Do you consider Turks and Greeks a different race?

[Myanthropologies]

It's well established that people think of Greeks as white and European, but the same cannot be said for Turks, who are seen as Middle Eastern. Does that mean that most of you consider Greeks a different race from the Turks?

[wvwvw]

Greek is not a race, neither is Turkish

[Ghazi]

no

[Myanthropologies]

Greek is not a race, neither is Turkish

Never said that either were a race. It's just that the former is considered white and european, while the latter is generally considered middle eastern.

[Kamal900]

From a genetic point of view, yes, they are very different. Turks have high central, western and south Asiatic admixture in their genepool along with significant Southern and Eastern European admixture coming from the slave trade of many White women from these places during the Ottoman empire. Greeks only have some substantial west Asiatic admixture coming from pre-Turkic Anatolia and the Caucasus, and they cluster the closest to Tuscans and other southern Europeans than to west Asiatics like Turks, Kurds, Persians and so on.

[crazyladybutterfly]

they re both Caucasoid xD

anyway i see turks as predominantly white

[Leto]

Greeks have much more European blood (defined as WHG or something like that) and they are culturally and geographically European. Turkey is linguistically Turkic, religion-wise Muslim and geographically predominantly West Asian/Middle Eastern (97% of the total territory). However, they are more European than other Middle Eastern people due to both proximity to Europe and the assimilation of a certain amount of Europeans (Balkan Slavs, Greeks, Albanians, etc.).

[Myanthropologies]

Greeks have much more European blood (defined as WHG or something like that) and they are culturally and geographically European. Turkey is linguistically Turkic, religion-wise Muslim and geographically predominantly West Asian/Middle Eastern (97% of the total territory). However, they are more European than other Middle Eastern people due to both proximity to Europe and the assimilation of a certain amount of Europeans (Balkan Slavs, Greeks, Albanians, etc.).

You didn't answer the question though lol

[wvwvw]

Never said that either were a race. It's just that the former is considered white and european, while the latter is generally considered middle eastern.

If by European you mean Steppe IE ancestry then Greeks are only partially it, since antiquity in fact.

White means mainly someone coming from the European continent, from a European country having a European culture (yes there's such a thing), and since all the countries in europe happen to be white (some lighter, some darker, but white nevertheless) white is being associated with Europeans and not with Muslims, Turks or the middle east.

[Tooting Carmen]

This is a tricky one. Many Greeks and Turks can pass as the other, but the majority wouldn't. (But then, there are plenty of European pairings where the majority wouldn't really pass as the other, and likewise plenty of Middle Eastern pairings where that occurs). Greeks are European, albeit with more Mediterranean and West Asian admixture than most, while Turks are a Central Asian-Persian-Anatolian-Balkan-Mediterranean hybrid. In conclusion, they are pretty different, even though they can overlap.

[Myanthropologies]

they re both Caucasoid xD

anyway i see turks as predominantly white

They cluster with other West Asiatics though, and look it

[Leto]

You didn't answer the question though lol
Nah, I don't wanna vote.

[Myanthropologies]

This is a tricky one. Many Greeks and Turks can pass as the other, but the majority wouldn't. (But then, there are plenty of European pairings where the majority wouldn't really pass as the other, and likewise plenty of Middle Eastern pairings where that occurs). Greeks are European, albeit with more Mediterranean and West Asian admixture than most, while Turks are a Central Asian-Persian-Anatolian-Balkan-Mediterranean hybrid. In conclusion, they are pretty different, even though they can overlap.

Thanks for the answer. You've been to Turkey before too, if I remember correctly, right?

[Ujku]

hehe , guess my answer..

[Tooting Carmen]

Thanks for the answer. You've been to Turkey before too, if I remember correctly, right?

Istanbul, yes.

[Tooting Carmen]

With this being said, I'd still say that, at least once the Central Asian and darker Persian types are taken out of the equation, Greeks are still undoubtedly closer to Turks in looks than to most Europeans from Austria northwards.

[Pennywise]

From a genetic point of view, yes, they are very different. Turks have high central, western and south Asiatic admixture in their genepool along with significant Southern and Eastern European admixture coming from the slave trade of many White women from these places during the Ottoman empire. Greeks only have some substantial west Asiatic admixture coming from pre-Turkic Anatolia and the Caucasus, and they cluster the closest to Tuscans and other southern Europeans than to west Asiatics like Turks, Kurds, Persians and so on.

Slave trade during the Ottoman Empire had no significant genetic impact on modern Turks. Average citizen had no slaves, most of the of muslim folk of Anatolia (Turks in this case) had even single wives eventough multiple wives are allowed in Islam.
Predominant source of NE admix amongst the Anatolian Turks comes from Turkic newcomers, as we see that it has increased by the Turkic invasion. Anatolian Greeks score less than Turks, Armenians score almost %0 percent.


Greeks have much more European blood (defined as WHG or something like that) and they are culturally and geographically European. Turkey is linguistically Turkic, religion-wise Muslim and geographically predominantly West Asian/Middle Eastern (97% of the total territory). However, they are more European than other Middle Eastern people due to both proximity to Europe and the assimilation of a certain amount of Europeans (Balkan Slavs, Greeks, Albanians, etc.).

WHG is not the only component that makes people "European". The reason why Greeks score more WHG than Turks is the mediveal Slavic invasion. It changed the whole demographics of the region. Ancient Greeks were probably genetically more closer to Levantines and Pre-Turkic Anatolians than to other Europeans. Islander Greeks genetically significantly differ than them.

Regardless of the genetic mambo-jambo in this thread, Turks are not Europeans for mostly historical and cultural reasons. But we don't identify ourselves as "Middle Easterners" either. Turks have always been an Eurasian people.

[Myanthropologies]

Slave trade during the Ottoman Empire had no significant genetic impact on modern Turks. Average citizen had no slaves, most of the of muslim folk of Anatolia (Turks in this case) had even single wives eventough multiple wives are allowed in Islam.
Predominant source of NE admix amongst the Anatolian Turks comes from Turkic newcomers, as we see that it has increased by the Turkic invasion. Anatolian Greeks score less than Turks, Armenians score almost %0 percent.



WHG is not the only component that makes people "European". The reason why Greeks score more WHG than Turks is the mediveal Slavic invasion. It changed the whole demographics of the region. Ancient Greeks probably genetically more close to Levantines and Pre-Turkic Anatolians than to other Europeans. Islander Greeks genetically significantly differ than them.

Regardless of the genetic mambo-jambo in this thread, Turks are not Europeans for mostly historical and cultural reasons. But we don't identify ourselves as "Middle Easterners" either. Turks have always been an Eurasian people.

Thanks for your intelligent and well rounded answer.

[wvwvw]

You didn't answer the question though lol

Yes we are a different race, in that we have a different psychosynthesis and a different Karma.

Turks are descended from a multitude of peoples and races, while Greeks always have been Greeks since antiquity.

[Bogdan]

Different ethnicities with some overlap.

[wvwvw]

I consider Turks the filthiest race on earth, the dredges of humanity.

I can imagine welcoming any race into my family black, asian or latino, except for Turk, Afgan or Indian.

[Tauromachos]

@OP

I thought you considered Mainland Greeks more like Slavs


Anyway

Yes,they are different

For cultural,social historical and also genetic or anthropological reasons Greeks are considered European people even though if some
of the historical homeland regions where Greeks traditionaly lived are within the fringe to West Asia.

Turks as they are also geographically are not Europeans but at the crossroads between South East Europe,Eastern Europe,Iranian plateau and Middle East

[Rgvgjhvv]

I consider Turks the filthiest race on earth, the dredges of humanity.

I can imagine welcoming any race into my family black, asian or latino, except for Turk, Afgan or Indian.

I'd rather introduce a Turk than your fucking ass. You're a mongrel twat. Scum of the earth, piece of shite. Go shove your first up your dirty asshole.

[Tauromachos]

I consider Turks the filthiest race on earth, the dredges of humanity.


Turks is not a race as you said yourself already

[Latinus]

Many Greeks pass as Turks and vice versa.

[Tauromachos]

Many Greeks pass as Turks and vice versa.

Yes they do

Not only Balkans and Italy are neighbours of Greece but also Anatolia

And not everything bad in Greece came out of Anatolia

But with Turks i only see a real reconcilement if Turks change their attitudes and stop their expansionist,chauvinist
and imperialist ambitions and become more settled down to earth

Also willing to confess their mistakes they did in the past such as the issue considering the Armenian question,
same as other countries for example Germany did

[wvwvw]

Many Greeks pass as Turks and vice versa.

What about you, how well do you pass in Turkey, Maghreb or Lebanon? How many of your compatriots pass there? By the way, could Mattias Boccelis (the famous singer’s son) pass in any of tve regions I mentioned?

[wvwvw]

Many Greeks pass as Turks and vice versa.


And Is that you could come up with to write in a thread like this Mr ”Latinus” ? :rolleyes:

[Dick]

I'd rather introduce a Turk than your fucking ass. You're a mongrel twat. Scum of the earth, piece of shite. Go shove your first up your dirty asshole.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c5dd72c7443a2d62ceb22c4e4c672f4c/tenor.gif?itemid=9536199

[Latinus]

What about you, how well do you pass in Turkey, Maghreb or Lebanon? How many of your compatriots pass there? By the way, could Mattias Boccelis (the famous singer son) pass in any of tve regions I mentioned?

Someone got mad.

[Latinus]

Many Italians also pass as Turks and vice versa.
Same for Iberians.

Don't blame me. If you don't like, you know what do.

[Latinus]

Double post.

[wvwvw]

I'd rather introduce a Turk than your fucking ass. You're a mongrel twat. Scum of the earth, piece of shite. Go shove your first up your dirty asshole.

You’d wish to introduce Turkish dick to all Greeks, but that’s gonna stay your wet dream you pathetic rape offspring of a whore.

Your mother has already introduced turkish dick to her cunt (using your favorite word again, could it be bcs youre so starved of real cunt!?) and you are the result..a turkish cunt dreaming to get laid at some point of his life.

[Rgvgjhvv]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/c5dd72c7443a2d62ceb22c4e4c672f4c/tenor.gif?itemid=9536199

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/11/111e2206b16712139fbf41a4dad539f9f89875f6fb6065705a d3cdb0d688aa13.jpg

[Latinus]

Insulted the mom. Now the shit is getting more and more serious.

[Dick]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/11/111e2206b16712139fbf41a4dad539f9f89875f6fb6065705a d3cdb0d688aa13.jpg

http://menace-theoriste.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SJW-08.jpg

[Ruggery]

Not so much, there is not a big difference between the Greeks and the Turks (at least the Westerners)

[Rgvgjhvv]

You’d wish to introduce Turkish fick to all Greeks, but that’s gonna stay your wet dream.

Your mother has already introduced turkish dick to her cunt (using your favorite wird again, could it be bcs youre so starved of real cunt!?) and you are the result..a turkish cunt dreaming to get laid at some point of his life.

Bringing the moms into this now? Okay.

