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Sikeliot
08-11-2017, 12:37 AM
By southeast England I mean Kent, East Anglia, etc. The most Anglo-Saxon part of the UK.

Are they still closer genetically to Irish than to Germans/Dutch?
War Chef
08-11-2017, 12:51 AM
Germans/Dutch.

http://i.imgur.com/KQFIyXp.jpg
TEUTORIGOS
08-11-2017, 12:56 AM
Obviously , the Dutch/Germans or probably more specifically the Frisians or old Saxony. Northern English and Scots have Gaelic/Goidelic/Gaidhlig or 'irish' blood. Mainland Scots are like halfway between the native Irish/Welsh and the English/Germanics.
Tooting Carmen
08-11-2017, 12:56 AM
In between.
Sikeliot
08-11-2017, 01:02 AM
On GEDMatch, Irish are not far from the SE English sample.
TEUTORIGOS
08-11-2017, 01:08 AM
On GEDMatch, Irish are not far from the SE English sample.

I dunno man sometimes I think GEDmatch might be highly flawed. There are more Irish immigrants in liverpool than SE England and northern England has closer ties to Scotland which has some Gaidhlig/Gaelic/Goidelic blood dating back to the Kingdom of Dal Riata probably. I guess it depends on if you are talking about below the River Thames which might have more Celtic blood but can't represent SouthEast England as a whole.

SouthEast English like East Anglian:

http://waytofamous.com/images/deborah-corrigan-01.jpg

Frisian :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcE-_FrVAAAC5F5.jpg
Dick
08-11-2017, 01:09 AM
Obviously , the Dutch/Germans or probably more specifically the Frisians or old Saxony. Northern English and Scots have Gaelic/Goidelic or 'irish' blood. Mainland Scots are like halfway between the native Irish/Welsh and the English/Germanics.

Frisians are the same as the Saxons. I did the 'Big Y' and I only have 3 exact matches at zero know snp difference. Another Canadian, a German from lower Saxony and a Frisian from Holland.
Loki
08-11-2017, 01:34 AM
By southeast England I mean Kent, East Anglia, etc. The most Anglo-Saxon part of the UK.

Are they still closer genetically to Irish than to Germans/Dutch?

Definitely closer to North Germans/Dutch.
Loki
08-11-2017, 01:36 AM
On GEDMatch, Irish are not far from the SE English sample.

You should remember there are not as many samples of the Dutch. A lot more of British and Irish.
Loki
08-11-2017, 01:42 AM
Germans/Dutch.

http://i.imgur.com/KQFIyXp.jpg

I see on this map there are a lot of instances where UK and NL overlap. That should be the answer to the question.
Voskos
08-12-2017, 09:50 AM
Frisians and Southern Danes.
Norb
05-19-2018, 05:29 PM
I am from SE England, and here is my plot https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=75566&d=1526750896