"IE" got cucked by the N1c Asiatic Proto-Finns

[nightrider+]

This was more or less known but now we have strong scientific evidence.


In Europe, modern mitochondrial diversity is relatively homogeneous and suggests an ubiquitous rapid population growth since the Neolithic revolution. Similar patterns also have been observed in mitochondrial control region data in Finland, which contrasts with the distinctive autosomal and Y-chromosomal diversity among Finns. A different picture emerges from the 843 whole mitochondrial genomes from modern Finns analyzed here. Up to one third of the subhaplogroups can be considered as Finn-characteristic, i.e. rather common in Finland but virtually absent or rare elsewhere in Europe. Bayesian phylogenetic analyses suggest that most of these attributed Finnish lineages date back to around 3,000–5,000 years, coinciding with the arrival of Corded Ware culture and agriculture into Finland. Bayesian estimation of past effective population sizes reveals two differing demographic histories: 1) the ‘local’ Finnish mtDNA haplotypes yielding small and dwindling size estimates for most of the past; and 2) the ‘immigrant’ haplotypes showing growth typical of most European populations. The results based on the local diversity are more in line with that known about Finns from other studies, e.g., Y-chromosome analyses and archaeology findings. The mitochondrial gene pool thus may contain signals of local population history that cannot be readily deduced from the total diversity.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05673-7

[Harkonnen]

Unfortunately you are making all the wrong conclusions.

Mind you, geneticists are often ignorant about linguistics, so it appears the paper presumes that the Finnish specific mtDnas arrived to Finland with "Corded Warean Proto Finns (Uralics)".
So they just got some dating done on the haplos and attached it to the first culture linked to Finland that fits the dating. But obviously these haplos could have been really anywhere during that timeframe.

Corded Ware is usually presumed to be Indo-European speaking. As such it would not be most economical reasoning to attach these Finnish specific mtdnas to the early Corded Ware in Finland. In any case these haplos (mainly some U5b lineages) obviously are not IE as they are not found in neither early IEs or their modern descendants.

The early Corded Ware in Finland left no ancestry to modern Finns. The climate cooled down, and these people moved out or died.

So are these Finnish specific mtdnas (mainly U5b) proto-Finnic and or Uralic in nature.

Possibly yes. It would fit well what I think the Uralians are.

It is obvious that any East Eurasian ancestry in Finns comes from the aboriginal Finnlander girls, not from the Finnics.

When you compare the relation between x-chromosome and autosomal dna it shows that there was never any expansion of Eastern men in Finnish population history:

http://i63.tinypic.com/fcp6wg.jpg

The X/A balance in relation to WHG and Neolithic Farmers is equal to Cagliari and Arzana.

Where did the Eastern mothers come from?

The ancient Scythians and Hungarians had Steppic Eastern lineages, in other words Altai, Mongolia and thereabouts.

Finnish and Saami East Eurasian mtDNA lineages are different as they are Siberian.

Recently results came in for the Levänluhta Iron Age site in Ostrobothnia.The results were as I had expected:


Abstract: The population history of Finland is subject of an ongoing debate, in particular with respect to the relationship and origins of modern Finnish and Saami people. Here we analyse genome-wide data, extracted from three teeth found in the archaeological site of Levänluhta, in southern Ostrobothnia.
The site dates back to the Iron Age between 550-800 AD, according to the artefacts recovered, while radiocarbon dating on scattered femurs from the site span 350-730 AD.

When analysed together with previously published ancient European samples and with modern European populations, the ancient Finnish samples lack a genetic component found in early Neolithic Farmers and all modern European populations today. Instead, we find that they are more closely related to modern Siberian and East Asian populations than modern Finnish are, a pattern also observed in genetic data from modern Saami.

Our results suggest that the ancestral Saami population 1500 years ago, inhabited a larger region than today, extending as far south as Levänluhta. Such a scenario is also supported by linguistic evidence suggesting most of Finland to have been speaking Saami languages before 1000 AD. We also observe genetic differences between modern Saami and our ancient samples, which are likely to have arisen due to admixture with Finnish people during the last 1500 years.


The higher East Eurasian in pre-Finnic Finland is to be expected as the region has belonged at least from the Bronze Age to a North Siberian Ykhmyakhtakh cultural sphere.