Go lick your mom's ass you fucking tool. You fucking cum-guzzling dump truck. How many dick has your mom taken up the ass? Nobody even knows who the fuck you are, you hide behind a screen and probably sit on your ass all day, you pathetic piece of shit. I'll shit on your face, you stupid bitch. Fucking joke of a Greek. I'm disgusted you exist. Cow cunt.

[Rgvgjhvv]

http://menace-theoriste.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SJW-08.jpg

Damn you're a miserable cunt aren't you? Holy moly

[wvwvw]

Many Italians also pass as Turks and vice versa.
Same for Iberians.

Don't blame me. If you don't like, you know what do.

That was not the original question. Nor do a few people passing in each other countries entail being ’of the same race’. (By race the op implies of the same origin, ethnicity’ not the broader term of race”

[Dick]

Damn you're a miserable cunt aren't you? Holy moly

The irony :rotfl:


Go lick your mom's ass you fucking tool. You fucking cum-guzzling dump truck. How many dick has your mom taken up the ass? Nobody even knows who the fuck you are, you hide behind a screen and probably sit on your ass all day, you pathetic piece of shit. I'll shit on your face, you stupid bitch. Fucking joke of a Greek. I'm disgusted you exist. Cow cunt.

[Latinus]

That was not the original question. Nor do a few people passing in each other countries entail being ’of the same race’. (By race the op implies of the same origin, ethnicity’ not the broader term of race”

No, they aren't, but the overlap exist.

[Rgvgjhvv]

The irony :rotfl:

The shit she says to me, she deserves every word of that. I don't know what the hell I did to you either, why don't you jerk off to her comments then.

Fucking yankee doodle over here, policing the situation. How lovely

[Tauromachos]

Brief and shortly

Turks are Eurasians rather than Europeans

Greeks are Europeans but with historical and cultural affiliations to many regions of todays Turkey
going back to almost pre historic times

[wvwvw]

Bringing the moms into this now? Okay.

Go lick your mom's ass you fucking tool. You fucking cum-guzzling dump truck. How many dick has your mom taken up the ass? Nobody even knows who the fuck you are, you hide behind a screen and probably sit on your ass all day, you pathetic piece of shit. I'll shit on your face, you stupid bitch. Fucking joke of a Greek. I'm disgusted you exist. Cow cunt.

You will never get laid you pathetic turkoid stuck up midget. Stick to the turkish community like your mom. You are turkoid in every way. And stop watching too much porn, big dicks have made you full of complexes misogynic piece of shit. Everytime I read your posts, it is like a pile of shit talking and I want to flush you down the toilet where you belong and your proper place is.

[Rgvgjhvv]

You will never get laid you pathetic turkoid stuck up midget. Stick to the turkish community like your mom. You are turkoid in every way. And stop watching too much porn, big dicks have made you full of complexes misogynic piece of shit. Everytime I read your posts, it is like a pile of shit talking and I want to flush you down the toilet where you belong and your proper place is.

Lol you bore me. Nice try though. Why don't you give Dick a rim job and live happily ever after in redneck heaven? Maybe a swamp? I dunno you guys can decide. You're perfect for each other.

Good riddance.

PS. For the love of God never make babies.

[wvwvw]

The shit she says to me, she deserves every word of that. I don't know what the hell I did to you either, why don't you jerk off to her comments then.

Fucking yankee doodle over here, policing the situation. How lovely

I have said nothing to you except today where you opened your gutter mouth again to repeatedly insult me in unrelated threads, about a couple of fully deserved thumb downs.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I have said nothing to you except today where you opened your gutter mouth again to repeatedly insult me in unrelated threads, about a couple of fully deserved thumb downs.

'a couple'

Bitch you're to blame for 85% of my thumbs down. Keep doing it though, it turns me on.

[wvwvw]

Lol you bore me. Nice try though. Why don't you give Dick a rim job and live happily ever after in redneck heaven? Maybe a swamp? I dunno you guys can decide. You're perfect for each other.

Good riddance.

PS. For the love of God never make babies.

It is turkoid culturomarxist fags like you that need to stop procreating.

[Rgvgjhvv]

It is turkoid culturomarxist fags like you that need to stop procreating.

Lol imagine just completely avoiding reality. What a strange life you live. You're like an ameoba.

[wvwvw]

'a couple'

Bitch you're to blame for 85% of my thumbs down. Keep doing it though, it turns me on.

Here we go again you disembling whining weasel. You have returned every single thumb down I have given you, in unrelated threads. I don’t even read 80% of your posts. I thumb down occassionally some wildly inaccurate comments of yours, which trigger you into a revenge thumb down frenzy. Your weasel tactics even from your time asScholarios are well known to everyone.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Here we go again you disembling whining weasel. You have returned every single thumb down I have given you, in unrelated threads. I don’t even read 80% of your posts. I thumb down occassionally some wildly inaccurate comments of yours, which trigger you into a revenge thumb down frenzy. Your weasel tactics even from your time asScholarios are well known to everyone.

Wrong.

Okay so I am a Turk pretending to be Greek, sounds like you're accusing me of being an ex-user of TA? What else am I missing so I can accurately know who I'm supposed to be on here? I wouldn't want to confuse anyone.

[nightrider+]

Here we go again you disembling whining weasel. You have returned every single thumb down I have given you, in unrelated threads. I don’t even read 80% of your posts. I thumb down occassionally some wildly inaccurate comments of yours, which trigger you into a revenge thumb down frenzy. Your weasel tactics even from your time asScholarios are well known to everyone.

No way he's scholarios.

[Gangrel]

Lol you bore me. Nice try though. Why don't you give Dick a rim job and live happily ever after in redneck heaven? Maybe a swamp? I dunno you guys can decide. You're perfect for each other.

Good riddance.

PS. For the love of God never make babies.

I approve of these very aggressive but true comments. Good job mate

[wvwvw]

No way he's scholarios.

I’d bet my life that he is. He talks and writes exactly like him, especially his insults are exactly the same. Privately Scholarios he wrote me things like that although publicly tried to put up a different facade.

Anyway I don’t care who he is. I thumb down the content of his posts not because I think he is Scholarios.

Contrast this thug with catgeorge. I have thumbed down cargeorge even insulted him but he always replies with humor. What a pleasant individual although I disagree with much of his views.

This misogynic pile of thrash started insulting me in the worst possibly manner merely for a thumb down,he harass me in unrelatez tvreads, and is interfering in my discussions with others by insulting my replies to others. I had to replyvto repeated insults. This whining bitch seems so much concerned about his ”reputation” (also a Scholarios trait) it’s hilarious.

[Morena]

They are of the same race, Caucasoid Med, but of different subrace within the Mediterranean sphere. That's why I answered 'yes,' not because I believe they are the same people.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I’d bet my life that he is. He talks and writes exactly like him, especially his insults are exactly the same. Privately Scholarios he wrote me things like that although publicly tried to put up a different facade.

Anyway I don’t care who he is. I thumb down the content of his posts not because I think he is Scholarios.

Contrast this thug with catgeorge. I have thumbed down cargeorge even insulted him but he always replies with humor. What a pleasant individual although I disagree with much of his views.

This misogynic pile of thrash started insulting me in the worst possibly manner merely for a thumb down,he harass me in unrelatez tvreads, and is interfering in my discussions with others by insulting my replies to others. I had to replyvto repeated insults. This whining bitch seems so much concerned about his ”reputation” (also a Scholarios trait) it’s hilarious.

Uh oh, be prepared for a visit from the grim reaper then :lol: Damn girl, I highly reccomend you take back that bet. I hate your guts but that's taking it too far, haha. Yikes

[Rgvgjhvv]

Nice completely inaccurate pity story by the way :lol: F me. No one's buying that load of bollocks. Use that creativity for more promising ventures

[wvwvw]

Nice completely inaccurate pity story by the way :lol: F me. No one's buying that load of bollocks. Use that creativity for more promising ventures

Haha...”nobody believes you” typical Scholarios response.

Fact is you are a disembling weasel. You say you got 80% of your thumb downs from me, and you got like 46 thumb downs but you have given me at least 20 only today (and yesterday).

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qssd42.jpg

Fact is for every thumb down I give you (well deserved in my opinion) I get multiple ”revenge” thumb downs and tons of insults.

I have never insulted you especially in the manner you have, I have only called you a troll in Sikeliot’s thread a couple of times. All I do is to occassionally thumb you down but without any insults. You reply by calling me cunt and make all kind of retarded comments, zoophilia and what not, that typically a sick and sexually depraved misogynic fag would make.

[jackrussell]

Do Greek and Turk fart differently ?

:D

All people who live on land of Eurasia are by default Eurasians .

Those who want to live on a fictitious construct can be rainbow farting unicorns , who gives a fuck ?

Let deluded idiots be deluded says the maxim of law , right ?

:D

[Rgvgjhvv]

Haha...”nobody believes you” typical Scholarios response.

Fact is you are a disembling weasel. You say you got 80% of your thumb downs from me, and you got like 46 thumb downs but you have given me at least 20 only today (and yesterday).

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qssd42.jpg

Fact is for every thumb down I give you (well deserved in my opinion) I get multiple ”revenge” thumb downs and tons of insults.

I have never insulted you especially in the manner you have, I have only called you a troll in Sikeliot’s thread a couple of times. All I do is to occassionally thumb you down but without any insults. You reply by calling me cunt and make all kind of retarded comments, zoophilia and what not, that typically a sick and sexually depraved misogynic fag would make.

Oh baby we can both play this game. I'm on my phone so I can post the same thing when I get on a computer tomorrow. You damn straight I thumb you back down. An eye for an eye, what do you think this is? Chicken sandwich?!

'well deserved' is the biggest pile of shit you've said yet. You filthy liar. You thumb me down on the most irrelevant things. 99% of it is completely uncalled for.

We sound like a bunch of little bitches arguing over this, by the way.

[Smeagol]

All Greeks and most Turks are Caucasoid.

[wvwvw]

Uh oh, be prepared for a visit from the grim reaper then :lol: Damn girl, I highly reccomend you take back that bet. I hate your guts but that's taking it too far, haha. Yikes

I don’t care if you are him or if it’s just a coincidence that you both live in Korea, are both ”far leftists”, both write exactly the same, insult similarly, react the same, and both trollGreeks in the same manner. You are the same pile of shit.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I don’t care if you are him or if it’s just a coincidence that you both live in Korea, are both ”far leftists”, both write exactly the same, insult similarly, react the same, and both trollGreeks in the same manner. You are the same pile of shit.

Does he really? Because that's actually incredible. Where did he go?

Why the hell would I troll Greeks? I've posted my results, among many other things, here many many times. I have nothing to hide. I'm the most Greek-looking bastard on this whole forum. My results are 100% Greek and if you can't accept that, then go fuck yourself and continue living in a fantasy land.

[karakartal]

We are same. If you read all topic, you understand what i'm say.

[nightrider+]

I'm the most Greek-looking bastard on this whole forum.

Nope, that's me.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Nope, that's me.

