Ashkenazi VS Sephardic IQ gap

[mieret]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-100766.html
I was reading this old thread today, raising the question about why ashkenazi jews are so notoriously smart while the other branches are far behind, and I thought it is a pity that there weren't any serious answers(just the typical bringing it all down to what I call the "north over south; both cromagnoid&neanderthal admixture; clear of negroid influence, blabla.." wild card)

While on the other hand, nobody brought up this article which I find way more scientific than all the chit-chat, and which makes very interesting points
More or less, it proposes that Ashkenazi jews in particular endured some very special circumstances for a long time(1000 years) which resulted in a natural selection of the more IQ favorable variants. It does so after analyzing a group of conditions that are known to be more prevalent in this group, which indicate that this group has undergone a strong genetic selection mechanism

https://web.archive.org/web/20130911054719/http://harpending.humanevo.utah.edu/Documents/ashkiq.webpub.pdf
Here is the summary:
Summary. This paper elaborates the hypothesis that the unique demography
and sociology of Ashkenazim in medieval Europe selected for intelligence.
Ashkenazi literacy, economic specialization, and closure to inward gene flow
led to a social environment in which there was high fitness payoff to
intelligence, specifically verbal and mathematical intelligence but not spatial
ability. As with any regime of strong directional selection on a quantitative
trait, genetic variants that were otherwise fitness reducing rose in frequency.
In particular we propose that the well-known clusters of Ashkenazi genetic
diseases, the sphingolipid cluster and the DNA repair cluster in particular,
increase intelligence in heterozygotes. Other Ashkenazi disorders are known
to increase intelligence. Although these disorders have been attributed to a
bottleneck in Ashkenazi history and consequent genetic drift, there is no
evidence of any bottleneck. Gene frequencies at a large number of autosomal
loci show that if there was a bottleneck then subsequent gene flow from
Europeans must have been very large, obliterating the effects of any
bottleneck. The clustering of the disorders in only a few pathways and the
presence at elevated frequency of more than one deleterious allele at many of
them could not have been produced by drift. Instead these are signatures of
strong and recent natural selection



I don't know if this is the best section for this topic, correct me if it isn't

[Cristiano viejo]

Until recently, Sephardis looked down Ashkenazis intellectually speaking.

[Vascontelo]

Of course not. It's just a perception because askenazies are, nowdays, a very strong group. And sephardies are practically a extinct group. In the past, when they were living in Spain i'm pretty sure they were a very smart group and they proved it too in netherlands. But now, there is too few sephardics and mostly of them are mixing with askenazis.

[mieret]

Of course not. It's just a perception because askenazies are, nowdays, a very strong group. And sephardies are practically a extinct group. In the past, when they were living in Spain i'm pretty sure they were a very smart group and they proved it too in netherlands. But now, there is too few sephardics and mostly of them are mixing with askenazis.

Yes, that makes a lot of sense too. I think that one of the problems when they study sephardies nowaday is that what they include in this group now have little to do with the original Iberian peninsula sephardies of the medieval ages; which are especially difficult to trace since they were kicked out in the XV century

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, that makes a lot of sense too. I think that one of the problems when they study sephardies nowaday is that what they include in this group now have little to do with the original Iberian peninsula sephardies of the medieval ages; which are especially difficult to trace since they were kicked out in the XV century

Not too expert in Sephardi people but according the Spanish media there are tons of them living in North Africa, Turkey, Israel and USA.
I mean direct descendants of those who were expelled of Spain.

[Rethel]

Explanation is simply: AJ have more IE admix. Thats all.

[Wadaad]

Sephardis saw the world, traded in maritime ventures and had agents in Amsterdam, Lisbon, the New World, Istanbul, etc. by the 1600s.

Ashkenazis were seen as ghetto-stuck hicks. Only Zionism (which was a movement that developed out of these e.european ghettoes) and the emancipation of Ashkenazi by the czar of Russia so they could migrate to Germany and France in the 1800s, improved things for ashkenazi...now they are trying to redress history and make those centuries of Ghetto-life some kind of IQ incubator/fuel...just lol.

[Insuperable]

Explanation is simply: AJ have more IE admix. Thats all.

And R1ethel being the prime example of IE intelligence.

[Longbowman]

Western Sephardim (Marranos), and we are indeed very admixed, were the dominant power for a few centuries. Now it's their turn.

Eastern and North African Sephardim are nowhere near extinct, and there are many 'pure' examples, but they never achieved our wealth and power, although the ones in Smyrna/Constantinople did achieve much.


Explanation is simply: AJ have more IE admix. Thats all.

WHG:

Sephardim: 16%. IQ: 100
Ashkenazim: 19%. IQ: 115
Smolensk: 48%. IQ: 97
Beijing: 0%. IQ: 112

And R1 is less common amongst them, too...

[Petalpusher]

Western Sephardim (Marranos), and we are indeed very admixed, were the dominant power for a few centuries. Now it's their turn.

Eastern and North African Sephardim are nowhere near extinct, and there are many 'pure' examples, but they never achieved our wealth and power, although the ones in Smyrna/Constantinople did achieve much.



WHG:

Sephardim: 16%. IQ: 100
Ashkenazim: 19%. IQ: 115
Smolensk: 48%. IQ: 97
Beijing: 0%. IQ: 112

And R1 is less common amongst them, too...

You know better IE admix doesn't equate WHG, although im sure it's just to piss off Rethel (which i always support of course)

[Smeagol]

Obviously it's not IE admixture considering ashkenazis have higher IQ than all IE ethnic groups.

[Longbowman]

You know better IE admix doesn't equate WHG, although im sure it's just to piss off Rethel (which i always support of course)

R1:

Sephardim: 20-25%. IQ: 100
Ashkenazim: 15-20%. IQ: 115
Smolensk: 60-70%. IQ: 97
NW India: 70-80%. IQ: 85
Beijing: 0%. IQ: 112

[Petalpusher]

R1:

Sephardim: 20-25%. IQ: 100
Ashkenazim: 15-20%. IQ: 115
Smolensk: 60-70%. IQ: 97
NW India: 70-80%. IQ: 85
Beijing: 0%. IQ: 112

I see you always look to widen your friend circle on the board by adding "NW India", i should have thought of this before. There are more R1 in Sephardi than Ashkenazi? i wasn't aware of that and find it surprising. However i agree in general R1 must not have been the brightest of the bunch for their time anyway, so Rethel point was moot as usual, like even R1 Cameroon is not brighter than E1 Cameroon, just the same.

[Longbowman]

I see you always look to widen your friend circle on the board by adding "NW India", i should have thought of this before. There are more R1 in Sephardi than Ashkenazi? i wasn't aware of that and find it surprising. However i agree in general R1 must not have been the brightest of the bunch for their time anyway, so Rethel point was moot as usual, like even R1 Cameroon is not brighter than E1 Cameroon, just the same.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771134/

Significantly more common (particularly R1b) amongst non-Ashkenazim.

[Cristiano viejo]

R1:

Sephardim: 20-25%. IQ: 100
Ashkenazim: 15-20%. IQ: 115
Smolensk: 60-70%. IQ: 97
NW India: 70-80%. IQ: 85
Beijing: 0%. IQ: 112
Spain: 70-80%. IQ: 99

[Fractal]

Spain: 70-80%. IQ: 99

Spanish contributions to science/technology: 0

[Kamal900]

Obviously it's not IE admixture considering ashkenazis have higher IQ than all IE ethnic groups.

