Scythians and Sarmatians on Gedmatch

[Lucas]

Ancestry and demography and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615


T265461 - Be9_I05622 Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE
M362842 - Be11_I0563,Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE

M344946 - PR9_I0574, Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
M084152 - PR3_I0575 , Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE

M837055 - A17_I0576, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE
M446756 - A10_I0577, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE

M456377 - Is2 Ismailovo, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
T866391 - Ze6 Zevakino, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE


I checked in K36 them. But in every calculator their "Altaic /Siberian" vibe could detected, except first two.

https://s11.postimg.org/5cmqcccoz/scysar.jpg

https://s4.postimg.org/u05fe40m5/Bez-nazwy-2.jpg

[Dick]

They were blond cowboys that kidnapped CHG wimmiz according to eurogenes. Straight out of a Conan comic book.

[Leto]

I've checked some of them with the eye color prediction tool on GEDmatch. Some had blue and green eyes.

[Hamlet]

Very Aryan, no modern equivalent. Surprised by how little Mongoloid they have, must have barely mixed at all.

[Lavrentis]

So they were Indo-Europeans mixed with some Asian tribes? This subject is interesting but I don't know much.

[Lucas]

I've just uploaded their genomes to DNA.LAND and MyHeritage. Tomorrow I will post their results.

[gültekin]

Very Aryan, no modern equivalent. Surprised by how little Mongoloid they have, must have barely mixed at all.
They are so aryan, i can't hold my flowing tears

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 31.78
2 Steppe 14.48
3 NorthEastEuropean 12.57
4 SouthEastAsian 12.36
5 Caucasian 7.67
6 Indian 6.75
7 Amerindian 5.73
8 Arctic 5.63
9 Neolithic 2.22
10 Subsaharian 0.46
11 Australian 0.31
12 EastAfrican 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shor (Kemerovo) 5.05
2 Hakas (Khakassia) 6.2
3 Bashkir (Muradymovo) 10.65
4 Bashkir (Ufa) 11.82
5 Bashkir (Bashkortostan) 12.82
6 Kazakh (Tien_Shan) 13.92
7 Bashkir (Akyar) 14.45
8 Karakalpak (Karakalpakstan) 14.84
9 Kazakh (CentralKazakhstan) 14.98
10 Khanty (Khanty–Mansi) 15.31
11 Bashkir (Kildigulovo) 16.25
12 Altaian (Altai) 16.33
13 Kyrgyz (Murgab) 16.65
14 Ket (Krasnoyarski_Krai) 17
15 Forest_Yukaghir (Kolyma) 17.12
16 Kazakh (Kazakhstan) 17.26
17 Selkup ((Yamalo_Nenets_okrug)) 17.46
18 Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) 17.7
19 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 18.01
20 Mansi (Khanty–Mansi) 18.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.9% Shor (Kemerovo) + 10.1% Tlingit (NA) @ 2.52
2 91.5% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.5% Belarusian_West (WestBelarus) @ 3.03
3 75.6% Shor (Kemerovo) + 24.4% Bashkir (Bashkortostan) @ 3.06
4 91.4% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.6% Belarusian_East (EastBelarus) @ 3.07
5 86.3% Shor (Kemerovo) + 13.7% Lipka_Tatar (Belorus) @ 3.08
6 91.6% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.4% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 3.08
7 84.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 15.2% Mari (Mari_El) @ 3.09
8 87.5% Shor (Kemerovo) + 12.5% Tatars (Tatarstan) @ 3.09
9 90.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 9.2% Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) @ 3.09
10 91% Shor (Kemerovo) + 9% Russian (Russia) @ 3.1
11 91.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.3% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) @ 3.11
12 91.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.2% Hungarian (Budapest) @ 3.12
13 88.6% Shor (Kemerovo) + 11.4% Mishar-Tatar (Mordovia) @ 3.12
14 91.5% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.5% Russian_cossack (Kuban) @ 3.13
15 91.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.3% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 3.13
16 88.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 11.3% Kryashen (Bashkortostan) @ 3.15
17 91.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.2% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) @ 3.16
18 88.4% Shor (Kemerovo) + 11.6% Komi (Komi_Republic) @ 3.17
19 91.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.3% Pole (Poland) @ 3.17
20 92.1% Shor (Kemerovo) + 7.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 3.18

[Sacrificed Ram]

I've checked some of them with the eye color prediction tool on GEDmatch. Some had blue and green eyes.

And Corded Ware were dark eyed and haired in their genetic tests. If we credit corded ware as ancestors of indo-iranics...

[Pahli]

Apart from Eastern Scythians, the Western Sarmatians / Scythians are pretty much West Eurasian with only little mongoloid blood.

[Bosniensis]

Those are Russians.

[Babak]

And Corded Ware were dark eyed and haired in their genetic tests. If we credit corded ware as ancestors of indo-iranics...

Not corded ware, but andronovo/bmac

[Pahli]

Kit M344946

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 53.65
2 West_Asia 25
3 SW_Europe 17.02
4 Americas 2.38
5 SE_Asia 1.1
6 South_Asia 0.65
7 West_Africa 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 16.93
2 Ukrainian 17.32
3 Russian 18.45
4 Belarusian 18.63
5 Slovak 18.73
6 Moldavian 19.37
7 Polish 19.57
8 German_North 20.09
9 Slovene 20.26
10 Tatar 20.81
11 Hungarian 21.04
12 Bosnian 21.37
13 Norwegian 21.43
14 Swedish 21.78
15 Estonian 21.93
16 Croatian 22.31
17 Lithuanian 22.54
18 Latvian 22.69
19 Scottish 22.73
20 Irish 22.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% Latvian + 40.8% Chechen @ 7.28
2 59.4% Lithuanian + 40.6% Chechen @ 7.47
3 60.2% Estonian + 39.8% Chechen @ 7.98
4 63.8% Polish + 36.2% Chechen @ 8.85
5 63.6% Latvian + 36.4% Adygei @ 8.97
6 65.6% Russian + 34.4% Chechen @ 9.02
7 54.3% Finnish + 45.7% Chechen @ 9.16
8 63.8% Lithuanian + 36.2% Adygei @ 9.21
9 65.9% Latvian + 34.1% Dagestan_Azeri @ 9.29
10 66.1% Lithuanian + 33.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 9.49
11 64.8% Estonian + 35.2% Adygei @ 9.75
12 66.2% Latvian + 33.8% Ossetian @ 9.82
13 68.8% Mordovian + 31.2% Chechen @ 9.82
14 62.9% Latvian + 37.1% Tadjik @ 10
15 61.8% Latvian + 38.2% Kumyk @ 10
16 67.1% Estonian + 32.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 10.02
17 67.1% Lithuanian + 32.9% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.02
18 63.1% Lithuanian + 36.9% Tadjik @ 10.03
19 66.5% Lithuanian + 33.5% Ossetian @ 10.04
20 67% Latvian + 33% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.04

Obviously very West Eurasian in comparison to East Scythian samples. They're somehow 2/3 Baltic + 1/3 South Central Asian unlike Scythian_IA that came out as 50/50 Baltic and South Central Asian

[Babak]

Kit M344946

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 53.65
2 West_Asia 25
3 SW_Europe 17.02
4 Americas 2.38
5 SE_Asia 1.1
6 South_Asia 0.65
7 West_Africa 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 16.93
2 Ukrainian 17.32
3 Russian 18.45
4 Belarusian 18.63
5 Slovak 18.73
6 Moldavian 19.37
7 Polish 19.57
8 German_North 20.09
9 Slovene 20.26
10 Tatar 20.81
11 Hungarian 21.04
12 Bosnian 21.37
13 Norwegian 21.43
14 Swedish 21.78
15 Estonian 21.93
16 Croatian 22.31
17 Lithuanian 22.54
18 Latvian 22.69
19 Scottish 22.73
20 Irish 22.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% Latvian + 40.8% Chechen @ 7.28
2 59.4% Lithuanian + 40.6% Chechen @ 7.47
3 60.2% Estonian + 39.8% Chechen @ 7.98
4 63.8% Polish + 36.2% Chechen @ 8.85
5 63.6% Latvian + 36.4% Adygei @ 8.97
6 65.6% Russian + 34.4% Chechen @ 9.02
7 54.3% Finnish + 45.7% Chechen @ 9.16
8 63.8% Lithuanian + 36.2% Adygei @ 9.21
9 65.9% Latvian + 34.1% Dagestan_Azeri @ 9.29
10 66.1% Lithuanian + 33.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 9.49
11 64.8% Estonian + 35.2% Adygei @ 9.75
12 66.2% Latvian + 33.8% Ossetian @ 9.82
13 68.8% Mordovian + 31.2% Chechen @ 9.82
14 62.9% Latvian + 37.1% Tadjik @ 10
15 61.8% Latvian + 38.2% Kumyk @ 10
16 67.1% Estonian + 32.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 10.02
17 67.1% Lithuanian + 32.9% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.02
18 63.1% Lithuanian + 36.9% Tadjik @ 10.03
19 66.5% Lithuanian + 33.5% Ossetian @ 10.04
20 67% Latvian + 33% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.04

Obviously very West Eurasian in comparison to East Scythian samples. They're somehow 2/3 Baltic + 1/3 South Central Asian unlike Scythian_IA that came out as 50/50 Baltic and South Central Asian

Don't matter. They were still turks breh. Fake results

[Pahli]

Don't matter. They were still turks breh. Fake results

:laugh:

[gültekin]

Don't matter. They were still turks breh. Fake results
this sarmatian looks wery iranic, almost like an ahmedinejad donkeyrider with elegant forsi pijama.

[Norka]

Nigga those are my results.

[Pahli]

Nigga those are my results.

Inb4 you have the looks of an ancient Sarmatian :laugh:

[Kamal900]

this sarmatian looks wery iranic, almost like an ahmedinejad donkeyrider with elegant forsi pijama.

The perfect description of an Anatolian Turk. Interesting. Sorry to destroy your dreams, horaldo, but they were Iranic, and the reason why some cluster with the central Asiatic Turkic peoples is because they are a mix between ancient Iranic peoples and Turkic peoples that migrated out of Mongolia in the early middle ages who were already mixed with the Indo-European tribes back in ancient times.

[Sacrificed Ram]

Not corded ware, but andronovo/bmac

Coded Ware and Sintashta were twins:


Allentoft et al. (2015) found close autosomal genetic relationship between peoples of Corded Ware culture and Sintashta culture, which "suggests similar genetic sources of the two," and may imply that "the Sintashta derives directly from an eastward migration of Corded Ware peoples." Sintashta individuals and Corded Ware individuals both had a relatively higher ancestry proportion derived from the early farmers of Central Europe, and both differed markedly in such ancestry from the population of the Yamnaya Culture and most individuals of the Poltavka Culture that preceded Sintashta in the same geographic region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture#Predecessors:_Poltavka_culture.2 C_Abashevo_culture.2C_Corded_Ware_culture

[gültekin]

The perfect description of an Anatolian Turk. Interesting. Sorry to destroy your dreams, horaldo, but they were Iranic, and the reason why some cluster with the central Asiatic Turkic peoples is because they are a mix between ancient Iranic peoples and Turkic peoples that migrated out of Mongolia in the early middle ages who were already mixed with the Indo-European tribes back in ancient times.
o arab , they were just bedoin camel herders.

[Babak]

this sarmatian looks wery iranic, almost like an ahmedinejad donkeyrider with elegant forsi pijama.

Gludblufluzolglu. your my basterd son :P

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/68/68292e5e63f47bbd418ca6d7200bf0279298dc1cad1b8be8e7 e250906615d802.jpg

[Kamal900]

o arab , they were just bedoin camel herders.

Bedouins are culturally more similar to the nomadic peoples of central Asia than an Anatolian Turk who knows nothing on surviving in an open wilderness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GGaIoAgtyE

[Kamal900]

Gludblufluzolglu. your my basterd son :P

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/68/68292e5e63f47bbd418ca6d7200bf0279298dc1cad1b8be8e7 e250906615d802.jpg

Perfectly sums up on the fact that Persians were the ones who civilized(or tried to civilize) the Turks by introducing civilization to them.