You think? Let's make a poll (jk lol)

[Tauromachos]

Nope, that's me.

There is finally a chance that you and Hellenas might look more similar than you wish

Don't expect you would see an Armenoid or an Anadolid if you met him in real life

[dosas]

Markos has posted pictures and DNA results numerous times unlike the nazi troll.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Markos has posted pictures and DNA results numerous times unlike the nazi troll.

Fact. It's easy to be faceless when you have something to hide.

[nightrider+]

There is finally a chance that you and Hellenas might look more similar than you wish

Don't expect you would see an Armenoid or an Anadolid if you met him in real life

Dunno, if he ever stops chickening out and posts his face, I'll tell you. Won't make him any less stupid though.

[Tauromachos]

Dunno, if he ever stops chickening out and posts his face, I'll tell you.

Ok

[Dick]

Haha...”nobody believes you” typical Scholarios response.

Fact is you are a disembling weasel. You say you got 80% of your thumb downs from me, and you got like 46 thumb downs but you have given me at least 20 only today (and yesterday).

http://i65.tinypic.com/2qssd42.jpg

Fact is for every thumb down I give you (well deserved in my opinion) I get multiple ”revenge” thumb downs and tons of insults.

I have never insulted you especially in the manner you have, I have only called you a troll in Sikeliot’s thread a couple of times. All I do is to occassionally thumb you down but without any insults. You reply by calling me cunt and make all kind of retarded comments, zoophilia and what not, that typically a sick and sexually depraved misogynic fag would make.

Damn, and he called me a miserable cunt for just joking around. I've never given thumbs down to anyone. What a snowflake.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Damn, and he called me a miserable cunt for just joking around. I've never given thumbs down to anyone. What a snowflake.

Uh oh her boyfriend with the small penis is back.

Too harsh or good joke?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Please send reputation comments to rate all jokes and insults. I will write an e-book one day, teaching foreigners how to play the game. Thanks

[Tauromachos]

Uh oh her boyfriend with the small penis is back.

Too harsh or good joke?

I think he might be more with Profilo

But don't want to spread rumors

Just an idea

[Dick]

Uh oh her boyfriend with the small penis is back.

Too harsh or good joke?

Wow, can't even take a joke. stop drinking soy milk, Mr. Lactose intolerant.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I think he might be more with Profilo

But don't want to spread rumors

Just an idea

cybersherlock

[Tauromachos]

cybersherlock

Drrrrrrrr!

[Rgvgjhvv]

Wow, can't even take a joke. stop drinking soy milk, Mr. Lactose intolerant.

Damn that one didn't go over well then eh. Okay we're still learning.

Luckily we have lactose free milk. Also the lactose pills are a life saver so I can still enjoy the odd ice cream dessert.

[Nazarene]

Wtf is happening lmao. Ofc Turks and Greeks are different.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Wtf is happening lmao. Ofc Turks and Greeks are different.

Anything Greek related gets out of hand.

Guilty as charged, sorry friends

[wvwvw]

Oh baby we can both play this game. I'm on my phone so I can post the same thing when I get on a computer tomorrow. You damn straight I thumb you back down. An eye for an eye, what do you think this is? Chicken sandwich?!

'well deserved' is the biggest pile of shit you've said yet. You filthy liar. You thumb me down on the most irrelevant things. 99% of it is completely uncalled for.

We sound like a bunch of little bitches arguing over this, by the way.

Don’t flatter yourself too much. I rarely pay attention (or thumb down) most of the things you write. And when I do I always thumb down the content of the post not because of who the poster is. I wouldn’t even bother thumb down your comments about Gr Canadian today if you hadn’t randomly thumbed down unrelated threads.

Still the thumb downs today were not ’revenge thumb downs’- I strongly disagreed with the content of your posts. But I would normally have ignored them like I do most of the time, because frankly you are not worth to read in the first place.

[Dick]

Damn that one didn't go over well then eh. Okay we're still learning.

Luckily we have lactose free milk. Also the lactose pills are a life saver so I can still enjoy the odd ice cream dessert.

You're too sensitive like a female.

[Morticia]

This thread is WILD.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Don’t flatter yourself too much. I rarely pay attention (or thumb down) most of the things you write. And when I do I always thumb down the content of the post not because of who the poster is. I wouldn’t even bother thumb down your comments about Gr Canadian today if you randomly hadn’t given me thumb downs in totally unrelated threads.

Still the thumb downs today were not ’revenge thumb downs’- I strongly disagreed with the content of your posts. But I would normally have ignored them like I do most of the time, because frankly you are not worth to read in the first place.

Ok agapi mou. Filakia. Den eisai too bad. Eisai okay. We'll get over this and move on. xoxo eimai Ellines for God's sake.

[nightrider+]

You're too sensitive like a female.

But is he gluten sensitive?

[Rgvgjhvv]

You're too sensitive like a female.

Probably closer to the accurate side than not. I'll give you that one Chip

[Rgvgjhvv]

But is he gluten sensitive?

I actually am. Damn it!

[Dick]

But is he gluten sensitive?

All faggots are.

[Rgvgjhvv]

All faggots are.

My wife's a dude and I like cock

[Tauromachos]

Ok agapi mou. Falakia.

Ok agapi mou Falafia :lol:


https://toriavey.com/images/2011/01/Falafel-10-640x480.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

Ok agapi mou Falafia :lol:


https://toriavey.com/images/2011/01/Falafel-10-640x480.jpg

Hahah damn sloppy thumbs.

Ps. Cock >>>>>>> minge

[Dick]

My wife's a dude and I like cock

You're gluten sensitive? How's that even possible.

[Rgvgjhvv]

You're gluten sensitive? How's that even possible.

Not so much nowadays, but I used to eat a ton of pasta and bread like way too much. It became harder to digest. I took a little break then came back strong.

Thrilling story

[Dick]

Not so much nowadays, but I used to eat a ton of pasta and bread like way too much. It became harder to digest. I took a little break then came back strong.

Thrilling story

Were you actually diagnosed by a doctor to have celiac disease or is it hip to be gluten sensitive nowadays.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Were you actually diagnosed by a doctor to have celiac disease or is it hip to gluten sensitive nowadays.

No I wasn't gluten intolerant aka celiac. That's super rare I think. It's just my stomach became very poor at digesting gluten, so you'd feel really bloated and unpleasant. But I think it was less so the gluten itself, and more so my stomach was sensitive to many things period. So I take a pill for acid reflux and I'm A okay now.

What a fucking incredible conversation. I want you to always remember this. Goodnight xoxo

[Dick]

No I wasn't gluten intolerant aka celiac. That's super rare I think. It's just my stomach became very poor at digesting gluten, so you'd feel really bloated and unpleasant. But I think it was less so the gluten itself, and more so my stomach was sensitive to many things period. So I take a pill for acid reflux and I'm A okay now.

What a fucking incredible conversation. I want you to always remember this. Goodnight xoxo

It's because you were eating too much, ya pig.

[GreentheViper]

I hate seeing Canadians fight, let's just all be friends boys.

[Dick]

I hate seeing Canadians fight, let's just all be friends boys.

He started it. Not my fault he's sensitive to lactose, gluten and corny jokes.

[Prinses]

Do people even realise what ‘race’ means? They’re both caucasoids. If you mean cultural then yeah, Turkey is eurasian/west asian rather than european and greek is is european. I don’t put Turkey in ‘middle east’ since there are alot of differences. Also you can’t talk about Turkey as a whole since it’s divided. There are Turks with Greek/Balkan ancestry, there are Turks with Arab ancestry etc.

But it’s okay I put myself in the ‘middle east’ and brown category if that makes people happy here :lol:

[Dick]

Do people even realise what ‘race’ means? They’re both caucasoids. If you mean cultural then yeah, Turkey is eurasian/west asian rather than european and greek is is european. I don’t put Turkey in ‘middle east’ since there are alot of differences. Also you can’t talk about Turkey as a whole since it’s divided. There are Turks with Greek/Balkan ancestry, there are Turks with Arab ancestry etc.

But it’s okay I put myself in the ‘middle east’ and brown category if that makes people happy here :lol:

Are you sensitive to gluten

[nightrider+]

Are you sensitive to gluten

0.5 percentage is rapidly rising.

[Prinses]

Are you sensitive to gluten

No luckily not xD

[Rgvgjhvv]

It's because you were eating too much, ya pig.

I got up to take a leak.

This is not true! I'm a twig.


Not my fault he's sensitive to lactose, gluten and corny jokes.

True. Just shovel me up baby. Good joke or nah?

[FinalFlash]

Yes, they are galaxies apart.

[Dick]

I got up to take a leak.

You're definitely a Canadian

[nightrider+]

No luckily not xD

I'm sesame sensitive. Hbu?

[Rgvgjhvv]

You're definitely a Canadian

Is that a thing only we say? Well bake me a beaver tail and call me Mercer. Goodnight my sweet prince

[Prinses]

I'm sesame sensitive. Hbu?

No I can tolerate every food and I like sesame pasta

[Dick]

Is that a thing only we say? Well bake me a beaver tail and call me Mercer. Goodnight my sweet prince

Nobody else says "take a leak" other than Canadians. Go to bed, ya hoser.

[Marmara]

I consider Turks the filthiest race on earth, the dredges of humanity.

I can imagine welcoming any race into my family black, asian or latino, except for Turk, Afgan or Indian.

Wait, you have a family :shocked:

I thought your parents left you when you were 2.

[Bornoz]

As I said before:
Derdinizi sikim

[TheMaestro]

Deli Iskender analysis!

https://i.imgur.com/O4Yvhaf.gif

[itilvolga]

We are same shits different colors. That’s a fact unfortunately.

[Mr. Anybody]

Nobody else says "take a leak" other than Canadians. Go to bed, ya hoser.
Bro what “Ya Hoser”?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Bro what “Ya Hoser”?

Canadian secret. Maybe in the next life, my son

[Mr. Anybody]

Canadian secret. Maybe in the next life, my son

Gotcha you,ya lactose intolerant tungus habibi

[jackrussell]

As I said before:
Derdinizi sikim

:D

1st world problems.

[indo-uralopean]

There should be an auction for Dick's first downvote.

[Arch Hades]

They're pretty different. Actually in the Neolithic era circa 6500-4000 BC Greece and Turkey were almost genetically identical, since then they've drifted apart.

[itilvolga]

Give me a thumbs down you happy, easy going mother fucker. Make me feel special.

https://i.postimg.cc/dVVmk2SV/Capture.png (https://postimages.org/)

NO I DESERVE IT, NOT YOU

[Latinus]

Thumbing me down won't change facts.

[Marmara]

People don't get what Myanthropologies asked.

[nightrider+]

People don't get what Myanthropologies asked.

Yeah, because myanthrotrollologies is being serious.

[FinalFlash]

You're definitely a Canadian

Non Canadians say that as well.

[Ryujin]

They are basically the same race except Afro-Turks and Mongoloid ones. Case closed.