I believe the average IQ level among the Ashkenazi Jews is 115, yes.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spanish contributions to science/technology: 0

Still much more than your 1000 millions of cows worshippers.
Because owning motels does not count as contribution to science, true curry girl? :D

[Rethel]

WHG:

Since when WHG is exclusivly an IE factor? :picard2:


And R1 is less common amongst them, too...

Do you suggest, that IQ can be combined with hg? :laugh:

[Rethel]

Obviously it's not IE admixture considering ashkenazis have higher IQ than all IE ethnic groups.


And Europeans have higher IQ than all MENA and South asian
groups, also higher, than all other jewish groups exept Ashkenazis.
So, the only factor which is different is the fact that they were from
Central Europe and they absobred the local admix, which is not present
among other jewish groups plus some selectional factor in small population
did the job which became present later in large one.

[Rethel]

R1:

Sephardim: 20-25%. IQ: 100
Ashkenazim: 15-20%. IQ: 115
Smolensk: 60-70%. IQ: 97
NW India: 70-80%. IQ: 85
Beijing: 0%. IQ: 112

:picard2:

[Rethel]

I see you always look to widen your friend circle on the board by adding "NW India", i should have thought of this before. There are more R1 in Sephardi than Ashkenazi? i wasn't aware of that and find it surprising. However i agree in general R1 must not have been the brightest of the bunch for their time anyway, so Rethel point was moot as usual, like even R1 Cameroon is not brighter than E1 Cameroon, just the same.

And you read as brightly as usual. Where I wrote something about R1? :picard2:

[Jana]

Sephardis saw the world, traded in maritime ventures and had agents in Amsterdam, Lisbon, the New World, Istanbul, etc. by the 1600s.

Ashkenazis were seen as ghetto-stuck hicks. Only Zionism (which was a movement that developed out of these e.european ghettoes) and the emancipation of Ashkenazi by the czar of Russia so they could migrate to Germany and France in the 1800s, improved things for ashkenazi...now they are trying to redress history and make those centuries of Ghetto-life some kind of IQ incubator/fuel...just lol.

Absolutely. Sephardics were always elite of the Jewish peoples.

[crazyladybutterfly]

italian jews , who are sephardis, made up a great contribution to both italian culture and science despite being a very small minority.

in spain they used to have a great social position , the converted ones had an important role in the inquisition

[Rethel]

Absolutely. Sephardics were always elite of the Jewish peoples.

Becasue have more R1 :p

[Cristiano viejo]

italian jews , who are sephardis, made up a great contribution to both italian culture and science despite being a very small minority.

in spain they used to have a great social position ,

True.


the converted ones had an important role in the inquisition
Not true. If you talk about the famous inquisitor Tomás de Torquemada, he was not really Jew, it is a myth (same than Hitler being Jew, gay and these kinf od difamations).

[Longbowman]

Since when WHG is exclusivly an IE factor? :picard2:

It's correlated with IE-related admixture in Europeans. Sephardics have about the same steppe admixture as Ashkenazis.


Do you suggest, that IQ can be combined with hg? :laugh:

If IE = high IQ and IE = R1 then it must be so.

[Longbowman]

Becasue have more R1 :p

Just like our famous cousins, the Northern Cameroonians.

[Rethel]

Just like our famous cousins, the Northern Cameroonians.

This Cameroon is true, but overrated. Tests were made in small villages
on the probe of 4-8-12-20-30 people. And btw, the tribes with highest
percentages of R1, are these, who had highest political achevments in
the past, and have coincidently interesting names like Hausa or Wandal. :p


It's correlated with IE-related admixture in Europeans. Sephardics have about the same steppe admixture as Ashkenazis.

Nevertheless, only polish and the whitest Jews have the higehst IQ.
Only geographical area and different racial admix is what make them different from the rest.
So it has to be something combind with this - tertium non datur.


If IE = high IQ and IE = R1 then it must be so.

Context is quite clear of what I said.


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=10154&dateline=1502419350

Did you became a member of the Sect of Cyclopes? :laugh:
Btw, the eye is too much IE as for true jew... :p

[Longbowman]

This Cameroon is true, but overrated. Tests were made in small villages
on the probe of 4-8-12-20-30 people. And btw, the tribes with highest
percentages of R1, are these, who had highest political achevments in
the past, and have coincidently interesting names like Hausa or Wandal. :p

Are those villages the sources of great geniuses?


Nevertheless, only polish and the whitest Jews have the higehst IQ.

East Asians have higher IQs than Europeans. You are #3 on a rather short list. Italians score higher than most Northern Europeans too.


Only geographical area and different racial admix is what make them different from the rest.
So it has to be something combind with this - tertium non datur.

Pls explain Chinese superiority.


Did you became a member of the Sect of Cyclopes? :laugh:
Btw, the eye is too much IE as for true jew... :p

Not blue - not IE.

[Rethel]

Are those villages the sources of great geniuses?

In the past, who knows... it is enaugh for them to be 85 for geniusness, when all around have 70...


East Asians have higher IQs than Europeans. You are #3 on a rather short list. Italians score higher than most Northern Europeans too.

Today.
But still higher IQ happened here, not anywhere elswhere...


Pls explain Chinese superiority.

Rather explain China's and jewish inferiority having higher IQ...
IQ it is not enaugh...


Not blue - not IE.

Did you read too much this scandish freak? :laugh:

Green are IE as well as blue.
You have hazel - some greenish in it.
You are contaminated :p

True jewish eyes... (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vGHCBZ3vZUw/VDQ8EDmBUAI/AAAAAAAAATk/NKfZs3zuMzM/s1600/Sarah_Silverman_(Tribeca_Film_Festival).jpg)

[Danaan]

Maybe Hitler helped. Because those who were smarter (and richer) were more likely to survive the Holocaust.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Pls explain Chinese superiority.



IQ is not the best measure of intelligence possible. Chinese superiority how ? Superiority on a test ? France, Britain, Germany and Italy all have more human accomplishments in the arts and sciences than the Chinese and the population of China (average 'IQ' 106) dwarfs that of these populations. Obviously, the culture is important too and Western culture is superior to Eastern culture that is perhaps an explanation. However, the scientist Michio Kaku in his book "The Future of the Mind" does a pretty good job of eviscerating the concept of IQ as a valid measure of intelligence. Just like genetics went through a Golden age in in the 90s, with the human genome project, neuroscience is now in a golden age with the BRAIN project etc... and in the future we are likely to have better measures of intelligence than the flawed concept of IQ.


You rest too much on your laurels based on your IQ score. Rest instead on real world accomplishments then I might start to listen to you. Your IQ score gives you no authority with me. It might with other fools, though.

[Rethel]

Obviously, the culture is important too

And culture is based on religion which people belive in.
If you belive in fictional gods or demons having wrong
ideas and laws, then you will fail. If you belive in the
best religion, and in the Only True God, having and
observing right ideas and laws, then you will prosper.

And europeans did it (even with couple of
theological errors) - others did not at all.

[TEUTORIGOS]

IQ is a myth study says :

http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(12)00584-3

The idea that intelligence can be measured by a single number — your IQ — is wrong, according to a recent study led by researchers at the University of Western Ontario (abstract). The study, published in the journal Neuron on Wednesday, involved 100,000 participants around the world taking 12 cognitive tests, with a smaller sample of the group undergoing simultaneous brain-scan testing. 'When we looked at the data, the bottom line is the whole concept of IQ — or of you having a higher IQ than me — is a myth,' said Dr. Adrian Owen, the study’s senior investigator... 'There is no such thing as a single measure of IQ or a measure of general intelligence'.

