R1a haplogroup

[Lollipop]

Who explained it son of the roma whore?
Read here gypsy:
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1705_Leibniz/index.html
1705-1715
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz:
Correspondence on the Albanian Language

Source:
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, Opera Philologica (Hildesheim: Georg Olms, 1989).

Eat some shit together with your friends.
Google your quote ,you will find debate on wikipedia were zoupan and others argued its credibility and managed to not get this shit propaganda published,but even if he hadnt that piece of information is only found on albanian propaganda websites which tells us it never got approved to be anything more than toilet paper.
That Leibniz quote is irrelevent.

[Jana]

Simply no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina

Wrong
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9lvid%C3%A9k

Southern Lands is the correct historical name.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Vlachs/Aromanians are mostly R1b L23 which your Serbian friend calls Asian. Romanians from Romania have more I2 than Aromanians due to huge amount of Slavs they assimilated, which is also visible in toponyms and pre-reform vocabulary of that people.

Not true, only Aromans from Andon Poci have that haplogrup, but they are very different from other Aromanians and they can not represent Aromanoans on average.

Aromanians from Andon Poci are very mixed with Shiptars and because of that they have Asiatic non-European R1b-L23.

Aromanian from Macedonia,northwest Greece and other parts of Albania have 0-2% R1b-L23.

[Kelmendasi]

No.Aromanians are mostly I2a, and J2(the branch that greeks have).
I2 is not slavic, quit the crap.It was slavonised.
The J2 that Aromanians have depends on the region, in Albania they have J2b2. The mutation of I2a1b that Slavs have evolved in the Slavic ethnogenesis

[Vlatko Vukovic]

No problem, you are now majority there. Just like Albanians in Kosovo :D
It doesn't change the fact you arrived there as refugees several centuries before
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Migrations_of_the_Serbs

Mađari su najkasnije migrirali u Evropu (od naroda koji su se nastanili). Službena hrvatska wikipedija kaže ovako: Mađari (Madžari), narod ugarske grane ugro-finskih naroda, podrijetlom između Volge i Urala, srodan Vogulima ili Mansima i Ostjacima ili Hantima, danas naseljen u Mađarskoj i u još ukupno 29 država od čega najviše u SAD-u, Rumunjskoj, Slovačkoj i Srbiji.

Piše da su srodni Ostjacima, znaš li kako izgledaju Ostjaci? Mislim da se sve teorije o mongoloidno-turanidskom fenotipu starih proto-Mađara ovim potvrđuju.

[Dick]

Kek xD. The J2b2 was greatly Steppe admixed btw and the age of it is linked to the Illyrian arrival also it had a common Steppe Mtdna, the R1b found in the Vucedol site was ancestral to that of the clade that Albanians have so lol at you saying that Albanians don't have it xD. You forget that G2 is the main Neolithic haplogroup you pleb xD. Just continue crying over the fact that eupedia claims J2b2 as an Illyrian haplogroup and that I2a-Din wasn't found in the Balkans but in Poland xD

So R1b L23 is actually Vlach, which is common with Albanians and Greeks.

[Lollipop]

Kek xD. The J2b2 was greatly Steppe admixed btw and the age of it is linked to the Illyrian arrival also it had a common Steppe Mtdna, the R1b found in the Vucedol site was ancestral to that of the clade that Albanians have so lol at you saying that Albanians don't have it xD. You forget that G2 is the main Neolithic haplogroup you pleb xD. Just continue crying over the fact that eupedia claims J2b2 as an Illyrian haplogroup and that I2a-Din wasn't found in the Balkans but in Poland xD

The J2b2 had low steppe admixture, if it ended took part in a indo-european language etnogenesis, it would have been atleast 50%.It was around 60% farmer and had very low whg, meaning it was from outside Europe.
95% of the ydnas from Ancient Balkans were I2,G and sometimes R(R1b).DO you understand that it is not important who brought what language, when those ydna's lack in albanians?How can there be continuity when your paternal line is different?

[Laberia]

I am waiting for 23andMe results...

What if I score R1a and R1b..

Good God that would be hilarious.

and I've been attacking them the whole time.

But that is unlikely.