[Sikeliot]

Turks have Central Asian admixture so they are, partially, of a different race than Greeks.

[Joso]

i don't know

[Catarinense1998]

Every thread with a lot of pages has a great potential tô be corrupted by off topics comments and fights.

[Kamal900]

I consider Turks the filthiest race on earth, the dredges of humanity.

I can imagine welcoming any race into my family black, asian or latino, except for Turk, Afgan or Indian.

Why do you hate Afghans?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

not really

[archangel]

Ethnic Türks are more North Euroasian in look and genetics whereas Greeks are more med apart from some few slavic mixed ones in North

[onetwopunch]

Yes we are a different race, in that we have a different psychosynthesis and a different Karma.

Turks are descended from a multitude of peoples and races, while Greeks always have been Greeks since antiquity.

Other than Greeks mixing with Egyptians, Indians, gypsies, Persians and other sand niggers.

Greeks to me look like a mix bag of a nation. Some can look Hungarian and other Greeks can look like a god damned fucking Paki.

Turks are more uniform with Turkic genetics as a strong base with some outliers. Also Anatolian Greeks are not Greek genetically. They are most converted anatolians by force. And Turks are mostly Anatolian which is very different than Greek from the Peloponnes. I can spot a Greek from a mile away.

[Bosniensis]

Turks are turkified people, Most of Turks were Orthodox Anatolians before Islam and Turkifications and were called Rum, they spoke Rumica, Romeyka (Pontic Greek language), but they were enslaved and culturally re-educated from 1071 - 1300 A.D.

[onetwopunch]

Many Italians also pass as Turks and vice versa.
Same for Iberians.

Don't blame me. If you don't like, you know what do.

Because Etruscan came from Turkey. I have 10% Italian which is basically Etruscan Turkish blood.

[Bosniensis]

Because Etruscan came from Turkey. I have 10% Italian which is basically Etruscan Turkish blood.

Etruscans came from Lydia, which is western anatolia... that is modern Turkey, Turkey did not exist in Etruscan times.

Etruscans are Syrians (Hurrians, Hittite) + Greeks mix that mix gave life to Latin and Etruscans language.

[archangel]

Turks have Central Asian admixture so they are, partially, of a different race than Greeks.

Ye Greeks are more southwestern(Med) whereas ethnic Türks are North Euroasian in look and genetics

[Dorian]

OWD durks alert!

[itilvolga]

Turks are turkified people, Most of Turks were Orthodox Anatolians before Islam and Turkifications and were called Rum, they spoke Rumica, Romeyka (Pontic Greek language), but they were enslaved and culturally re-educated from 1071 - 1300 A.D.

GAWD ENOUGH

[Pausanias]

No.

But here are Turks genetically Greeks (most of the white med turks).

[Marmara]

No.

But here are Turks genetically Greeks (most of the white med turks).

Like Köksal Baba?

[Papastratosels26]

No we are different.

Στάλθηκε από το G3311 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk

[Bosniensis]

Bosniensis, I turkified your* mom's pussy.

If you Turks so violently claim to be Asiatic Altaic people why are you all on this forum? If such is your identity of being Altaic people go somewhere else and stop pestering us here.

[Ryujin]

If you Turks so violently claim to be Asiatic Altaic people why are you all on this forum? If such is your identity of being Altaic people go somewhere else and stop pestering us here.

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2011/5/26/2011526103450823734_20.jpg

Did you remember? he had your mom do a Bosnian Vomit Blowjob.

[Ryujin]

bosniensis anana kusturmalı boşnak saksosu yaptırayım amk piçi seni

[Mingle]

If you Turks so violently claim to be Asiatic Altaic people why are you all on this forum? If such is your identity of being Altaic people go somewhere else and stop pestering us here.

How come your username turned blue?

[Prinses]

Bosniensis, I turkified your* mom's pussy.

Don't be disrespectful towards a mom/dad/familymember of someone. Grow up.

[Westbrook]

There's too much variation in Turks to say yes or no

[Westbrook]

I think you need to go, little boy

Bosniensis, I turkified your* mom's pussy.


Who is violently claiming to be Asiatic Altaic, you subhuman jobless degenerate.

The only pest here is you, but I would describe you more like a diseased cockroach.

[onetwopunch]

Etruscans came from Lydia, which is western anatolia... that is modern Turkey, Turkey did not exist in Etruscan times.

Etruscans are Syrians (Hurrians, Hittite) + Greeks mix that mix gave life to Latin and Etruscans language.

Etruscan is not from Syria. Etruscan is proto Turkish. Genetic tests have proven this.

[Bosniensis]

[IMG]https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/Images/2011/5/26/2011526103450823734_20.jpg[/IG]

Did you remember? he had your mom do a Bosnian Vomit Blowjob.

Does not concern you japanese..

[Kivan]

No.

[Token]

Ye Greeks are more southwestern(Med) whereas ethnic Türks are North Euroasian in look and genetics

What do you define as 'North Euroasian'?

[Bosniensis]

Etruscan is not from Syria. Etruscan is proto Turkish. Genetic tests have proven this.

omg...

[karakartal]

Typical Turkish mentality; Scythians and Etruscans are Turk. It's a definetly bullshit.

[Bosniensis]

Typical Turkish mentality; Scythians and Etruscans are Turk. It's a definetly bullshit.

J2a Turkish DNA IS related to Etruscans but not to Turks! You might be related to Anatolian Lydians, but not to Turks!

[kleenex]

Mainland Greeks are Balkanites/West Meds and particularly close to Central Italians. Modern Turks are Eastern shifted Anatolians. Genetically there is a huge gap between mainland Greeks and mainland Turks. I would say that there is some racial difference; i.e., Caucasian vs. Mongoloid admixture.

[Marmara]

Mainland Greeks are Balkanites/West Meds and particularly close to Central Italians. Modern Turks are Eastern shifted Anatolians. Genetically there is a huge gap between mainland Greeks and mainland Turks. I would say that there is some racial difference; i.e., Caucasian vs. Mongoloid admixture.

Does this mean there is racial difference within Greeks as well? Greeks are a multiracial people?

[kleenex]

Does this mean there is racial difference within Greeks as well? Greeks are a multiracial people?

You've probably seen the studies on the genetic difference between mainland and island Greeks. Mainland Greeks are closer to Albanians and Balkanites, Islanders are closer to Sicilians. Each population is within the Balkan to East Med spectrum. Now I do believe that the Greeks in Cyprus are closer to Levantines and that Pontid/Anatolian Greeks are closer to Caucasian types which does form a substantial split. Are they a different race in the East I would say no because there isn't any Mongoloid admixture in Eastern Greeks. As I recall the major races are Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid.

[Marmara]

You've probably seen the studies on the genetic difference between mainland and island Greeks. Mainland Greeks are closer to Albanians and Balkanites, Islanders are closer to Sicilians. Each population is within the Balkan to East Med spectrum. Now I do believe that the Greeks in Cyprus are closer to Levantines and that Pontid/Anatolian Greeks are closer to Caucasian types which does form a substantial split. Are they a different race in the East I would say no because there isn't any Mongoloid admixture in Eastern Greeks. As I recall the major races are Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid.

Oh okay, i thought that you based the idea of racial difference to the genetic distance between Greek Mainlanders and Central Anatolian Turks, because Greek mainlanders come closer to Central Anatolian Turks than any European outside South Europe + Balkans in terms of Genetic distance.

[nightrider+]

because Greek mainlanders come closer to Central Anatolian Turks than any European outside South Europe + Balkans in terms of Genetic distance.

Lol, wrong.

[kleenex]

Oh okay, i thought that you based the idea of racial difference to the genetic distance between Greek Mainlanders and Central Anatolian Turks, because Greek mainlanders come closer to Central Anatolian Turks than any European outside South Europe + Balkans in terms of Genetic distance.

Really? I have never had Anatolian Turk in my top 25 so I'm not sure about that. You may be referring to an Eastern Macedonian possibly. Bulgarians would seem to be closer. I've never seen any serious comparison.

[Marmara]

Lol, wrong.


Really? I have never had Anatolian Turk in my top 25 so I'm not sure about that. You may be referring to an Eastern Macedonian possibly. Bulgarians would seem to be closer. I've never seen any serious comparison.

No, Bulgarians are further away from Central Anatolian Turks than Greek mainlanders are.

Here is from Central Greece


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.91
2 West_Med 18.21
3 North_Sea 14.41
4 West_Asian 11.95
5 Baltic 9.36
6 Atlantic 9.12
7 Eastern_Euro 6.31
8 Red_Sea 2.73
9 Siberian 0.61
10 Oceanian 0.57
11 Southeast_Asian 0.37
12 Northeast_African 0.25
13 Sub-Saharan 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 4.76
2 Central_Greek 7.29
3 Ashkenazi 7.92
4 Greek 7.95
5 East_Sicilian 8.39
6 Italian_Abruzzo 9.36
7 South_Italian 10.09
8 West_Sicilian 10.55
9 Tuscan 11.43
10 Bulgarian 12.75
11 Italian_Jewish 13.15
12 Romanian 14.4
13 Algerian_Jewish 14.7
14 Sephardic_Jewish 15.13
15 North_Italian 16.36
16 Serbian 17.21
17 Libyan_Jewish 17.87
18 Tunisian_Jewish 18.57
19 Cyprian 19.44
20 Turkish 21.86

If you try different calculator oracles i'm sure you would see Turkish.

By the way, remember that we are comparing most western shifted Greeks with most Eastern shifted Turks.

[kleenex]

No, Bulgarians are further away from Central Anatolian Turks than Greek mainlanders are.

Here is from Central Greece



If you try different calculator oracles i'm sure you would see Turkish.

By the way, remember that we are comparing most western shifted Greeks with most Eastern shifted Turks.
Central Greeks include Cycladic Islands which are more Eastern shifted.

[lonewolfcypriot]

TBH if I saw a Turk or a Greek from a distance I really wouldn't know if they were Turk or Greek. I think that Greeks in general are lighter pigmented than Turks. Apart from that they are really similar in appearance.

[Marmara]

Central Greeks include Cycladic Islands which are more Eastern shifted.

You won't quit, will you?

