endure rape for all these years until she reaches puberty and only then she can divorce? wtf
Parents choose a lot of things for their kids when they are too young to make their own decisions. I'm sure we can all relate.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Parents choose a lot of things for their kids when they are too young to make their own decisions. I'm sure we can all relate.

wtf

so ... can a muslim parent put his child on starvation or under a bad nutrition? not allowing them to go out to play with friends etc?
after all the guardians can do everything with them :picard2:

it would have made sense if the child wanted it then the guardian consented or not , though a child cant predict the consequences..
but leaving no choice of option to the child? really? lol

[crazyladybutterfly]

https://youtu.be/frXIeneqQ-s

[crazyladybutterfly]

https://youtu.be/O3MzgGndqso

[crazyladybutterfly]

https://youtu.be/0SwrXYJE6xw

[crazyladybutterfly]

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/07/man-married-10-year-old-and-said-it-was-biblically-justified/

[Al-Meksiki]

Just last year a law was ennacted that rose the minimum age of marriage in Guatemala from 13 to 18. It's a good start, but its hard to enforce in isolated tribal regions, or in areas under control of drug cartels or local warlords

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://youtu.be/vKgtIs6mERY


https://youtu.be/Va88X2GSTJI


https://youtu.be/63aExZOWXuo


https://youtu.be/dsk9shAYfe8

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://youtu.be/Q7ZHg9R-Jf4


https://youtu.be/NODT7TYna-I


https://youtu.be/tGHnpjZbS6g



https://youtu.be/mh5rYwWbcck


https://youtu.be/YhJaxz2Zs9Y

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://youtu.be/_l0sNe87bWg


https://youtu.be/AceKL9fW_RI


https://youtu.be/JR8FHt6Zb9c

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://youtu.be/00LQr3WTk20

[Wadaad]

Who are you to worry about these girls...they are much happier than you. Focus on getting well and fixing your own issues. You are embodiment of this Western need to impose their experience on others.

Some families are poorer than others, and the only means possible for a female daughter is that she gets married off. Allah has a system, and just because the West cannot see it, but sometimes stumble on it, is further proof you are in no position to be a social justice warrior for 3rd world women/girls:



Father absence linked to earlier puberty among certain girls

By Sarah Yang, Media relations | SEPTEMBER 17, 2010
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Girls in homes without a biological father are more likely to hit puberty at an earlier age, according to a new study led by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley’s School of Public Health.

The findings, to be published Sept. 17 in the Journal of Adolescent Health, found that the absence of a biologically related father in the home predicted earlier breast and pubic hair development, but only for girls in higher income households. The findings held even after the girls’ weight was taken into account.

“The age at which girls are reaching puberty has been trending downward in recent decades, but much of the attention has focused on increased body weight as the primary culprit,” said study lead author Julianna Deardorff, UC Berkeley assistant professor of maternal and child health. “While overweight and obesity alter the timing of girls’ puberty, those factors don’t explain all of the variance in pubertal timing. The results from our study suggest that familial and contextual factors – independent of body mass index – have an important effect on girls’ pubertal timing.”

The findings came from the Cohort study of Young Girls’ Nutrition, Environment and Transitions (CYGNET), an epidemiologic project headed by Lawrence Kushi, associate director of etiology and prevention research at the Kaiser Permanente Northern California Division of Research. The project is part of the UC San Francisco Bay Area Breast Cancer and the Environment Research Center (BCERC), one of four centers funded by the National Cancer Institute and the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences. Early puberty has been linked to greater risk for breast and other reproductive cancers later in life, among other health impacts.

“Although the main focus of the CYGNET Study is on environmental exposures, we are also keenly interested in the social and behavioral contexts in which maturation occurs,” said Kushi. “These findings demonstrate that such factors may play important roles in the onset of puberty in girls.”

The link between father absence and earlier puberty in girls has been found in previous research, but most of those studies relied upon recall of the girls’ first periods, and few examined the contributions of body mass index, ethnicity and income.

In this new study, researchers recruited 444 girls ages 6-8 through Kaiser Permanente Northern California, and have been following them annually. Their analysis was based on the first two years of follow-up. They considered signs of puberty that occur before the start of menarche. In interviews with the girls’ caregivers, the researchers asked about the residents in the girls’ homes and their relationships to the children.

