Do you consider Turks and Greeks a different race?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Usually they don't I think. And Northeast Italians would probably get Slovenes.

I opened a thread about most genetically far neighbours and this was discussed and proven. It's surprising, but the truth

[Marmara]

I feel somewhere between zero and nought association with these animals.

Question is about Greeks, not Vlachs, don't feel addressed.

[Mingle]

Usually they don't I think. And Northeast Italians would probably get Slovenes.

They don't. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239582-8-GEDmatch-results-from-North-Italy)

[catgeorge]

Question is about Greeks, not Vlachs, don't feel addressed.

East Greeks are partly mainland Greek. I am 100% and I feel no association against apes.

[Marmara]

East Greeks are partly mainland Greek. I am 100% and I feel no association against apes.

I'm curious, did you adopt the musician culture from Gypsies or did Gypsies adopt it from you?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Parts of Turkey has a double digit Oghuz Turkic contribution. I used to think myself that Turks were a bunch of assimilated and Islamicized Greeks, Armenians, Arabs and Slavs

And they are. Modern Turks have more in common with those ethnic groups you mentioned nowadays than their original ancestors from Central Asia. Being Turkish is just an umbrella term, not a real ethnic group. Kinda like saying someone is Russian, same ambiguity: can be a Slav, German, Chuvash, Caucasian, Mongolian, etc.

[Leto]

Have you ever been to Turkey?
Doesn't matter. Even if I came on a tourist visa for a week doesn't mean I would know the society and the people well enough.


Also, no, some Turkish celebrities have converted to Christianity.
Celebrities are not common people. As a rule of thumb, in Muslim societies leaving Islam is either prohibited or at least widely frowned upon socially.

[nightrider+]

They don't. (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?239582-8-GEDmatch-results-from-North-Italy)

That study that came out recently shows that NE Italians are east shifted and have some Slavic-like ancestry though, but I don't know about the amounts.

[catgeorge]

I'm curious, did you adopt the musician culture from Gypsies or did Gypsies adopt it from you?

Not sure what your point is here. My culture is Romiosyni and folk music is Byzantine.

[Leto]

And they are. Modern Turks have more in common with those ethnic groups you mentioned nowadays than their original ancestors from Central Asia. Being Turkish is just an umbrella term, not a real ethnic group. Kinda like saying someone is Russian, same ambiguity: can be a Slav, German, Chuvash, Caucasian, Mongolian, etc.
It's only in English, in the Russian language there's no ambiguity, we have two different words - russki and rossiyanin. The former means ethnic Russian, the latter means a citizen of Russia regardless of ethnic background.
Doesn't Portugal have black people who speak Portuguese and have Portuguese names? What would you say about them? Also ambiguity?

[Mingle]

That study that came out recently shows that NE Italians are east shifted and have some Slavic-like ancestry though, but I don't know about the amounts.

They are a bit eastern shifted, but still not close enough to Slovenes to get them in their top 20.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

It's only in English, in the Russian language there's no ambiguity, we have two different words - russki and rossiyanin. The former means ethnic Russian, the latter means a citizen of Russia regardless of ethnic background.
Doesn't Portugal have black people who speak Portuguese and have Portuguese names? What would you say about them? Also ambiguity?

Africans in Portugal are not native, unlike Caucasians, Chuvash, Tatars, Tuva, Mongols and all the other ethnic groups you find across Russia, they are all native to their regions.

[Dick]

That study that came out recently shows that NE Italians are east shifted and have some Slavic-like ancestry though, but I don't know about the amounts.

I dont think it's recent or it depends on the individual. This is from an old Ancient Gedrosia k6 pca. The person by me in question is from Veneto apparently.


https://i.imgur.com/l0HaEEB.jpg

[Leto]

Africans in Portugal are not native, unlike Caucasians, Chuvash, Tatars, Tuba, Mongols and all the other ethnic groups you find across Russia, they are all native to their regions.
So what? Russia is a multiethnic country which is huge in terms of territory, just look at the map. But there's such a thing as ethnic Russians. It's like being both Scottish and British or both Basque and Spanish.

[Leto]

Back to the topic - interesting results:

Turkish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cmDWuyAH2s

West Asian 56.6%
Greek 37.6%
Central Asian 5.8%
Eskimo/Inuit 1.0%

[Marmara]

Back to the topic - interesting results:

This "Greek" result is very misleading.

All Turks score it but no Turk expects it, so it confuses all Turks who don't know much about genetics.

[Leto]

This "Greek" result is very misleading.

All Turks score it but no Turk expects it, so it confuses all Turks who don't know much about genetics.
Yes, MyHeritage is far from accurate. How would you characterize her looks?

[lonewolfcypriot]

The only difference between Turks and Greeks is foreskin, everything else is superficial

[Marmara]

Yes, MyHeritage is far from accurate. How would you characterize her looks?

Typical Turkish.

She explained it already that all her ancestry is from Turkey and they all are Turkish.

[Leto]

Typical Turkish.

She explained it already that all her ancestry is from Turkey and they all are Turkish.
I watched the video. She didn't specify though. Maybe in the comments but I didn't bother to go through them.

[Marmara]

I watched the video. She didn't specify though. Maybe in the comments but I didn't bother to go through them.

She explains between 1:20-2:11

[Robocop]

Yes, ofcourse.

What kind of question is this, somethin as: do you consider breathing on Earth is different than breathing on Jupiter?

lol

[Ruggery]

I see more phenotypic difference between Calais and Dover that between the Greek-Turkish border.

[Faklon]

I see more phenotypic difference between Calais and Dover that between the Greek-Turkish border.

Have you seen it with your own eyes since no science supports it ? I have visited both places(actually lived close to Dover) and I would say that the differences are miniscule, like ~2% more blonde haired people in England and ~5% more alpines in Northern France, there is probably more difference between Calais and Marseille but even Marseille is different than what anthrotardism suggests.

As for Greeks and Turks, there are hardcore Armenoid/Iranid types to alpinomorphics with "Turanized" eyes and shades of jet black hair to deep black eyes in Turkey that make a far more obvious difference.

[Ruggery]

Have you seen it with your own eyes since no science supports it ? I have visited both places(actually lived close to Dover) and I would say that the differences are miniscule, like ~2% more blonde haired people in England and ~5% more alpines in Northern France, there is probably more difference between Calais and Marseille but even Marseille is different than what anthrotardism suggests.

As for Greeks and Turks, there are hardcore Armenoid/Iranid types to alpinomorphics with "Turanized" eyes and shades of jet black hair to deep black eyes in Turkey that make a far more obvious difference.

If I have seen them but not personally, the British tend to have more Keltic, Anglo-Saxon, Brunn, Hallstatt Nordid, phenotypes, while the French North (especially Calais) tends to have more Alpine phenotypes (as you say), Borrebies, Atlanto-Med, Subnordids, Faelid, Dinarid, etc. Add to that that the English tend to be paler, have more blonde hair, blue eyes and red hair. The French region most similar to the British Isles is Brittany, more than Normandy and Calais.

The Greeks and the Turks are different, but the difference is not so great in the border area between Greece and Turkey, while as we move towards the east of Turkey, the difference is more noticeable.

[Faklon]

If I have seen them but not personally...

Cool story bro

[Ruggery]

Cool story bro

I have some seen British in person but I have no idea if they were from Dover, I have also seen French and they both looked different.

[nightrider+]

I have some seen British in person but I have no idea if they were from Dover, I have also seen French and they both looked different.Dudeski, French are probably more diverse than Italians. :icon_lol:

[Ruggery]

Dudeski, French are probably more diverse than Italians. :icon_lol:

Well, I know, although Italians also have a high level of diversity, there was a member who posted some photos of Italians who look like Scandinavians if they want to find them, they are in my thread of non-Germanic people with Germanic aspects.

[onetwopunch]

J2a Turkish DNA IS related to Etruscans but not to Turks! You might be related to Anatolian Lydians, but not to Turks!

Don’t be jealous Balkan mongrel.

[StonyArabia]

The basic answer is yes. Turks and Greeks differ significantly genetically.

[Vojnik]

Are you just serious right now? I posted him for trolling, the second guy is a Bulgarian from Macedonia just as Vojnik is.

First guy definetly has no Anatolian ancestry because he has no elevated West Asian admixture. He is a Macedonian Greek who somehow didn't mix with Slavs.

Bulgarian? Fuck off.

[archangel]

What do you define as 'North Euroasian'?

Ancestry from Todays North Central Russia(Ural Region)

[archangel]

What do you define as 'North Euroasian'?


TBH if I saw a Turk or a Greek from a distance I really wouldn't know if they were Turk or Greek. I think that Greeks in general are lighter pigmented than Turks. Apart from that they are really similar in appearance.

Its the opposite ,ethnic Türks(those less mixed with southern ethnic groups such as meds and menas/caucasians) are lighter and look Northern than Greeks(not that its important)
Dont forget Greeks are a southern ethnic group, native the region wheras ethnic Türks came from North.