Laconia, Peloponnese


Eurogenes:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 21.59
2 West_Med 17.5
3 West_Asian 17.04
4 Atlantic 13.78
5 North_Sea 13.48
6 Baltic 9
7 Eastern_Euro 4
8 Red_Sea 3.35
9 Oceanian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.48
2 Central_Greek 6.04
3 Italian_Abruzzo 6.04
4 Greek 6.81
5 East_Sicilian 7.53
6 Tuscan 8.82
7 Ashkenazi 9.05
8 South_Italian 9.48
9 West_Sicilian 9.76
10 Bulgarian 10.88
11 Romanian 12.53
12 North_Italian 13.92
13 Italian_Jewish 14.68
14 Sephardic_Jewish 15.64
15 Serbian 16.08
16 Algerian_Jewish 16.52
17 Tunisian_Jewish 19.84
18 Turkish 19.92
19 Libyan_Jewish 20.77
20 Cyprian 20.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.2% Central_Greek + 15.8% East_German @ 3.53
2 90.6% Greek_Thessaly + 9.4% Abhkasian @ 3.67
3 89.7% Greek_Thessaly + 10.3% Georgian @ 3.67
4 71.6% Central_Greek + 28.4% Romanian @ 3.73
5 84.4% Central_Greek + 15.6% West_German @ 3.75
6 89.6% Greek_Thessaly + 10.4% Ossetian @ 3.77
7 82.9% Central_Greek + 17.1% Hungarian @ 3.78
8 87.9% Central_Greek + 12.1% Swedish @ 3.78
9 86.5% Central_Greek + 13.5% North_German @ 3.79
10 88% Central_Greek + 12% Norwegian @ 3.8
11 87.5% Central_Greek + 12.5% North_Dutch @ 3.82
12 86.9% Central_Greek + 13.1% Southwest_English @ 3.83
13 84.8% Central_Greek + 15.2% South_Dutch @ 3.84
14 88.5% Central_Greek + 11.5% West_Norwegian @ 3.84
15 54.4% Greek_Thessaly + 45.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.86
16 88.3% Central_Greek + 11.7% Orcadian @ 3.92
17 90.1% Greek_Thessaly + 9.9% North_Ossetian @ 3.92
18 82.1% Central_Greek + 17.9% Moldavian @ 3.92
19 87.7% Central_Greek + 12.3% Danish @ 3.93
20 88.3% Central_Greek + 11.7% North_Swedish @ 3.96

[Koralline]

Turks from Central Asia and Siberia are of a different race, if that's what you are asking.

[kleenex]

No, Bulgarians are further away from Central Anatolian Turks than Greek mainlanders are.

Here is from Central Greece



If you try different calculator oracles i'm sure you would see Turkish.

By the way, remember that we are comparing most western shifted Greeks with most Eastern shifted Turks.

Here's mine as a comparison:
1 East_Med 22.88
2 Atlantic 19.64
3 West_Asian 15.07
4 West_Med 14.34
5 Baltic 11.57
6 North_Sea 10.11
7 Red_Sea 3.81
8 Eastern_Euro 2.37
9 Amerindian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 6.39
2 Italian_Abruzzo 6.56
3 Central_Greek 8.23
4 West_Sicilian 8.86
5 Tuscan 8.97
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.98
7 East_Sicilian 9
8 South_Italian 10.25
9 Bulgarian 10.49
10 Ashkenazi 10.79
11 Romanian 12.68
12 North_Italian 13.8
13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.2
14 Italian_Jewish 15.28
15 Serbian 16.35
16 Algerian_Jewish 16.57
17 Tunisian_Jewish 19.29
18 Spanish_Andalucia 20.14
19 Spanish_Extremadura 20.47
20 Spanish_Murcia 20.59

[kleenex]

You won't quit, will you?

Laconia, Peloponnese

Which calculator?

[Marmara]

As you can see Greek mainlanders are still closer to most eastern shifted Turks than to, Germans for instance.

Now i don't even compare you with Western shifting Turks.

Karakartal's results, a Turkish member on TA


Dodecad K7b
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 38.72
2 West_Asian 28.45
3 Southern 26.54
4 Siberian 3.82
5 East_Asian 1.2
6 South_Asian 1.11
7 African 0.16

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 9.2
2 C_Italian (Dodecad) 11.15
3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 12.4
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.17
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.18
6 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 13.48
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.59
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 13.9
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.39
10 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.07
11 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.16
12 Romanians (Behar) 17.01
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.9
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 20.74
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.87
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 22.39
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 22.69
18 Turks (Behar) 23.02
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 23.86
20 Cypriots (Behar) 25.58

1 59.4% Turks (Behar) + 40.6% French (Dodecad) @ 1.6
2 56.4% Druze (HGDP) + 43.6% Russian (HGDP) @ 1.67
3 54.7% Druze (HGDP) + 45.3% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.76
4 59.2% Turks (Behar) + 40.8% French (HGDP) @ 1.79
5 59.8% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.2% French (Dodecad) @

Notice the distance he is getting from Turks. It's because those who make these calculators think it's best the take most Eastern shifting Turks as proxy, or at least they don't bother breaking Turkish proxies into regions, like they do with Greeks.

[Bosniensis]

Turks are Turanids only, No Turan Admixture = No Turk.

Chinese anthropologist laughed when Turks compared themselves with Turkish identity and called them liars for No Turk look like Modern Turk in Turkey.

That being said, We must compare Turks with Syrians (NOT ARABS) Ancient Hurrian, Hittite populations of Anatolia who got Hellenized then Turkified.

But again those peoples can't be compared with modern Balkan people.

Turks should research more about Etruscans for those people are from Anatolia and used to live in Northern Italy, I recon those samples (if ever found) should
reveal many things about Etruscan and modern Turkish identity.

[nightrider+]

You won't quit, will you?


Cherrypick all you want. Central Greek includes islanders and Laconia is the most south-shifted part of the mainland. They're still at 20+ distance from Turks.

[nightrider+]

Turks on average are closer to Assyrians than to Greeks.

[kleenex]

As you can see Greek mainlanders are still closer to most eastern shifted Turks than to, Germans for instance.

Now i don't even compare you with Western shifting Turks.

Karakartal's results, a Turkish member on TA



Notice the distance he is getting from Turks. It's because those who make these calculators think it's best the take most Eastern shifting Turks as proxy, or at least they don't bother breaking Turkish proxies into regions, like they do with Greeks.

So what's your point that Greeks are closer to Turks than Germans? Most mainland Greeks are close to (in this order); Italians, Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, etc.

[Marmara]

Cherrypick all you want. Central Greek includes islanders and Laconia is the most south-shifted part of the mainland. They're still at 20+ distance from Turks.

Lol, are they not Greeks?

Here is a Macedonian (doesn't have any Anatolian ancestry)


# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.76
2 West_Med 16
3 Atlantic 15.55
4 Baltic 11.43
5 West_Asian 11.39
6 North_Sea 9.36
7 Eastern_Euro 5.35
8 Red_Sea 3.21
9 Siberian 1.02
10 Oceanian 0.54
11 Southeast_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 3.14
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.44
3 Central_Greek 6.49
4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.12
5 West_Sicilian 7.46
6 East_Sicilian 7.46
7 Ashkenazi 8.01
8 South_Italian 8.78
9 Tuscan 9.52
10 Bulgarian 10.48
11 Italian_Jewish 12.81
12 Romanian 13.1
13 Sephardic_Jewish 13.41
14 Algerian_Jewish 13.74
15 North_Italian 14.79
16 Serbian 16.47
17 Tunisian_Jewish 17.27
18 Libyan_Jewish 19.17
19 Cyprian 19.37
20 Turkish 21.46

But this Bulgarian guy from Macedonia doesn't get any Turkish, i think we should take him as the truest Greek and just excommunicate all Anatolians, Islanders and even some Mainlanders from Greekness.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 16.41
2 North_Sea 15.22
3 Baltic 15.14
4 Atlantic 13.46
5 West_Med 13.35
6 Eastern_Euro 12.13
7 West_Asian 10.23
8 Red_Sea 2.87
9 Southeast_Asian 0.92
10 Siberian 0.28



Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 3.92
2 Bulgarian 4.31
3 Serbian 6.2
4 Greek_Thessaly 9.63
5 Moldavian 10.54
6 Greek 10.71
7 Croatian 12.86
8 Hungarian 13.38
9 Austrian 13.81
10 Tuscan 14.28
11 Ashkenazi 15.02
12 Italian_Abruzzo 15.11
13 Central_Greek 15.56
14 North_Italian 15.58
15 East_Sicilian 16.53
16 West_Sicilian 16.76
17 East_German 17.71
18 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.5
19 South_Polish 19.18
20 South_Italian 19.23

[Marmara]

So what's your point that Greeks are closer to Turks than Germans? Most mainland Greeks are close to (in this order); Italians, Albanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, etc.

You said it's not true and i proved it. I already said anyone outside balkan peninsula and South Europe, which all three are in.

[nightrider+]

Lol, are they not Greeks?

Here is a Macedonian (doesn't have any Anatolian ancestry)



But this Bulgarian guy from Macedonia doesn't get any Turkish, i think we should take him as the truest Greek and just excommunicate all Anatolians, Islanders and even some Mainlanders from Greekness.

They are Greeks but you were talking specifically about mainlanders. The second sample you posted is more typical Macedonian Greek than the first (who probably has part Anatolian ancestry that you don't know about).

[Sikeliot]

"Central Greek" cluster includes islanders from the Sporades and Cyclades, as well as Athenians, so it is not a pure mainland sample. The people who score it first tend to be Apulian, Cyclades, North Aegeans, and Maniots.

[Marmara]

They are Greeks but you were talking specifically about mainlanders. The second sample you posted is more typical Macedonian Greek than the first (who probably has part Anatolian ancestry that you don't know about).

Are you just serious right now? I posted him for trolling, the second guy is a Bulgarian from Macedonia just as Vojnik is.

First guy definetly has no Anatolian ancestry because he has no elevated West Asian admixture. He is a Macedonian Greek who somehow didn't mix with Slavs.

[nightrider+]

Are you just serious right now? I posted him for trolling, the second guy is a Bulgarian from Macedonia just as Vojnik is.

First guy definetly has no Anatolian ancestry because he has no elevated West Asian admixture. He is a Macedonian Greek who somehow didn't mix with Slavs.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You think you can't find Macedonian Greeks that plot close to Vojnik? Lol. West Asian ancestry of the first could be diluted because he's mixed Northerner, he's definitely atypical. Though he could be from a coastal area, I'll give you that.

[Marmara]

You have no idea what you're talking about. You think you can't find Macedonian Greeks that plot close to Vojnik? Lol. West Asian ancestry of the first could be diluted because he's mixed Northerner, he's definitely atypical. Though he could be from a coastal area, I'll give you that.

I see, he is not really a Greek because he doesn't have the superior Slav blood.

[Marmara]

By the way, both Macedonians score about the same West Asian.

[nightrider+]

I see, he is not really a Greek because he doesn't have the superior Slav blood.

Never said that. The first person is probably more Greek genetically but not a typical Macedonian Greek. He's too south-shifted even for average Peloponnesian.

