Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

[Tschaikisten]

New study
Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans
(http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html?foxtrotcallback=true#tables)
Full article
(http://sci-hub.cc/10.1038/nature23310)
https://scontent.fbeg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20476276_10211629109495656_4593057142871097744_n.j pg?oh=6e7d4b01d7007e0c8484d65b2476b11a&oe=5A014E59

[Köstebek]

Lol where is my Cretan!

[Bosniensis]

What does Turkish J2 and Mycenian J2 have in common?


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8253/8676203150_d05bfca903_z.jpg

[Tschaikisten]

What does Turkish J2 and Mycenian J2 have in common?

Neolithic origins.

[Bosniensis]

Neolithic origins.

phew thats 10k years ago.

But still does that make them Japhetites?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japhetites

[Sikeliot]

They're both closer to Sicilians than to modern Slavic influenced Greeks.

[Köstebek]

What does Turkish J2 and Mycenian J2 have in common?


Its origin is Anatolia. Its the common

[Hamlet]

Is there a GEDmatch? Every study should just fucking upload to GEDmatch...

[Hamlet]

Are those genotype IDs GEDmatch?

[Hamlet]

Nope.

[Köstebek]

Is there a GEDmatch? Every study should just fucking upload to GEDmatch...


The Neolithic samples from Greece clustered with these farmers and were distinct from the Minoans and Mycenaeans. The Bronze Age individuals from southwestern Anatolia were also distinct, intermediate between Anatolian and Levantine populations towards the bottom, and populations from Armenia, Iran, and the Caucasus towards the top. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations.

[Sikeliot]

We are close to the originals. Not you. Bow down, Slav wannabes!

[nightrider+]

Just lol @ Polako's coping. :icon_lol:

[nightrider+]

We are close to the originals. Not you. Bow down, Slav wannabes!

See the position of the Crete_Armenoi sample? This is where Iron Age Greeks plot. You heard it here first.

https://s3.postimg.org/4ow1qio1f/screenshot_258.png

[catgeorge]

We are close to the originals. Not you. Bow down, Slav wannabes!

You Africans have nothing to do with Bronze Age Greeks.

[Dick]

Just lol @ Polako's coping. :icon_lol:

Where?

[nightrider+]

Where?

His blog.

[Kelmendasi]

His blog.
What did he say?

[Dick]

His blog.

What does this have to do with him?

[zarzian]

Neolithic origins.

Try again, J2a is over 35,000 years old, and it was barely found in Neolithic anatolia but 4/5 of the observed South west Anatolians samples in this study were J2 along with all of the Mycenaeans, game Over for steppe theory and Iranian PiE confirmed bitches, HAHAHAH, Davidski that cunt bitch is shitting blood right now HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA

[Dick]

Try again, J2a is over 35,000 years old, and it was barely found in Neolithic anatolia but 4/5 of the observed South west Anatolians samples in this study were J2 along with all of the Mycenaeans, game Over for steppe theory and Iranian PiE confirmed bitches, HAHAHAH, Davidski that cunt bitch is shitting blood right now HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA

Does this mean that his calculators are worthless?

[nightrider+]

What does this have to do with him?

You'd know if you've been following him. We are talking about the guy who thought that Greeks and Italians were in for a rude awakening because they were pulled east by Levantine Slaves, Turks etc. Mycenaean samples are out, clustering with Sicilians, one y-dna J2a, headline "Steppe admixture in Mycenaeans"... We still need more data but somewhere Dienekes is having a laugh.

[catgeorge]

This is
because Neolithic farmers shared fewer alleles with Modern Greeks
than with Mycenaeans (Extended Data Fig. 8), consistent with additional
later admixture27,28.
The Minoans and Mycenaeans, sampled from different sites in Crete
and mainland Greece, were homogeneous, supporting the genetic
coherency of these two groups. Differences between them were modest,
viewed against their broad overall similarity to each other and to
the southwestern Anatolians, sharing in both the ‘local’ Anatolian
Neolithic-like farmer ancestry and the ‘eastern’ Caucasus-related
admixture. Two key questions remain to be addressed by future
studies. First, when did the common ‘eastern’ ancestry of both Minoans
and Mycenaeans arrive in the Aegean? Second, is the ‘northern’ ancestry
in Mycenaeans due to sporadic infiltration of Greece, or to a rapid
migration as in Central Europe6
? Such a migration would support the
idea that proto-Greek speakers29 formed the southern wing of a steppe
intrusion of Indo-European speakers. Yet, the absence of ‘northern’
ancestry in the Bronze Age samples from Pisidia, where Indo-European
languages were attested in antiquity, casts doubt on this genetic–
linguistic association, with further sampling of ancient Anatolian
speakers needed. Whatever the answer to these questions, the discovery
of at least two migration events into the Aegean in addition to the first
farming dispersal before the Bronze Age, and of additional population
change since that time, supports the view that the Greeks did not
emerge fully formed from the depths of prehistory, but were, indeed, a
people ‘ever in the process of becoming’30.

[Köstebek]

Try again, J2a is over 35,000 years old, and it was barely found in Neolithic anatolia but 4/5 of the observed South west Anatolians samples in this study were J2 along with all of the Mycenaeans, game Over for steppe theory and Iranian PiE confirmed bitches, HAHAHAH, Davidski that cunt bitch is shitting blood right now HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA

Its autosomal you moron. That means Crete was populated from Anatolia, Levant and near east mainly

[Bosniensis]

Its autosomal you moron. That means Crete was populated from Anatolia, Levant and near east mainly

Well Athens was founded by Ionians (apparently) so yes Greeks are Anatolians.

It's a shame that most of them are speaking Turkic... disgusting.

[nightrider+]

Try again, J2a is over 35,000 years old, and it was barely found in Neolithic anatolia but 4/5 of the observed South west Anatolians samples in this study were J2 along with all of the Mycenaeans, game Over for steppe theory and Iranian PiE confirmed bitches, HAHAHAH, Davidski that cunt bitch is shitting blood right now HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHA

He changed the headline now, added "Caucasus admixture already big in Minoans". Hahahahaha

[zarzian]

Its autosomal you moron. That means Crete was populated from Anatolia, Levant and near east mainly

What are you trying to say?

[Dick]

You'd know if you've been following him. We are talking about the guy who thought that Greeks and Italians were in for a rude awakening because they were pulled east by Levantine Slaves, Turks etc. Mycenaean samples are out, clustering with Sicilians, one y-dna J2a, headline "Steppe admixture in Mycenaeans"... We still need more data but somewhere Dienekes is having a laugh.

His theories have always sounded like fairy tales.

[zarzian]

Does this mean that his calculators are worthless?

Probably, as he is known to skew the way his calculators interpret/output data.

[Dick]

Probably, as he is known to skew the way his calculators interpret data.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216688-Davidski-Eurogenes-exposed

[Bosniensis]

Its origin is Anatolia. Its the common

So you are saying that Turks are Greeks?

[Köstebek]

So you are saying that Turks are Greeks?

No. J2a having Anatolian origin doesnt mean that. Türks are not even only Anatolian in origin (Greeks too)

[Bosniensis]

No. J2a having Anatolian origin doesnt mean that. Türks are not even only Anatolian in origin (Greeks too)

All I know is that some "Turks" came to Anatolia 1071 A.D. and conquered it.

I would like to identify those that came from those natives who converted to Islam and Turkic culture.

Is there any way to identify Real Turkmens from Greeks, Celts.. etc... "Roman" people?

[nightrider+]

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310.epdf?author_access_token=E4JxhmOKVE0Zk 7xCXmpm99RgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0OwLzzqUmCLV4d2G6bjGa7 kiPBb7TTVpAsutKGfIQRMrq8WVAMpP-SfGerriklOb5-JK4PQu2o4hKeBf7fel4E9

[Peterski]

Ancient Greek elites were more Steppe-shifted than ordinary ancient Greeks:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/08/steppe-admixture-in-mycenaeans.html


most of Mycaeneans are from ordinary burials, and the most EHG-shifted sample - Crete_Armenoi - is from an elite burial, postdating Mycaenean infiltration to Crete.

So, perhaps Mycaenean elite was more EHG-shifted, compared to ordinary people.

I expect the same pattern to be the case in city-states of Iron Age Greece.

Citizens of Athens, Sparta, etc. will be more Steppe-shifted than non-citizens.

[Böri]

https://i.hizliresim.com/zB1oaD.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/zB1oaD)

[Köstebek]

All I know is that some "Turks" came to Anatolia 1071 A.D. and conquered it.

I would like to identify those that came from those natives who converted to Islam and Turkic culture.

Is there any way to identify Real Turkmens from Greeks, Celts.. etc... "Roman" people?

Türkmen villages are different, other different. easy.

Do you think J2a must be identified as Turk haplogroup or Anatolian?

[nightrider+]

Ancient Greek elites were more Steppe-shifted than ordinary ancient Greeks:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/08/steppe-admixture-in-mycenaeans.html



I expect the same pattern to be the case in city-states of Iron Age Greece.

Citizens of Athens, Sparta, etc. will be more Steppe-shifted than non-citizens.

More bullshit by Polako's minions. Just quit already.


The elite Mycenaean individual from the ‘royal’ tomb at Peristeria in the western Peloponnese did not differ genetically from the other three Mycenaean individuals buried in common graves.

[Bosniensis]

Türkmen villages are different, other different. easy.

Do you think J2a must be identified as Turk haplogroup or Anatolian?

Well, Turks haven't been in Italy while Anatolian Greeks (Troy) Aeneas and others founded Rome.

There is a lot of J2a in Italy.

[Bosniensis]

https://i.hizliresim.com/zB1oaD.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/zB1oaD)

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/alexander-great-empire-his-conquest-course-greece-to-india-to-babylon-b-c-towns-provinces-year-43235658.jpg

[Köstebek]

Well, Turks haven't been in Italy while Anatolian Greeks (Troy) Aeneas and others founded Rome.

There is a lot of J2a in Italy.

