R1a haplogroup

[Сербо Макеридов]

Majority of Serbs from eastern Serbia are Vlach origin, they are assimilated in Serbian nation in 19th century.

[Сербо Макеридов]

My mistake, I'm wrote in one of previous messages that Serbs from Serbia have 35% I2a and 18% R1a, that is Y DNA of Serbia (not of Serbs from Serbia), some minorities are also tested, in Serbia 20% of population are not ethnic Serbs.

[Jana]

>hungarians MUST be closer to South Slavs , and specifically Croats, than to SLovaks because I am croat and my bf is hungarian
phew nice argument you got there.

Why don't you ask Slovak user Karol about it ? You're just butthurt Croats don't cluster with Serbs for some reason.


The surname 'Horvath' meant any south Slav, a Slovak user explained that on Reddit.
So Hungarians are more Central Euro shifted? Because Czechs are more Central Euro than Hungarians for example.
Horvats mean Croat, how can it mean any south Slav ? Or do you imply all Southern Slavs are Croats ?

It mean person who came from teritory of Croatian Kingdom (Dalmatia) in middle ages.

I haven't seen many Czech results but they are more Western shifted than Slovaks, but equally Northern (more than Hungarians).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Why don't you ask Slovak user Karol about it ? You're just butthurt Croats don't cluster with Serbs for some reason.


Horvats mean Croat, how can it mean any south Slav ? Or do you imply all Southern Slavs are Croats ?

It mean person who came from teritory of Croatian Kingdom (Dalmatia) in middle ages.

I haven't seen many Czech results but they are more Western shifted than Slovaks, but equally Northern (more than Hungarians).

Theory "All Southern Slavs are Croats" is a hollow story..

[Сербо Макеридов]

Why don't you ask Slovak user Karol about it ? You're just butthurt Croats don't cluster with Serbs for some reason.


Horvats mean Croat, how can it mean any south Slav ? Or do you imply all Southern Slavs are Croats ?

It mean person who came from teritory of Croatian Kingdom (Dalmatia) in middle ages.

I haven't seen many Czech results but they are more Western shifted than Slovaks, but equally Northern (more than Hungarians).

Your boyfriend claims that Hungarians have more northern DNA than Slovaks.

He claims that Slovaks are swarty people (almost as Gypsies) with a lot of mongoloid influence.

Everyone know that Slovaks are lighter pigmented than Hungarians on average, without any turanid or mongoloid influence unlike Hungarians.

[Jana]

Theory "All Southern Slavs are Croats" is a hollow story..

You're dumb. We are not Serbs neither I want all Southern Slavs to be Croats.
I said surname Horvath mean Croat (Hrvat), not Southern Slav. And it exist in Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia, Austria and Slavonia (eastern Croatia), but not in Dalmatia where it originates from.

However it doesn't mean people with surname Horvath are Croats.

[Jana]

Your boyfriend claims that Hungarians have more northern DNA than Slovaks.

He claims that Slovaks are swarty people (almost as Gypsies) with a lot of mongoloid influence.

Everyone know that Slovaks are lighter pigmented than Hungarians on average, without any turanid or mongoloid influence unlike Hungarians.

They are not more Northern. He claims they are more Western and that is true.
I don't think Slovaks are darker than Hungarians, but I think they should be more eastern European looking, as they mixed with Germans much less.

I like Slovaks, so don't expect me to spread nationalist-driven agenda against them :)

[Сербо Макеридов]

They are not more Northern. He claims they are more Western and that is true.
I don't think Slovaks are darker than Hungarians, but I think they should be more eastern European looking, as they mixed with Germans much less.

I like Slovaks, so don't expect me to spread nationalist-driven agenda against them :)

But your boyfriend hates Slovaks.

[Jana]

But your boyfriend hates Slovaks.
I don't think that's true.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I don't think that's true.

Where i said that you are Serbs?? Get glasses if you can't see clearly

[Jana]

Here are Y DNA of Bosnian Serbs imgur.com/8p5XcVn

As you can see I2a is 33% and R1a is 26%, which means that Bosnian Serbs have 59% Slavic Y DNA.

In Serbia there is a 53% Slavic Y DNA (I2a 35%, R1a 18%).

Hungarians have 45,5% Slavic Y DNA (R1a 29,5%, I2a 16%).

If you're not runnig away from classes of mathematics, the you know who is more Slavic.

Croatian YDNA for comparison:

Sample size : 149

I2a = 36%
I2 dinaric-south - 45
I2 dinaric-north - 6
I2 western - 1
I2 M223 - 1

R1a = 26%
R1a Z280 - 24
R1a M458 - 4
R1a M198 - 4
R1a M420 - 4
R1a Z283 - 2

E1b = 11%
E-V13 -17

J2 = 10%
J2a - 7
J2b2 M421 - 4
J2b1 M205 - 4

R1b = 9%
R1b L23 - 4
R1b L51 - 3
R1b - 4
R1b L21 - 2
R1b U106 - 2

I1 = 4%
I1 M253 - 5
I1 - 1

Q1 = 2%
Q1b - 2
Q1a - 1

[Jana]

Where i said that you are Serbs?? Get glasses if you can't see clearly
You said I claim all Southern Slavs are Croats. HELL NO!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You said I claim all Southern Slavs are Croats. HELL NO!

I just give constatation that they are not. Nothing more.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Croatian YDNA for comparison:

Sample size : 149

I2a = 36%
I2 dinaric-south - 45
I2 dinaric-north - 6
I2 western - 1
I2 M223 - 1

R1a = 26%
R1a Z280 - 24
R1a M458 - 4
R1a M198 - 4
R1a M420 - 4
R1a Z283 - 2

E1b = 11%
E-V13 -17

J2 = 10%
J2a - 7
J2b2 M421 - 4
J2b1 M205 - 4

R1b = 9%
R1b L23 - 4
R1b L51 - 3
R1b - 4
R1b L21 - 2
R1b U106 - 2

I1 = 4%
I1 M253 - 5
I1 - 1

Q1 = 2%
Q1b - 2
Q1a - 1

Do you have data of Croatian Y DNA by regions?

[Jana]

Do you have data of Croatian Y DNA by regions?

* Blue = Southern Croats
Pink = Eastern Croats
Red = Northern Croats
Green = Western Croats

I2:
BiH Croats (73%)
Hvar (65%)
Zadar (60%)
Brac, Korcula (55%)
Dubrovnik (53%)
Vis (44%)
Osijek, Krk (27%)
Zumberak (18%)
Cres (3%)

R1a:
Cres (56%)
Osijek (39%)
Krk (37%)
Zumberak (34%)
Brac (25%)
Korcula (20%)
Vis (17%)
Dubrovnik (13%)
BIH Croats (12%)
Hvar (8%)
Zadar (4%)

R1b
Dugi Otok (25%)
Krk (16%)
Zumberak (11%)
Dubrovnik, Southern Islands (4%)
BIH Croats (1-6%)

I1
Dubrovnik (9%)

E-V13
Vis (23%)
Zumberak (18%)
Dugi Otok, Mljet (15%)
Ugljan (13%)
Osijek (10%)
Krk (7%)
Cres (3%)

J2
Pasman (16%)
Cres (14%)
Ugljan, Krk (10%)
BIH Croats (1%)

G2a:
Osijek (14%)
Mljet (15%)
Korcula (10%)
Cres (7%)
Brac (6%)

Q:
Hvar (14%)
Korcula (7%)


Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Croats

[Vlatko Vukovic]

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

Every country, every nation DNA

[Сербо Макеридов]

* Blue = Southern Croats
Pink = Eastern Croats
Red = Northern Croats
Green = Western Croats

I2:
BiH Croats (73%)
Hvar (65%)
Zadar (60%)
Brac, Korcula (55%)
Dubrovnik (53%)
Vis (44%)
Osijek, Krk (27%)
Zumberak (18%)
Cres (3%)

R1a:
Cres (56%)
Osijek (39%)
Krk (37%)
Zumberak (34%)
Brac (25%)
Korcula (20%)
Vis (17%)
Dubrovnik (13%)
BIH Croats (12%)
Hvar (8%)
Zadar (4%)

R1b
Dugi Otok (25%)
Krk (16%)
Zumberak (11%)
Dubrovnik, Southern Islands (4%)
BIH Croats (1-6%)

I1
Dubrovnik (9%)

E-V13
Vis (23%)
Zumberak (18%)
Dugi Otok, Mljet (15%)
Ugljan (13%)
Osijek (10%)
Krk (7%)
Cres (3%)

J2
Pasman (16%)
Cres (14%)
Ugljan, Krk (10%)
BIH Croats (1%)

G2a:
Osijek (14%)
Mljet (15%)
Korcula (10%)
Cres (7%)
Brac (6%)

Q:
Hvar (14%)
Korcula (7%)


Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Croats

Percentage of R1a at Hvar and Cres, also percentage of I2a among BiH Croats and at Cres, incredibly! :ranger

[Vlatko Vukovic]

* Blue = Southern Croats
Pink = Eastern Croats
Red = Northern Croats
Green = Western Croats

I2:
BiH Croats (73%)
Hvar (65%)
Zadar (60%)
Brac, Korcula (55%)
Dubrovnik (53%)
Vis (44%)
Osijek, Krk (27%)
Zumberak (18%)
Cres (3%)

R1a:
Cres (56%)
Osijek (39%)
Krk (37%)
Zumberak (34%)
Brac (25%)
Korcula (20%)
Vis (17%)
Dubrovnik (13%)
BIH Croats (12%)
Hvar (8%)
Zadar (4%)

R1b
Dugi Otok (25%)
Krk (16%)
Zumberak (11%)
Dubrovnik, Southern Islands (4%)
BIH Croats (1-6%)

I1
Dubrovnik (9%)

E-V13
Vis (23%)
Zumberak (18%)
Dugi Otok, Mljet (15%)
Ugljan (13%)
Osijek (10%)
Krk (7%)
Cres (3%)

J2
Pasman (16%)
Cres (14%)
Ugljan, Krk (10%)
BIH Croats (1%)

G2a:
Osijek (14%)
Mljet (15%)
Korcula (10%)
Cres (7%)
Brac (6%)

Q:
Hvar (14%)
Korcula (7%)


Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Croats

Hvar 14% Q ?? how is that possible?

[Jana]

Percentage of R1a at Hvar and Cres, also percentage of I2a among BiH Croats and at Cres, incredibly! :ranger
Hvar and Cres are islands so ofcourse they will show founder effect. And most of BiH Croats tested are from Western Herzegovina, what did you expect ? :D

[Lollipop]

Hvar 14% Q ?? how is that possible?

Croat tribe was Avar Q, while the Serb one was slavic R1a...

[Jana]

Hvar 14% Q ?? how is that possible?

Genetic isolation of Adriatic islands cause infalted percentages of some haplogroups because of founder effect.
That why it's best to observe nation-wide studies.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Croat tribe was Avar Q, while the Serb one was slavic R1a...

Croat tribe was also Slavic tribe... But yes.. they had something with Avars... title "Ban" is Croatian title with Avar origin. Also used in Bosnia.

[Jana]

Croat tribe was Avar Q, while the Serb one was slavic R1a...

Croats have more R1a than Serbs....
And our Serb friends claim Q on Hvar is Jewish...

:D

[Сербо Макеридов]

From "Serbian DNA project"

Serbs from Kordun and Banija

I2a - 44%

R1a - 22%

E-V13 - 11%

J2b - 8%

N2 - 6%

G - 6%

I1 - 3%


Serbs from Dalmatia

I2a - 40%

I1 - 18%

E-V13 - 14%

R1a - 10%

J2b - 10%

N2 - 4%

R1b - 2%

J1 - 2%

[Jana]

From "Serbian DNA project"

Serbs from Kordun and Banija

I2a - 44%

R1a - 22%

E-V13 - 11%

J2b - 8%

N2 - 6%

G - 6%

I1 - 3%


Serbs from Dalmatia

I2a - 40%

I1 - 18%

E-V13 - 14%

R1a - 10%

J2b - 10%

N2 - 4%

R1b - 2%

J1 - 2%

High I2.

Where is the N2 coming from ? You have not so little of it...

[Сербо Макеридов]

High I2.

Where is the N2 coming from ? You have not so little of it...

From Banjani and Pivljani clans in western Montenegro (Stara Hercegovina).

[Jana]

From Banjani and Pivljani clans in western Montenegro (Stara Hercegovina).

Yes, but who carried it to Hercegovina ? N is from Siberia !

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes, but who carried it to Hercegovina ? N is from Siberia !

It is not yet known.

Y DNA of Serbs from Kordun and Banija is quite similar as Y DNA of Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It is not yet known.

Y DNA of Serbs from Kordun and Banija is quite similar as Y DNA of Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims).

Bosniaks have 1% N
Bosnian Serbs 1% too
Bosnian Croats 0%

That is what says eupedia, but Serbia have 2.5% N.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Bosniaks have 1% N
Bosnian Serbs 1% too
Bosnian Croats 0%

That is what says eupedia, but Serbia have 2.5% N.

Sample for Serbs from Kordun and Banija is 36, and for Dalmatian Serbs 48, which is pretty small.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Sample for Serbs from Kordun and Banija is 36, and for Dalmatian Serbs 48, which is pretty small.

But 1% N is nothing... Even central European country - Germany have 1% N... Same as Bosnia

[Сербо Макеридов]

But 1% N is nothing... Even central European country - Germany have 1% N... Same as Bosnia

N2-Y6503 haplogroup among Serbs is from Banjani and Pivljani clans in western Montenegro (Stara Hercegovina), that bruchs is very ancient and it is present in Europe at least 3000 years.

Branch N2-Y6503 which is present amon Pivljani and Banjani tribe is different from the Finno-Ugric branch N1c.

[Rethel]

Where is the N2 coming from ? You have not so little of it...