[Luke35]

Just to add another example how Greek's score, here is a lovely young women who's family comes from Samos:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.2
2 West_Med 15.58
3 West_Asian 14.18
4 Atlantic 12.85
5 Baltic 10.26
6 North_Sea 10
7 Red_Sea 5.35
8 Eastern_Euro 2.24
9 Northeast_African 1.38
10 Siberian 0.37
11 South_Asian 0.34
12 Southeast_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 3.87
2 East_Sicilian 4.09
3 Ashkenazi 5.35
4 South_Italian 5.84
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.33
6 Greek 6.73
7 Greek_Thessaly 6.97
8 West_Sicilian 7.81
9 Italian_Jewish 10.08
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.74
11 Tuscan 11.04
12 Algerian_Jewish 11.56
13 Bulgarian 13.42
14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.26
15 Romanian 15.68
16 Libyan_Jewish 15.69
17 Cyprian 16.11
18 North_Italian 17.2
19 Turkish 18.64
20 Lebanese_Muslim 18.75

[Sikeliot]

This is the average north Greek result from Serres, in Macedonia.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 18.54
2 Atlantic 16.78
3 West_Med 16.47
4 West_Asian 14.25
5 Baltic 12.46
6 North_Sea 10.95
7 Eastern_Euro 4.72
8 Red_Sea 4.51
9 Northeast_African 1.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 5.71
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.71
3 Bulgarian 7.13
4 Italian_Abruzzo 8.49
5 Tuscan 8.58
6 Romanian 9.32
7 Central_Greek 9.38
8 East_Sicilian 9.94
9 West_Sicilian 10.56
10 Ashkenazi 10.79
11 North_Italian 12.37
12 South_Italian 12.38
13 Serbian 13.19
14 Italian_Jewish 17.17
15 Sephardic_Jewish 17.54
16 Moldavian 18.31
17 Algerian_Jewish 18.4
18 Portuguese 19
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19
20 Spanish_Andalucia 19.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.9% Bulgarian + 40.1% East_Sicilian @ 3.44
2 55.5% Bulgarian + 44.5% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.51
3 65.8% Bulgarian + 34.2% South_Italian @ 3.61
4 58.1% Romanian + 41.9% South_Italian @ 3.83
5 58.7% Bulgarian + 41.3% Central_Greek @ 3.85
6 51.9% Romanian + 48.1% East_Sicilian @ 3.88
7 62.3% South_Italian + 37.7% Croatian @ 3.89
8 62.3% Bulgarian + 37.7% West_Sicilian @ 3.98
9 68.1% East_Sicilian + 31.9% Croatian @ 4.03
10 74.7% Bulgarian + 25.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.18
11 50.2% Romanian + 49.8% Central_Greek @ 4.19
12 69.8% Central_Greek + 30.2% Croatian @ 4.24
13 53% Italian_Abruzzo + 47% Romanian @ 4.25
14 56.6% Bulgarian + 43.4% Tuscan @ 4.27
15 74.5% Bulgarian + 25.5% Italian_Jewish @ 4.29
16 69.4% Central_Greek + 30.6% Austrian @ 4.38
17 69.4% South_Italian + 30.6% South_Polish @ 4.4
18 72.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 27.3% Croatian @ 4.4
19 67.9% East_Sicilian + 32.1% Austrian @ 4.41
20 85.4% Greek + 14.6% French @ 4.42

[nightrider+]

Like I said, cherrypick all you want, you are East Asian shifted Assyrians.


https://i.imgur.com/sVic2Iu.png

[Marmara]

Never said that. The first person is probably more Greek genetically but not a typical Macedonian Greek. He's too south-shifted even for average Peloponnesian.

Dodecad:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.45
2 North_European 28.42
3 Atlantic_Med 26.47
4 Southwest_Asian 7.93
5 Gedrosia 5.06
6 Northwest_African 0.69
7 Siberian 0.5
8 South_Asian 0.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.78
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.3
3 Romanians (Behar) 7.96
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.25
5 Greek (Dodecad) 10.18
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.18
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.93
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.3
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.08
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.06
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.13
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.16
13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.38
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.77
15 Hungarians (Behar) 22.77
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.5
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.35
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 26.71
19 Turkish (Dodecad) 27.05
20 German (Dodecad) 27.21

A Macedonian, has the same distance with Central Anatolian Turks and Germans. Congrats.

But he is obvioisly slavic admixed.

[nightrider+]

Dodecad:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 30.45
2 North_European 28.42
3 Atlantic_Med 26.47
4 Southwest_Asian 7.93
5 Gedrosia 5.06
6 Northwest_African 0.69
7 Siberian 0.5
8 South_Asian 0.48

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 6.78
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.3
3 Romanians (Behar) 7.96
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.25
5 Greek (Dodecad) 10.18
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 13.18
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.93
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.3
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.08
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.06
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.13
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 17.16
13 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.38
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.77
15 Hungarians (Behar) 22.77
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.5
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.35
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 26.71
19 Turkish (Dodecad) 27.05
20 German (Dodecad) 27.21

A Macedonian, has the same distance with Central Anatolian Turks and Germans. Congrats.

But he is obvioisly slavic admixed.

This one looks like an Azov Greek or something. You are trying way too hard.

[Marmara]

This one looks like an Azov Greek or something. You are trying way too hard.

Azov Greeks are the Greeks who come closest to Anatolian Turks, even more than Greek Islanders. This guy isn't an Azov Greek. He is Thessalonikian.

[nightrider+]

Azov Greeks are the Greeks who come closest to Anatolian Turks, even more than Greek Islanders. This guy isn't an Azov Greek. He is Thessalonikian.

Whatever he is, you 've cherrypicked the most atypical mainlanders but you still can't find one at a reasonable distance from Turks. The fact remains.


You are East Asian shifted Assyrians.


https://i.imgur.com/sVic2Iu.png

[Sikeliot]

Azov Greeks are the Greeks who come closest to Anatolian Turks, even more than Greek Islanders. This guy isn't an Azov Greek. He is Thessalonikian.

this is what people from Thessaloniki usually score like:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.21
2 West_Med 17.31
3 North_Sea 14.2
4 Atlantic 12.43
5 West_Asian 12.33
6 Baltic 11.03
7 Eastern_Euro 10.89
8 Red_Sea 1.27
9 Amerindian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.94
2 Greek 7.05
3 Bulgarian 7.49
4 Romanian 8.89
5 Central_Greek 10.94
6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.11
7 Tuscan 11.19
8 Serbian 11.51
9 Ashkenazi 11.6
10 East_Sicilian 12.29
11 West_Sicilian 12.79
12 North_Italian 14.11
13 South_Italian 14.49
14 Moldavian 16.38
15 Italian_Jewish 18.38
16 Croatian 18.82
17 Hungarian 18.9
18 Austrian 19.11
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.59
20 Algerian_Jewish 19.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Greek_Thessaly + 9.4% Chuvash @ 4.51
2 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% Erzya @ 4.59
3 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.61
4 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Serbian @ 4.63
5 61.3% Central_Greek + 38.7% Moldavian @ 4.64
6 92.3% Greek_Thessaly + 7.7% Mari @ 4.72
7 62.1% Greek_Thessaly + 37.9% Bulgarian @ 4.8
8 81.7% Greek_Thessaly + 18.3% Moldavian @ 4.81
9 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Romanian @ 4.82
10 89.7% Greek_Thessaly + 10.3% East_Finnish @ 4.82
11 71.7% Central_Greek + 28.3% Ukrainian @ 4.86
12 53.4% South_Italian + 46.6% Moldavian @ 4.88
13 89% Greek_Thessaly + 11% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.89
14 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Southwest_Russian @ 4.89
15 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Tatar @ 4.91
16 84.5% Greek_Thessaly + 15.5% Croatian @ 4.93
17 67.4% Greek + 32.6% Serbian @ 4.96
18 51.6% Central_Greek + 48.4% Serbian @ 4.96
19 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% Polish @ 4.99
20 90.3% Greek_Thessaly + 9.7% Estonian_Polish @ 5

[Marmara]

Whatever he is, you 've cherrypicked the most atypical mainlanders but you still can't find one at a reasonable distance from Turks. The fact remains.

Reasonable distance from Turks? I can find that easily. I'm looking for the distances between Greek Mainlanders and central anatolian(most eastern shifting) Turks. Geographic distance between Athens and Kırşehir is about the same as Athens and Belgrade, so the genetic distances make sense.

[Leto]

Böri would say yes. To him Turks are a Siberian people and all the Anadolu and Levantine wogs are not part of his nation. Don't know why he still hasn't migrated to the Altai republic of Russia.

[nightrider+]

Reasonable distance from Turks? I can find that easily. I'm looking for the distances between Greek Mainlanders and central anatolian(most eastern shifting) Turks. Geographic distance between Athens and Kırşehir is about the same as Athens and Belgrade, so the genetic distances make sense.

See the PCA above, no cherrypicking and dubious gedmatch samples. There are some Turks with obvious Balkan ancestry and they are the only ones that are close. When you say Central Anatolia do you mean all Turkey except the coasts? :icon_lol:

https://i.imgur.com/DolzhW2.gif

[Sikeliot]

For being next door neighbors it is surprising the genetic distance is so large between the two.

[Marmara]

this is what people from Thessaloniki usually score like:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.21
2 West_Med 17.31
3 North_Sea 14.2
4 Atlantic 12.43
5 West_Asian 12.33
6 Baltic 11.03
7 Eastern_Euro 10.89
8 Red_Sea 1.27
9 Amerindian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.94
2 Greek 7.05
3 Bulgarian 7.49
4 Romanian 8.89
5 Central_Greek 10.94
6 Italian_Abruzzo 11.11
7 Tuscan 11.19
8 Serbian 11.51
9 Ashkenazi 11.6
10 East_Sicilian 12.29
11 West_Sicilian 12.79
12 North_Italian 14.11
13 South_Italian 14.49
14 Moldavian 16.38
15 Italian_Jewish 18.38
16 Croatian 18.82
17 Hungarian 18.9
18 Austrian 19.11
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.59
20 Algerian_Jewish 19.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.6% Greek_Thessaly + 9.4% Chuvash @ 4.51
2 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% Erzya @ 4.59
3 88.8% Greek_Thessaly + 11.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.61
4 73.9% Greek_Thessaly + 26.1% Serbian @ 4.63
5 61.3% Central_Greek + 38.7% Moldavian @ 4.64
6 92.3% Greek_Thessaly + 7.7% Mari @ 4.72
7 62.1% Greek_Thessaly + 37.9% Bulgarian @ 4.8
8 81.7% Greek_Thessaly + 18.3% Moldavian @ 4.81
9 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Romanian @ 4.82
10 89.7% Greek_Thessaly + 10.3% East_Finnish @ 4.82
11 71.7% Central_Greek + 28.3% Ukrainian @ 4.86
12 53.4% South_Italian + 46.6% Moldavian @ 4.88
13 89% Greek_Thessaly + 11% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.89
14 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Southwest_Russian @ 4.89
15 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Tatar @ 4.91
16 84.5% Greek_Thessaly + 15.5% Croatian @ 4.93
17 67.4% Greek + 32.6% Serbian @ 4.96
18 51.6% Central_Greek + 48.4% Serbian @ 4.96
19 89.5% Greek_Thessaly + 10.5% Polish @ 4.99
20 90.3% Greek_Thessaly + 9.7% Estonian_Polish @ 5

Do you also say the guy i posted was an Azov Greek? Azov Greeks are genetically very close to Anatolian Turks. This guy isn't.

[Marmara]

For being next door neighbors it is surprising the genetic distance is so large between the two.

Thessaloniki and Kırşehir(Turkish proxy) aren't next door.