Material from Bolshoy Olenii Ostrov, dated 2000 BC. BOO cemetary is located at Kola-peninsula. Kola-peninsula is at the northeast of Fennoscandian Shield. Area is maritime part of the arctic tundra zone.

http://i50.tinypic.com/6xyzkk.png

Sorsele ceramic from northern Sweden

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zhmm9l.png

Vardöy ceramics from northern Norway:

http://i45.tinypic.com/e222t.png

Ceramics from the Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov cemetary:

http://i50.tinypic.com/n4tw1d.png

What is Ymyakhtakh exactly?

Ymyakhtakh is a large late neolithic archeological horizon. It's origins lie somewhere in between the upstream southern Lena-river at Yakut Republic (Sakha) and river Yenisei , both of Russian Siberia (note that these run from upstream-south to downstream-north). From there is spread far and wide, even reaching farwest at the Fennoscandian shield. Eastern extreme (or actually western) lies in the arctic Americas. Over the time this large cultural horizon split to local traditions and daughter cultures.

Ymyakhtakh culture is associated with Yukaghiric people and languages.

BOO-site has been recently examined by physical anthropologists and geneticisist. Both have independently come to conclusion that the buried people were mainly of arctic Asian stock.Vyacheslav Moiseyev and Valery Khartanovich from St. Petersburg Museum of Anthropology and Ethnography concluded that the bones found from the site belonged to Asian people. Clio Der Sirkassian, geneticist, concluded that the maternal dna (mithocodrial dna) of the bones belonged to mainly arctic Asians and minor part was of local west Eurasian ancestry.

Burials at the site had strong maritime arctic association. Most of the material artifacts were made of bone, which is typical for arctic Eurasian cultures. Graves were modelled after canoes, which is typical Siberian fashion, derived from the Yukaghir culture. Sometimes the canoe is replaced by the sledge. Many Siberian people, including the Yukaghirs, call the drum of the Shaman as "Soul Boat". Shaman can travel between different worlds, world of the living and the world of the dead. Graves of the boat-shape are not thus so much connected with function of water-travelling but rather with spiritual aspect of the boat.

Now here comes the interesting part.

According to many recent papers East Eurasian admix in Finland is different to the one found in Volga Uralics. As in, in Finns it is indeed of the North Siberian type whereas in Volga it belongs to Mongolian Steppic type. If Siberian is absent in Volga, it is extremely likely Siberian in Finns and Saami comes from Ykhmyakhtak, whereas the Steppic Asian in Volga has been dated to migration period, likely having Turkic origin.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yRHQLYENOFQ/Vfzfp-0wSYI/AAAAAAAAKK4/q9cEarLX_zQ/s1600/gr4.jpg

[Dandelion]

http://i.imgur.com/7KLiVUt.png

[kingjohn]

no .........
http://www.rachf1.com/uploads/5/4/4/2/5442713/5369798.jpg?557

p.s
and there mtdna is european i know a finnish woman who belong to my mtdna
and some american of norwegian ancestery with my mtdna

[Dandelion]

Their Y-DNA comes from m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

[Kamal900]

Their Y-DNA comes from a m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

Finns are only 8% non-European genetically in average, and they're one of the most lightest people in the world.

[kingjohn]

Their Y-DNA comes from a m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

so to you estonians and latvians are also mongolid they have high N1C haplogroup ????

p.s
have to agree for me they look like the mother of europeans blond blue eyes
i am not racist as you don't see me in clasifications forum
but if there is such thing as the nordic race than finns will be there in my eyes

[Rethel]

Finns are only 8% non-European genetically in average, and they're one of the most lightest people in the world.

But they came from Manchuria anyway. Changing the skin is just like changing the clothes.

[Harkonnen]

Their Y-DNA comes from a m0ngs fucking white women and cucking men not unlike the Modern Swede. However, most of their genetic background is still European.

Nonsense. Did you not read my post where I deducted that it was the other way round. There is not a single flaw in my logic. Proto-Uralic N1c1 were pure North Euro, very likely they didn't have even farmer admix.

[Rethel]

Proto-Uralic N1c1 were pure North Euro

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mr_chang_senor_chang_laugh_spits_milk.gif

[Harkonnen]

Jesus Christ the Indo-European IQ is low. I'M TELLING YOU, YOU ARE DYING RACE: The Genetic trash has been allowed to breed and multiply far too long-

[kingjohn]

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml
some reading :rolleyes:

[Harkonnen]

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mr_chang_senor_chang_laugh_spits_milk.gif

Please answer the points I made in my post above. I know you can't because you are genetic trash material.