Among the girls studied, 80 reported biological father absence at the time of recruitment. Contrary to what the researchers expected, the absence of a biologically related father was linked to earlier breast development for girls in higher income families – those having annual household incomes of $50,000 or more. Father absence predicted earlier onset of pubic hair development only in higher income African Americans families.

The mechanisms behind these findings are not entirely clear, the study authors said. Evolutionary biologists have theorized that the absence of a biological father may signal an unstable family environment, leading girls to enter puberty earlier.

Another theory that has been posited is that girls without a biological father in the home are exposed more to unrelated adult males – specifically, the pheromones of these males – that lead to earlier onset of puberty. However, in this study, the presence of other adult males, including stepfathers, in the home did not alter the findings.

It is also unclear why father absence predicted early puberty only in higher income families, particularly for African American girls.

“It’s possible that in lower income families, it is more normative to rely upon a strong network of alternative caregivers,” said Deardorff. “A more controversial hypothesis is that higher income families without fathers are more likely to have a single mother who works long hours and is not as available for caregiving. Recent studies have suggested that weak maternal bonding is a risk factor for early puberty.”

Another possibility is that higher income girls in father-absent homes may be exposed to more artificial light – which has been shown to accelerate puberty in animal studies – through television, computers and other forms of technology, according to the study authors. The researchers also suggested that higher income African American girls may be more exposed to certain beauty products, such as hair straighteners, which have estrogenic properties that could influence pubertal timing.

The study adds to the debate of why girls in the United States are entering puberty at an increasingly early age. Last month, a study of 1,200 girls led by BCERC researchers at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital Medical Center found that about 15 percent of the girls showed the beginnings of breast development at age 7, an increase from similar studies conducted in the 1990s.

“The hunt for an explanation to this trend is significant since girls who enter puberty earlier than their peers are not only at greater risk for reproductive cancers, they are also more likely to develop asthma and engage in higher risk sexual behaviors and substance abuse, so these studies have broader relevance to women’s health,” said Bay Area BCERC’s principal investigator Dr. Robert Hiatt, UCSF professor and co-chair of epidemiology and biostatistics, and director of population science at the campus’s Helen Diller Family Comprehensive Cancer Center.

“In some ways, our study raises more questions than it answers,” said Deardorff. “It’s definitely harder for people to wrap their minds around this than around the influence of body weight. But these findings get us away from assuming that there is a simple, clear path to the earlier onset of puberty.”

Other co-authors of the study are Paul Ekwaru, UC Berkeley Ph.D. student in epidemiology; Bruce Ellis, professor at the University of Arizona; and pediatrician Dr. Louise Greenspan, project manager Anousheh Mirabedi, and research assistant Evelyn Landaverde at Kaiser Permanente Northern California’s Division of Research.

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Children in poverty hit puberty much earlier. This is why
Puberty is an inherently awkward transition in which a child’s body matures to allow reproduction. Image: REUTERS/Lucy Nicholson
This article is published in collaboration with
The Conversation
01 Jun 2017
Ying Sun
Associate Professor and Visiting Academic, Centre for Adolescent Health, Murdoch Childrens Research Institute



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Shape-shifting bodies. Cracking voices. Hairs sprouting in new places. Puberty marks a dramatic period of change for young people. Now new research shows children who grow up in poor homes enter puberty early.

Not only do they experience more emotional, behavioural and social problems compared to their peers, early puberty puts them at risk of a range of health issues for the rest of their lives.

The research, published today in the journal Pediatrics, adds to a body of work showing the cumulative effect of adversity in childhood can have lifelong physical, mental and behavioural repercussions.

However, the reason why these disadvantaged children enter puberty early remains unclear. And work is continuing to pinpoint factors that trigger the cascade of hormones that mark this critical period of development.

What is puberty?

Puberty is an inherently awkward transition in which a child’s body matures to allow reproduction.

In girls, it typically begins with breast development between the ages of eight and 13 and ends with menarche, or the first period. In boys, puberty begins between ages nine and 14, on average, starting with growth of the sexual organs and wrapping up with facial hair and a deepened voice.

But changes at puberty are not all physical. Puberty also triggers rapid biological and social change, and increasing risk for psychological health problems, like depression and anxiety, substance use and abuse, self-harm and eating disorders.