This is next door

Turkish result from Edirne

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.86
2 West_Med 19.29
3 Baltic 18.94
4 West_Asian 16.34
5 North_Atlantic 15.94
6 Red_Sea 1.59
7 East_Asian 1.29
8 Amerindian 0.68
9 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.08
2 Central_Greek 9.13
3 Bulgarian 9.34
4 East_Sicilian 11
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.31
6 Romanian 12.14
7 Ashkenazi 12.86
8 West_Sicilian 13.18
9 South_Italian 13.57
10 Tuscan 15.04
11 Serbian 16.54
12 North_Italian 18.88
13 Algerian_Jewish 19.2
14 Italian_Jewish 19.4
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.47
16 Moldavian 21.14
17 Turkish 21.77
18 Cyprian 22.47
19 Tunisian_Jewish 22.66
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.16

[kleenex]

I'm a pretty standard mainland Greek and when compared to NW Greeks there is absolutely no difference. The Greek mainland is homogeneous with the exception of a far NorthEastern Macedonia (like Pella for instance) where there may be an increased Slavic affinity.
MDLP K 23
1 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 2.05
2 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 2.07
3 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 2.94
4 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 3.1
5 Kosovar ( ) 4.84
6 Central_Greek ( ) 4.88
7 Ashkenazi ( ) 4.95
8 Greek_Northwest ( ) 4.99
9 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 5.09
10 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 5.79
11 Romanian_Jew ( ) 6.02
12 Sicilian_East ( ) 6.64
13 Sicilian_Center ( ) 6.99
14 Greek_Phokaia ( ) 7.53
15 Macedonian ( ) 7.61
16 Greek ( ) 7.75
17 Bulgarian ( ) 7.79
18 French_Jew ( ) 8.11
19 Gagauz ( ) 8.2
20 Greek_Athens ( ) 8.24

Punt DNA K15
# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 37.7
2 NE_European 30.02
3 Caucasian 20.84
4 SW_Asian 8.11
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.83
6 Amerindian 0.49
7 Beringian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Albanian 2.3
2 Tuscan 2.6
3 Greek_Thessaly 3.15
4 Greek_Central 3.99
5 Italian 8.2
6 Montenegrin 9.02
7 Ashkenazy_Jew 9.11
8 Sicilian 10.31
9 Bulgarian 10.71
10 Romanian 11.42
11 Macedonian 12.76
12 Sephardic_Jew 13.06
13 Brazilian 15.09
14 Portuguese 15.25
15 Bosnian 15.29
16 Spaniard 16.61
17 Serbian 18.96
18 French 21.13
19 Basque 23.55
20 South_German 23.73

[nightrider+]

Thessaloniki and Kırşehir(Turkish proxy) aren't next door.

This is next door

Turkish result from Edirne

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.86
2 West_Med 19.29
3 Baltic 18.94
4 West_Asian 16.34
5 North_Atlantic 15.94
6 Red_Sea 1.59
7 East_Asian 1.29
8 Amerindian 0.68
9 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 6.08
2 Central_Greek 9.13
3 Bulgarian 9.34
4 East_Sicilian 11
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.31
6 Romanian 12.14
7 Ashkenazi 12.86
8 West_Sicilian 13.18
9 South_Italian 13.57
10 Tuscan 15.04
11 Serbian 16.54
12 North_Italian 18.88
13 Algerian_Jewish 19.2
14 Italian_Jewish 19.4
15 Sephardic_Jewish 19.47
16 Moldavian 21.14
17 Turkish 21.77
18 Cyprian 22.47
19 Tunisian_Jewish 22.66
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.16

So this is a Turk? Funny because whenever a dark Turk is posted here he somehow is Kurd, Arab etc. Your OWD knows no bounds.

[Marmara]

So this is a Turk? Funny because whenever a dark Turk is posted here he somehow is Kurd, Arab etc. Your OWD knows no bounds.

Kurds and Arabs are populous in Turkey and they are darker than Turks, it's not rocket science. When some one posts a dark "Turk" to troll Turks it happens to be Kurdish or Arab, is it coincidence?

Yes he is Turkish.

[Ryujin]

Lock this thread

[Leto]

So this is a Turk? Funny because whenever a dark Turk is posted here he somehow is Kurd, Arab etc. Your OWD knows no bounds.
Well, not all people in Turkey are phenotypically and genetically like fucking Hadouken. That Edirne person must be an assimilated SE European with little to no Anatolian admixture.

[nightrider+]

Kurds and Arabs are populous in Turkey and they are darker than Turks, it's not rocket science. When some one posts a dark "Turk" to troll Turks it happens to be Kurdish or Arab, is it coincidence?

Yes he is Turkish.

He's a native Thracian or Greek that speaks Turkish. As Turkish as the Kurds and Arabs you are talking about.

[Dick]

So this is a Turk? Funny because whenever a dark Turk is posted here he somehow is Kurd, Arab etc. Your OWD knows no bounds.

No way that's a Turk with that much Baltic

[Marmara]

Well, not all people in Turkey are phenotypically and genetically like fucking Hadouken. That Edirne person must be an assimilated SE European with little to no Anatolian admixture.

Anatolian =/= Turkish. Anatolian Greeks are the true Anatolians. Some Turks just happened to mix with them.

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.37
2 West_Asian 17.4
3 East_Med 17.22
4 North_Atlantic 15.68
5 West_Med 15.31
6 Siberian 7.76
7 Red_Sea 3.95
8 East_Asian 3.46
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 Northeast_African 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 12.52
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.46
3 Romanian 13.49
4 Central_Greek 16.26
5 Serbian 16.53
6 Italian_Abruzzo 16.69
7 East_Sicilian 17.49
8 West_Sicilian 18.91
9 Moldavian 19.38
10 Tuscan 19.46
11 Ashkenazi 19.52
12 South_Italian 20.07
13 Nogay 20.13
14 North_Italian 21.75
15 Turkish 22.07
16 Tatar 22.94
17 Hungarian 23.08
18 Croatian 23.08
19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.76
20 Kumyk 24.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Nogay @ 4.49
2 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% Nogay @ 4.93
3 69.5% Bulgarian + 30.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.01
4 59.2% Central_Greek + 40.8% Tatar @ 5.13
5 53.5% South_Italian + 46.5% Tatar @ 5.14
6 61.1% Romanian + 38.9% Nogay @ 5.37
7 67.9% Greek_Thessaly + 32.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.43
8 57.3% East_Sicilian + 42.7% Tatar @ 5.55
9 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% Uzbeki @ 5.8
10 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Hazara @ 5.84
11 67.7% Central_Greek + 32.3% Chuvash @ 5.88
12 55.4% Tatar + 44.6% Cyprian @ 5.98
13 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Aghan_Hazara @ 6
14 62.4% South_Italian + 37.6% Chuvash @ 6.01
15 52.1% Tatar + 47.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.34
16 70.5% Central_Greek + 29.5% Mari @ 6.37
17 58.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 41.2% Tatar @ 6.39
18 68.5% Romanian + 31.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.39
19 67.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.7% Chuvash @ 6.42
20 71.1% Greek_Thessaly + 28.9% Uzbeki @ 6.43

Does this guy look "assimilated"?

[Leto]

He's a native Thracian or Greek that speaks Turkish. As Turkish as the Kurds and Arabs you are talking about.
The most Turkic people are like Böri, Gültekin and Anatolian Stalion. Especially Gültekin is an interesting case since has double digit amounts of both East Eurasian and NE European admixture.

[Ryujin]

I like how Turkish results and phenotypes bewilder some here.

[Leto]

Anatolian =/= Turkish. Anatolian Greeks are the true Anatolians. Some Turks just happened to mix with them.

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 18.37
2 West_Asian 17.4
3 East_Med 17.22
4 North_Atlantic 15.68
5 West_Med 15.31
6 Siberian 7.76
7 Red_Sea 3.95
8 East_Asian 3.46
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 Northeast_African 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 12.52
2 Greek_Thessaly 13.46
3 Romanian 13.49
4 Central_Greek 16.26
5 Serbian 16.53
6 Italian_Abruzzo 16.69
7 East_Sicilian 17.49
8 West_Sicilian 18.91
9 Moldavian 19.38
10 Tuscan 19.46
11 Ashkenazi 19.52
12 South_Italian 20.07
13 Nogay 20.13
14 North_Italian 21.75
15 Turkish 22.07
16 Tatar 22.94
17 Hungarian 23.08
18 Croatian 23.08
19 Sephardic_Jewish 24.76
20 Kumyk 24.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% Bulgarian + 37.3% Nogay @ 4.49
2 60.9% Greek_Thessaly + 39.1% Nogay @ 4.93
3 69.5% Bulgarian + 30.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.01
4 59.2% Central_Greek + 40.8% Tatar @ 5.13
5 53.5% South_Italian + 46.5% Tatar @ 5.14
6 61.1% Romanian + 38.9% Nogay @ 5.37
7 67.9% Greek_Thessaly + 32.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.43
8 57.3% East_Sicilian + 42.7% Tatar @ 5.55
9 72.5% Bulgarian + 27.5% Uzbeki @ 5.8
10 75.9% Bulgarian + 24.1% Hazara @ 5.84
11 67.7% Central_Greek + 32.3% Chuvash @ 5.88
12 55.4% Tatar + 44.6% Cyprian @ 5.98
13 73.9% Bulgarian + 26.1% Aghan_Hazara @ 6
14 62.4% South_Italian + 37.6% Chuvash @ 6.01
15 52.1% Tatar + 47.9% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.34
16 70.5% Central_Greek + 29.5% Mari @ 6.37
17 58.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 41.2% Tatar @ 6.39
18 68.5% Romanian + 31.5% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.39
19 67.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 32.7% Chuvash @ 6.42
20 71.1% Greek_Thessaly + 28.9% Uzbeki @ 6.43

Does this guy look "assimilated"?
He seems to be a mix of SE Europeans/Greeks and some Turkics. Is that Kaspias? He's half Bulgarian and half Balkan Turk, so not from Turkey strictly speaking.

[Marmara]

No way that's a Turk with that much Baltic

Turkish member Deniz's results

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.37
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 26.17
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.41
4 South_Central_Asian 6.05
5 North_African 4.14
6 Near_East 3.52
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.98
8 Arctic 1.83
9 East_Siberian 1.41
10 South_Indian 1.17Be happy Bro.
11 Tungus-Altaic 1.12
12 South_East_Asian 0.99
13 East_African 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 5.36
2 Serb_BH ( ) 5.65
3 Montenegrian ( ) 5.73
4 Croat ( ) 5.93
5 Croat_BH ( ) 5.94
6 Bulgarian ( ) 6.03
7 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.26
8 Macedonian ( ) 6.95
9 Romanian ( ) 8.72
10 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 9
11 Slovenian ( ) 10.03
12 Czech ( ) 10.12
13 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 10.42
14 Hungarian ( ) 10.43
15 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 10.56
16 Ukrainian_West ( ) 10.61
17 Slovak ( ) 11.05
18 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 11.09
19 Greek_Northwest ( ) 11.29
20 Sicilian_West ( ) 11.48

[nightrider+]

The most Turkic people are like Böri, Gültekin and Anatolian Stalion. Especially Gültekin is an interesting case since has double digit amounts of both East Eurasian and NE European admixture.