From Modźorosag.
Interesingly is, that all countries around
have more N than Hungary herself. As they
would all went away in all directions :laugh:

[Porn Master]

From "Serbian DNA project"

Serbs from Kordun and Banija

I2a - 44%

R1a - 22%

E-V13 - 11%

J2b - 8%

N2 - 6%

G - 6%

I1 - 3%


Serbs from Dalmatia

I2a - 40%

I1 - 18%

E-V13 - 14%

R1a - 10%

J2b - 10%

N2 - 4%

R1b - 2%

J1 - 2%






http://vocaroo.com/i/s1JGWH6CRRci

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h2JIDnxxMN4/VeM5-WvpceI/AAAAAAAAABc/3tZ5nHuBTRM/w530-h532-p/848822chetnik.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1U-dQ4T2CbA/VyaVtc93voI/AAAAAAAAAK4/dgdNfYDnxiA-LCte21hfrI2jDIa3ZHJdw/w530-h350-p/63D60035-EB3C-4684-BE31-09078C74EC90.GIF

[Vlatko Vukovic]

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1JGWH6CRRci

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h2JIDnxxMN4/VeM5-WvpceI/AAAAAAAAABc/3tZ5nHuBTRM/w530-h532-p/848822chetnik.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1U-dQ4T2CbA/VyaVtc93voI/AAAAAAAAAK4/dgdNfYDnxiA-LCte21hfrI2jDIa3ZHJdw/w530-h350-p/63D60035-EB3C-4684-BE31-09078C74EC90.GIF

A lot of Albanians looks like this man.

[Porn Master]

A lot of Albanians looks like this man.






I know xD

[Lavrentis]

Genetic isolation of Adriatic islands cause infalted percentages of some haplogroups because of founder effect.
That why it's best to observe nation-wide studies.

So Q developed on Hvar because of the founder effect? But that means that a small population carrying Q settled there and being isolated, it led to high numbers. Or no?

[Сербо Макеридов]

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1JGWH6CRRci

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h2JIDnxxMN4/VeM5-WvpceI/AAAAAAAAABc/3tZ5nHuBTRM/w530-h532-p/848822chetnik.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1U-dQ4T2CbA/VyaVtc93voI/AAAAAAAAAK4/dgdNfYDnxiA-LCte21hfrI2jDIa3ZHJdw/w530-h350-p/63D60035-EB3C-4684-BE31-09078C74EC90.GIF

Gypsy in Serbian uniform.

[Porn Master]

Gypsy in Serbian uniform.






Not true.

[Jana]

So Q developed on Hvar because of the founder effect? But that means that a small population carrying Q settled there and being isolated, it led to high numbers. Or no?

Yes, I think that's exactly the case. :)

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes, I think that's exactly the case. :)

Maybe Q on Hvar came with Jews, Ashkenazi Jews have high percentage of Q haplogroup.

[Jana]

Maybe Q on Hvar came with Jews, Ashkenazi Jews have high percentage of Q haplogroup.
Mediterranean traders Jews were always Sephardic. They have around 2% of Q. I doubt it.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Hm, what Jews have to do with Central Asia?? Q is clearly Central Asian haplogroup

[Сербо Макеридов]

Mediterranean traders Jews were always Sephardic. They have around 2% of Q. I doubt it.

Askhenazi have pretty much Q and R1a-Z93, probably descendants of Khazars.

There is also Asian mitichondrial DNA on Hvar, Brač an Korčula, look at here hr.metapedia.org/wiki/Mitohondrijska_DNK_Hrvatica#Na.C5.A1e_mitohondrijs ke_haplogrupe

[Сербо Макеридов]

Hm, what Jews have to do with Central Asia?? Q is clearly Central Asian haplogroup

Ashkenazi are partly descendants of Turkic Khazars.


https://youtu.be/HPoHbpurYII

[Rethel]

Askhenazi have pretty much Q and R1a-Z93, probably descendants of Khazars.

Idk how Q, but majority of Z93 are descendants of one guy from
Middle Ages (something around Xth century if I remember correctly).

But considering the fact, that all Jews are descendants of
couple of dozens of people from Middle Ages, Q probably is too.

[Jana]

I read something about how Longbowman wrote how Jewish Q is native to Levant when AngloJew (Q-carrying Askhanazi) said they are Khazars/Schynatians etc.

So it may be very old in the middle east, but ultimately it's of mongoloid origin.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I read something about how Longbowman wrote how Jewish Q is native to Levant when AngloJew (Q-carrying Askhanazi) said they are Khazars/Schynatians etc.

So it may be very old in the middle east, but ultimately it's of mongoloid origin.

But according some scientists, Scythians are ancestors of Slavic peoples... How they have relativities with Jews or Central Asia?

[Lavrentis]

Imo, there are two possible ways that Q went to Hvar.

1) One of those Central Asian tribes who invaded the Balkans (Huns, Cumans, Pechenegs etc) settled in the island and them being isolated, it made a big impact.

2) When the Slavs invaded the Balkans, they brought Central Asian slaves with them and Hvar was probably the place were they allowed these Central Asian slaves to settle.

[Lollipop]

But according some scientists, Scythians are ancestors of Slavic peoples... How they have relativities with Jews or Central Asia?

Dont expect anything Stearsolina/Feishy says to make sense.

[Lavrentis]

I just found an artice about people from Hvar supposedly descending from a Chinese fleet, a very interesting read.

http://www.total-croatia-news.com/hvar-news/7602-are-people-from-hvar-descended-from-china-the-dna-evidence

[Dick]

I read something about how Longbowman wrote how Jewish Q is native to Levant when AngloJew (Q-carrying Askhanazi) said they are Khazars/Schynatians etc.

So it may be very old in the middle east, but ultimately it's of mongoloid origin.

The Q on Hvar island is of the same subclade as some of the Szekely Hungarians from Romania, is it not?

[Jana]

But according some scientists, Scythians are ancestors of Slavic peoples... How they have relativities with Jews or Central Asia?
They are not only ancestors of Slavs but other Eurasian people too.


I just found an artice about people from Hvar supposedly descending from a Chinese fleet, a very interesting read.

http://www.total-croatia-news.com/hvar-news/7602-are-people-from-hvar-descended-from-china-the-dna-evidence
But Q is not so common in China, it mostly Siberian/Amerindian marker as ar as I Know.


The Q on Hvar island is of the same subclade as some of the Szekely Hungarians from Romania, is it not?
I don't Know. There is a Szekelyi specific cluster of Q i think, read about it on Hungarian FTDNA page

[Dick]

I1
Dubrovnik (9%)



All from Dubrovnik? I wonder if any of them share the same markers with Macura and Drobnjak clansmen.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

They are not only ancestors of Slavs but other Eurasian people too.


But Q is not so common in China, it mostly Siberian/Amerindian marker as ar as I Know.



I don't Know. There is a Szekelyi specific cluster of Q i think, read about it on Hungarian FTDNA page


I speak about proto-Slavs.
Sarmatians and Scythians.. what more people?

[Jana]

All from Dubrovnik? I wonder if any of them share the same markers with Macura and Drobnjak clansmen.
Yes that was exactly my toughts. Dubrovnik is extremely close to Montenegro, I bet they match I1 haplotypes there.

[Jana]

I speak about proto-Slavs.
Sarmatians and Scythians.. what more people?
They were Iranics, not Slavs. One of their direct descendants (al least linguistically) are Ossetians in Caucasus mountains.

[Dick]

Yes that was exactly my toughts. Dubrovnik is extremely close to Montenegro, I bet they match I1 haplotypes there.

That's odd. I know there is an I1 Bosniak from Herzegovinia on Serbia dna project and he is closest to Macura clan.

[Jana]

That's odd. I know there is an I1 Bosniak from Herzegovinia on Serbia dna project and he is closest to Macura clan.
Norman ancestry ? :)

[Vlatko Vukovic]

They were Iranics, not Slavs. One of their direct descendants (al least linguistically) are Ossetians in Caucasus mountains.

Yes they were Iranics, so what... Iranics is no same term as Persian. A lot of tribes were iranic with different cultures and language.

[Jana]

Yes they were Iranics, so what... Iranics is no same term as Persian. A lot of tribes were iranic with different cultures and language.

There was Slavic-Iranic linguistical and cultural contact in Ukraine/Southern Russia but again Slavs are not the same as Schyntians/Sarmatians.

Slavs were settled farmers while Iranics were equestrian nomads....quite a difference

[Dick]

Norman ancestry ? :)

Macura males seem to be of Gothic ancestry or Slavicized Goths than came to the Balkans with the Slav migrations. They branch off from a Belarusian on yfull and the Belarusian branches off from other Germanics etc.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

There was Slavic-Iranic linguistical and cultural contact in Ukraine/Southern Russia but again Slavs are not the same as Schyntians/Sarmatians.

Slavs were settled farmers while Iranics were equestrian nomads....quite a difference

I know that is difference, but Sarmatians, Scythians and Venedi left a big mark in Slavic cultural-linguistic identity.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Macura males seem to be of Gothic ancestry or Slavicized Goths than came to the Balkans with the Slav migrations. They branch off from a Belarusian on yfull and the Belarusian branches off from other Germanics etc.

Before 1995 in this place balkans.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/kistanje_5.jpg I1 probably was 50%+.

[Jana]

Before 1995 in this place balkans.aljazeera.net/sites/default/files/kistanje_5.jpg I1 probably was 50%+.

Most notorious Chetnik village in entire Dalmatia.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Most notorious Chetnik village in entire Dalmatia.

For sure. :coffee:

There is no more or very few holders of I1-Z63 in Kistanje, now they mostly live in Belgrade.


https://youtu.be/bVNAzP64_z8

[Lollipop]

They were Iranics, not Slavs. One of their direct descendants (al least linguistically) are Ossetians in Caucasus mountains.

Ossetians being descendent from Scythians/sarmatians was debunked long ago.Some scientific study presented a few months ago concluded they are just average caucasus trash.
Language is not related with genetics.Closest to scythians/sarmatians are north slavs.
You say that scyto-sarmatians were nomads, yet its not true.They feed themselvs with grains and milk.

[Jana]

For sure. :coffee:

There is no more or very few holders of I1-Z63 in Kistanje, now they mostly live in Belgrade.


https://youtu.be/bVNAzP64_z8

It's still a Chetnik stronghold, especially in manastir Krka.
Kistanje is in my mother's county, so I Know well who they are .

[Lollipop]

It's still a Chetnik stronghold, especially in manastir Krka.
Kistanje is in my mother's county, so I Know well who they are .

Why are you so against the Chetnik ideology?I mean, they are not the one's who killed 6-8 million serbs just a few decades ago.

[Сербо Макеридов]

It's still a Chetnik stronghold, especially in manastir Krka.
Kistanje is in my mother's county, so I Know well who they are .

Your mother is from Kistanje?

I though that you are from Bosnia.

Kistanje is now mostly populated by Janjevci.

[Longbowman]

I just found an artice about people from Hvar supposedly descending from a Chinese fleet, a very interesting read.

http://www.total-croatia-news.com/hvar-news/7602-are-people-from-hvar-descended-from-china-the-dna-evidence

Unlikely to be true.

Q is rare amongst Chinese people (Han but also most indigenous groups) and amongst East Asians in general. There'd also be at least SOME O if it were true. Also no autosomal proof.

[Jana]

Why are you so against the Chetnik ideology?I mean, they are not the one's who killed 6-8 million serbs just a few decades ago.

Chetniks and Ustashe are two sides of the same coin, except that Chetniks were royalists and Ustashe republicans

[Lollipop]

Chetniks and Ustashe are two sides of the same coin, except that Chetniks were royalists and Ustashe republicans

You can't say no until you try it.

[Jana]

Your mother is from Kistanje?

I though that you are from Bosnia.

Kistanje is now mostly populated by Janjevci.

My mother is from Šibenik.
Serbs are still majority in Kistanje, many came back from Serbia in last years.

[Pahli]

Ossetians being descendent from Scythians/sarmatians was debunked long ago.Some scientific study presented a few months ago concluded they are just average caucasus trash.
Language is not related with genetics.Closest to scythians/sarmatians are north slavs.
You say that scyto-sarmatians were nomads, yet its not true.They feed themselvs with grains and milk.

You are partially correct; Ossetians however are descendants of a Sarmatian tribe, the Alans of North Caucasia, they got slaughtered by the Mongols and Timurids, so the remnants of them must have mixed with the native Caucasians and in that way their language got heavy influence from neighbouring Caucasian people but they also got genetically shifted towards the North of Caucasia.

Scythians and Sarmatians weren't entirely similar; it seems that Scythians were more East Asian and West Asian admixed compared to Sarmatians, I'll post two examples here;

Sarmatian_Pokrovka

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 56.28
2 West_Asia 22.28
3 SW_Europe 13.74
4 Siberia 5.17
5 South_Asia 1.4
6 Americas 1.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Mordovian 13.97
2 Russian 15.84
3 Belarusian 18.16
4 Ukrainian 18.32
5 Polish 18.37

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.9% Finnish + 38.1% Chechen @ 7.41
2 65.7% Finnish + 34.3% Adygei @ 8.7
3 66.7% Latvian + 33.3% Tadjik @ 9.09
4 67.6% Finnish + 32.4% Dagestan_Azeri @ 9.15
5 65.5% Latvian + 34.5% Chechen @ 9.32

Scythian_IA

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE_Europe 47.19
2 West_Asia 24.04
3 SW_Europe 13.65
4 Siberia 6.75
5 South_Asia 3.11
6 Americas 3.02
7 NE_Asia 1.25
8 SE_Asia 0.98

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 13.67
2 Chuvash 18.02
3 Mordovian 18.65
4 Moldavian 20.39
5 Ukrainian 20.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.3% Mordovian + 37.7% Tadjik @ 7.16
2 51.8% Latvian + 48.2% Tadjik @ 7.24
3 51.9% Lithuanian + 48.1% Tadjik @ 7.38
4 58.5% Russian + 41.5% Tadjik @ 7.41
5 67.8% Mordovian + 32.2% Afghan_Pashtun @ 7.44

[Rethel]

Unlikely to be true.

