Two Greek results from Florina, West Macedonia. VERY Bulgarian shifted

[Sikeliot]

These are the type of Greek results I cannot help but think have Slavic influence. They are greatly removed from Sicilians/Cretans.

They are like Thessalians but shift north.

Florina, western Macedonia.

#1:


Dodecad:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.59
2 Atlantic_Med 27.42
3 North_European 27.25
4 Gedrosia 6.86
5 Southwest_Asian 6.83
6 Northwest_African 2.21
7 Siberian 0.42
8 Southeast_Asian 0.4
9 East_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.8
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.7
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.35
4 Romanians (Behar) 9.54
5 Greek (Dodecad) 11.2
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.29
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.96
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.04
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.35
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.88
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.93
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.22
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.53
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.8
15 Hungarians (Behar) 22.82
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.26
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.67
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 24.72
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.36
20 French (HGDP) 25.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.4% German (Dodecad) + 46.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.65
2 57.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.89
3 53.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 46.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.9
4 60.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 39.6% German (Dodecad) @ 3.03
5 57.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 42.3% Hungarians (Behar) @ 3.04
6 77.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.13
7 55.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 44.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.21
8 55.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 44.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.38
9 68.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 31.6% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.59
10 50.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 49.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.63
11 71.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 28.8% German (Dodecad) @ 3.66
12 55.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 44.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.67
13 77.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.67
14 59.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 40.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.69
15 68.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 31.6% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.75
16 77.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 22.2% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.76
17 69.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 30.7% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.77
18 55.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 44.4% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.77
19 57.2% Romanians (Behar) + 42.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.79
20 78% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.86



Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.44
2 North_Sea 16.63
3 West_Med 14.17
4 West_Asian 13.15
5 Atlantic 12.68
6 Baltic 11.8
7 Eastern_Euro 7.83
8 Red_Sea 1.46
9 Siberian 0.73
10 Southeast_Asian 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.41
2 Bulgarian 7.55
3 Greek 7.97
4 Romanian 8.37
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.29
6 Central_Greek 10.48
7 Ashkenazi 11.14
8 Tuscan 11.28
9 Serbian 11.35
10 East_Sicilian 11.82
11 West_Sicilian 12.81
12 South_Italian 14.04
13 North_Italian 14.65
14 Moldavian 16.57
15 Italian_Jewish 18.03
16 Hungarian 18.17
17 Austrian 18.67
18 Croatian 18.95
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.24
20 Algerian_Jewish 19.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Central_Greek + 25.2% Finnish @ 3.68
2 64.5% Central_Greek + 35.5% Hungarian @ 3.7
3 76.6% Central_Greek + 23.4% Estonian @ 3.88
4 89% Greek_Thessaly + 11% North_Swedish @ 3.99
5 88.9% Greek_Thessaly + 11.1% Finnish @ 3.99
6 74.5% Greek_Thessaly + 25.5% Serbian @ 4
7 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.02
8 72.1% Central_Greek + 27.9% Ukrainian @ 4.02
9 67.1% Greek_Thessaly + 32.9% Romanian @ 4.03
10 57.4% Hungarian + 42.6% Cyprian @ 4.03
11 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% East_Finnish @ 4.04
12 74.7% Central_Greek + 25.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.09
13 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% Swedish @ 4.14
14 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% North_German @ 4.16
15 75.7% Central_Greek + 24.3% East_Finnish @ 4.16
16 89.4% Greek_Thessaly + 10.6% Danish @ 4.18
17 83.8% Greek_Thessaly + 16.2% Hungarian @ 4.18
18 52.3% East_German + 47.7% Cyprian @ 4.19
19 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% Norwegian @ 4.19
20 71.4% Central_Greek + 28.6% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.2



PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 36.44
2 NE_Europe 29.59
3 West_Asia 20.09
4 SW_Asia 9.41
5 Siberia 1.41
6 SE_Asia 1.05
7 NE_Asia 0.73
8 Oceania 0.57
9 South_Africa 0.35
10 South_Asia 0.27
11 West_Africa 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kosovar 3.3
2 Albanian 3.69
3 Greek_Thessaly 4.35
4 Bulgarian 4.44
5 Macedonian 4.78
6 Italian_Tuscan 5.64
7 Romanian 7.1
8 Montenegrin 7.26
9 Greek_Central 9.22
10 Serbian 9.51
11 Italian_Bergamo 9.65
12 Italian_Abruzzo 10.16
13 Bosnian 13.36
14 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.08
15 Spaniard 15.1
16 Croatian 15.15
17 Italian_Sicilian 15.29
18 Moldavian 15.47
19 French 16.34
20 Hungarian 17.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Kosovar + 9.6% Tatar @ 1.59
2 89.3% Albanian + 10.7% Tatar @ 1.69
3 92.4% Kosovar + 7.6% Chuvash @ 1.73
4 61.5% French + 38.5% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.86
5 91.6% Albanian + 8.4% Chuvash @ 1.9
6 93.2% Kosovar + 6.8% Aluet @ 1.91
7 87.5% Greek_Thessaly + 12.5% Tatar @ 1.93
8 91.3% Albanian + 8.7% Mordovian @ 1.96
9 58.6% French + 41.4% Turkish @ 1.98
10 89.9% Greek_Thessaly + 10.1% Chuvash @ 2.02
11 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% Mordovian @ 2.03
12 62% Spaniard + 38% Kumyk @ 2.04
13 92% Albanian + 8% Russian @ 2.09
14 96.1% Kosovar + 3.9% Selkup @ 2.11
15 92.5% Albanian + 7.5% Aluet @ 2.12
16 94% Albanian + 6% Finnish @ 2.16
17 90.3% Greek_Thessaly + 9.7% Russian @ 2.19
18 96.1% Kosovar + 3.9% Altaian @ 2.23
19 84% Albanian + 16% Moldavian @ 2.25
20 90.9% Greek_Thessaly + 9.1% Aluet @ 2.25


MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.98
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.09
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 22.04
4 Near_East 6.21
5 South_Central_Asian 6.08
6 North_African 3.63
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.58


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Northwest_ @ 3.196603
2 Kosovar_ @ 4.946487
3 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.179072
4 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.364901
5 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.399037
6 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.555983
7 Central_Greek_ @ 7.540971
8 Italian_North_ @ 8.762552
9 Bulgarian_ @ 9.356447
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.135035
11 Greek_ @ 10.273914
12 Gagauz_ @ 10.408391
13 Ashkenazi_ @ 10.649790
14 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 10.722865
15 Romanian_ @ 10.733406
16 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.187331
17 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 11.230645
18 Italian_Tuscan_ @ 11.327681
19 Macedonian_ @ 11.385414
20 Sicilian_West_ @ 11.493690

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Macedonia_ +50% Italian_North_ @ 2.160010


#2:


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 North_European 29.38
2 Atlantic_Med 29.33
3 Caucasus 26.15
4 Southwest_Asian 8.38
5 Gedrosia 6.01
6 East_Asian 0.72
7 Siberian 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.41
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.65
3 Romanians (Behar) 8.7
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.11
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.9
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.05
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.31
8 Greek (Dodecad) 13.47
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.68
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.84
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.14
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.24
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.22
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.28
15 Hungarians (Behar) 20.4
16 French (HGDP) 22.88
17 French (Dodecad) 22.9
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 23.01
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 23.49
20 German (Dodecad) 23.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.3% German (Dodecad) + 41.7% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.99
2 51.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.11
3 72.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 27.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
4 51% Cypriots (Behar) + 49% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.24
5 72.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 27.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.31
6 80.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 19.1% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.31
7 83.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.9% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.37
8 64% Greek (Dodecad) + 36% German (Dodecad) @ 2.41
9 83.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.43
10 82% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.43
11 85.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 14.9% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.46
12 83% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 17% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.49
13 83.2% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.8% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.5
14 86.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 13.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.56
15 83.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 16.3% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.6
16 54% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 46% German (Dodecad) @ 2.7
17 86.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 13.5% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.84
18 81.6% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.4% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.86
19 67.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.9% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.87
20 51.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 48.5% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.87


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.05
2 North_Sea 18.78
3 West_Med 16.26
4 Baltic 12.86
5 Atlantic 10.91
6 West_Asian 10.61
7 Eastern_Euro 6.28
8 Red_Sea 2.48
9 Siberian 0.43
10 Amerindian 0.32
11 Oceanian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.13
2 Bulgarian 9.08
3 Romanian 9.46
4 Greek 9.87
5 Tuscan 11.47
6 Serbian 11.84
7 Central_Greek 11.89
8 Italian_Abruzzo 12.05
9 Ashkenazi 12.16
10 East_Sicilian 12.78
11 West_Sicilian 13.89
12 North_Italian 14.23
13 South_Italian 15.12
14 Moldavian 16.59
15 Hungarian 17.74
16 Italian_Jewish 18.64
17 Croatian 19.05
18 Austrian 19.15
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.44
20 Portuguese 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.7% Greek_Thessaly + 12.3% Swedish @ 3.07
2 88.5% Greek_Thessaly + 11.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.12
3 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% North_Swedish @ 3.12
4 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Norwegian @ 3.17
5 84.6% Greek_Thessaly + 15.4% West_German @ 3.37
6 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% Finnish @ 3.44
7 82.4% Greek_Thessaly + 17.6% Hungarian @ 3.53
8 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% North_Dutch @ 3.54
9 88.5% Greek_Thessaly + 11.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.56
10 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Danish @ 3.62
11 89.9% Greek_Thessaly + 10.1% Estonian @ 3.7
12 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% Orcadian @ 3.72
13 86% Greek_Thessaly + 14% East_German @ 3.74
14 88.3% Greek_Thessaly + 11.7% North_German @ 3.76
15 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% East_Finnish @ 3.8
16 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% West_Scottish @ 3.8
17 89.8% Greek_Thessaly + 10.2% Irish @ 3.85
18 87.9% Greek_Thessaly + 12.1% Ukrainian @ 3.85
19 89.3% Greek_Thessaly + 10.7% Southeast_English @ 3.86
20 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% Southwest_English @ 3.88