We still don’t know exactly what triggers the cascade of hormone secretions that, over time, produces these tell-tale changes. And “What triggers puberty?” was one of the 125 questions posed in Science magazine’s 125th anniversary edition in 2005 that still remains unanswered today.

In particular, we still don’t know exactly what causes some children to enter puberty earlier than others, although there have been many factors linked to early puberty.

These include childhood obesity, being born small for gestational age and exposure to environmental chemicals. Other researchers have linked early puberty with living with a stepfather or having experienced stressful life events, such as childhood maltreatment and abuse.

What we did

Previous studies looking into social impacts on the timing of puberty have had mixed results. While one Indian study found poor girls started their periods later than normal, a UK study found girls who grew up the poorest were twice as likely to have started their periods earlier than the richest.

So, we carried out the first study of its kind in Australia to see how cumulative exposure to social disadvantage affected the age children entered puberty.

We asked parents of 3,700 children in the Growing Up in Australia Study to report signs of their children’s puberty at age eight to nine, and then again at ten to 11. Signs included: a growth spurt, pubic hair and skin changes; breast growth and menstruation in girls; and voice deepening and facial hair in boys.

We then compared the family’s socioeconomic position – as measured by their parent’s annual income, education and employment – of those who started puberty early with others who started on time.

At ten to 11 years old, about 19% of boys and 21% of girls were classified in the early puberty group. In other words, they had entered puberty earlier compared to their counterparts.

Boys from very disadvantaged homes had a four-fold increase in the rate of early puberty, while girls’ risk increased nearly two-fold compared with kids that came from the richest families.

How could this happen?

Research on the biology of stress shows how major adversity, like extreme poverty, can permanently set the body’s stress response to high alert, affecting the brain’s circuits. This might, in turn, influence how reproductive hormones are regulated, so affecting the timing and trajectory of puberty.

Another body of research suggests the social environment can influence so-called epigenetic changes in our genes. These changes might affect the regulation of genes involved in reproductive development, switching some on or off sooner than usual.

Another theory is that in the face of hardship – for instance, economic disadvantage, harsh physical environment, the absence of a father – children may be programmed to start the reproductive process earlier to ensure their genes are passed on to the next generation.

Yet, we still don’t know exactly how poverty or disadvantage triggers early puberty.

Why this matters

What we do know, however, is early puberty is linked with a range of health issues.

For instance, in girls, it’s linked with emotional, behavioural and social problems during adolescence including: depressive disorders, substance disorders, eating disorders and earlier-than-usual displays of sexuality.

Early puberty also affects people’s health far beyond their teenage years. It places them at a greater risk of developing obesity, reproductive cancers and cardiometabolic diseases (diabetes, heart disease or stroke) in later life.

So in a sense, marriage might be the one thing that saves that family...and the girls will be provided for with accelerated puberty and maturity by Allah.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Religion is disgusting and runned by pedofiles

[crazyladybutterfly]

Who are you to worry about these girls...they are much happier than you. Focus on getting well and fixing your own issues. You are embodiment of this Western need to impose their experience on others.

Some families are poorer than others, and the only means possible for a female daughter is that she gets married off. Allah has a system, and just because the West cannot see it, but sometimes stumble on it, is further proof you are in no position to be a social justice warrior for 3rd world women/girls:





So in a sense, marriage might be the one thing that saves that family...and the girls will be provided for with accelerated puberty and maturity by Allah.

what a pile of bullshit.

have you watched the videos? the girls were FAR FROM HAPPY.
they didn't marry their 14 years old lover , they were sold to men much older than them who often treated them badly.
besides reaching puberty doesn't mean maturing mentally. i reached puberty at 8 , that's when my breasts started to grow.

and what big samples you see in these studies :picard2:

btw there is a link between abuse , not always sexual, and early puberty too. stress somehow makes you become fertile earlier .. at least forgirls

[Wadaad]

propaganda videos...

child marriages SAVE alot of poor. You are killing people with kindness, literally.

a 14 year old in Ethiopia not being allowed to marry only means a calamity/burden for the girl's family (or else why the need to marry her off in the first place)

Instead of being a narcissistic typical westerner who isnt capable of putting herself in other people shoes, but just goes does things to ease her conscience/sleep better at night...they dont need your concern. And its good that it is making a come back, we rather our girls get betrothed early, instead of becoming westernized slut bags or dysfunctional asexuals like you.