I might even score EV13

What do you think ?
This is what i think about you:

You are a muslim serv. Your strange identity remember me something.
There is a famous novel written by a very famous Albanian writer, Ismail Kadare. The original title can be translated, "The Winter of Great Loneliness." The book talk about the Soviet-Albanian split. Part of the book talk about the situation in the naval base of Vlora, which is called Pasha Liman. It's an naval military base 25 century old. The crew of the base was mixed, Albanians and Russians. And the situation in the base was on the eve of the war and outside of the base people of my region, Labëria armed to the teeth were waiting for a signal to attack the base. Long story.
There is a dialogue between two Russian sailors who are drunk by drinking vodka. More or less this is the dialogue:
Sailor 1: Do you know one thing?
Sailor 2: No, what?
Sailor 1: Do you know one thing?
Sailor 2: I told you I do not know.
Sailor 1: Do you know what is the result when a hedgehog fucks a snake?
Sailor 2: No, I do not know. I never thought about it before. Tell me.
Sailor 1: Two meters of barbed wire.

You are 2m of this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Barbed_wire.jpg/1280px-Barbed_wire.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Not true, only Aromans from Andon Poci have that haplogrup, but they are very different from other Aromanians and they can not represent Aromanoans on average.

Aromanians from Andon Poci are very mixed with Shiptars and because of that they have Asiatic non-European R1b-L23.

Aromanian from Macedonia,northwest Greece and other parts of Albania have 0-2% R1b-L23.
R1b-Z2103 that Albanians have was found in the ancient Balkans in Vucedol, cry me a river

[Lollipop]

Wrong
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9lvid%C3%A9k

Southern Lands is the correct historical name.

>article in hungarian

into the trash it goes.I only take objective documents.m interested tho how you got that article ,cause its in hungarian and you said you dont know it.


Slavs settled today's Vojvodina in the 6th and 7th centuries,[6] before some of them crossed the rivers Sava and Danube and settled in the Balkans. Slavic tribes that lived in the territory of present-day Vojvodina included Abodrites, Severans, Braničevci and Timočani. In the 9th century, after the fall of the Avar state, the first forms of Slavic statehood emerged in this area.


The regional demographic balance started changing in the 11th century when Magyars began to replace the local Slavic population. But from the 14th century, the balance changed again in favour of the Slavs when Serbian refugees fleeing from territories conquered by the Ottoman army settled in the area.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Wrong
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9lvid%C3%A9k

Southern Lands is the correct historical name.

Vojvodina always was Serbian land, until Hungarian Turkic Asiatic inavasion.
1918 Vojvodina has returned where it belongs.


https://youtu.be/fGKEFoYmQTE

[Bosniensis]

This is what i think about you:


You are 2m of this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Barbed_wire.jpg/1280px-Barbed_wire.jpg

I don't get that Joke, can you give me some insight why is barbed wire so much funny to you?

[Jana]

No.Aromanians are mostly I2a, and J2(the branch that greeks have).
I2 is not slavic, quit the crap.It was slavonised.

They are not motly I2A (they have 20%), they are R1b and lots of E-V13.
They are far more native Balkanites than Romanians are.

Ofcourse it is Slavic, so Slavic your own country had to remove many Slavic words from the vocabulary because you spoke half-Slavic language. lol

[Laberia]

Google your quote ,you will find debate on wikipedia were zoupan and others argued its credibility and managed to not get this shit propaganda published,but even if he hadnt that piece of information is only found on albanian propaganda websites which tells us it never got approved to be anything more than toilet paper.
That Leibniz quote is irrelevent.
And who the fuck is zoupan retard? The man who rape everyday your gypsy mother and sister? From what i know he is davai, but it`s possible that he is your boss Bruce Lee from the underground of Bucharest.
Leibniz is irrelevant, holy shit.

[Jana]

Not true, only Aromans from Andon Poci have that haplogrup, but they are very different from other Aromanians and they can not represent Aromanoans on average.

Aromanians from Andon Poci are very mixed with Shiptars and because of that they have Asiatic non-European R1b-L23.

Aromanian from Macedonia,northwest Greece and other parts of Albania have 0-2% R1b-L23.