[gültekin]

Gludblufluzolglu. your my basterd son :P

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/68/68292e5e63f47bbd418ca6d7200bf0279298dc1cad1b8be8e7 e250906615d802.jpg
so equal to ahmedinajad, , from baltic
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5949871/2/#post3094071
#PopulationPercent
1 East_Med 27.32
2 West_Asian 20.9
3 Red_Sea 15.54
4 South_Asian 12.6
5 Northeast_African 7.24
6 Sub-Saharan 5.29
7 Eastern_Euro 4.18
8 West_Med 2.29
9 Baltic 1.68
10 North_Sea 1.09
11 Atlantic 0.87
12 Siberian 0.84
13 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Iranian 16.08
2 Syrian 16.69
3 Bedouin 17.34
4 Jordanian 17.59
5 Azeri 17.78
6 Lebanese_Muslim 18.69
7 Turkish 19.05
8 Kurdish 19.23
9 Iranian_Jewish 19.42
10 Palestinian 20.39
11 Assyrian 20.74
12 Turkmen 20.83
13 Kurdish_Jewish 20.99
14 Georgian_Jewish 21.38
15 Egyptian 21.71
16 Samaritan 23.31
17 Ashkenazi 23.37
18 Armenian 23.39
19 Tunisian_Jewish 23.46
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8%Bedouin + 40.2%Makrani @ 5.89
2 63.2%Bedouin + 36.8%Brahui @ 6.03
3 57.3%Egyptian + 42.7%Brahui @ 6.13
4 53.8%Egyptian + 46.2%Makrani @ 6.14
5 69.9%Bedouin + 30.1%Kalash @ 6.15
6 57.5%Egyptian + 42.5%Balochi @ 6.23
7 63.5%Bedouin + 36.5%Balochi @ 6.25
8 69.5%Bedouin + 30.5%Pathan @ 6.68
9 70.8%Bedouin + 29.2%Burusho @ 6.74
10 64.9%Bedouin + 35.1%Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.76
11 71.6%Bedouin + 28.4%Sindhi @ 7.1
12 64.6%Egyptian + 35.4%Kalash @ 7.14
13 59%Egyptian + 41%Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.22
14 72.1%Bedouin + 27.9%Punjabi_Jat @ 7.33
15 64.3%Egyptian + 35.7%Pathan @ 8.19
16 71.2%Jordanian + 28.8%Burusho @ 8.32
17 70.6%Jordanian + 29.4%Kalash @ 8.32
18 53.2%Makrani + 46.8%Saudi @ 8.43
19 65.7%Egyptian + 34.3%Burusho @ 8.51
20 70.1%Jordanian + 29.9%Pathan @ 8.52

Hello everyone, i'm Persian from Fars Province + Tehran and this is my result
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/8068483/1/#post3089820
call him dady
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyENL1_So8LAFkFj2ehCYRdU-71Qujyji7K5SteJY0LLtceRyecIF0_Kk

[Babak]

so equal to ahmedinajad, , from baltic
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5949871/2/#post3094071
#PopulationPercent
1 East_Med 27.32
2 West_Asian 20.9
3 Red_Sea 15.54
4 South_Asian 12.6
5 Northeast_African 7.24
6 Sub-Saharan 5.29
7 Eastern_Euro 4.18
8 West_Med 2.29
9 Baltic 1.68
10 North_Sea 1.09
11 Atlantic 0.87
12 Siberian 0.84
13 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Iranian 16.08
2 Syrian 16.69
3 Bedouin 17.34
4 Jordanian 17.59
5 Azeri 17.78
6 Lebanese_Muslim 18.69
7 Turkish 19.05
8 Kurdish 19.23
9 Iranian_Jewish 19.42
10 Palestinian 20.39
11 Assyrian 20.74
12 Turkmen 20.83
13 Kurdish_Jewish 20.99
14 Georgian_Jewish 21.38
15 Egyptian 21.71
16 Samaritan 23.31
17 Ashkenazi 23.37
18 Armenian 23.39
19 Tunisian_Jewish 23.46
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8%Bedouin + 40.2%Makrani @ 5.89
2 63.2%Bedouin + 36.8%Brahui @ 6.03
3 57.3%Egyptian + 42.7%Brahui @ 6.13
4 53.8%Egyptian + 46.2%Makrani @ 6.14
5 69.9%Bedouin + 30.1%Kalash @ 6.15
6 57.5%Egyptian + 42.5%Balochi @ 6.23
7 63.5%Bedouin + 36.5%Balochi @ 6.25
8 69.5%Bedouin + 30.5%Pathan @ 6.68
9 70.8%Bedouin + 29.2%Burusho @ 6.74
10 64.9%Bedouin + 35.1%Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.76
11 71.6%Bedouin + 28.4%Sindhi @ 7.1
12 64.6%Egyptian + 35.4%Kalash @ 7.14
13 59%Egyptian + 41%Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.22
14 72.1%Bedouin + 27.9%Punjabi_Jat @ 7.33
15 64.3%Egyptian + 35.7%Pathan @ 8.19
16 71.2%Jordanian + 28.8%Burusho @ 8.32
17 70.6%Jordanian + 29.4%Kalash @ 8.32
18 53.2%Makrani + 46.8%Saudi @ 8.43
19 65.7%Egyptian + 34.3%Burusho @ 8.51
20 70.1%Jordanian + 29.9%Pathan @ 8.52

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/8068483/1/#post3089820[/QUOTE]

Hes much more baltic than Anatoloided-Mongo-Iranic-Druze monkey mutts

[Pahli]

so equal to ahmedinajad, , from baltic
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5949871/2/#post3094071


Retard alert, he is mixed South Iranian and not very typical for the average Iranian :rolleyes:

Here are mine, and they look nothing like that you old autistic idiot:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.13
2 East_Med 31.38
3 South_Asian 9.88
4 Eastern_Euro 6.82
5 Red_Sea 4.89
6 North_Sea 4.46
7 West_Med 3.33
8 Atlantic 2.04
9 Northeast_African 0.55
10 Sub-Saharan 0.34
11 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 3.85
2 Iranian 4.83
3 Azeri 6.81
4 Armenian 9.36
5 Georgian_Jewish 9.9
6 Turkish 11.39
7 Assyrian 12.18
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.97
9 Kurdish_Jewish 16.08
10 Turkmen 16.72
11 Kumyk 16.73
12 Lebanese_Muslim 18.62
13 Syrian 19.95
14 Georgian 20.04
15 Lezgin 20.38
16 Adygei 20.88
17 Makrani 21.77
18 Kabardin 22.41
19 Tabassaran 22.44
20 Ossetian 22.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.9% Kurdish + 8.1% Tabassaran @ 3.31
2 92.6% Kurdish + 7.4% Lezgin @ 3.5
3 95.8% Kurdish + 4.2% Kalash @ 3.52
4 94% Kurdish + 6% Balochi @ 3.52
5 94.1% Kurdish + 5.9% Brahui @ 3.52
6 94.5% Kurdish + 5.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.53
7 93.4% Kurdish + 6.6% Makrani @ 3.54
8 96.6% Kurdish + 3.4% Pathan @ 3.63
9 97% Kurdish + 3% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.63
10 95.1% Kurdish + 4.9% Chechen @ 3.65
11 97.1% Kurdish + 2.9% Sindhi @ 3.65
12 97% Kurdish + 3% Burusho @ 3.66
13 94.9% Kurdish + 5.1% Ossetian @ 3.66
14 94.8% Kurdish + 5.2% Georgian @ 3.69
15 95.4% Kurdish + 4.6% Abhkasian @ 3.69
16 93.9% Kurdish + 6.1% Kumyk @ 3.7
17 98.1% Kurdish + 1.9% Gujarati @ 3.71
18 96.3% Kurdish + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.73
19 72.8% Georgian_Jewish + 27.2% Balochi @ 3.73
20 96.4% Kurdish + 3.6% Tadjik @ 3.73

[Babak]

Retard alert, he is mixed South Iranian and not very typical for the average Iranian :rolleyes:

Here are mine, and they look nothing like that you old autistic idiot:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.13
2 East_Med 31.38
3 South_Asian 9.88
4 Eastern_Euro 6.82
5 Red_Sea 4.89
6 North_Sea 4.46
7 West_Med 3.33
8 Atlantic 2.04
9 Northeast_African 0.55
10 Sub-Saharan 0.34
11 Amerindian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurdish 3.85
2 Iranian 4.83
3 Azeri 6.81
4 Armenian 9.36
5 Georgian_Jewish 9.9
6 Turkish 11.39
7 Assyrian 12.18
8 Iranian_Jewish 14.97
9 Kurdish_Jewish 16.08
10 Turkmen 16.72
11 Kumyk 16.73
12 Lebanese_Muslim 18.62
13 Syrian 19.95
14 Georgian 20.04
15 Lezgin 20.38
16 Adygei 20.88
17 Makrani 21.77
18 Kabardin 22.41
19 Tabassaran 22.44
20 Ossetian 22.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91.9% Kurdish + 8.1% Tabassaran @ 3.31
2 92.6% Kurdish + 7.4% Lezgin @ 3.5
3 95.8% Kurdish + 4.2% Kalash @ 3.52
4 94% Kurdish + 6% Balochi @ 3.52
5 94.1% Kurdish + 5.9% Brahui @ 3.52
6 94.5% Kurdish + 5.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.53
7 93.4% Kurdish + 6.6% Makrani @ 3.54
8 96.6% Kurdish + 3.4% Pathan @ 3.63
9 97% Kurdish + 3% Punjabi_Jat @ 3.63
10 95.1% Kurdish + 4.9% Chechen @ 3.65
11 97.1% Kurdish + 2.9% Sindhi @ 3.65
12 97% Kurdish + 3% Burusho @ 3.66
13 94.9% Kurdish + 5.1% Ossetian @ 3.66
14 94.8% Kurdish + 5.2% Georgian @ 3.69
15 95.4% Kurdish + 4.6% Abhkasian @ 3.69
16 93.9% Kurdish + 6.1% Kumyk @ 3.7
17 98.1% Kurdish + 1.9% Gujarati @ 3.71
18 96.3% Kurdish + 3.7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 3.73
19 72.8% Georgian_Jewish + 27.2% Balochi @ 3.73
20 96.4% Kurdish + 3.6% Tadjik @ 3.73


Heres north torko from black sea coast.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian @ 4.894849
2 Armenian_WGA @ 6.294798
3 Georgian_Jew @ 7.879126
4 Georgian_Laz @ 8.310573
5 Adjara @ 9.643275
6 Georgian_Megrels @ 9.98483
7 Georgian @ 10.380404
8 Georgians @ 10.733221
9 Armenian_Vardnis @ 10.832374
10 Georgian_WGA @ 11.439353
11 Georgian_Kakheti @ 11.505963
12 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan @ 11.536763
13 Georgian_Svan @ 11.725936
14 Georgian_Abkhazia @ 11.728106
15 Adjar @ 11.791737
16 Abhkasians @ 11.887722
17 Abkhasian @ 11.961705
18 Abkhazian_Gudauta @ 12.075428
19 Abkhazian @ 12.779156
20 Iran_Jew @ 13.153165
500 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 4.842868
2 Armenian+Armenian @ 4.894849
3 Armenian+Armenian_WGA @ 5.449006
4 Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WGA @ 5.682297
5 Druze+Georgian_WGA @ 5.79629
6 Armenian+Georgian_WGA @ 5.892302
7 Georgian_WGA+Iran_Jew @ 5.949703
8 Armenian+Georgian_Jew @ 6.112821
9 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan+Georgian_WGA @ 6.224705
10 Abkhasian+Iraqi_Jew @ 6.281308
11 Armenian_WGA+Armenian_WGA @ 6.294798
12 Armenian_Vardnis+Georgian_WGA @ 6.425514
13 Armenian+Georgian_Megrels @ 6.463973
14 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA @ 6.481545
15 Armenian+Georgian_Laz @ 6.510812
16 Georgian_Jew+Georgian_Megrels @ 6.576373
17 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_Jew @ 6.690639
18 Abkhasian+Georgian_Jew @ 6.731392
19 Abkhasian+Armenian @ 6.825806
20 Adjara+Armenian @ 6.870705
125250 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_WGA @ 4.32052
2 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_Jew +25% Georgian_WGA @ 4.471867
3 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_WGA +25% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.600482
4 50% Armenian +25% Armenian_WGA +25% Georgian_WGA @ 4.625758
5 50% Georgian_WGA +25% Armenian +25% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.723406
6 50% Georgian_WGA +25% Iraqi_Jew +25% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.842868
7 50% Georgian_Jew +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_WGA @ 4.914779
8 50% Georgian_WGA +25% Armenian +25% Druze @ 4.943813
9 50% Georgian_WGA +25% Georgian_Jew +25% Iraqi_Jew @ 4.979013
10 50% Armenian_WGA +25% Armenian +25% Georgian_WGA @ 5.017824
11 50% Armenian +25% Druze +25% Georgian_WGA @ 5.026886
12 50% Georgian_WGA +25% Druze +25% Iraqi_Jew @ 5.044487
13 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_WGA +25% Iran_Jew @ 5.054598
14 50% Georgian_WGA +25% Armenian_WGA +25% Iraqi_Jew @ 5.071205
15 50% Armenian +25% Abkhasian +25% Armenian @ 5.103259
16 50% Armenian +25% Armenian +25% Armenian_WGA @ 5.128403
17 50% Armenian +25% Armenian_Vardnis +25% Georgian_WGA @ 5.147739
18 50% Georgian_WGA +25% Druze +25% Georgian_Jew @ 5.148746
19 50% Armenian +25% Georgian_Laz +25% Georgian_WGA @ 5.150164
20 50% Armenian +25% Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan +25% Georgian_WGA @ 5.175866
22454130 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian+Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_WGA @ 4.32052
2 Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WGA @ 4.471867
3 Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 4.600482
4 Armenian+Armenian+Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA @ 4.625758
5 Armenian+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 4.723406
6 Armenian+Armenian_WGA+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WGA @ 4.810907
7 Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew+Iraqi_Jew @ 4.842868
8 Armenian+Armenian+Armenian+Armenian @ 4.894849
9 Armenian+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WGA @ 4.914779
10 Armenian+Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 4.917441
11 Armenian+Druze+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA @ 4.943813
12 Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 4.979013
13 Armenian+Armenian_WGA+Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA @ 5.017824
14 Armenian+Armenian+Druze+Georgian_WGA @ 5.026886
15 Druze+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.044487
16 Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_WGA+Iran_Jew @ 5.054598
17 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.071205
18 Abkhasian+Armenian+Armenian+Armenian @ 5.103259
19 Armenian+Armenian+Armenian+Armenian_WGA @ 5.128403
20 Armenian+Armenian+Armenian_Vardnis+Georgian_WGA @ 5.147739
21 Druze+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA @ 5.148746
22 Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Georgian_WGA @ 5.150164
23 Armenian+Armenian+Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan+Georgia n_WGA @ 5.175866
24 Armenian+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_Laz+Georgian_WGA @ 5.214382
25 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA +Iraqi_Jew @ 5.219102
26 Armenian+Georgian_Megrels+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.226702
27 Armenian_WGA+Armenian_WGA+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WG A @ 5.22898
28 Armenian+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.25394
29 Armenian_WGA+Druze+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA @ 5.256669
30 Abkhasian+Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_Jew @ 5.259433
31 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_Jew+Georgian_WG A @ 5.264862
32 Armenian+Armenian+Armenian+Georgian_Megrels @ 5.278251
33 Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iran_Jew+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.29509
34 Armenian+Georgian_Laz+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.297359
35 Armenian+Armenian_WGA+Druze+Georgian_WGA @ 5.298216
36 Armenian_WGA+Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.314902
37 Abkhasian+Armenian+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 5.320156
38 Armenian+Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iran_Jew @ 5.327888
39 Armenian_Vardnis+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_J ew @ 5.334159
40 Druze+Georgian_WGA+Georgian_WGA+Iran_Jew @ 5.346766
122704388 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.31652