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 35.25
2 NE_Europe 31.55
3 West_Asia 19.09
4 SW_Asia 10.9
5 Siberia 1.46
6 NE_Asia 0.52
7 Americas 0.46
8 South_Asia 0.36
9 South_Africa 0.18
10 Oceania 0.16
11 SE_Asia 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 3.42
2 Macedonian 3.53
3 Kosovar 4.74
4 Romanian 5.23
5 Albanian 5.27
6 Montenegrin 5.53
7 Greek_Thessaly 6.04
8 Italian_Tuscan 6.88
9 Serbian 7.95
10 Italian_Bergamo 10.21
11 Greek_Central 10.7
12 Bosnian 11.52
13 Italian_Abruzzo 11.63
14 Croatian 13.46
15 Moldavian 13.54
16 Spaniard 14.85
17 French 15.19
18 Ashkenazy_Jew 15.46
19 Hungarian 16.11
20 Slovene 16.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 27.3% Mordovian @ 0.93
2 74% Italian_Abruzzo + 26% Russian @ 1.1
3 89.8% Albanian + 10.2% Finnish @ 1.27
4 88.5% Greek_Thessaly + 11.5% Finnish @ 1.51
5 86% Albanian + 14% Mordovian @ 1.61
6 86.8% Albanian + 13.2% Russian @ 1.64
7 54.2% Ashkenazy_Jew + 45.8% Slovak @ 1.65
8 51.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 48.1% Slovene @ 1.67
9 61.5% French + 38.5% Turkish @ 1.67
10 88.4% Macedonian + 11.6% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.7
11 58.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 41.2% German_North @ 1.72
12 58.3% Italian_Sicilian + 41.7% Ukrainian @ 1.73
13 65.9% German_South + 34.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 1.77
14 64.2% French + 35.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.77
15 60.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 39.7% Ukrainian @ 1.79
16 52.2% Italian_Sicilian + 47.8% Slovak @ 1.8
17 64.1% Ashkenazy_Jew + 35.9% Swedish @ 1.81
18 53.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 46.1% Moldavian @ 1.83
19 84.2% Greek_Thessaly + 15.8% Mordovian @ 1.84
20 63.4% Italian_Sicilian + 36.6% Belarusian @ 1.85



MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.13
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 24.61
3 European_Early_Farmers 21.75
4 Near_East 8.09
5 South_Central_Asian 3.43
6 East_Siberian 1.73
7 Ancestral_Altaic 1.34


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 4.884960
2 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 5.162174
3 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.480051
4 Kosovar_ @ 5.643386
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 5.663758
6 Greek_Northwest_ @ 5.860005
7 Gagauz_ @ 6.971461
8 Bulgarian_ @ 7.660244
9 Central_Greek_ @ 8.165841
10 Macedonian_ @ 8.495075
11 Romanian_ @ 9.687947
12 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.911022
13 Greek_ @ 10.331384
14 Montenegrian_ @ 11.087031
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.948113
16 Italian_North_ @ 11.954355
17 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 12.095549
18 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.528255
19 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 12.841938
20 Serb_Serbia_ @ 13.401030

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos_ +50% Macedonian_ @ 3.106889

[Enflamme]

The distances are not really close ... it's 8.00 or 7.00 or 9.00

[Sikeliot]

The distances are not really close ... it's 8.00 or 7.00 or 9.00

They're like half Sicilian and half Hungarian, and score Bulgarian much closer than southern Italian when usually they are equidistant. Think of it this way. Hell, they're even closer to SERBS than to Sicilians.

Anyway this is what a lot of mountain-dwelling mainlanders might score.

[Enflamme]

They're like half Sicilian and half Hungarian, and score Bulgarian much closer than southern Italian when usually they are equidistant. Think of it this way. Hell, they're even closer to SERBS than to Sicilians.

Anyway this is what a lot of mountain-dwelling mainlanders might score.

It's not really close, as I said. It's very approximate. Only a genetic test and a comparison between the genetics of the different populations could confirm whether there is a "Slavic influence" or not.

It is not with a calculator made by people that you will know that.

[Sikeliot]

It's not really close, as I said. It's very approximate. Only a genetic test and a comparison between the genetics of the different populations could confirm whether there is a "Slavic influence" or not.

It is not with a calculator made by people that you will know that.

They shift very far northeast for Greeks such that they are like someone who is half Hungarian and half Sicilian.

[Fustan]

What are their haplogroups? None of this is interesting.

[Lavrentis]

As Enflamme said, the difference is not big.

Btw in the outskirts of Florina there are villages who still speak Slavic. There are people who have been assimilated but their grandparents can easily speak Slavic (the Slavic dialects in question are closer to Bulgarian and Slavic-Macedonian).

[Coolguy1]

Im actually surprised that their distances aren't closer to Bulgarians. The people of Florina are mostly of a Slavic speaking background.

[Skerdilaid]

Do you have their halpogroups?

[Sikeliot]

Im actually surprised that their distances aren't closer to Bulgarians. The people of Florina are mostly of a Slavic speaking background.

Even today? The people to whom these results belong have Greek names, not Slavic ones.

Still, compared to Cretans or Sicilians, or even to Peloponnesians these have a significant NE European shift, almost 30% on Dodecad K12b. This is 3x as high as in some Sicilians.