Those Italians are Anatolian origin

[Peterski]

But this ultimately confirms that Indo-European languages are from the Steppes of Eastern Europe:


the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia [6, 7, 8]

[nightrider+]

Facial reconstruction of a Mycenaean:

http://i.imgur.com/iN8N9XX.jpg

[Böri]

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/alexander-great-empire-his-conquest-course-greece-to-india-to-babylon-b-c-towns-provinces-year-43235658.jpg

https://i.hizliresim.com/VMGWrn.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/VMGWrn)

[Bosniensis]

Those Italians are Anatolian origin

Well all others are Franks and Ostrogoths that conquered Italy 546 A.D.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(546)

It is those southern Italians and Sicily that represent Ancient Italy and they are J2a.

[Bosniensis]

.....

Seljuks were minority among the conquered Greeks who got Turkified. Ottomans were Greeks, just like Ottoman Serbs who were Turkified.

Turks are fictitious nation who descended from Greeks that were previously slaves of Mongol Turkic Empire.

There are 0 or very few Turkic traits among the Turks (narrow Mongoloid eyes etc..)

Turks are Mongoloids while modern Turks aren't.

[Kelmendasi]

Those Italians are Anatolian origin
No they aren't they are of Greek origin

[Köstebek]

No they aren't they are of Greek origin

J2a has Anatolian origin you moron

[Bosniensis]

No they aren't they are of Greek origin

Well that's pretty much the same if we take into consideration that Ionians were Anatolians.

[Köstebek]

Well that's pretty much the same if we take into consideration that Ionians were Anatolians.

Well, alot common Ydna which flew from Anatolia to both. But autosomally not the same. Anatolian Greeks and most of Turkish cluster closer to Armenians.

[Armenian Bishop]

They're both closer to Sicilians than to modern Slavic influenced Greeks.

Agree ...

[nightrider+]

Agree ...

Except the Armenoi sample...

[Kelmendasi]

J2a has Anatolian origin you moron
The subclades are Greek though you mong

[nightrider+]

https://images.nature.com/full/nature-assets/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/images/nature23310-f2.jpg

Albos more Minoan than some Northern Greeks, rofl.

[Not a Cop]

Does this mean that his calculators are worthless?

Not really.

[Peterski]

Crete_Armenoi (elite Post-Minoan burial) has more of steppe ancestry than modern Cretans.

[nightrider+]

Crete_Armenoi (elite Post-Minoan burial) has more of steppe ancestry than modern Cretans.Still less than modern mainlanders and more than elite Mycenaean from Peloponnese.

[Peterski]

Still less than modern mainlanders and more than elite Mycenaean from Peloponnese.

Maybe that elite Mycenaean from Peloponnese was part of the elite thanks to his merits, not aristocratic blood?

While the one from Crete had aristocratic blood, born into an elite family with an elevated level of PIE ancestry?

:p

[Сербо Макеридов]

Well Athens was founded by Ionians (apparently) so yes Greeks are Anatolians.

It's a shame that most of them are speaking Turkic... disgusting.

Of corse that Greeks are Anatolian origin, the strongest haplogroup among Greeks is J2, and that haplogroup is originated in Anatolia or in Middle East.
Only real European haplogroup is I, which is originate in the Balkans 30 000 years ago.

[Peterski]

Elite Cretan is 1/3 Steppe, that's a lot (I guess she was of aristocratic blood - remember that not all members of the elite had to be of aristocratic blood, because SOCIAL MOBILITY is a thing - "Pelasgians" with not much of IE ancestry could become elite thanks to their merits):

http://i.imgur.com/hgGmGHl.png

[Voskos]

Interesting.full j2a

[Peterski]

That Peloponnesian elite sample was probably like Evo Morales in Bolivia - one of first important indigenous figures.

On the other hand that elite Cretan woman was like Bolivian Mestizos - who are landowners / aristocracy there:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wj6yez66ws

"What are you doing here you Pelasgian?! You smell like a sheep."

[Voskos]

and one G2. All ydna is caucasoanatolian in origin.

[Sikeliot]

Agree ...


Sorry my posts on this were half-assed. I was on my phone. Now that I am on my computer, THIS is my full analysis. Let me know what you think.

For one, I do not find the PCA plot to suggest modern Greeks are "largely Mycenaean," if anything the opposite and heavily Slavicized. I sense some sort of political agenda to placate modern day Greeks and shield them from the reality of their Slavic influences.

Sicilians can best be described as genetically close to "proto-Greeks" or the Greeks when they were at their earliest stage with the bare minimum of Indo-European DNA while still being Greeks. This suggests that southern Italy was partly influenced by a wave of migration from the Aegean that likely PREDATED Magna Graecia, and the same is true for the Aegean islands. I say this because places in southern Italy with heavier Doric Greek, like Syracuse and Apulia, indeed have extra Steppe admixture relative to other southern Italians and this likely was present among Dorians. This implies Doric Greeks and other Magna Graecia era Greeks could have been higher in Steppe ancestry than the Mycenaeans, and carried some of it to southern Italy.

Alternatively put, the earliest Greeks are the most Sicilian-like, and waves of Doric migration, Thracian influence, and eventually Slavic input pulled them away, but I do believe Magna Graecia settlers would not have been as "untouched" if you will as the Mycenaeans. What this really suggests is like Sardinians are a good proxy for aboriginal West Med people, Sicilians might be a good modern-day example of ancient East Mediterranean people, who have undergone very little Indo-European influence and thus are a good modern proxy for Mycenaeans, Minoans, etc.

The Levantine input suggests that Mycenaean, Italic, and later more Indo-European heavy Greek influences may have pulled Sicily to be "Mycenaean" like, while earlier Sicilians would have been even more Levantine than those today. Given our Levant influence is even stronger in mtdna, it likely predates the Mycenaeans and even Phoenicians and is very ancient, placing our roots deeply in the eastern Mediterranean very back in time, and Mycenaeans share some of these ancestors.

My guess is Sicilians were once more Levantine than today. Sicilians after all the Lombard, Norman, Italic, and Doric Greek plot with Mycenaeans, so imagine how they were before that!

As for Minoans having once been more Sardinian-like than modern Cretans, this is to be expected. What really shocks me is one of the ancient Cretan samples being shifted toward NE Europe relative to the Sicilians, Mycenaeans, and other Minoans. Could this person have been a Doric settler? Their place on the plot is where I expect Magna Graecia era Dorians to have been.

[nightrider+]

Sorry my posts on this were half-assed. I was on my phone. Now that I am on my computer, THIS is my full analysis. Let me know what you think.

For one, I do not find the PCA plot to suggest modern Greeks are "largely Mycenaean," if anything the opposite and heavily Slavicized. I sense some sort of political agenda to placate modern day Greeks and shield them from the reality of their Slavic influences.

Sicilians can best be described as genetically close to "proto-Greeks" or the Greeks when they were at their earliest stage with the bare minimum of Indo-European DNA while still being Greeks. This suggests that southern Italy was partly influenced by a wave of migration from the Aegean that likely PREDATED Magna Graecia, and the same is true for the Aegean islands. I say this because places in southern Italy with heavier Doric Greek, like Syracuse and Apulia, indeed have extra Steppe admixture relative to other southern Italians and this likely was present among Dorians. This implies Doric Greeks and other Magna Graecia era Greeks could have been higher in Steppe ancestry than the Mycenaeans, and carried some of it to southern Italy.

Alternatively put, the earliest Greeks are the most Sicilian-like, and waves of Doric migration, Thracian influence, and eventually Slavic input pulled them away, but I do believe Magna Graecia settlers would not have been as "untouched" if you will as the Mycenaeans. What this really suggests is like Sardinians are a good proxy for aboriginal West Med people, Sicilians might be a good modern-day example of ancient East Mediterranean people, who have undergone very little Indo-European influence and thus are a good modern proxy for Mycenaeans, Minoans, etc.

The Levantine input suggests that Mycenaean, Italic, and later more Indo-European heavy Greek influences may have pulled Sicily to be "Mycenaean" like, while earlier Sicilians would have been even more Levantine than those today. Given our Levant influence is even stronger in mtdna, it likely predates the Mycenaeans and even Phoenicians and is very ancient, placing our roots deeply in the eastern Mediterranean very back in time, and Mycenaeans share some of these ancestors.

My guess is Sicilians were once more Levantine than today. Sicilians after all the Lombard, Norman, Italic, and Doric Greek plot with Mycenaeans, so imagine how they were before that!

As for Minoans having once been more Sardinian-like than modern Cretans, this is to be expected. What really shocks me is one of the ancient Cretan samples being shifted toward NE Europe relative to the Sicilians, Mycenaeans, and other Minoans. Could this person have been a Doric settler? Their place on the plot is where I expect Magna Graecia era Dorians to have been.

Amazing how you've managed to completely contradict yourself in one post.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I haplogroup is the oldest European marker, holders of I haplogroup were Cro-Magnons (first Europeans)

https://i1.wp.com/thedockyards.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Genetic-map-Europe.png

[Kamal900]

However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia6, 7, 8, introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe1, 6, 9 or Armenia4, 9. Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html?foxtrotcallback=true#tables

That's exactly what we've been saying all along, lol. Those anti-Greek haters can kiss Zeus's asshole.

[Sikeliot]

That's exactly what we've been saying all along, lol. Those anti-Greek haters can kiss Zeus's asshole.

I don't think it shows this at all. Mycenaeans are Sicilian-like but modern Thessalians, Epirotes, etc. are not and have a great shift northeast. This implies as much as 25% of Greek ancestry is not Mycenaean.

[Sikeliot]

This also suggests Philistines would have also been closest to modern Sicilians.

[Bosniensis]

I haplogroup is the oldest European marker, holders of I haplogroup were Cro-Magnons (first Europeans)

https://i1.wp.com/thedockyards.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Genetic-map-Europe.png

Etruscans (Rašani) are probably I2 ... but one needs to analyze their graves because R1b that is predominant in that region
today are Frankish and Longobard germanic conquerors who had a custom of exterminating previous populace.