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Armenian_WGA @ 4.142459
2 Georgian_Abkhazia @ 4.404652
3 Georgian_Kakheti @ 4.475449
4 Armenian @ 4.534451
5 Georgian_Laz @ 4.846057
6 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan @ 4.96541
7 Georgian_Jew @ 5.105962
8 Georgian @ 5.127813
9 Assyrian_WGA @ 5.2244
10 Armenian_Vardnis @ 5.277564
11 Armenian_Erzrum @ 5.287317
12 Armenian_Yerevan @ 5.288186
13 Adjara @ 5.316429
14 Assyrians @ 5.413432
15 Armenian_Lebanon @ 5.43114
16 Adjar @ 5.49552
17 Georgians @ 5.517613
18 Georgian_Svan @ 5.545077
19 Armenians @ 5.5614
20 Assyrian_Turkey @ 5.563483
500 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Armenian_WGA+Armenian_WGA @ 4.142459
2 Armenian+Armenian_WGA @ 4.358871
3 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_Abkhazia @ 4.365379
4 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_Kakheti @ 4.381682
5 Georgian_Abkhazia+Georgian_Abkhazia @ 4.404652
6 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_WGA @ 4.445008
7 Georgian_Kakheti+Georgian_Kakheti @ 4.475449
8 Armenian_WGA+Georgian_Laz @ 4.520116
9 Armenian+Armenian @ 4.534451
10 Armenian+Georgian_Kakheti @ 4.567436
11 Armenian+Georgian_Abkhazia @ 4.571897
12 Georgian_WGA+Iraqi_Jew @ 4.620708
13 Armenian+Georgian_WGA @ 4.655164
14 Armenian_Vanatur_Hrazdan+Armenian_WGA @ 4.671709
15 Armenian_WGA+Georgian @ 4.680143
16 Georgian_Abkhazia+Georgian_Kakheti @ 4.688182
17 Armenian+Georgian_Laz @ 4.702346
18 Georgian_Abkhazia+Georgian_WGA @ 4.716344
19 Armenian_WGA+Geor

[gültekin]

Bedouins are culturally more similar to the nomadic peoples of central Asia than an Anatolian Turk who knows nothing on surviving in an open wilderness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GGaIoAgtyE
don't make me laugh you fat moron and take your daily camel pee, eh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsPxEQKJ1b8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OorJNv6ImUU

[Hadouken]

Retard alert, he is mixed South Iranian and not very typical for the average Iranian :rolleyes:

Here are mine, and they look nothing like that you old autistic idiot:



you idiot you are Iranian Kurd not Persian

either way that persian guys results are not typical I think but then again in such a big country there for sure will be many other persians like him especially in the south

[gültekin]

Retard alert, he is mixed South Iranian and not very typical for the average Iranian :rolleyes:

Here are mine, and they look nothing like that you old autistic idiot:

xar xar xar so persian results dont count for iran he ? ok then i'm agree with that kurds replacing ahmedinejadoid forsis with 63.2%Bedouin + 36.8%Brahui @ sss
you got my fully support

[Hadouken]

lol xD

[Pahli]

you idiot you are Iranian Kurd not Persian

either way that persian guys results are not typical I think but then again in such a big country there for sure will be many other persians like him especially in the south

I know that lol, but we got to have something to compare with :laugh:


xar xar xar so persian results dont count for iran he ? ok then i'm agree with that kurds replacing ahmedinejadoid forsis with 63.2%Bedouin + 36.8%Brahui @ sss
you got my fully support

I'll run for the next election :lol:

No, but you're making it sound like he is some typical Persian person lmao

[Babak]

so equal to ahmedinajad, , from baltic
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5949871/2/#post3094071
#PopulationPercent
1 East_Med 27.32
2 West_Asian 20.9
3 Red_Sea 15.54
4 South_Asian 12.6
5 Northeast_African 7.24
6 Sub-Saharan 5.29
7 Eastern_Euro 4.18
8 West_Med 2.29
9 Baltic 1.68
10 North_Sea 1.09
11 Atlantic 0.87
12 Siberian 0.84
13 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Iranian 16.08
2 Syrian 16.69
3 Bedouin 17.34
4 Jordanian 17.59
5 Azeri 17.78
6 Lebanese_Muslim 18.69
7 Turkish 19.05
8 Kurdish 19.23
9 Iranian_Jewish 19.42
10 Palestinian 20.39
11 Assyrian 20.74
12 Turkmen 20.83
13 Kurdish_Jewish 20.99
14 Georgian_Jewish 21.38
15 Egyptian 21.71
16 Samaritan 23.31
17 Ashkenazi 23.37
18 Armenian 23.39
19 Tunisian_Jewish 23.46
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8%Bedouin + 40.2%Makrani @ 5.89
2 63.2%Bedouin + 36.8%Brahui @ 6.03
3 57.3%Egyptian + 42.7%Brahui @ 6.13
4 53.8%Egyptian + 46.2%Makrani @ 6.14
5 69.9%Bedouin + 30.1%Kalash @ 6.15
6 57.5%Egyptian + 42.5%Balochi @ 6.23
7 63.5%Bedouin + 36.5%Balochi @ 6.25
8 69.5%Bedouin + 30.5%Pathan @ 6.68
9 70.8%Bedouin + 29.2%Burusho @ 6.74
10 64.9%Bedouin + 35.1%Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.76
11 71.6%Bedouin + 28.4%Sindhi @ 7.1
12 64.6%Egyptian + 35.4%Kalash @ 7.14
13 59%Egyptian + 41%Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.22
14 72.1%Bedouin + 27.9%Punjabi_Jat @ 7.33
15 64.3%Egyptian + 35.7%Pathan @ 8.19
16 71.2%Jordanian + 28.8%Burusho @ 8.32
17 70.6%Jordanian + 29.4%Kalash @ 8.32
18 53.2%Makrani + 46.8%Saudi @ 8.43
19 65.7%Egyptian + 34.3%Burusho @ 8.51
20 70.1%Jordanian + 29.9%Pathan @ 8.52

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/8068483/1/#post3089820
call him dady
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyENL1_So8LAFkFj2ehCYRdU-71Qujyji7K5SteJY0LLtceRyecIF0_Kk

Cool, a south-coast persian :cool:

Obviously not a typical Iranian result tho

[gültekin]

Cool, a south-coast persian :cool:
Fars = Persian, or is this changed ? o sorry you can't pronounce the letter A, so , write like that for better understanding for you:
Foorss=Poorsioon

[Babak]

Fars = Persian, or is this changed ? o sorry you can't pronounce the letter A, so , write like that for better understanding for you:
Foorss=Poorsioon

What?

[Kamal900]

Fars = Persian, or is this changed ? o sorry you can't pronounce the letter A, so , write like that for better understanding for you:
Foorss=Poorsioon

Fars is an Arabized term of Pars which was an ancient region where the Persians originated from. Persia is just a Greekified term of Pars or Parsu.

[gültekin]

What?
mokomoko gook wrook, ??

[Babak]

mokomoko gook wrook, ??

gluglbueguzblu?

[gültekin]

Fars is an Arabized term of Pars which was an ancient region where the Persians originated from. Persia is just a Greekified term of Pars or Parsu.
ok they can say this to the macedonian border patrol, maybe that guys didn't understand correctly. do not for get about aryan shit and such things. could be help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRaJNNjkNw

[Babak]

ok they can say this to the macedonian border patrol, maybe that guys didn't understand correctly. do not for get about aryan shit and such things. could be help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRaJNNjkNw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQqL7FeBB9U

[Kamal900]

ok they can say this to the macedonian border patrol, maybe that guys didn't understand corectly. do not for get about aryan shit and such things. could be help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrRaJNNjkNw

Being Aryan has nothing to do with being White or European, you dumb sharmo6a. Persians are an Iranic people that entered history around the same time as the Arabs and other Iranic peoples of Iran in the 9th century BC. Genetically speaking, they cluster with other west Asiatics including Azeris and Turks.

[gültekin]

Being Aryan has nothing to do with being White or European, you dumb sharmo6a. Persians are an Iranic people that entered history around the same time as the Arabs and other Iranic peoples of Iran in the 9th century BC. Genetically speaking, they cluster with other west Asiatics including Azeris and Turks.
no they don't,outdated bs
btw persians have significant SSA while turks have not. persians can modelled as araps + west indians
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5949871/2/#post3094071
#PopulationPercent
1 East_Med 27.32
2 West_Asian 20.9
3 Red_Sea 15.54
4 South_Asian 12.6
5 Northeast_African 7.24
6 Sub-Saharan 5.29
7 Eastern_Euro 4.18
8 West_Med 2.29
9 Baltic 1.68
10 North_Sea 1.09
11 Atlantic 0.87
12 Siberian 0.84
13 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Iranian 16.08
2 Syrian 16.69
3 Bedouin 17.34
4 Jordanian 17.59
5 Azeri 17.78
6 Lebanese_Muslim 18.69
7 Turkish 19.05
8 Kurdish 19.23
9 Iranian_Jewish 19.42
10 Palestinian 20.39
11 Assyrian 20.74
12 Turkmen 20.83
13 Kurdish_Jewish 20.99
14 Georgian_Jewish 21.38
15 Egyptian 21.71
16 Samaritan 23.31
17 Ashkenazi 23.37
18 Armenian 23.39
19 Tunisian_Jewish 23.46
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8%Bedouin + 40.2%Makrani @ 5.89
2 63.2%Bedouin + 36.8%Brahui @ 6.03
3 57.3%Egyptian + 42.7%Brahui @ 6.13
4 53.8%Egyptian + 46.2%Makrani @ 6.14
5 69.9%Bedouin + 30.1%Kalash @ 6.15
6 57.5%Egyptian + 42.5%Balochi @ 6.23
7 63.5%Bedouin + 36.5%Balochi @ 6.25
8 69.5%Bedouin + 30.5%Pathan @ 6.68
9 70.8%Bedouin + 29.2%Burusho @ 6.74
10 64.9%Bedouin + 35.1%Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.76
11 71.6%Bedouin + 28.4%Sindhi @ 7.1
12 64.6%Egyptian + 35.4%Kalash @ 7.14
13 59%Egyptian + 41%Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.22
14 72.1%Bedouin + 27.9%Punjabi_Jat @ 7.33
15 64.3%Egyptian + 35.7%Pathan @ 8.19
16 71.2%Jordanian + 28.8%Burusho @ 8.32
17 70.6%Jordanian + 29.4%Kalash @ 8.32
18 53.2%Makrani + 46.8%Saudi @ 8.43
19 65.7%Egyptian + 34.3%Burusho @ 8.51
20 70.1%Jordanian + 29.9%Pathan @ 8.52