[Ibericus]

With my calculator (without ancients) :

#1
53.0% Greek_Crete + 47.0% Hungarian @ 3.635
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Hungarian @ 3.658
54.0% Greek_Crete + 46.0% Hungarian @ 3.66
51.0% Greek_Crete + 49.0% Hungarian @ 3.727
55.0% Greek_Crete + 45.0% Hungarian @ 3.732
50.0% Hungarian + 50.0% Greek_Crete @ 3.841
56.0% Greek_Crete + 44.0% Hungarian @ 3.848
57.0% Greek_Crete + 43.0% Czech @ 3.89
58.0% Greek_Crete + 42.0% Czech @ 3.899
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Slovenian @ 3.916

#2
88.0% Greek_Thessaly + 12.0% Norwegian @ 4.229
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% Norwegian @ 4.244
87.0% Greek_Thessaly + 13.0% Norwegian @ 4.254
90.0% Greek_Thessaly + 10.0% Norwegian @ 4.299
86.0% Greek_Thessaly + 14.0% Norwegian @ 4.318
91.0% Greek_Thessaly + 9.0% Norwegian @ 4.392
85.0% Greek_Thessaly + 15.0% Norwegian @ 4.42
92.0% Greek_Thessaly + 8.0% Norwegian @ 4.522
84.0% Greek_Thessaly + 16.0% Norwegian @ 4.557
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% North_Swedish @ 4.607

[Sikeliot]

With my calculator (without ancients) :

#1
53.0% Greek_Crete + 47.0% Hungarian @ 3.635
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Hungarian @ 3.658
54.0% Greek_Crete + 46.0% Hungarian @ 3.66
51.0% Greek_Crete + 49.0% Hungarian @ 3.727
55.0% Greek_Crete + 45.0% Hungarian @ 3.732
50.0% Hungarian + 50.0% Greek_Crete @ 3.841
56.0% Greek_Crete + 44.0% Hungarian @ 3.848
57.0% Greek_Crete + 43.0% Czech @ 3.89
58.0% Greek_Crete + 42.0% Czech @ 3.899
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Slovenian @ 3.916


Crete is obviously similar to Sicily, so this mirrors my estimate of them being halfway between Sicily and Hungary.

[Voskos]

With my calculator (without ancients) :

#1
53.0% Greek_Crete + 47.0% Hungarian @ 3.635
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Hungarian @ 3.658
54.0% Greek_Crete + 46.0% Hungarian @ 3.66
51.0% Greek_Crete + 49.0% Hungarian @ 3.727
55.0% Greek_Crete + 45.0% Hungarian @ 3.732
50.0% Hungarian + 50.0% Greek_Crete @ 3.841
56.0% Greek_Crete + 44.0% Hungarian @ 3.848
57.0% Greek_Crete + 43.0% Czech @ 3.89
58.0% Greek_Crete + 42.0% Czech @ 3.899
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Slovenian @ 3.916

#2
88.0% Greek_Thessaly + 12.0% Norwegian @ 4.229
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% Norwegian @ 4.244
87.0% Greek_Thessaly + 13.0% Norwegian @ 4.254
90.0% Greek_Thessaly + 10.0% Norwegian @ 4.299
86.0% Greek_Thessaly + 14.0% Norwegian @ 4.318
91.0% Greek_Thessaly + 9.0% Norwegian @ 4.392
85.0% Greek_Thessaly + 15.0% Norwegian @ 4.42
92.0% Greek_Thessaly + 8.0% Norwegian @ 4.522
84.0% Greek_Thessaly + 16.0% Norwegian @ 4.557
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% North_Swedish @ 4.607

when you have the time if ever, can you retry mine since you now added a cretan sample?

im from crete

North_Sea 12.00
Atlantic 10.22
Baltic 4.92
Eastern_Euro 3.86
West_Med 16.32
West_Asian 15.14
East_Med 28.44
Red_Sea 7.02
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.97
Northeast_African 1.12
Sub-Saharan -

[Coolguy1]

Even today? The people to whom these results belong have Greek names, not Slavic ones.

Still, compared to Cretans or Sicilians, or even to Peloponnesians these have a significant NE European shift, almost 30% on Dodecad K12b. This is 3x as high as in some Sicilians.

Yes even today. Thats why when we are talking about Greek autosomal results it is important to differentiate between the different regions. Macedonians from Grevena, Kozani, Veria, Chalkidiki, southern Serres region, Katerini etc have historically been Greek speakers. Those in Florina, Edessa, and some other more northern parts spoke and continue to speak Slavic. That being said, these results confirm one thing, that these Slavic speakers of northern Greek Macedonia are a Greco/Slav hybrid. They dont seem to be as Slavic as their neighbors to the north who speak the same language.

[Sikeliot]

Yes even today. Thats why when we are talking about Greek autosomal results it is important to differentiate between the different regions. Macedonians from Grevena, Kozani, Veria, Chalkidiki, southern Serres region, Katerini etc have historically been Greek speakers. Those in Florina, Edessa, and some other more northern parts spoke and continue to speak Slavic. That being said, these results confirm one thing, that these Slavic speakers of northern Greek Macedonia are a Greco/Slav hybrid. They dont seem to be as Slavic as their neighbors to the north who speak the same language.

I just posted people from Thessaloniki who are similar to these:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216145-Thessaloniki-vs-Chios-GEDmatch-results-with-regard-to-similarity-to-Bulgaria-and-Sicily

[Coolguy1]

I just posted people from Thessaloniki who are similar to these:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216145-Thessaloniki-vs-Chios-GEDmatch-results-with-regard-to-similarity-to-Bulgaria-and-Sicily

No one is originally from Thessaloniki, they're parents must have come from other parts of Macedonia, I wouldnt be surprised if they were from a Slavic speaking background like these guys.