Q is rare amongst Chinese people (Han but also most indigenous groups) and amongst East Asians in general. There'd also be at least SOME O if it were true. Also no autosomal proof.

Asia is worse represenativly tested as Europe, but from this defragmentated
data what shows Wiki, Q is even up too five or more times rare in China, than Q.

Could be some four million men.

[Rethel]

You are partially correct; Ossetians however are descendants of a Sarmatian tribe, the Alans of North Caucasia,

It is rather, that ossetian language is a remain of Alans.
Only 12% of them are even Indoeuropeans, so in the major
part of their whole mass, can't be called descendants.

[Pahli]

It is rather, that ossetian language is a remain of Alans.
Only 12% of them are even Indoeuropeans, so in the major
part of their whole mass, can't be called descendants.

Their culture is still partly Steppe based if you look at their mythology.

[Jana]

I think Q on Hvar is from Avars. But we can't know since we don't know which subclades of Q Hvar people have and there are no ancient Avar remains tested until this day.

[Jana]

It is rather, that ossetian language is a remain of Alans.
Only 12% of them are even Indoeuropeans, so in the major
part of their whole mass, can't be called descendants.

J2 common among Ossetians is very indo-European related, and they didn't get such language from thin air.
Schynians/Sarmatians weren't genetically monolithic people for sure.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I think Q on Hvar is from Avars. But we can't know since we don't know which subclades of Q Hvar people have and there are no ancient Avar remains tested until this day.

Pbobably, because there is also Asian mitochondrial DNA at Hvar,Brač and Korčula.

Serbian historian Jovan Deretić claims that Avars have setted in several places in Dalmatia.

He claims that Avars were setted in Dalmatian Hinterland around Sinj, Vrlika and in the few places at Zrmanja river.

Maybe he's right, perhabs those Avars from Dalmatian Hinterland are later migrated at Hvar, Brač and Korčula.

[Jana]

Pbobably, because there is also Asian mitochondrial DNA at Hvar,Brač and Korčula.

Serbian historian Jovan Deretić claims that Avars have setted in several places in Dalmatia.

He claims that Avars were setted in Dalmatian Hinterland around Sinj, Vrlika and in few places at Zrmanja river.

Maybe he's right, perhabs those Avars from Dalmatian Hinterland are later migrated at Hvar, Brač and Korčula.

They are documented in Dalmatia,but many scholars claim they weren't permanentely settled like in Carpathian Basin but just went to looting/robing campaigns against rich Roman cities on Dalmatian coast. When Croats came from north they did encounter them though.

If Jovan Deretic is considered authority in Serbia, you have a big problem....

[Rethel]

Their culture is still partly Steppe based if you look at their mythology.

Stories are usually passing through language.
If they absorbed alanian language, then also stories and customs.
And of course Alanas are a main group among them who influenced others.
For example, polish sarmatians, being 7% of all population influenced others, so
much, that almost all Poles (exept etrografic groups) probably live in our culture and
share our customs and stories. The most national heros in literature or film, are Sarmatians,
and this culture is what is usually called polish traditional culture.

It doesn;t mean, that all Poles are nobles now. It would be idiotic statement.
The same as in other cases like Ossetian one for example.

Sarmatian in the polish meaning of course, not ancient one.

[Rethel]

J2 common among Ossetians is very indo-European related,

Nope.
J2 is pre-IE asianic/hurrian/cacuasian whaterevr you wanna cll that peoples in that region.


and they didn't get such language from thin air.

Of course not, I didn;t say it.


Schynians/Sarmatians weren't genetically monolithic people for sure.

Not, but as in any tribe, there were people from the begining
of the world (originals fitting to the identity of the tribe) and
newcomers from the outside absorbed underway by different
ways, and not all absorbing was equally assimilating.

[Сербо Макеридов]

They are documented in Dalmatia,but many scholars claim they weren't permanenetly settled like in Carpathia Basin but just went to looting/robing campaigns against rich Roman cities on Dalmatian coast. WHen Croats came from north they did encounter them though.

If Jovan Deretic is cnsidered authority in Serbia, you have a big problem....

Q haplogroup at Hvar which is inheritance of Avars proves thar Deretić is right. :coffee:

Some Croats claims that proto-Croats were branch of Avars/Oghuzs.

Look here:

hercegbosna.org/forum/ex-yu/avarsko-porijeklo-hrvata-koji-su-hunski-nomadski-narod-iz-centralne-azije-t5249.html

www.index.hr/forum/97/povijest/tema/344601/hrvat-su-genetski-i-izgubljeno-tursko-pleme-oguri.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats#Avar_theory

[Jana]

The most national heros in literature or film, are Sarmatians,
and this culture is what is usually called polish traditional culture.

It doesn;t mean, that all Poles are nobles now. It would be idiotic statement.
The same as in other cases like Ossetian one for example.

Sarmatian in the polish meaning of course, not ancient one.

What Sarmatian means in Polish sense ? You mean schzlahta who claims Sarmatian ancestry ?
It is similar to Hungarian nobility that claims Hunnic descent - national romanticism :P

[Jana]

Q haplogroup at Hvar which is inheritance of Avars proves thar Deretić is right. :coffee:

Some Croats claims that proto-Croats were branch of Avars/Oghuzs.

Look here:

hercegbosna.org/forum/ex-yu/avarsko-porijeklo-hrvata-koji-su-hunski-nomadski-narod-iz-centralne-azije-t5249.html

www.index.hr/forum/97/povijest/tema/344601/hrvat-su-genetski-i-izgubljeno-tursko-pleme-oguri.aspx

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_hypotheses_of_the_Croats#Avar_theory

It belongs to alternate history.

Croats are only ethnonym that appears among southern, western and eastern Slavic people. :)

[Сербо Макеридов]

Turkic-Avar genes are strong in this Croat. :cool:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niko_Kovač

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Niko_Kovac23.jpg/1200px-Niko_Kovac23.jpg

[Rethel]

What Sarmatian means in Polish sense ? You mean schzlahta who claims Sarmatian ancestry ?
It is similar to Hungarian nobility that claims Hunnic descent - national romanticism :P

Yes.
This is why I prefer to use for ancient people term Sauromat than Sarmat.
But I do not think, that here this difference would be undestood or noticed.

But whatever term you used for this people, the truth remains,
that not all Poles today are them, even if them speak the same
language or share the same culture and stories.

[Porn Master]

Turkic-Avar genes are strong in this Croat. :cool:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niko_Kovač

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Niko_Kovac23.jpg/1200px-Niko_Kovac23.jpg






better than them



http://cetnici.rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vojvoda-slavko-300x225.jpg

http://www.prvimagazin.com/GALERIJE-PM/2015/06/97046/_slika_1.jpg



xd

[Сербо Макеридов]

better than them



http://cetnici.rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vojvoda-slavko-300x225.jpg

http://www.prvimagazin.com/GALERIJE-PM/2015/06/97046/_slika_1.jpg



xd

Stup up Mongoloid retard, what are you obsessed with Serbs?

These guys are dubious origin, fist guy look like Gypsy and second guy look very Albanian.

[Porn Master]

Stup up Mongoloid retard, what are you obsessed with Serbs?

These guys are dubious origin, fist guy look like Gypsy and second guy look very Albanian.



sing song xd



http://vocaroo.com/i/s1JGWH6CRRci

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h2JIDnxxMN4/VeM5-WvpceI/AAAAAAAAABc/3tZ5nHuBTRM/w530-h532-p/848822chetnik.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1U-dQ4T2CbA/VyaVtc93voI/AAAAAAAAAK4/dgdNfYDnxiA-LCte21hfrI2jDIa3ZHJdw/w530-h350-p/63D60035-EB3C-4684-BE31-09078C74EC90.GIF

[itilvolga]

http://www.sheclick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Jelena-Jankovic.jpg

look who is here: Serbian tennis player Jelena Jankovic :wink

[Сербо Макеридов]

sing song xd



http://vocaroo.com/i/s1JGWH6CRRci

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h2JIDnxxMN4/VeM5-WvpceI/AAAAAAAAABc/3tZ5nHuBTRM/w530-h532-p/848822chetnik.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1U-dQ4T2CbA/VyaVtc93voI/AAAAAAAAAK4/dgdNfYDnxiA-LCte21hfrI2jDIa3ZHJdw/w530-h350-p/63D60035-EB3C-4684-BE31-09078C74EC90.GIF

This one is better


https://youtu.be/pC9t4OgV54c

[Porn Master]

This one is better


https://youtu.be/pC9t4OgV54c





this song should be the most chauvinistic song ever xD

[Jana]

Stup up Mongoloid retard, what are you obsessed with Serbs?

These guys are dubious origin, fist guy look like Gypsy and second guy look very Albanian.

No. They look like Serbs, and that's what they are.

[Сербо Макеридов]

No. They look like Serbs, and that's what they are.

Sergej Trufunović look average Albanian, he is probably Albanian bastard.

He loves Shiptars and hate Serbs, he support LGBT community, he is very hated among Serbs.

[Jana]

Sergej Trufunović look average Albanian, he is probably Albanian bastard.
Absolutely not. His face is enough recongizable for Serb. And he fits better in Romania/Bulgaria than Albania.


You are just butthurt because many Serbs are quite swarthy.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Absolutely not. His face is enough recongizable for Serb. And he fits better in Romania/Bulgaria than Albania.


You are just butthurt because many Serbs are quite swarthy.

https://youtu.be/hj_mdCb4RyY?t=47s

He does not have a typical Serbian look.

[Jana]

https://youtu.be/hj_mdCb4RyY?t=47s

He does not have a typical Serbian look.

If there was Swedish looking Serb posted you wouldn't call him atypical or Germanic bastard. I diagnose you with nordicism

[Pahli]

This one is better


https://youtu.be/pC9t4OgV54c

Catchy lmfao xD

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Pbobably, because there is also Asian mitochondrial DNA at Hvar,Brač and Korčula.

Serbian historian Jovan Deretić claims that Avars have setted in several places in Dalmatia.

He claims that Avars were setted in Dalmatian Hinterland around Sinj, Vrlika and in the few places at Zrmanja river.





He claims that all Slavic people are Serbs. He claims that Serbs came from Mesopotamia.
Maybe he's right, perhabs those Avars from Dalmatian Hinterland are later migrated at Hvar, Brač and Korčula.

[Porn Master]

If there was Swedish looking Serb posted you wouldn't call him atypical or Germanic bastard. I diagnose you with nordicism




OWD cries

[Сербо Макеридов]

If there was Swedish looking Serb posted you wouldn't call him atypical or Germanic bastard. I diagnose you with nordicism

Nobody knows real origin of Sergej Trifunović, he hates the Serbs, he support LGBT community and he is pro-western scum.

www.informer.rs/vesti/politika/140523/KOLIKO-SAMO-OVAJ-COVEK-PROST-Sergej-Trifunovic-brutalno-izvredjao-patrijarha-Irineja

[Dick]

Sergej Trufunović look average Albanian, he is probably Albanian bastard.

He loves Shiptars and hate Serbs, he support LGBT community, he is very hated among Serbs.

He looks like Edi Rama and even impersonates him speaking in perfect albanian :confused: https://youtu.be/prxmJLF1bJs

[Vlatko Vukovic]

If there was Swedish looking Serb posted you wouldn't call him atypical or Germanic bastard. I diagnose you with nordicism

66469

This is how typical Serb looks like.

[Lollipop]

66469

This is how typical Serb looks like.

That guy has distant gypsy in him.His brownish olive skin is a dead giveaway also.

[Сербо Макеридов]

66469

This is how typical Serb looks like.

This is typical Serbian look tracara.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/vuk-kostic.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

This is typical Serbian look tracara.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/vuk-kostic.jpg

They are not very different... Vuk Kostic and previous guy

[Сербо Макеридов]

They are not very different... Vuk Kostic and previous guy

What is typical Bosniak look acording to you?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

That guy has distant gypsy in him.His brownish olive skin is a dead giveaway also.

He dont look me gypsy... Skin is diffrent thing, face is diffrent thing.. His face is not gypsie

[Vlatko Vukovic]

What is typical Bosniak look acording to you?

66472

Maybe he is example

[Сербо Макеридов]

66472

Maybe he is example

He is typical for Bosniaks from eastern Bosnia, but he can pass among Bosniaks from other parts of Bosnia.

He can not pass among Sandžaklije (they look very different than Bosniaks from Bosnia), and probably among Bosniaks from Herzegovina.

[Lollipop]

He dont look me gypsy... Skin is diffrent thing, face is diffrent thing.. His face is not gypsie

he has some gipsy blood 100% ... the skin is just a giveaway .

[Vlatko Vukovic]

he has some gipsy blood 100% ... the skin is just a giveaway .

Maybe you think... but i can bet he dont have :D Serbs from Bosnia have 0 gypsy blood and he is from Banja Luka (Bosnian City)... But this Vuk Kostic looks typical Serbian too

[Vlatko Vukovic]

He is typical for Bosniaks from eastern Bosnia, but he can pass among Bosniaks from other parts of Bosnia.

He can not pass among Sandžaklije (they look very different than Bosniaks from Bosnia), and probably among Bosniaks from Herzegovina.

Sandzaklije have a lot of Albanian influence.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Maybe you think... but i can bet he dont have :D Serbs from Bosnia have 0 gypsy blood and he is from Banja Luka (Bosnian City)... But this Vuk Kostic looks typical Serbian too

Guy does not have Gypsy face, I think that he is just little tan in the sun.

[Lollipop]

Guy does not have Gypsy face, I think that he is just little tan in the sun.

Bullshit.Real white's don't get tanned in the sun.That guy looks more morocan than serbian.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Bullshit.Real white's don't get tanned in the sun.That guy looks more morocan than serbian.