[crazyladybutterfly]

propaganda videos...

child marriages SAVE alot of poor. You are killing people with kindness, literally.

a 14 year old in Ethiopia not being allowed to marry only means a calamity/burden for the girl's family (or else why the need to marry her off in the first place)

Instead of being a narcissistic typical westerner who isnt capable of putting herself in other people shoes, but just goes does things to ease her conscience/sleep better at night...they dont need your concern. And its good that it is making a come back, we rather our girls get betrothed early, instead of becoming westernized slut bags or dysfunctional asexuals like you.

BUT ITS HER STUPID PARENTS WHO PUT HER IN THIS WORLD!

why should she carry the burden of their poverty by marrying an older boring man who she doesn't like ?

it isn't HER fault , its THEIRS. the mother , who often doesn't work, should begin finding a job .. maybe as a prostitute if she isn't too old or ruined by too many pregnancies .. that s what a good mother would do.

they choose to have a kid they should PAY FOR IT . it isn't that hard to avoid vaginal sex and enjoy your spouse in different ways .. they have zero sympathy from me.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

propaganda videos...

child marriages SAVE alot of poor. You are killing people with kindness, literally.

a 14 year old in Ethiopia not being allowed to marry only means a calamity/burden for the girl's family (or else why the need to marry her off in the first place)

Instead of being a narcissistic typical westerner who isnt capable of putting herself in other people shoes, but just goes does things to ease her conscience/sleep better at night...they dont need your concern. And its good that it is making a come back, we rather our girls get betrothed early, instead of becoming westernized slut bags or dysfunctional asexuals like you.

You are promoting old men to rape young kids. Disgusting. This is also another form of selling kids.
They only marry under aged kids for one reason just like how tourists from europe visit africa and other places to rape young kids. Its disgusting.

[Heather Duval]

idk why there are pedos in the world
i think kids are annoying as fuck
i try to avoid my cousins when they are around me cause even their voice are disgusting to me
one time i was taking care of my cousin and he was 1/2
i left him in the bed while i was watching tv: he fell off the bed

[Wadaad]

BUT ITS HER STUPID PARENTS WHO PUT HER IN THIS WORLD!

why should she carry the burden of their poverty by marrying an older boring man who she doesn't like ?

it isn't HER fault , its THEIRS. the mother , who often doesn't work, should begin finding a job .. maybe as a prostitute if she isn't too old or ruined by too many pregnancies .. that s what a good mother would do.

We are here to procreate until we stop ejaculating...or your stop menstruating. Otherwise we should commit collective suicide once AI is mastered.

Poverty is not a crime, and children were not meant to be a fiscal burden but your society made them so.

[Wadaad]

You are promoting old men to rape young kids. Disgusting. This is also another form of selling kids.
They only marry under aged kids for one reason just like how tourists from europe visit africa and other places to rape young kids. Its disgusting.

a 7 year old is a young kid. Im not talking about them but 14-15 year olds.

Can a 80 year old marry an 18 year old still in 12th grade or no?

[crazyladybutterfly]

We are here to procreate until we stop ejaculating...or your stop menstruating. Otherwise we should commit collective suicide once AI is mastered.

Poverty is not a crime, and children were not meant to be a fiscal burden but your society made them so.

i suppose you also support male boys forced to leave school to work for hours under the sun or in a fabric , which repetitive movements might have a negative effect on their development and quitting school causes them to have no chances of a better life in the future.. or is it only girls that should be used as slaves/objects to sell by their parents?

[crazyladybutterfly]

a 7 year old is a young kid. Im not talking about them but 14-15 year olds.

Can a 80 year old marry an 18 year old still in 12th grade or no?

most of the girls in my videos were married when younger than 14..

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

a 7 year old is a young kid. Im not talking about them but 14-15 year olds.

Can a 80 year old marry an 18 year old still in 12th grade or no?
You can be born in january and be in the 12 grade still at 18

You can have sex with a woman who dropped out of highschool and is 21. What is the point?

Stop trying to defend pedofiles. Its disturbing. In europe their age of consent is about 15 and in some places as low as 13. Please stop protecting this

[crazyladybutterfly]

You can be born in january and be in the 12 grade still at 18

You can have sex with a woman who dropped out of highschool and is 21. What is the point?