Give me links and proofs of your claims. Thank you.

[Kelmendasi]

The J2b2 had low steppe admixture, if it ended took part in a indo-european language etnogenesis, it would have been atleast 50%.It was around 60% farmer and had very low whg, meaning it was from outside Europe.
95% of the ydnas from Ancient Balkans were I2,G and sometimes R(R1b).DO you understand that it is not important who brought what language, when those ydna's lack in albanians?How can there be continuity when your paternal line is different?
R1b doesn't lack in Albanians and btw the I2 found was I2a2a not I2a1b. The G2 samples in the Balkans were nearly fully Neolithic you speng. Your just butthurt

[Laberia]

I don't get that Joke, can you give me some insight why is barbed wire so much funny to you?

Who give a shit if you get or not. This is what you are, part snake and part hedgehog.

[Jana]

Mađari su najkasnije migrirali u Evropu (od naroda koji su se nastanili). Službena hrvatska wikipedija kaže ovako: Mađari (Madžari), narod ugarske grane ugro-finskih naroda, podrijetlom između Volge i Urala, srodan Vogulima ili Mansima i Ostjacima ili Hantima, danas naseljen u Mađarskoj i u još ukupno 29 država od čega najviše u SAD-u, Rumunjskoj, Slovačkoj i Srbiji.

Piše da su srodni Ostjacima, znaš li kako izgledaju Ostjaci? Mislim da se sve teorije o mongoloidno-turanidskom fenotipu starih proto-Mađara ovim potvrđuju.

Da, I ?

[Lollipop]

The J2 that Aromanians have depends on the region, in Albania they have J2b2. The mutation of I2a1b that Slavs have evolved in the Slavic ethnogenesis

Show me a source of this aromanians with J2b2.Looking at google results, aromanians seems to be mostly of I and R.
Also I2a1b was slavonised, it did not take part in slavic ethnogenesis.

[Albobalboa]

Keep it classy in this thread. It's about DNA for the most part so skip the quotes, that's for another discussion.

Shame when good threads get ruined.

So what I am taking from it this far: Albanian Y-DNA composition is similar to as it was prior to the Illyrians? If not, what has changed since the Illyrians?

Kelmendasi claimed I2a-Din wasn't found during the Illyrian times, is that correct or have I misunderstood?

[Lollipop]

They are not motly I2A (they have 20%), they are R1b and lots of E-V13.
They are far more native Balkanites than Romanians are.

Ofcourse it is Slavic, so Slavic your own country had to remove many Slavic words from the vocabulary because you spoke half-Slavic language. lol

We did not remove slavic words, we added latin words, and the slavic words became slowly unnused.We did not do this because we had something with slavs, but because we needed the help of other latin countries.We added mostly french words.I'd advice both you and your bf to dont talk if you dont know what you are talking about.

[Lollipop]

R1b doesn't lack in Albanians and btw the I2 found was I2a2a not I2a1b. The G2 samples in the Balkans were nearly fully Neolithic you speng. Your just butthurt

DUDE.Do you understand what I am telling you?This is the last time I'm repeating myself.

The J2b2 had low steppe admixture, if it ended took part in a indo-european language etnogenesis, it would have been atleast 50%.It was around 60% farmer and had very low whg, meaning it was from outside Europe.
95% of the ydnas from Ancient Balkans were I2,G and sometimes R(R1b).DO you understand that it is not important who brought what language, when those ydna's lack in albanians?How can there be continuity when your paternal line is different?

[Jana]

>article in hungarian

into the trash it goes.I only take objective documents.m interested tho how you got that article ,cause its in hungarian and you said you dont know it.

Thanks, I like your sources . It confirms what I said, that First Serbs arrived as refugees since 14th century on.
Don't worry, it's enough to look at the architecture of the cities and see how they have little to do with it.

[Albobalboa]

We did not remove slavic words, we added latin words, and the slavic words became slowly unnused.We did not do this because we had something with slavs, but because we needed the help of other latin countries.We added mostly french words.I'd advice both you and your bf to dont talk if you dont know what you are talking about.

http://i.imgur.com/qCbR9GF.jpg

"We didn't suck their dicks, they fucked our mouths!"