One day people shall understand that Rome were predominantly E1b+J2+I2 people not those conquerors (R1a and R1b)

[Queen B]

I don't think it shows this at all. Mycenaeans are Sicilian-like but modern Thessalians, Epirotes, etc. are not and have a great shift northeast. This implies as much as 25% of Greek ancestry is not Mycenaean.Well, you can think all you want.
I prefer to believe all those scientists who signed this article.

[Böri]

Seljuks were minority among the conquered Greeks who got Turkified. Ottomans were Greeks, just like Ottoman Serbs who were Turkified.

Turks are fictitious nation who descended from Greeks that were previously slaves of Mongol Turkic Empire.

There are 0 or very few Turkic traits among the Turks (narrow Mongoloid eyes etc..)

Turks are Mongoloids while modern Turks aren't.

Seljuks were a minority elite bureaucratical-military class who ruled not only the lower folk of Anatolia but also other light brown unibrowed neighbour people like Levantines.
Seljuks were Oghuz Turks, the most Caucasoid of Turkic peoples.
They came in the 11th century. However with Genghis Khan's best Generals Subutay and Jebe destroying the Turcoman empire of Khwarezmians, the real mass immigration of Turks to Anatolia happened in the 13th century where huge amounts of Turks flooded peninsula... Including the Ottoman dynasty who were in Merv.

Mongols Turkified Anatolia yeah indirectly :)

[Сербо Макеридов]

Seljuks were a minority elite bureaucratical-military class who ruled not only the lower folk of Anatolia but also other light brown unibrowed neighbour people like Levantines.
Seljuks were Oghuz Turks, the most Caucasoid of Turkic peoples.
They came in the 11th century. However with Genghis Khan's best Generals Subutay and Jebe destroying the Turcoman empire of Khwarezmians, the real mass immigration of Turks to Anatolia happened in the 13th century where huge amounts of Turks flooded peninsula... Including the Ottoman dynasty who were in Merv.

Mongols Turkified Anatolia yeah indirectly :)

Real Turkic haplogroups R1a-Z93, Q and N almost do not exist among anatolian "Turks"
Haplogroup N is 4% in Turkey and haplogroup Q is only 2%, probably R1a-Z93 do not exist in Turkey.
R1a in Turkey is 7%, and all or almost all of R1a in Turkey are Slavic brunchs Z-280 and M-458.
You are turkified Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs and others Anatolian and Middle Eastern People.

[Böri]

You are turkified Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs and others Anatolian and Middle Eastern People.

I didnt test myself yet but it's impossible what you say. When I look at mirror İ see a Turkic face :) not a hairy person like the natives of inner Anatolia with huge nose etc.

[Bosniensis]

I didnt test myself yet but it's impossible what you say. When I look at mirror İ see a Turkic face :) not a hairy person like the natives of inner Anatolia with huge nose etc.

Test yourself, don't believe the fairy tales.
I'll test myself too.

[Böri]

Test yourself, don't believe the fairy tales.
I'll test myself too.

Your point in this thread is useless, man. You try to pose smth MENA (Armenoid-Levantine like) as 'Greek, lol :) To make it pass as more Euro.
In Turkey the genetically most Turkic, Aegean coast Turks have a little bit of actual real Greek effect. When you enter hinterland it's brown MENA thing similar quality as Lebanon or Mesopotamia.

Greeks never gave their blood to the mass. Just like a Turkic elite came from Central Asia and ruled the lower quality mass, prior it was Hellenic colonists who were ruling the same low quality mass :)

I am part Turanid so it is for sure I have Dat Turkic blood. But testing will be good to check level of that so you right yeah.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I didnt test myself yet but it's impossible what you say. When I look at mirror İ see a Turkic face :) not a hairy person like the natives of inner Anatolia with huge nose etc.

When you look yor self in the mirror you probably see something like this, right?

https://gdb.rferl.org/A0D22957-05A3-453C-B7C3-40F0F1FBE1BC_w1023_r1_s.jpg

[Böri]

When you look yor self in the mirror you probably see something like this, right?

https://gdb.rferl.org/A0D22957-05A3-453C-B7C3-40F0F1FBE1BC_w1023_r1_s.jpg

Turkoman origins myself so closer to Central Asian Turkomans first

https://i.hizliresim.com/lW8ALp.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/lW8ALp)

But İ dont say you are all wrong. I am mean all Turkey isnt like me. You have seas of MENA Armeno-Arab, unibrowed, brownish, narrow front greasy people who are here since the beginning :) and who just worshipped the new masters, master be Turk or master be Hellenic.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Turkoman origins myself so closer to Central Asian Turkomans first

https://i.hizliresim.com/lW8ALp.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/lW8ALp)

But İ dont say you are all wrong. I am mean all Turkey isnt like me. You have seas of MENA Armeno-Arab, unibrowed, brownish, narrow front greasy people who are here since the beginning :) and who just worshipped the new masters, master be Turk or master be Hellenic.

Are you Yörük?

[Böri]

Are you Yörük?

No but smth quite similar in outlook and story.

[Сербо Макеридов]

No but smth quite similar in outlook and story.
Yörüks from Macedonia are lighter than average Turkish people, some would say that is because they are mixed with Slavs, but they also look more Turkic than average Turkish people.

Yörük girl from Macedonia
https://nu.aeon.co/images/f9b6a87b-9105-4418-8bf0-c70319c40988/header_Tobacco-Girl_FINAL.jpg

Her mother looks quite Turkic https://youtu.be/hT9t0k4BJNs?t=21m7s

[catgeorge]

I am just wondering if Germans and Romans settled all over Greece and took over the local population or where majority of them same haplos as Greeks already there.

Well there is no historical evidence Romans settled in Greece

We are not very close to Turks as a whole genetically perhaps only close to 20% of Turkish population

Germans never settled in Greece

Some small Slavic settlements in Greece but no where near the level that is talked up by Afrikan-alot

So all the genetic studies over the past decade about Greeks proves the genetic composition has not changed since Minoan/Mycenan times.

It comes down to coping as the debunking of ridiculous miseducated theories has been nothing short of hilarious seeing all the responses.

[Böri]

Yörüks from Macedonia are lighter than average Turkish people, some would say that is because they are mixed with Slavs, but they also look more Turkic than average Turkish people.

Yörük girl from Macedonia
https://nu.aeon.co/images/f9b6a87b-9105-4418-8bf0-c70319c40988/header_Tobacco-Girl_FINAL.jpg

Her mother looks quite Turkic https://youtu.be/hT9t0k4BJNs?t=21m7s

I know that community and already watched that video. They speak authentic Turkish (Balkan Turkic) close to language of Oghuz Turks of Anatolia and which wasnt spoken in Ottoman circles who spoke a language full with foreign loan words and sentences structures (Persian and Arabic). Atatürk was from similar community.

[Bosniensis]

I am just wondering if Germans and Romans settled all over Greece and took over the local population or where majority of them same haplos as Greeks already there.

Well there is no historical evidence Romans settled in Greece

We are not very close to Turks as a whole genetically perhaps only close to 20% of Turkish population

Germans never settled in Greece

Some small Slavic settlements in Greece but no where near the level that is talked up by Afrikan-alot

So all the genetic studies over the past decade about Greeks proves the genetic composition has not changed since Minoan/Mycenan times.

It comes down to coping as the debunking of ridiculous miseducated theories has been nothing short of hilarious seeing all the responses.

And who are Romans to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a0ODTqPXkk


Do you think that Ostrogoths and Longobards (Vikings) are Romans?

http://i.imgur.com/UnQsJxG.png

[Bosniensis]

I am just wondering if Germans and Romans settled all over Greece and took over the local population or where majority of them same haplos as Greeks already there.

Well there is no historical evidence Romans settled in Greece

We are not very close to Turks as a whole genetically perhaps only close to 20% of Turkish population

Germans never settled in Greece

Some small Slavic settlements in Greece but no where near the level that is talked up by Afrikan-alot

So all the genetic studies over the past decade about Greeks proves the genetic composition has not changed since Minoan/Mycenan times.

It comes down to coping as the debunking of ridiculous miseducated theories has been nothing short of hilarious seeing all the responses.

And who are Romans to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a0ODTqPXkk


Do you think that Ostrogoths and Longobards (Vikings) are Romans?

http://i.imgur.com/UnQsJxG.png

[kingjohn]

[QUOTE=Bosniensis;4552977]And who are Romans to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a0ODTqPXkk

roman to me {roman descendnents}
are modern people
who score italian in my heritage 25% at least
like my brother :)
what a mix a kike{ acording to assholes in this forum } and roman blood the ultimate mixture ....
in my case it is a kike and greek mix also great .....
all haters fuck off .....

[Köstebek]

Yörüks from Macedonia are lighter than average Turkish people, some would say that is because they are mixed with Slavs, but they also look more Turkic than average Turkish people.

Yörük girl from Macedonia
https://nu.aeon.co/images/f9b6a87b-9105-4418-8bf0-c70319c40988/header_Tobacco-Girl_FINAL.jpg

Her mother looks quite Turkic https://youtu.be/hT9t0k4BJNs?t=21m7s

Yörüks in Aegean Turkey also lighter than average Aegean Turkish people and Greeks.

[Köstebek]

Etruscans (Rašani) are probably I2 ... but one needs to analyze their graves because R1b that is predominant in that region
today are Frankish and Longobard germanic conquerors who had a custom of exterminating previous populace.

One day people shall understand that Rome were predominantly E1b+J2+I2 people not those conquerors (R1a and R1b)

lol! says WHO?

[Voskos]

[QUOTE=Bosniensis;4552977]And who are Romans to you?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a0ODTqPXkk

roman to me {roman descendnents}
are modern people
who score italian in my heritage 25% at least
like my brother :)
what a mix a kike{ acording to assholes in this forum } and roman blood the ultimate mixture ....
in my case it is a kike and greek mix also great .....
all haters fuck off .....

J2a and J2b peoples had the biggest civilizations:
Greeks,Italians,Illyrians,Romans,Jews,mesopotamian s

[Coolguy1]

Good to see my haplogroup represented there, j2a-m319

[Voskos]

Good to see my haplogroup represented there, j2a-m319

The most common hg in sfakia is j2a m319.