Now, this study by itself might not prove anything but when we take into consideration books like Michio Kaku's "Future of the Mind" and other studies like this we start to see IQ is at worst a myth and at best obsolete :

Goodbye, IQ Tests: Brain Imaging Predicts Intelligence Levels :

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/32/26/8988


Research from Washington University in St. Louis has identified variations in brain scans that they believe identify portions of the brain that are responsible for intelligence. As suspected (and as explained by cartoons) brain size does play a small role; they said that brain size accounts for 6.7 percent of variance in intelligence. Recent research has placed the brain's prefrontal cortex, a region just behind the forehead, as providing for 5 percent of the variation in intelligence between people. The research from Washington University targets the left prefrontal cortex, and the strength of neural connections that it has to the rest of the brain. They think these differences account for 10 percent of differences in intelligence among people. The study is the first to connect those differences to intelligence in people.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Q.E.D

RIP (rest in peace) IQ
RIP Longbowman

We shall soon have a wake and funeral for Longbowman and his so called superior "IQ". Neuroscience has made the concept of IQ obsolete.

[Harkonnen]

And culture is based on religion which people belive in.
If you belive in fictional gods or demons having wrong
ideas and laws, then you will fail. If you belive in the
best religion, and in the Only True God, having and
observing right ideas and laws, then you will prosper.

And europeans did it (even with couple of
theological errors) - others did not at all.

Your R1a1-Christian culture is a culture of whores and uneducated alcoholics. I could right now walk 500 metres and go fuck some R1a1-bitch for 50 bucks.

Your god has failed you.

[Rethel]

Your god has failed you.

No! Rather christians faild him :pout:

But soon, these apostatic christians
the same as you pagans, will be judge
by the God Allmighty and his Son.

[Harkonnen]

No! Rather christians faild him :pout:

R1a1 Christian-patriarchy in action:

https://www.nextquotidiano.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/prostitute-a-roma1.jpg

SLAVA STRONK

[Petalpusher]

IQ is not the best measure of intelligence possible. Chinese superiority how ? Superiority on a test ? France, Britain, Germany and Italy all have more human accomplishments in the arts and sciences than the Chinese and the population of China (average 'IQ' 106) dwarfs that of these populations. Obviously, the culture is important too and Western culture is superior to Eastern culture that is perhaps an explanation. However, the scientist Michio Kaku in his book "The Future of the Mind" does a pretty good job of eviscerating the concept of IQ as a valid measure of intelligence. Just like genetics went through a Golden age in in the 90s, with the human genome project, neuroscience is now in a golden age with the BRAIN project etc... and in the future we are likely to have better measures of intelligence than the flawed concept of IQ.



I don't think it's the culture. Averages are irelevant for "achievements", the 110/120 while very useful won't revolutionize anything, having a high average makes good functionning societies but it's the top 10/20/30 percentile that matters, although you can argue maybe in a way a high average enables the top percentile to function better in a safer, stable environement. Most of the economy is driven and controlled by top percentiles, while the 1/2% brings home nobels and generally fundamental advancements. East Asians only have higher averages but peak lower.

[Harkonnen]

No! Rather christians faild him :pout:



That is just yout in-born slave-mentality speaking. For me, gods work for me, and if they fail me, I spit on their faces.

Anyway, Rethel, who failed those Slavic whores? I think they need new Masters as their men are absolute worthless scum.

[Longbowman]

In the past, who knows... it is enaugh for them to be 85 for geniusness, when all around have 70...

You just made this up, however.


Today.
But still higher IQ happened here, not anywhere elswhere...

?


Rather explain China's and jewish inferiority having higher IQ...
IQ it is not enaugh...

In what way is China inferior to Poland? In what way are Jews inferior to Europeans, except numerically? You yourself believe we are destroying you and you outnumber us literally 100 to 1. You can't expound anti-Semitic theories like that and believe we're 'inferior.' You're inferior by definition.


Did you read too much this scandish freak? :laugh:

Green are IE as well as blue.
You have hazel - some greenish in it.
You are contaminated :p

True jewish eyes... (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vGHCBZ3vZUw/VDQ8EDmBUAI/AAAAAAAAATk/NKfZs3zuMzM/s1600/Sarah_Silverman_(Tribeca_Film_Festival).jpg)

It's true :( I am ashamed.

[Longbowman]

IQ is not the best measure of intelligence possible. Chinese superiority how ? Superiority on a test ? France, Britain, Germany and Italy all have more human accomplishments in the arts and sciences than the Chinese and the population of China (average 'IQ' 106) dwarfs that of these populations.

Chinese accomplishments dwarf European ones until about 1600. That's 5000 years of superiority, 400 year blip, and now back to China again.


Obviously, the culture is important too and Western culture is superior to Eastern culture that is perhaps an explanation. However, the scientist Michio Kaku in his book "The Future of the Mind" does a pretty good job of eviscerating the concept of IQ as a valid measure of intelligence. Just like genetics went through a Golden age in in the 90s, with the human genome project, neuroscience is now in a golden age with the BRAIN project etc... and in the future we are likely to have better measures of intelligence than the flawed concept of IQ.

IQ measures what it measures, it's not a perfect measure of intelligence, just some intelligences (not, for example, emotional intelligence). The sources you provided in the other post seemed to be pop-sci clickbait articles though, that don't actually support your point in any direct manner.


You rest too much on your laurels based on your IQ score. Rest instead on real world accomplishments then I might start to listen to you. Your IQ score gives you no authority with me. It might with other fools, though.

I don't value IQ like you people do, certainly like you, personally, did. You were obsessed with it for many years. When I'm 40 and fucking hookers like you, we'll see what's going on.

[Rethel]

You just made this up, however.

But true.


?

1. The difference in IQ which we know, is from now. In the past levels could be different.
2. Only Jews from Poland have higher IQ, not these from Spain, North Africa or Iraq...


In what way is China inferior to Poland?

For example, during the worst communistic times in Poland,
China was 7 times poorer than Poland - having 30 times more
people, 30 times more territory, more resources and higher IQ...


In what way are Jews inferior to Europeans, except numerically?

What did jewish civilisation achieve? How many territory did you conquer?
How many cities built? How many inventions did you made during this 1800
years of existing? How many geographical discoveries did make the jewish
civilization? How did Jews enriched other cultures? How did they modernize
other continents? What they did build for other people? What improvment
jewish civilization brought to the world since 90AD?


You yourself believe we are destroying you

Idk certainly, but some deeds of you, do witness that you are badly infuencing our world.
Nevertheless, it is only feminish scheaming causing the destruction, like Balaam Beorsson
did to the Israelites - so what is an honour or achievment in this? What wonderfull makes
it for humanity? What is a greatness in demoralization, ungatefullness and destruction of
other people, especially those who hosted you for centuries? But this evil finally will get
you also... Even the Medinat has to be support by Europeans (in lagre sense) and by the
european inventions - otherwise would fall in one day.


and you outnumber us literally 100 to 1.