Volga Tatars, Chuvash,Crimean Tatars and less mixed ethnic Türks are good examples

[Papastratosels26]

This thread LOL

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[nightrider+]

Its the opposite ,ethnic Türks(those less mixed with southern ethnic groups such as meds and menas/caucasians) are lighter and look Northern than Greeks(not that its important)
Dont forget Greeks are a southern ethnic group, native the region wheras ethnic Türks came from North.

Volga Tatars, Chuvash,Crimean Tatars and less mixed ethnic Türks are good examplesAre you an ethnic Turk?

[Thracian]

Back to the topic - interesting results:

MyHeritage should rename the regions. Greek is not Greek in MyHeritage. I also got 47% Greek but I have nothing to do with Greeks. It should be renamed as Balkan.

[archangel]

Are you an ethnic Turk?

yep

[dosas]

Myheritage greek results correlate perfectly with other companies' "Southeast Europe" and/or "Greece, Italy and Albania" categories, neither Balkans nor West Asia. No need to be antsy about it.

[nightrider+]

yepYou don't look it.

[archangel]

You don't look it.

Actually i am how the ethnic Türks are supposed to look like:cool:

[nightrider+]

Actually i am how the ethnic Türks are supposed to look like:cool:Curly haired mediterraneans?

[itilvolga]

Actually i am how the ethnic Türks are supposed to look like:cool:

I do not think so :)

[archangel]

Curly haired mediterraneans?

Curly hair is not a med trait
Here Marat Safin a Tatar tennis player

i can be his broher

https://resmim.net/f/pj8c29.jpg

[onetwopunch]

MyHeritage should rename the regions. Greek is not Greek in MyHeritage. I also got 47% Greek but I have nothing to do with Greeks. It should be renamed as Balkan.

Exactly. I don’t have any Greek in my heritage but I do have 12% Italian which is impossible. These tests aren’t named well.

[nightrider+]

Curly hair is not a med trait
Here Marat Safin a Tatar tennis player

i can be his broher

I don't think so. Squinting can only take you so far.

[Yaglakar]

Its the opposite ,ethnic Türks(those less mixed with southern ethnic groups such as meds and menas/caucasians) are lighter and look Northern than Greeks(not that its important)
Dont forget Greeks are a southern ethnic group, native the region wheras ethnic Türks came from North.

Volga Tatars, Chuvash,Crimean Tatars and less mixed ethnic Türks are good examples

Ethnic "Türks" are long dead. They ceased to exist as a people.

[Voskos]

Turks and Greeks belong phenotypically to the same caucasoid race even though genetically Turks are admixed with the Mongoloid one.

[jackrussell]

I have been to Greece many times on many occasions .

I even have a cousin who is married to a Greek .

They are same people in that Greeks are just like some Turks .

For every Greek ; you can find a counter part in Turks .

:)

Turks World is about 20 times bigger then that of Greek World .

[Token]

Its the opposite ,ethnic Türks(those less mixed with southern ethnic groups such as meds and menas/caucasians) are lighter and look Northern than Greeks(not that its important)
Dont forget Greeks are a southern ethnic group, native the region wheras ethnic Türks came from North.

Volga Tatars, Chuvash,Crimean Tatars and less mixed ethnic Türks are good examples

Early Turks contributed only to, like, 25% of your total genepool. What about the remaining 75%? Lets just ignore it?

[Leto]

Volga Tatars, Chuvash,Crimean Tatars and less mixed ethnic Türks are good examples
Volga Tatars and Chuvash are 75-80% European and even their mongoloid may not be entirely Turkic (they did mix with Finno-Ugric/Uralic tribes). Stop repeating that, I'm sure you don't cluster with those groups, they're way too different.

[Dianatomia]

Unlike the Greeks, Turks have Central Asian, Iranic, and considerbale Middle Eastern admixture. Genetically they do not particularly overlap with each other. Moreover, unlike the Greeks, Turks belong to a different civilization, are not Christian, have a anti-Western agenda and have been a thorn in the eye for European peoples until recent memory. The Turks themselves, according to their own historical narrative, do not really consider themselves to be part of the European civilization.

On the other hand Turks have a lot of white/caucasian blood as well. Many of their ancestors were perhaps part of older European civilizations. Ofcourse they have similarities with other European peoples, especially the Greeks. As Anatolia and Greece were part of the same cultural mainframe for a very long time. Also, Turkey has made democratic reforms unlike any other Islamic nation. But altogether, due to the aforementioned reasons, Turks end up on the other side of the fence.

[Dianatomia]

For being next door neighbors it is surprising the genetic distance is so large between the two.

True. Also the genetic distance between Greeks and Italians is extremely close given they do not even share a landborder. Only the Greek and the Albanian genetic distance makes sense given their proximity. Even the Slavic neighborns are a bit off. Anatolia and the Balkans have undergone a language change and this is evident also genetically.

[Tauromachos]

True. Also the genetic distance between Greeks and Italians is extremely close given they do not even share a landborder.

Genetic distance makes sense once one becomes fully aware of Greeks and Italians history and ancient past
the Ancient Greeks, the Romans and reads ancient Greek and Roman mythology and ethnography



Only the Greek and the Albanian genetic distance makes sense given their proximity.

Because of geographic proximity and because both groups were only little affected by Slav intruders



Even the Slavic neighborns are a bit off.

They are a bit off exactly because Slavic influence and intrusion never realy was in Greece as it
was in these regions.



Anatolia and the Balkans have undergone a language change and this is evident also genetically.

Yes it is

[Karkurdu]

Early Turks contributed only to, like, 25% of your total genepool. What about the remaining 75%? Lets just ignore it?

You pulled that number out of your ass you pentaracial mestizo?

[Bosniensis]

I have been to Greece many times on many occasions .

I even have a cousin who is married to a Greek .

They are same people in that Greeks are just like some Turks .

For every Greek ; you can find a counter part in Turks .

:)

Turks World is about 20 times bigger then that of Greek World .

I've said (and I stand behind that) that there are more Greeks in Constantinople than in Entire Greece

(If you observe Genetics, Ancestry etc..)

If you go by religion, language and culture that's a different story.

[Qamari]

I would say yes but in fact not really because nowadays Turkish people are more Caucasoid than Mongoloid as they mixed with Anatolians, hence they are relatively close to Greeks though they regularly find fair amounts of Central Asia Turkic-Mongolic DNA when doing analysis.

[jackrussell]

I've said (and I stand behind that) that there are more Greeks in Constantinople than in Entire Greece

(If you observe Genetics, Ancestry etc..)

If you go by religion, language and culture that's a different story.

Turks have a larger Gene pool .

:)

[onetwopunch]

Greeks aren’t uniform. The original real Greeks (ionians) got assimilated into Turkish society. The Greeks from nowadays Greece are mostly Albanian, Slav and others who got Greeked. We can see this when we look at Greek independence war. Most warriors were Albanian who became Greeks by British propaganda.

[Bosniensis]

Turks have a larger Gene pool .

:)

You are Syrians + Slavs + Greeks + Turks

First one being the largest, Greeks second, Slavs third and Turks forth.

Nice soup.

[Teutonski]

Jackrussel vs Bosniensis


A DREAM COMES TRUE

its like watching paralympic boxing

[Catarinense1998]

Are nowadays greeks close tô ancient ones? I mean genetically.

[Georgia]

You’d wish to introduce Turkish dick to all Greeks, but that’s gonna stay your wet dream you pathetic rape offspring of a whore.

Your mother has already introduced turkish dick to her cunt (using your favorite word again, could it be bcs youre so starved of real cunt!?) and you are the result..a turkish cunt dreaming to get laid at some point of his life.

Wow, this thread escalated quickly.

[onetwopunch]

Are nowadays greeks close tô ancient ones? I mean genetically.

No. The real Greeks were Ionians and they got assimilated into Turkish society. The Greeks from Greece were Greco speaking romans (they never called themselves Greek) and during independence war Greece was mostly Albanian and Slav. Greeks from Greece are genetically very far from ancient Greeks. Probably Turks from west Anatolia are closer to Ionians.

[Tauromachos]

Greeks aren’t uniform. The original real Greeks (ionians) got assimilated into Turkish society. The Greeks from nowadays Greece are mostly

Nope most Ionians living in Anatolia were actually part of the Anatolian Greek society which Young Turks destroyed and forced to leave Turkey
Their descendants live in Greece now have mixed with the other Greeks and contributed to Greek society,culture,politics and so

Only some inferiority complexed Greek morons will denie this
But don't worry not all Greeks are that stupid



Albanian, Slav and others who got Greeked. We can see this when we look at Greek independence war. Most warriors were Albanian who became Greeks by British propaganda.

Says a Turk so no surprise at all

Here a gift to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufq4ANdccPU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1iVY0ZzcJU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJSUYkkXSk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiO_h6CPc1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0EI93Zw8wI

[Catarinense1998]

No. The real Greeks were Ionians and they got assimilated into Turkish society. The Greeks from Greece were Greco speaking romans (they never called themselves Greek) and during independence war Greece was mostly Albanian and Slav. Greeks from Greece are genetically very far from ancient Greeks. Probably Turks from west Anatolia are closer to Ionians.

Thanks for your answer.