[Dick]

and one G2. All ydna is caucasoanatolian in origin.
No IE Rethel ydna?

[Coolguy1]

The most common hg in sfakia is j2a m319.

The only populations that have considerable amounts of j2a-m319 are the Sfakiots and the Griko speakers of southern Italy.

[Proto-Shaman]

What does Turkish J2 and Mycenian J2 have in common?

A Turanian haplogroup, mainly Chechen-Nakh-Turkic.

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/J2-Y-DNA-Haplogroup-Map-J2-M172-Map-J2-Haplogrubu-Haritasi-v3.png

[Proto-Shaman]

Yörüks from Macedonia are lighter than average Turkish people, some would say that is because they are mixed with Slavs, but they also look more Turkic than average Turkish people.

Yörük girl from Macedonia
https://nu.aeon.co/images/f9b6a87b-9105-4418-8bf0-c70319c40988/header_Tobacco-Girl_FINAL.jpg

Her mother looks quite Turkic https://youtu.be/hT9t0k4BJNs?t=21m7s
Thats the Corded Ware (Irano-Nordid) element. Carleton Coon calls it Altaic.

[Proto-Shaman]

Real Turkic haplogroups R1a-Z93, Q and N almost do not exist among anatolian "Turks"
Haplogroup N is 4% in Turkey and haplogroup Q is only 2%, probably R1a-Z93 do not exist in Turkey.
R1a in Turkey is 7%, and all or almost all of R1a in Turkey are Slavic brunchs Z-280 and M-458.
You are turkified Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs and others Anatolian and Middle Eastern People.
You forgot R1b-M269, also a Turkic Eurasian marker: 15% in Turkey. R1a-Z93 only exists among Iranized Turkics in eastern Anatolia:

https://d3tije9h5o4l4c.cloudfront.net/social-photos/802644?dpr=2&fit=crop&h=426&w=426

[Proto-Shaman]

Well, Turks haven't been in Italy while Anatolian Greeks (Troy) Aeneas and others founded Rome.

There is a lot of J2a in Italy.
They were actually the Turkic sons of Odin, you moron :picard2:

[Proto-Shaman]

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/alexander-great-empire-his-conquest-course-greece-to-india-to-babylon-b-c-towns-provinces-year-43235658.jpg

Alexander the Great, A Turkic Hero: Turkic Visages and Usages of the Macedonian Conqueror (http://international.ucla.edu/apc/event/11788)

[Voskos]

No IE Rethel ydna?

IJ seems to have dominated large parts of Europe.

[Arch Hades]

No genetic/racial difference between the Elite and Commoner samples.


"The elite Mycenaean individual from the ‘royal’ tomb at Peristeria in the western Peloponnese did not differ genetically from the other three Mycenaean individuals buried in common graves."

[Coolguy1]

That outlying sample from Crete post-dates both the Minoan and Mycenean eras in Greece, more Steppe ancestry than even modern Cretans signifying a Dorian arrival still unmixed with the locals.

[RN97]

You'd know if you've been following him. We are talking about the guy who thought that Greeks and Italians were in for a rude awakening because they were pulled east by Levantine Slaves, Turks etc. Mycenaean samples are out, clustering with Sicilians, one y-dna J2a, headline "Steppe admixture in Mycenaeans"... We still need more data but somewhere Dienekes is having a laugh.

Ayo hol'up Szymon
Hol'up
ayo Franciszek
iz u sayin'
nah Igor iz u really sayin'?
det we wuz not aristotle n' sheeeit??

[Rethel]

But still does that make them Japhetites?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japhetites

No. Japhetites are R1.

[Voskos]

No. Japhetites are R1.

I1 is Japhetic too though.

[RN97]

Ancient Greek elites were more Steppe-shifted than ordinary ancient Greeks:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/08/steppe-admixture-in-mycenaeans.html



I expect the same pattern to be the case in city-states of Iron Age Greece.

Citizens of Athens, Sparta, etc. will be more Steppe-shifted than non-citizens.

It still plots southwest of modern Greeks. If steppe is such a great thingy, then I expect you to fully advocate for the n. Caucasus master race.

[Rethel]

I1 is Japhetic too though.

Interesting how... :picard2:

[zarzian]

Finally we can put to rest the nordic ancient Greek theory, as it seems that modern Greeks are more Nordic then their ancestors.


3 of the 4 Mycaneans were mtDNA X2, while non of the minoans had X2. The earliest X2 found in Ancient DNA is from Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic ~9000 years ago. The Oldest J2a has been found in Hotu cave sample from the Mesolithic, along with the fact that the Mycaneans had more CHG/IranN then the Minoan samples, well this is more Obvious that the Mycenaeans came from way East. The small <10% Steppe admixture, which the paper itself even said that it might be a pseudo steppe component, was picked up through slow diffusion of balkan farmers from the North, this slow diffusion has been ongoing which has led to Modern Greeks being more Steppe then the Myceneans.





Elite Cretan is 1/3 Steppe, that's a lot (I guess she was of aristocratic blood - remember that not all members of the elite had to be of aristocratic blood, because SOCIAL MOBILITY is a thing - "Pelasgians" with not much of IE ancestry could become elite thanks to their merits):

http://i.imgur.com/hgGmGHl.png

If there ever was a desperate special pleading, it is this. Kekekekek


J2a has Anatolian origin you moron

You pusti malaka bhutana J2a is from Iran.

[Sekarotuinen]

Palestinians were originally Pelasgians, we want the land you stole from us back, Greeks.

[Köstebek]

J2a is from Iran.

Where did you get this idea from? Your bum?

[Rethel]

Finally we can put to rest the nordic ancient Greek theory, as it seems that modern Greeks are more Nordic then their ancestors. 3 of the 4 Mycaneans were mtDNA X2, while non of the minoans had X2. The earliest X2 found in Ancient DNA is from Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic ~9000 years ago. The Oldest J2a has been found in Hotu cave sample from the Mesolithic, along with the fact that the Mycaneans had more CHG/IranN then the Minoan samples, well this is more Obvious that the Mycenaeans came from way East. The small <10% Steppe admixture, which the paper itself even said that it might be a pseudo steppe component, was picked up through slow diffusion of balkan farmers from the North, this slow diffusion has been ongoing which has led to Modern Greeks being more Steppe then the Myceneans.

Rather less au if something and rather theory is confirmed than debukned.
Do we read the same source?

Greek ancestors were 100% EHG, now it is much less - but nothing strange,
if they live n society were they count only 27% of the population and earlier
they were peobably only 10%. So now at least proportionally they are more
populated, than earier. Neolithic people were not Greeks, man.


Palestinians were originally Pelasgians, we want the land you stole from us back, Greeks.

Not Palestinians, but Philistines.

[zarzian]

Where did you get this idea from? Your bum?

Iran_Mesolithic (Hotu Cave) 11,200 BP

I1293: J(xJ2a1b3, J2b2a1a1)

Although the Satsurbia HG might predate the Huto cave sample, according to Laziridis et al , CHG itself is a product of and IranN type and European Hunter gatherers;

We can model CHG as a mixture of Iran_N
and different European hunter-gatherer populations (Table S7.7), with an estimate of
71.6±6.0% Iran_N, 7.0±3.8% WHG, 21.4±7.7% EHG. A

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2016/06/16/059311.DC1/059311-1.pdf



I don't think it shows this at all. Mycenaeans are Sicilian-like but modern Thessalians, Epirotes, etc. are not and have a great shift northeast. This implies as much as 25% of Greek ancestry is not Mycenaean.

Myceneans are not "Sicilian like" lol, just because a PCA projects 2 groups near each other it does not mean that they derive from one another or are even related, it just means that the 2 groups are made of similar amounts of the same components. it is very clear from the paper that Modern greek derive from the Ancient greeks, the little extra Slavic that modern Greeks have has pulled them more north in the PCA which again means fuck all because if you use IBD and segment sharing protocols you will see how much closer modern greeks are to their ancient counterparts.

[ADonkeyBrain]

Interesting responses by a couple of people

-Litvin: "the Armenoi sample is elite." No, it isn't and it plots close to Tuscans and mainland Greeks vs South Italians and Sicilians where the others (including the one actual elite sample) do. Very Nordic master race.

-Sikeliot: "but the PCA." Using these genomes, Sicilians can be modelled well with extra Levantine that Greeks lack and much less actual Mycenaean than Greeks. But yeah they are close on a PCA and share general ancestry too. Still, gotta look at the whole picture.

Considering your preferred scenaria were a bit premature and ended up being a tad-to-very off-base, wait for more samples first before repeating yourselves again, in my view.

Course, total genetic continuity is lacking too, as expected, with later events likely from Anatolia and more importantly northeast Europe impacting Greece. This was evident for the whole Balkans when the previous Balkan samples were published but the Greek ones already have the expected important CHG-shift. We'll see how ones from Bronze Age Albania and further samples from all over the Balkans fare. So I'll give Sikeliot credit but only half-credit for now.

And proto-Greek coming from the steppe is a done deal too.

[Köstebek]

Iran_Mesolithic (Hotu Cave) 11,200 BP

I1293: J(xJ2a1b3, J2b2a1a1)



J2a biggest diversity is in Iran? It doesnt work like WHO finds the oldest remains.... It Works with diversity amounts. Moron

[zarzian]

Greek ancestors were 100% EHG, -

HAHHAHAHAHAA :rotfl: That was a good one.

[zarzian]

J2a biggest diversity is in Iran? It doesnt work like WHO finds the oldest remains.... It Works with diversity amounts. Moron

You are too stupid to put 2 and 2 together, just fuck off lowIQ washroom cleaner

[Köstebek]

You are too stupid to put 2 and 2 together, just fuck off lowIQ washroom cleaner

There was no iran when J2a divided there. Your agenda gains nothing. you insulting doesnt change it J2a have many subs mutations it had in Anatolia. Even Iran have them later on from Anatolia

[kingjohn]

J2a and J2b peoples had the biggest civilizations:
Greeks,Italians,Illyrians,Romans,Jews,mesopotamian s[/QUOTE]

and i will add with farmer ancestery .... :)

[Rethel]

:picard1:

[zarzian]

There was no iran when J2a divided there. Your agenda gains nothing. you insulting doesnt change it J2a have many subs mutations it had in Anatolia. Even Iran have them later on from Anatolia

Your utter stupidity, lack of even rudimentary knowledge and the blatant low IQ demonstrated by your writting skills do not warrant any more serious responses, so I am left with nothing but to call you a low IQ whore.