This is also not on you benefit, becasue you cannot even keep your number growing.
1000 BC Israelites (which you want to have for ancestors) made 15-25% of the world's
population... plus proselytes, slaves and settled foreigners. At the start judaists had some
4-8 mln people... 1 mln in Egypt which had then 8mln people, 1 mln in Syria which had
not much more native people, in Babylonia at some point lived 3 mln Jews in late antiquity,
and some million in Arabia... until XIIth century number of Jews dropped to only one million
in the whole world - at least thrice less than Israelites who got out from Egypt some 2.5
thoudands years earlier in the Bronze Age and eight time less than in the first century.
Now you are bearly 14 mln... It means, that smartness cannot provide even children.

And btw, thou art cutting thyself out from Aschkenazim, wanting to be a Sefardian, so
you are in the less inteligent group - even in less inteligent than average European.


You can't expound anti-Semitic theories like that and believe we're 'inferior.' You're inferior by definition.

Inferior in what?


It's true :( I am ashamed.

Dont worry - if you finaly decide to be European, you
can easier hide in the crowd before zelots get you first :)

[Longbowman]

But true.

No, it's pure fiction, and you're not even pretending you didn't make it up.


1. The difference in IQ which we know, is from now. In the past levels could be different.
2. Only Jews from Poland have higher IQ, not these from Spain, North Africa or Iraq...

Proximity to the Bielowiesza forest grants intellectual superiority, but not to gentile Poles, apparently.


For example, during the worst communistic times in Poland,
China was 7 times poorer than Poland - having 30 times more
people, 30 times more territory, more resources and higher IQ...

>ignores the even worse communist times in China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong) happening at exactly the same time

only a gentile could be this ignorant. Either way China's rebound since then proves their superiority, coming back quickly from the worst of times.


What did jewish civilisation achieve?

asked the Christian


How many territory did you conquer?

Mongols confirmed for masterrace?


How many cities built?

we were building cities whilst you were fucking your horses, Pole.


How many inventions did you made during this 1800 years of existing?

thousands, literally thousands.

Just Israel, just 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries


How many geographical discoveries did make the jewish
civilization?

less than 10, same as Europeans, because you 'discovered' countries that were already populated, for the most part. Only a few small islands were truly 'discovered' by you. Jewish explorers did exist, too, like Benjamin of Tudela (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_of_Tudela), you just don't know about them, because you're an ignoramus.


How did Jews enriched other cultures?

asked the Christian

what we did was wipe them out, like in the Belgian Congo, Namibia, and the Aztec and Incan Empires. Oh wait that was you. Well at least you left those countries glorious and prosperous. Oh wait they're shitholes.

You know the 'culturally enriched' meme? That's an ironic one for WNs to wield. You leave one of two things in your wake:

1) destruction
2) a functioning white colony, with natives either marginalised, decimated, or pushed out


How did they modernize
other continents? What they did build for other people?

If you want to take responsibility for Africa, please, be my guest.


What improvment
jewish civilization brought to the world since 90AD?

Countless thousands. For example we eradicated polio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk). Of course you could say 'but that's really our achievement because we destroyed your nation and you had to live amongst us until 1948' but that would be typical of your disingenuity.


Idk certainly, but some deeds of you, do witness that you are badly infuencing our world.
Nevertheless, it is only feminish scheaming causing the destruction, like Balaam Beorsson
did to the Israelites - so what is an honour or achievment in this? What wonderfull makes
it for humanity? What is a greatness in demoralization, ungatefullness and destruction of
other people, especially those who hosted you for centuries? But this evil finally will get
you also... Even the Medinat has to be support by Europeans (in lagre sense) and by the
european inventions - otherwise would fall in one day.

No race in the world will ever show 'gratitude' to Europeans, as Europeans do not deserve it. European inventions such as what? I'm genuinely curious.


This is also not on you benefit, becasue you cannot even keep your number growing.
1000 BC Israelites (which you want to have for ancestors) made 15-25% of the world's
population... plus proselites, slaves and settled foreigners. At the start judaists had some
4-8 mln people... 1 mln in Egypt which had then 8mln people, 1 mln in Syria which had
not much more native people, in babylonia at some poit lived 3 mln Jews in late antiquity,
and some million in Arabia... until XII century number of Jews dropped to only one million
in the whole world - at least thrice less than Israelites who got out from Egypt some 2.5
thoudands years earlier in the Bronze Age and eight time less than in the first century.
Now you are bearly 14 mln... It means, that smartness cannot provide even children.

>believing biblical figures

either way the current figures are: Jews growing quickly, Europeans falling quickly.


And btw, you are cutting yourself out from Aschkenazim, wanting to be a Sefardian, so
you are in the less inteligent group - even in less inteligent than average European.

Sefardim are more intelligent than the average European, but this is immaterial to the point. You're thinking of Mizra7im.


Inferior in what?

Every aspect except numbers. Name one and I'll explain how.


dont worry - if you finaly decide to be European, you can easier hide in the crowd :)

We both know that by 2050 Europeans will be practically extinct and looking like one might get me beaten up.

[Rethel]

Chinese accomplishments dwarf European ones until about 1600.

I do not think if it can be even compare.
China did not have Muslim invasion through thousand year.
And the fact is, that "superior" china did not got to Europe,
but euroe got to China... and later patitionate her...


That's 5000 years of superiority,

:picard2:

History of china, as a civilisation started from the first Shi-Huangdi.
earlier it was just a small local kingdom, before 1600 - having a size
of small county, which the only achievemt of was, planting the rice.
There is no 5000 years,. It is a myth.


400 year blip, and now back to China again.

China is growing becasue of european inventions and investments.
There is nothing chinese in china now. All what they are able to do,
is coping from europeans. Even japanese hight-tech is made by the
similar way. China is going to decline, and sooner of later will emerged
the clash of civilisations, and knowing russian or american capibilities,
China will be wiped out from the face of the earth. And they are just
before demographic catastrophy which was created by their clever IQ. :picard2:


IQ measures what it measures,

Just how fast somebody can use his brain.
If someone is stupid, he will use his inteligence for stupidity, and make her bigger.
If someone is wise, he will use his inteligence for wisdom, and make it bigger (or not).
If someone is wicked, he will use his inteligence for greater wickendenss...
If someone is creative, he will use his inteligence for some inventions... (or not).

Even Einstin could be a very inteligent drunkard, if he would chose it.
So, IQ would give him nothing. Btw, his life was a total mess, and his
IQ gave him nothing (exept one or two theories which he predicted
correctly). And from inteligent point of niew, he couldn't make some
subjects in scholl, and he never learnd foreign language. Even english,
living in the US, btw for 20 years.

[Longbowman]

I do not think if it can be even compare.
China did not have Muslim invasion through thousand year.
And the fact is, that "superior" china did not got to Europe,
but euroe got to China... and later patitionate her...

1) China was fighting Muslims since 700AD
2) China didn't invade Europe - but the Mongols did, so, are they the masterrace?


History of china, as a civilisation started from the first Shi-Huangdi.
earlier it was just a small local kingdom, before 1600 - having a size
of small county, which the only achievemt of was, planting the rice.
There is no 5000 years,. It is a myth.

Grafting was invented in ancient China, for example, in addition to many other inventions. Again, your ignorance shows. Just because Europeans were too incompetent to develop agriculture doesn't mean it's not the most important development of all time - it is.

A more comprehensive list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

What were Poles doing at the same time? nothing, of course.


China is growing becasue of european inventions and investments.

No. Historically the passing of inventions has gone from east to west anyhow. It is only recently even a little has gone the other way. Investment? come on, they're not an Asian Tiger economy, you're talking out your arse.