[jackrussell]

You are Syrians + Slavs + Greeks + Turks

First one being the largest, Greeks second, Slavs third and Turks forth.

Nice soup.




There are more Bosnians/Serbs in Bursa than Bosnia .
I salute the BosnianTurks who died for us .

Everyone seems to have a go at you ; for that reason I spare you .

This time .

:D

Have a nice day .

[lonewolfcypriot]

No. The real Greeks were Ionians and they got assimilated into Turkish society. The Greeks from Greece were Greco speaking romans (they never called themselves Greek) and during independence war Greece was mostly Albanian and Slav. Greeks from Greece are genetically very far from ancient Greeks. Probably Turks from west Anatolia are closer to Ionians.

Do you have evidence to back up this claim?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Thanks for your answer.

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Don't listen to that troll

[Rgvgjhvv]

Do you have evidence to back up this claim?

Absolutely he does not

[onetwopunch]

During Greek independence war we can see majority of fighters were Albanian and Slav. By years of Greek British propaganda these mongrels became “Greeks”.

While real Greeks from Ionia(west Turkey), Trabzon and inner Anatolia who got assimilated into Turkish culture have nothing genetically in common with the mongrel Greek from Greece who is mostly Albanian and other.

If you look at the Greek wold most of it was in Turkey that got absorbed by Turkish society. If anything Turks should claim this history because they are the closest. If we look at Greek (crested by the British and live in the state of Greece) they have no genetic affiliation with Anatolia. They have more in common with Albanians.

[onetwopunch]

Do you have evidence to back up this claim?

Turkish genetics. Look into it.

[Valedictorian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJSUYkkXSk


So turks are some kind of crypto-gypsies according to that video?

[Georgia]

During Greek independence war we can see majority of fighters were Albanian and Slav. By years of Greek British propaganda these mongrels became “Greeks”.

While real Greeks from Ionia(west Turkey), Trabzon and inner Anatolia who got assimilated into Turkish culture have nothing genetically in common with the mongrel Greek from Greece who is mostly Albanian and other.

If you look at the Greek wold most of it was in Turkey that got absorbed by Turkish society. If anything Turks should claim this history because they are the closest. If we look at Greek (crested by the British and live in the state of Greece) they have no genetic affiliation with Anatolia. They have more in common with Albanians.

Whatever you smoke, it must be a good sht.

[jackrussell]

Do you have evidence to back up this claim?

‘…HERE I AM CREATING NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH; AND THE FORMER THINGS WILL NOT BE RECALLED TO MIND, NEITHER WILL THEY COME UP INTO THE HEART.’”
- ISAIAH 65:13, 17; also see 2 Peter 3:13.

With this new command, the believers were instructed to not remember anything from the ancient past.
This is how the ancient Turanians and their civilization “changed hands” and identity!

[onetwopunch]

Only small amount of Ionian Greeks (who have real Greek blood) moved back to Greece. If we look at Greece genetics we can see they had minimal impact. Still majority of Greek Dna is Albanian, Slav and others. I mean centuries of Roman interfucking and then Slav and Albanian invasion made Greek Dna in Greece disappear. If you want to see people who are closest to ancient Greeks you have to look at west and north Turkey (rightful owners of this region).

[Kivan]

Wow, this thread escalated quickly.

It's out of control. People need to relax a bit.

[Bosniensis]

Turk singing in Greek ... hmmm going back to roots slowly


https://youtu.be/kjd18bxAFHo

[onetwopunch]

Whatever you smoke, it must be a good sht.

Good counter argument.

[Papastratosels26]

Wow this thread never stops

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[onetwopunch]

Turk singing in Greek ... hmmm going back to roots slowly


https://youtu.be/kjd18bxAFHo

She is already back to her roots. She is Turkish with Ancient Greek heritage (closest to Ancient Greek Dna and language) I Albanian imposters from Greece are jealous understandably.

[Bosniensis]

Wow this thread never stops

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When I see Turks and Greeks in same thread I can make it last 7009 posts... I've numerous revival methods.

[Georgia]

Good counter argument.

I know, thank you :)

[Tauromachos]

During Greek independence war we can see majority of fighters were Albanian and Slav. By years of Greek British propaganda these mongrels became “Greeks”.


Greeks from Argolida

Definetly no Slavs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvoZovm4Rrg

Albanians?
Well maybe some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOUYzoGQtt0

As its not easy to decide what Albanians actually are or what they look like
Albanians history as a distinct ethnic groups starts somewhere in the 11th century

Here is what one of your Ottoman scolars said about Albania and the people living there
"There are several villages in Albania that are inhabited by foreigners, who are somewhat less savage than the natives. Each of these villages is inhabited by only one ethnic group. For instance, one finds villages of Illyrians, Serbs, Vlachs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks. Each of these colonies conserves itsown language and even retains something of its native costumes and primitive customs"

In the Balkan Wars against Bulgarian most fighters where from Southern Mainland especialy Mani and from Crete
Neither Maniots nor Cretans are Albanians or Slavs

[jackrussell]

The present so-called “Indo-Europeans” of Europe are the mixture of late arriving Aryans and the ancient native Turanians of Europe who were forcefully Aryanized and Christianized by Greeks, Romans and their Christian church!

The Aryanization and Christianization of the native Turanians of Europe took hundreds of years to complete and the lives of eight to ten million people - as stated by Homer W. Smith,
[see “Man and His Gods” by Homer W. Smith, 1953, p. 251]. With

Aryanization and Christianization, their language and Turanian identity were completely changed.

[lonewolfcypriot]

During Greek independence war we can see majority of fighters were Albanian and Slav. By years of Greek British propaganda these mongrels became “Greeks”.

While real Greeks from Ionia(west Turkey), Trabzon and inner Anatolia who got assimilated into Turkish culture have nothing genetically in common with the mongrel Greek from Greece who is mostly Albanian and other.

If you look at the Greek wold most of it was in Turkey that got absorbed by Turkish society. If anything Turks should claim this history because they are the closest. If we look at Greek (crested by the British and live in the state of Greece) they have no genetic affiliation with Anatolia. They have more in common with Albanians.

nah, Pontics and Cappadocians are just Hellenified Anatolians. Balkans are the real Greeks.

[Bosniensis]

The present so-called “Indo-Europeans” of Europe are the mixture of late arriving Aryans and the ancient native Turanians of Europe who were forcefully Aryanized and Christianized by Greeks, Romans and their Christian church!

The Aryanization and Christianization of the native Turanians of Europe took hundreds of years to complete and the lives of eight to ten million people - as stated by Homer W. Smith,
[see “Man and His Gods” by Homer W. Smith, 1953, p. 251]. With

Aryanization and Christianization, their language and Turanian identity were completely changed.

Man I will cry laughing if you continue ... please... my stomach hurts.

[Kaspias]

When I see Turks and Greeks in same thread I can make it last 7009 posts... I've numerous revival methods.

What is my roots? I want to discover them with your knowledge.

[onetwopunch]

Greeks from Argolida

Definetly no Slavs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvoZovm4Rrg

Albanians?
Well maybe some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOUYzoGQtt0

As its not easy to decide what Albanians actually are or what they look like
Albanians history as a distinct ethnic groups starts somewhere in the 11th century

Here is what one of your Ottoman scolars said about Albania and the people living there
"There are several villages in Albania that are inhabited by foreigners, who are somewhat less savage than the natives. Each of these villages is inhabited by only one ethnic group. For instance, one finds villages of Illyrians, Serbs, Vlachs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks. Each of these colonies conserves itsown language and even retains something of its native costumes and primitive customs"

In the Balkan Wars against Bulgarian most fighters where from Southern Mainland especialy Mani and from Crete
Neither Maniots nor Cretans are Albanians or Slavs

So you deny Albanians were majority of the fighting force in the Greek independence war?

[Bosniensis]

What is my roots? I want to discover them with your knowledge.

You must sacrifice two rabits and one bird with broken ankle while singing "Ho ho Bosniensis Ho ho Bosniensis" (all dedicated to me)

Then I'll consider to help you.

[jackrussell]

Turanians had been the first natives of Europe long before Aryans from India and Semites from the Arabian Desert came to Europe.

The first Aryans who are said to have come to “Europe” were the Greeks (Rum) who are said to have come to the geography presently called "Greece" around the early part of the second millennium B. C.

When the Aryan Greeks - (named "Graeci" in Latin - from Turkish "Garachi" meaning "wanderer") came to ancient "Greece", they found there a much earlier established and advanced Turanian civilization!

Greeks first intermingled with the native Turanians in ancient Greece and learned everything from them.

The Greeks did not come from Central Asia contrary to any such claims which are nothing but disinformation!

:D

[Tauromachos]

So you deny Albanians were majority of the fighting force in the Greek independence war?

Yes

[Bosniensis]

Turanians had been the first natives of Europe long before Aryans from India and Semites from the Arabian Desert came to Europe.

The first Aryans who are said to have come to “Europe” were the Greeks (Rum) who are said to have come to the geography presently called "Greece" around the early part of the second millennium B. C. When the Aryan Greeks - (named "Graeci" in Latin - from Turkish "Garachi" meaning "wanderer") came to ancient "Greece", they found there a much earlier established and advanced Turanian civilization!