[Coolguy1]

Btw, please post their eurogenes k13 and k36

[Ibericus]

when you have the time if ever, can you retry mine since you now added a cretan sample?

im from crete

North_Sea 12.00
Atlantic 10.22
Baltic 4.92
Eastern_Euro 3.86
West_Med 16.32
West_Asian 15.14
East_Med 28.44
Red_Sea 7.02
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.97
Northeast_African 1.12
Sub-Saharan -

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215986-unofficial-Oracles-for-EurogenesK15/page8

[Sikeliot]

No one is originally from Thessaloniki, they're parents must have come from other parts of Macedonia, I wouldnt be surprised if they were from a Slavic speaking background like these guys.

I don't know how we can say this conclusively. The results are also similar to people I have posted from Thessaly and from Epirus, I gather these are common results for the northern mainland, which at one point had a much larger Slavic speaking community that assimilated.

[Coolguy1]

I don't know how we can say this conclusively. The results are also similar to people I have posted from Thessaly and from Epirus, I gather these are common results for the northern mainland, which at one point had a much larger Slavic speaking community that assimilated.

At the same time we have to ask ourselves, were the ancient inhabitants of the Florina area Sicilian like? I really doubt it, they were probably even more northern shifted than ancient Greeks who lived further south.

[Sikeliot]

At the same time we have to ask ourselves, were the ancient inhabitants of the Florina area Sicilian like? I really doubt it, they were probably even more northern shifted than ancient Greeks who lived further south.

I doubt they were. Anyway it is clear to me that all of the mainlanders compared to Sicily do shift toward NE Europe, but at least some Peloponnesians get closer to being like Sicilians and Cretans (and some Sicilians in the southeast of the island approach Peloponnesians). These mainlanders -- the Western Greece result the other day, the two from Thessaloniki, the one from Thessaly I posted last month, and the ones from Florina -- are all WAY outside of the possible range for any island and are clearly more like Bulgarians.

You used to think your result shifted north. Compared to these northerners, you're visibly southern.

[Coolguy1]

I doubt they were. Anyway it is clear to me that all of the mainlanders compared to Sicily do shift toward NE Europe, but at least some Peloponnesians get closer to being like Sicilians and Cretans (and some Sicilians in the southeast of the island approach Peloponnesians). These mainlanders -- the Western Greece result the other day, the two from Thessaloniki, the one from Thessaly I posted last month, and the ones from Florina -- are all WAY outside of the possible range for any island and are clearly more like Bulgarians.

So what do you think the northeastern euro component range was like in the ancient Greek mainland? I think we both agree that they were not Sicilian like. In my opinion, they would probably come up as half modern mainland Greek and half modern island Greek.

You used to think your result shifted north. Compared to these northerners, you're visibly southern.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Even today? The people to whom these results belong have Greek names, not Slavic ones.

Still, compared to Cretans or Sicilians, or even to Peloponnesians these have a significant NE European shift, almost 30% on Dodecad K12b. This is 3x as high as in some Sicilians.

None of these people have Slavic names, but the presence of Bulgarians in Florina is not a secret. There is a tiny minority party which gets most of its' votes in Florina.

[Sikeliot]

My guess is modern Peloponnesians, with 19-22% North Euro and about 10% SW Asian, are roughly a good proxy. Compare to the 25-30% North Euro in the north, and the 10-15% in Sicily.

[Ibericus]

Could you post both results for Dodecad World9 ?

[Coolguy1]

My guess is modern Peloponnesians, with 19-22% North Euro and about 10% SW Asian, are roughly a good proxy. Compare to the 25-30% North Euro in the north, and the 10-15% in Sicily.

You're using modern Peloponnesians as a proxy for how ancient mainlanders scored?

[Sikeliot]

You're using modern Peloponnesians as a proxy for how ancient mainlanders scored?

That is my guess. I also could see SE Sicily or Apulia as close.

[Sikeliot]

Could you post both results for Dodecad World9 ?


#1:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 48.95
2 Southern 26.29
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 23.41
4 East_Asian 0.71
5 Siberian 0.41
6 African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.26
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.3
3 Romanians (Behar) 6.35
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.39
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 6.49
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 6.53
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.89
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.38
9 North_Italian (HGDP) 11.21
10 Greek (Dodecad) 11.36
11 Ashkenazy_Jews 15.77
12 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 16.19
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.23
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.47
15 S_Italian (Dodecad) 17.16
16 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 17.3
17 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.43
18 Andalucia (1000 Genomes) 17.77
19 Extremadura (1000 Genomes) 18.1
20 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 18.13



#2:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 51.28
2 Southern 25.66
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 21.92
4 Siberian 0.84
5 East_Asian 0.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 3.13
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 4.06
3 Romanians (Behar) 5.07
4 TSI30 (Metspalu) 6.39
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 6.7
6 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.66
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 8.1
8 North_Italian (HGDP) 9.14
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.48
10 Greek (Dodecad) 13.61
11 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 13.98
12 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 15.47
13 Andalucia (1000 Genomes) 15.64
14 Extremadura (1000 Genomes) 15.94
15 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 16.63
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 16.76
17 Galicia (1000 Genomes) 16.76
18 Brazilian (Dodecad) 17.08
19 Spaniards (Behar) 17.11
20 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) 17.39



For comparison, Thessaloniki:

#1:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 49.2
2 Southern 26.49
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 23.31
4 Siberian 0.49
5 Amerindian 0.41
6 African 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.18
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.23
3 Tuscan (HGDP) 6.28
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 6.28
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 6.3
6 Romanians (Behar) 6.41
7 C_Italian (Dodecad) 8.85
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.13
9 North_Italian (HGDP) 10.94
10 Greek (Dodecad) 11.43
11 Ashkenazy_Jews 15.86
12 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 15.95
13 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.28
14 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.53
15 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 17.09
16 S_Italian (Dodecad) 17.23
17 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.51
18 Andalucia (1000 Genomes) 17.54
19 Extremadura (1000 Genomes) 17.89
20 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 17.95



#2:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 48.36
2 Southern 28.01
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 22.25
4 Amerindian 0.75
5 Siberian 0.46
6 Australasian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 4.48
2 Tuscan (HGDP) 4.59
3 TSI30 (Metspalu) 4.77
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.54
5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 7.14
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.53
7 Romanians (Behar) 7.64
8 N_Italian (Dodecad) 10.06
9 Greek (Dodecad) 10.27
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 10.57
11 Ashkenazy_Jews 14.51
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.86
13 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.19
14 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 15.68
15 S_Italian (Dodecad) 15.93
16 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 16.12
17 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 16.43
18 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 17.1
19 Andalucia (1000 Genomes) 17.15
20 Extremadura (1000 Genomes) 17.6



Chios:
# Population Percent
1 Southern 37.02
2 Atlantic_Baltic 33.92
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 27.98
4 East_Asian 0.69
5 African 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian (Dodecad) 2.36
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.94
3 Ashkenazy_Jews 3.54
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 3.55
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.26
6 Greek (Dodecad) 6.12
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 8.2
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.82
9 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 10.97
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.38
11 Cypriots (Behar) 15.3
12 Tuscan (HGDP) 16.35
13 Turkish (Dodecad) 16.42
14 TSI30 (Metspalu) 17.27
15 Turks (Behar) 20.85
16 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 22.55
17 Romanians (Behar) 22.73
18 Lebanese (Behar) 22.85
19 Armenians (Behar) 22.97
20 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 23.66



Taormina, Sicily:
# Population Percent
1 Southern 37.27
2 Atlantic_Baltic 34.48
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 26.02
4 African 1.45
5 Australasian 0.52
6 South_Asian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian (Dodecad) 1.15
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 1.31
3 Ashkenazy_Jews 2.1
4 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 2.19
5 Sicilian (Dodecad) 2.3
6 Greek (Dodecad) 5.78
7 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 8.05
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.73
9 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 10.22
10 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.37
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.32
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 16.23
13 Cypriots (Behar) 16.41
14 Turkish (Dodecad) 18.04
15 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 22
16 Romanians (Behar) 22.17
17 Turks (Behar) 22.48
18 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 23.07
19 Lebanese (Behar) 23.58
20 North_Italian (HGDP) 24.08

[Coolguy1]

Could you post eurogenes k13 and k36?

[Ibericus]

Them on PCA plot :

https://image.ibb.co/g3JE75/florina.png

[Sikeliot]

Them on PCA plot :

https://image.ibb.co/g3JE75/florina.png


Clearly "Greek Macedonia" has Pontian or Anatolian Greek influenced people in it, because I imagine the Thessalians would be like the two you just plotted,as would Thessaloniki and the Western Greece example the other day.

[Ibericus]

Clearly "Greek Macedonia" has Pontian or Anatolian Greek influenced people in it, because I imagine the Thessalians would be like the two you just plotted,as would Thessaloniki and the Western Greece example the other day.
if you have more northern greeks you can give me so I can improve my samples (if you don't want to give kits, then averages only)

[Sikeliot]

if you have more northern greeks you can give me so I can improve my samples (if you don't want to give kits, then averages only)

I will send you them.

[Dibran]

With my calculator (without ancients) :

#1
53.0% Greek_Crete + 47.0% Hungarian @ 3.635
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Hungarian @ 3.658
54.0% Greek_Crete + 46.0% Hungarian @ 3.66
51.0% Greek_Crete + 49.0% Hungarian @ 3.727
55.0% Greek_Crete + 45.0% Hungarian @ 3.732
50.0% Hungarian + 50.0% Greek_Crete @ 3.841
56.0% Greek_Crete + 44.0% Hungarian @ 3.848
57.0% Greek_Crete + 43.0% Czech @ 3.89
58.0% Greek_Crete + 42.0% Czech @ 3.899
52.0% Greek_Crete + 48.0% Slovenian @ 3.916

#2
88.0% Greek_Thessaly + 12.0% Norwegian @ 4.229
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% Norwegian @ 4.244
87.0% Greek_Thessaly + 13.0% Norwegian @ 4.254
90.0% Greek_Thessaly + 10.0% Norwegian @ 4.299
86.0% Greek_Thessaly + 14.0% Norwegian @ 4.318
91.0% Greek_Thessaly + 9.0% Norwegian @ 4.392
85.0% Greek_Thessaly + 15.0% Norwegian @ 4.42
92.0% Greek_Thessaly + 8.0% Norwegian @ 4.522
84.0% Greek_Thessaly + 16.0% Norwegian @ 4.557
89.0% Greek_Thessaly + 11.0% North_Swedish @ 4.607

What calc results does this use? If you can run it for me I can post my results. Thank you in advance!

[DarknessWin]

As Enflamme said, the difference is not big.

Btw in the outskirts of Florina there are villages who still speak Slavic. There are people who have been assimilated but their grandparents can easily speak Slavic (the Slavic dialects in question are closer to Bulgarian and Slavic-Macedonian).