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/8068483/1/#post3089820[/QUOTE]

[gültekin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQqL7FeBB9U
peh
The Rape of Cologne ?
http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowImage.ashx?ID=325009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
On 8 January, the Federal Ministry of the Interior acknowledged that two-thirds of the suspects checked by the Federal Police—who are responsible for the railways and railway stations in Germany—in Cologne were asylum seekers. The same report stated that 31 suspects were identified by name, including 18 asylum seekers. In total, the suspects were nine Algerians, eight Moroccans, four Syrians, five Iranians, two Germans, an Iraqi, a Serb, and an American.[41] Another report on the same day stated that stolen mobile phones were located by the police within or in the vicinity of refugees' residences.[69]

On 29 January, it was reported that a further suspect, a man from Algeria, was arrested due to property offence and resistance against enforcement officers. Criminal investigations in Cologne were conducted against 44 people, North Africans by majority, ten of whom were in investigative custody as of 29 January.[120] The number of identified suspects in Cologne was 73 by 15 February, with 15 of them being in investigative custody.[8][40] A large majority of the suspects were from Algeria and Morocco. 30 Moroccans, 27 Algerians, and three Tunisians were among the suspects, along with a Libyan, an Iranian, four Iraqis, a Montenegrin, three Syrians

On 5 February, a 33-year-old man from Iran was reported to have been arrested in a refugee reception center in Hamburg and taken into investigative custody under suspicion of assaulting the two women in Hamburg.[127][128] On 4 February, Hamburg police released photos of two further suspects. The nationwide TV series Aktenzeichen XY … ungelöst was used for the manhunt for the Hamburg perpetrators.[19]

[Babak]

Persian from Southwest iran


# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 43.23
2 East_Med 29.72
3 South_Asian 9.45
4 Red_Sea 5.57
5 Baltic 4.63
6 West_Med 4.07
7 East_Asian 1.08

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Kurdish @ 5.487945
2 Iranian @ 6.293612
3 Azeri @ 11.157890
4 Armenian @ 13.547908
5 Georgian_Jewish @ 14.000093
6 Georgian @ 16.031033
7 Abhkasian @ 16.698067
8 Turkish @ 17.579493
9 Kumyk @ 17.607231
10 Assyrian @ 17.712328
11 Adygei @ 18.783119
12 Iranian_Jewish @ 20.023699
13 Turkmen @ 20.505659
14 Kurdish_Jewish @ 20.650625
15 Ossetian @ 21.176067
16 Balkar @ 21.279524
17 North_Ossetian @ 21.450315
18 Kabardin @ 22.593058
19 Lezgin @ 22.946299
20 Chechen @ 23.588169

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Iranian +50% Kurdish @ 5.393941

[Kamal900]

no they don't,outdated bs
btw persians have significant SSA while turks have not. persians can modelled as araps + west indians
http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5949871/2/#post3094071
#PopulationPercent
1 East_Med 27.32
2 West_Asian 20.9
3 Red_Sea 15.54
4 South_Asian 12.6
5 Northeast_African 7.24
6 Sub-Saharan 5.29
7 Eastern_Euro 4.18
8 West_Med 2.29
9 Baltic 1.68
10 North_Sea 1.09
11 Atlantic 0.87
12 Siberian 0.84
13 Oceanian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1 Iranian 16.08
2 Syrian 16.69
3 Bedouin 17.34
4 Jordanian 17.59
5 Azeri 17.78
6 Lebanese_Muslim 18.69
7 Turkish 19.05
8 Kurdish 19.23
9 Iranian_Jewish 19.42
10 Palestinian 20.39
11 Assyrian 20.74
12 Turkmen 20.83
13 Kurdish_Jewish 20.99
14 Georgian_Jewish 21.38
15 Egyptian 21.71
16 Samaritan 23.31
17 Ashkenazi 23.37
18 Armenian 23.39
19 Tunisian_Jewish 23.46
20 Libyan_Jewish 23.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.8%Bedouin + 40.2%Makrani @ 5.89
2 63.2%Bedouin + 36.8%Brahui @ 6.03
3 57.3%Egyptian + 42.7%Brahui @ 6.13
4 53.8%Egyptian + 46.2%Makrani @ 6.14
5 69.9%Bedouin + 30.1%Kalash @ 6.15
6 57.5%Egyptian + 42.5%Balochi @ 6.23
7 63.5%Bedouin + 36.5%Balochi @ 6.25
8 69.5%Bedouin + 30.5%Pathan @ 6.68
9 70.8%Bedouin + 29.2%Burusho @ 6.74
10 64.9%Bedouin + 35.1%Afghan_Pashtun @ 6.76
11 71.6%Bedouin + 28.4%Sindhi @ 7.1
12 64.6%Egyptian + 35.4%Kalash @ 7.14
13 59%Egyptian + 41%Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.22
14 72.1%Bedouin + 27.9%Punjabi_Jat @ 7.33
15 64.3%Egyptian + 35.7%Pathan @ 8.19
16 71.2%Jordanian + 28.8%Burusho @ 8.32
17 70.6%Jordanian + 29.4%Kalash @ 8.32
18 53.2%Makrani + 46.8%Saudi @ 8.43
19 65.7%Egyptian + 34.3%Burusho @ 8.51
20 70.1%Jordanian + 29.9%Pathan @ 8.52

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/8068483/1/#post3089820[/QUOTE]

The genetic results is from Southern Iran, and a lot of Arabs are living in that region. Outdated bs? Lol, Nazis were the ones who corrupted the word Aryan as someone who is Nordic, but the reality is that Iranians and even Indians used to call themselves Aryans for thousands of years. You should ask All-In and Towlie to show their genetic results to you, and they do cluster with Turks and Azeris.

[zarzian]

you idiot you are Iranian Kurd not Persian

either way that persian guys results are not typical I think but then again in such a big country there for sure will be many other persians like him especially in the south
Why do u make a big deal out of Pahli identifying with persians? It is not linguistic unity only but genetic as well, Persians and Kurds are pretty much interchangeable in calculators, myself Ialways score Iranian or Kurd, with very low distances. And the sample that gaytiken keeps spamming in last few years is actually a bandari Arab and not a Persian, his results are extremely attpical for Persians. The Bedouin and Baluch ancestry is inflated in most Southern Iranian groups.

[Babak]

One day after a shooting left five people dead at a mall north of Seattle, authorities arrested a 20-year-old suspect Saturday after an overnight manhunt that left the city on edge.

Arcan Cetin is suspected of killing four women and a man Friday night at the Cascade Mall in Burlington, Washington.
Washington state authorities said it's too early to rule out terrorism or anything else because their investigation is still in the preliminary stages.
Before the suspect's arrest, an official with the FBI had told reporters there was "no evidence at this time" of a link to terrorism.
The Cascade Mall shooting suspect has been identified as Arcan Cetin, 20, according to Washington state authorities.
The Cascade Mall shooting suspect has been identified as Arcan Cetin, 20, according to Washington state authorities.
'Kind of zombie-like'
When police confronted the suspect walking down the street near his residence in Oak Harbor, he did not try to run, he just froze and complied, said Lt. Mike Hawley of the Island County Sheriff's Office.
The suspect, who was not armed at the time of his arrest, said nothing, "kind of zombie-like," Hawley said.
Cetin immigrated from Turkey and is a legal permanent resident of the United States, authorities said. It's unclear when he moved to the US.


Turkish authorities say they have captured the man they believe gunned down 39 people at an Istanbul nightclub on New Year's Day.

Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said on January 17 that the suspect was being questioned by police and expressed hope that the interrogation would unveil "powers" behind the attack, which also left dozens of people wounded. He did not provide further details.

Istanbul Governor Vasip Sahin identified the suspect as Abdulkadir Masharipov and said he was born in Uzbekistan in 1983 and had trained in Afghanistan.

Sahin said that Masharipov had confessed to carrying out the massacre, adding that his fingerprints matched prints found at the scene of the attack.

Authorities say the lone gunman arrived in a taxi and shot two people on the street before entering the upscale Reina nightclub early on January 1 and opening fire on revelers.

Sahin described Masharipov, who he said operated under the cover name Abu Muhammed Horasani, as "a well-educated terrorist who speaks four languages."

The governor also said there were strong indications the suspect entered Turkey illegally through its eastern borders in January 2016.

He added that he had clearly carried out the nightclub massacre in the name of the Islamic State (IS) extremist group, which claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was revenge for Turkish military involvement in Syria.

Afghan Interior Ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqi said it was too early to say whether the suspect was trained in Afghanistan, but he insisted that "all terrorist networks are based outside Afghanistan's territory."

"We have always done the maximum in order to prevent terrorists from having training centers and safe havens inside of Afghanistan," Sediqi told RFE/RL’s Radio Free Afghanistan. "But unfortunately the Taliban and terrorist groups have training centers and safe havens inside Pakistan's territory."

Turkish media reported earlier that police detained the alleged attacker late on January 16 in a police raid on an apartment in Istanbul's Esenyurt district.

Police released a photo of the suspect, showing a man with a bloodstained shirt and cuts and bruises on his face.

[gültekin]

heh this rat pack is arrived , whateva, have fun with your donkeyfest, cya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqXm18TsZm0

[Hadouken]

Why do u make a big deal out of Pahli identifying with persians? It is not linguistic unity only but genetic as well, Persians and Kurds are pretty much interchangeable in calculators, myself Ialways score Iranian or Kurd, with very low distances. And the sample that gaytiken keeps spamming in last few years is actually a bandari Arab and not a Persian, his results are extremely attpical for Persians. The Bedouin and Baluch ancestry is inflated in most Southern Iranian groups.

no I dont make a deal about it you got that wrong . but he is not persian so him showing his results as an example of "but look I dont come out like that " doesnt make sense in this relation .

that guy when he is bandari arab why does he say he is persian I dont get it

and we are not interchangable in calculators . at least turkey kurds (not sure about other kurds) but we have a big "west shift" from persians on calculators

(which doesnt mean anything in relation to how I see you . I like you guys and you know that)

[Babak]

For a man in his early 40's to act like a 10 year old is unbelievable. Especially since hes been in this forums for over 3 years.

Its no wonder Persians(Includes a lot of azeris actually) that refer to anatolian torkos as donkeys.

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20258423_1131404416960951_5703471659945902036_n.jp g?oh=0a4613c1e19cf93d23116f00d5da125e&oe=5A31A099

[gültekin]

For a man in his early 40's to act like a 10 year old is unbelievable. Especially since hes been in this forums for over 3 years.

Its no wonder Persians(Includes a lot of azeris actually) that refer to anatolian torkos as donkeys.

probably becouse that bacha-bazi faggots missing the shlong of Turks which owned and ridden them for an millenium,and still dreaming about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqXm18TsZm0
good night again, son of a mutah, bobook.

[zarzian]

no I dont make a deal about it you got that wrong . but he is not persian so him showing his results as an example of "but look I dont come out like that " doesnt make sense in this relation .

that guy when he is bandari arab why does he say he is persian I dont get it

and we are not interchangable in calculators . at least turkey kurds (not sure about other kurds) but we have a big "west shift" from persians on calculators

(which doesnt mean anything in relation to how I see you . I like you guys and you know that)

Ok fair enough, but would you kindly shoe me a PCS which shows a "big Western shift" of Turkish kurds in relation to Persians? As far I have seen in 95% of PCA's, kurds have fallen in the same micro cluster.

[Sekarotuinen]

probably becouse that bacha-bazi faggots missing the shlong of Turks which owned and ridden them for an millenium,and still dreaming about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqXm18TsZm0
good night again, son of a mutah, bobook.Ok, that's really gross.

[Hadouken]

Ok fair enough, but would you kindly shoe me a PCS which shows a "big Western shift" of Turkish kurds in relation to Persians? As far I have seen in 95% of PCA's, kurds have fallen in the same micro cluster.

what is a PCS ? typo ? you mean PCA right ? or is there such a thing as PCS which I dont know about (if yes tell me what it is please)

I dont know which pca I can show you especially since the Kurdish samples are not (only) from turkey anyway . but I can show you the shifts from gedmatch that show it (the pca plots are based on that anyway)

from various calculators :

80.8% Iranian + 19.2% Greek @ 2.62
82.4% Iranian + 17.6% Albanian @ 2.64
78.6% Iranian + 21.4% Italian_South @ 3.68
60.7% Iranian_Mazandarani + 39.3% Jew_Ashkenazi @ 4.26
71.7% Iranians (Behar) + 28.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.9
72.3% Iranians (Behar) + 27.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.2
74.5% Iranians (Behar) + 25.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.3
73.3% Iranians (Behar) + 26.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.3
78.2% Iranians (Behar) + 21.8% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 2.7
71.2% Iranians (Behar) + 28.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3

and yes of course we cluster both in the west asian cluster :) but that doesnt interfere with what I say :)

[War Chef]

Yall bitchass mothafuckaz will never be this Scythian


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSrHcMlMu8

[Babak]

probably becouse that bacha-bazi faggots missing the shlong of Turks which owned and ridden them for an millenium,and still dreaming about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqXm18TsZm0
good night again, son of a mutah, bobook.