Greeks first intermingled with the native Turanians in ancient Greece and learned everything from them.

The Greeks did not come from Central Asia contrary to any such claims which are nothing but disinformation!

:D

We are all from Syria, trust me for once.

Greeks, Turks, Italians, Balkaners etc..

[Kaspias]

You must sacrifice two rabits and one bird with broken ankle while singing "Ho ho Bosniensis Ho ho Bosniensis" (all dedicated to me)

Then I'll consider to help you.

Unfortunately i don't have two rabbits and one bird with broken ankle.

[jackrussell]

We are all from Syria, trust me for once.

Greeks, Turks, Italians, Balkaners etc..


You all paid taxes to Assyrians but I shook hands with them .

I was the only one amongst all the of City Kingdoms that didn't pay .

:)

I wasn't an Asyrian , I was a Kummuki , I am a Turanian.

[jackrussell]

I say the Turks of today are very much the same in their looks as the ancient Sumerians; Masarians (that is, the so-called ancient “Egyptians”); the so-called Minoyans (that is, the people of the island of Crete who were jumping over bulls); the Trojans (Turks) and Dardanians (Tatar Turks) of Anatolia; the Thracians; the so-called fisherman Pelasgians who were the Saka Turks; the Sea peoples; the so-called Ionians (who were the Turkish Ayhans); the so-called “Hittites” of Anatolia (the name of which is also a recent Aryan fabricated name); the so-called “Phoenicians and Carthaginians”, that is, the Günhans in Turkish, who were criss-crossing the seas in all directions; and in Europe, the Scandinavians Saka Turks; the ancient Norse (Norwegian) people, that is, the ancient NURSI (Nurcu, Güncü) of Comanches (Kipchaks, Bashkurts, Tatars) who are also called the Vikings; the Turanian Suebian soldier Turks, that is, the Bashkurts, Kipchaks, Tatars - who became the ancestry of the present day Germans; and the so called Galatians, that is, the Galacilar (Kaleciler meaning the “castle builders” in Turkish) who made up the ancestry of all of the CELTIC peoples of Europe!

:D

This list can be extended to include many other names as well!



Since the times of a world wide ancient Turanian religion – (based on the concept of an omnipotent Sky-God (creator “Tanrı), Sun-God (Gün-Tanrı) and the Moon-God (Ay-Tanrı), and the Human-Head as a creative god), new business like religions have been invented to replace the old Turanian language and religious concepts. With such religiously and politically motivated social alterations”, ancient Turanians, at some geography of the world, have been alienated from their ancient Turanian identity and converted into some other invented “ethnic” identities.

With such man-made changes, surely, the new generations of these ancient Turanians have been alienated from each other!

This has been particularly the case between the ancient native Turanians of “Europe” and the rest of the Turanians elsewhere.

[Bosniensis]

You all paid taxes to Assyrians but I shook hands with them .

I was the only one amongst all the of City Kingdoms that didn't pay .

:)

I wasn't an Asyrian , I was a Kummuki , I am a Turanian.


Turks are Indo-Europeans like Germans R1a and R1b peeps they came from Beyond Caucasus.

IJ Haplogroup (Assyrian) Sumerian that existed many years ago created modern Mediterranean people.

[Tauromachos]

I say the Turks of today are very much the same in their looks as the ancient Sumerians; Masarians (that is, the so-called ancient “Egyptians”); the so-called Minoyans (that is, the people of the island of Crete who were jumping over bulls); the Trojans (Turks) and Dardanians (Tatar Turks) of Anatolia; the Thracians; the so-called fisherman Pelasgians who were the Saka Turks; the Sea peoples; the so-called Ionians (who were the Turkish Ayhans); the so-called “Hittites” of Anatolia (the name of which is also a recent Aryan fabricated name); the so-called “Phoenicians and Carthaginians”, that is, the Günhans in Turkish, who were criss-crossing the seas in all directions; and in Europe, the Scandinavians Saka Turks; the ancient Norse (Norwegian) people,


:rotfl:

[jackrussell]

Definition of Turanian: “Of or pertaining to a large family of agglutinative languages of Europe and northern Asia, neither Indo-European nor Semitic, specifically known as the Ural-Altaic languages, or any of the people who speak them.

1. One whose mother tongue is a Ural-Altaic language; a person of Ural-Altaic stock.

2. The Ural-Altaic languages collectively.

3. Theoretically, one of an unknown nomadic people who antedated the Aryans in Europe and Asia. [< Persian Tūrān, a country north of the Oxus River]



4. One of an extensive division of mankind, including the Mongols and allied races of Asia, together with the Malays and Polynesians.”

[pulstar]

No, for the most part.

[jackrussell]

The definition states that Turanians were “neither Indo-European nor Semitic” which is true, and it also states that they were “theoretically, one of an unknown nomadic people who antedated the Aryans in Europe and Asia.”

In this definition, the claim that the Turanians were one of an “unknown nomadic people” is a lie and intentional denial!

If Turanians were an “unknown nomadic people”, how can they then compare the Turanians to “Semites” and/or to “Indo-Europeans” –both of whom did not exist when the ancient Turanians were spreading their very advanced reading/writing based civilization all over the world!

Such statements are nothing but political propaganda favoring the Aryans and Semites while denying and vilifying the Turanians who gave civilization to the world!

:D

[Bosniensis]

The definition states that Turanians were “neither Indo-European nor Semitic” which is true, and it also states that they were “theoretically, one of an unknown nomadic people who antedated the Aryans in Europe and Asia.”

In this definition, the claim that the Turanians were one of an “unknown nomadic people” is a lie and intentional denial!

If Turanians were an “unknown nomadic people”, how can they then compare the Turanians to “Semites” and/or to “Indo-Europeans” –both of whom did not exist when the ancient Turanians were spreading their very advanced reading/writing based civilization all over the world!

Such statements are nothing but political propaganda favoring the Aryans and Semites while denying and vilifying the Turanians who gave civilization to the world!

:D

Indo-Europeans = Germans & Turanians & Slavs

Semites = Jews & Arabs

Hamites = Northern Africans

Romans = Syrians, Anatolians, Greeks, Balkaners, Italians.

China is out of the bounds, they are unique.

[onetwopunch]

nah, Pontics and Cappadocians are just Hellenified Anatolians. Balkans are the real Greeks.

What about Ionians who were the real Greeks?

[onetwopunch]

Turanians had been the first natives of Europe long before Aryans from India and Semites from the Arabian Desert came to Europe.

The first Aryans who are said to have come to “Europe” were the Greeks (Rum) who are said to have come to the geography presently called "Greece" around the early part of the second millennium B. C.

When the Aryan Greeks - (named "Graeci" in Latin - from Turkish "Garachi" meaning "wanderer") came to ancient "Greece", they found there a much earlier established and advanced Turanian civilization!

Greeks first intermingled with the native Turanians in ancient Greece and learned everything from them.

The Greeks did not come from Central Asia contrary to any such claims which are nothing but disinformation!

:D

All shits and giggles aside how fucked up are Europeans that they base their history on Aryans who were basically ancient god damned Paki’s and Indians. [emoji1787]

[-Scar-]

Greeks from Argolida

Definetly no Slavs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvoZovm4Rrg

Albanians?
Well maybe some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOUYzoGQtt0

As its not easy to decide what Albanians actually are or what they look like
Albanians history as a distinct ethnic groups starts somewhere in the 11th century

Here is what one of your Ottoman scolars said about Albania and the people living there
"There are several villages in Albania that are inhabited by foreigners, who are somewhat less savage than the natives. Each of these villages is inhabited by only one ethnic group. For instance, one finds villages of Illyrians, Serbs, Vlachs, Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks. Each of these colonies conserves itsown language and even retains something of its native costumes and primitive customs"

In the Balkan Wars against Bulgarian most fighters where from Southern Mainland especialy Mani and from Crete
Neither Maniots nor Cretans are Albanians or Slavs

2/3 of Argolis was statistically populated by Arvanites.

[Tauromachos]

The definition states that Turanians were “neither Indo-European nor Semitic” which is true, and it also states that they were “theoretically, one of an unknown nomadic people who antedated the Aryans in Europe and Asia.”

In this definition, the claim that the Turanians were one of an “unknown nomadic people” is a lie and intentional denial!

If Turanians were an “unknown nomadic people”, how can they then compare the Turanians to “Semites” and/or to “Indo-Europeans” –both of whom did not exist when the ancient Turanians were spreading their very advanced reading/writing based civilization all over the world!

Any significant to mankind work on mathematics or physics written in Turanian
like the Greek and Hellenistic works all of them written in Greek?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yICpKzPv1xI

Byzantine influence in Ottoman music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO4np64sRUU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klwrKiDvkSg

[jackrussell]

“ Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. "

2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.
3 And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar.
4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.”
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.
6 And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.”
8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.
9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth”.