Stop trying to defend pedofiles. Its disturbing. In europe their age of consent is about 15 and in some places as low as 13. Please stop protecting this

he would marry a young girl himself. i feel sorry for his innocent wife who doesn't know who she has married.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

he would marry a young girl himself. i feel sorry for his innocent wife who doesn't know who she has married.

This is disturbing as hell. He should be arrested.

Anyone who protects pedofiles should be shot and fed to sharks

[Wadaad]

i suppose you also support male boys forced to leave school to work for ours under the sun or in a fabric , which repetitive movements might have a negative effect on their development and quitting school causes them to have no chances of a better life in the future.. or is it only girls that should be used as slaves/objects to sell by their parents?

What will they learn in school? Do you even know what modern school system is? It is nothing more than the kidnapping of children from their parents by the state, and indoctrinating children on how to sit still inside a room for 8 hours, to make them good laborers when they finish school. That is why there are bells and alarms in the classroom, to mimic the factory. And the longer the school mandatory...the more the state becomes the 'parent'.

The Spartans had dormitary schools that they took their children to away from the parent as early as possible...and in these Spartan dormitories, bloodthirsty ANIMALS were created...ask the Helots about that. It would have not been possible had the kids stayed with their family unit, getting educated by them and helping in providing and the livelihood.

BTW I AM TALKING ABOUT places in the 3rd world that are outside the matrix (western civilization)...not poor copies of Western civ. (like Mexico or China)

[Wadaad]

You can be born in january and be in the 12 grade still at 18

You can have sex with a woman who dropped out of highschool and is 21. What is the point?

Stop trying to defend pedofiles. Its disturbing. In europe their age of consent is about 15 and in some places as low as 13. Please stop protecting this

you are being too emotional and not reading what I wrote, so I will skip debating you on this.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

you are being too emotional and not reading what I wrote, so I will skip debating you on this.
You are for selling kids to old man in the name of "marriage". Am I supposed to be ok with that?
Lets be honest pedofiles are the only ones who want to marry underage kids.

[crazyladybutterfly]

What will they learn in school? Do you even know what modern school system is? It is nothing more than the kidnapping of children from their parents by the state, and indoctrinating children on how to sit still inside a room for 8 hours, to make them good laborers when they finish school. That is why there are bells and alarms in the classroom, to mimic the factory. And the longer the school mandatory...the more the state becomes the 'parent'.

The Spartans had dormitary schools that they took their children to away from the parent as early as possible...and in these Spartan dormitories, bloodthirsty ANIMALS were created...ask the Helots about that. It would have not been possible had the kids stayed with their family unit, getting educated by them and helping in providing and the livelihood.

BTW I AM TALKING ABOUT places in the 3rd world that are outside the matrix (western civilization)...not poor copies of Western civ. (like Mexico or China)

the scholastic system is often programmed badly and can often supprimate the warrior instincts of a child , it did it for me :(
those whoreish teachers taught me not to defend myself and to submit to bullies like a little puppy

but education is important today , even in 3rd world countries ..

sadly it is so poorly programmed that kids end up restudying the same ,sometimes useless, stuff twince or 3 times in their scholastic experience.
personally i would abolish middle school. those 3 years are just a waste of time .
people should stop going to school at 16 , not 18 or even 19 in some countries , like Italy.
15/16 is the age when people s memory is at its peak , it s the age which should be invested for university .

people would have more time to make mistakes in their life and have plenty of time to choose different roads or be less tired of studying.. or start to become working people , i think it s easier at a younger age because your brain is more plastic but sadly a minimum of education is required by society to have more broader chances.

[Wadaad]

You are for selling kids to old man in the name of "marriage". Am I supposed to be ok with that?
Lets be honest pedofiles are the only ones who want to marry underage kids.

I said 14 is my benchmark...you yourself stated age limitations of 13 and 15, so we are not in dispute...you think I'm talking about 7 or 8 year olds, and I dont believe they should be wed at that age, but engaged is not an issue.

[crazyladybutterfly]

I said 14 is my benchmark...you yourself stated age limitations of 13 and 15, so we are not in dispute...you think I'm talking about 7 or 8 year olds, and I dont believe they should be wed at that age, but engaged is not an issue.

he is against adolescents forced marriage , if you haven't noticed.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I said 14 is my benchmark...you yourself stated age limitations of 13 and 15, so we are not in dispute...you think I'm talking about 7 or 8 year olds, and I dont believe they should be wed at that age, but engaged is not an issue.

