Info on E-V13>Z16661?

[Kelmendasi]

Can someone tell me more about this clade of E-V13? So far there is hardly any info on it and all I know about it is that it is the main haplogroup of the Kuci clan which has Montenegrin and Albanian branches, so far both Albanians and Montenegrins have this clade afaik

[Kriptc06]

hard indeed to find, I found something in ISOGG, its a subbranch of L17

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • E1b1b1a1b1a10a1a3~PH3589, Z16661



https://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpE.html

[Kelmendasi]

^^
What population group do you think this clade is most linked to?

[Voskos]

no idea but I found this:

Kosta, Mrazetsi, Tryavna region, Bulgaria E Z16661.

(maybe Thracians?)

[Kelmendasi]

Interestingly Kuci claims descent from Berisha(the Berisha e Kuqe brotherhood) but they don't share the same clade although they do have the same ancestral clade called S2979 which means that they shared an ancestor 4,000 years ago but yet they claim to be recent relatives

[Kriptc06]

^^
What population group do you think this clade is most linked to?

well, I've seen several englishman getting L17* or some branch of it, they claim it to be from roman soldiers of balkanic origins, so from its balkans, in fact most E-V13, including me must have lived there once in the past. But I cannot point which specific population carries Z16661, too little information

[Kelmendasi]

no idea but I found this:

Kosta, Mrazetsi, Tryavna region, Bulgaria E Z16661.

(maybe Thracians?)
Yh probably Thracian or Illyrian but info seems to be scarce on this clade

[Kelmendasi]

well, I've seen several englishman getting L17* or some branch of it, they claim it to be from roman soldiers of balkanic origins, so from its balkans, in fact most E-V13, including me must have lived there once in the past. But I cannot point which specific population carries Z16661, too little information
I have seen an Englishman get Z16661 so it probably is from Balkan Legionaries

[Voskos]

cosmoo posted this a while back. cant help with the names though since I don't understand cyrillic.

https://s12.postimg.org/5cvqhfsul/E-_V13_nova.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

cosmoo posted this a while back. cant help with the names though since I don't understand cyrillic.

[IMGhttps://s12.postimg.org/5cvqhfsul/E-_V13_nova.jpg[/IMG]
Yh I've seen this image as well. I think under Z16661 it says Kuci but in Cyrillic form

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Yh I've seen this image as well. I think under Z16661 it says Kuci but in Cyrillic form

I can read cyrillic and it says Kuci under Z16661.

Why you are interested to know about this specific subclade?

[Kelmendasi]

I can read cyrillic and it says Kuci under Z16661.

Why you are interested to know about this specific subclade?
Idk just curious for some reason lol and it's cool to know which clade Kuci is under and it disproves some oral traditions

[Kriptc06]

I can read cyrillic and it says Kuci under Z16661.

Why you are interested to know about this specific subclade?

isnt it kuchi?

[ChocolateFace]

isnt it kuchi?

Kuqi

[Kriptc06]

Kuqi

perhaps in that cyrillic, Ч is different

[Kelmendasi]

perhaps in that cyrillic, Ч is different
The cyrilic spells it out as Kuči

[Kriptc06]

The cyrilic spells it out as Kuči

so it's kuchi, i know cyrillic, but the bulgarian and russian forms, serbian one scares me :(

[Kelmendasi]

so it's kuchi, i know cyrillic, but the bulgarian and russian forms, serbian one scares me :(
Yh pronounced as Kuchi but the spellings vary for example there is Kuči, Kuçi, Kuqi etc

[The Illyrian Warrior]

isnt it kuchi?

English pronunciation is kuchi but originally is written kuçi.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Idk just curious for some reason lol and it's cool to know which clade Kuci is under and it disproves some oral traditions

Can you enlight me more what oral tradition says about kuci and what part exactly does genetics disapproves?

[Herr Abubu]

a lot of info can be found here.

https://*********gg/WeRgD38

[Sacrificed Ram]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx5KnFr9xSk

[Kelmendasi]

Can you enlight me more what oral tradition says about kuci and what part exactly does genetics disapproves?
Our oral traditions say that Kuci come from Berisha but genetics sorta disproves it as they don't share the same subclade as on another, still though it could just mean that one brotherhood of Berisha which Kuci comes from has another haplogroup just like how one brotherhood of Kelmendi(Nikc brotherhood) is J2b2 whilst the other brotherhoods are E-V13.

[Kelmendasi]

https://s4.postimg.org/7zu80lbr1/IMG_0646.jpg

[Vukodav]

https://s4.postimg.org/7zu80lbr1/IMG_0646.jpg

you guys inspired by poreklo.rs or something?

[Kelmendasi]

you guys inspired by poreklo.rs or something?
Don't think so lol. Have you got any info on Kuci or E-V13>Z16661?