[Tauromachos]

“ Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. "

2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.
3 And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar.
4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.”
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.
6 And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.”
8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.
9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth”.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7tS8IqgJ70


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6s1hrk5QjM

[onetwopunch]

“ Now the whole earth had one language and the same words. "

2 And as people migrated from the east, they found a plain in the land of Shinar and settled there.
3 And they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks, and burn them thoroughly.” And they had brick for stone, and bitumen for mortar.
4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens, and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.”
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of man had built.
6 And the Lord said, “Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
7 Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another's speech.”
8 So the Lord dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.
9 Therefore its name was called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth. And from there the Lord dispersed them over the face of all the earth”.

I bet you can play the 6th symphony with your ass by farting. [emoji24]

[jackrussell]

Indo-Europeans = Germans & Turanians & Slavs

Semites = Jews & Arabs

Hamites = Northern Africans

Romans = Syrians, Anatolians, Greeks, Balkaners, Italians.

China is out of the bounds, they are unique.


The concept of “Indo-European” is bogus and was created in recent times.

It has been conceived as “disinformation” to cover up the fact that the ancestry of most of the present day Europeans were Turanian peoples before they were intentionally Aryanized and Christianized.

“Turanian peoples most likely were either Indo-European peoples or related them” is also misinformation.

There was no so-called “Indo-European” when the Ancient Turanians were the native peoples of Asia, Europe and North Africa.

The TURANIANS are known as being the people who antedated the “Indo-Europeans”.

Thus, one can not identify or relate the ancient Turanians to some group of people who did not even exist as an entity at the time Turanians lived in Asia, Europe, Africa and elsewhere in the world!

:)

[onetwopunch]

Grecoman speaking Romans:
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/R02549/november-1-2018-thessaloniki-greece-students-chant-slogans-as-they-hold-a-banner-during-a-protest-hundreds-of-greek-university-students-protested-at-the-northern-greek-city-of-thessaloniki-demanding-increased-education-funds-and-general-education-sector-improvents-credit-image-giannis-papanikoszuma-wire-R02549.jpg

Seriously? Some Turks say we are related to them? These Greeks look nothing like us. We are more elegant/soft in features and a cool finish. Greeks are generally more rigid and harsher in features. Greeks are mostly African / middle eastern cocktail while Turks more Anatolian and soft Asian features.

[jackrussell]

I bet you can play the 6th symphony with your ass by farting. [emoji24]

http://www.laughteraustralia.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/3ea5d0497f19cd84e3ba3786b57e5a9f/1/9/195b_5.jpg


Fartology wa hissudesu !!!

:D

[jackrussell]

Grecoman speaking Romans:
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/R02549/november-1-2018-thessaloniki-greece-students-chant-slogans-as-they-hold-a-banner-during-a-protest-hundreds-of-greek-university-students-protested-at-the-northern-greek-city-of-thessaloniki-demanding-increased-education-funds-and-general-education-sector-improvents-credit-image-giannis-papanikoszuma-wire-R02549.jpg

Seriously? Some Turks say we are related to them? These Greeks look nothing like us. We are more elegant/soft in features and a cool finish. Greeks are generally more rigid and harsher in features. Greeks are mostly African / middle eastern cocktail while Turks more Anatolian and soft Asian features.

We been shagging each other for a long time ; of course we are related by now .

:D

Ancient Greeks were Ay-Hans .

[Token]

You pulled that number out of your ass you pentaracial mestizo?
A Siberian admixed hook-nosed MENA speaking a Asiatic language using race to insult someone, lulll

[Tauromachos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKxpuU0878

[onetwopunch]

We been shagging each other for a long time ; of course we are related by now .

:D

Ancient Greeks were Ay-Hans .

Well. Good thang we didn’t mix with these lazy and broke bums because they still look not like us. We WUZ khans and shit. I’m against mixing. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181216/8b9c052aca32f815e97e0ed71591cf17.jpg

[Bosniensis]

Summoning: Petros Hulihulis

to destroy false prophets on this thread.

[Tauromachos]

Well. Good thang we didn’t mix with these lazy and broke bums. We WUZ khans and shit. I’m against mixing.

Your country and ethnicity is an artificial shit nation build on illusions,lies,manipulation and murder

The only reason it exists is because the devil is on your side and wants you to exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKxpuU0878

[Bosniensis]

Your country and ethnicity is an artificial shit nation build on illusions,lies,manipulation and murder

The only reason it exists is because the devil is on your side and wants you to exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKxpuU0878

Greece have Zeus, Ares ,Apollo to repel him I believe.

[Bornoz]

A Siberian admixed hook-nosed MENA speaking a Asiatic language using race to insult someone, lulll

Fun Fact: There is not even a single hook nosed Turkish member in here

[jackrussell]

Name of "EUROPE" in Chinese is known as "OUZHOU", that is, "OGUZÖY" in Turkish meaning "HOME OF OGUZ" .

:D

[Thracian]

Turk singing in Greek ... hmmm going back to roots slowly


https://youtu.be/kjd18bxAFHo

Ok Bosniensis. You are right. I am half Serbian now. Look at my DNAtribes top12,

1 Gagauz Moldova Europe
2 Tuscany Italy Europe
3 Hungary Europe
4 Slovakia Europe
5 Belgium Europe
6 Croatia Europe
7 Slovenia Europe
8 Serbia Europe
9 Moldavia Europe
10 Bulgaria Europe
11 Bosnia Europe
12 Czech Europe

Give me a real Serbian name and then we can sing Janicar.

[jackrussell]

Pelasgians spoke a language that Greeks referred to as "barbaric", in other words, it was Turanian .

Pelasgians were the native peoples of the lands that surrounded the so-called Mediterranean Sea far earlier than when the wanderer (=> Tr. "arayandir", "he is gypsy") Greeks arrived at what is presently called "ancient Greece".

"Hellenization" is another way of saying "stealing" every element of civilization that was created by the ancient native Turanians of the area.

The term "Hellenization" is a laundered term making it sound "clean" instead of saying "they stole"!

PELASGIANS were not "primitive men" as they are falsely portrayed.

In fact they had school systems of their own as the Turanians were the inventers of writing the words of their language - first pictorially and then alphabetically!.

:D

It is unlikely that the hieroglyphic system of writing was invented in Egypt, and evidence indicates that it was brought there by certain invaders who came from north-east or Central Asia; they settled down in the valley of the Nile, somewhere between Memphis on the north and Thebes on the south, and gradually established their civilization and religion in their new home.

[onetwopunch]

Your country and ethnicity is an artificial shit nation build on illusions,lies,manipulation and murder

The only reason it exists is because the devil is on your side and wants you to exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHKxpuU0878

Broke ass niggaz who live on German money talking about artificial countries. If they didn’t give you free hand outs you couldn’t keep your pants up. No more leisurely life and anal sex. Time to work. Get up now and start working!!

https://youtu.be/pt8VYOfr8To

[Leto]

The member Bunalim who is half Trabzon Turk (zero Siberian) and half British/Danish plots close to Thessaly

K15 PCA plot
https://preview.ibb.co/hS4jw7/Bunalim.png (https://ibb.co/ezjjw7)

Greek references from the spreadsheet

From the K13 spreadsheet. I left out the insignificant values below 1%

Central_Greek

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.25
2 West_Med 21.47
3 North_Atlantic 16.86
4 West_Asian 15.44
5 Baltic 10.36
6 Red_Sea 5.03


Greek_Thessaly

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.40
2 West_Med 20.63
3 North_Atlantic 19.12
4 Baltic 16.32
5 West_Asian 11.87
6 Red_Sea 3.83
7 South_Asian 1.35
Mainland Greeks are undoubtedly European and not similar to Anatolian Turks.

[Papastratosels26]

Shitty thread

Στάλθηκε από το G3311 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk

[Leto]

Shitty thread

Στάλθηκε από το G3311 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
Yes, it needs to be closed. Enough.

[Marmara]

The member Bunalim who is half Trabzon Turk (zero Siberian) and half British/Danish plots close to Thessaly


Greek references from the spreadsheet

Mainland Greeks are undoubtedly European and not similar to Anatolian Turks.

Bunalım's father is not Anatolian but Caucasian with most likely Pontic Greek origin.

Pontic Greeks are genetically closest to Armenians with no Steppe admixture (unlike Anatolian Turks) that's why they are further away from Europe.

[onetwopunch]

Yes, it needs to be closed. Enough.

Guys. I think he is going to cry. Let’s stop now. No more comments under this line:

___________________________

[Leto]

Good stuff here
https://turkishdna.blogspot.com/
Dodecad averages from various places in Turkey.

[Incal]

Well. Good thang we didn’t mix with these lazy and broke bums because they still look not like us. We WUZ khans and shit. I’m against mixing. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181216/8b9c052aca32f815e97e0ed71591cf17.jpg

Sorry, couldn't resist:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DukxNxIXQAIVrUb.jpg

[Dianatomia]

What about Ionians who were the real Greeks?

Ionian Greeks are highly similar to mainland Greeks and identical to Greek islanders. Ioanian Greeks were the largest part of the Greek refugees who were forced to migrate to Greece after the population exchange. Also, many migrated overseas, while a decent amount also perished. A part of them are also absorbed into the Turkish genepool, but those Turks are only of partial Ionian decent. They rarely overlap with Ioanian Greeks.