[Lollipop]

And who the fuck is zoupan retard? The man who rape everyday your gypsy mother and sister? From what i know he is davai, but it`s possible that he is your boss Bruce Lee from the underground of Bucharest.
Leibniz is irrelevant, holy shit.
Never said Leibniz is irrelevent ,just that quote in this context is.
Who it is its irrelevent,what it matters is that document has 0 historical significance.

[Kelmendasi]

Show me a source of this aromanians with J2b2.Looking at google results, aromanians seems to be mostly of I and R.
Also I2a1b was slavonised, it did not take part in slavic ethnogenesis.
Will post the source in a sec. The date of that specific clade is during the Slav ethnogenesis just deal with it

[Lollipop]

Thanks, I like your sources . It confirms what I said, that First Serbs arrived as refugees since 14th century on.
Don't worry, it's enough to look at the architecture of the cities and see how they have little to do with it.

No, tell me , where are your sources?I even read that bullshit you posted , with google translate.
Again, the slavic presence in Vojvodina is archaeologically attested and also attested by writtings.

[Dick]

https://assets.fastcompany.com/image/upload/w_596,c_limit,q_auto:best,f_auto,fl_lossy/fc/3029310-inline-tumblrlzp0wkfmrv1rozti5o1400.gif

[Kelmendasi]

DUDE.Do you understand what I am telling you?This is the last time I'm repeating myself.

The J2b2 had low steppe admixture, if it ended took part in a indo-european language etnogenesis, it would have been atleast 50%.It was around 60% farmer and had very low whg, meaning it was from outside Europe.
95% of the ydnas from Ancient Balkans were I2,G and sometimes R(R1b).DO you understand that it is not important who brought what language, when those ydna's lack in albanians?How can there be continuity when your paternal line is different?
Hahahahahahahaha xD, man you are a funny ball of estrogenic outbursts xD. I can imagine you screaming behind your computer hahahahah xD

[Lollipop]

Will post the source in a sec. The date of that specific clade is during the Slav ethnogenesis just deal with it

Yea, but that subclade did not live in the location of slavic ethnogenesis.

[Kelmendasi]

Keep it classy in this thread. It's about DNA for the most part so skip the quotes, that's for another discussion.

Shame when good threads get ruined.

So what I am taking from it this far: Albanian Y-DNA composition is similar to as it was prior to the Illyrians? If not, what has changed since the Illyrians?

Kelmendasi claimed I2a-Din wasn't found during the Illyrian times, is that correct or have I misunderstood?

It is correct, the only I2 found was I2a2a and one I2a1a iirc no I2a1b which was found in other countries like Poland

[Porn Master]

http://i.imgur.com/qCbR9GF.jpg

"We didn't suck their dicks, they fucked our mouths!"






:rofl:

[Jana]

No, tell me , where are your sources?I even read that bullshit you posted , with google translate.
Again, the slavic presence in Vojvodina is archaeologically attested and also attested by writtings.

Ofcourse. Not only there, entire Panonnia was inhabited by Slavs (and not only them) when Hungarians arrived.

But they weren't Serbs, who lived hundreds of kilometers to the south at the time. My source is De administrando Imperio.

[Bosniensis]

Hahahahahahahaha xD, man you are a funny ball of estrogenic outbursts xD. I can imagine you screaming behind your computer hahahahah xD

Laberia told me that I am "part snake and part hedgehog."

Is that funny in Albanian.. or Laberia is just wierd?

[Kelmendasi]

Yea, but that subclade did not live in the location of slavic ethnogenesis.
The oldest one was found in Poland though

[Lollipop]

Forget about Laberia and his shoe size 42, atleast he's 1.75 and has an excuse.But isn't Stears like 1.93 and wears a 43?I had 43 when I was in middle school.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/04/lol.gif

[Kelmendasi]

Laberia told me that I am "part snake and part hedgehog."

Is that funny in Albanian.. or Laberia is just wierd?
Hahahahha dafuq xD. Idk man never heard it xD

[Lollipop]

The oldest one was found in Poland though

Ok schmuck. Go check where slavic etnogenesis took part and then come back.

