Phenotype of Ancient Greeks

[itilvolga]

How would you classify them?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Homme_avec_barbe%2C_portrait_fun%C3%A9raire%2C_Fay oum%2C_%C3%89gypte.jpg

https://wir.skyrock.net/wir/v1/resize/?c=isi&im=%2F6551%2F40496551%2Fpics%2F3207753219_2_10_jvX F2Xc4.jpg&w=600

[Sikeliot]

Dinaro-Med?

[FilhoV]

Those pictures you posted are Gracile Mediterranids that are slightly Dinaricized but predominantly Gracile Med

Also I fully expect this thread to end up being a shitshow

[Dorian]

By the Roman period, much of the "Greek" population of Faiyum was made-up of either Hellenized Egyptians or people of mixed Egyptian-Greek origins.[15]
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?109294-Classify-Fayum-Portraits

[catgeorge]

They're Coptics the real Egyptians.

[Silk]

Mediterranean-Dinaric.

[itilvolga]

They're Coptics the real Egyptians.

Hmm, we can't say "real" actually, there is always some doubts about Ancient Greek and Egyptian history :confused:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4555292/Study-mummies-reveals-Turkish-European.html

[Sikeliot]

They don't look MENA enough to be what I think of as Egyptian, but they also do not look like modern day Greeks either.

[itilvolga]

Those pictures you posted are Gracile Mediterranids that are slightly Dinaricized but predominantly Gracile Med

Also I fully expect this thread to end up being a shitshow

be relax, i just wondered what you guys would think about it anyway i felt myself too lazy for check it here and that's why create a new thread, that's all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[itilvolga]

They don't look MENA enough to be what I think of as Egyptian, but they also do not look like modern day Greeks either.

yeah, literally same with my idea. Probably i can consider them as Moroccan, idk

[Dorian]

Hmm, we can't say "real" actually, there is always some doubts about Ancient Greek and Egyptian history :confused:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4555292/Study-mummies-reveals-Turkish-European.html

So they were turks you think?

[Porn Master]

Those pictures you posted are Gracile Mediterranids that are slightly Dinaricized but predominantly Gracile Med

Also I fully expect this thread to end up being a shitshow




you look like that guy in the picture TBH

[Porn Master]

when I see a curly haired brown greek or other south european make me think that they're circumcised abdul-jalals ibn al-tariq

[itilvolga]

So they were turks you think?

Nah, actually i can't know what's the reality but i don't think so.

[Sikeliot]

Nah, actually i can't know what's the reality but i don't think so.

Ancient Greeks would have had more Sardinian like ancestry than the modern. The Near Eastern input into modern Greeks is more recent due to Pontics, Anatolian Greeks, etc.

[itilvolga]

when I see a curly haired brown greek or other south european make me think that they're circumcised abdul-jalals ibn al-tariq

lol

[itilvolga]

Ancient Greeks would have had more Sardinian like ancestry than the modern. The Near Eastern input into modern Greeks is more recent due to Pontics, Anatolian Greeks, etc.

and today, they are mixed people (with Balkans) so yeh i don't care today's Greek phenotype much. Also they look so damn similar to me actually, i mean, West side of Turkey, especially Aegean Region. Really i can't see any difference and i am sure that nobody can understand who is Greek who is Turk there

[Sikeliot]

and today, they are mixed people (with Balkans) so yeh i don't care today's Greek phenotype much. Also they look so damn similar to me actually, i mean, West side of Turkey, especially Aegean Region. Really i can't see any difference and i am sure that nobody can understand who is Greek who is Turk there

I have been told western Turks look more Asiatic, and it is in fact the Black Sea coast where they looked more European.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Dinarized East Meds.

[Gangrel]

Dinarized East Meds.

this

[itilvolga]

I have been told western Turks look more Asiatic, and it is in fact the Black Sea coast where they looked more European.

in Aegean Region (mostly in Izmir and Muğla) you can see so many people who looks like literally a Greek. in Blacksea Region, people (Turkish+Lazish) are usually similar with Georgians

[Sikeliot]

in Aegean Region (mostly in Izmir and Muğla) you can see so many people who looks like literally a Greek. in Blacksea Region, people (Turkish+Lazish) are usually similar with Georgians

Either they may have Greek origin, or the pre-Turkic population was related to Greeks. Or both.