[Harkonnen]

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_N1c_Y-DNA.shtml
some reading :rolleyes:

Eupedia is pure and utter crap.

[Ülev]

But they came from Manchuria anyway. Changing the skin is just like changing the clothes.

but what's wrong with that area?
https://yandex.com/images/search?text=%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C%D1%87%D0%B6%D 1%83%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F

[Dick]

Jesus Christ the Indo-European IQ is low. I'M TELLING YOU, YOU ARE DYING RACE: The Genetic trash has been allowed to breed and multiply far too long-
They belong in the trash compactor

[Rethel]

but what's wrong with that area?

Where do you read in my post, that is something wrong?
Ask Harkonnen - he doesn;t like Manchuria... not me.

[Rethel]

They belong in the trash compactor

Don't worry about us - we will rise again and Gocie will be serfized again :p

At the 2100 we will be about 2,000,000,000 people, so imagine, what we can do :p

https://tihlde.org/assets/2014/03/300-rise-of-an-empire-banner.jpg

[Harkonnen]

They belong in the trash compactor

In 100 years Europe will be purified from R1, it's going to be all I1, I2, E and N1c1 and it will be marvelous place FULL OF NO BULLSHIT ALPHA MALES

[Rethel]

In 100 years Europe will be purified from R1, it's going to be all I1, I2, E and N1c1 and it will be marvelous place FULL OF NO BULLSHIT ALPHA MALES


Out of four you did guessed only one - E.
I1, I2, and N1 is going to do down. In the
2100 R1 will be still 55% in Europe if the
immigration will has no impact or 44% if
will have the prognozied impact. 12% of
immigrants are also R1 statisticlly... :p

[Governor]

In 100 years Europe will be purified from R1, it's going to be all I1, I2, E and N1c1 and it will be marvelous place FULL OF NO BULLSHIT ALPHA MALES

Dick is flattered.

[Dick]

12% of
immigrants are also R1 statisticlly... :p"R1ehelians; destroying Europe for over 4 thousand years" :picard2:

[nightrider+]

12% of
immigrants are also R1 statisticlly... :p

Does this thought help you sleep better at night?

[Rethel]

Does this thought help you sleep better at night?

No, becasue I am affriad, that this statistical result
does not apply to reality, and the real % is lower... :pout:

[DarknessWin]

Don't worry about us - we will rise again and Gocie will be serfized again :p

At the 2100 we will be about 2,000,000,000 people, so imagine, what we can do :p

https://tihlde.org/assets/2014/03/300-rise-of-an-empire-banner.jpg


Why you use Spartans in your bullshits ??
They belong mostly to J2 .
And Vikings belong mostly to I1.

You fucking IndoEuropeans Cucks must go back to India

[DarknessWin]

In 100 years Europe will be purified from R1, it's going to be all I1, I2, E and N1c1 and it will be marvelous place FULL OF NO BULLSHIT ALPHA MALES

You forget J2 Meditteranean Sea People ,
they are badass as hell

[Porn Master]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/J2-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-Map-J2-M172-Map-J2-Haplogrubu-Haritasi-v3.png

[DarknessWin]

"R1ehelians; destroying Europe for over 4 thousand years" :picard2:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/45/6b/55/456b55a466fcf545f858b9d12a661e7a.jpg

R1 Warriors

[Porn Master]

E, J and N will together destroy R1


xD

[DarknessWin]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/J2-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-Map-J2-M172-Map-J2-Haplogrubu-Haritasi-v3.png

Minoans DNA spread in south Europe ,Caucasus and West Asia
Sons of Philistines and Goliath

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/92/5e/bf/925ebfbc14689031a5b26e3204580939--sea-peoples-historical-illustrations.jpg

[Dick]

these haplowars never get boring :lol:

[Harkonnen]

Out of four you did guessed only one - E.
I1, I2, and N1 is going to do down. In the
2100 R1 will be still 55% in Europe if the
immigration will has no impact or 44% if
will have the prognozied impact. 12% of
immigrants are also R1 statisticlly... :p

N1c1 is going to keep afloat as we have highest native birth rate in all of Europe, which obviously tho still could be higher. Furthermore the quality control is kept in check because in Finland, the highly educated are having more babies than anywhere else.