These people are slavophone Greeks , nothing to do with slavs and their slavic dialect was the dialect of ottoman macedonia (all population speaked this).
Dont forget that their forefathers fought for Greece against Bulgarians even if some of them speaked slavic like Kapetan Kottas the hero

[chyyris]

They shifted more nothern than average Gheg Albanians.

[chyyris]

Gheg Albanians are 26,75% North European on average at dodecad.

[Ibericus]

What calc results does this use? If you can run it for me I can post my results. Thank you in advance!
It's a program that I made myself. give me your results

[Ibericus]

Can you run it for me as well and plot me on that PCA map together with OP results please?
My results are above your post.

with ancients :
89.0% Greek_Macedonia + 11.0% Khvalynsk_avg @ 3.885
88.0% Greek_Macedonia + 12.0% Khvalynsk_avg @ 3.902
88.0% Greek_North + 12.0% Khvalynsk_avg @ 3.925
90.0% Greek_Macedonia + 10.0% Khvalynsk_avg @ 3.935
72.0% Greek_Cyclades + 28.0% Ukraine mesolithic Vasilyevka 3 @ 3.937
71.0% Greek_Cyclades + 29.0% Ukraine mesolithic Vasilyevka 3 @ 3.952
89.0% Greek_North + 11.0% Khvalynsk_avg @ 3.953
87.0% Greek_North + 13.0% Khvalynsk_avg @ 3.965
87.0% Greek_Macedonia + 13.0% Khvalynsk_avg @ 3.987
70.0% South_Italian + 30.0% Motala12 Sweden @ 3.992

without ancients :

57.0% Serbian + 43.0% Greek_Cyclades @ 4.202
58.0% Sicily_Messina + 42.0% Slovakia @ 4.203
58.0% Serbian + 42.0% Greek_Cyclades @ 4.203
57.0% Sicily_Messina + 43.0% Slovakia @ 4.211
56.0% Serbian + 44.0% Greek_Cyclades @ 4.219
59.0% Serbian + 41.0% Greek_Cyclades @ 4.221
59.0% Sicily_Messina + 41.0% Slovakia @ 4.24
55.0% Serbian + 45.0% Greek_Cyclades @ 4.252
54.0% Italian_Jewish + 46.0% Slovakia @ 4.255
60.0% Serbian + 40.0% Greek_Cyclades @ 4.257

[catgeorge]

First is a Vlach the second is a Greek that was forced to migrate to Greece by Slavs probably living in Monastiri. Distance to Greeks in 2nd is too close to ignore his Greekness and next distance is almost 100% further so he has a great grand parent whom was Bulgarian.

[MercifulServant]

Not very Slavic, I score 39.83% Northern Euro on K12b and yet I'm mostly native Balkan theyre northern European is Albanian level not Slavic.

[MercifulServant]

The second one is more Slavic than me...

Dodecad:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 28.72
2 Atlantic_Med 28.47
3 Caucasus 26.92
4 Southwest_Asian 9.9
5 Gedrosia 4.49
6 Southeast_Asian 0.57
7 Siberian 0.49
8 Northwest_African 0.4
9 East_African 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.47
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.53
3 Romanians (Behar) 8.84
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 8.86
5 Greek (Dodecad) 12.21
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.22
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.26
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.39
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 13.92
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.65
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.06
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.13
13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.74
14 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.75
15 Hungarians (Behar) 21.48
16 Baleares (1000Genomes) 24.06
17 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 24.44
18 Galicia (1000Genomes) 24.49
19 French (HGDP) 24.53
20 French (Dodecad) 24.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 45.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.1
2 55.7% German (Dodecad) + 44.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.62
3 75% Greek (Dodecad) + 25% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.62
4 53.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 46.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.67
5 66.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33.3% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.69
6 54.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 45.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.72
7 57.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 42.5% German (Dodecad) @ 2.76
8 57.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 42.6% German (Dodecad) @ 2.81
9 75% Greek (Dodecad) + 25% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.88
10 65.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 34.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.91
11 53.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 46.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3
12 65.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 34.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3.03
13 53.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 46.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.04
14 67.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 32.1% German (Dodecad) @ 3.07
15 65.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 34.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.27
16 76.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Russian (HGDP) @ 3.42
17 51.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 48.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.44
18 73.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.9% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.45
19 74.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 25.6% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 3.46
20 66.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33.2% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.47