[Bosniensis]

They're Coptics the real Egyptians.

Ha ha very funny idiot.

So Egyptian muslims are Arabs right?

Typical Orthodox fanatical fairytale.

[itilvolga]

Either they may have Greek origin, or the pre-Turkic population was related to Greeks. Or both.

True, even my grandma is one of them.

[nightrider+]

Ancient Greeks would have had more Sardinian like ancestry than the modern. The Near Eastern input into modern Greeks is more recent due to Pontics, Anatolian Greeks, etc.

Can you stop spreading bs about things you are ignorant about? So whatever Near Eastern ancestry I have for example is due to the population exchange even if I have no Anatolian/Pontic ancestors? Or am I genetically an Austrian?

[AsianMountaineer]

WTF...They look more Middle Eastern than what I imagine White people to look like.

If those are true depictions of what they looked like this means Ancient Greeks weren't white. but non-white people.

[Smeagol]

The population of Fayum was mostly Egyptian and even most of the ''Greeks'' were mixed with Egyptian.

[Sikeliot]

Can you stop spreading bs about things you are ignorant about? So whatever Near Eastern ancestry I have for example is due to the population exchange even if I have no Anatolian/Pontic ancestors? Or am I genetically an Austrian?

You don't have much Near Eastern input if you're an entirely native mainland Greek.

[Kamal900]

The population of Fayum was mostly Egyptian and even most of the ''Greeks'' were mixed with Egyptian.

One of the mummies that was sampled in the recent genetic study on the ancient Egyptians was from the Fayyum in the 5th century AD, and the mummy clustered very closely to today's Egyptians, Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians, Arabians and so on, not to Blacks or to any southern European group.

[Lavrentis]

and today, they are mixed people (with Balkans) so yeh i don't care today's Greek phenotype much. Also they look so damn similar to me actually, i mean, West side of Turkey, especially Aegean Region. Really i can't see any difference and i am sure that nobody can understand who is Greek who is Turk there

Greeks and Turks don't look similar.

Please tell me, are you one of those cringy Turks who are obsessed with Greeks and want to be associated with us?

[itilvolga]

Greeks and Turks don't look similar.

Please tell me, are you one of those cringy Turks who are obsessed with Greeks and want to be associated with us?

Nah, i am a proud Turk but it doesn't mean that i shouldn't admit that similarity. Sorry but Aegean Turks are similar with Greeks enough.

[Lavrentis]

Nah, i am a proud Turk but it doesn't mean that i shouldn't admit that similarity. Sorry but Aegean Turks are similar with Greeks enough.

Aegean Turks have mostly Balkan descent from countries like Bulgaria, Albania and Bosnia. They don't look like Greeks at all.

[itilvolga]

Aegean Turks have mostly Balkan descent from countries like Bulgaria, Albania and Bosnia. They don't look like Greeks at all.

ok then, can you say who is Turk and who is Greek on that pic?

https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e15/11417452_467078860124092_915353404_n.jpg?ig_cache_ key=MTAwNTcxMDY3MjM1NjY1OTMxNw%3D%3D.2

[Lavrentis]

ok then, can you say who is Turk and who is Greek on that pic?

https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e15/11417452_467078860124092_915353404_n.jpg?ig_cache_ key=MTAwNTcxMDY3MjM1NjY1OTMxNw%3D%3D.2

Half of them wear sunglasses and there could be an Anatolian Greek between them. Send me a clear photo please.

OWD Turk, why are you people so obsessed with Greece and want to associate yourselves to us? Leave us alone. Interesting tired of seeing Turks who are obsessed with Greeks.

[Pausanias]

This is the real ancient Egyptian look before the Arab invasion in 642 AD.

[itilvolga]

Half of them wear sunglasses and there could be an Anatolian Greek between them. Send me a clear photo please.