[Dick]

So these proto greek IEs got there via anatolia?

[zarzian]

J2a and J2b peoples had the biggest civilizations:
Greeks,Italians,Illyrians,Romans,Jews,mesopotamian s



Don't forget the Persian and Medians too.

[Köstebek]

So these proto greek IEs got there via anatolia?

yea, but the persian gypsy trying to imply they came from iran :rolleyes:

[Dick]

yea, but the persian gypsy trying to imply they came from iran :rolleyes:

So J2 is indoeuropean? I thought only R1

[zarzian]

yea, but the persian gypsy trying to imply they came from iran :rolleyes:

Your profile avatar is you in a good day?

[Köstebek]

So J2 is indoeuropean? I thought only R1

J2 is not indo-Euro. It had language shift

[gültekin]

Real Turkic haplogroups R1a-Z93, Q and N almost
stop right now here
J2a2-PH3085,SK1403: Ancient Altai, modern Uygur and Turkish
The huge Allentoft et al. 2015 research with low-coverage genomes from 101 ancient humans from across Eurasia included two males from Altai Iron Age (900 BC to 1000 AD) in the same J2a2 haplogroup (see Altai archaeology). Even more intriguing is that the ancient genomes share unique Y-SNPs with two modern samples: one Uygur and one Turkish
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?158726-Y-DNA-Haplogroups-in-Turkic-People


do not exist among anatolian "Turks"

hold your tits baby
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults
https://i.hizliresim.com/LnXqGz.jpg

You are turkified Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs and others Anatolian and Middle Eastern People.
nah retard ,we have just took them in our bed

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.2% Sicilian + 48.8% Turkmen_Afghan @ 5.43
2 55.3% Sicilian + 44.7% Uzbek_Afghan @ 6.01
3 54.5% Sicilian + 45.5% Tajik_Afghan @ 6.28
4 54.7% Sicilian + 45.3% Uzbek @ 7.58
5 50.8% Greek + 49.2% Turkmen_Afghan @ 8
6 55.1% Greek + 44.9% Uzbek_Afghan @ 8.08
7 68.7% Turks_Istanbul + 31.3% Turkmen_Afghan @ 8.59
8 54.3% Greek + 45.7% Tajik_Afghan @ 8.62

[XenophobicPrussian]

RIP historic Nordicists.

Italy is still a question mark though, at the very least in terms of if Romans were N. Italians/Iberians or central/south Italians. Dorian and classical Greek period genomes would be nice too.

Unfortunately, modern Greeks will continue to hate on their Turkish and Levantine brothers.

[Köstebek]

RIP historic Nordicists.

Italy is still a question mark though, at the very least in terms of if Romans were N. Italians/Iberians or central/south Italians. Dorian and classical Greek period genomes would be nice too.

Unfortunately, modern Greeks will continue to hate on their Turkish and Levantine brothers.

Real life Greeks are not Nordicists like in this forum. You cant easily find a Greek WHO say Anatolia is not Greek in real life lol. Here is a jungle

[zarzian]

J2 is not indo-Euro. It had language shift

Shut your dirty hole bitch and do not spew garbage without a source ever again you cheap prostitute.

[Köstebek]

Don't forget the Persian and Medians too.

he says civilization

[RN97]

RIP historic Nordicists.

Italy is still a question mark though, at the very least in terms of if Romans were N. Italians/Iberians or central/south Italians. Dorian and classical Greek period genomes would be nice too.

Unfortunately, modern Greeks will continue to hate on their Turkish and Levantine brothers.

The genetic difference between Greeks and Turks is around the same as between Greeks and Germans so they're hardly brothers. I personally believe that the proto-Italics were more n/ c. Italian like, but I guess we'll see. I just don't see how you can claim with a straight face that someone Greeks are the brothers of Turks and much, much less Levantines. Greeks and s. Italians are basically their own thing IMO. They're a bit more isolated than most populations in Europe. Albanians and Sicilians are the only ones that reach very high genetic relationship with the average Greek main-lander.

[ADonkeyBrain]

RIP historic Nordicists.

Italy is still a question mark though, at the very least in terms of if Romans were N. Italians/Iberians or central/south Italians. Dorian and classical Greek period genomes would be nice too.

Unfortunately, modern Greeks will continue to hate on their Turkish and Levantine brothers.

We should definitely wait for later genomes since the chronologically later Armenoi sample has a decent steppe-shift relative to the tested Mycenaeans and plots next to Tuscans and Greeks rather than in a more 'southeastern' direction. Italy needs to be tested but there are some indications in my opinion that it might have acquired its extra CHG component that early too. At least Central Italy, since South Italy and Sicily seem to also have a decent amount of later(?) Levantine ancestry that both mainland Greece and the rest of Italy lack.

As for the latter, well, you're a half-Pole who doesn't seem to like Poles that much so you must sympathize, right? Not even the rift of Islam is involved in your case. ;-)

[gültekin]

You pusti malaka bhutana J2a is from Iran.
i see only a lot of j1a forsis here
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Iranian%20Y-DNA/default.aspx?section=yresults
https://s2.postimg.org/6qj0qsdwp/Capturejj.jpg
calculate itself
http://www.nevgen.org/

[Köstebek]

damn Dorians!

[ADonkeyBrain]

The genetic difference between Greeks and Turks is around the same as between Greeks and Germans so they're hardly brothers. I personally believe that the proto-Italics were more n/ c. Italian like, but I guess we'll see. I just don't see how you can claim with a straight face that someone Greeks are the brothers of Turks and much, much less Levantines. Greeks and s. Italians are basically their own thing IMO. They're a bit more isolated than most populations in Europe. Albanians and Sicilians are the only ones that reach very high genetic relationship with the average Greek main-lander.

You can just compare the Bronze Age Greek and Anatolian samples and the modern Balkan Greek and Anatolian Turkish ones. They've significantly pulled apart from each other since then, Greece towards northern Europe, Anatolia towards the Transcaucasus and Central Asia (with some other stuff but those are the two main pulls it seems).

[Lavrentis]

RIP historic Nordicists.

Italy is still a question mark though, at the very least in terms of if Romans were N. Italians/Iberians or central/south Italians. Dorian and classical Greek period genomes would be nice too.

Unfortunately, modern Greeks will continue to hate on their Turkish and Levantine brothers.

We don't hate Turks and Levantines and neither they are our brothers.

I've seen your comments here, another smart-ass Pole who pretends that he is an Ubermensch :picard1:

[Lavrentis]

Real life Greeks are not Nordicists like in this forum. You cant easily find a Greek WHO say Anatolia is not Greek in real life lol. Here is a jungle

OWD Turk, no one in Greece wants to associate himself with your Middle Eastern shithole, unfortunately tons of Turks are obsessed with us and wish they they were Greeks, so you create some imaginary connections. Clowns.

[gültekin]

You can just compare the Bronze Age Greek and Anatolian samples and the modern Balkan Greek and Anatolian Turkish ones. They've significantly pulled apart from each other since then, Greece towards northern Europe, Anatolia towards the Transcaucasus and Central Asia (with some other stuff but those are the two main pulls it seems).
what are you talking about retard ? , Turks score the same percents of Anatolian Neolitic with English on average. 12.70 at Near East Neolithic K13. Greeks score 37.40

[Lavrentis]

Polish pseudo-historian Litvin at it again.

Yes, the elite ancient Greeks were Poles and Poles are Ubermensch because they speak an IE language, and Poles are the original Indo-Europeans, and blonde Greeks are actually Poles.

[Köstebek]

We don't hate Turks and Levantines and neither they are our brothers.

I've seen your comments here, another smart-ass Pole who pretends that he is an Ubermensch :picard1:

You were claiming Greeks has nothing to do with Anatolia. Did you see the results Thrasivoulos? :D

[Lavrentis]

Duplicate

[Bosniensis]

We don't hate Turks and Levantines and neither they are our brothers.

I've seen your comments here, another smart-ass Pole who pretends that he is an Ubermensch :picard1:

Let's say it this way: If out of 14 million Balkan slavs 3 millions are muslims, how many muslim greeks are there?
There could be only more in the case of greeks cause Greeks were more closely connected to Turks than Slavs.

Those Turks in Turkey are Greeks, predominantly. They speak Turkish, have Turkish names but are Greeks.
I have a Turkish name, but my relative has Serbian cause he remained Orthodox.

You can't denounce a group of Greeks cause they have a different religious beliefs.

[Köstebek]

Polish pseudo-historian Litvin at it again.

Yes, the elite ancient Greeks were Poles and Poles are Ubermensch because they speak an IE language, and Poles are the original Indo-Europeans, and blonde Greeks are actually Poles.

You dont need to worry, as you are not a blondie but a shit skin

[Lavrentis]

You were claiming Greeks has nothing to do with Anatolia. Did you see the results Thrasivoulos? :D

What doesn't your little mind understand that I don't want to be associated with Turkey and Anatolian customs?

And how do you explain that modern Greeks and Turks have big genetic differences?

[Köstebek]

Let's say it this way: If out of 14 million Balkan slavs 3 millions are muslims, how many muslim greeks are there?
There could be only more in the case of greeks cause Greeks were more closely connected to Turks than Slavs.

Those Turks in Turkey are Greeks, predominantly. They speak Turkish, have Turkish names but are Greeks.

Well Anatolia Turks mostly cluster with Armenians than Greeks. Minority cluster with Greek. And many are minor east asian mix.
Same applies for the Anatolian Greeks WHO went to Greece in 1915-1920s they also more cluster with Armenians

[Lavrentis]

You dont need to worry, as you are not a blondie but a shit skin

Stop quoting me you son of a whore.

You're using boring tactics. I don't wish that I was blonde or something, I have black hair and brown eyes actually.