There is nothing chinese in china now. All what they are able to do,
is coping from europeans. Even japanese hight-tech is made by the
similar way. China is going to decline, and sooner of later will emerged
the clash of civilisations, and knowing russian or american capibilities,
China will be wiped out from the face of the earth. And they are just
before demographic catastrophy which was created by their clever IQ. :picard2:

http://imgur.com/bAKTpu6

[Harkonnen]

Well at least you left those countries glorious and prosperous. Oh wait they're shitholes.

I honestly believe Indo-Europeans are a race of cockroaches who are only good at destruction. Fact that some NW Europeans and South Europeans managed to create somewhat stable socities is more a exception to the rule than the norm, and has nothing to do with essence of Indo-Europeanity.

Russia is the true soul of Indo-Europeans.

[Longbowman]

I honestly believe Indo-Europeans are a race of cockroaches who are only good at destruction. Fact that some NW Europeans and South Europeans managed to create somewhat stable socities is more a exception to the rule than the norm, and has nothing to do with essence of Indo-Europeanity.

Russia is the true soul of Indo-Europeans.

It seems he actually believes they're a race of altruists who go around raising savages to civilisation. And then in his next post he'll complain about how savage black/brown people are. They're totally irony impaired.

Yes, it's also odd to take credit for the achievements of the Latins and Britons. It's like me taking credit for the achievements of the Arabs or Assyrians, just all-round odd behaviour.

[Fractal]

It seems he actually believes they're a race of altruists who go around raising savages to civilisation. And then in his next post he'll complain about how savage black/brown people are. They're totally irony impaired.

Yes, it's also odd to take credit for the achievements of the Latins and Britons. It's like me taking credit for the achievements of the Arabs or Assyrians, just all-round odd behaviour.

LOL, I've never heard anyone discuss or never learned anything about Poland in any of my world history classes when I was growing up. Nor did we learn much about Poland in college.

Ancient India vs. Ancient Polish R1a Indo-Europeans? hmmm

[Fractal]

I honestly believe Indo-Europeans are a race of cockroaches who are only good at destruction. Fact that some NW Europeans and South Europeans managed to create somewhat stable socities is more a exception to the rule than the norm, and has nothing to do with essence of Indo-Europeanity.

Russia is the true soul of Indo-Europeans.

He's the bastard himself since he actually believes a race of nomadic steppe invaders created the great civilizations of the past such as Vedic India. Then again he's a Pole so I'll let it slide.

[Rethel]

No, it's pure fiction, and you're not even pretending you didn't make it up.

Possibility.


Proximity to the Bielowiesza forest grants intellectual superiority, but not to gentile Poles, apparently.

Present day Poles have quite average IQ: 98-102 - depending on reaserch.

In the past could have higher than average.
After 200-300 years of slaughtering the elites, average IQ could and probably did fall down.
Szlachta-folk did create a state, which was one of the richiest in Europe, and proportionaly
most powerfull. Just 500,000 (or less when we exclude some russkies) provide the power
which could hold 10-20 times more subjects, often rebelling, and at the same times make
succesfull wars with everyone around at the same time - including world superpower like
modern US, eastern giant which West has still problem with, northern arising local Empire,
plus some smaller entities inveding the land. At the same time providing great prosperity
for all inhabitants, on which Jews gain the most btw.


>ignores the even worse communist times in China (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong) happening at exactly the same time

only a gentile could be this ignorant. Either way China's rebound since then proves their superiority, coming back quickly from the worst of times.

China was on her own, we were occupyed by Sovites.
We didn;t want this system - they made it themselves.
And they supposedly are more inteligent than we.
It makes a big difference.


asked the Christian

These zionistic apostates? :picard2:


what we did was wipe them out, like in the Belgian Congo, Namibia, and the Aztec and Incan Empires. Oh wait that was you. Well at least you left those countries glorious and prosperous. Oh wait they're shitholes.

You know the 'culturally enriched' meme? That's an ironic one for WNs to wield.

Interesingly, that, during colonial period they prospered batter, and when they get the power on their won, they failed.
And btw, Africa was in stone age. Muslism did rape her as far as they could go (not too far... maybe had to low IQ for it?).
Europeans brought technology, roads, trains, medicines, literacy, cars, truest possible faith aso aso... everything what was
done and is, in Asia, America, Ociania, and Africa is done becasue European civilisation brought it there. What did Jews?


Mongols confirmed for masterrace

At the time, partially yes, but wah they created?
Nothing. They came out from shithole, and still remain there.
No civilisation, no any remains. They drowed in European and
China civilisations and were wiped out from the political map.
40 years of genocidal "glory", 4000 years of living in yurta.


we were building cities whilst you were fucking your horses, Pole.

Yea, sure... I see, your inteligence is making you crazy again...
When Jews did build a urban civilisation? When? Do you think
that gettho's network can be compare to all european cities
around the world? And btw, even Israelites (whom you have
probably in mind saying we) only occupied cities which they
were given by the God. But israelites did not live in jewish
civilisation, neither were jews.


thousands, literally thousands.

Just Israel, just 50 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries

1. I was talking about jewish civilisation. Give me something what was product of her from 500AD, 1000AD, 1700AD???
2. Israel is quite europeanized, and all what they do is developing products of european civilisation.


less than 10, same as Europeans, because you 'discovered' countries that were already populated, for the most part. Only a few small islands were truly 'discovered' by you. Jewish explorers did exist, too, like Benjamin of Tudela (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_of_Tudela), you just don't know about them, because you're an ignoramus.

One guy, from european country, who were just traveler of antient known world... :picard:



asked the Christian

what we did was wipe them out, like in the Belgian Congo, Namibia, and the Aztec and Incan Empires. Oh wait that was you. Well at least you left those countries glorious and prosperous. Oh wait they're shitholes.

You know the 'culturally enriched' meme? That's an ironic one for WNs to wield. You leave one of two things in your wake:/quote]

Why are you repeating yourself in one post?

[quote]1) destruction
2) a functioning white colony, with natives either marginalised, decimated, or pushed out

:picard1:


ountless thousands. For example we eradicated polio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk). Of course you could say 'but that's really our achievement because we destroyed your nation and you had to live amongst us until 1948' but that would be typical of your disingenuity.

So high IQ, but you cannot understand the term "civilisational achievments"?

Guy was out of your civilisation, learn, work and live in our civilisation.
This is why he made it. Being a Jew doesn't equal with being the jewish civilisation.


No race in the world will ever show 'gratitude' to Europeans, as Europeans do not deserve it. European inventions such as what? I'm genuinely curious.

And it is saying a guy with IQ 140... :picard2:
About gratitude, it is known, that Jews are usually not.


>believing biblical figures

Whatever you say, figures about judaists are not biblical.
Since I century you have great decline and in 12th century
you were 4-8 times less than at the beginning in I century.
during 1800 years you couldn;t use your IQ for reproduction.


either way the current figures are: Jews growing quickly, Europeans falling quickly.

Only becasue of those, which are beliving in this, what you just laughed a sentence earlier... :picard2:


Sefardim are more intelligent than the average European, but this is immaterial to the point.

Yea, sure... european average is 100-101.
Sepharid - 95-98.


You're thinking of Mizra7im.

These are on the arabic level. Less than 90?


Every aspect except numbers. Name one and I'll explain how.

Yea, sure... especially in godliness....


We both know that by 2050 Europeans will be practically extinct and looking like one might get me beaten up.

So, you are on the side of the enemy, like the general jewery from the paralel thread??