My goodness. I condemmed it age 15 and you are saying that 14 is better than 13 and 7 or 8. This pedofillia excuse is sickening. Engaged at 15.... dam that is disturbing.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Parents choose a lot of things for their kids when they are too young to make their own decisions. I'm sure we can all relate.

You are a sick fuck.

[Wadaad]

My goodness. I condemmed it age 15 and you are saying that 14 is better than 13 and 7 or 8. This pedofillia excuse is sickening. Engaged at 15.... dam that is disturbing.

What age should be the legal age? 18? So a childish 18 year old should be allowed to marry...but a mature 14 year old is illegal?

Who is the government to determine it? Why not the parents? Infact, what is a parent's role, except to determine these kind of things?

Who benefits from the determination? The child? Ok, so she is not marrying. What now for her?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

What age should be the legal age? 18? So a childish 18 year old should be allowed to marry...but a mature 14 year old is illegal?

Who is the government to determine it? Why not the parents? Infact, what is a parent's role, except to determine these kind of things?

Who benefits from the determination? The child? Ok, so she is not marrying. What now for her?

18 is the legal age. But i would prefer 21. Same legal age as drinking alcohol.

A 14 year old should never be allowed to be married

Stop the pedo excuses. Shes a 14 year old kid.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

What age should be the legal age? 18? So a childish 18 year old should be allowed to marry...but a mature 14 year old is illegal?

Who is the government to determine it? Why not the parents? Infact, what is a parent's role, except to determine these kind of things?

Who benefits from the determination? The child? Ok, so she is not marrying. What now for her?

Have you ever met a mature 14 year old?

A parent's role is to feed, educate, and provide a roof over the child's head. A parent's role shouldn't be to use the child as a way of keeping property within the larger family (cousin fucking) or to seal business ties between families. Children aren't property to be exploited.

[crazyladybutterfly]

What age should be the legal age? 18? So a childish 18 year old should be allowed to marry...but a mature 14 year old is illegal?

Who is the government to determine it? Why not the parents? Infact, what is a parent's role, except to determine these kind of things?

Who benefits from the determination? The child? Ok, so she is not marrying. What now for her?

how can you determine if someone is mature whatever it means?
a 14 years old is definitely not mature physically , even the most precocious one isn't , but can be smarter and wiser than many older people .. but while intelligence can be determined , wiseness cant.
meanwhile parents can often be abusive , or too permissive or not being able to assess their child characteristics.
how many parents see as immature children their normal 25 and over sons/daughters? how many don't care if their 12 years old is on drugs?
it isn't the government who forces it . it s the people who choose to draw the line somewhere or accept such line , if the people protested against it the government would have abolished such line . it always been like this , even in ancient rome there was a line somewhere though much lower .

leaving such options on parents instead of setting a standard age and then give freedom to all , is the worst thing you can think of .
many would be married when not ready and some would never marry because of their parents...

if a 14 years old is not married she can do a lot of things , even for her family .. like working...

[Wadaad]

Have you ever met a mature 14 year old?

A parent's role is to feed, educate, and provide a roof over the child's head. A parent's role shouldn't be to use the child as a way of keeping property within the larger family (cousin fucking) or to seal business ties between families. Children aren't property to be exploited.

You see it as exploitation because you are accustomed to the idea of the newly weds moving away and only visiting the 'in-laws' on semi occasional basis. The family is the most important unit, more than the individual. The father is the king of his castle, and should be responsible for and empowered with authority that is now given to the state:

Father should decide and responsible for what age his children are ready to get married
Father should decide and responsible for punitive actions.

This was the case in the past, but you guys let go of this important responsibility and handed it over to some invisible bureacracy (which with an issue of a bill, can choose to pluck your 18 year old, mature or not, to fight and die in wars that may or may not directly matter to you).

[crazyladybutterfly]

You see it as exploitation because you are accustomed to the idea of the newly weds moving away and only visiting the 'in-laws' on semi occasional basis. The family is the most important unit, more than the individual. The father is the king of his castle, and should be responsible for and empowered with authority that is now given to the state:

Father should decide and responsible for what age his children are ready to get married
Father should decide and responsible for punitive actions.