Are you blind bro? He have green eyes with really white looking... Just skin is not 100% white. All get tanned in the sun of Balkan. Specially people who lives near Sea. Nordic people are blond and more white then others becouse climate. They dont have very big sun influence, like Russians too.

[Lollipop]

Are you blind bro? He have green eyes with really white looking... Just skin is not 100% white. All get tanned in the sun of Balkan. Specially people who lives near Sea. Nordic people are blond and more white then others becouse climate. They dont have very big sun influence, like Russians too.

I'm Balkanite and I don't get tanned.
ANyway, it is not jsut about his brownish olive skin, but his distant gypsy heritage is also shown in his facial features...

[Jana]

66472

Maybe he is example

Agreed. He belongs to I2-dinaric south (PH908) by the way.

[Dick]

These guys are average Serbs, you're all wrong.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LedKEFXLzj4/hqdefault.jpg

And average skin tone for South Slavs is this:

http://www.glas-slavonije.hr/Slike/2013/03/45906.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I'm Balkanite and I don't get tanned.
ANyway, it is not jsut about his brownish olive skin, but his distant gypsy heritage is also shown in his facial features...

According to you all Greeks and Italians are Gypsies

[Сербо Макеридов]

Sandzaklije have a lot of Albanian influence.

Most dominant haplogroup among Sandžaklije are E-V13 (35,7%), R1b-Z2103 (17%), very similar as Albanians.

Sandžaklije have only 11,6% I2a, and 2,7% R1a.

Look at here www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=1783.180

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Most dominant haplogroup among Sandžaklije are E-V13 (35,7%), R1b-Z2103 (17%), very similar as Albanians.

Sandžaklije have only 11,6% I2a, and 2,7% R1a.

Look at here www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=1783.180

I know it. They have a lot of Slavic-looking people too.. but mostly are similar to Albanians

[Lollipop]

According to you all Greeks and Italians are Gypsies

That guy has odd face,he looks morocan/refugee even brazilian ,he obviously has some foreign admixture which I guess is gipsy,since most gypsies have such skin, like a cadaver.It's not the first time Feichy tried to pass a mixed gyp as serb/romanian.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

That guy has odd face,he looks morocan/refugee even brazilian ,he obviously has some foreign admixture which I guess is gipsy,since most gypsies have such skin, like a cadaver.It's not the first time Feichy tried to pass a mixed gyp as serb/romanian.

That is your opinion, but a lots of will not agree. You really dont know how gypsy look like... This guy have light green eyes unlike gypsies

[Lollipop]

That is your opinion, but a lots of will not agree. You really dont know how gypsy look like... This guy have light green eyes unlike gypsies

I've seen gypsies with blue eyes and/or blonde hair.

[Rethel]

I have the feeling, that after another 60 pages we will be enlighted, that Yugols are pure Nordix...

[Сербо Макеридов]

http://www.sheclick.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Jelena-Jankovic.jpg

look who is here: Serbian tennis player Jelena Jankovic :wink

Her origin is from Montenegro, Bratonožići tribe from Montenegro belongs to Q haplogroup, but still that look is very rare in the Balkans.

[Сербо Макеридов]

this song should be the most chauvinistic song ever xD

No true, this is textbook example of chauvinistic song.

https://youtu.be/CLP3Icw-nDM

[Porn Master]

No true, this is textbook example of chauvinistic song.


https://youtu.be/gt3kU1FlFlo






one is not better than another :thumb001:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I have the feeling, that after another 60 pages we will be enlighted, that Yugols are pure Nordix...

Yugos are not Nordic. So what is point to be or not to be Nordic?? Nordicism is bullshit. Even many scientists proove that Indo-Europeans were not blond.

[Bosniensis]

Yugos are not Nordic. So what is point to be or not to be Nordic?? Nordicism is bullshit. Even many scientists proove that Indo-Europeans were not blond.

Sir Rethel is a blithering idiot.

Don't even bother reading his posts.

Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats are Thracians and Illyrians ... Dinarid and Med. people.

[Jana]

Sir Rethel is a blithering idiot.

Don't even bother reading his posts.

Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats are Thracians and Illyrians ... Dinarid and Med. people.

Stop spreading lunatic BS here. Thanks :thumb001:

[Bosniensis]

Stop spreading lunatic BS here. Thanks :thumb001:

Mi ne učimo od Njemaca historiju ko' izopačeni Hrvati. Vi ste ih toliko prigrlili da ne znate više ni ko ste.

Molim blokiraj me da ne čitaš "ludačka sranja" a uz to će i meni biti zadovoljstvo da ne čitam tvoje odgovore.

Doviđenja.

[Jana]

Mi ne učimo od Njemaca historiju ko' izopačeni Hrvati. Vi ste ih toliko prigrlili da ne znate više ni ko ste.

Molim blokiraj me da ne čitaš "ludačka sranja" a uz to će i meni biti zadovoljstvo da ne čitam tvoje odgovore.

Doviđenja.

You are brainwashed maniac, and your incoming DNA results will confirm how dumb you are if you are ethnic Bosniak as you claim to be.
You can be ''Illyrio-Thracian'' only if you are Sandzaklija aka Slavicized Albanian :laugh:

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yugos are not Nordic. So what is point to be or not to be Nordic?? Nordicism is bullshit. Even many scientists proove that Indo-Europeans were not blond.

The only one guy here who is Nordist is Stears, he claims that only a few nations are lighter than Hungarians.

Stears is not real Hungarian, he is hungarized German (Swabian), his ancestors camo to western Hungary probably from Bavaria in the 18th century.

Only few nations have more than 50% blonde people: Finns, Norwegians, Danes, Swedes, Dutch and Estonians, even Russians and Germans have less than 50% blonde, they have around 45% blonde people.

Hungarians are far from it to be one of the blondest nations, they are even the darkest nation in central Europe; Ukrainians, Slovaks, Czechs, Austrians and Slovenians are lighter on average then Hungarians.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The only one guy here who is Nordist is Stears, he claims that only a few nations are lighter than Hungarians.

Stears is not real Hungarian, he is hungarized German (Swabian), his ancestors camo to western Hungary probably from Bavaria in the 18th century.

Only few nations have more than 50% blonde people: Finns, Norwegians, Danes, Swedes, Dutch and Estonians, even Russians and Germans have less than 50% blonde, they have around 45% blonde people.

Hungarians are far from it to be one of the blondest nations, they are even the darkest nation in central Europe; Ukrainians, Slovaks, Czechs, Austrians and Slovenians are lighter on average then Hungarians.

I think stersolina is Nordicist too, becouse she gave me thumb down for my comment :D

[Vlatko Vukovic]

P.S. : Become Nordic is not something special. Finnish people in their original phenotype was mongoloid, now they blond, Nordic. So they are pure Europeans? LOL

[Jana]

The only one guy here who is Nordist is Stears, he claims that only a few nations are lighter than Hungarians.

Stears is not real Hungarian, he is hungarized German (Swabian), his ancestors camo to western Hungary probably from Bavaria in the 18th century.

Only few nations have more than 50% blonde people: Finns, Norwegians, Danes, Swedes, Dutch and Estonians, even Russians and Germans have less than 50% blonde, they have around 45% blonde people.

Hungarians are far from it to be one of the blondest nations, they are even the darkest nation in central Europe; Ukrainians, Slovaks, Czechs, Austrians and Slovenians are lighter on average then Hungarians.

Please leave my boyfriend alone, he has nothing to do with Swabians.
Only foreign ancestry he has is 1/8 CROATIAN :D

[Сербо Макеридов]

I think stersolina is Nordicist too, becouse she gave me thumb down for my comment :D

Her nickname says it all. :coffee:

[Bosniensis]

You are braainwashed maniac, and your incoming DNA results will confirm how dumb you are if you are ethnic Bosniak as you claim to be.
You can be ''Illyrio-Thracian only if you are Sandzaklija aka Slavicized Albanian :laugh:

Pa ti ako vjeruješ da je Car Konstantin bio Albanac ja onda mogu samo da pretpostavim koliko ti ne znaš kako Albanci izgledaju.
Dinardska rasa ljudi koju čini bar kod nas u Bosni apsolutna većina stanovništva sigurno nema nikakve veze sa Baltičkom rasom tj Slavenima.

Ti tzv. Slaveni, govore NAŠ jezik a ne mi njihov.

Kultura je potekla iz Podunavlja a ne iz Ruskih stepa.


Svi Ilirski Rimski Carevi su bili Iliri (Bos, Srb, Hrv) koji su morali proći Romanizaciju tj edukaciju kroz vojnu službu, isto kao što je Bajo Nenadić postao Mehmed Paša Sokolović.

[Lollipop]

Sir Rethel is a blithering idiot.

Don't even bother reading his posts.

Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats are Thracians and Illyrians ... Dinarid and Med. people.

Dinarid and Med's are invaders in Balkans proper,excluding the coast for Meds.
Thracians and Illyrians belonged to a CM, Nordid race mainly.


You are brainwashed maniac, and your incoming DNA results will confirm how dumb you are if you are ethnic Bosniak as you claim to be.
You can be ''Illyrio-Thracian'' only if you are Sandzaklija aka Slavicized Albanian :laugh:

Albanians are not related with either illyrians or thracians.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Please leave my boyfirend alone, he has nothing to do with Swabians.
Only foreign ancestry he has is 1/8 CROATIAN :D

Serbo Makeridov wants to say that your boyfirend is European looking, not mongol (Hungarian), why u get insult?

[Bosniensis]

Dinarid and Med's are invaders in Balkans proper,excluding the coast for Meds.
Thracians and Illyrians belonged to a CM, Nordid race mainly.



Albanians are not related with either illyrians or thracians.

ROFL

:picard2:

[Lavrentis]

Dinarid and Med's are invaders in Balkans proper,excluding the coast for Meds.
Thracians and Illyrians belonged to a CM, Nordid race mainly.

Which people are the ancestors of those Nordid and CM Thracians and Illyrians? :D

[Jana]

Her nickname says it all. :coffee:

Nordicist think Northern Europeans are Superior to other groups, and that is certanly not the case with me.

[Lollipop]

Which people are the ancestors of those Nordid and CM Thracians and Illyrians? :D

Mostly yugoslavs retained those features but even in their case, only a select few.
Most of Balkans was browned.2000 years ago it was as light as lets say Russia.

[Lavrentis]

Mostly yugoslavs retained those features but even in their case, only a select few.
Most of Balkans was browned.2000 years ago it was as light as lets say Russia.

Where are your sources about the Balkans being as light as Russia 2000 years ago?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Which people are the ancestors of those Nordid and CM Thracians and Illyrians? :D

Of Illyrians?? Who knows?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Nordicist think Northern Europeans are Superior to other groups, and that is certanly not the case with me.

Stears also thought.

[Bosniensis]

Mostly yugoslavs retained those features but even in their case, only a select few.
Most of Balkans was browned.2000 years ago it was as light as lets say Russia.

This is Illyrian Pope from the period of Emperor Diocletian his name was Gaius and he doesn't look Russian White as you say:

He looks Dinarid like a Typical Bosniak or Serb.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/PCaius.jpg

[Lollipop]

Where are your sources about the Balkans being as light as Russia 2000 years ago?

All of ancient writtings about the populations from Balkans, call them unanimously of nordic/cro-magnon stock, in contrast to ancient greeks, who were swarty.
We don't have many thracian skulls, but the illyrian skulls found were of Corded Nordid stock.

[Lollipop]

This is Illyrian Pope from the period of Emperor Diocletian his name was Gaius and he doesn't look Russian White as you say:

He looks Dinarid like a Typical Bosniak or Serb.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/PCaius.jpg

After ancient period ended, the dinarid race slowly started to spread in Balkans and replace the native element.

[Bosniensis]

After ancient period ended, the dinarid race slowly started to spread in Balkans and replace the native element.

That picture was an Icon used in 283 A.D .. Ancient Period ended 476 A.D.

[Lavrentis]

All of ancient writtings about the populations from Balkans, call them unanimously of nordic/cro-magnon stock, in contrast to ancient greeks, who were swarty.
We don't have many thracian skulls, but the illyrian skulls found were of Corded Nordid stock.

Thracians were described as having red and blonde hair but that was probably an exaggeration. Even if we believe that Bulgarians are 1/3 Thracian, the numbers of red hair among them is very small and their blondes look like Slavs most of the time.

What made Balkan people darker according to you?

[Lollipop]

That picture was an Icon used in 283 A.D .. Ancient Period ended 476 A.D.

There were dinarids in Illyria, even skulls found, but they were minimal.After ancient period ended, Balkans started getting browned.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Thracians were described as having red and blonde hair but that was probably an exaggeration. Even if we believe that Bulgarians are 1/3 Thracian, the numbers of red hair among them is very small and their blondes look like Slavs most of the time.

What made Balkan people darker according to you?

Climate. :coffee:

[Dick]

All of ancient writtings about the populations from Balkans, call them unanimously of nordic/cro-magnon stock, in contrast to ancient greeks, who were swarty.
We don't have many thracian skulls, but the illyrian skulls found were of Corded Nordid stock.

Skulls found from the Middle Ages in the Balkans were dolicocephalic.

[Jana]

Pa ti ako vjeruješ da je Car Konstantin bio Albanac ja onda mogu samo da pretpostavim koliko ti ne znaš kako Albanci izgledaju.
Dinardska rasa ljudi koju čini bar kod nas u Bosni apsolutna većina stanovništva sigurno nema nikakve veze sa Baltičkom rasom tj Slavenima.

Ti tzv. Slaveni, govore NAŠ jezik a ne mi njihov.

Kultura je potekla iz Podunavlja a ne iz Ruskih stepa.


Svi Ilirski Rimski Carevi su bili Iliri (Bos, Srb, Hrv) koji su morali proći Romanizaciju tj edukaciju kroz vojnu službu, isto kao što je Bajo Nenadić postao Mehmed Paša Sokolović.