Delusional torko khar nazis dont agree with a autistic 40 year old fart because they're too busy acting like retards in the streets in germany. A place where torkos are the new nazis of germany. Torkos were the subjects of steppe iranic nomads who fucked the living shit out of whore female torko women. Thats why most of you have 15-20% North-east european-A classic steppe pillaging from superior indo-iranic nomads.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQqL7FeBB9U

[Lucas]

Ancestry and demography and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615


T265461 - Be9_I05622 Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE
M362842 - Be11_I0563,Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE

M344946 - PR9_I0574, Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
M084152 - PR3_I0575 , Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE

M837055 - A17_I0576, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE
M446756 - A10_I0577, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE

M456377 - Is2 Ismailovo, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
T866391 - Ze6 Zevakino, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE


I checked in K36 them. But in every calculator their "Altaic /Siberian" vibe could detected, except tow and third. First one is Scythian_IA from older paper.

https://s2.postimg.org/b1mkzjzh5/k36-scytosamrat.jpg

https://s4.postimg.org/u05fe40m5/Bez-nazwy-2.jpg

I uploaded them to DNA.land.

Mid-Turkic - includes: Tajik in (Pomiri) Tajikistan; Turkmen and Uzbek in Uzbekistan; Uygur in China and Hazara in Pakistan.
East-Turkic - includes: Altaian, Kalmyk, Tuvinian and Yakut in Russia.
Rest clusters are self-explanatory.

Sarmatians which were from Pokrovka, Russia and most western from uploaded kits; were also mostly Euro, with some Indo-Iranian. One is even more Western Euro than Eastern.

https://s4.postimg.org/4oabhavbh/dnaland.jpg
https://s4.postimg.org/6r2rk4y7x/dnaland.jpg

Eastern Scythian and proto-Scythian groups are mostly Turanid-like in genetic profile. I'm sure also in phenotype.

https://s3.postimg.org/xr3lv5jj7/dnaland.jpg
https://s11.postimg.org/jfcpamweb/dnaland.jpg
https://s3.postimg.org/j1z84q183/dnaland.jpg
https://s12.postimg.org/axnk5lr8d/dnalansd.jpg
https://s3.postimg.org/eh8i5p90j/dnalands.jpg
https://s2.postimg.org/gombt93c9/dnaland.jpg

MDS plot from suplementary info confirming those statements.

https://s11.postimg.org/77d9u88xf/mds.jpg





Contemporary descent from western Iron Age Scythians is mainly found among various Eurasian groups, whereas contemporary descent from eastern Iron Age Scythians is almost exclusively Turkic:
We used 10 summary statistics for our model selection procedure (within-population statistics for each contemporary population, and FST and PHS between contemporary
population and each Scythian sample group). An inspection of simulated values suggested that these were successful in approximating the observed values, regardless of We then applied this model selection procedure to 86 contemporary population samples and the main findings can be summarized as follows (Supplementary Fig. 10 and 11).

Firstly, contemporary populations likely to be directly descended from western Scythians were mainly found in geographic proximity to the archaeological sites, consisting of Indo-European, Iranian, Slavic and Caucasian groups, but also included some Uzbeks (Supplementary Fig. 10a and Supplementary Fig. 11). The populations with the highest likelihood of direct descent were either located in close proximity (e.g. Russians, Mohska), the Caucasus (e,g, Azeris, Abazinians) or in Central Asia (e.g. some Uzbeks, Tajiks) (Supplementary Fig. 10a).

Secondly and similarly, contemporary populations most likely to share a common ancestor with western Scythians were primarily found among Iranian and Caucasian groups, predominantly situated in the western part of our sampling range (Supplementary Fig. 10c and Supplementary Fig. 11). Though supported by lower model posteriors, these included Iranians, Chechens, Cirkassians and also (again) Uzbeks.

Thirdly, contemporary populations with the highest likelihood of being directly descended from eastern Scythian groups are almost exclusively Turkic language speakers (Supplementary Fig. 10b). Particularly high statistical support was documented for some Turkic speaking groups geographically located close to the archaeological sites of the eastern Scythians (e.g. Telenghits, Tubular, Tofalar), but also among Turkic speaking populations located in Central Asia (e.g. Kyrgyz, Kazakhs and Karakalpaks) (Supplementary Fig. 11). These same results were found for some Turkic groups located even further to the West, such as the Kazan Volga-Tatars. Finally, contemporary populations likely to share a common ancestor with eastern Scythians were mainly found among Turkic, Mongolian and Siberian groups located in eastern Eurasia (Supplementary Fig. 10d and Supplementary Fig. 11). In summary, these results provide further support for a multi-regional origin of the various Scythian groups from the Iron Age.

[Pahli]

Yall bitchass mothafuckaz will never be this Scythian


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSrHcMlMu8

Wut is this? "Muh lost Iranic bruder"

[Fedora]

Being a swarthy persian anatolian turk is better than being a pale ass or some weird mongloid anyway. i don't understand the discussion, anatolian turks are dark, especially central anatolians and it's a good thing. More masculine looking men :D

[Pahli]

An otherwise fine thread ruined by an autistic middle aged man, wow xD

[Stears]

Their results look like mixed non-white mongrels.

True Aryans :)))))))

[Pahli]

Their results look like mixed non-white mongrels.

True Aryans :)))))))

East Scythians are mixed, the Western ones are not :laugh:

[Stears]

East Scythians are mixed, the Western ones are not :laugh:

The results do not look European at all.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The results do not look European at all.

west scythians were not mixed people

[Böri]

So East Scythians were Altaian-like and West Scythians were Idel-Ural like people when compared to modern populations.

But we must believe they were old Iranians because Herodotus said so, Herodotus also pretended that in 480 B.C. Xerxes and Persians were 'millions, upon their attack on Athens, and 'Greek Aegean Sea Gods, sank 3/4 Persian ships prior to Salamis sea battle...

[Stears]

west scythians were not mixed people

Wrong. Here your ''west Scythians'' (from Russia, from user Mluskas post)

https://s4.postimg.org/6r2rk4y7x/dnaland.jpg
https://s4.postimg.org/4oabhavbh/dnaland.jpg

20-30% Central asia is European ?

Don't be stupid. They were like Gypsies compared to the modern European people.

[Stears]

Europeans have nothing to do with these brown Aryan mongrels.

[Kelmendasi]

East Scythians are mixed, the Western ones are not :laugh:
The Sarmatians seem to be very European

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Europeans have nothing to do with these brown Aryan mongrels.

This is not much mixed people (if you have in mind that they are steppe people and lived in medieval times)

Scythians in Europe, according to Roman describe of Scythians, this photo is created:

http://ageiron.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Ski_001.jpg

This "Scythian" can easly pass in Europe.



Europeans???? Who are Europeans? Only " I " people. or you accept also R people. But if you accept R1b, then you must accept R1a too. They are of same origin, same family of language (Indo-European) and you can't separate them. They are originally same people (just today they are biggest enemies). But in ancient times, they were close. Deal with it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Also. Sarmatians (Scythian tribe) were pure European people!

[Kelmendasi]

Wrong. Here your ''west Scythians'' (from Russia, from user Mluskas post)

[MG]https://s4.postimg.org/6r2rk4y7x/dnaland.jpg[/IMG]
[IG]https://s4.postimg.org/4oabhavbh/dnaland.jpg[/IMG]

20-30% Central asia is European ?

Don't be stupid. They were like Gypsies compared to the modern European people.
On Eurogenes K36 they seem to be very European and on other calcs they plot with east Euros

[Bosniensis]

This is not much mixed people (if you have in mind that they are steppe people and lived in medieval times)

Scythians in Europe, according to Roman describe of Scythians, this photo is created:

http://ageiron.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Ski_001.jpg

This "Scythian" can easly pass in Europe.



Europeans???? Who are Europeans? Only " I " people. or you accept also R people. But if you accept R1b, then you must accept R1a too. They are of same origin, same family of language (Indo-European) and you can't separate them. They are originally same people (just today they are biggest enemies). But in ancient times, they were close. Deal with it.

I, J, E are Europeans.

However, some R1 people settled in Europe thousands of years ago, so their autosomal DNA is European.

R1a person isn't identical to another R1a person.

Y-DNA is like a Bottle, but what's in it.. is more imporant.

[Stears]

On Eurogenes K36 they seem to be very European and on other calcs they plot with east Euros

Maybe with Russians. because Russians are heavily mixed themself.

with other Europeans ? No.

[Stears]

Also. Sarmatians (Scythian tribe) were pure European people!

The results with 30% central asia (Indian Siberian etc) is Sarmatian.

Nobody care about ancient descriptions. Their DNA was not really European.

[Stears]

If these guys are European, than the Gypsies are European too.

Because Gypsies also have signficant European autosomal DNA.

[Fedora]

So East Scythians were Altaian-like and West Scythians were Idel-Ural like people when compared to modern populations.

But we must believe they were old Iranians because Herodotus said so, Herodotus also pretended that in 480 B.C. Xerxes and Persians were 'millions, upon their attack on Athens, and 'Greek Aegean Sea Gods, sank 3/4 Persian ships prior to Salamis sea battle...

Westen SYcthians dont have asiatic admixture. More like east european with south central asian mixture

[Kelmendasi]

Maybe with Russians. because Russians are heavily mixed themself.

with other Europeans ? No.
They are really northern on the K15 plot but also eastern although within the Russian cluster. On the oracle for K15 the first reference population which comes up is "Northern Swedish" iirc

[Pahli]

If these guys are European, than the Gypsies are European too.

Because Gypsies also have signficant European autosomal DNA.

Then you're part Non-European too with 15% Caucasian and Siberian xD


Westen SYcthians dont have asiatic admixture. More like east european with south central asian mixture

They do but its not significant, around 5% in the Sarmatians and 12% for the Scythian_IA in Volga, the East Scythian samples had at least 30% East Eurasian.

[Stears]

Then you're part Non-European too with 15% Caucasian and Siberian xD



They do but its not significant, around 5% in the Sarmatians and 12% for the Scythian_IA in Volga, the East Scythian samples had at least 30% East Eurasian.

Yes, I have some non-European ''Aryan'' admixture too :( :( :(

But at least, my Y haplogroup is pure European.

[Kelmendasi]

If these guys are European, than the Gypsies are European too.

Because Gypsies also have signficant European autosomal DNA.
Sarmatian M344946 is 74% European on K36 and 26% Asian with most of it being Caucasian

Sarmatian M084152 is 74.16% European and 25.84% Asian with most of it being Caucasian and south-central Asian

[Vlatko Vukovic]

If these guys are European, than the Gypsies are European too.

Because Gypsies also have signficant European autosomal DNA.

You consider Polish people as European, correct?

Then you must start to hate them, becouse their official theory of their ancestry is that they are descedants of Sarmatians (Scythian tribe). That theory was also represented in the Polihs-Lithuanian commonwealth. Ask Polish users if you don't believe me.

So we are clear about your opinion. Poles are not Europeans.

[Stears]

You consider Polish people as European, correct?

Then you must start to hate them, becouse their official theory of their ancestry is that they are descedants of Sarmatians (Scythian tribe). That theory was also represented in the Polihs-Lithuanian commonwealth. Ask Polish users if you don't believe me.

So we are clear about your opinion. Poles are not Europeans.

It is a 19th century romantic fantasy of Polish nobility.

Hungarian nobility liked to think they are descendants of the Huns. So what ?

DNA prove it was just a fairy tale.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It is a 19th century romantic fantasy of Polish nobility.

Hungarian nobility liked to think they are descendants of the Huns. So what ?

DNA prove it was just a fairy tale.

A lot of polish members here, even from TA have in their description that their ancestry is "Sarmatian". That is a official theory in Poland, feel free to ask them about it.

You simply can't undestand that these people (who were Iranic horsemans) just mutated into Europeans and they are today part of Slavic people (specially with East and West Slavs)

See the old states of Croats and Serbs: "White Croatia" near Poland, and "White Serbia" near Ukraine. Those are a toponyms which are used by Iranic tribes. That is one more proof about Sarmatian contribution to Slavic peoples (specially Poles) who are direct descedants of them.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Also West Scythians were carriers of R1a haplogroup. Which is today mostly common for Poles. There are many proofs.

[Pahli]

Well those two Pokrovka samples are quite European since CHG is also found among Europeans, only difference is that it puts them slightly Eastward in comparison to Northern shifted Eastern Europeans.

[Root]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/15/b0/28/15b02871c7eb5ea770d35d55b05b2b71.jpg

[Stears]

Also West Scythians were carriers of R1a haplogroup. Which is today mostly common for Poles. There are many proofs.

Poles don't have asian type R1a.

In Europe it is most frequent among the Gypsyes.

[Aenar]

Also. Sarmatians (Scythian tribe) were pure European people!