OWD Turk, why are you people so obsessed with Greece and want to associate yourselves to us? Leave us alone. Interesting tired of seeing Turks who are obsessed with Greeks.

oh haha, ofc you can't answer, i already knew :") anyway no need to find any reasons, lets admit it. Also that's so damn funny that you act as a wayward girl who seems like don't want her lover's attention anymore but in reality, that's clearly what she wants :D

[Mens-Sarda]

Those are not Greeks but Hellenized Egyptians, those images are from the oasis of Fayum, Egypt

[brennus dux gallorum]

They are hellenized Egyptians, not original ancient Greeks

As for the phenotypes of ancient Greeks, as far as I know not much different from today, mostly Mediterranean (atlantomed types, including pontid, dinaricized med etc) and alpine

They probably lacked Baltic, and Nordic was a little less frequent

[FilhoV]

you look like that guy in the picture TBH

Interesting he looks very Mediterranean in my opionon i've always been interested in these portraits of the Al-Fayoum

I personally think I look closer to this man if I had to select one he just looks darker complexed than me he also possess Porto-Mediterranean eyes
https://i.imgur.com/1Gi2PgF.jpg

[Lavrentis]

Those are not Greeks but Hellenized Egyptians, those images are from the oasis of Fayum, Egypt

This.


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[FilhoV]

Personally speaking my opinion is that these are Hellenized North Africans

Alexandrian Greek and Berber hybrids

[itilvolga]

Those are not Greeks but Hellenized Egyptians, those images are from the oasis of Fayum, Egypt

Well, i don't say all Ancient Greeks had that phenotype but it's clearly visible for me that Ancient Greeks are darker than other Europeans

https://ericgerlachdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/solon-athens.jpg

[brennus dux gallorum]

Well, i don't say all Ancient Greeks had that phenotype but it's clearly visible for me that Ancient Greeks are darker than other Europeans

https://ericgerlachdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/solon-athens.jpg

Not darker than most of South Italians

[Sikeliot]

Well, i don't say all Ancient Greeks had that phenotype but it's clearly visible for me that Ancient Greeks are darker than other Europeans

https://ericgerlachdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/solon-athens.jpg

This is a depiction of a person, not a real human so it is impossible to know whether or not they looked like this. That phenotype above is dark but still looks European.

[Tauromachos]

They don't look MENA enough to be what I think of as Egyptian, but they also do not look like modern day Greeks either.

You can find these types in modern Greece.

[Tauromachos]

This is a depiction of a person, not a real human so it is impossible to know whether or not they looked like this. That phenotype above is dark but still looks European.

So?
This is exactly how i would define the classical avarage Greek look.
Neither very light or Northern looking,neither Balkan or Slavic,nor Semitic.

[Ylla]

Gracile meds

[Mens-Sarda]

Well, i don't say all Ancient Greeks had that phenotype but it's clearly visible for me that Ancient Greeks are darker than other Europeans

https://ericgerlachdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/solon-athens.jpg

Based on a portrait made in 1828 by a French painter? He just tried to imagine Solon's aspect (A person who died 2500 years before)

[FilhoV]

This is such a good post for dialogue and conversation but unfortunately too many people are plagued by low self-esteem when they hear the word Mediterranean they lose there shit and do whatever it takes to remove such a tag.

Step 1.

The post is created displaying swarthy Southern euros

Step 2.
A herd of Southern Europeans (Greeks in this case) come barging in and are instantly distraught and sickened by such a thread

Step 3

A quick Google search for the lightest members of society in those respective countries are posted

Step 4

A battle of epic proportion ensues where now The southern euros turn on each other calling themselves horrible names

Step 5

Northern Europeans and the other races of Asia, Africa etc crack open a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show


Step 6

Repeat back to step 1

[Tauromachos]

@Mens-Sarda
Well,simply read descriptions by real ancient Greek authors how they described themselfes and their people
They clearly described people in the North like Scythians as lighter and less tanned than the Greeks and on the opposite native Egyptians as darker.

The Fayoum people here don't look very Egyptian,in the Middle East they would better pass in Syria or Anatolia.
They look more like people depicted on byzantine Icons or like some of the images of people found in Pompej.

Fayoums where mixed people half Greek,half Egyptian.

[ÁGUIA]

This is such a good post for dialogue and conversation but unfortunately too many people are plagued by low self-esteem when they hear the word Mediterranean they lose there shit and do whatever it takes to remove such a tag.