Više je dinaraca među Albancima nego među Hrvatima, Bošnjacima i Srbima.
Mi imamo ilirske krvi ali to nije baza naših gena. Uostalom uskoro ćeš to vidjeti i sam na vlastitim rezultatima.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

This is Illyrian Pope from the period of Emperor Diocletian his name was Gaius and he doesn't look Russian White as you say:

He looks Dinarid like a Typical Bosniak or Serb.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/PCaius.jpg

what?? Illyrians didn't wear crosses on them?? They were not Christians. They were pagans. What Pope?

[Lollipop]

Thracians were described as having red and blonde hair but that was probably an exaggeration. Even if we believe that Bulgarians are 1/3 Thracian, the numbers of red hair among them is very small and their blondes look like Slavs most of the time.

What made Balkan people darker according to you?

Balkans was swarmed by countless non-white tribes, because Balkans are at entry point of Europe.The ethnic groups of balkans change very frequently.
This process of whites being replaced by non-whites even today can be seen.

[Lollipop]

Skulls found from the Middle Ages in the Balkans were dolicocephalic.

Yes, this is also very interesting, looking that today most are brachy.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Više je dinaraca među Albancima nego među Hrvatima, Bošnjacima i Srbima.
Mi imamo ilirske krvi ali to nije baza naših gena. Uostalom uskoro ćeš to vidjeti i sam na vlastitim rezultatima.

To nije tačno, Šiptari imaju više Mediteranaca, Armenoida i Dinaro-Mediteranaca, a čistih Dinaraca nemaju.
Čistih Dinaraca ima najviše u Hercegovini, oni su visoki po 2 metra a Šiptari sui izrazito niski ljudi.

U Karpatskom delu Ukrajine među Lemkama, Bojkama i Huculima ima dosta Dinaraca, a ima i u Slovačkoj i južnoj Poljskoj, a oni sa Šiptarima i sa Balkanom nemaju nikakve veze.

[Lavrentis]

Balkans was swarmed by countless non-white tribes, because Balkans are at entry point of Europe.The ethnic groups of balkans change very frequently.
This process of whites being replaced by non-whites even today can be seen.

There are no sources of mass migration of non-European people in the Balkans and such a replacement.

[Lollipop]

There are no sources of mass migration of non-European people in the Balkans and such a replacement.

What do you mean with there are no sources?Countless of populations migrated here.Why does this matter anyway, since this process did not took 1-10 years like in Germany, but hundreds of years.

[Jana]

In documentary about Croatian anthropology and genetics scientists showed how pred. gracile (I guess med) population of Dalmatia was replaced/subjugated by robust, big-headed folk (Slavs), and how local Illyrian skeletons had bad nutrition/wounds on bones because they had became slaves of newly arrived Slavs.

Later mixing occured, about numbers of each group I wouldn't speculate. TV doc. gave impression locals were mainly gracile med and incomers borreby/east baltic.
Don't know where to put dinaric in the equation when speaking about this.

[Bosniensis]

what?? Illyrians didn't wear crosses on them?? They were not Christians. They were pagans. What Pope?

Illyrians were early Christians in the time of Caesar Diocletian, then later Diocletian decreed that Roman God's were above Christians and decided to kill them all.

Caius represented Apostolic Church which was active before Rome accepted Christianity.

Caius/Gaius was a cousin of Diocletian from modern day Solin and was Illyrian.

Later after Constantine the Great all Christians who did not follow the Creed from Constantinople were prosecuted, which is why Bosnian Church (IMHO) declared independence from Rome,
it was True Illyrian Church with faith that followed the same Christian Creed Pope Caius followed.

[Bosniensis]

In documentary about Croatian anthropology and genetics scientists showed how pred. gracile (I guess med) population of Dalmatia was replaced/subjugated by robust, big-headed folk (Slavs), and how local Illyrian skeletons had bad nutrition/wounds on bones because they had became slaves of newly arrived Slavs.

Later mixing occured, about numbers of each group Iwouldn't speculate. TV doc. gave impression locals were mainly gracile med and incomers borreby/east baltic.
Don't Know where to put dinaric in tthe equation when speaking about this.

Herodianus writes that "Pannonian Illyrian tribes are tall and strong always ready for a fight and to face danger but slow witted".[29] Livy wrote "...the coasts of Italy destitute of harbours, and, on the right, the Illyrians, Liburnians, and Istrians, nations of savages, and noted in general for piracy, he passed on to the coasts of the Venetians". Illyrian rulers wore bronze torques around their necks.

[Lavrentis]

What do you mean with there are no sources?Countless of populations migrated here.Why does this matter anyway, since this process did not took 1-10 years like in Germany, but hundreds of years.

The biggest migrations to the Balkans happened by Slavs and Central Asian tribes (Cumans, Pechenegs etc).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Thracians were described as having red and blonde hair but that was probably an exaggeration. Even if we believe that Bulgarians are 1/3 Thracian, the numbers of red hair among them is very small and their blondes look like Slavs most of the time.

What made Balkan people darker according to you?

Maybe climate.

[Rethel]

he has nothing to do with Swabians.

I just started to see in him something curious... you ruined it :pout:

[Lavrentis]

In documentary about Croatian anthropology and genetics scientists showed how pred. gracile (I guess med) population of Dalmatia was replaced/subjugated by robust, big-headed folk (Slavs), and how local Illyrian skeletons had bad nutrition/wounds on bones because they had became slaves of newly arrived Slavs.

Later mixing occured, about numbers of each group I wouldn't speculate. TV doc. gave impression locals were mainly gracile med and incomers borreby/east baltic.
Don't know where to put dinaric in the equation when speaking about this.

Seems interesting. Is this theory accepted?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Balkans was swarmed by countless non-white tribes, because Balkans are at entry point of Europe.The ethnic groups of balkans change very frequently.
This process of whites being replaced by non-whites even today can be seen.

Balkans is still the ligtest part of southern Europe on average.

Balkans is lighter on average than Iberian and Italian Peninsula.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Herodianus writes that "Pannonian Illyrian tribes are tall and strong always ready for a fight and to face danger but slow witted".[29] Livy wrote "...the coasts of Italy destitute of harbours, and, on the right, the Illyrians, Liburnians, and Istrians, nations of savages, and noted in general for piracy, he passed on to the coasts of the Venetians". Illyrian rulers wore bronze torques around their necks.

Ko god malo bolje poznaje Šiptare zna da oni nemaju baš puno veze sa Dinarcima, to je onaj pseudo-antropolog Kun prolupao (da bi predstavio Šiptare kao autohtone) i posle 100 godina neke budale se još lože na njegove bljuvotine, ja sigurno bolje znam kako Šiptari izgledaju nego stersolina koja živi u Mađarskoj.
Naši dvometraši Hercegovi su najčistiji Dinarci, a Šiptari su visoki metar i zgaženo govno.

[Dick]

Ko god malo bolje poznaje Šiptare zna da oni nemaju baš puno veze sa Dinarcima, to je onaj pseudo-antropolog Kun prolupao (da bi predstavio Šiptare kao autohtone) i posle 100 godina neke budale se još lože na njegove bljuvotine, ja sigurno bolje znam kako Šiptari izgledaju nego stersolina koja živi u Mađarskoj.
Naši dvometraši Hercegovi su najčistiji Dinarci, a Šiptari su visoki metar i zgaženo govno.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414258/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414258/bin/rsos161054-g5.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Ko god malo bolje poznaje Šiptare zna da oni nemaju baš puno veze sa Dinarcima, to je onaj pseudo-antropolog Kun prolupao (da bi predstavio Šiptare kao autohtone) i posle 100 godina neke budale se još lože na njegove bljuvotine, ja sigurno bolje znam kako Šiptari izgledaju nego stersolina koja živi u Mađarskoj.
Naši dvometraši Hercegovi su najčistiji Dinarci, a Šiptari su visoki metar i zgaženo govno.

Sve zavisi odakle su koji Albanci. Na Sjeveru Albanije se mogu naci vrlo svijetli Albanci, sto je atipično za njih, generalno.

[Rethel]

Dick,

it was allready explain to you, that it is coincidence.
If it would be true, then in the times, when I-men lived
untouched by R1folk they would be the tallest. They werent.
East Europeans were 7-15 centimeter tallest - even after
farmers with better nutrition arrived.

[Bosniensis]

Ko god malo bolje poznaje Šiptare zna da oni nemaju baš puno veze sa Dinarcima, to je onaj pseudo-antropolog Kun prolupao (da bi predstavio Šiptare kao autohtone) i posle 100 godina neke budale se još lože na njegove bljuvotine, ja sigurno bolje znam kako Šiptari izgledaju nego stersolina koja živi u Mađarskoj.
Naši dvometraši Hercegovi su najčistiji Dinarci, a Šiptari su visoki metar i zgaženo govno.

Tako je.

Samo naši političari očito stavljaju prst u uši i sve prihvataju kako im serviraju Albanci.

Kako je krenulo još ćemo se mi iz Bosne i Srbije morati svi seliti u Rusiju da se njima vrati Albanska zemlja, pa eno

neki dan Šiptar jedan spomenu Niš kao Ilriski (Albanski) grad.. kao Car Konstantin je bio Ilir tj. Albanac po njihov.

Ništa oni ne znaju, Iliri su bili isključivo današnji tzv. Južni Slaveni.... a Šiptare je neko doveo odnekud... ne liče ni na Grke ni na nas.

[Lollipop]

Dick,

it was allready explain to you, that it is coincidence.
If it would be true, then in the times, when I-men lived
untouched by R1folk they would be the tallest. They werent.
East Europeans were 7-15 centimeter tallest - even after
farmers with better nutrition arrived.

I men , even 10000 years ago ,were taller than the average pollack.

[Сербо Макеридов]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414258/


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414258/bin/rsos161054-g5.jpg

Albania is tall 174cm on average, Serbia 182cm, BiH 184cm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide

Albanians are too short to be Dinarics.

[Dick]

I'm jealous :blah:


This is backed up by published scientific research, not theories.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Sve zavisi odakle su koji Albanci. Na Sjeveru Albanije se mogu naci vrlo svijetli Albanci, sto je atipično za njih, generalno.

Depigmentizirani Šiptari imaju čudne crte lica, otprilike izgledaju kao Ramzan Kadirov.

[Dick]

Albania is tall 174cm on average, Serbia 182cm, BiH 184cm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide

Albanians are too short to be Dinarics.

Not all Albanians are from Highlander clans though.

[Albobalboa]

Shouldn't all this native DNA of the south slavs convince them to abandon the ethnogenesis of their conquerers? It's time to adopt the glorious Albanian language, which is the only language that can actually be linked to your we wuz Illyrienz theories.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif

Serboi and Romani, REPENT! Full slavization/romanization is 100% cuck behaviour

[Bosniensis]

This is backed up by published scientific research, not theories.

Turko-Germanic people like Poles have common habit to re-invent history and facts to suit their needs.

They have already managed to sneak themselves into European history somehow, even if their only history is related to Russian/Ukrainian steppes.

They are superior in spreading lies and deceit.

[Jana]

Seems interesting. Is this theory accepted?

Yes, archelogy supports it since there is a break in the continuum around 5 century AD (when Huns pushed early Slavic tribes to south).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Turko-Germanic people like Poles have common habit to re-invent history and facts to suit their needs.

They have already managed to sneak themselves into European history somehow, even if their only history is related to Russian/Ukrainian steppes.

They are superior in spreading lies and deceit.

Poles are Slavic-Germanic people. They dont have nothing common with Turks.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Tako je.

Samo naši političari očito stavljaju prst u uši i sve prihvataju kako im serviraju Albanci.

Kako je krenulo još ćemo se mi iz Bosne i Srbije morati svi seliti u Rusiju da se njima vrati Albanska zemlja, pa eno

neki dan Šiptar jedan spomenu Niš kao Ilriski (Albanski) grad.. kao Car Konstantin je bio Ilir tj. Albanac po njihov.

Ništa oni ne znaju, Iliri su bili isključivo današnji tzv. Južni Slaveni.... a Šiptare je neko doveo odnekud... ne liče ni na Grke ni na nas.

Oni nemaju nikakve veze sa Ilirima, oni su došli sa Kavkaza.

Zanimljivo je da od svih južnih Slovena najviše stranu Šiptarima drže Hrvati, preko 90% Hrvata i dalje misli da su Šiptari potomci Ilira.

Kad sam pričao sa jedim Hrvatom on je tvrdio da su Šiptari potomci Ilira (inače je Dalmatinac), a kad sam mu ja rekao da u tom slučaju živi na okupiranoj šiptarskoj zemlji, on je onda skočio kao oparen jarac i počeo da govori kako i Hrvati imaju ilirskih gena i da šiptari memaju pravo na Dalmaciju, čak je rekao da su Hrvati iz Dalmacije pokupili više ilirskih gena od samih Šiptara koji direktni potomci Ilira.

Bem ti sunce šta nam napravi prokleti zapad, na čelu sa jebenim satanističkim Vatikanom, napravili su od nas (južnih Slovena) tuce nacije koje se mrze i vade jedni drugima oči i pritom su nas nabedili da smo neki uljezi na Balkanu, a divljake sa Kavkaza kod kojih još postoje ugovoreni brakovi, krvna osveta i koji truju celu Evropu drogom promovišu za starosedeoce i potomke slavnih Ilira. :picard1:

[Rethel]

This is backed up by published scientific research, not theories.

You can look even at leftpedia, if you do not belive, or to any
paleo anthropological research about these people and cultures..

Btw, belive me, other people are not like you. They are not jealous
and do not live by such petty things like average hight, like you do,
being constantly upset when results do not go the way for you you
want them to be. So, stop making from me you, becasue I am not.

[Dick]

Yes, archelogy supports it since there is a break in the continuum around 5 century AD (when Huns pushed early Slavic tribes to south).