“Particularly worrying is that levels of infertility are increasing for low-skilled women and men alike,” says Professor Rotkirch. She believes this is linked to economic and social uncertainty.
Highly educated, wealthier men have long been found to have more children than lower educated and less lucratively employed men.Furthermore, the birth rate is particularly clearly divided along social lines in Finland, according to Rotkirch.
“Our acquisition of children is clearly divided,” she says. “It’s much more even in the other Nordic countries.”


Our IQ is going to keep growing and growing.

[Porn Master]

world



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png

[Porn Master]

N has high IQ and is most strong in harsh weather. J has creativity and mystic-oriented

[Rethel]

They belong mostly to J2 .
And Vikings belong mostly to I1.

Tell me yet they speak their language... :picard2:

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mr_chang_senor_chang_laugh_spits_milk.gif


You forget J2 Meditteranean Sea People ,

Sorry, probably R1 too... with one exeption for Philistines who were E1.

[kingjohn]

my brother had finnish girlfirend once
blond blue eyed tall
what more can you ask :)
and in contrary to other nations they are not so full of themself that they are good looking .....
pretty rare thing .....

[Rethel]

these haplowars never get boring :lol:

It is depending, with whom is the war.
With such DarknessWin it get boring at the beginning.
He has no clue, no knowledge, no even idea what he is talking about.

[Dick]

N1c1 is going to keep afloat as we have highest native birth rate in all of Europe, which obviously tho still could be higher. Furthermore the quality control is kept in check because in Finland, the highly educated are having more babies than anywhere else.



Our IQ is going to keep growing and growing.

One day the Finns will rule Europe. You are the only euro nation that fights in hockey games. That says a lot.

[Dick]

It is depending, with whom is the war.
With such DarknessWin it get boring at the beginning.
He has no clue, no knowledge, no even idea what he is talking about.

Neither do you. You're just entertaining

[Rethel]

Our IQ is going to keep growing and growing.

Sadly, you are not N1... :picard2:

[Rethel]

Neither do you.

Do better - why you dont?
Insted you are eternaly butthurted and envy...


You're just entertaining

I try to be that too. 2 in 1.

[Porn Master]

actual issue http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216242-Indo-Europeans-vs-non-Indo-Europeans-on-the-apricity you're either IE or non-IE

[Dick]

Do better - why you dont?
Insted you are eternaly butthurted and envy...



I try to be that too. 2 in 1.

Ok Stears :lol:

[Rethel]

actual issue http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216242-Indo-Europeans-vs-non-Indo-Europeans-on-the-apricity you're either IE or non-IE

Such poll allready exists, and is not only about IEs but many others. 50% who did participated in the poll are IEs.

[Porn Master]

Such poll allready exists, and is not only about IEs but many others. 50% who did participated here are IEs.




give source

[kingjohn]

finnish mtdna
new paper back to the corded -ware
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-05673-7#supplementary-information

[Rethel]

give source

Here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?5553-What-s-Your-Y-DNA-Haplogroup

[Porn Master]

Here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?5553-What-s-Your-Y-DNA-Haplogroup




I mean this


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e0/35/83/e035835330793e2fc6ac44ab0d9dd20a--european-languages-mappa-mundi.jpg

[Rethel]

I mean this

So you voted wrongly :laugh:

And you should write: do you speak IE language - as a question.
Delete and make another one.

[Porn Master]

So you voted wrongly :laugh:

And you should write: do you speak IE language - as a question.
Delete and make another one.



linguistically and culturally I'm not. Culture and linguistic make you one group

[Harkonnen]

Sadly, you are not N1... :picard2:

Coming from you I take this as compliment.

Yes I am N1c1. My maternal grandfather by the way was I1. He had seven sons and altogether about dozen kids, including my momsy. He had great genes (not here so much pointing to his ydna but overall character of the man) so it was great he put them into use.

If you are serious about R1 I recommend you castrate yourself. You are carrying dysfunctional genes which if let loose will ultimately lead to the destruction of the Indo-Europeans.
Remember to warm the knife in fire before you use it.

[Dick]

Coming from you I take this as compliment.