This was the case in the past, but you guys let go of this important responsibility and handed it over to some invisible bureacracy (which with an issue of a bill, can choose to pluck your 18 year old, mature or not, to fight and die in wars that may or may not directly matter to you).

in the past young men and boys were forced to join the military and fight the enemy anyway .. see ? the old good ways aren't always right? :thumb001:

[crazyladybutterfly]

it s so obvious that wadaad has been in a loving and caring family that cared for his best interests. i d bet that they left their land to give their son a brighter future.

if wadaad came from an abusive home , was sold as a prostitute to men/ugly women , was forced to work for hours until he got exhausted , if he didn't have a decent childhood he wouldn't be talking like this.

[Kamal900]

These kind of societies are indeed underdeveloped and so on, so it's not shocking to find cultures from 3rd world countries practice this kind of thing. Anyway, people should be thinking about having a relationship in their early adulthood, not in their teens and younger.

[Wadaad]

it s so obvious that wadaad has been in a loving and caring family that cared for his best interests. i d bet that they left their land to give their son a brighter future.

if wadaad came from an abusive home , was sold as a prostitute to men/ugly women , was forced to work for hours until he got exhausted , if he didn't have a decent childhood he wouldn't be talking like this.

My brother died at the age of 12, he stepped on a landmine. Just his luck. (after surviving the most brutal part of the war)

But before he died, there was a period we were disconnected from my dad (he was arrested by a military junta) for 9 months or so...during this time, my 12 year old brother was the 'man of the house' and did basically everything, while my mother languished suffering from shock/trauma/ptsd.

...On topic. If you empower a husband with "king of the castle"...he is also responsible for that castle, and if he falls short of his responsibility to provide, care, protect he should be punished severely, just as he was empowered severely.

With this system, there will be no need for "Big Government" and all its enslaving BS. And it all starts with empowering the family, and allowing teens to marry.

[crazyladybutterfly]

My brother died at the age of 12, he stepped on a landmine. Just his luck. (after surviving the most brutal part of the war)

But before he died, there was a period we were disconnected from my dad (he was arrested by a military junta) for 9 months or so...during this time, my 12 year old brother was the 'man of the house' and did basically everything, while my mother languished suffering from shock/trauma/ptsd.

...On topic. If you empower a husband with "king of the castle"...he is also responsible for that castle, and if he falls short of his responsibility to provide, care, protect he should be punished severely, just as he was empowered severely.

With this system, there will be no need for "Big Government" and all its enslaving BS. And it all starts with empowering the family, and allowing teens to marry.

how are you going to punish such king? i mean... seriously...

[Wadaad]

how are you going to punish such king? i mean... seriously...

Sharia courts :)

[crazyladybutterfly]

Sharia courts :)

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i prefer living a 1984 novel reality :thumb001:

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

You see it as exploitation because you are accustomed to the idea of the newly weds moving away and only visiting the 'in-laws' on semi occasional basis. The family is the most important unit, more than the individual. The father is the king of his castle, and should be responsible for and empowered with authority that is now given to the state:

Father should decide and responsible for what age his children are ready to get married
Father should decide and responsible for punitive actions.

This was the case in the past, but you guys let go of this important responsibility and handed it over to some invisible bureacracy (which with an issue of a bill, can choose to pluck your 18 year old, mature or not, to fight and die in wars that may or may not directly matter to you).

I guess to you selling your child to slavery and an old pedofile is ok because the rest of the family benefits from that cash moeneys.

An 18 year old fighting in war is more acceptable than sex or marriage with a child.
A pedofile should never have or raise kids.

The role of parents are to raise children to be able to have skills to survive in society. Not sell their kids to pedofiles in the name of marriage.

Fathers are supposed to protect children. Not hand their children to pedos.

Woman cook and do the actual taking care of children.

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

You see it as exploitation because you are accustomed to the idea of the newly weds moving away and only visiting the 'in-laws' on semi occasional basis. The family is the most important unit, more than the individual. The father is the king of his castle, and should be responsible for and empowered with authority that is now given to the state:

My maternal grandparents and aunt lived with my parents until I was 5/6. So it's not a foreign concept to me.

In Galician households women aren't subjugated. I've never seen my father or either grandfather lord over their wives. Everything is discussed or argued over. Although no doubt my father has the last word on what is to be done but that has to do with him bringing in most of the money. If it had been the other way around tthere is no way she would allow him to have the last word. Naturally - yes, naturally - who ever consistently brings home the money should have the last word.