Any chance the doc is on youtube?

[Dick]

Look at leftpedia.

Btw, belive me, other people are not like you. They are not jealous
and do not live by such petty things like average hight, like you do,
being constantly upset when resultd do not go the way for you you
want them to be. So, stop making from me you, becasue I am not.

You're the one that needs to always comment about I-men. I could care less about you or what you even are, jealous man.

[Jana]

Tako je.

Samo naši političari očito stavljaju prst u uši i sve prihvataju kako im serviraju Albanci.

Kako je krenulo još ćemo se mi iz Bosne i Srbije morati svi seliti u Rusiju da se njima vrati Albanska zemlja, pa eno

neki dan Šiptar jedan spomenu Niš kao Ilriski (Albanski) grad.. kao Car Konstantin je bio Ilir tj. Albanac po njihov.

Ništa oni ne znaju, Iliri su bili isključivo današnji tzv. Južni Slaveni.... a Šiptare je neko doveo odnekud... ne liče ni na Grke ni na nas.

Južni Slaveni ne potječu iz Rusije. Rusija nije originalna slavenska postojbina nego naknadno kolonizirana baš kao i Balkan.
Albanci su genetska braća Grka i jedino četnici lažu da su došli iz Azije (a genetika im je 100% južnoeuropska)

Ti si četnik ?

[Rethel]

You're the one that needs to always comment about I-men. I could care less about you or what you even are, jealous man.

:picard2:

[Albobalboa]

Oni nemaju nikakve veze sa Ilirima, oni su došli sa Kavkaza.

Zanimljivo je da od svih južnih Slovena najviše stranu Šiptarima drže Hrvati, preko 90% Hrvata i dalje misli da su Šiptari potomci Ilira.

Kad sam pričao sa jedim Hrvatom on je tvrdio da su Šiptari potomci Ilira (inače je Dalmatinac), a kad sam mu ja rekao da u tom slučaju živi na okupiranoj šiptarskoj zemlji, on je onda skočio kao oparen jarac i počeo da govori kako i Hrvati imaju ilirskih gena i da šiptari memaju pravo na Dalmaciju, čak je rekao da su Hrvati iz Dalmacije pokupili više ilirskih gena od samih Šiptara koji direktni potomci Ilira.

Bem ti sunce šta nam napravi prokleti zapad, na čeli sa jebenim Vatikanom, napravili su od nas (južnih Slovena) tuce nacije koje se mrze i vade jedni drugima oći i pritom su nas nabedili da smo neki uljezi na Balkanu, a divljake sa Kavkaza kod kojih još podtoje ugovoreni brakovi, krvna osveta i koji truju celu Evropu drogom promovišu zastarosedeoce i potomke slavnih Ilira. :picard1:

Google translate tells me there is a good amount of butthurt here. Are you afraid to post it in english or something? This isn't a Serboi thread.

Again, you need to adopt the Albanian language if you feel so strongly about it. It's the only language that can be traced to the Illyrians in any way. Since you're speaking a slavic language you're a cuck that got fully slavized, that's a disgrace to the ancestors.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Oni nemaju nikakve veze sa Ilirima, oni su došli sa Kavkaza.

Zanimljivo je da od svih južnih Slovena najviše stranu Šiptarima drže Hrvati, preko 90% Hrvata i dalje misli da su Šiptari potomci Ilira.

Kad sam pričao sa jedim Hrvatom on je tvrdio da su Šiptari potomci Ilira (inače je Dalmatinac), a kad sam mu ja rekao da u tom slučaju živi na okupiranoj šiptarskoj zemlji, on je onda skočio kao oparen jarac i počeo da govori kako i Hrvati imaju ilirskih gena i da šiptari memaju pravo na Dalmaciju, čak je rekao da su Hrvati iz Dalmacije pokupili više ilirskih gena od samih Šiptara koji direktni potomci Ilira.

Bem ti sunce šta nam napravi prokleti zapad, na čelu sa jebenim satanističkim Vatikanom, napravili su od nas (južnih Slovena) tuce nacije koje se mrze i vade jedni drugima oči i pritom su nas nabedili da smo neki uljezi na Balkanu, a divljake sa Kavkaza kod kojih još postoje ugovoreni brakovi, krvna osveta i koji truju celu Evropu drogom promovišu za starosedeoce i potomke slavnih Ilira. :picard1:

O Albanskoj naciji se ne može sve reći u dvije-tri rečenice. Svega tu ima. No ono što je sigurno je da nemaju pravo na zemlje južnih Slavena. Ali su ipak Indo-Evropski narod tako da imaju pravo na tu svoju zemlju, ali nemaju pravo da okupiraju druge.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Južni Slaveni ne potječu iz Rusije. Rusija nije originalna slavenska postojbina nego naknadno kolonizirana baš kao i Balkan.
Albanci su genetska braća Grka i jedino četnici lažu da su došli iz Azije (a genetika im je 100% južnoeuropska)

Ti si četnik ?

Kakva crna Evropa pogled kako izgledaju Udini sa Kavkaza, pljunuti Šiptari.

Ne postoje nikakvi dokazi, ni genetički, ni lingvistički, ni antropološki, ni bilo koji drugi da su Šiptari potomci Ilira.

[Jana]

Oni nemaju nikakve veze sa Ilirima, oni su došli sa Kavkaza.

Zanimljivo je da od svih južnih Slovena najviše stranu Šiptarima drže Hrvati, preko 90% Hrvata i dalje misli da su Šiptari potomci Ilira.

Kad sam pričao sa jedim Hrvatom on je tvrdio da su Šiptari potomci Ilira (inače je Dalmatinac), a kad sam mu ja rekao da u tom slučaju živi na okupiranoj šiptarskoj zemlji, on je onda skočio kao oparen jarac i počeo da govori kako i Hrvati imaju ilirskih gena i da šiptari memaju pravo na Dalmaciju, čak je rekao da su Hrvati iz Dalmacije pokupili više ilirskih gena od samih Šiptara koji direktni potomci Ilira.

Bem ti sunce šta nam napravi prokleti zapad, na čelu sa jebenim satanističkim Vatikanom, napravili su od nas (južnih Slovena) tuce nacije koje se mrze i vade jedni drugima oči i pritom su nas nabedili da smo neki uljezi na Balkanu, a divljake sa Kavkaza kod kojih još postoje ugovoreni brakovi, krvna osveta i koji truju celu Evropu drogom promovišu za starosedeoce i potomke slavnih Ilira. :picard1:

Iliri su bili barbari i divljaci (kao i Slaveni), I taj dalmatinac je glup kao magarac, Iliri su preci Albanaca i nas, a ne Albanci.
Nije Dalmacija nikakva drevna albanska zemlja nego su njihovi preci jednom davno živjeli u njoj, kao i hrvatski u Poljskoj.

Okani se vatikanskih belosvetskih zavara dečko i pročitaj pokoju knjigu a da nije Jovan Deretić...:picard1:

[Laberia]

Shouldn't all this native DNA of the south slavs convince them to abandon the ethnogenesis of their conquerers? It's time to adopt the glorious Albanian language, which is the only language that can actually be linked to your we wuz Illyrienz theories.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Vg0JstydL8HCg/giphy.gif

Serboi and Romani, REPENT! Full slavization/romanization is 100% cuck behaviour

It`s called crisis of identity. I know how will end this story. Constantine the Great was the first servian(Roman) Emperor to claim conversion to.....Islam. In that moment will start a new Yugoslav War between the swarthy asiatic retard and the bunch of servs. Unbelievable.

[Jana]

Kakva crna Evropa pogled kako izgledaju Udini sa Kavkaza, pljunuti Šiptari.

Ne postoje nikakvi dokazi, ni genetički, ni lingvistički, ni antropološki, ni bilo koji drugi da su Šiptari potomci Ilira.

THERE IS GENETIC PROOF YOU SERBIAN SCUM.

J2B2 WHICH PEAKS IN ALBANIANS WAS FOUND IN ANCIENT DALMATIA (DINARIC ALPS) INHABITED WITH ILLYIAN TRIBES. NOW STFU.

[Bosniensis]

Južni Slaveni ne potječu iz Rusije. Rusija nije originalna slavenska postojbina nego naknadno kolonizirana baš kao i Balkan.
Albanci su genetska braća Grka i jedino četnici lažu da su došli iz Azije (a genetika im je 100% južnoeuropska)

Ti si četnik ?

Nisam četnik, nisam ni pravoslavac ali istina je da ne liče na nas.

Pouzdano se ne zna naše porjeklo obzirom da nismo R1 skupina naroda kao Germani i Slaveni.

Razlika između I2 i R1 je ogromna tako da jedni i drugi zajedno ne mogu biti slaveni. Mogu biti ili jedni ili drugi.

Vjerujem da Slaveni govore našim Ilirskim jezikom kao što Germanski narodi govore jezikom koji su preuzeli od Rimljana koje su pobili.

Iskreno Albanci mi više liče na Berbere, mislim čak da su oni Berberi iz Kartage koji su se povukli zajedno sa Rimljanima kad su bježali pred Arapima, ako
uzmemo da su Rimljani bježali iz Afrike u 7 stoljeću onda je logično da su bježali u Grčku, obzirom da je Italija već bila izgubljena. Berberi imaju također E1b y-dna

[Vlatko Vukovic]

THERE IS GENETIC PROOF YOU SERBIAN SCUM.

J2B2 WHICH PEAKS IN ALBANIANS WAS FOUND IN ANCIENT DALMATIA (DINARIC ALPS) INHABITED WITH ILLYIAN TRIBES. NOW STFU.

Albanci su potomci Ilira vecinom, ali njihova zemlja je Albanija, ne Kosovo. Sa Kosova je otjerano Slavensko (vecinom Srpsko) stanovnistvo pod Turskom okupacijom i naseljeno Albansko. Tako da Kosovo nije Albanska zemlja, a Albaniju im niko ne dira. To su neke činjenice.

[Lollipop]

@Vlatko Vukovic @Serbo Makeridov
Ignore Feichy, she's uber emotional because she's of bosniak(albanian) origin.


THERE IS GENETIC PROOF YOU SERBIAN SCUM.

J2B2 WHICH PEAKS IN ALBANIANS WAS FOUND IN ANCIENT DALMATIA (DINARIC ALPS) INHABITED WITH ILLYIAN TRIBES. NOW STFU.

Until we get an illyrian burial ground or something that certifies its illyrian that j2b2 found is as legit as the gipsy one found in Romania which was if i remember well from paleothic.
You forgot to mention 2 things:
-only one J2b2 was found in ancient balkans, yet the rest was I2 and G, followed by R.
-the j2b2 had highly farmer admixture, and very low in whg and indo-european, it couldnt possibly have brought a indo-european language!
So why was the illyrian J2b2 and not I2, G or a indo-european R?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Iliri su bili barbari i divljaci (kao i Slaveni), I taj dalmatinac je glup kao magarac, Iliri su preci Albanaca i nas, a ne Albanci.
Nije Dalmacija nikakva drevna albanska zemlja nego su njihovi preci jednom davno živjeli u njoj, kao i hrvatski u Poljskoj.

Okani se vatikanskih belosvetskih zavara dečko i pročitaj pokoju knjigu a da nije Jovan Deretić...:picard1:

O genetici Šiptara pogotovo o njihovoj azijatskoj haplogrupi R1b-BY611 znam dosta, znam da imaju najbliža polapanja sa Osetinima i Baškirima.

Isto tako znam za lingvističku povezanost šiptarskog jezika sa čečenskim i još nekim kavkaskim jezicima.

Nisam ćorav da ne vidim da svaki drugi ili teći Šiptar ima armenoidnog upliva, a i sama valjda znaš da je izvorište armenoidne rase Kavkaz i istočna Anadolija.

Takođe znam da šiptarski jezik nemaju domaćih reči u vezi mora, ribarstva i moreplovstva a opšte je poznato da je Ilirija bila sva na moru, tako da bi Šiptari ako su stvarno potomci Ilira trebali imati bogatu terminologiju vezanu za more i moreplovstvo, a oni je nemaju, sve reči u vezi toga su pozajmili iz drugih jezika.

Ima toga još koliko hoćeš, mogu da pravim disertacije 3 dana.

[Albobalboa]

I feel like some people are afraid to post in english here because their theories are fucking hilarious on google translate. Albanians are berbers from caucasus :cool:

[Laberia]

Kakva crna Evropa pogled kako izgledaju Udini sa Kavkaza, pljunuti Šiptari.

Ne postoje nikakvi dokazi, ni genetički, ni lingvistički, ni antropološki, ni bilo koji drugi da su Šiptari potomci Ilira.
Gud riding tserbulano:

Albanians during middle age called their country Arbëri(Tosk) or Arbëni(Geg). And they called themselvs Arbër(Tosk) or Arbën(Geg). The root is Arb. From this we have Albania and Albanian for the latins and Arbonites Arbanites, etc for the greeks.

Let`s make an short timeline:
The first time that Arber is mentioned, is in an inscription, III century BC, in Finiq (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finiq) in South Albania:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=62343&d=1475747965
It is writen arbaios for arber.