Yes I am N1c1. My maternal grandfather by the way was I1. He had seven sons and altogether about dozen kids, including my momsy. He had great genes (not here so much pointing to his ydna but overall character of the man) so it was great he put them into use.

If you are serious about R1 I recommend you castrate yourself. You are carrying dysfunctional genes which if let loose will ultimately lead to the destruction of the Indo-Europeans.
Remember to warm the knife in fire before you use it.

He thinks we are envious of him. I've seen his pic. He is short, has a round face and the body of a horse jockey. Meanwhile I am built like a national hockey league defenseman.

[kingjohn]

famous people in haplogroup I
this is for dick a funny guy :)

http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/famous_y-dna_by_haplogroup.shtml#I1

[Rethel]

He thinks we are envious of him.

:picard2:


I've seen his pic. He is short, has a round face and the body of a horse jockey.

:picard2:


Meanwhile I am built like a national hockey league defenseman.

Amd still you can't write post longer than one sentence,
which usually is not helpfull in the topic anyway...

People like him: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/hOHvMqAgcmc/hqdefault.jpg
are even better build than you - but sadly, they did not build their brain...

[kingjohn]

this finland diamond : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jouko_Ahola :thumb001:
more than likely he belong to N1C
BY THE WAY RURIK LINE IS N

[Dick]

https://i.giphy.com/media/Gt4FaBEFngjL2/giphy.webp

[non-foras-ire]

Rethel your memes suck.
R1 can never raise the level of the culture they invade, they only use it.
R1 is only the end-user, the consumer, the fodder for wars where there are no heroes. Only rape and nepotism create a king out of R1.

Walmart is the spiritual home of R1, also their final resting place in history. It's the grand megalithic culture of R1.

Leave the soul, culture and philosophy to others, you just hurt others and humiliate yourself.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170725/61a4680ec2a4cbf51a1f38d98ae55842.jpg

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[Rethel]

Coming from you I take this as compliment.

Do you really think, I have something against N-people? :coffee:

[Balmung]

He thinks we are envious of him. I've seen his pic. He is short, has a round face and the body of a horse jockey. Meanwhile I am built like a national hockey league defenseman.

Wtf Dick, you evolved into a swarth.

[Insuperable]

Coming from you I take this as compliment.

Yes I am N1c1. My maternal grandfather by the way was I1. He had seven sons and altogether about dozen kids, including my momsy. He had great genes (not here so much pointing to his ydna but overall character of the man) so it was great he put them into use.

If you are serious about R1 I recommend you castrate yourself. You are carrying dysfunctional genes which if let loose will ultimately lead to the destruction of the Indo-Europeans.
Remember to warm the knife in fire before you use it.

:pound:

[DarknessWin]

Tell me yet they speak their language... :picard2:

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mr_chang_senor_chang_laugh_spits_milk.gif



Sorry, probably R1 too... with one exeption for Philistines who were E1.


Language have nothing to do, you mean Indoeuropean Language?? LOL

Philistines were both J2 and EV13 and they speaked Indoeuropean Language. So what??

They were the stronger warriors even, even Vikings were nothing compare to them.
They were like Giants at that time with Goliath a warrior 2.5 meter tall

At their time R1 people were nomad gypsies lived in Steppes.

You say that i am clueless ?? Tell me idiot what Haplogroup are Indians and Gypsies?? They are R1

[Rethel]

Language have nothing to do,

It has everything to do, because valuable people do care about their language and do not abandon it.

And if you have some wet dreams about the superiority of some hg or domination
over others, then the lack of own language witness' against such dreams...


you mean Indoeuropean Language?? LOL

J2? :picard1:


Philistines were both J2 and EV13

Nope.
They were basically EV13.
Maybe they have some R1 elite if your IE quess is correct.
Basically J-group haplogroups they did absorbed when they
arrived into Canaan - but obvioysly it was not their, the same
as R1 wasn't their original hg and if was then was exigousos.
Even if they took some J-folk from Greece, it werent original
Philistines, and we do not know, what the role they play.
Could be even a subjugated people, slaves or servants.


and they speaked Indoeuropean Language.

No, they don't. Btw, there is no proof that they speak any language.


So what??

Nothing. I do not sit in your head.
I don;t know, what did you reffer by this to.


They were the stronger warriors even, even Vikings were nothing compare to them.

Maybe they were good warriors, but there is no way to compare them.
Rest are some strage dreams of yours.