[archangel]

ahahaha this thread is gold

[Rgvgjhvv]

For being next door neighbors it is surprising the genetic distance is so large between the two.

Not as much as Italy and Slovenia. Most people seem to keep ignoring that.

[Marmara]

Ionian Greeks are highly similar to mainland Greeks and identical to Greek islanders. Ioanian Greeks were the largest part of the Greek refugees who were forced to migrate to Greece after the population exchange. Also, many migrated overseas, while a decent amount also perished. A part of them are also absorbed into the Turkish genepool, but those Turks are only of partial Ionian decent. They rarely overlap with Ioanian Greeks.

West Anatolian Greeks of 20th century were already descendants of Greek Islanders who migrated to those provinces very recently.

Same with the Egyptian Greeks. These people are not descendants of Ancient hellenes but Greek immigrants of Ottoman era.

[Tauromachos]

West Anatolian Greeks of 20th century were already descendants of Greek Islanders who migrated to those provinces very recently.


Yes West Anatolian Greeks are partialy descended from Islanders who migrated there recently as well

But do you think this would have been different considering Ancient West Anatolians and Ancient Greek Islanders?

West Anatolia was continously inhabited by Greeks since ~2700 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smyrna

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephesus

[Dianatomia]

West Anatolian Greeks of 20th century were already descendants of Greek Islanders who migrated to those provinces very recently.

Same with the Egyptian Greeks. These people are not descendants of Ancient hellenes but Greek immigrants of Ottoman era.

West Anatolia is ofcourse not the same as Egypt. West Anatolia was part of the Hellenic heartland. There was circulation from the Eastern Greek islands to Anatolia, just as there was between the Ioanian islands and mainland Greece. The fact that West Anatolia later would become part of a different politcal sphere is something those Greek populations never would have imagined. In fact, this circulation between West Anatolia and the Aegean has been probably going on since the Bronze Age. There was never an interruption of Greek culture in Western Anatolia during the Ottoman empire. The islanders are similar to West Anatolian Greeks, and ofcourse not all localities were settledd by islanders. After all, how many islanders were there to have colonized the densely populated region of West Anatolia? Now mind you, this is just historical fact. Don't connect this with irridentism or any of that crap.

Egypt is different, it is more distant and there is a lot of evidence that Greeks were absorbed by Egyptians. But the partial Greek ancestry in North Egyptians is easily detectable. That said, the Greek community has to an extent always been connected with Egypt since ancient times. Even if there were different waves of Greek settlers.

[Karkurdu]

Good stuff here
https://turkishdna.blogspot.com/
Dodecad averages from various places in Turkey.

They include MDLP K23b, Eurogenes K13 and PuntDNAL K12 as well.

[Inquizzzitor]

I voted yes. Speaking very generally I guess if we are to say that Caucasoids are one race, then Greeks and Turks are part of the same race, along with Icelanders and Sami from Finland. The Turks have some Mongoloid tossed in there, to boot, so there's that, but assuming we are to distinguish more finely than just being Caucasoid: no, not the same race. So, yes, different races. Turks are naturally desperate to prove they share substantial lineage with the esteemed Greeks - no surprises there!

[Gangrel]

I voted yes. Speaking very generally I guess if we are to say that Caucasoids are one race, then Greeks and Turks are part of the same race, along with Icelanders and Sami from Finland. The Turks have some Mongoloid tossed in there, to boot, so there's that, but assuming we are to distinguish more finely than just being Caucasoid: no, not the same race. So, yes, different races. Turks are naturally desperate to prove they share substantial lineage with the esteemed Greeks - no surprises there!

lol troll

[Cristiano viejo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DukxNxIXQAIVrUb.jpg

:pound: The Real McCoy

[Rocinante]

Depends!

[Corporate_Demolisher]

The fact that one is Orthodox Christian and the other is Muslim is a pretty big giveaway. The difference in culture is mostly due to religion. There is some phenotypical overlap among both. I mean if Turks were Orthodox Christians I would have no objection to seeing them as European.

[Leto]

The fact that one is Orthodox Christian and the other is Muslim is a pretty big giveaway. The difference in culture is mostly due to religion. There is some phenotypical overlap among both. I mean if Turks were Orthodox Christians I would have no objection to seeing them as European.
Had Islam not emerged and spread across the vast swaths of territory in the 7th century and onwards, the whole area between Morocco and Afghanistan would probably be viewed in a much different way today. Especially the most Hellenized, Christian parts of it.

[Nomad]

Greeks: Mostly Ancient Hellenic groups with Slavic,Illyrian and South European admixture

Turks: Mostly Oghuz Turkmens with Anatolian(Eastern Greeks and native Anatolians)Caucasian,Slavic,Illyrian,East Asian and South European admixture

[Zeno]

No, we legitimately cannot be. On average, genetically and phenotypically, we aren't the same. Some can overlap, but it's a minority, and if there's an overlap, it's primarily between Greece and Western Turkey, as the latter has loads of European, especially Greek admixture.

[Nomad]

No, we legitimately cannot be. On average, genetically and phenotypically, we aren't the same. Some can overlap, but it's a minority, and if there's an overlap, it's primarily between Greece and Western Turkey, as the latter has loads of European, especially Greek admixture.

Dear my friend Zeno,I have respect for your opinion but we have significant Eastern Greek-Anatolian admixture also,by the way you should remember that some Greeks they've spread their dna from Peloponnesos into Anatolia,Levant,Iran,Bactria and some Indo-Afghan areas too at the period of Alexander the Great.

[Nomad]

Yes, one is European one is west Asian. And those Turks that are white are mostly of Balkanite origin so not Turks.

are you sure? :)

https://turkishdnaproject.com/anadolu-turklerinin-genetik-yapisi-ne-kadar-orta-asyaliyiz/

[Kaspias]

Yes, one is European one is west Asian. And those Turks that are white are mostly of Balkanite origin so not Turks.

You are dumb as much as your first day in this forum, Maestro.

[Kaspias]

No more than you Q-F15008 Ladogan 100% Balkanite Kaspias.

Liked your answer but I have no time to continue, pardon me this time.

[Nomad]

I can't speak kebab sorry.

https://turkishdnaproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/KAZ_Kipchak.png

[jfgh676]

Turks in this forum have no spine or sense of pride. No matter the numbers of gay parades and muh secularism,you won't be european or white. Best pick is turanid

[Nomad]

Turks in this forum have no spine or sense of pride. No matter the numbers of gay parades and muh secularism,you won't be european or white. Best pick is turanid

You were robbing and plundering Iberians while as we prove our strength with our warriors and fearless horses from Manchuria into Ain Jalut.

[Sora]

No! We may phenotypically overlap sometimes but genetically 0%. The geographically closest Turks to Greeks are the most Central Asian among the all Turks :D I remember a guy from Muğla where Turkic ancestry is the highest, he looked extremely Kazakh but he was considering himself Greek! However, if Greeks would see him, they would call him "Mongol".

I still can't understand this; There are many Turkic-predominant and slant eyed Turks in Western Turkey but they mostly consider themselves Greek. But ironically, the real Greeks, Armenians and even Kurds from Trabzon & Erzurum think they are 100% Turkic and they're the most racist Turks! :confused:

Edit: aaaarrrggghhhh!!! I accidentally voted " no" :eek:

[Chocolate_Hound]

By origin no, because Turks are Central Asian (originally), but through mixing they've become much closer to each other.

And personally, I know some Greeks who grew up inin North America who wouldn't consider themselves white, they have pretty dark skin and hard to pronounce names, and celebrated Christmas on completely different dates. Technically they were "white Europeans" but also pretty damn far from the WASP standard. Nobody would think of them when thinking of white people. So it's kind of subjective and race in general is.

[DontFxxkWithWendy]

By origin no, because Turks are Central Asian (originally), but through mixing they've become much closer to each other.

And personally, I know some Greeks who grew up inin North America who wouldn't consider themselves white, they have pretty dark skin and hard to pronounce names, and celebrated Christmas on completely different dates. Technically they were "white Europeans" but also pretty damn far from the WASP standard. Nobody would think of them when thinking of white people. So it's kind of subjective and race in general is.

I agree. The definition of “white” has changed over the years; in the 1800s, the Irish weren’t considered white in the U.S. Also keep in mind that Greeks and Turks are both very genetically diverse groups; like the Anatolian Greeks cluster closer to some Turks and Armenians than other mainland groups. Greeks and Turks are definitely more similar in culture than people would like to admit.

My man Stav Halkias said it best: ” the ruling class keeps Greeks and Turks divided bc they know together we’d be unstoppable”

[Hektor12]

Of course Greeks are nordic race and Turks are mongolian.

But some Greek are Arab, they might be same.

[Voskos]

Western coastal Turks and some Thracian Turks are all Byzantine Greek-Turkmen hybrids. The inner Anatolians however are just Anatolian-Turkmen or Caucasus-Turkmen mixes in different proportions (if we don't count the Kurdish/Armenian-influenced regions in the southeast).