Eurogenes:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.58
2 North_Sea 16.02
3 West_Med 14.96
4 Atlantic 12.5
5 Baltic 11.54
6 Eastern_Euro 10.23
7 West_Asian 9.48
8 Red_Sea 4.33
9 Amerindian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.94
2 Bulgarian 7.55
3 Romanian 8.09
4 Greek 8.52
5 Serbian 9.97
6 Ashkenazi 10.9
7 Tuscan 11.08
8 Italian_Abruzzo 11.43
9 Central_Greek 11.71
10 East_Sicilian 12.46
11 West_Sicilian 12.77
12 North_Italian 13.95
13 South_Italian 15.2
14 Moldavian 15.49
15 Hungarian 17.24
16 Austrian 17.73
17 Croatian 17.76
18 Italian_Jewish 18.15
19 Spanish_Galicia 19.31
20 Sephardic_Jewish 19.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.1% Moldavian + 45.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.29
2 70.8% Serbian + 29.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.35
3 65.8% Greek_Thessaly + 34.2% Serbian @ 3.39
4 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 3.4
5 57.2% Italian_Jewish + 42.8% Ukrainian @ 3.43
6 52.5% Serbian + 47.5% Ashkenazi @ 3.47
7 76.6% Serbian + 23.4% Samaritan @ 3.5
8 72.8% Serbian + 27.2% Cyprian @ 3.56
9 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.58
10 65.7% Serbian + 34.3% Italian_Jewish @ 3.62
11 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.68
12 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Finnish @ 3.69
13 77.5% Serbian + 22.5% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.72
14 62.2% Ashkenazi + 37.8% Hungarian @ 3.74
15 86.7% Greek_Thessaly + 13.3% Erzya @ 3.75
16 67.6% Serbian + 32.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.8
17 56.3% Italian_Jewish + 43.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.83
18 86.5% Greek_Thessaly + 13.5% North_Swedish @ 3.9
19 87.3% Greek_Thessaly + 12.7% Estonian @ 3.9
20 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Polish @ 3.94

You have balkan results that's why you are not really Slavic at all just a native Balkan guy

[wvwvw]

You should specify from which Gedmatch calculators these results are when comparing them to other results. Not post some Dodecad result and compare it to Eurogenes for example. In a calculator I got Bulgarian among my top matches and yet I get 0% East European, or South Slavic at 23andme, GenePlaza etc. In other calculators Bulgarians aren’t close at all.

[wvwvw]

Here are my Dodecad K12b results for example

Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.78
2 Greek (Dodecad) 8.13
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.01
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.2
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.37
6 Romanians (Behar) 11.2
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.35
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.88
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.35
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 14.36
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.71
12 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.96
13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 15.3
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.24
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 22.87
17 Hungarians (Behar) 25.47
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.5
19 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.55
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 26.51

And here’s that guy’s from Florina:


Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.59
2 Atlantic_Med 27.42
3 North_European 27.25
4 Gedrosia 6.86
5 Southwest_Asian 6.83
6 Northwest_African 2.21
7 Siberian 0.42
8 Southeast_Asian 0.4
9 East_Asian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.8
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.7
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.35
4 Romanians (Behar) 9.54
5 Greek (Dodecad) 11.2
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.29
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.96
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.04
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.35
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.88
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 16.93
12 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.22
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.53
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.8
15 Hungarians (Behar) 22.82
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.26
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 24.67
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 24.72
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 25.36



Second guy’s Florina results:

Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.41
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.65
3 Romanians (Behar) 8.7
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.11
5 N_Italian (Dodecad) 12.9
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.05
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.31
8 Greek (Dodecad) 13.47
9 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.68
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.84
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.14
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.24
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.22
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.28
15 Hungarians (Behar) 20.4
16 French (HGDP) 22.88
17 French (Dodecad) 22.9
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 23.01
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 23.49
20 German (Dodecad) 23.69

[wvwvw]

Look how far I am from ”Greek” with a distance of 8,13 when in most other calculators my distance to ”Greek” is like 1, 2, and sometimes 0.

I get 50% Greek+25_Greek+25% Greek

[kleenex]

Could you post both results for Dodecad World9 ?

Could you post my results on your PCA? Much thanks.


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 42.74
2 Southern 31
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 24.85
4 Amerindian 1.04
5 East_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 4.27
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 4.31
3 O_Italian (Dodecad) 4.69
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 7.61
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 8.43
6 Ashkenazy_Jews 8.75
7 Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.3
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.37
9 S_Italian (Dodecad) 10.03
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.39
11 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.48
12 Romanians (Behar) 12.93
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.59
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.87
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.01
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 17.67
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.56
18 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 21.09
19 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 21.11
20 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 21.1

[Sikeliot]

Could you post my results on your PCA? Much thanks.


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 42.74
2 Southern 31
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 24.85
4 Amerindian 1.04
5 East_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 4.27
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 4.31
3 O_Italian (Dodecad) 4.69
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 7.61
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 8.43
6 Ashkenazy_Jews 8.75
7 Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.3
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.37
9 S_Italian (Dodecad) 10.03
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.39
11 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.48
12 Romanians (Behar) 12.93
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.59
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.87
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.01
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 17.67
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.56
18 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 21.09
19 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 21.11
20 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 21.1



Interesting. You jump around a bit. Central Italy before Tuscany before Sicily, before Bulgaria, and then back up to North Italy. Iberians aren't too far either.

[kleenex]

Interesting. You jump around a bit. Central Italy before Tuscany before Sicily, before Bulgaria, and then back up to North Italy. Iberians aren't too far either.

Yes but I don't get much in the way of proximity to Slavic populations. I realize that Dodecad is a pretty solid calculator from what I've read although it may be slightly outdated.

[Ibericus]

Could you post my results on your PCA? Much thanks.


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 42.74
2 Southern 31
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 24.85
4 Amerindian 1.04
5 East_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 4.27
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 4.31
3 O_Italian (Dodecad) 4.69
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 7.61
5 TSI30 (Metspalu) 8.43
6 Ashkenazy_Jews 8.75
7 Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.3
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.37
9 S_Italian (Dodecad) 10.03
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.39
11 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 12.48
12 Romanians (Behar) 12.93
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.59
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.87
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.01
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 17.67
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 19.56
18 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 21.09
19 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 21.11
20 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 21.1

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