In the second century AD, Ptolemy the ancient geographer and astronomer from Alexandria shows the city of Albanopolis in the northeast of Durrës.
https://ia801406.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/4/items/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ_jp2.zip&file=bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ_jp2/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ_0229.jp2&scale=6.386086956521739&rotate=0
Source: https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_4ksBAAAAMAAJ

At the same period it is a grave found in Gorno Sonje near Shkup, today capital of FYROM, where someone named Mikat from Albanopolis is mentioned:

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTaJa3T0QbFt9Sxosj5UuEEjYdWsj2c0 8GcNyZ0-3LqlHeTydj7

Original text of the inscription:
POSIS MESTYLV F FL DELVS MVCATI F DOM
ALBANOP IPSA DELVS
/...../

The inscription transcribed: POSIS MESTYLU F(ILIUS) FL(AVIA) DELUS MUCATI
F(ILIA) DOM(O)
ALBANOP(OLI) IPSA DELUS
/...../
The inscription translated version in English:
Posis Mestylu, son of Flavia Deluse his daughter Mucatus residing in Albanopolis/...../
The name Mikatus is conisdered an Illyrian name. It appears in the inscription of the village Middle Konjare
SHkup (Dragojevic-Josifovska 1982: 133).
For further information about this inscription see: (Dragojevic- Josifovska, 1971: 513-522)
In another grave of IV century AD found in Stobi Southeast Shkup today capital of FYROM, is found the name Albanos.
see: (Spasovska-Dimitriovska 1993-1995:123-135)

In the 6th century AD, Stephanus of Byzantium, in his important geographical dictionary entitled Ethnica (Ἐθνικά),[30] mentions a city in Illyria called Arbon (Greek: Ἀρβών), and gives an ethnic name for its inhabitants, in two singular number forms, i.e. Arbonios (Greek: Ἀρβώνιος; pl. Ἀρβώνιοι Arbonioi) and Arbonites (Greek: Ἀρβωνίτης; pl. Ἀρβωνῖται Arbonitai).

https://ia800206.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/13/items/stephanibyzanti00meingoog/stephanibyzanti00meingoog_tif.zip&file=stephanibyzanti00meingoog_tif/stephanibyzanti00meingoog_0124.tif&scale=8.817391304347826&rotate=0

Source: https://archive.org/details/stephanibyzanti00meingoog

Now i want ot repeat one of my previous posts because a couple of members have expressed difficulty to understand this post.
Nicholas Hammond in his book:
Migrations and Invasions in Greece and Adjacent Areas
Chapter:
Albanian Ethnogenesis says:

The gap between Ptolemy and Acropolites is bridged by the mention of "Ducagini d'Arbania" in a seventh-century document at Ragusa (Dubrovnik). These Ducagini instigated a revolt against Byzantine rule in Bosnia and in particular at Ragusa, but they had to submit after the second unsuccessful intervention at Ragusa, to which they were said to have come "de terra ferma," i.e overland (15). The name 'Ducagini' is evidently derived from the Latin 'dux' and the common Albanian name 'Ghin'; indeed an Albanian chieftain in 1281 was referred to as "dux Ginius Tanuschus"(16). Moreover, the leading family of northern Albania from the thirteenth century to the Turkish invasion in the fifteenth century was called 'Dukagjin' (Lek Dukagjini the codifier was one of them), and their properties lay between Lesh (Lissus) and the bend of the Drin. It is here then that we should put the ‘Arbania' of the seventh century. The conclusion that 'Albanians' lived there continuously from the second century to the thirteenth century becomes, I think, unavoidable (17).

Hammond refers to an old document of the seventh century AD from the archives of Ragusa(Dubrovnik). The document is published by V. Makusev, Pamiatniki Dubrovnika (Petrograd, 1867), pp. 307 and 373.
This document is what is usually called primary source. What is an primary source, because you probably don`t have any idea: Primary source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source)
In the study of history as an academic discipline, a primary source (also called original source or evidence) is an artifact, a document, diary, manuscript, autobiography, a recording, or other source of information that was created at the time under study. It serves as an original source of information about the topic.

This document confirms us what we have read in other documents quoted by me in this post, the existence of this country mentioned by different ancient authors as Albanopolis or Arvanon. Also, the most interesting fact is that we find here mentioned this leader of the uprising named Ducagini d`Arbania. This Dukagjini(Alb), are probably the most famous family in the history of Albania. This Ducagini arrived in Ragusa from terra ferma, i.e Arbania. And we have still today in the Tirana County, northeast of Durres this village named Arbana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arban%C3%AB)

But it`s interesting also the name of this Albanian lord. Hammond explain very well it:
The name 'Ducagini' is evidently derived from the Latin 'dux' and the common Albanian name 'Ghin'; indeed an Albanian chieftain in 1281 was referred to as "dux Ginius Tanuschus" Dux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dux)
That an title became part of the surname need some time. Probably, to one of the ancestors of this Dukagjini, was given this title of Dux and his name was Gjin. Probably after generations that this title was use by this family, this title became part of their surname and we have this noble Albanian family of middle age, The Dukagjini Family. The most famous from the members of this family was Lek Dukagjini, the codifier of the Kanun, the most famous of different Albanian Kanuns, the ancient Constitution of the Albanians.
I remember that i asked servs that meanwhile the Albanians were an consolidate ethnic group, with their nobilty and abble to put in difficulty the East Roman Empire with their uprisings, where were the ancestors of the today serbs? Nobody from the servs answer to my question. Well is high probabile that in this period of time, the ancestors of the serbs were among Pashtun tribes in today Afganistan, this is one of the different theories. Other theories speak for different locations of the serbs, Caucasus, beyond the Ural mountain in Siberia, even Indonesia, etc, etc, etc.

Another important document about Albanians is this:

1000 — 1018
Anonymous:
Fragment on the Origins of Nations

It can be seen that there are various languages on earth. Of them, there are five Orthodox languages: Bulgarian, Greek, Syrian, Iberian (Georgian) and Russian. Three of these have Orthodox alphabets: Greek, Bulgarian and Iberian. There are twelve languages of half-believers: Alamanians, Franks, Magyars (Hungarians), Indians, Jacobites, Armenians, Saxons, Lechs (Poles), Arbanasi (Albanians), Croatians, Hizi, Germans.

Source:
Extract from: Radoslav Grujic: Legenda iz vremena Cara Samuila o poreklu naroda. in: Glasnik skopskog naucnog drustva, Skopje, 13 (1934), p. 198 200. Translated from the Old Church Slavonic by Robert Elsie. First published in R. Elsie: Early Albania, a Reader of Historical Texts, 11th - 17th Centuries, Wiesbaden 2003, p. 3.

I see mentioned in the document Albanians and Croats among the other nation of the world, but not servs. Of course there were some servs:
Practically nothing was known about the Serbs before 1136 when Tihomir, who was merely a shepherd, became Grand Zupan.
In the 12th century, according to a contemporary chronicler, W. of Tyre, the Serbs were "an uncultured and undisciplined people inhabiting the mountains and the forests" and who "sometimes ...
quit their mountains and forests... to ravage the surrounding countries", (cited by W. Miller, Essays on the Latin Orient, 1921, p. 446).

continue

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Nisam četnik, nisam ni pravoslavac ali istina je da ne liče na nas.

Pouzdano se ne zna naše porjeklo obzirom da nismo R1 skupina naroda kao Germani i Slaveni.

Razlika između I2 i R1 je ogromna tako da jedni i drugi zajedno ne mogu biti slaveni. Mogu biti ili jedni ili drugi.

Teorije su ti jako loše i nezasnovane. Germanski narodi govore germanskim jezicima. Samo koriste posuđenice od starog latinskog koje imamo i mi. Slaveni su donijeli Slavenski jezik na Balkan i slavenizirali domaće Ilirsko stanovništvo. I to je to. Nema tu mnogo polemike.

Vjerujem da Slaveni govore našim Ilirskim jezikom kao što Germanski narodi govore jezikom koji su preuzeli od Rimljana koje su pobili.

Iskreno Albanci mi više liče na Berbere, mislim čak da su oni Berberi iz Kartage koji su se povukli zajedno sa Rimljanima kad su bježali pred Arapima, ako
uzmemo da su Rimljani bježali iz Afrike u 7 stoljeću onda je logično da su bježali u Grčku, obzirom da je Italija već bila izgubljena. Berberi imaju također E1b y-dna

[Jana]

Nisam četnik, nisam ni pravoslavac ali istina je da ne liče na nas.

Pouzdano se ne zna naše porjeklo obzirom da nismo R1 skupina naroda kao Germani i Slaveni.

Razlika između I2 i R1 je ogromna tako da jedni i drugi zajedno ne mogu biti slaveni. Mogu biti ili jedni ili drugi.

Vjerujem da Slaveni govore našim Ilirskim jezikom kao što Germanski narodi govore jezikom koji su preuzeli od Rimljana koje su pobili.

Iskreno Albanci mi više liče na Berbere, mislim čak da su oni Berberi iz Kartage koji su se povukli zajedno sa Rimljanima kad su bježali pred Arapima, ako
uzmemo da su Rimljani bježali iz Afrike u 7 stoljeću onda je logično da su bježali u Grčku, obzirom da je Italija već bila izgubljena. Berberi imaju također E1b y-dna

Nemogu Slaveni kao najveća jezična skupina u Europi imati samo jednu haplogrupu, to ne postoji.
Ne određuje se porijeklo naroda izgledom, to je smješno. I mislim da nisi vidio dovoljno Berbera, većina je preegzotična i za najjužnije djelove Europe, što ne čudi kada imaju oko 1/4 crnačkih gena.

[Dick]

This is very distinct Serb face that is resonably Slavic looking. probably I2 y-dna

http://content.newsinc.com/jpg/484/32054071/51655881.jpg?t=1488282840
https://n2sui257miu3ywn6u1xjyrz1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/160926-NUGGETS-PRESS-DAY-KEVINJBEATY-08.jpg
http://static.mondo.rs/Picture/538139/jpeg/Nikola-Jokic

[Vlatko Vukovic]

This is very distinct Serb face that is resonably Slavic looking. probably I2 y-dna

http://content.newsinc.com/jpg/484/32054071/51655881.jpg?t=1488282840
https://n2sui257miu3ywn6u1xjyrz1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/160926-NUGGETS-PRESS-DAY-KEVINJBEATY-08.jpg
http://static.mondo.rs/Picture/538139/jpeg/Nikola-Jokic

Yes, Nikola Jokić looks Slavic.

[Laberia]

I feel like some people are afraid to post in english here because their theories are fucking hilarious on google translate. Albanians are berbers from caucasus :cool:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217910-The-creation-of-serv-and-Romanian-modern-nation&p=4574376&highlight=charvi#post4574376
u iranskome u charv. lolololo

[Jana]

Albanci su potomci Ilira vecinom, ali njihova zemlja je Albanija, ne Kosovo. Sa Kosova je otjerano Slavensko (vecinom Srpsko) stanovnistvo pod Turskom okupacijom i naseljeno Albansko. Tako da Kosovo nije Albanska zemlja, a Albaniju im niko ne dira. To su neke činjenice.

To srpsko stanovništvo se naselilo u hrvatsku, bosnu i madžarsku. Zašto Srbi ne vrate Vojvodinu? Oni su u nju došli na isti način kako tvrde da su Albanci na Kosovo.
Realno su se najviše okoristili osmanskim osvajanjima i proširili na zapad i sjever gdje ih prije Turaka uopće nije bilo.

[Jana]

@Vlatko Vukovic @Serbo Makeridov
Ignore Feichy, she's uber emotional because she's of bosniak(albanian) origin.



Until we get an illyrian burial ground or something that certifies its illyrian that j2b2 found is as legit as the gipsy one found in Romania which was if i remember well from paleothic.
You forgot to mention 2 things:
-only one J2b2 was found in ancient balkans, yet the rest was I2 and G, followed by R.
-the j2b2 had highly farmer admixture, and very low in whg and indo-european, it couldnt possibly have brought a indo-european language!
So why was the illyrian J2b2 and not I2, G or a indo-european R?

I2 found in the Balkans was not ancestral to I2-dinaric. It was tested negative for downstream subclades, so dinaric I2 has nothing to do with that extinct line.
While J2B2 found is like modern Balkan lines. Big difference.

[Bosniensis]

Oh my.. here comes Laberia.... there is no hope for this thread anymore.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

To srpsko stanovništvo se naselilo u hrvatsku, bosnu i madžarsku. Zašto Srbi ne vrate Vojvodinu? Oni su u nju došli na isti način kako tvrde da su Albanci na Kosovo.
Realno su se najviše okoristili osmanskim osvajanjima i proširili na zapad i sjever gdje ih prije Turaka uopće nije bilo.

Zato što su Srbi baš pod tim nacionalnim (u to doba plemenskim) imenom prije Mađara bili naselili Vojvodinu, pa su pod najezdom Ugara (Mađara) pobjegli prema jugu. Nije to adekvatno poređenje sa Kosovom.

[Lollipop]

To srpsko stanovništvo se naselilo u hrvatsku, bosnu i madžarsku. Zašto Srbi ne vrate Vojvodinu? Oni su u nju došli na isti način kako tvrde da su Albanci na Kosovo.
Realno su se najviše okoristili osmanskim osvajanjima i proširili na zapad i sjever gdje ih prije Turaka uopće nije bilo.

Vojvodina was serbian territory ever since VI century, and was a center for slavs.The name itself is serbian.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Shiptaroid Asiatic haplogroup R1b-L23 is most common among Armenians, Bashkirs, around Caucasus, in eastern Anatolia and in Middle East, this haplogroup is alien (very exotic) in Europe.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d2/95/6d/d2956de192a379b5eeddccf344356fd9.gif

[Lollipop]

I2 found in the Balkans was not ancestral to I2-dinaric. It was tested negative for downstream subclades, so dinaric I2 has nothing to do with that extinct line.
While J2B2 found is ancestrl to all Balkan lines. Big difference.

And It is irrelevant that it was not ancestral to I2-dinaric.
Again, don't make me repeat a second time.
-Only one J2b2 sample was found, it did not even hint of it having brought any indo-european language, as it was highly farmer
-Most of ancient Balkans samples found were I2,G and R.They all have a higher chance of being illyrian than J2b2.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

A osmanskim osvajanjima se okoristili jesu u jednu ruku, a u drugu nisu. Zavisi sa kojeg aspekta.

[Lollipop]

Gud riding tserbulano:

Stop copy-pasting that fake albanian document about '"Ducagini d'Arbania"

>from 'Hammond refers to an old document of the seventh century AD from the archives of Ragusa(Dubrovnik). The document is published by V. Makusev, Pamiatniki Dubrovnika (Petrograd, 1867), pp. 307 and 373.