[Köstebek]

What doesn't your little mind understand that I don't want to be associated with Turkey and Anatolian customs?
//
And how do you explain that modern Greeks and Turks have big genetic differences?

WHO said its the same? Your imaginary friends? Did you see the study btw? Anatolian connection doesnt mean Turkey, you moron there was no Turkey in the past

[Lavrentis]

Let's say it this way: If out of 14 million Balkan slavs 3 millions are muslims, how many muslim greeks are there?
There could be only more in the case of greeks cause Greeks were more closely connected to Turks than Slavs.

Those Turks in Turkey are Greeks, predominantly. They speak Turkish, have Turkish names but are Greeks.
I have a Turkish name, but my relative has Serbian cause he remained Orthodox.

You can't denounce a group of Greeks cause they have a different religious beliefs.

Stop with this man. Modern Greeks and Turks are not genetically similar.

[Lavrentis]

WHO said its the same? Your imaginary friends? Did you see the study btw? Anatolian connection doesnt mean Turkey, you moron there was no Turkey in the past

I have seen other studies too who say that Greeks are 95,5% percent white, lol :bored:

[Köstebek]

I have seen other studies too who say that Greeks are 95,5% percent white, lol :bored:

I didnt know Anatolia was black. You seem advanced on genetics lol

You actually dont even understand these results, do you?

[gültekin]

Let's say it this way: If out of 14 million Balkan slavs 3 millions are muslims, how many muslim greeks are there?
There could be only more in the case of greeks cause Greeks were more closely connected to Turks than Slavs.

Those Turks in Turkey are Greeks, predominantly. They speak Turkish, have Turkish names but are Greeks.
ah you son of a cheap fyrominian whore, sokol, this is what and Western Turk from Çanakkale-Troja scores.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.12
2 West_Asian 20.92
3 West_Med 12.85
4 Baltic 12.09
5 Siberian 10.19
6 North_Atlantic 7.31
7 East_Asian 6.37
8 Red_Sea 4.52
9 South_Asian 1.52
10 Oceanian 1.08
11 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 14.61
2 Nogay 17.12
3 Turkmen 17.82
4 Central_Greek 18.13
5 Azeri 18.37
6 East_Sicilian 18.83
7 Greek_Thessaly 19.51
8 Ashkenazi 19.59
9 Italian_Abruzzo 20.16
10 South_Italian 20.19
11 Kumyk 21.17
12 West_Sicilian 21.92
13 Lebanese_Muslim 22.19
14 Bulgarian 22.39
15 Cyprian 22.46
16 Syrian 22.5
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
18 Algerian_Jewish 23.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 23.34
20 Balkar 23.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.2% Nogay + 41.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.19
2 53.7% Nogay + 46.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.36
3 51% Cyprian + 49% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.76
4 59% Nogay + 41% Italian_Jewish @ 5.79
5 59.5% Nogay + 40.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.8
6 60% Nogay + 40% Libyan_Jewish @ 6
7 57.5% Nogay + 42.5% Cyprian @ 6.23
8 57.7% Nogay + 42.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.27
9 57% Central_Greek + 43% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.65
10 62.7% Nogay + 37.3% Samaritan @ 6.69
11 59.8% Central_Greek + 40.2% Uzbeki @ 6.73
12 53.8% Cyprian + 46.2% Uzbeki @ 6.76
13 56% East_Sicilian + 44% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.84
14 52.8% Nogay + 47.2% East_Sicilian @ 6.85
15 54% South_Italian + 46% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.04
16 54.9% Ashkenazi + 45.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.07
17 64.3% Central_Greek + 35.7% Hazara @ 7.1
18 54.8% Nogay + 45.2% South_Italian @ 7.14
19 58.8% East_Sicilian + 41.2% Uzbeki @ 7.15
20 50% Algerian_Jewish + 50% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.22

[Bosniensis]

Stop with this man. Modern Greeks and Turks are not genetically similar.

But how is it possible that 3 million of slavs are muslims yet NONE of the Greeks are. Doesn't that sound crazy a bit?
500 years and 0 converts among the Greeks? You must be kidding.

[ADonkeyBrain]

what are you talking about retard ? , Turks score the same percents of Anatolian Neolitic with English on average. 12.70 at Near East Neolithic K13. Greeks score 37.40

No need for swearing, friendo. I can't know what ails every random person on here. I'm just talking about the relative shift on the PCA of Greeks and Turks compared to Bronze Age Greek and Anatolian samples. Look at where the ancient samples plot and look where the modern ones do and to which major directions both have shifted.

If what you wrote is true (though I don't trust every random calculator and I'd have to know exactly what it means by its components) it actually seems to be making my point a bit. Greeks preserved even the local Neolithic ancestry better than Turks who changed quite a bit more. Bronze Age and Chalcolithic Anatolia (which seem to be mostly a Neolithic Anatolian + CHG mix) was way closer to the Neolithic samples than Turks who seem to have shifted towards the Transcaucasus and Central Asia on the PCA since then. Bronze Age Greece was also closer to Neolithic Anatolia than modern Greeks but Greeks have shifted less overall and more towards a Northern European direction.

Look at the new Eurogenes PCA for example:

http://i.imgur.com/HaO7ejZ.png

Turks are closer to SC Asia compared to Bronze Age Anatolians and Greeks are closer to northern Europe compared to Bronze Age Minoans and Mycenaeans. My guess is that the various northern invasions into Greece and the Turkic invasion of Anatolia (and maybe a slowly increasing CHG component before that) separated the two regions further than they used to be.

[Köstebek]

But how is it possible that 3 million of slavs are muslims yet NONE of the Greeks are. Doesn't that sound crazy a bit?
500 years and 0 converts among the Greeks? You must be kidding.

He says language and genetics are not important. He says all Greeks needs to be raised in Greece and self identified as Greek and nothing else matters. He is Cretan which is Anatolia related but afraid of being associated with it because now there is muslims in Anatolia. How can he do Bosnian and Albanian bashing based on islam if he agrees you?

[gültekin]

ah you son of a cheap fyrominian whore, sokol, this is what and Western Turk from Çanakkale-Troja scores.

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 23.12
2 West_Asian 20.92
3 West_Med 12.85
4 Baltic 12.09
5 Siberian 10.19
6 North_Atlantic 7.31
7 East_Asian 6.37
8 Red_Sea 4.52
9 South_Asian 1.52
10 Oceanian 1.08
11 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 14.61
2 Nogay 17.12
3 Turkmen 17.82
4 Central_Greek 18.13
5 Azeri 18.37
6 East_Sicilian 18.83
7 Greek_Thessaly 19.51
8 Ashkenazi 19.59
9 Italian_Abruzzo 20.16
10 South_Italian 20.19
11 Kumyk 21.17
12 West_Sicilian 21.92
13 Lebanese_Muslim 22.19
14 Bulgarian 22.39
15 Cyprian 22.46
16 Syrian 22.5
17 Sephardic_Jewish 22.59
18 Algerian_Jewish 23.33
19 Afghan_Turkmen 23.34
20 Balkar 23.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.2% Nogay + 41.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.19
2 53.7% Nogay + 46.3% Ashkenazi @ 5.36
3 51% Cyprian + 49% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.76
4 59% Nogay + 41% Italian_Jewish @ 5.79
5 59.5% Nogay + 40.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 5.8
6 60% Nogay + 40% Libyan_Jewish @ 6
7 57.5% Nogay + 42.5% Cyprian @ 6.23
8 57.7% Nogay + 42.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 6.27
9 57% Central_Greek + 43% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.65
10 62.7% Nogay + 37.3% Samaritan @ 6.69
11 59.8% Central_Greek + 40.2% Uzbeki @ 6.73
12 53.8% Cyprian + 46.2% Uzbeki @ 6.76
13 56% East_Sicilian + 44% Afghan_Turkmen @ 6.84
14 52.8% Nogay + 47.2% East_Sicilian @ 6.85
15 54% South_Italian + 46% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.04
16 54.9% Ashkenazi + 45.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.07
17 64.3% Central_Greek + 35.7% Hazara @ 7.1
18 54.8% Nogay + 45.2% South_Italian @ 7.14
19 58.8% East_Sicilian + 41.2% Uzbeki @ 7.15
20 50% Algerian_Jewish + 50% Afghan_Turkmen @ 7.22

fucking bastards, and this is my dodecad,im2from nort-west anatolia
but i now all of your arse is so much deep fucked and enlarged by Turks, you will keep chimp and shitting blood

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 34.62
2 Atlantic_Baltic 26.31
3 Southern 24.59
4 Siberian 6.46
5 East_Asian 5.22
6 South_Asian 2.74
7 African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 12.42
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.75
3 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 14.97
4 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.19
5 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 17.28
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.71
7 Adygei (HGDP) 18.25
8 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.89
9 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 18.91
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.36
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.71
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.71
13 Greek (Dodecad) 20.48
14 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 20.9
15 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 21.49
16 Cypriots (Behar) 21.59
17 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.83
18 C_Italian (Dodecad) 22.74
19 Iranian (Dodecad) 23.13
20 Lezgins (Behar) 23.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.4% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 43.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.3
2 53.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 46.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.43
3 61% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 39% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.64
4 60% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 40% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.74
5 59.8% Nogais (Yunusbayev) + 40.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.8
6 78.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 21.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.08
7 60.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 39.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 4.29
8 79.1% Turks (Behar) + 20.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 4.44

[Сербо Макеридов]

stop right now here
J2a2-PH3085,SK1403: Ancient Altai, modern Uygur and Turkish
The huge Allentoft et al. 2015 research with low-coverage genomes from 101 ancient humans from across Eurasia included two males from Altai Iron Age (900 BC to 1000 AD) in the same J2a2 haplogroup (see Altai archaeology). Even more intriguing is that the ancient genomes share unique Y-SNPs with two modern samples: one Uygur and one Turkish
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?158726-Y-DNA-Haplogroups-in-Turkic-People



hold your tits baby
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/OghuzTurks?iframe=yresults
https://i.hizliresim.com/LnXqGz.jpg

nah retard ,we have just took them in our bed

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.2% Sicilian + 48.8% Turkmen_Afghan @ 5.43
2 55.3% Sicilian + 44.7% Uzbek_Afghan @ 6.01
3 54.5% Sicilian + 45.5% Tajik_Afghan @ 6.28
4 54.7% Sicilian + 45.3% Uzbek @ 7.58
5 50.8% Greek + 49.2% Turkmen_Afghan @ 8
6 55.1% Greek + 44.9% Uzbek_Afghan @ 8.08
7 68.7% Turks_Istanbul + 31.3% Turkmen_Afghan @ 8.59
8 54.3% Greek + 45.7% Tajik_Afghan @ 8.62

Real Turkish Y DNA

J2 - 24,28%
R1b - 15,87%
G - 10,9%
E3b - 10,71%
J1 - 8,99%
R1a - 6,88%
I - 5,35%
L - 4,21%
N - 3,82%
K - 2,49%

[Сербо Макеридов]

Real Turkish Y DNA

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-20350de1bf019a11bf468b42832c85b9

[Lavrentis]

He says language and genetics are not important. He says all Greeks needs to be raised in Greece and self identified as Greek and nothing else matters. He is Cretan which is Anatolia related but afraid of being associated with it because now there is muslims in Anatolia. How can he do Bosnian and Albanian bashing based on islam if he agrees you?