They were like Giants at that time with Goliath a warrior 2.5 meter tall

Goliath was not 2.5 m but some 3.3 m, and he was NOT a Philistine.


At their time R1 people were nomad gypsies lived in Steppes.

Did you have some trauma or you have some pathological need for
offending people combined with lying and dazzling with own delusions? :confused:


You say that i am clueless ?? Tell me idiot what Haplogroup are Indians and Gypsies?? They are R1

Did you have some trauma or you have some pathological need for
offending people combined with lying and dazzling with own delusions? :confused:

[DarknessWin]

It has everything to do, because valuable people do care about their language and do not abandon it.

And if you have some wet dreams about the superiority of some hg or domination
over others, then the lack of own language witness' against such dreams...



J2? :picard1:



Nope.
They were basically EV13.
Maybe they have some R1 elite if your IE quess is correct.
Basically J-group haplogroups they did absorbed when they
arrived into Canaan - but obvioysly it was not their, the same
as R1 wasn't their original hg and if was then was exigousos.
Even if they took some J-folk from Greece, it werent original
Philistines, and we do not know, what the role they play.
Could be even a subjugated people, slaves or servants.



No, they don't. Btw, there is no proof that they speak any language.



Nothing. I do not sit in your head.
I don;t know, what did you reffer by this to.



Maybe they were good warriors, but there is no way to compare them.
Rest are some strage dreams of yours.



Goliath was not 2.5 m but some 3.3 m, and he was NOT a Philistine.



Did you have some trauma or you have some pathological need for
offending people combined with lying and dazzling with own delusions? :confused:



Did you have some trauma or you have some pathological need for
offending people combined with lying and dazzling with own delusions? :confused:


Again lies and lies from the clown of Appricity, read kid:

4 A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. His height was six cubits and a span.[a] 5 He had a bronze helmet on his head and wore a coat of scale armor of bronze weighing five thousand shekels[b]; 6 on his legs he wore bronze greaves, and a bronze javelin was slung on his back. 7 His spear shaft was like a weaver’s rod, and its iron point weighed six hundred shekels.[c] His shield bearer went ahead of him.

8 Goliath stood and shouted to the ranks of Israel, “Why do you come out and line up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and are you not the servants of Saul? Choose a man and have him come down to me. 9 If he is able to fight and kill me, we will become your subjects; but if I overcome him and kill him, you will become our subjects and serve us.” 10 Then the Philistine said, “This day I defy the armies of Israel! Give me a man and let us fight each other.” 11 On hearing the Philistine’s words, Saul and all the Israelites were dismayed and terrified.

He called himself Philistine , he was Phillistine. Maybe 3 meters tall , that's what mater is that he was Philistine and Philistines were Sea People and they came from Crete.

So they were Cretans , Cretans Haplogroup are mostly J2 and EV13.
Of course they speaked Indoeuropean Language like Whole Greece

You short mongoloid fucked can go back to steppe please??? Or i will come there and sent you back in asia with punches and kicks.

[Rethel]

Again lies and lies from the clown of Appricity, read kid:

Interesting argument...


4 A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. (aso)

If you are going about the Bible, you should read the whole context.
Btw, logic (sic!) should tell you, that Philistines were not giants...


He called himself Philistine,

If you want to be so clear, he did not. He asked, if he is.


he was Phillistine.

No, he wans't. He just fight in Filistine army. Probably was a mercenary.
And Gath was also the last city were Rephaites runned away, so nothing
strage, that he was just there. Bible is very clear about his ethnicity:

And it came about after this that war began breaking out at Geʹzer with the Phi·lisʹtines. It was then that Sibʹbe·cai the Huʹshath·ite struck down Sipʹpai of those born of the Rephʹa·im, so that they were subdued. And there came to be war again with the Phi·lisʹtines; and El·haʹnan the son of Jaʹir got to strike down Lahʹmi the brother of Go·liʹath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like the beam of loom workers. And there came to be war again at Gath, when there happened to be a man of extraordinary size whose fingers and toes were in sixes, twenty-four; and he, too, had been born to the Rephʹa·im. And he kept taunting Israel. Finally Jonʹa·than the son of Shimʹe·a the brother of David struck him down. These were the ones that had been born to the Rephaim in Gath; and they came to fall by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.


Maybe 3 meters tall , that's what mater is that he was Philistine and Philistines were Sea People and they came from Crete.