[placebo]

reality: average turk and average greek answer no to this question. because both population mostly caucasoid med. (greeks fully, turks mostly) in real world most turks, armenians, georgians, azeris etc. etc. (all of them non-european caucasoid) obviously can pass in greece.

but in apricity things are a little different. a stupid levantine mongrel obsessed with turkey, an idiot who shares bedouin photos as average turkish and a fool who claims his phenotype is closer to nordic phenotypes than turkish would say yes to this question.

[catgeorge]

Not close genetically.

Good luck spotting the Greeks and Brits.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/symposium-960x600.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

Not close genetically.

Good luck spotting the Greeks and Brits.

https://www.ekathimerini.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/symposium-960x600.jpg

Left to right: British, Greek, British, Greek, Greek

[catgeorge]

Left to right: British, Greek, British, Greek, Greek


Greek, Greek, British, British, British

[Tooting Carmen]

Greek, Greek, British, British, British

Guy second-to-right is probably a British Jew then.

[catgeorge]

Guy second-to-right is probably a British Jew then.

Whatever the rate Greeks are on the southern spectrum of the European cluster.

Turks are more with the Iranian, Turkmenistan cluster.

[Tooting Carmen]

Whatever the rate Greeks are on the southern spectrum of the European cluster.

Turks are more with the Iranian, Turkmenistan cluster.

Iranians and Turkmen aren't alike either - the former are MENA, the latter Central Asian.

[catgeorge]

Iranians and Turkmen aren't alike either - the former are MENA, the latter Central Asian.

Yes I know - but a mixture of the two.

[TheMaestro]

Yes they are different race. Also GR is heart of Europe and Turkey is western Asian besides the stolen city in NW.
But there are alot of Turks of European origins, aka stolen kids etc.

[Tooting Carmen]

Also GR is heart of Europe

It isn't - that's the point. It is at the very fringes of Europe.

[Dorian]

Don't know about "race " but when you exclude minorities Turkey , there are differences with the Turkmen-admixed who are the majority.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qmjBygmvuA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpWuySWjyzo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI0JVTgF4y4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9V_nm1fYDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVhuO_PUxFM

[TheMaestro]

It isn't - that's the point. It is at the very fringes of Europe.

Wasn't meant geographically you dummy...

[Tooting Carmen]

Wasn't meant geographically you dummy...

In all senses - geography, economy, culture, language and even phenotype.

[Mejgusu]

Which one is better, Geckopopoulos or Geckooğlu?

[Turul Karom]

Which one is better, Geckopopoulos or Geckooğlu?

Gekó Qağan

[Dorian]

In all senses - geography, economy, culture, language and even phenotype.

1)You just used three Greek words(or six) ,can you spot them?Can you even express yourself without them?

2)If by "culture" you mean this --->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo ,be rest assured we don't have any of that..

3)As for geography , how about you deal and get the refugees in your country and not use Greece as a kindergarden?

4)Will your economy survive without their cheap hands?

5)As for phenotypes , it's as much fringe as whole mediterranean europe+ balkans.If you put limits to where your "Europe" is ,better find another name at least cause you know..

[Tooting Carmen]

1)You just used three Greek words(or six) ,can you spot them?Can you even express yourself without them?

But Modern Greek, although part of the Indo-European family, is not part of any of the big three sub-groupings of Germanic, Slavic or Romance.


2)If by "culture" you mean this --->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AS-dCdYZbo ,be rest assured we don't have any of that..

Each country is different, so what's your point?


3)As for geography , how about you deal and get the refugees in your country and not use Greece as a kindergarden?

I agree the Dublin Treaty etc needs radical reform, but ultimately it isn't our fault that by an accident of nature you are one of the main ports of entry into Europe.


4)Will your economy survive without their cheap hands?

Most of our immigration in recent years has been from Eastern Europe, and since Brexit their absence has indeed been felt in agriculture, hospitality, catering and lorry driving especially.


5)As for phenotypes , it's as much fringe as whole mediterranean europe+ balkans.If you put limits to where your "Europe" is ,better find another name at least cause you know..

Yes and no. Even compared to Spain, most of Italy (except maybe the far South) and South Slavic nations, Greece genetically is very West Asian-admixed, and phenotypically one of the most uniformly Mediterranean.

[catgeorge]

West coast of Anatolia is a Greek heartland.

This was the vision under the Kingdom of Greece

https://i.imgur.com/W7zxkDQ.png

[Dorian]

But Modern Greek, although part of the Indo-European family, is not part of any of the big three sub-groupings of Germanic, Slavic or Romance.



Each country is different, so what's your point?



I agree the Dublin Treaty etc needs radical reform, but ultimately it isn't our fault that by an accident of nature you are one of the main ports of entry into Europe.



Most of our immigration in recent years has been from Eastern Europe, and since Brexit their absence has indeed been felt in agriculture, hospitality, catering and lorry driving especially.



Yes and no. Even compared to Spain, most of Italy (except maybe the far South) and South Slavic nations, Greece genetically is very West Asian-admixed, and phenotypically one of the most uniformly Mediterranean.

1) Aren't we talking about influence and importance of languages?There's no ancient vs modern , the "modern" can understand them , uses them in his daily word.Can you understand any of his without those loans? Yes English has more speakers but without the influences it'd wouldn't have the same prestige.
2)I return the question then ,what's the point of mentioning it's in the fringes If there's no unified one?
5)Some of the "West Asian" is ancient and exists in most Europeans , other came probably around Hellenistic/Roman ages and creates a cline with Italy ,who is it that decides what component is "real" European?and what makes it so?

[Tooting Carmen]

1) Aren't we talking about influence and importance of languages?There's no ancient vs modern , the "modern" can understand them , uses them in his daily word.Can you understand any of his without those loans? Yes English has more speakers but without the influences it'd wouldn't have the same prestige.

All language departments make a distinction between Ancient and Modern Greek. And not just English but French, Dutch, German, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Romanian, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese all have substantially more speakers than Greek does.

2)I return the question then ,what's the point of mentioning it's in the fringes If there's no unified one?[/quote]

Well I agree, there is no such thing as a single 'European culture' - that's bullshit.


5)Some of the "West Asian" is ancient and exists in most Europeans , other came probably around Hellenistic/Roman ages and creates a cline with Italy ,who is it that decides what component is "real" European?and what makes it so?

Show me anywhere in the Balkans or indeed anywhere north of Rome which comes close to having the degree of West Asian admixture Greece has (whether ancient or modern).

[Leto]

1) Aren't we talking about influence and importance of languages?There's no ancient vs modern , the "modern" can understand them , uses them in his daily word.Can you understand any of his without those loans? Yes English has more speakers but without the influences it'd wouldn't have the same prestige.
How many English loanwords are there in modern Greek? Many languages are severely polluted by English and I love English but other languages shouldn't be bastardized by it because of boundless globalization.

[Dorian]

All language departments make a distinction between Ancient and Modern Greek. And not just English but French, Dutch, German, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Romanian, Italian, Spanish and Portuguese all have substantially more speakers than Greek does.

Show me anywhere in the Balkans or indeed anywhere north of Rome which comes close to having the degree of West Asian admixture Greece has (whether ancient or modern).




I'm just saying it's irrelevant to seperate them in this case because these words(among many others) are used by moderns as they're ,they don't need to know "ancient".

So you're just excluding those who have a surplass of the component? why not consider it non-European completely for all Europeans?maybe remove farmer too. On the other hand ,one can also say where hunter gatherers peak they're also fringe Europeans.

[Dorian]

How many English loanwords are there in modern Greek? Many languages are severely polluted by English and I love English but other languages shouldn't be bastardized by it because of boundless globalization.

Not many I can think of other than using some short words like "okay" or words that were "loaned back" with Greek roots or names of material goods/products? In music subcultures ,they use more of them.

[TheMaestro]

In all senses - geography, economy, culture, language and even phenotype.

Greece is reason why you have democracy, birth of western Civilization, maths, astronomy, theatre, Olympic Games etc, but nice try Colombiano.

[lockdownboredom]

Do you consider Balkan Turks and Anatolian Turks as different races?

https://i.nextmedia.com.au/galleries/UfukTalayAvispaFukFC2008.jpg

https://ccsc.nsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/servet-uzunlar.jpeg

https://i.ibb.co/rbwZkzt/RAMA-816x459.jpg

http://africancupnsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kerem-Bulut.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/190411_-_Nazim_Erdem_-_3b_-_2012_Team_processing.jpg

[placebo]

Do you consider Balkan Turks and Anatolian Turks as different races?

https://i.nextmedia.com.au/galleries/UfukTalayAvispaFukFC2008.jpg

https://ccsc.nsw.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/servet-uzunlar.jpeg

https://i.ibb.co/rbwZkzt/RAMA-816x459.jpg

http://africancupnsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kerem-Bulut.png

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/190411_-_Nazim_Erdem_-_3b_-_2012_Team_processing.jpg

I don't know if they are all Turkish but of course they're not average Balkan Turk and average Anatolian Turk. One side too Northern looking than average Balkan Turk other side too Middle Eastern looking than Anatolian Turk. Only the guy named Ramazan doesn't look very unusual for me. (not typical either)

[Leto]

I don't know if they are all Turkish but of course they're not average Balkan Turk and average Anatolian Turk. One side too Northern looking than average Balkan Turk other side too Middle Eastern looking than Anatolian Turk. Only the guy named Ramazan doesn't look very unusual for me. (not typical either)
Is the last guy super swarthy and woggy even for Turkey? He is indeed very much like I've described him!