Scythians and Sarmatians were described in ancient sources as people with light hair and eyes.

[Stears]

Scythians and Sarmatians were described in ancient sources as people with light hair and eyes.

By who, swarthy Greeks and Romans ?

To them even the brown hair would be considered ''light''. So it has no any value, except if you think people who were 30% central asian autosomally, looked white.

[Stears]

Ancient Schytians - Uyghur people

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8yWCfPY9IG0/UtWOjmfTWnI/AAAAAAAAc4I/-Bu2DfSPUwc/s1600/ujgur.jpg

This woman has ''light'' hair and eyes, and she would be confused for lighter pigmented Gypsy in Central Europe. This are your ancient Aryans.

[Aenar]

By who, swarthy Greeks and Romans ?

To them even the brown hair would be considered ''light''. So it has no any value, except if you think people who were 30% cental asian autosomally, looked white.

Read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

Scythians in many ancient sources were described as people with often blonde and red hair, blue/green eyes and ruddy skin.

[Aenar]

Ancient Schytians - Uyghur people

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8yWCfPY9IG0/UtWOjmfTWnI/AAAAAAAAc4I/-Bu2DfSPUwc/s1600/ujgur.jpg

This woman has ''light'' hair and eyes, and she would be confused for lighter pigmented Gypsy in Central Europe. This are your ancient Aryans.

Uyghurs are not Scythians, they are semi-mongoloids with minor Scythian influence

Majority og Uyghur y dna is caucasoid R1a-Z93 (from Scythians), but autosomally they are mostly mongoloids.

[Stears]

Read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians#Physical_appearance

Scythians in many ancient sources were described as people with often blonde and red hair, blue/green eyes and ruddy skin.

Ancient sources also describe Germanic people as predominately red-heaired, despite purest Germanic people (Frisians, Danes) have very little red pigment.

So I don't think it is very reliable.

[Aenar]

Ancient sources also describe Germanic people as predominately red-heaired, despite purest Germanic people (Frisians, Danes) have very little red pigment.

So I don't think it is very reliable.

In ancient sources red hair can have meaning golden blonde.
Golden blonde hair is quite common among Germanic peopole.

What are you think why some Ashkenazi have red hair?

[Stears]

Uyghurs are not Scythians, they are semi-mongoloids with minor Scythian influence

Majority og Uyghur y dna is caucasoid R1a-Z93 (from Scythians), but autosomally they are mostly mongoloids.

R originate in Siberia, so it is not Caucasoid.

Hungarian Gypsies have around 30% R1a Z93 (Aryan R1a), so are they descendants of Scythians/Sarmatians too ?

why do you deny their Aryan Scythian origins ? Are you racist ?

[DarknessWin]

A mix of east Europeans with Mongoloids and persians

[Stears]

A mix of east Europeans with Mongoloids and persians

Agreed.

[DarknessWin]

Ancient Schytians - Uyghur people

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8yWCfPY9IG0/UtWOjmfTWnI/AAAAAAAAc4I/-Bu2DfSPUwc/s1600/ujgur.jpg

This woman has ''light'' hair and eyes, and she would be confused for lighter pigmented Gypsy in Central Europe. This are your ancient Aryans.

Very correct

[Aenar]

R originate in Siberia, so it is not Caucasoid.

Hungarian Gypsies have around 30% R1a Z93 (Aryan R1), so are they descendants of Scythians/Sarmatians too ?

why do you deny their Aryan Scythian origins ? Are you racist ?

For the firts time I heard that some European Gypsies have high percentage of R1a-Z93.

European Gypsies are mostly H which is native Indian Dravidian (australoid) haplogroup, because Gypsies are descendant of lowest Indian caste "untouchable" or Dalit.

Members of the highest Brahmin caste are descendant of white Aryans (aka Scythians) by male line, which made invasion to India around 1500 BC.

[Aenar]

@ Stears

Among Hungarians is often opinion that Uyghurs are relatives od Hungarians https://youtu.be/G2pf2SlVLz0?t=7m39s


https://youtu.be/G2pf2SlVLz0

[Stears]

For the firts time I heard that some European Gypsies have high percentage of R1a-Z93.

European Gypsies are mostly H which is native Indian Dravidian (australoid) haplogroup, because Gypsies are descendant of lowest Indian caste "untouchable" or Dalit.

Members of the highest Brahmin caste are descendant of white Aryans (aka Scythians) by male line, which made invasion to India around 1500 BC.

Than educate yourself, before writing stupidities.

R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93) (Asia)


R1a1b2a2* (R-M780) occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at >3% in some Iranian populations and is present at >30% in Roma from Croatia and Hungary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a

[Stears]

Little Serbian troll, time to bow down to your Aryan masters the Gypsies.

[Aenar]

Than educate yourself, before writing stupidities.

R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93) (Asia)


R1a1b2a2* (R-M780) occurs at high frequency in South Asia: India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Himalayas. The group also occurs at >3% in some Iranian populations and is present at >30% in Roma from Croatia and Hungary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1a

R1as-Z93 came to India with white Aryan (aka Scythian) invaders around 1500 BC, deal with it.

[Stears]

@ Stears

Among Hungarians is often opinion that Uyghurs are relatives od Hungarians https://youtu.be/G2pf2SlVLz0?t=7m39s


https://youtu.be/G2pf2SlVLz0

Genetically there is no connection, betweeen modern Hungarians and the Uyghurs.

[Stears]

R1as-Z93 came to India with white Aryan (aka Scythian) invaders around 1500 BC, deal with it.

Deal with the painful reality, that Gypsies are much more Aryan than Serbs.

They are real Scythian descendants, while you are just a wannabe.

[DarknessWin]

R1as-Z93 came to India with white Aryan (aka Scythian) invaders around 1500 BC, deal with it.

Bullcrap, when you will stop this "aryan" mythology ???
Wait for the day that they would give to the public the older R1a samples found in Pakistan

The "aryan" myth speak about White people,
they speak about I1,I2 and EV13 natives in europe

EV13 were the first with white skin from agriculture and vitamin D.
You need to read more DNA topics and anthropology

R1 were dark that time

[DarknessWin]

Deal with the painful reality, that Gypsies are much more Aryan than Serbs.

They are real Scythian descendants, while you are just a wannabe.

Aryan meaning is Gypsy anyway , have roots to India

[Kelmendasi]

Bullcrap, when you will stop this "aryan" mythology ???
Wait for the day that they would give to the public the older R1a samples found in Pakistan

The "aryan" myth speak about White people,
they speak about I1,I2 and EV13 natives in europe

EV13 were the first with white skin from agriculture and vitamin D.
You need to read more DNA topics and anthropology

R1 were dark that time
Very unlikely as the father clade of R1a-Z93 was found in Russia and the oldest has also been found in Russia. Indo-Europeans didn't come from south Asia, this is basically proven by the Yamna and other cultures like Corded-ware which itself was the ancestor of the Indo-Iranian cultures. Other haplogroups also had people with white/lighter skin like G2, J2/J1 etc

[Stears]

Aryan meaning is Gypsy anyway , have roots to India

And don't forget how Gypsy language is the closest to ancient Sanskrit.

[DarknessWin]

Very unlikely as the father clade of R1a-Z93 was found in Russia and the oldest has also been found in Russia

They changed their views every year more than the sex partners of Kardashian

[Kelmendasi]

They changed their views every year more than the sex partners of Kardashian
If the father was found in Russia then it's near impossible for the son to be found in south Asia at an earlier date

[DarknessWin]

And don't forget how Gypsy language is the closest to ancient Sanskrt.

Indoeuropean word its insult to native europeans .
This must end and people must give respect to native europeans
and not the gypsies came from India

All this crap came from Nazi mythology ,
they believed that Nordids came from India (LOL) when in reallity
were farmers from Scandinavia and Balkans

[DarknessWin]

If the father was found in Russia then it's near impossible for the son to be found in south Asia at an earlier date

What if they found older different sample from both of them ???
Also to be found in Russia dont make it European either

R1 is 100% asian

[Aenar]

Deal with the painful reality, that Gypsies are much more Aryan than Serbs.

They are real Scythian descendants, while you are just a wannabe.

Gypsies have nothing to do with real Aryans, they are descandants of the lowest Indians caste which is known as "untouchable" or Dalit and it means that Gypsies are descendants of australoid Dravidians, they also have huge Middle Eastern influence.

Members of the highest Brahmin caste in India are over 80% R1a-Z93, they are descendant of white Aryans by male line, but autosomally they are mostly Dravidians, because white Aryans took australoid Dravidian women when they came to India 1500 BC.

All European are autosomally much closer to ancient Aryans than Indians and Pakistanis including members of Brahmin caste.

[Kelmendasi]

What if they found older different sample from both of them ???
Also to be found in Russia dont make it European either

R1 is 100% asian
The origin of R1 is Asian as it was found in Siberia, although the father clade of R1a-Z93 that I am talking about was found in the European part of Russia suggesting that they migrated first to Europe from north-east Asia and then to south Asia

[Stears]

Gypsies have nothing to do with real Aryans, they are descandants of the lowest Indians caste which is known as "untouchable" or Dalit and it means that Gypsies are descendants of australoid Dravidians, they also have huge Middle Eastern influence.

Members of the highest Brahmin caste in India are over 80% R1a-Z93, they are descendant of white Aryans by male line, but autosomally they are mostly Dravidians, because white Aryans took australoid Dravidian women when they came to India 1500 BC.

All European are autosomally much closer to ancient Aryans than Indians and Pakistanis including members of Brahmin caste.

Idiot, if they are over 30% R1a, than they are 1/3 Aryan by the direct paternal line. And they speak the real Aryan language unlike you.

The Aryans were white, in your fantasy only.

[Kelmendasi]

Gypsies have nothing to do with real Aryans, they are descandants of the lowest Indians caste which is known as "untouchable" or Dalit and it means that Gypsies are descendants of australoid Dravidians, they also have huge Middle Eastern influence.

Members of the highest Brahmin caste in India are over 80% R1a-Z93, they are descendant of white Aryans by male line, but autosomally they are mostly Dravidians, because white Aryans took australoid Dravidian women when they came to India 1500 BC.

All European are autosomally much closer to ancient Aryans than Indians and Pakistanis including members of Brahmin caste.
To be fair Gypises do speak an Indo-Aryan language even though they do mainly belong to a Dravidian haplgroup, but yes Romani usually have more MENA admix than South Asian or European admix. The closest to Indo-Aryans autosomally are Iranians iirc

[Kelmendasi]

Idiot, if they are over 30% R1a, than they are 1/3 Aryan by the direct paternal line. And they speak the real Aryan language unlike you.

The Aryans were white, in your fantasy only.
Majority of Romani are H though and not R1a, only the Romani of Croatia and Hungary have high amounts of Z93 afaik and not the others. But yh their language is Indo-Aryan

[Aenar]

The origin of R1 is Asian as it was found in Siberia, although the father clade of R1a-Z93 that I am talking about was found in the European part of Russia suggesting that they migrated first to Europe from north-east Asia and then to south Asia

In far past white caucasoid people lived in most part of Asia including most part of Siberia.

R1 is originally caucasoid and not mongoloid, light hair originated in Siberia (not in Europe) among R1 population.

[Stears]

If any European posted autosomal result which was 30% central asian (Indian & Mongoloid), everybody would call him brown Gypo.

But since this are Scythian samples, and stupid TA members by influence of laughable nazi ideology, they suddenly become ''white'' and European.

Laughable. The steppe gypos were half-white at best.

[Kelmendasi]

If any European posted autosomal result which was 30% central asian (Indian & Mongoloid), everybody would call him brown Gypo.

But since this are Sythian samples, and stupid TA member by infulkece of laughable nazi ideology, they suddenly become ''white'' and European.

Laughable. The steppe gypos were half-white at best.
True, they should still be could part non-white/Euro. Some of them were hardly European iirc but more western ones like Sarmatians were around 70% European

[Stears]

True, they should still be could part non-white/Euro. Some of them were hardly European iirc but more western ones like Sarmatians were around 70% European

So the most white ones were only 70% europeans, and eastern ones less than half.

Yes, that sound much more realistic.

[Aenar]

Ancestors of Gypsies which live in India were Dravidians (H haplogroup) and they belong to Dalit caste, they adopted IE language from their masters from the highest castes.

[Kelmendasi]

Ancestors of Gypsies which live in India were Dravidians (H haplogroup) and they belong to Dalit caste, they adopted IE language from their masters from the highest castes.
This makes sense

[Stears]

Ancestors of Gypsies which live in India were Dravidians (H haplogroup) and they belong to Dalit caste, they adopted IE language from their masters from the highest castes.

Maybe you should let some Aryan (R1a Z93) Gypo to fuck your woman, to birth you pure Aryan son. Than you will be finally happy.

:)))))))

[Leto]

An otherwise fine thread ruined by an autistic middle aged man, wow xD
And now by another one...