[Rethel]

It seems he actually believes they're a race of altruists who go around raising savages to civilisation. And then in his next post he'll complain about how savage black/brown people are. They're totally irony impaired.

There were bad things, there were good things.
Generaly there is more benefits.


Yes, it's also odd to take credit for the achievements of the Latins and Britons. It's like me taking credit for the achievements of the Arabs or Assyrians, just all-round odd behaviour.

But you do not make one and the same civilisation with them. I can
understand, that our muslim low IQ members cannot understand this,
but you are lauding you 140, so you should be able to understand this
(as well as many other things). Unfortunatly, sometimes, low IQed
muslims can understand things which you can't, becasue they simply
repeat what they were taught.

[Harkonnen]

He's the bastard himself since he actually believes a race of nomadic steppe invaders created the great civilizations of the past such as Vedic India. Then again he's a Pole so I'll let it slide.

It's complete nonsense of course. Indian civilization is a direct descendent of BMAC, Harappa and Mohenjo-daro which themselves are linked to the greater belt of Middle-Eastern and South Asian cilizations.

[Rethel]

1) China was fighting Muslims since 700AD

Since 700 until 800 on the far outskirts.


2) China didn't invade Europe - but the Mongols did, so, are they the masterrace?

As was said above.


Grafting was invented in ancient China, for example, in addition to many other inventions. Again, your ignorance shows. Just because Europeans were too incompetent to develop agriculture doesn't mean it's not the most important development of all time - it is.

did I negate chinese inventions? No.
But what they did with these inventions?
It brought them nothing - but we could use
made by us inventions for our benefit, and
for the benefit of others. And our inventions
are far greater, than chinese.

Chinese, when they discovered something,
they did lock it and kept it for themselves.
Neither they benefited from it, neither others.

And btw, invention or conquest per se means nothing. We are talking
here about civilisations, as a whole bunch of different things, and final
result of it. Why IQ 140 cannot undersdtand it, but is taking small things,
elements of greater picture trying to proof, that whole is better becasue
of this one ancient piece of puzzle? :picard2:


A more comprehensive list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions

At least you will learn, how to use Internet, when your argumentation is out. :)


What were Poles doing at the same time? nothing, of course.

Try to make better use of the internet in this matter.
Btw, Poles ARE NOT A CIVILISATION.

But:

Jews 1000 years ago - 1 mln.
Poles 1000 years ago - 1 mln.

Today - Jews 14 mln, Poles 40 in the country, 60 with those around the world.

Jews lived in getthos during this whole time.
Poles made a local Empire, an the biggest country in Europe (exept Russia),
holding 10-14 times more subjects, and winning wars with everyone around
including other powers and one World Power being 500,000 head-folk.

Also in the meantime, became one of the richest if not the richest state in Europe,
the refuge for Jews (once lived here 90% of you) and other peoples and faiths from
Europe like Scots, English, Germans, Swedes, Hungarians, Russians, Armenians, Karaims,
Romanians, Tatars, aso aso... prospering in literacy, learning foreign lanfguages, and
translating the Bibles and other books... great boom of tolerance, without religious
wars, and with political and economic prosperity.

And Poles were not civilisation, like Jews are. What did Jews?

And btw, Poland hosted you 1000 years, and you did not hosted Poles.
Insted of it, you are during last decades making a campaign against Poland
on the world arena, to rob us, and caluminating us for things, we did not
do to you, and spreding lies about us. This is what you did after so many
years of guesting you here, providing for you, and giving you priviledges.


No. Historically the passing of inventions has gone from east to west anyhow. It is only recently even a little has gone the other way. Investment? come on, they're not an Asian Tiger economy, you're talking out your arse.

Surely, Kaifang Jews did influenced Chinese to
build the computer and send the rocket into space... :picard2:

[Longbowman]

Ridiculous.

'Name one thing Jews did.'
'Here are a million things.'
'Ah but you did those in our countries.'
'...OK, what about Israel, which is far more relevant than East Euro shitfuckistans?'
'Ah, but Israel is built on the European model. So really those are ours too.'
'But your entire civilisation is derived from Near Eastern civilisation-founders who were then co-opted by barbarian Indo-European horsefuckers!'
'That doesn't count.'

OK, then, why was it us, and not you, who did them? also, until recently, most Jews lived in their own towns and neighbourhoods, without even adhering to the most basic European customs. This is joke-level argumentation.

Sephardic average IQ is 99. (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/07/05/jewish-intelligence/)

[Rethel]

You could do better... you just waisted your 140 IQ again... :pout:

[Longbowman]

I am no longer able to think up stupid responses to your points

good.

[Vascontelo]

lol, that guy is annoying. I don't know why people still argue with him.

[Paris-Brest]

Of course not. It's just a perception because askenazies are, nowdays, a very strong group. And sephardies are practically a extinct group. In the past, when they were living in Spain i'm pretty sure they were a very smart group and they proved it too in netherlands. But now, there is too few sephardics and mostly of them are mixing with askenazis.

There is a big Sephardic Jewish community in France (400 000). It's not rare to meet Sephardic Jews who are 100% and married to people from the same ethnic group.

[Cristiano viejo]

There is a big Sephardic Jewish community in France (400 000). It's not rare to meet Sephardic Jews who are 100% and married to people from the same ethnic group.

Do they look MENA or just South Euro?

[mieret]

Spanish contributions to science/technology: 0

You have more than twice the ammount of dislikes received than likes(and it's not that the sample is small)


I don't think it's the culture. Averages are irelevant for "achievements", the 110/120 while very useful won't revolutionize anything, having a high average makes good functionning societies but it's the top 10/20/30 percentile that matters, although you can argue maybe in a way a high average enables the top percentile to function better in a safer, stable environement. Most of the economy is driven and controlled by top percentiles, while the 1/2% brings home nobels and generally fundamental advancements. East Asians only have higher averages but peak lower.

But I dont think it is 180+IQs that Asians are lacking(in fact I think the will potentially top the list soon), I think its more a matter of other qualities(culture, creativity, risk taking, dominance, etc.)

[mieret]

IQ is a myth study says :

http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(12)00584-3

The idea that intelligence can be measured by a single number — your IQ — is wrong, according to a recent study led by researchers at the University of Western Ontario (abstract). The study, published in the journal Neuron on Wednesday, involved 100,000 participants around the world taking 12 cognitive tests, with a smaller sample of the group undergoing simultaneous brain-scan testing. 'When we looked at the data, the bottom line is the whole concept of IQ — or of you having a higher IQ than me — is a myth,' said Dr. Adrian Owen, the study’s senior investigator... 'There is no such thing as a single measure of IQ or a measure of general intelligence'.

Now, this study by itself might not prove anything but when we take into consideration books like Michio Kaku's "Future of the Mind" and other studies like this we start to see IQ is at worst a myth and at best obsolete :

Goodbye, IQ Tests: Brain Imaging Predicts Intelligence Levels :

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/32/26/8988


Research from Washington University in St. Louis has identified variations in brain scans that they believe identify portions of the brain that are responsible for intelligence. As suspected (and as explained by cartoons) brain size does play a small role; they said that brain size accounts for 6.7 percent of variance in intelligence. Recent research has placed the brain's prefrontal cortex, a region just behind the forehead, as providing for 5 percent of the variation in intelligence between people. The research from Washington University targets the left prefrontal cortex, and the strength of neural connections that it has to the rest of the brain. They think these differences account for 10 percent of differences in intelligence among people. The study is the first to connect those differences to intelligence in people.

wow, I see a very small impact of brain size(maybe as they are able to pinpoint better the areas the effect is bigger)

[Paris-Brest]

Do they look MENA or just South Euro?

