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Lavrentis
07-23-2017, 07:20 PM
Title. I've seen like 1 post about Corsicans here.

Sikeliot
07-23-2017, 07:21 PM
Tuscans.

Lavrentis
07-23-2017, 07:22 PM
Tuscans.

I expected this. Do they have significant differences from Sardinians?

Dick
07-23-2017, 07:22 PM
Corsicans are genetically north Italians with a slight pull toward Sardinia, like 90% Bergamo + 10% Sardinian. There might be some pockets of French here and there.

Mens-Sarda
07-23-2017, 08:29 PM
Corsica is split in two areas by a mountains massif that reaches 2.700mt, the northern area was heavily colonized by Tuscans, this is reflected also in the language, that in the north is more similar to medieval Tuscan and to actual Italian; while the southern area beyond the mountains was more isolated and almost not touched by Tuscan colonization, in this area the people is basically identical to Sardinians, most of them carry Haplogroup G and also the language is quite different from that of the north and sounds like a strange mix of Sardinian and Sicilian.

Before the Pisan colonization Corsican language belonged to the same Insular Romance group of Sardinian, but the Tuscan colonization changed a lot Corsican language turning it in an Italic Romance language, however most of Corsican vocabulary is nearly identical to Sardinian vocabulary, with a lot of archaisms not present in Italian or in other Romance languages but only in Corsican and Sardinian. They are also very similar to Sardinians in temper and behaviour, they are true islanders like us, stubborn, reserved, proud of their traditions and of their difference with the "Continentals". They also have in common with us the traditional costumes, that in the past were nearly identical to Sardinian costumes; and also the polyphonic singing style with four voices, which can be found nearly identical in both islands.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_G2a.gif

Percivalle
07-24-2017, 07:26 PM
Corsicans are genetically north Italians with a slight pull toward Sardinia, like 90% Bergamo + 10% Sardinian. There might be some pockets of French here and there.

This based on a sample of Corsicans used by Verenich of unclear origin. Actually all the Corsicans I've have seen are rather Sardinian-shifted Tuscans. And yes, a minority of Corsicans can have minor French ancestry, and there could be an internal variation, minor migrations from Italy and Sardinia occurred even in recent times, and there were some isolated Genoese communities in the island.


Corsica is split in two areas by a mountains massif that reaches 2.700mt, the northern area was heavily colonized by Tuscans, this is reflected also in the language, that in the north is more similar to medieval Tuscan and to actual Italian; while the southern area beyond the mountains was more isolated and almost not touched by Tuscan colonization, in this area the people is basically identical to Sardinians, most of them carry Haplogroup G and also the language is quite different from that of the north and sounds like a strange mix of Sardinian and Sicilian.

In southern Corsica there were also Ligurian communities, probably now completely assimilated.

Mens-Sarda
07-24-2017, 07:43 PM
This based on a sample of Corsicans used by Verenich of unclear origin. Actually all the Corsicans I've have seen are rather Sardinian-shifted Tuscans. And yes, a minority of Corsicans can have minor French ancestry, and there could be an internal variation, minor migrations from Italy and Sardinia occurred even in recent times, and there were some isolated Genoese communities in the island.



In southern Corsica there were also Ligurian communities, probably now completely assimilated.

Genova ruled the island from two fortresses, Calvi in the north and Bonifacio in the south, in Bonifacio is still spoken the Ligurian dialect, while in Calvi is almost extinct

Lucas
07-24-2017, 09:23 PM
Genova ruled the island from two fortresses, Calvi in the north and Bonifacio in the south, in Bonifacio is still spoken the Ligurian dialect, while in Calvi is almost extinct
I've been on holidays near Bonifacio. Nice region.

Ibericus
07-24-2017, 09:28 PM
More or less something like: 80% Tuscan + 20% Sardinian

Mens-Sarda
07-25-2017, 07:41 AM
More or less something like: 80% Tuscan + 20% Sardinian

I think something like 60-40, if we look at the map of Corsican dialects we can have an hint of how the Tuscan colonization reached the island, more in the north and less in the south where the language is different and remained more archaic. The dialect called Cismontano (from Latin "Cis Montem" = before the mountain) is the more similar to Italian and to ancient Tuscan, known in Corsican as "Corsu Supranu or Supranacciu" (from Latin "Supra" = above, over); the other dialect called Oltramontano or Pomontano (from Latin "Ultra montem" = beyond the mountain; "Post Montem" = after the mountain), known in Corsican as "Corsu Suttanu or Suttanacciu" (from "Sutta" = under, below) in this area the Tuscan presence was lesser and the language remained more archaic, under some aspects similar to Sardinian and under other aspects is curiously similar to Sicilian.

see map

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsican_language#/media/File:Dialetti_corsi.png

Dr. Bambo
08-18-2017, 01:58 AM
Sardinian + extra Central and North Italian.