[Aenar]

Maybe you should let some Aryan (R1a Z93) Gypo to fuck your woman, to birth you pure Aryan son. Than you will be finally happy.

:)))))))

R1a-Z93 people in ancient period = white people

R1a-Z93 people today = non-white or mixed people with huge mongoloid, australoid and MENA influence

You are suspicious to me, because you change haplogroups as socks, you were R1b-U106 and now you are I1, what is the next? Maybe I2a or Scandinavian R1a-Z84?

[Stears]

R1a-Z93 people in ancient period = white people

R1a-Z93 people today = non-white or mixed people with huge mongoloid, australoid and MENA influence

You are suspicious to me, because you changing haplogroups as socks, you were R1b-U106 and now you are I1, what is the next? Maybe I2a or Scandinavian R1a-Z84.

They were never white.

Serbian Gypsy, why do you mention this again, when I writen million times my paternal cousin is R1b. But I am I1, which is much better than that.

https://i.imgur.com/yxpGF2e.png

Do you want a screenshot, whith my name above this ? :)))))))))))))))))

I know you are envy, because of my pure white Y dna marker.

[Pahli]

Retards derailed and fucked up the thread

[Aenar]

They were never white.

Serbian Gypsy, why do you mention this again, when I writen million times my paternal cousin is R1b. But I am I1, which is much better than that.

https://i.imgur.com/yxpGF2e.png

Do you want a screenshot, whith my name above this ? :)))))))))))))))))

I know you are envy, because of my pure white Y dna marker.

R1a-Z93 were where in ancient period, but they often fuck mongoloid, australoid and MENA women and because of that R1a-Z93 today are not white.

This are descandants or R1a-Z93 Aryans in Asia (they are autosomally mixed with non-whites but still is visible white DNA on them from their R1a-Z93 ancestors)

https://youtu.be/o0TQ1gj8GQo

[Stears]

R1a-Z93 people in ancient period = white people

R1a-Z93 people today = non-white or mixed people with huge mongoloid, australoid and MENA influence

You are suspicious to me, because you change haplogroups as socks, you were R1b-U106 and now you are I1, what is the next? Maybe I2a or Scandinavian R1a-Z84?

Here is the proof (you can see my name in the upper right corner)
https://i.imgur.com/U20VpE3.png

Deal with it envy Balkanite.

[Grab the Gauge]

Just ROFLMAO @ all the coping in this thread.

Yes, Scythians were blondhaired and blue eyed and fully Caucasoid. Nordics come from Central Asia.

Scythian mumny from Mongolia:

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ea/7b/37/ea7b37437a6fa8a30200529ab3467cb3--ancient-tattoo-ethnic-tattoo.jpg

Another Scythian mummy:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a2/72/7c/a2727cee410bf1334310598fd155e974--spooky-places-the-mummy.jpg

https://image.pbs.org/poster_images/assets/389381.JPG.resize.710x399.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Vas_d%27or_amb_representació_d%27escites%2C_kurgan _de_Kul-Oba%2C_segona_meitat_del_segle_IV_aC.JPG/1200px-Vas_d%27or_amb_representació_d%27escites%2C_kurgan _de_Kul-Oba%2C_segona_meitat_del_segle_IV_aC.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Scythian_Warriors.jpg/700px-Scythian_Warriors.jpg

[Stears]

Just ROFLMAO @ all the coping in this thread.

Yes, Scythians were blondhaired and blue eyed and fully Caucasoid. Nordics come from Central Asia.

Scythian mumny from Mongolia:

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ea/7b/37/ea7b37437a6fa8a30200529ab3467cb3--ancient-tattoo-ethnic-tattoo.jpg

Another Scythian mummy:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a2/72/7c/a2727cee410bf1334310598fd155e974--spooky-places-the-mummy.jpg

https://image.pbs.org/poster_images/assets/389381.JPG.resize.710x399.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Vas_d%27or_amb_representació_d%27escites%2C_kurgan _de_Kul-Oba%2C_segona_meitat_del_segle_IV_aC.JPG/1200px-Vas_d%27or_amb_representació_d%27escites%2C_kurgan _de_Kul-Oba%2C_segona_meitat_del_segle_IV_aC.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Scythian_Warriors.jpg/700px-Scythian_Warriors.jpg

Hahahah, that is why their autosomal results are so mongrel and non-European.

It is a nice fantasy.

[Aenar]

Real Scythians which lived in eastern Europe and central Asia were 100% white, some eastern Scythian tribes mixed with mongoloids.

Early Scythians were 100% white and they were mostly belong to Corded Nordid type.


https://youtu.be/jkeWai9hzog

[Pahli]

Hahahah, that is why their autosomal results are so mongrel and non-European.

It is a nice fantasy.

Lol they are more European than you in terms of North European admixture, plus you also score non-European (West Asian and Siberian) xD

They cannot be classified as non-Europeans autosomally just because they have a bit more West Asian than Europeans do, South Europeans have a lot of West Asian too lmfao

[Kamal900]

Lol they are more European than you in terms of North European admixture, plus you also score non-European (West Asian and Siberian) xD

Ouch. I guess he can't join to Stormfront forums then. Purity my ass.

[Stears]

Lol they are more European than you in terms of North European admixture, plus you also score non-European (West Asian and Siberian) xD

I have it from the Hungarian conquerors, who were not fully European.

At least I am honest, and don't pretend to be Aryan.

[Stears]

Ouch. I guess he can't join to Stormfront forums then. Purity my ass.

Nobody interested to hang out with with the untermensch wannabe nazi proletarians.

[Pahli]

I have it from the Hungarian conquerors, who were not fully European.

At least I am honest, and don't pretend to be Aryan.

Hungarians would probably still have been pred. European autosomally, Siberian admixture is found among the most European populations in Europe, the Balts and Finns :)

[Grab the Gauge]

"European" means nothing, the Siberian components were whiter than Europeans of any time period. They have only minimal (less than 10%) East Asian admixture.

[Rethel]

The term european means nothing.

Native Europeans were blackish.
Farmers (Hamitoids, Shemites, CaucasoAnatolians) were swarthy.
Indoeuropeans were white (according to TA meaning of the word "european").
Ugrofinians mongoloidic.
Some Yeniseyans reddish.

Deal with it Stears, and allow people to live.

[Aenar]

The term european means nothing.

Native Europeans were blackish.
Farmers (Hamitoids, Shemites, CaucasoAnatolians) were swarthy.
Indoeuropeans were white (according to TA meaning of the word "european").
Ugrofinians mongoloidic.
Some Yeniseyans reddish.

Deal with it Stears, and allow people to live.

True, native Europeans had dark hair, eyes and skin.
Light hair, eyes and pale skin came from Asia.

[Grab the Gauge]

Real Scythians which lived in eastern Europe and central Asia were 100% white, some eastern Scythian tribes mixed with mongoloids.

Early Scythians were 100% white and they were mostly belong to Corded Nordid type.


https://youtu.be/jkeWai9hzog

I don't know about Corded Nordic, the literature describes them as being significantly more robust and hypermorphic than Cordeds. But they were Nordics of a certain kind.

[Stears]

The term european means nothing.

Native Europeans were blackish.
Farmers (Hamitoids, Shemites, CaucasoAnatolians) were swarthy.
Indoeuropeans were white (according to TA meaning of the word "european").
Ugrofinians mongoloidic.
Some Yeniseyans reddish.

Deal with it Stears, and allow people to live.

Native Europeans (I haplogroup) were white, not the Indo-Europeans (R haplogroup) . ANd they are still whiter today.

Deal with it.

[Stears]

True, native Europeans had dark hair, eyes and skin.
Light hair, eyes and pale skin came from Asia.

Bullshit.

Native Europeans had 100% blue eyes, and Yamnaya IE were swarthy people proven by the dna tests. Heheheh :))))))))))

[Aenar]

Native Eurpeans (I haplogroup) were white, not the Indo-Europeans (R haplogroup) . ANd they are still whiter today.

Deal with it.

Ancestors of Scandinavians I1 were dark in the far past, but they kidnapped women from Baltic from R1a population, and because of that they become lighter, also there is a climate factor except that.

[Stears]

Ancestors of Scandinavians I1 were dark in the far past, but they kidnapped women from Baltic from R1a population, and because they become lighter, also there is a climate factor except that.

Than why are they much blonder and nordic today, than the R1a baloon headed swarthy eastern Europeans ?

Notice: the blond baltic population is not mainly R1a gene. They are predominately N1c haplogroup.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Stears is right in this case.

But the reallity is also that R people (R1a and R1b) are also considered as Europeans today of course. And they brought their influence to all Europa.

But about origin, stears is right. "I" people were more white then Yamnaya people. But Yamnaya were more civilized (more superiror in wars and conquests).

People who are reddish-white have Mongol admixture what had Chengis Khan and that is all.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Than why are they much blonder and nordic today, than the R1a baloon headed swarthy eastern Europeans ?

Notice: the blond baltic population is not mainly R1a gene. They are predominately N1c haplogroup.

There are blond Russians from R1a and Poles from R1a (R1a is dominant in Poland).

So that mean nothing.

Haplogroup Q can be blond if some Mongol living 500 years (his descedants) in Scandinavia. That is not about haplogroup.

P.S. Don't insult R1a. this is your mainly haplogroup from Hungary. You are auotchauvinist.

[Grab the Gauge]

Stears is right in this case.

But the reallity is also that R people (R1a and R1b) are also considered as Europeans today of course. And they brought their influence to all Europa.

But about origin, stears is right. "I" people were more white then Yamnaya people. But Yamnaya were more civilized (more superiror in wars and conquests).

People who are reddish-white have Mongol admixture what had Chengis Khan and that is all.

LMFAO

[Pahli]

Than why are they much blonder and nordic today, than the R1a baloon headed swarthy eastern Europeans ?

Notice: the blond baltic population is not mainly R1a gene. They are predominately N1c haplogroup.

No they don't, they have almost equal amounts of both R1a and N1c, y-dna doesn't mean shit, autosomal DNA is the key factor in your physical appearance

[Stears]

There are blond Russians from R1a and Poles from R1a (R1a is dominant in Poland).

So that mean nothing.

Haplogroup Q can be blond if some Mongol living 500 years (his descedants) in Scandinavia. That is not about haplogroup.

P.S. Don't insult R1a. this is your mainly haplogroup from Hungary. You are auotchauvinist.

R1a is not so high in Hungary. It is less than 30%, and higher frequency only in the northeastern area.

Gypsies have higher R1a (but different mutation) in Hungary than the ethnic Hungarian population.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

LMFAO

I know what touched you. Reddish-white Germanic population who live massivly in USA. That is your problem but you have to deal with it.

That is your ancient reallity.

In vain for you is your blondless or Nordicism, if you are reddish-white asian influenced guy.

[Rethel]

Native Europeans (I haplogroup) were white, not the Indo-Europeans (R haplogroup) . ANd they are still whiter today.

Deal with it.

Man, week ago you didn;t even know, what it is hg I1.
Just stop it, please. It is like some historical OWD.:picard2:

[Aenar]

Than why are they much blonder and nordic today, than the R1a baloon headed swarthy eastern Europeans ?

Because they often kidnapped women from Baltic from R1a population and because of climate (related with lack of vitamin D).
Don't forget Scandinavians also have a lot of R1 (R1b-U106 and R1a-Z284).

Finns are the blondest people in the world and they have over 60% N haplogroup which originated in eastern Asia, what about that?

Also don't forget ancestor of I haplogroup is IJ, and IJ originated in the Middle East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_IJ deal with it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

R1a is not so high in Hungary. It is less than 30%, and higher frequency only in the northeastern area.

Gypsies have higher R1a (but different mutation) in Hungary than the ethnic Hungarian population.

Poles are gypsies then becouse they have more then 65% R1a. Deal with it. R1a is European haplogroup :)

http://brilliantmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/genetic-map-europe.png

[Stears]

No they don't, they have almost equal amounts of both R1a and N1c, y-dna doesn't mean shit, autosomal DNA is the key factor in your physical appearance

I know autosomal dna much more important.

But the Finnsh who are blondest population on the planet, have almost no R1a at all. :)))))))

[Stears]

Man, week ago you didn;t even know, what it is hg I1.
Just stop it, please. It is like some historical OWD.:picard2:

The OWD is you, R1a guy in Europe.

[Pahli]

I know autosomal dna much more important.

But the Finnsh who are blondest population on the planet, have almost no R1a at all. :)))))))

And so what? No one gives a fuck. The Balts are very blonde too and have quite a lot of R1a, so whats your point? Y-dna doesn't do a fuck.

Its their autosomal DNA.

[Aenar]

R1a is not so high in Hungary. It is less than 30%, and higher frequency only in the northeastern area.

Gypsies have higher R1a (but different mutation) in Hungary than the ethnic Hungarian population.

R1a is most common haplogroup in Hungary 29,5%, deal with it https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[Rethel]

Ancestors of Scandinavians I1 were dark in the far past, but they kidnapped women from Baltic from R1a population, and because of that they become lighter, also there is a climate factor except that.