The Sephardic Jews i've seen come from North Africa and Turkey..In general North African Jews don't look like North African Muslims..They have lighter skin and different facial features..Sometimes they have light eyes..The Turkish Jews in general look like other Turkish people but i think Turkey has more diversity than N.A..

[Sp_loa]

I live in Israel so I see Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews in my school everyday.
I know school isn't the best indication for intelligence or IQ but i have to say, that at least in my class the Sephardi jews(Bulgarian and North African) doing much better in school and tests than the Ashkenazi jews.

Just remember that until the expulsion from spain(and even later in Amsterdam) the sephardi jews were the smarter group.

I think the IQ Differences are mainly due to environmental reasons and less due to a genetical reason.

If you are talking about nobel prizes- don't forget that most of the Sephardic jews lived in North Africa and the blakans while the Ashkenazi jews lived in the USA and Northern Europe- where they had more opportunities and tools to succeed.

[Selurong]

Sephardic Jews have a more ancient and cultured history about them compared to the later Ashkenazim.

[Selurong]

@Cristiano viejo

I think grand Inquisitor Torquemada really had Jewish descent. It's just being downplayed though.

Being of Jewish descent is no obstacle to being a good Christian.
One of the best theologians of the Church, Teresa de Avila, a saint of Spain, also had Jewish ancestors, his grandfather was a Sephardic.

[Selurong]

As for the higher Ashkenazim IQ, part of it may be due to environmental pressures and part of it maybe due to hybrid vigor. Like in plants and animals, when two different strains or races breed together, they turn out stronger or smarter than their purer parents. Seeing that Ashkenazis are half European and half Semitic, then they might be a result of hybrid vigor.

[SkyBurn]

Sephardic Jews have a more ancient and cultured history about them compared to the later Ashkenazim.

This is a very silly statement. They're as old as each other, as they stem from the same population group.


As for the higher Ashkenazim IQ, part of it may be due to environmental pressures and part of it maybe due to hybrid vigor. Like in plants and animals, when two different strains or races breed together, they turn out stronger or smarter than their purer parents. Seeing that Ashkenazis are half European and half Semitic, then they might be a result of hybrid vigor.

Sephardic peoples are not that much more semitic than Ashkenazis genetically.

[Insuperable]

IQ is not the best measure of intelligence possible. Chinese superiority how ? Superiority on a test ? France, Britain, Germany and Italy all have more human accomplishments in the arts and sciences than the Chinese and the population of China (average 'IQ' 106) dwarfs that of these populations. Obviously, the culture is important too and Western culture is superior to Eastern culture that is perhaps an explanation. However, the scientist Michio Kaku in his book "The Future of the Mind" does a pretty good job of eviscerating the concept of IQ as a valid measure of intelligence. Just like genetics went through a Golden age in in the 90s, with the human genome project, neuroscience is now in a golden age with the BRAIN project etc... and in the future we are likely to have better measures of intelligence than the flawed concept of IQ.


You rest too much on your laurels based on your IQ score. Rest instead on real world accomplishments then I might start to listen to you. Your IQ score gives you no authority with me. It might with other fools, though.

There is nothing wrong with the concept of IQ tests. They are not a bad indicator. The problem is that there are several dimensions of spatial, numerical or verbal intelligence. Very, very few tests manage to cover all of those dimensions. Plus they have to test both divergent and convergent thinking. Accomplished scientists (especially those in physical science) excel in every dimension of intelligence.

[Insuperable]

I don't think it's the culture. Averages are irelevant for "achievements", the 110/120 while very useful won't revolutionize anything, having a high average makes good functionning societies but it's the top 10/20/30 percentile that matters, although you can argue maybe in a way a high average enables the top percentile to function better in a safer, stable environement. Most of the economy is driven and controlled by top percentiles, while the 1/2% brings home nobels and generally fundamental advancements. East Asians only have higher averages but peak lower.

Person with an IQ of 110 (rarity of 1 in 4) means that person is in the 75th percentile or in the top 25 percentile.
Person with and IQ of 120 (rarity of 1 in 11) means that person is in the 90.87 percentile or in the top 10 percentile. IQ of 135 is the 99th percentile or 1 in 100. The average nobel prize in physics laureate has an IQ of 159. That is the rarity of 1 in almost 24000 and is the 99.9958094411 percentile. I would say economy is led and general advancements made by the top 0.01 percentile. The rest are working bees.

As you have said the more important thing is in having the big number of high IQ people not the big average although it may or may not come hand in hand. AJs have about 4.5 times 140+ IQ people per capita then most other nations.

[Petalpusher]

Person with an IQ of 110 (rarity of 1 in 4) means that person is in the 75th percentile or in the top 25 percentile.
Person with and IQ of 120 (rarity of 1 in 11) means that person is in the 90.87 percentile or in the top 10 percentile. IQ of 135 is the 99th percentile or 1 in 100. The average nobel prize in physics laureate has an IQ of 159. That is the rarity of 1 in almost 24000 and is the 99.9958094411 percentile. I would say economy is led and general advancements made by the top 0.01 percentile. The rest are working bees.

As you have said the more important thing is in having the big number of high IQ people not the big average although it may or may not come hand in hand. AJs have about 4.5 times 140+ IQ people per capita then most other nations.

I do believe for commerce, technology and arts, 120-130 can do wonders, some could be more grounded, inventive, social etc.. individuals can be gifted for music, litterature, trading, inventing stuff etc.. rather than just total math heads, so i wouldn't rule out anything other than really the highest percentile since you will mostly find them concentated in science fields and a fully "complete" nation cannot solely rely on that either.

Ashkenazi are always hard to compare, if you were to put them all back in a real nation like Israel (let's say) you would have a decent average but nothing extraordinary, it's 95 or something and yet you would have indeed a really significant portion of the population with extremely high IQ hidden in that average. Which would likely show the same for any other top IQ nation, if you were extracting even on some non ethnic random criterias a part of its population, like those who settled abroad for business for example...you would get a higher average and a higher proportion of top percentiles.

[kingjohn]

you want high i.q than look
at German Jews the purest aschenazi in German culture
and you get Einstein and Oppenheimer a machine lol :cool:
in Israel many of the people are mixed with Sephardi and mizrachi jews {no offense i my self mixed of those groups and i am saying the truth here even if it is hard to hear }
so a chance to find a full aschenazi is more in usa Jews than in Israel .
and even in Israel the high- tech is pretty good so there are some good apples
out there .

[Yehiel]

One of my best friends in Israel is a a Moroccan Jew with an IQ of 130. I don't know many Ashkenazis from Israel though so I cant compare.

[kingjohn]

i think it is a combination of genetics + environment
if Einstein would have grown in much backward place { in terms of technology , and culture } i doubt he would accomplished
what he did same goes for Oppenheimer and other German Jews who won noble prize or other prizes
i am not denying they are much more gifted than the average person but they have to grow in civilized culture environment to reach most of there potential .

[Yehiel]

i think it is a combination of genetics + environment
if Einstein would have grown in much backward place { in terms of technology , and culture } i doubt he would accomplished
what he did same goes for Oppenheimer and other German Jews who won noble prize or other prizes
i am not denying they are much more gifted than the average person but they have to grow in civilized culture environment to reach most of there potential .