I simply don't want my self and my country to be associated with Turkey, that's all. I don't care about Islam, even if Turks were Buddhists or Protestands or whatever I still wouldn't want to be associated with you.

I'm tired of OWD Turks like you who want to be associated with Greece.

And you uneducated peasant, what matters is self identification, not blood. Most Anatolian Greeks who came here in 1923 were different in many aspects but they were still Greeks because they identified as Greek. Their blood wasn't that Greek and neither their culture. They brought garbage Anatolian music here and other things.

[Köstebek]

I simply don't want my self and my country to be associated with Turkey, that's all. I don't care about Islam, even if Turks were Buddhists or Protestands or whatever I still wouldn't want to be associated with you.

I'm tired of OWD Turks like you who want to be associated with Greece.

And you uneducated peasant, what matters is self identification, not blood. Most Anatolian Greeks who came here in 1923 were different in many aspects but they were still Greeks because they identified as Greek. Their blood wasn't that Greek and neither their culture. They brought garbage Anatolian music here and other things.

To want to be associated or not doesnt change the fact of amount of your Anatolian relation. You maybe careso much what Europeans think? Anatolian Greeks blood was mixed, just like Cretan and Greece. Have you ever heard Dorians? Do you think Minoans spoke indo-Euro language? You are extremely ignorant and all you care about Europeanness.

[Köstebek]

The Anatolian Greeks WHO went to Greece until 1923 have almost no east asian mixture and never mixed with Turks also (because of the religion). So you shouldnt be afraid to be associated with them. Nothing islamic about them

[Lavrentis]

To want to be associated or not doesnt change the fact of amount of your Anatolian relation. You maybe careso much what Europeans think? Anatolian Greeks blood was mixed, just like Cretan and Greece. Have you ever heard Dorians? Do you think Minoans spoke indo-Euro language? You are extremely ignorant and all you care about Europeanness.

1)Of course I care about Europe, it is where Greece belongs and even the word 'Europe' itself is Greek. The European/Western Civilization was born in Greece.

2) I don't care about what anyone thinks.

3) How do you explain that Greeks and Turks have big genetic differences?

4) Anatolian blood being mixed has nothing to do with this discussion.

[Lavrentis]

The Anatolian Greeks WHO went to Greece until 1923 have almost no east asian mixture and never mixed with Turks also (because of the religion). So you shouldnt be afraid to be associated with them. Nothing islamic about them

Who the fuck said that I don't want to associate myself with Anatolian Greeks you lying retard? I don't like the shitty music and other Anatolian cultural aspects that they brought to Greece, I have no problem with them and I wouldn't have a problem with them if they were Muslim, I already explained to you that I don't care about Islam.

[Köstebek]

1)Of course I care about Europe, it is where Greece belongs and even the word 'Europe' itself is Greek. The European/Western Civilization was born in Greece.

2) I don't care about what anyone thinks.

3) How do you explain that Greeks and Turks have big genetic differences?

4) Anatolian blood being mixed has nothing to do with this discussion.

You say Anatolian Greeks even the christians are not Greek at all. I say its not true and they are mix. Just like you are also mix of them.

Modern populations have genetical diffirence Greece have more hunter gatherer genes flew to there and Anatolia have migrations from Iran (central asian and other stuff). Thats why each results different than eachothers. There is diverse.

[Köstebek]

You said this about Anatolian Greeks


Most Anatolian Greeks who came here in 1923 were different in many aspects but they were still Greeks because they identified as Greek. Their blood wasn't that Greek and neither their culture. They brought garbage Anatolian music here and other things.

[Bosniensis]

Who the fuck said that I don't want to associate myself with Anatolian Greeks you lying retard? I don't like the shitty music and other Anatolian cultural aspects that they brought to Greece, I have no problem with them and I wouldn't have a problem with them if they were Muslim, I already explained to you that I don't care about Islam.

So you are not a Nationalist but religious fanatic.

If you don't care there are those who care.

Islam is not a culture but a belief, no matter how it is presented by Arabs or Turks.

Greeks have already changed religion few times, why are you bothered by muslims? Cause you don't agree with them?

Where is your sense for freedom of religion?

Also if there are more muslim Greeks in Anatolia than Orthodox Greeks you might find yourself in minorty one day when they wake
up from Turkic yoke.

[Köstebek]

If Anatolian genes were nothing related with the early Greeks and their cultures, then what makes you as a Cretan? You maybe think ancient Cretans came to Crete from Sweden?

[Lavrentis]

You say Anatolian Greeks even the christians are not Greek at all. I say its not true and they are mix. Just like you are also mix of them.

Modern populations have genetical diffirence Greece have more hunter gatherer genes flew to there and Anatolia have migrations from Iran (central asian and other stuff). Thats why each results different than eachothers. There is diverse.

I'm saying this for the last time: I consider Anatolian Greeks to be Greek since they identify as Greek.

[Köstebek]

Also if there are more muslim Greeks in Anatolia than Orthodox Greeks you might find yourself in minorty one day when they wake
up from Turkic yoke.

The christian Anatolian Greeks and Turkishs genetically closer than Greeks in Greece. That disturbs him, so he says they are also not Greek

[Köstebek]

I'm saying this for the last time: I consider Anatolian Greeks to be Greek since they identify as Greek.

If Anatolian Greek is GReek only because you identify them so, it should also apply for Cretans. As you have much gene from Anatolia also

[Lavrentis]

If Anatolian genes were nothing related with the early Greeks and their cultures, then what makes you as a Cretan? You maybe think ancient Cretans came to Crete from Sweden?

1)Anatolian Greeks were Hellenized from the Antiquity.

2) When did I say that Cretans came from Sweden? You're just butthurt that I don't want to associate myself with your country that you bring Nordicism and Sweden to this.

3) In Crete was born one of the first European civilizations, the Minoan Civilization.

[Bosniensis]

The christian Anatolian Greeks and Turkishs genetically closer than Greeks in Greece. That disturbs him, so he says they are also not Greek

I am 100% sure than one day modern concept of Nations is going to collapse. Technology will become even more advanced that you will be able to identify your ancestry in 2 min.

Can you imagine out of 100mil Turks, Syrians, Egyptians, Tunisians how many Hellenic Greeks are among them?

They might all identify themselves as Greeks (because they are).

Modern Greece is just an Orthodox Community of Greeks.

[Lavrentis]

If Anatolian Greek is GReek only because you identify them so, it should also apply for Cretans. As you have much gene from Anatolia also

Stop with this bullshit, you're gaining nothing by lying. Cretans are not genetically Anatolian, and even if they were, they would still be Greeks with a Greek culture.

[Köstebek]

1)Anatolian Greeks were Hellenized from the Antiquity,

2) When did I say that Cretans came from Sweden? You're just butthurt that I don't want to associate myself with your country that you bring Nordicism and Sweden to this.

3) In Crete was born one of the first European civilizations, the Minoan Civilization.

I agree Anatolian Greeks were assimilated mostly. But you also have genes from them. What that makes you?
Minoans certainly indo Euro speakers? hmm, not

[Köstebek]

Stop with this bullshit, you're gaining nothing by lying. Cretans are not genetically Anatolian, and even if they were, they would still be Greeks with a Greek culture.

You are more hunter mix and Anatolia is more caucasus mix in fact (christians). You are related

[Lavrentis]

So you are not a Nationalist but religious fanatic.

If you don't care there are those who care.

Islam is not a culture but a belief, no matter how it is presented by Arabs or Turks.

Greeks have already changed religion few times, why are you bothered by muslims? Cause you don't agree with them?

Where is your sense for freedom of religion?

Also if there are more muslim Greeks in Anatolia than Orthodox Greeks you might find yourself in minorty one day when they wake
up from Turkic yoke.

What the fuck are you talking about? First of all I'm an atheist, and second, let me quote you a previous comment of mine:


I simply don't want my self and my country to be associated with Turkey, that's all. I don't care about Islam, even if Turks were Buddhists or Protestands or whatever I still wouldn't want to be associated with you.

I'm tired of OWD Turks like you who want to be associated with Greece.

And you uneducated peasant, what matters is self identification, not blood. Most Anatolian Greeks who came here in 1923 were different in many aspects but they were still Greeks because they identified as Greek. Their blood wasn't that Greek and neither their culture. They brought garbage Anatolian music here and other things.

Greeks have changed religion only one time btw.

[Köstebek]

I am 100% sure than one day modern concept of Nations is going to collapse. Technology will become even more advanced that you will be able to identify your ancestry in 2 min.

Can you imagine out of 100mil Turks, Syrians, Egyptians, Tunisians how many Hellenic Greeks are among them?

They might all identify themselves as Greeks (because they are).

Modern Greece is just an Orthodox Community of Greeks.