Even not as such.
The forfather of all I1 could live just 3182 years ago.
At that time Scandinawia was totaly IEnized, and peobaly 90% R1.
One guy very easly did assimilated, and he even did not live there.
Maybe somewhere in Central Europe, which was also heavy IE.

If not these two founder effects (I1 and N1) Scandia would be
more or less like that (I think, there is no need for translation),
or did look like that, when first I1 and N1 were born taking unto
account modern propotions of hgs.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67472&d=1505240226

[Stears]

Poles are gypsies then becouse they have more then 65% R1a. Deal with it. R1a is European haplogroup :)

http://brilliantmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/genetic-map-europe.png

Gypsies have asian (aryan) mutation of R1a, europeans have different.

Rethel is envy on the Gypsy type of R1a.

[Aenar]

Gypsies have asian (aryan) mutation of R1a, europeans have different.

Rethel is envy on the Gypsy type of R1a.

Wrong, Gypsies mostly have native indian australoid/Dravidian H haplogroup, they also have more J2 and E1b than R1a.

[Stears]

And so what? No one gives a fuck. The Balts are very blonde too and have quite a lot of R1a, so whats your point? Y-dna doesn't do a fuck.

Its their autosomal DNA.

If you don't give a fuck, why do you comment than ?

I1 populations on average are whiter than the R1a populations. Deal with it.

[Stears]

Wrong, Gypsies mostly have native indian australoid/Dravidian H haplogroup, they also have more J2 and E1b than R1a.

I see your matematic skill is very weak.

If they are over 30% R1a, than they can't have more H, E and J than R1a. It is matemathically impossible.

Learn to count stupid Serbian.

[Pahli]

If you don't give a fuck, why do you comment than ?

I1 populations on average are whiter than the R1a populations. Deal with it.

Why do you keep circle jerking again? What I meant is that nobody gives a fuck about y-dna in terms of importance; Autosomal DNA gives you the most answers.

[Stears]

Why do you keep circle jerking again? What I meant is that nobody gives a fuck about y-dna in terms of importance; Autosomal DNA gives you the most answers.

Wrong. It is important, because the autosomal DNA can be changed with mixing trough generations, but Y haplogroup stays with the descendants forever.

[Aenar]

I see your matematic skill is very weak.

If they are over 30% R1a, than they can't have more H, E and J than R1a. It is matemathically impossible.

Learn to count stupid Serbian.

Hungarian Gypsies don't represent Gypsies on average.

Hungary has 1 000 000 Gypsies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Hungary

In the world there is a 20 000 000 of Gypsies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

[Stears]

R1a is most common haplogroup in Hungary 29,5%, deal with it https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

So what ? It is the Volga-Carpathian subclade mostly, from the Hungarian tribes.

I have nothing against this. It is still less than 30%...

[Aenar]

So what ? It is the Volga-Carpathian subclade mostly, from the Hungarian tribes.

I have nothing against this. It is still less than 30%...

You are against R1a regardless of branch, you and you Greek buddy Darkness claims that R1 is originally Asian mongoloid.

[Stears]

You are against R1a regardless of branch, you and you Greek buddy Dasrkness claims that R1 is originally Asian mongoloid.

The Siberian forefather of R was not white definitelly.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Gypsies have asian (aryan) mutation of R1a, europeans have different.

Rethel is envy on the Gypsy type of R1a.

Russians have same type of R1a like Poles and other eastern Slavs. That is a fact.

[Rethel]

The Siberian forefather of R was not white definitelly.

You do not even know, what you are talking about.
You are taking your information from your imaginery.
You do not know studies about ancient DNA aso, so
just stop to senslessly argue with people who do.

The oldest R ever (pre R1 even) had 70% of something
what in your language can be called corded autosomal.
He was a castizo, but his 70% didnt came from nowhere.
It came from his original IE R* tribe who was a bearer of
that particular auDNA, which was proved to be the very
origin of whiteness and very whitness herself.

[Leto]

The Pontic-Caspian steppe is not exactly Asia. And the Yamnaya spread westward from there.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hej2D7J_s7Y/VOQja7wvFwI/AAAAAAAACA8/dg0Eduv94XA/s1600/ponticsteppes.jpg

[Aenar]

The Siberian forefather of R was not white definitelly.

In the far past white people lived in the most part of Asia including Siberia.

Majority of holders of R1a-Z93 today are not white, but holders of R1a-Z93 in far past were white.

When you would have a son whit black African women your son will not be white, but he will be I1 or R1b-U106.

[Stears]

You do not even know, what you are talking about.
You are taking your information from your imaginery.
You do not know studies about ancient DNA aso, so
just stop to senslessly argue with people who do.

The oldest R ever (pre R1 even) had 70% of something
what in your language can be called corded autiosomal.
He was a castizo, but his 70% did not came from nowhere.
It came from his original IE R* tribe who was a bearer of
that particular auDNA, which was proved to be the very
origin of whiteness and very whitness herself.

Why do you think I do not read ancient studies ?

The Siberian R boy has so-called ''North Eurasian'' autosomal admixture (ANE). YOu call this white genes ?
Sorry, but it is higher in the non European populations (like the north caucasus and indians), than in european people. and the american indians have it too...
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25020958

ANE map:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/X-8eCF1RfQA7Vds0goBmXYlB94ZmiBJRm9pSjeBS630=w380-h206-no

So do not think I am uneducated.

Real white admixture is the hunter gatherer genes, which originate from I-haplogroup people. Deal with it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You do not even know, what you are talking about.
You are taking your information from your imaginery.
You do not know studies about ancient DNA aso, so
just stop to senslessly argue with people who do.

The oldest R ever (pre R1 even) had 70% of something
what in your language can be called corded autosomal.
He was a castizo, but his 70% didnt came from nowhere.
It came from his original IE R* tribe who was a bearer of
that particular auDNA, which was proved to be the very
origin of whiteness and very whitness herself.

What is your type Rethel of R1a ?

[Rethel]

Why do you think I do not read ancient studies ?

Becasue saying, that I-oldeuropeans were whites is against what there is written.


The Siberian R boy has so-called ''North Eurasian'' autosomal admixture (ANE). YOu call this white genes ?

ANE is not a real thing. It is castizo.
You read so much, then you should know.
But you don't.


Sorry, but it is higher in the non European populations (like the north caucasus and indians), than in european people. and the american indians have it too...

The same as they have "mestizo DNA". And what? Are they descendent from mestizos? :picard2:


So do not think I am uneducated.

Yes, definitly.


Real white admixture is the hunter gatherer genes, which originate from I-haplogroup people. Deal with it.[/B]

Again your ignorance is known.
Firstly, if you would be knowing what are you talking about, you would say which one.
Secondly, you would know, that these with I were blackish. So, you have no idea what
you are talking about, becasue you do know that they were blackish, and you cannot
even properly named them. Just once in life listen what other people are saying.

[Rethel]

What is your type Rethel of R1a ?

The best.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The best.

What type? Why you don't want to share it?

[Rethel]

What type?

I said: the best type :)


Why you don't want to share it?

I just did. What do you want yet to know?

[Stears]

Rethel is envy.

[Rethel]

Rethel is envy.

Standard text, when the debate is lost.

[Stears]

Standard text, when the debate is lost.

I don't need to prove, western hunter gatherers were million times more white genetically, than the ancient north eurasians.

It is already known.

[Rethel]

It is already known.

Only for your imagination...

[Hashoeva]

Apart from Eastern Scythians, the Western Sarmatians / Scythians are pretty much West Eurasian with only little mongoloid blood.
thats because they mixed in a lot with european women.

[Jacques de Imbelloni]

They were blond cowboys that kidnapped CHG wimmiz according to eurogenes. Straight out of a Conan comic book.
https://www.lavanguardia.com/r/GODO/LV/p3/WebSite/2016/09/29/Recortada/img_adomenech_20160929-120618_imagenes_lv_otras_fuentes_kardashian-kEzE-U41660282597VjF-992x558@LaVanguardia-Web.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9nVjTD4AM

[Lucas]

They were blond cowboys that kidnapped CHG wimmiz according to eurogenes. Straight out of a Conan comic book.

https://www.lavanguardia.com/r/GODO/LV/p3/WebSite/2016/09/29/Recortada/img_adomenech_20160929-120618_imagenes_lv_otras_fuentes_kardashian-kEzE-U41660282597VjF-992x558@LaVanguardia-Web.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN9nVjTD4AM

So Corded + Armenoid = ?

[xripkan]

Most modern Tadjik groups carry South Asian/Dravidian-like ancestry. This admixture did not exist in ancient pre-Iranic Central Asian people.
This is why we get such a big distance trying to model Western Scythians and Ural Sarmatians with modern references. We need a pure South-Central Asian population.
Using ancient references


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.0083% / 0.01008325
59.8 RUS_Tagar
27.0 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
13.2 TKM_Gonur1_BA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.7117% / 0.01711661
58.2 RUS_Tagar
27.2 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
14.6 TKM_Gonur1_BA

Target: Sarmatian_KAZ
Distance: 1.7194% / 0.01719373
47.8 RUS_Tagar
33.8 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA
18.4 TKM_Gonur1_BA

Pure South-Central Asian admixture is 13-15% for South Urals and Caspian Steppe Sarmatians. The rest is Steppe and a little Siberian/East Eurasian. It resembles the less East Eurasian admixed modern Finno-Ugric groups.

I replace the ancient Asian with modern Yagnobi. This reference carries very low South Asian.


Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
Distance: 1.1192% / 0.01119156
53.8 RUS_Tagar
24.6 Tajik_Yagnobi
21.6 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA

Target: Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
Distance: 1.8930% / 0.01893029
51.8 RUS_Tagar
26.8 Tajik_Yagnobi
21.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA

Target: Sarmatian_KAZ
Distance: 2.0421% / 0.02042134
39.8 RUS_Tagar
33.8 Tajik_Yagnobi
26.4 RUS_Srubnaya_MLBA

Distances of the models are very low. Sarmatians are modelled as 1/4 Yagnobi and the rest as a mix of North-Europeans and Finno-Ugrics. Only for Sarmatians of Kazakhstan we see a bit higher Asian admixture which makes sense.

Yagnobi are mostly Asian but they have a considerable amount of Steppe. They look mixed. I would say mostly Asian with some European carachteristics.

My conclusion is that European Scythians and Early Sarmatians from Southern Urals looked mostly North-Eastern European with some (minor in most cases) Asian influences and definitely not like modern Central Asian Iranian-speaking groups or modern Indo-Aryans as some people claim.

[Roy]

Kit M344946

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 53.65
2 West_Asia 25
3 SW_Europe 17.02
4 Americas 2.38
5 SE_Asia 1.1
6 South_Asia 0.65
7 West_Africa 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 16.93
2 Ukrainian 17.32
3 Russian 18.45
4 Belarusian 18.63
5 Slovak 18.73
6 Moldavian 19.37
7 Polish 19.57
8 German_North 20.09
9 Slovene 20.26
10 Tatar 20.81
11 Hungarian 21.04
12 Bosnian 21.37
13 Norwegian 21.43
14 Swedish 21.78
15 Estonian 21.93
16 Croatian 22.31
17 Lithuanian 22.54
18 Latvian 22.69
19 Scottish 22.73
20 Irish 22.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.2% Latvian + 40.8% Chechen @ 7.28
2 59.4% Lithuanian + 40.6% Chechen @ 7.47
3 60.2% Estonian + 39.8% Chechen @ 7.98
4 63.8% Polish + 36.2% Chechen @ 8.85
5 63.6% Latvian + 36.4% Adygei @ 8.97
6 65.6% Russian + 34.4% Chechen @ 9.02
7 54.3% Finnish + 45.7% Chechen @ 9.16
8 63.8% Lithuanian + 36.2% Adygei @ 9.21
9 65.9% Latvian + 34.1% Dagestan_Azeri @ 9.29
10 66.1% Lithuanian + 33.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 9.49
11 64.8% Estonian + 35.2% Adygei @ 9.75
12 66.2% Latvian + 33.8% Ossetian @ 9.82
13 68.8% Mordovian + 31.2% Chechen @ 9.82
14 62.9% Latvian + 37.1% Tadjik @ 10
15 61.8% Latvian + 38.2% Kumyk @ 10
16 67.1% Estonian + 32.9% Dagestan_Azeri @ 10.02
17 67.1% Lithuanian + 32.9% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.02
18 63.1% Lithuanian + 36.9% Tadjik @ 10.03
19 66.5% Lithuanian + 33.5% Ossetian @ 10.04
20 67% Latvian + 33% Afghan_Pashtun @ 10.04

Obviously very West Eurasian in comparison to East Scythian samples. They're somehow 2/3 Baltic + 1/3 South Central Asian unlike Scythian_IA that came out as 50/50 Baltic and South Central Asian

Very interesting results. You won't find people with such nowadays (I mean belonging to one ethnicity).