Phenotype SNPs of ancient Minoans and Mycenaeans

[Peterski]

"Below are derived allele counts and total numbers of reads for SNPs that have a large effect on phenotype for 19 Minoan, Mycenaean, Neolithic Greek, and Bronze Age Anatolian genomes. Nonzero derived allele counts are highlighted. Note that small derived allele counts may be due to DNA damage:"

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/08/04/phenotype-snps-for-minoans-and-mycenaeans/

At least one the Minoans had brown skin, while all of the Mycenaeans had light skin:

SLC45A2, rs16891982, Caucasoid light skin

Sample Population Date BC Derived/Total

I2937 Neolithic Greek 5460–5378 2/3
I9130 Minoan 2900–1900 1/1
I0070 Minoan 2000–1700 7/7
I0071 Minoan 2000–1700 0/36 ---> darker skin
I0073 Minoan 2000–1700 13/13
I0074 Minoan 2000–1700 3/3
I9005 Minoan 2000–1700 13/13
I9010 Mycenaean 1700–1200 4/4
I9041 Mycenaean 1700–1200 5/12
I9033 Mycenaean 1416–1280 2/3
I9006 Mycenaean 1411–1262 9/10
I2499 Bronze Age Anatolian 2836–2472 0/1 ---> darker skin
I2495 Bronze Age Anatolian 2558–2295 12/13
I2683 Bronze Age Anatolian 2500–1800 6/23

And another gene which lightens skin pigmentation:

TYR, rs1042602, lighter skin, absence of freckles

Sample Population Date BC Derived/Total

I2937 Neolithic Greek 5460–5378 0/1 ---> less light skin
I9130 Minoan 2900–1900 0/1 ---> less light skin
I9131 Minoan 2900–1900 1/1
I0070 Minoan 2000–1700 5/5
I0071 Minoan 2000–1700 9/22 ---> a bit less light skin
I9005 Minoan 2000–1700 2/9 ---> a bit less light skin
I9010 Mycenaean 1700–1200 3/3
I9041 Mycenaean 1700–1200 4/5
I9033 Mycenaean 1416–1280 3/3
I9006 Mycenaean 1411–1262 11/11
I2499 Bronze Age Anatolian 2836–2472 0/1 ---> less light skin
I2495 Bronze Age Anatolian 2558–2295 0/1 ---> less light skin
I2683 Bronze Age Anatolian 2500–1800 0/6 ---> less light skin

So the Mycenaeans had - on average - slightly lighter skin than the Minoans.

[Lavrentis]

So Myceneaeans were the elite IE class? I don't get this.

[Coolguy1]

So Myceneaeans were the elite IE class? I don't get this.

They just had more steppe ancestry which is why they were lighter

[Rethel]

slightly lighter skin than the Minoans.

Minoans were just average meditterrenians.
When you compare them to Negros, they seem white.
But when you compare them to northerners, they are not.

It depends on the point of benchmark.


So Myceneaeans were the elite IE class? I don't get this.

At the beginning...

[Peterski]

Well, only slightly darker.

And probably both groups had similar skin pigmentation to modern Greeks.

[Lollipop]

bla bla bla
Where's the haplgroup, mate?

[Peterski]

bla bla bla
Where's the haplgroup, mate?

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2017/08/03/y-snp-calls-for-minoans-and-mycenaeans/

Sample Population Date BC Haplogroup

I9130 Minoan 2900–1900 G2a2b2a-CTS946
I0070 Minoan 2000–1700 J2a1d-M319*
I0073 Minoan 2000–1700 J2a1d-M319*

I9041 Mycenaean 1700–1200 J2a1-L26(xabcdeghi)

I2495 Anatolian 2558–2295 J1a2b-Z1828

[catgeorge]

This is already known

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ohocmvHfgs8/VKy0QdszPeI/AAAAAAAAArw/GVlOfokyI-w/s1600/Angel's%2BData%2Bfigure%2B6.jpg

[Scholarios]

a victory for the medo-centrists. what do ya know, both myceneans and minoans were olive-toned wogs with j2a.

[Sikeliot]

a victory for the medo-centrists. what do ya know, both myceneans and minoans were olive-toned wogs with j2a.

They had more affinity to Sardinians than modern Greeks do.

[Scholarios]

They had more affinity to Sardinians than modern Greeks do.

Minoans yes... wait, what the hell? so what is your point? swiss at this time had more affinity to modern sardinians, so.

[Sikeliot]

Minoans yes... wait, what the hell? so what is your point? swiss at this time had more affinity to modern sardinians, so.

I mean Mycenaeans and Minoans had more affinity to Sardinians than modern Greeks have. I don't know, nor care, about Swiss of the same time period.

[Scholarios]

I mean Mycenaeans and Minoans had more affinity to Sardinians than modern Greeks have. I don't know, nor care, about Swiss of the same time period.

Yes, you don't care. Because you've no stake in it, being just a identity-complexed drama queen. Just drop your little troll comments and go back to lurking Cretan teenagers facebooks.

[wvwvw]

They had more affinity to Sardinians than modern Greeks do.

60% Sardinian and say 40% Georgian doesn't imply Sardinian or Georgian ancestry. To read these admixtures you have to find the midpoint between Sardinia and Georgia and in this case is Greece.