Yeah, these ones would cherrypick samples with high East Asian and try to convince us that all Turkey is like this. Now we have Marmara (who looks Armenian) that cherrypicks Euro-shifted samples. Go figure.

[Ryujin]

kudur oç

[Sikeliot]

Yeah, these ones would cherrypick samples with high East Asian and try to convince us that all Turkey is like this. Now we have Marmara (who looks Armenian) that cherrypicks Euro-shifted samples. Go figure.

He is posting Balkan Turks.

[Dick]

Turkish member Deniz's results

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.37
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 26.17
3 European_Early_Farmers 16.41
4 South_Central_Asian 6.05
5 North_African 4.14
6 Near_East 3.52
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.98
8 Arctic 1.83
9 East_Siberian 1.41
10 South_Indian 1.17Be happy Bro.
11 Tungus-Altaic 1.12
12 South_East_Asian 0.99
13 East_African 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bosnian ( ) 5.36
2 Serb_BH ( ) 5.65
3 Montenegrian ( ) 5.73
4 Croat ( ) 5.93
5 Croat_BH ( ) 5.94
6 Bulgarian ( ) 6.03
7 Serb_Serbia ( ) 6.26
8 Macedonian ( ) 6.95
9 Romanian ( ) 8.72
10 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 9
11 Slovenian ( ) 10.03
12 Czech ( ) 10.12
13 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 10.42
14 Hungarian ( ) 10.43
15 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain ( ) 10.56
16 Ukrainian_West ( ) 10.61
17 Slovak ( ) 11.05
18 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 11.09
19 Greek_Northwest ( ) 11.29
20 Sicilian_West ( ) 11.48

Keep on trolling

[Kivan]

Well, not all people in Turkey are phenotypically and genetically like fucking Hadouken. That Edirne person must be an assimilated SE European with little to no Anatolian admixture.

Edirne is part of the Balkans therefore he/she is SE European. Why would anyone from that region supposed to be genetically Anatolian? And bad example, Hadouken looks Kurdish, not Turkish. This is how Anatolian Turks look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259216-In-which-of-these-countries-these-Turks-from-Isparta-Burdur-could-pass
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257198-Which-of-these-regions-Turks-from-the-Central-Black-Sea-region-fit-best
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253991-State-the-main-phenotypes-among-these-groups-and-in-which-of-these-regions-they-fit-better

[Marmara]

Keep on trolling

What trolling? This is his results.

[Leto]

Yeah, these ones would cherrypick samples with high East Asian and try to convince us that all Turkey is like this. Now we have Marmara (who looks Armenian) that cherrypicks Euro-shifted samples. Go figure.
As far as I know Marmara identifies as Middle Eastern himself and doesn't hope to get a significant amount of European blood once he does a test.
Yes, I agree. Genetic difference between Turkey and Mainland Greece is very significant. The pre-Turkic people in Anatolia were like Pontics and Armenians and then they were overrun by Turk(ic)s from the East, probably similar to Nogais and Turkmens. Of course there was also certain contribution from Europe later on as well.

[Marmara]

Yeah, these ones would cherrypick samples with high East Asian and try to convince us that all Turkey is like this. Now we have Marmara (who looks Armenian) that cherrypicks Euro-shifted samples. Go figure.

Because i'm from Southeastern Turkey.

İf i was from Western Turkey you would have a point.

Sikeliot says how Turks and Greeks are next doors but genetically worlds apart.

I'm not next door of Greeks.

[Dick]

What trolling? This is his results.

He's more Bosnian than Bosniensis?

[black hole]

the majority of Turks belongs to the MENA world.

[Leto]

Edirne is part of the Balkans therefore he/she is SE European. Why would anyone from that region supposed to be genetically Anatolian? And bad example, Hadouken looks Kurdish, not Turkish. This is how Anatolian Turks look like:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?259216-In-which-of-these-countries-these-Turks-from-Isparta-Burdur-could-pass
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?257198-Which-of-these-regions-Turks-from-the-Central-Black-Sea-region-fit-best
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?253991-State-the-main-phenotypes-among-these-groups-and-in-which-of-these-regions-they-fit-better
In Europe Hadouken looks 'Turkish'. I didn't say though he does.
Thanks, I'll take a closer look at those photo sets later.

[black hole]

He's more Bosnian than Bosniensis?



the colour of his nicknames has been changed. :lol:

[nightrider+]

Because i'm from Southeastern Turkey.

İf i was from Western Turkey you would have a point.

Sikeliot says how Turks and Greeks are next doors but genetically worlds apart.

I'm not next door of Greeks.

Even a person from Samos isn't that close to Western Turks. We're talking about swimming distances and you can get 10+ on gedmatch.

[Sikeliot]

Even a person from Samos isn't that close to Western Turks. We're talking about swimming distances and you can get 10+ on gedmatch.

Samos is actually one of the islands closest genetically to the mainland.

Let's try again: even Rhodians aren't that close to western Turks.

[Marmara]

He's more Bosnian than Bosniensis?

Different calculators might yield different results, this is the one which i could only find.

[nightrider+]

He's more Bosnian than Bosniensis?

Confirmation that Bosniensis is an Eastern Roman emperor.

[Ryujin]

Thracian Turks can look quite Northern European tbh. My dad is an example.

[Marmara]

Samos is actually one of the islands closest genetically to the mainland.

Let's try again: even Rhodians aren't that close to western Turks.

West Anatolians are the most Turkic Turks, mostly descendants of Yörüks. They don't really get close to any nearby population.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Samos is actually one of the islands closest genetically to the mainland.

Let's try again: even Rhodians aren't that close to western Turks.

Were talking about geography. Samos is the closest island to Turkey. That's all he meant

[Rgvgjhvv]

West Anatolians are the most Turkic Turks, mostly descendants of Yörüks. They don't really get close to any nearby population.

Of course

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Turkish people are extremely heterogeneous and they are not even a real ethnic group, just a conglomerate of different ethnicities, kinda like Brazilians.

Having genetic and autosomal averages in mind they are definitely not the same as Greeks. One is European the other isn't. Culturally one is European and the other isn't as well.

[Dick]

Different calculators might yield different results, this is the one which i could only find.

Nice trolling

[Rgvgjhvv]

With all that said, Western Turks and Greeks still usually get each other in the top 15-20 results. The same can't be said about North Italians and Slovenians - which is crazy

[Marmara]

Turkish people are extremely heterogeneous and they are not even a real ethnic group, just a conglomerate of different ethnicities, kinda like Brazilians.

Having genetic and autosomal averages in mind they are definitely not the same as Greeks. One is European the other isn't. Culturally one is European and the other isn't as well.

Turks are a real ethnic group you stupid Moor, it's the others who think everybody in Turkey is Turkish.


Nice trolling

I'm not trolling buddy.

[Marmara]

With all that said, Western Turks and Greeks still usually get each other in the top 15-20 results. The same can't be said about North Italians and Slovenians - which is crazy

The sample is not "Western Turk", it's Central Anatolian.

Western Turks are genetically European, many are more northern than Greeks, as i posted their results. Only exception is the Yörüks.

[Dick]

I'm not trolling buddy.
Give me his kit number, buddy.

[Ryujin]

With all that said, Western Turks and Greeks still usually get each other in the top 15-20 results. The same can't be said about North Italians and Slovenians - which is crazy

Put Sofoklis Schortsanitis in your avatar, he is my man. :D

[Marmara]

Give me his kit number, buddy.

I don't have his kit number, i copied his result from a thread, you should directly ask him.

[Leto]

it's the others who think everybody in Turkey is Turkish.

Wikipedia says according to the constitution of Turkey a Türk is a citizen of Turkey. I agree though that Turks are definitely a real ethnic group. However before I joined TA I thought all people who speak Turkish who are Muslim and have Turkish names are commonly accepted as Turks.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Put Sofoklis Schortsanitis in your avatar, he is my man. :D

Baby Shaq!!

[Dick]

I don't have his kit number, i copied his result from a thread, you should directly ask him.

Which thread?

[nightrider+]

With all that said, Western Turks and Greeks still usually get each other in the top 15-20 results. The same can't be said about North Italians and Slovenians - which is crazy

Usually they don't I think. And Northeast Italians would probably get Slovenes.

[Ryujin]

Wikipedia says according to the constitution of Turkey a Türk is a citizen of Turkey. I agree though that Turks are definitely a real ethnic group. However before I joined TA I thought all people who speak Turkish who are Muslim and have Turkish names are commonly accepted as Turks.

Sorry but Turkey is a secular country and many Turks are not Muslims.

You are right about the speaking Turkish though.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Turks are a real ethnic group you stupid Moor, it's the others who think everybody in Turkey is Turkish.



I'm not trolling buddy.

Real ethnic group, lol. Genetically European Turks are either Balkan serfs descents, Balkan traitors who pledged alliagence to the Ottoman Empire or native Greek descents from Anatolia but keep believing that they are related to Asia and form a Turkish ethnicity.

[Phenix]

Next poll: are Anglos and French from different race?

[catgeorge]

I feel somewhere between zero and nought association with these animals.

[Leto]

Sorry but Turkey is a secular country and many Turks are not Muslims.

You are right about the speaking Turkish though.
Open conversion to Christianity is nevertheless unacceptable even in Turkey. Muslim ethnicities usually identify with Islam at least because it's part of their cultural heritage. I know that from Tatars for example who are by the way far more secular than Turkey.

[Marmara]

Real ethnic group, lol. Genetically European Turks are either Balkan serfs descents, Balkan traitors who pledged alliagence to the Ottoman Empire or native Greek descents from Anatolia but keep believing that they are related to Asia and form a Turkish ethnicity.

You don't know shit Viriato.

Only difference between Genetically European Turks and Genetically Middle-Eastern Turks is that, former mixed with Slavs and latter mixed with Armenians + Anatolian Greeks.

All Turks have mixed heritage, there is no pure Turkic Turkish person.

[Ryujin]

Open conversion to Christianity is nevertheless unacceptable even in Turkey. Muslim ethnicities usually identify with Islam at least because it's part of their cultural heritage. I know that from Tatars for example who are by the way far more secular than Turkey.

Have you ever been to Turkey?

Also, no, some Turkish celebrities have converted to Christianity.

[Leto]

Real ethnic group, lol. Genetically European Turks are either Balkan serfs descents, Balkan traitors who pledged alliagence to the Ottoman Empire or native Greek descents from Anatolia but keep believing that they are related to Asia and form a Turkish ethnicity.
Parts of Turkey have a double digit Oghuz Turkic contribution. I used to think myself that Turks were a bunch of assimilated and Islamicized Greeks, Armenians, Arabs and Slavs before I learned about genetics and DNA testing.