[placebo]

Is the last guy super swarthy and woggy even for Turkey? He is indeed very much like I've described him!

Turkey is a really very diverse that's why I believe if he says I'm Turkish. I wouldn't say super swarthy for Turkey but of course darker than most people here. His facial features much more atypical than his skin pigmentation.

https://static.ffx.io/images/$width_160%2C$height_240/t_crop_fill/q_86%2Cf_auto/16675f53fe8d80b7f0b7039c84092e80e47f53d1
https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/e292a13014a60a477c2c7cb39682dbd5

i changed my opinion he's super swarthy. he looks indian wwe wrestler great khali.

[Leto]

Turkey is a really very diverse that's why I believe if he says I'm Turkish. I wouldn't say super swarthy for Turkey but of course darker than most people here. His facial features much more atypical than his skin pigmentation.

[IMG]https://static.ffx.io/images/$width_160%2C$height_240/t_crop_fill/q_86%2Cf_auto/16675f53fe8d80b7f0b7039c84092e80e47f53d1
[IMG]https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/e292a13014a60a477c2c7cb39682dbd5

i changed my opinion he's super swarthy. he looks indian wwe wrestler great khali.
Haha lol. Yes, he would fit much better in Kurdistan IMO. Maybe he is a Kurd.

[Mejgusu]

Haha lol. Yes, he would fit much better in Kurdistan IMO. Maybe he is a Kurd.

The second guy doesn’t even look like an atypical Turk, definitely not Turkish, the last one isn’t very typical, but I would believe if he is from Central Anatolia. Central, Eastern and South Anatolian Turks can be very dark.

If this forum wouldn’t be full of trolls I would show a lot of beautiful ppl from my hometown to you.

[placebo]

The second guy doesn’t even look like an atypical Turk, definitely not Turkish, the last one isn’t very typical, but I would believe if he is from Central Anatolia. Central, Eastern and South Anatolian Turks can be very dark.

http://africancupnsw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Kerem-Bulut.png

do you mean this guy, right?

https://i.ibb.co/rbwZkzt/RAMA-816x459.jpg

i wouldn't say this guy super atypical. he looks like somewhat şevket çoruh.

[Leto]

I seriously doubt Byzantines looked like those individuals above. Dark and Middle Eastern looking as a mofo. Altaians don't resemble them in the slightest either.
Don't know why they were cherry-picked to begin with.

[lockdownboredom]

The fella is an archetype of Anatolid. Leto is carrying on like Anatolians are a European subpopulation. Genetically Anatolians overlap with Armenians. Did you expect them to look like Atlantids as portrayed here? Harry Potter hasn't cast a spell on these fellas to look Middle Eastern. Greeks have more Slav ancestry than Turks have Turk ancestry. Do Greeks look like Slavs?

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/228fe3a707f0b2975d25e6f5504fecd5

Kerem Bulut

[princeton90]

The fella is an archetype of Anatolid. Leto is carrying on like Anatolians are a European subpopulation. Genetically Anatolians overlap with Armenians. Did you expect them to look like Atlantids as portrayed here? Harry Potter hasn't cast a spell on these fellas to look Middle Eastern. Greeks have more Slav ancestry than Turks have Turk ancestry. Do Greeks look like Slavs?

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/228fe3a707f0b2975d25e6f5504fecd5

Kerem Bulut

He is Iranid. Not Anatolid.

[lockdownboredom]

He is Iranid. Not Anatolid.

In which planet are you living where Iranid is brachy

[RogueState]

From my experience, there is roughly a 20% overlap between the two people , but in general, it's easy to spot a Turkish and Greek group of people (and I'm discounting obvious hints like headscarves)

[princeton90]

In which planet are you living where Iranid is brachy

he is dolicho :lol: not brachy

[lockdownboredom]

:lol: he is dolicho not brachy

this is what happens when the Taliban sells opium too cheap

[Leto]

The fella is an archetype of Anatolid. Leto is carrying on like Anatolians are a European subpopulation. Genetically Anatolians overlap with Armenians. Did you expect them to look like Atlantids as portrayed here? Harry Potter hasn't cast a spell on these fellas to look Middle Eastern. Greeks have more Slav ancestry than Turks have Turk ancestry. Do Greeks look like Slavs?

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/228fe3a707f0b2975d25e6f5504fecd5

Kerem Bulut
Well, the Turkics brought Iranian ancestry over to Anatolia. Azerbaijan is swarthy as hell, I know that group of people well enough.

Kerem Bulut actually looks a lot more typically Turkish in other photos than in the initial one. But I still think his roots must be east of Ankara.
https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.2857803362573099%2C$multiply_0.7554%2C$rat io_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_174%2C$y_74/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/6686ebd4a9dae74f8c2f591fcc988c2660ecd4f2

[lockdownboredom]

Actually princeton, he looks doli in this pic. I accept defeat, my apologies.

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/45078099e5078425d0532e879b477486

[Dorian]

The fella is an archetype of Anatolid. Leto is carrying on like Anatolians are a European subpopulation. Genetically Anatolians overlap with Armenians. Did you expect them to look like Atlantids as portrayed here? Harry Potter hasn't cast a spell on these fellas to look Middle Eastern. Greeks have more Slav ancestry than Turks have Turk ancestry. Do Greeks look like Slavs?

https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/228fe3a707f0b2975d25e6f5504fecd5

Kerem Bulut


Unlikely that Greeks have more Slav than Turks Turk(Turkmen) but either way it's wrong comparison because If you have population mixes you'd have to take into account which traits each founder gave to the mix are dominant/recessive..then supposedly you should get 50% of dominant traits/25% intermediates /25% recessive though it'll be more complex than that but you get the gist..

[Leto]

The Turks of Turkey should be 20-25% medieval Oghuz on average. Some are less than that of course but some are even more.

[Hektor12]

The Turks of Turkey should be 20-25% medieval Oghuz on average. Some are less than that of course but some are even more.

If you exclude Balkan Wars migrants its well over %50.

[Mejgusu]

If you exclude Balkan Wars migrants its well over %50.


1. Not true, 2. so what? Don’t talk divisively, a Turk with 0% Central Asian influence is 1000x more Turkish than you. It isn’t enough you are an owd..., well I shouldn’t say something which could be a reason for a ban. I just wish I could meet you in real life, really, my fist already becomes nervous thinking about that.

[Roy]

they re both Caucasoid xD

anyway i see turks as predominantly white

There are some (and more than people assume) who are clearly part-Mongoloid or brown type of caucasoid though. I think sometimes based on Turkish soap operas.

[Leto]

1. Not true, 2. so what? Don’t talk divisively, a Turk with 0% Central Asian influence is 1000x more Turkish than you.
My Central Asian Steppe-centric is surprisingly good for mainstream parts of Turkey

Target: Turkish_Northwest
Distance: 1.5389% / 0.01538927
44.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
26.0 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
13.2 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
10.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
6.2 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA

Target: Turkish_North
Distance: 1.7202% / 0.01720215
53.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
19.2 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
15.6 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
11.2 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
0.4 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkish_Balikesir
Distance: 1.3798% / 0.01379776
46.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
26.4 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
11.8 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
9.6 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
5.2 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
1.0 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkish_Southwest
Distance: 1.3806% / 0.01380591
43.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
22.2 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
12.2 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
12.0 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
8.2 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
1.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
0.6 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkish_Aydin
Distance: 1.6000% / 0.01600007
44.8 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
22.2 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
12.2 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
10.6 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
9.6 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
0.6 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkish_South
Distance: 1.2045% / 0.01204480
40.0 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
19.8 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
18.6 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
12.0 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
8.4 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
1.2 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkish_Adana
Distance: 1.1839% / 0.01183892
38.4 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
19.0 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
18.4 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
17.4 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
5.6 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
1.2 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkish_Kayseri
Distance: 1.4324% / 0.01432356
47.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
18.0 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
16.2 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
12.4 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
6.2 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave

Target: Turkish_Central
Distance: 1.4585% / 0.01458455
46.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
17.6 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
16.8 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
10.4 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
8.4 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
0.2 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkish_East
Distance: 1.6373% / 0.01637259
47.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
28.0 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
14.2 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
7.0 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
2.0 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
1.2 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN


And here are Turkmen averages for comparison

Target: Turkmen
Distance: 1.3893% / 0.01389279
27.0 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
26.6 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
21.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
15.6 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
4.8 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
3.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
1.0 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN

Target: Turkmen_Uzbekistan
Distance: 1.3849% / 0.01384933
26.4 MNG_Ulaanzuukh_Slab_Grave
26.0 KAZ_Aktogai_MLBA
18.2 IRN_Tepe_Hissar_C
10.2 TUR_Kaman-Kalehoyuk_MLBA
10.0 Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
6.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2
2.8 RUS_Yakutia_Ymyiakhtakh_LN