Its already explained that it was not a seventh century document but a book that makes reference to one but you keep posting the same crap and its not considered a credible historical source due to order of events that is found nowhere else and albanian fantasy,its only reference is on shiptars propaganda site along with hundreds of propaganda books made during Hoxha regime to prove albanians illyrians theorem ,as such you will find it nowhere.
The rest is irrelevent,the first reference of albanians is in the 11 or 12 century and NOTHING links them to illyrians.

[Bosniensis]

Vojvodina was serbian territory ever since VI century, and was a center for slavs.The name itself is serbian.

What's difference between Romanian I2a2 and Bosnian/Serbian I2a2?

Are those two the same, because Aromanians have the same I2a2 as we do.

[Jana]

Zato što su Srbi baš pod tim nacionalnim (u to doba plemenskim) imenom prije Mađara bili naselili Vojvodinu, pa su pod najezdom Ugara (Mađara) pobjegli prema jugu. Nije to adekvatno poređenje sa Kosovom.

Nisu Srbi nikada naselili Vojvodinu niti je to zabilježeno u niti jednom povjesnom zapisu.
Slaveni u Vojvodini nisu bili Srbi. Ime Beograd na madžarskom znači Bugarski bijeli grad...

[Jana]

And It is irrelevant that it was not ancestral to I2-dinaric.
Again, don't make me repeat a second time.
-Only one J2b2 sample was found, it did not even hint of it having brought any indo-european language, as it was highly farmer
-Most of ancient Balkans samples found were I2,G and R.They all have a higher chance of being illyrian than J2b2.

Nope. They can't be Illyrian since they are older than that. J2B2 sample was bronze age one, just like R1b-L23 from Vučedol was too.
I2 from Balkans as well as R1b was paleolithic stuff, nothing to do with Indo-European Illyrians.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Nisu Srbi nikada naselili Vojvodinu niti je to zabilježeno u niti jednom povjesnom zapisu.
Slaveni u Vojvodini nisu bili Srbi. Ime Beograd na madžarskom znači Bugarski bijeli grad...

Vojvodina je staroslavenska riječ, danas Srpska. Mislim da i to mnogo stvari govori. Mađari čak nemaju uopšte svoje ime za to. I oni kažu "Voivodine".

[Bosniensis]

Nisu Srbi nikada naselili Vojvodinu niti je to zabilježeno u niti jednom povjesnom zapisu.
Slaveni u Vojvodini nisu bili Srbi. Ime Beograd na madžarskom znači Bugarski bijeli grad...

Jesi li ti ikad vidjela Bugare, Bugari su Mongoli.

Današnji lažni Bugari su zapravo Tračani i to im je pravi naziv, otkud im uopšte da sebe nazivaju Bugarima.

Beograd znači Beli Grad (Lijepi Grad).

Pa Titu su pjevali "Druže Tito bela (lijepog) lica kad ćeš doći do Užica" to je stari Srpski termin koji se više ne koristi.

[Laberia]

Oh my.. here comes Laberia.... there is no hope for this thread anymore.

How can be possible that an asiatic scum like you attack an entire continent? Here we are not talking only about Albanians, no. Germans, French, Italians, all are not Europeans, all are barbars, all the other slavs took their language from you, meanwhile the garbage of Asia pretend not only to be considered European, but also pretend to be the only and real European. You are not an European retard.

[Jana]

Vojvodina was serbian territory ever since VI century, and was a center for slavs.The name itself is serbian.
Nope. Vojvodina is not original name for region, but in Hungarian Southern Lands.

Serbs were settled far to the south in middle ages, around their core in Raška/Kosovo, far away from lowlands.

[Dema]

Unbelievable what i read in last 5 pages of this thread...

Are you guys having fun?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Nikola Jokić is probably N1-P189.2 www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/19/jokić/

He is from Vojvodina, but I think that he is descendant of colonists from Lika.

That haplogroup is originally from Pivljani and Banjani tribes, but it is quite common among Lika Serbs, because a lot of Banjani and Pivljani were migrated to the Lika in 16th and 17th century.

[EasternEurope]

Jesi li ti ikad vidjela Bugare, Bugari su Mongoli.

Današnji lažni Bugari su zapravo Tračani i to im je pravi naziv, otkud im uopšte da sebe nazivaju Bugarima.

Beograd znači Beli Grad (Lijepi Grad).

Pa Titu su pjevali "Druže Tito bela (lijepog) lica kad ćeš doći do Užica" to je stari Srpski termin koji se više ne koristi.

LOL

[Vlatko Vukovic]

How can be possible that an asiatic scum like you attack an entire continent? Here we are not talking only about Albanians, no. Germans, French, Italians, all are not Europeans, all are barbars, all the other slavs took their language from you, meanwhile the garbage of Asia pretend not only to be considered European, but also pretend to be the only and real European. You are not an European retard.

Albanian language is one of Indo-European languages... like German,Cletic,Slavic, Roman...etc so you cant say Barbars for them

[Bosniensis]

How can be possible that an asiatic scum like you attack an entire continent? Here we are not talking only about Albanians, no. Germans, French, Italians, all are not Europeans, all are barbars, all the other slavs took their language from you, meanwhile the garbage of Asia pretend not only to be considered European, but also pretend to be the only and real European. You are not an European retard.

I am waiting for 23andMe results...

What if I score R1a and R1b..

Good God that would be hilarious.

and I've been attacking them the whole time.

But that is unlikely.

I might even score EV13

What do you think ?

[Lollipop]

Nope. They can't be Illyrian since they are older than that. J2B2 sample was bronze age one, just like R1b-L23 from Vučedol was too.
I2 from Balkans as well as R1b was paleolithic stuff, nothing to do with Indo-European Illyrians.

Hahaha!And what if they are older than that?Even if another ydna made them speak illyrian, the bulk of balkanites was still formed from I2,G and sometimes R, this would be the ancient illyrians.That modern albanians lack those ydna's it simply proves they are NOT native to balkans, its not even important who brought illyrian.Even more importantly, why do you think that ancient balkans only had those ydna's?We need a few thousand samples to even make a basic conclusion first.
The J2b2 was a lost herder from Anatolia, judging by its very high farmer admixture, even MORE farmer than most balkanites today.It couldn't have spoken a indo-european language at that time, judging by its very low whg and indo admixture, it had no business with Europe proper.

[Lavrentis]

Bosniensis is probably some Serbian troll who has been laughing his ass off by how many people and threads he has trolled.

[Dick]

I am waiting for 23andMe results...

What if I score R1a and R1b..

Good God that would be hilarious.

and I've been attacking them the whole time.

But that is unlikely.

I might even score EV13

What do you think ?

You will be I2 or Ev13

[Jana]

Shiptaroid Asiatic haplogroup R1b-L23 is most common among Armenians, Bashkirs, around Caucasus, in eastern Anatolia and in Middle East, this haplogroup is alien (very exotic) in Europe.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d2/95/6d/d2956de192a379b5eeddccf344356fd9.gif

You forgot tomention it is from Yamnaya, PIE steppe marker. I guess you're jelaous :D

[Сербо Макеридов]

Nope. Vojvodina is not original name for region, but in Hungarian Southern Lands.

Serbs were settled far to the south in middle ages, around their core in Raška/Kosovo, far away from lowlands.

Vojvodina akways was Serbian land, Hungarians are Turkic invaders.

Greetings for you from Serbian Vojvodina from me! :cool:


https://youtu.be/v8LeMUEZJEg

[Dema]

to je stari Srpski termin koji se više ne koristi.

Pise se malim slovom - srpski (lower-case)


Malo smo nepismeni?

[Laberia]

Stop copy-pasting that fake albanian document about '"Ducagini d'Arbania"


Its already explained that it was not a seventh century document but a book that makes reference to one but you keep posting the same crap and its not considered a credible historical source due to order of events that is found nowhere else and albanian fantasy,its only reference is on shiptars propaganda site along with hundreds of propaganda books made during Hoxha regime to prove albanians illyrians theorem ,as such you will find it nowhere.
The rest is irrelevent,the first reference of albanians is in the 11 or 12 century and NOTHING links them to illyrians.

Who explained it son of the roma whore?
Read here gypsy:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1705_Leibniz/index.html
1705-1715
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz:
Correspondence on the Albanian Language

II. On this occasion, I would beg you, Sir, to send me the Lord's Prayer in the Epirotic (Albanian) language in an interlinear version and would be obliged to you if you could add the Credo, if possible. Please also send me the titles of the two books in this idiom, their size and the date and place of publication, for this language, being little known, is worthy of being investigated. I will endeavour to find these books in Rome. With them, ancient monuments have been dug up from the foundations of Notre Dame in Paris.

(Hanover, 28 December 1711)

… The modern European alphabets are derived from Latin, with the exception of the two Slavic ones: Cyrillic and so-called Glagolitic. Some authors later attributed these to Saint Jerome who was of Illyrian origin, but falsely so, as if the ancient Illyrian language were some sort of Slavic. But the Slavs were late to arrive in Illyria, not before the age of Justinian. The ancient Illyrians were of Celtic origin. They used a language closely related to Germanic and Gaulish. It is evident that relics of this are preserved in the modern language, in particular in that of the Epirots, of which I have seen specimens published. Nowadays they generally call the Slavic language Illyrian because the Slavs settled in Illyria. …

(Vienna, 13 January 1714)

II. …One day in Berlin you gave me a book in the language of the Epirots, printed in Rome by the Propaganda Fide. I believe it had the Lord's Prayer in that language and I took it out. But I cannot easily find it in my letters. Would you be so kind, Sir, as to send it to me once more?

(Hanover, 24 March 1715)
Source:
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, Opera Philologica (Hildesheim: Georg Olms, 1989).

Eat some shit together with your friends.

[Jana]

What's difference between Romanian I2a2 and Bosnian/Serbian I2a2?

Are those two the same, because Aromanians have the same I2a2 as we do.

Vlachs/Aromanians are mostly R1b L23 which your Serbian friend calls Asian. Romanians from Romania have more I2 than Aromanians due to huge amount of Slavs they assimilated, which is also visible in toponyms and pre-reform vocabulary of that people.

[Laberia]

Bosniensis is probably some Serbian troll who has been laughing his ass off by how many people and threads he has trolled.
No, he is not a troll. He is a retard, belive me.

[Dick]

Vlachs/Aromanians are mostly R1b L23

Interesting since this ydna is common for Albanians as well. Where did you find this info?

[Lollipop]

Vlachs/Aromanians are mostly R1b L23 which your Serbian friend calls Asian. Romanians from Romania have more I2 than Aromanians due to huge amount of Slavs they assimilated, which is also visible in toponyms and pre-reform vocabulary of that people.

No.Aromanians are mostly I2a, and J2(the branch that greeks have).
I2 is not slavic, quit the crap.It was slavonised.

[Laberia]

Vojvodina akways was Serbian land, Hungarians are Turkic invaders.

Greetings for you from Serbian Vojvodina from me! :cool:


https://youtu.be/v8LeMUEZJEg
Voivodina is the classic example of what coward people without honor are you. They opened the door of their home to you and you stoled their land.

[Lollipop]

Nope. Vojvodina is not original name for region, but in Hungarian Southern Lands.

Serbs were settled far to the south in middle ages, around their core in Raška/Kosovo, far away from lowlands.

Simply no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina

[Jana]

Vojvodina akways was Serbian land, Hungarians are Turkic invaders.

Greetings for you from Serbian Vojvodina from me! :cool:


https://youtu.be/v8LeMUEZJEg

No problem, you are now majority there. Just like Albanians in Kosovo :D
It doesn't change the fact you arrived there as refugees several centuries before
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migrations_of_the_Serbs

[Lollipop]

No problem, you are now majority there. Just like Albanians in Kosovo :D
It doesn't change the fact you arrived there as refugeees several centuries before
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migrations_of_the_Serbs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina

You are welcome. :thumb001:

[Bosniensis]

Bosniensis is probably some Serbian troll who has been laughing his ass off by how many people and threads he has trolled.

There is no historian on Earth that can confirm you with 100% accuracy anything related to Western Balkans. We have been conquered so many times
that at some point we spoke Illyrian, then Latin, then Turkish, then Slavic that could also be a variant of ancient Illyrian... nobody knows.

What we know for sure is that the highest % of Dinarid people is on Western Balkans, that means we are not Baltic people who are Baltids. Who do you think
that Dinarid people are?

I am not Trolling, I just don't have a 100% valid proofs, but my theories are plausible. I can challenge Slavic migrations theory easily as well with quesion: "Why are we
NOT Baltid people like Russians?" Simple you see...

Only God knows when the true Truth about western balkans is gonna be revealed.

[Kelmendasi]

Hahaha!And what if they are older than that?Even if another ydna made them speak illyrian, the bulk of balkanites was still formed from I2,G and sometimes R, this would be the ancient illyrians.That modern albanians lack those ydna's it simply proves they are NOT native to balkans, its not even important who brought illyrian.Even more importantly, why do you think that ancient balkans only had those ydna's?We need a few thousand samples to even make a basic conclusion first.
The J2b2 was a lost herder from Anatolia, judging by its very high farmer admixture, even MORE farmer than most balkanites today.It couldn't have spoken a indo-european language at that time, judging by its very low whg and indo admixture, it had no business with Europe proper.
Kek xD. The J2b2 was greatly Steppe admixed btw and the age of it is linked to the Illyrian arrival also it had a common Steppe Mtdna, the R1b found in the Vucedol site was ancestral to that of the clade that Albanians have so lol at you saying that Albanians don't have it xD. You forget that G2 is the main Neolithic haplogroup you pleb xD. Just continue crying over the fact that eupedia claims J2b2 as an Illyrian haplogroup and that I2a-Din wasn't found in the Balkans but in Poland xD