Step 1.

The post is created displaying swarthy Southern euros

Step 2.
A herd of Southern Europeans (Greeks in this case) come barging in and are instantly distraught and sickened by such a thread

Step 3

A quick Google search for the lightest members of society in those respective countries are posted

Step 4

A battle of epic proportion ensues where now The southern euros turn on each other calling themselves horrible names

Step 5

Northern Europeans and the other races of Asia, Africa etc crack open a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show


Step 6

Repeat back to step 1

http://i.imgur.com/vztc6Bw.gif

[Tauromachos]

This is such a good post for dialogue and conversation but unfortunately too many people are plagued by low self-esteem when they hear the word Mediterranean they lose there shit and do whatever it takes to remove such a tag.

Step 1.

The post is created displaying swarthy Southern euros

Step 2.
A herd of Southern Europeans (Greeks in this case) come barging in and are instantly distraught and sickened by such a thread

Step 3

A quick Google search for the lightest members of society in those respective countries are posted

Step 4

A battle of epic proportion ensues where now The southern euros turn on each other calling themselves horrible names

Step 5

Northern Europeans and the other races of Asia, Africa etc crack open a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show


Step 6

Repeat back to step 1

Yes,
Sad,but true unfortunately

[Tauromachos]

They are hellenized Egyptians, not original ancient Greeks

As for the phenotypes of ancient Greeks, as far as I know not much different from today, mostly Mediterranean (atlantomed types, including pontid, dinaricized med etc) and alpine

They probably lacked Baltic, and Nordic was a little less frequent

I still think Baltic is not present at all in Greeks.
With the exception of individual cases of Greeks who are half polish or something likely

[Tauromachos]

Either they may have Greek origin, or the pre-Turkic population was related to Greeks. Or both.

Of coures it was related to Greeks,what else.

Phrygians,Lydians e.c.t

And a huge amount of native Greeks who lived in these regions since at least 2500 years.

Ionians,Aeolians and Dorians.

[Tauromachos]

WTF...They look more Middle Eastern than what I imagine White people to look like.

If those are true depictions of what they looked like this means Ancient Greeks weren't white. but non-white people.

And what means white?

[itilvolga]

This is a depiction of a person, not a real human so it is impossible to know whether or not they looked like this. That phenotype above is dark but still looks European.

But you know well, nobody creates them with their own sense of beauty, i mean, there is a connection.

[itilvolga]

This is such a good post for dialogue and conversation but unfortunately too many people are plagued by low self-esteem when they hear the word Mediterranean they lose there shit and do whatever it takes to remove such a tag.

Step 1.

The post is created displaying swarthy Southern euros

Step 2.
A herd of Southern Europeans (Greeks in this case) come barging in and are instantly distraught and sickened by such a thread

Step 3

A quick Google search for the lightest members of society in those respective countries are posted

Step 4

A battle of epic proportion ensues where now The southern euros turn on each other calling themselves horrible names

Step 5

Northern Europeans and the other races of Asia, Africa etc crack open a bag of popcorn and enjoy the show


Step 6

Repeat back to step 1

tru

[Dorian]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214495-Ancient-Greek-faces-phenotypes

[FroZzenMind]

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/turkish-cockroach.jpg

[itilvolga]

http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/turkish-cockroach.jpg

trying to insult others when you feel yourself humiliated lol don't be ashamed because of your grandfathers pls

[FroZzenMind]

trying to insult others when you feel yourself humiliated lol don't be ashamed because of your grandfathers pls

http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/turkposting-loudly-cockroach-turkey-turkish-meme-animated-gif.gif

[AsianMountaineer]

And what means white?

General Euro look:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ac0BxACky5w/maxresdefault.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/01/13/30C868DC00000578-3426413-image-a-40_1454333051466.jpg

[itilvolga]

http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/turkposting-loudly-cockroach-turkey-turkish-meme-animated-gif.gif

ssshhhh pls

https://tenor.com/view/cries-in-spanish-gif-5355847

[FroZzenMind]

ssshhhh pls

https://tenor.com/view/cries-in-spanish-gif-5355847

hahaha you cant take jokes

[Egyptian]

Olive pickers love to change history .. typical olive pickers act.