Father should decide and responsible for what age his children are ready to get married
Father should decide and responsible for punitive actions.

If the father decided to use his child to keep the wealth within the family (cousin fucking) then that's exploitation of the child for financial reasons. The child is no different than cattle.

How is using a child to seal a business deal by marriage not exploitation? The idea is to use the child as a bargaining chip. It's financially motivated.


This was the case in the past, but you guys let go of this important responsibility and handed it over to some invisible bureacracy (which with an issue of a bill, can choose to pluck your 18 year old, mature or not, to fight and die in wars that may or may not directly matter to you).

Perhaps your historical past but not mine. I know for a fact my parents, grandparents, and great grandparents married people they knew and liked. They made the choice themselves. I know my great grandfather didn't like the woman one of his sons married. No one does, in fact. She's an annoying woman. But no one stopped him from making his own decisions.

The government doesn't force anyone to marry and so your talk about the state is irrelevant.

[Wadaad]

My maternal grandparents and aunt lived with my parents until I was 5/6. So it's not a foreign concept to me. In Galician households women aren't subjugated.

I've never seen my father or either grandfather lord over their wives. Everything is discussed or argued over. Although no doubt my father has the last word on what is to be done but that has to do with him bringing in most of the money. If it had been the other way around tthere is no way she would allow him to have the last word. Naturally - yes, naturally - who ever consistently brings home the money should have the last word.




If the father decided to use his child to keep the wealth within the family (cousin fucking) then that's exploitation of the child for financial reasons. The child is no different than cattle.

How is using a child to seal a business deal by marriage not exploitation? The idea is to use the child as a bargaining chip. It's financially motivated.

That is your assumption. Many things could motivate arranged marriages besides finance, but if its a decision the daughter is not happy with, she has rights protecting her in the sharia.





The government doesn't force anyone to marry and so your talk about the state is irrelevant.

it forces schools, vaccinations, and who you could marry...so yeah it is relevant.

[Wadaad]

I guess to you selling your child to slavery and an old pedofile is ok because the rest of the family benefits from that cash moeneys.

An 18 year old fighting in war is more acceptable than sex or marriage with a child.
A pedofile should never have or raise kids.

The role of parents are to raise children to be able to have skills to survive in society. Not sell their kids to pedofiles in the name of marriage.

Fathers are supposed to protect children. Not hand their children to pedos.

Woman cook and do the actual taking care of children.

I did not say anything about the age of the husband...just the age of the girl.

I'd imagine only desperation would push someone to marry their daughter off to some old guy. My line of thinking is marrying a young woman to a young man

[crazyladybutterfly]

I did not say anything about the age of the husband...just the age of the girl.

I'd imagine only desperation would push someone to marry their daughter off to some old guy. My line of thinking is marrying a young woman to a young man

14 years olds are GIRLS though...

[crazyladybutterfly]

That is your assumption. Many things could motivate arranged marriages besides finance, but if its a decision the daughter is not happy with, she has rights protecting her in the sharia.





it forces schools, vaccinations, and who you could marry...so yeah it is relevant.

oh yeah .. you cant marry a 11 years old ... i feel for you :picard2:

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I did not say anything about the age of the husband...just the age of the girl.

I'd imagine only desperation would push someone to marry their daughter off to some old guy. My line of thinking is marrying a young woman to a young man

Girls shouldnt be worried getting married at 14.
They should be going to school or learning skills to help them get into a job market. When they are 21, then they should be allowed to marry because by then most people have some college background and or work experience.

The burden of being married is too much for a 14 year old girl when she should be developing her concious, education and skill set. At 21 she her mind will be more developed, educated, smarter and she will be experienced enough to make better decisions like marriage ect. She would also be better educated and experienced in knowing how to defend her self in any event shes being exploited.

[Wadaad]

Girls shouldnt be worried getting married at 14.
They should be going to school or learning skills to help them get into a job market. When they are 21, then they should be allowed to marry because by then most people have some college background and or work experience.

The burden of being married is too much for a 14 year old girl when she should be developing her concious, education and skill set. At 21 she her mind will be more developed, educated, smarter and she will be experienced enough to make better decisions like marriage ect. She would also be better educated and experienced in knowing how to defend her self in any event shes being exploited.

These opinions/evaluations are for no one to make but the parents...not for you, not for me...and definitely not for the State.