.אתה נכון גבר. אם אשכנזים מאיפה המזרח אני חושב הם יהיו אותו הדבר

[SkyBurn]

i think it is a combination of genetics + environment
if Einstein would have grown in much backward place { in terms of technology , and culture } i doubt he would accomplished
what he did same goes for Oppenheimer and other German Jews who won noble prize or other prizes
i am not denying they are much more gifted than the average person but they have to grow in civilized culture environment to reach most of there potential .

Einstein did grow up in a backwards place. Why do you think he left?

A great little quote from when Einstein presented his theory of relativity in France (translations vary):

“If I am proved correct, the Germans will call me a German, the Swiss will call me a Swiss citizen, and the French will call me a great scientist. If relativity is proved wrong, the French will call me a Swiss, the Swiss will call me a German, and the Germans will call me a Jew.

[kingjohn]

Einstein did grow up in a backwards place. Why do you think he left?

A great little quote from when Einstein presented his theory of relativity in France (translations vary):

“If I am proved correct, the Germans will call me a German, the Swiss will call me a Swiss citizen, and the French will call me a great scientist. If relativity is proved wrong, the French will call me a Swiss, the Swiss will call me a German, and the Germans will call me a Jew.


run a way from from Nazis he knew where the wind flow that's why he left ......
Germany was not a backward place at all it is not a village in Ukraine and not a cave in morocco central Europe
thanks for sharing his quote interesting anyhow :)
regards
adam

[Hamlet]

Sephardis saw the world, traded in maritime ventures and had agents in Amsterdam, Lisbon, the New World, Istanbul, etc. by the 1600s.

Ashkenazis were seen as ghetto-stuck hicks. Only Zionism (which was a movement that developed out of these e.european ghettoes) and the emancipation of Ashkenazi by the czar of Russia so they could migrate to Germany and France in the 1800s, improved things for ashkenazi...now they are trying to redress history and make those centuries of Ghetto-life some kind of IQ incubator/fuel...just lol.

That's mostly true (bar German Jewish bankers), most people nowadays don't realise that Sephardim used to be on top.

If I'm not mistaken, when Oliver Cromwell decided to allow Jews back into Britain, the Sephardim tried to convince him not to let the Ashkenazim in, because they saw them as so backwards! :laugh:

[Anglojew]

Speaking as someone with some Sephardi ancestry (but more Ashkenazi) & with an IQ in the 99th percentile I'd say that IQ is bullshit. It doesn't test things like creativity. I also think it's cultural.

[Hamlet]

Speaking as someone with some Sephardi ancestry (but more Ashkenazi) & with an IQ in the 99th percentile I'd say that IQ is bullshit. It doesn't test things like creativity. I also think it's cultural.

It isn't bullshit or cultural (at least not the non-verbal variants), but it doesn't test creativity, that's true.

[Anglojew]

It isn't bullshit or cultural (at least not the non-verbal variants), but it doesn't test creativity, that's true.

I mean it tests what it tests. I've met some very stupid geniuses (if you know what I mean).

[Hamlet]

I mean it tests what it tests. I've met some very stupid geniuses (if you know what I mean).

Yeah but its not like it just tests how good you are at taking the test, it pretty accurately tests pattern recognition ability

[Anglojew]

Yeah but its not like it just tests how good you are at taking the test, it pretty accurately tests pattern recognition ability

A lot of the really intelligent Ashkenazim I know are socially retarded. I'm just being honest.

[Leto]

A lot of the really intelligent Ashkenazim I know are socially retarded. I'm just being honest.
Just because many Jews and whites are socially libtard doesn't mean their average IQ is low.

[Carlito's Way]

That's mostly true (bar German Jewish bankers), most people nowadays don't realise that Sephardim used to be on top.

If I'm not mistaken, when Oliver Cromwell decided to allow Jews back into Britain, the Sephardim tried to convince him not to let the Ashkenazim in, because they saw them as so backwards! :laugh:

Yeah thats true, in Mexico during the colonial days, Sephardic Jews especially those from Portugal were on top in Mexico

"On the other hand, the settlement of the Sephardic community of Lusitanian conversation in Mexico (Mexico City, Guadalajara, Morelia, Acapulco, Veracruz and Puebla) was of great relevance. Virtually all the international and local commerce from the 17th to the 18th centuries was in the hands of of the descendants of Jewish Portuguese converts. As an example we have a great character, Don Simón Báez Sevilla (also known as Báez de Castelo Branco) who became the richest Jew of Lusitanian origin in Mexico of those years. Based in Mexico City, Simón Báez Sevilla was the head of the important Mexican Crypto-Jewish community of Portuguese origin, reaching several synagogues"

Sephardic Jews were extremely influential in Mexico and its economy during those days.

[Fractal]

That's mostly true (bar German Jewish bankers), most people nowadays don't realise that Sephardim used to be on top.

If I'm not mistaken, when Oliver Cromwell decided to allow Jews back into Britain, the Sephardim tried to convince him not to let the Ashkenazim in, because they saw them as so backwards! :laugh:

Completely irrelevant. IQ means very little in the USA, where entrepreneurial skills or being innovative are both more important.

I'd say the low IQ groups like Blacks and Mestizos will always be at the bottom of the ladder but Indians will stay competitive.

Here is an old paper (2009) about us: (interesting, only one of the authors is Indian and one is a Greek-American - i'd like to show it to wvwvwv)

Indian Entrepreneurial Success in the United States, Canada and the United Kingdom

ROBERT W. FAIRLIE
HARRY KRASHINSKY
JULIE ZISSIMOPOULOS
KRISHNA B. KUMAR

Indian immigrants in the United States are highly successful in entrepreneurship. The average net business income of Indian entrepreneurs is $84,080, significantly higher than the national average of $52,086. The success of Indian entrepreneurs in the United States is particularly striking, given India’s low per capita income -- only $2,644 adjusted for purchasing power parity. Immigrants from countries where the per capita income is much higher than in India, including Taiwan, Korea, Greece, Germany, and England, have substantially lower entrepreneurial earnings
than Indian entrepreneurs in the United States. In fact, Indian immigrants have the highest average net business income of all immigrant groups in the United States. The evidence on Indian immigrants’ entrepreneurial achievement in other wealthy countries such as the United Kingdom and Canada is less conclusive, but also suggestive of success.1

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/working_papers/2010/RAND_WR727.pdf

[Fustan]

https://www.amazon.com/Big-Test-History-American-Meritocracy/dp/0374527512

[Cristiano viejo]

Yeah thats true, in Mexico during the colonial days, Sephardic Jews especially those from Portugal were on top in Mexico

"On the other hand, the settlement of the Sephardic community of Lusitanian conversation in Mexico (Mexico City, Guadalajara, Morelia, Acapulco, Veracruz and Puebla) was of great relevance. Virtually all the international and local commerce from the 17th to the 18th centuries was in the hands of of the descendants of Jewish Portuguese converts. As an example we have a great character, Don Simón Báez Sevilla (also known as Báez de Castelo Branco) who became the richest Jew of Lusitanian origin in Mexico of those years. Based in Mexico City, Simón Báez Sevilla was the head of the important Mexican Crypto-Jewish community of Portuguese origin, reaching several synagogues"

Sephardic Jews were extremely influential in Mexico and its economy during those days.
You oversize the influence of Jews in Mexico. Same than some centuries ago in medieval Spain, Jews were allowed (never forget this) to be involved in business, finances, etc, but always under supervision of the crown or competent authorities.