But he was not from the Crete, neither he was a Philistine, nethier they were J.


So they were Cretans , Cretans Haplogroup are mostly J2 and EV13.

They came from the Crete, but they were not Creteans,
nether J2, becasue Kaphtorites were also E1.


Of course they speaked Indoeuropean Language like Whole Greece

Not necessarly.


You short mongoloid fucked can go back to steppe please??? Or i will come there and sent you back in asia with punches and kicks.

Did you have some trauma or you have some pathological need for
offending people combined with lying and dazzling with own delusions? :confused:
Or you just want to be ignored again?

[Dick]

Wtf Dick, you evolved into a swarth.

Spray tan, bro. Features are the same.

[Dorian]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/bible-philistine-israelite-israel-ashkelon-discovery-burial-archaeology-sea-peoples/
Discovery of Philistine Cemetery May Solve Biblical Mystery

An international team of researchers is currently conducting DNA research, isotopic analysis, and biological distance studies to determine the origin of the population of the Ashkelon cemetery, as well as their relation to other groups in the area.

Let's be patient and hope it won't be stopped.

[Rethel]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/bible-philistine-israelite-israel-ashkelon-discovery-burial-archaeology-sea-peoples/
Discovery of Philistine Cemetery May Solve Biblical Mystery

An international team of researchers is currently conducting DNA research, isotopic analysis, and biological distance studies to determine the origin of the population of the Ashkelon cemetery, as well as their relation to other groups in the area.

Let's be patient and hope it won't be stopped.

I guess results should be like that:

50-70% local J, G, T aso...
20-50 % E1...
Maybe - if DarknessWin's supposition aboput IE is right - 5-10% of R1.

But the results should also depend from the period which they are.
And if they will test only a couple of samples, then propotions could be not representative.

[DarknessWin]

Interesting argument...



If you are going about the Bible, you should read the whole context.
Btw, logic (sic!) should tell you, that Philistines were not giants...



If you want to be so clear, he did not. He asked, if he is.



No, he wans't. He just fight in Filistine army. Probably was a mercenary.
And Gath was also the last city were Rephaites runned away, so nothing
strage, that he was just there. Bible is very clear about his ethnicity:

And it came about after this that war began breaking out at Geʹzer with the Phi·lisʹtines. It was then that Sibʹbe·cai the Huʹshath·ite struck down Sipʹpai of those born of the Rephʹa·im, so that they were subdued. And there came to be war again with the Phi·lisʹtines; and El·haʹnan the son of Jaʹir got to strike down Lahʹmi the brother of Go·liʹath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like the beam of loom workers. And there came to be war again at Gath, when there happened to be a man of extraordinary size whose fingers and toes were in sixes, twenty-four; and he, too, had been born to the Rephʹa·im. And he kept taunting Israel. Finally Jonʹa·than the son of Shimʹe·a the brother of David struck him down. These were the ones that had been born to the Rephaim in Gath; and they came to fall by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.



But he was not from the Crete, neither he was a Philistine, nethier they were J.



They came from the Crete, but they were not Creteans,
nether J2, becasue Kaphtorites were also E1.



Not necessarly.



Did you have some trauma or you have some pathological need for
offending people combined with lying and dazzling with own delusions? :confused:
Or you just want to be ignored again?

Man you make me really angry , read the fucking text.
"Goliath stood and shouted to the ranks of Israel, “Why do you come out and line up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and are you not the servants of Saul? Choose a man and have him come down to me."

He make a question , I am not Philistine and you are not the servants of Saul???Its like to tell of course i am Philistine and you are the servants of Saul and we must fought
You are so stupid or you fake it??

He was from Gath , Philistine city . 1 from the 5 cities

Kid you believe that Rephaim bullshit , so you believe that Giants exist that time and were different than Humans.
All of that about giants and Rephaims are Mythology.
Of course he was a Philistine tall man, just that

Also his armor was greek one "He had a bronze helmet on his head and wore a coat of scale armor of bronze weighing five thousand shekels[b]; 6 on his legs he wore bronze greaves, and a bronze javelin was slung on his back. 7 His spear shaft was like a weaver’s rod, and its iron point weighed six hundred shekels.[c] His shield bearer went ahead of him"

[Rethel]

Aha... understand - you want to be ignored again. No problem.