To be honest, my Greek speaking side had never identified themselves as Greek. I made this profile like this to annoy the Greeks. They identified themselves as Romeyka/Rum.
Ethnic identity is complicated concept and morons like Levrentis trying to manipulate it for their own favour.

The ones WHO came to Greece from Anatolia was richer ones in Anatolia, so the Greeks were jealous of them. That was the bashing about. Now its not even socially permitted to say they are not Greek.

[Lavrentis]

I agree Anatolian Greeks were assimilated mostly. But you also have genes from them. What that makes you?
Minoans certainly indo Euro speakers? hmm, not


You are more hunter mix and Anatolia is more caucasus mix in fact (christians). You are related

You are deliberately simplifying the genetic differences in order to appear correct.

[Babak]

Steppe theory becoming more and more less convincing

[gültekin]

To be honest, my Greek speaking side had never identified themselves as Greek. I made this profile like this to annoy the Greeks. They identified themselves as Romeyka/Rum.
Ethnic identity is complicated concept and morons like Levrentis trying to manipulate it for their own favour.

The ones WHO came to Greece from Anatolia was richer ones in Anatolia, so the Greeks were jealous of them. That was the bashing about. Now its not even socially permitted to say they are not Greek.
you are not greek you dump whore, even an Kurd from deep Hakkari is closer to greeks then you , you stupid Laz imbecile

[Lavrentis]

To be honest, my Greek speaking side had never identified themselves as Greek. I made this profile like this to annoy the Greeks. They identified themselves as Romeyka/Rum.
Ethnic identity is complicated concept and morons like Levrentis trying to manipulate it for their own favour.

The ones WHO came to Greece from Anatolia was richer ones in Anatolia, so the Greeks were jealous of them. That was the bashing about. Now its not even socially permitted to say they are not Greek.

1) You are not Greek, you are an OWD Turk who wishes that he was Greek. There are lots of Turks like that. It's sad.

2) How am I manipulating you uneducated retard? The concept of ethnic identity is moslt based on self-identification.

[Lavrentis]

The ones WHO came to Greece from Anatolia was richer ones in Anatolia, so the Greeks were jealous of them. That was the bashing about. Now its not even socially permitted to say they are not Greek.

What the fuck are you talking about? But you will very rarely find a Greek who will say that Anatolian Greeks are not Greek.

[Köstebek]

1) You are not Greek, you are an OWD Turk who wishes that he was Greek. There are lots of Turks like that. It's sad to see it.

2) How am I manipulating you uneducated retard? The concept of ethnic identity is moslt based on self-identification.

Gypsy identify himself Greek is a Greek? ethnic belonging comes with language priorly. I identify myself however I want. Your permission not needed dark gypsy

[Köstebek]

What the fuck are you talking about? But you will very rarely find a Greek who will say that Anatolian Greeks are not Greek.

I found you

[ADonkeyBrain]

Köstebek and Lavrentis are just talking at cross-purposes and misunderstanding each other partly due to using similar terms with very different understandings. But I get Köstebek's points and I assume she generally agreed with my rough explanation on that post.

Either way, why not just drop it and move away, you aren't getting anywhere and just repeating yourselves.

[Köstebek]

Köstebek and Lavrentis are just talking at cross-purposes and misunderstanding each other partly due to using similar terms with very different understandings. But I get Köstebek's points and I assume she generally agreed with my rough explanation on that post.

Either way, why not just drop it and move away, you aren't getting anywhere and just repeating yourselves.

He is bias he says his identification has nothing to do with religion, sometimes says its not blood, sometimes it says blood has nothing to do with Anatolia. Then reject what he has said and all the way back starts all over again.

All I understand he somehow dont want any connection with Anatolia because of Turk muslim state. Thats the only thing sure

[Lavrentis]

Gypsy identify himself Greek is a Greek? ethnic belonging comes with language priorly. I identify myself however I want. Your permission not needed dark gypsy

1)If that gypsy can speak Greek and is an obiding citizen then I consider him a Greek.

2)Language is different from blood, and blood is doesn't matter in self identification.

3)You are not Greek no matter how much you want it. Not you, and not all those Greek-wannabes from Turkey.

[nightrider+]

Either way, why not just drop it and move away, you aren't getting anywhere and just repeating yourselves.

Because Kostebek is a troll and Levantis is an easily trollable dumbfuck.

[Lavrentis]

Gultekin boy, this is how proud Turks are. Retards like Kostebek who wish that they were Greek are easily found in Turkey. Your own countrymen prove me right.

[Lavrentis]

I found you

I never said that Anatolian Greeks are not Greek.

[Babak]

yea, but the persian gypsy trying to imply they came from iran :rolleyes:

You dumbfuck, the majority of Iranians are of J2 haplogroup.

[Lavrentis]

He is bias he says his identification has nothing to do with religion, sometimes says its not blood, sometimes it says blood has nothing to do with Anatolia. Then reject what he has said and all the way back starts all over again.

All I understand he somehow dont want any connection with Anatolia because of Turk muslim state. Thats the only thing sure

1) Religion used to matter in self-identification, now it doesn't.

2)Blood never mattered in self-identification.

[Köstebek]

I never said that Anatolian Greeks are not Greek.

Are Albanians in Greece are Greek?

[Köstebek]

1) Religion used to matter in self-identification, now it doesn't.

2)Blood never mattered in self-identification.

I agree but I find it hard to believe you really think so

[Lavrentis]

Because Kostebek is a troll and Levantis is an easily trollable dumbfuck.

"Assimilated" Anatolian, I know that this Kostebek retard is a troll but despite her trolling, it is obvious that he is desperate to associate himself with Greece, as do many Turks.

[Bosniensis]

I agree but I find it hard to believe you really think so

Truth is many Non-Turks are brainwashed into being Turks.

I personally know few Serbs who call themselves Turks? They say... Well we live in Turkey :picard2:

[Lavrentis]

Are Albanians in Greece are Greek?

Those who identify as Greek and have a Greek passport. Most of them feel Albanian though.

[Lavrentis]

I agree but I find it hard to believe you really think so

I don't care about what you think.

[Köstebek]

1) Religion used to matter in self-identification, now it doesn't.

2)Blood never mattered in self-identification.

Then why you say "you are not Greek" when I identify myself Pontian. It has nohing to do with Greece or its law. My family identify itself that way. Why it has to change by your views?
Did I say I was a Greek citizen?

[Lavrentis]

Then why you say "you are not Greek" when I identify myself Pontian. It has nohing to do with Greece or its law. My family identify itself that way. Why it has to change by your views?
Did I say I was a Greek citizen?

You cannot even speak Greek, and you are not raised in Greece. You are just a Greek-wannabe. Of course you are not Greek.

[Köstebek]

Truth is many Non-Turks are brainwashed into being Turks.

I personally know few Serbs who call themselves Turks? They say... Well we live in Turkey :picard2:

Bosniak and Albanians in Turkey dont even speak their language or teach to kids, they dislike being associated with christian anything.

[Köstebek]

You cannot even speak Greek, and you are not raised in Greece. You are just a Greek-wannabe. Of course you are not Greek.

I will keep saying Im Greek in this forum. goodluck to u hahaha

[Babak]

Does this mean that his calculators are worthless?

Yeeeeppp.

[Lavrentis]

I will keep saying Im Greek in this forum. goodluck to u hahaha

I couldn't care less. The only people who will be triggered by this will be some Turkish users here who told me that Turks don't want to be associated with Greece, when it's the opposite for a good number of Turks. Your presence in this Forum will just prove that I'm right.

[Voskos]

I will keep saying Im Greek in this forum. goodluck to u hahaha

Do your people speak Rumca ?

[Ylla]

I didn't expect U5a1 mtdna. I thought it was steppe related. Really cool.

[ADonkeyBrain]

He...

He has no coherent views (or at least can't communicate them effectively) so to speak which just further complicates things. Just stop egging him on and that's that.

[Lavrentis]

He has no coherent views (or at least can't communicate them effectively) so to speak which just further complicates things. Just stop egging him on and that's that.

What points of mine you didn't understood?

[Proto-Shaman]

No. Japhetites are R1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah

[Sikeliot]

-Sikeliot: "but the PCA." Using these genomes, Sicilians can be modelled well with extra Levantine that Greeks lack and much less actual Mycenaean than Greeks. But yeah they are close on a PCA and share general ancestry too. Still, gotta look at the whole picture.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217159-nMonte-simulations-for-Sicilians-Greeks-based-on-Mycenaean-DNA

Actually yes. Sicilians come up a mix of Italic, Mycenaean and Levantine. The Levantine is strong in western Sicily but Mycenaean weak there, actually. Eastern and inland Sicily are more Mycenaean.

[Köstebek]

I couldn't care less. The only people who will be triggered by this will be some Turkish users here who told me that Turks don't want to be associated with Greece, when it's the opposite for a good number of Turks. Your presence in this Forum will just prove that I'm right.

lol I can see you dont care. You cant stop shouting butthurt. You are freaked out. You are OWD one if Europeans learn there are Anatolian connection with Greek presence and language

[Köstebek]

The First Cretan's origins

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4750460/Ancient-DNA-analysis-reveals-Minoan-Mycenaean-origins.html

[Queen B]

And you uneducated peasant, what matters is self identification, not blood. Most Anatolian Greeks who came here in 1923 were different in many aspects but they were still Greeks because they identified as Greek. Their blood wasn't that Greek and neither their culture. They brought garbage Anatolian music here and other things.
No Lavrenti. The Anatolian Greeks (Asia Minor and Konstantinopole Greeks) were that Greek. Many results here prove this.


The ones WHO came to Greece from Anatolia was richer ones in Anatolia, so the Greeks were jealous of them. That was the bashing about. Now its not even socially permitted to say they are not Greek.
They came from Anatolia with nothing in their pockets.

But how is it possible that 3 million of slavs are muslims yet NONE of the Greeks are. Doesn't that sound crazy a bit?500 years and 0 converts among the Greeks? You must be kidding. There probably were some converts, but an insignificant number.Why it is hard for you to believe it ? Greeks weren't the only ones under Ottomans that didn't convert. Other nations didn't too.