[Vukodav]

Don't think so lol. Have you got any info on Kuci or E-V13>Z16661?

nothing new that wasn't already posted here.

[Trojet]

you guys inspired by poreklo.rs or something?

Nope. It's the other way around, lol. Poreklo must've been inspired by us, since we actually started making such trees a while ago (you can see this at Anthrogenica's Albanian DNA Project thread). The one Kelmandasi posted is the latest for V13.

[Kelmendasi]

Nope. It's the other way around, lol. Poreklo must've been inspired by us, since we actually started making such trees a while ago (you can see this at Anthrogenica's Albanian DNA Project thread). The one Kelmandasi posted is the latest for V13.
Trojet bro your one of the smartest when it comes to haplogroups so do you have any info on this clade? There is hardly any info on it lol

[Kelmendasi]

There are multiple people from Sanxhak who have this clade and it's definitely mainly from Albanian Kuci members who migrated there as Kuci(Branch which comes from Berisha) is one of the main Albanian clans along Shkreli and Kelmend to move there.

Members:
Radončići Gusinje E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Redžović Kolašin E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Đurđević Prijepolje E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Kačapor Kačapore (Rožaje) E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Hadžibulić Trebaljevo (Kolašin)
à Novi Pazar
E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Bihorac Bihor –> Delimeđe (Tutin) E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Мujović Jerebice (Tutin) E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Nikočević Gusinje E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Kučević Žabren (Sjenica) E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Ademović-Kuč Mitrova (Tutin) E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Madžgalj Kolašin à Novi Pazar E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Zećirović Bijelo Polje E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Fehratović Kolašin à Kruševo (Novi Pazar) E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Toković Gradac (Tutin) E1b1b V13 S2972>Z16661
Doljanac Požega (Novi Pazar)

[Tschaikisten]

Nope. It's the other way around, lol. Poreklo must've been inspired by us, since we actually started making such trees a while ago (you can see this at Anthrogenica's Albanian DNA Project thread). The one Kelmandasi posted is the latest for V13.
No offense, but this sounds funny.

[Trojet]

No offense, but this sounds funny.

Lol, what's so funny about it?

[Vukodav]

Lol, how is it funny?Probably because dudes on poreklo.rs are really serious group of people. They are ethnographers, hystorians, mathematicians and they do this type of things​ for really long period.

[Vukodav]

Also, the Nevgen predictor is the work of two of their members
http://www.nevgen.org/

[blondbeast]

Lol, what's so funny about it?

Typical albanian. Trying to steal other people's achievements.

[Trojet]

Probably because dudes on poreklo.rs are really serious group of people. They are ethnographers, hystorians, mathematicians and they do this type of things​ for really long period.

Well, you suggested we were "inspired" by Poreklo about creating phylogenetical trees. I said I have posted such trees at Anthrogenica's Albanian DNA thread since long ago, so perhaps it must be the other way around.


Also, the Nevgen predictor is the work of two of their members
http://www.nevgen.org/

I don't deny you guys have more people involved in this field and I applaud you for that, as it benefits everyone. The discussion was about us "being inspired" about the phylogenetic trees, which is obviously not true.

[Vukodav]

Well, you suggested we were "inspired" by Poreklo about creating phylogenetical trees. I said I have posted such trees at Anthrogenica's Albanian DNA thread since long ago, so perhaps it must be the other way around.



I don't deny you guys have more people involved in this field and I applaud you for that, as it benefits everyone. The discussion was about us "being inspired" about the phylogenetic trees, which is obviously not true.That's fair enough, I'm probably used to see these trees on poreklo and that is why I asked

[Trojet]

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[Kelmendasi]

The Bankeqi brotherhood of the Albanian Trieshi clan belongs to this haplogroup which seems to go against there oral tradition of being from the same progenitor as Hoti as they are J2b2. They are quite distant from Kuqi with a distance of around 1,000 years

[Skerdilaid]

Yes Kelmendasi :p, a Treishi man tested recently and belongs to this branch. However, he is not that closely related to Kuqi as you pointed out - he has 7 or 8 differences with the Kuqi members on 37 markers (so their TMRCA give or take should be around 1000 to 1500 years). He is part of the 'Bankeq' brotherhood, who are supposed to be related to Hoti i ri going by the oral traditions. Anyway really interesting result, to say the least since much ink has been spilled related to their origin. Weather they were Albanian or Slavic to begin with, because part of the tribe remained Albanian while majority gradually entered the Serbian/Montenegrin corpus and also converted in the process. This result obviously further cements the theory that this tribe was predominantly Albanian not that distantly and catholic at that too, as Mariano Bozzila describes them in his 17th century detailed report.