[JMack]

They are Mediterranean.

It's a simple answer, I don't know why so much bitching about these depictions.

They could be mixed with Egyptians, but I bet you could find some Ancient Greeks from Greece looking like this as well. They are even similar to people depicted in Pompeii.

[Tauromachos]

General Euro look

Modern Greeks don't look like this neither

[Ghazi]

alpine+med

[brennus dux gallorum]

General Euro look:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ac0BxACky5w/maxresdefault.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/02/01/13/30C868DC00000578-3426413-image-a-40_1454333051466.jpg

Both in the first picture could pass in Greece, but much more rare than any Mediterranean euro type

The second, especially as a group is not passable

[Myanthropologies]

Either they may have Greek origin, or the pre-Turkic population was related to Greeks. Or both.


in Aegean Region (mostly in Izmir and Muğla) you can see so many people who looks like literally a Greek. in Blacksea Region, people (Turkish+Lazish) are usually similar with Georgians

To be fair, plenty of people from Izmir ARE ethnic Greeks and identify as such, not as ethnic Turks. The black Sea region has more people who would pass in European countries imo.

[gültekin]

in Aegean Region (mostly in Izmir and Muğla) you can see so many people who looks like literally a Greek. in Blacksea Region, people (Turkish+Lazish) are usually similar with Georgians

Don't be fucking ridiculous. İzmir (the settlement I mean) is mainly populated by Balkan Turks, Bosnians (and even some Sephardic Jewish families) etc who look nothing like Greeks. Balkan Turks can resemble Bulgarians but never Greeks. Bosnians also don't look Greek at all. The only community that resemble Greeks is Sephardic Jews.


Here is a Sephardic Jew from İzmir, he is genetically identical to Greeks and looks like one of them
http://media.sinematurk.com/person/1/41/184b5101b6d8/image001.jpg

[Morena]

I'll try this:

Gracile Med. Very good looking pair, especially the woman. She is beautiful!

[Odin]

Dinaro-Med.

[itilvolga]

Don't be fucking ridiculous. İzmir (the settlement I mean) is mainly populated by Balkan Turks, Bosnians (and even some Sephardic Jewish families) etc who look nothing like Greeks. Balkan Turks can resemble Bulgarians but never Greeks. Bosnians also don't look Greek at all. The only community that resemble Greeks is Sephardic Jews.

Are you trying to teach me Izmir people? I am from Izmir and well, here is not Thrace and we have so many Greeks who lives in Aliağa, Selçuk and some villages close to Aydın. Also Izmir is an old greek city, Smyrni. My village is Adagide and it was a Greek vojvoda town during Ottoman Empire's first centuries. Please don't try to teach me my own people one more time, Allah'ın Kalkandelenlisi.
Here is a Sephardic Jew from İzmir, he is genetically identical to Greeks and looks like one of them
http://media.sinematurk.com/person/1/41/184b5101b6d8/image001.jpg

[FroZzenMind]

trying to insult others when you feel yourself humiliated lol don't be ashamed because of your grandfathers pls

wut?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IHlgWAewnrc/TgDoYbyYUMI/AAAAAAAAD18/YlPm4vCjgq4/s1600/West_Eurasian_12.png

[FilhoV]

This thread ----

If I close my eyes hard enough maybe when I open them I'll be a Nordic

[FroZzenMind]

"We wuz da real ancient Greeks n sheeit"
Type thread

[Tauromachos]

Both in the first picture could pass in Greece,

Only as atypical!



but much more rare than any Mediterranean euro type
True!

[Freeroostah]

They don't look MENA enough to be what I think of as Egyptian, but they also do not look like modern day Greeks either.

They look Levantine or Hispanic xD

[Lavrentis]

To be fair, plenty of people from Izmir ARE ethnic Greeks and identify as such, not as ethnic Turks. The black Sea region has more people who would pass in European countries imo.

You don't know what you are talking about.

No one in Izmir is an ethinc Greek, most of the residents in Izmir are descendants of Balkan Turks.

And those who identify as ethnic Greeks are self hating Turks which is common in Turkey.