[Albobalboa]

Slav/Romani face ever since Stearsolina and Kelmendasi joined the thread:

https://media.giphy.com/media/LRVnPYqM8DLag/giphy.gif

Ayy lmao

[Lollipop]

Ofcourse. Not only there, entire Panonnia was inhabited by Slavs (and not only them) when Hungarians arrived.

But they weren't Serbs, who lived hundreds of killometers to the south at the time. My source is De administrando Imperio.

Your source for hungarians having been in Vojvodina before Serbs.

[Dick]

Laberia told me that I am "part snake and part hedgehog."

Sounds like a compliment.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Give me links and proofs of your claims. Thank you.

Evo, pročitaj (malo niže) šta piše Синиша Јерковић www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=638.0 njegov drugi post po redu.

Da ti prevedem pošto verovatno ne znaš ćirilicu:

-R1b je pojedinačno najzastupljenija kod Cincara. Na osnovu malog broja markera se na može 100% utvrditi grana, ali mislim da dominira istočna grana sa 393=12.
Zanimljivo je da kod Cincara NIJE prisutna istočna grana 11-11, što opet navodi da je grana 11-11 šiptarska specifičnost. Jedino je kod Cincara u Andon Pociju na jugu Albanije pronađeno sedmoro sa R1b 11-11, ali šestorica imaju identičan haplotip.
Inače Cincari iz Andon Pocija odudaraju od ostatka cincarske populacije u svim ostalim mjestima.

[Jana]

Forget about Laberia and his shoe size 42, atleast he's 1.75 and has an excuse.But isn't Stears like 1.93 and wears a 43?I had 43 when I was in middle school.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/04/lol.gif

He has 46:)
And you ?

[Albobalboa]

Your source for hungarians having been in Vojvodina before Serbs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina

"After the Romans were driven away from this region, various Indo-European and Turkic peoples and states ruled in the area. These peoples included Goths, Sarmatians, Huns, Gepids and Avars. For regional history, the largest in importance was a Gepid state, which had its capital in Sirmium. According to the 7th-century Miracles of Saint Demetrius, Avars gave the region of Syrmia to a Bulgar leader named Kuber circa 680. The Bulgars of Kuber moved south with Maurus to Macedonia where they co-operated with Tervel in the 8th century."

It implies that they came before slavs, as slavs are mentioned after. No?

[Lollipop]

He has 46:)
And you ?

You claimed a few weeks ago that he has 42-43 and that he has small feet for his height.
Let's say I wear more than 46.

[Lollipop]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vojvodina

"After the Romans were driven away from this region, various Indo-European and Turkic peoples and states ruled in the area. These peoples included Goths, Sarmatians, Huns, Gepids and Avars. For regional history, the largest in importance was a Gepid state, which had its capital in Sirmium. According to the 7th-century Miracles of Saint Demetrius, Avars gave the region of Syrmia to a Bulgar leader named Kuber circa 680. The Bulgars of Kuber moved south with Maurus to Macedonia where they co-operated with Tervel in the 8th century."

It implies that they came before slavs, as slavs are mentioned after. No?

My E1b negro animal, there is no mention of magyars there.Magyars came in 8th century, and only later with christianisation they started expanding. I see you have selective view like the horse.

"Slavs settled today's Vojvodina in the 6th and 7th centuries,[6] "
"The regional demographic balance started changing in the 11th century when Magyars began to replace the local Slavic population. "

[Bosniensis]

You claimed a few weeks ago that he has 42-43 and that he has small feet for his height.
Let's say I wear more than 46.

What's wrong with 43, I am 186 and 43 is my number..

46.. you are alien man.. I've heard that Mongols had a big foots... you probably descended from Mongol people.

[Albobalboa]

My E1b negro animal, there is no mention of magyars there.Magyars came in 8th century, and only later with christianisation they started expanding. I see you have selective view like the horse.

"Slavs settled today's Vojvodina in the 6th and 7th centuries,[6] "
"The regional demographic balance started changing in the 11th century when Magyars began to replace the local Slavic population. "

You can't seperate between facts and emotions, very feminine. It says before those slav settlements that it was settled by others after the Romans. Now I've assumed the Huns and Magyars were the same thing, but I could be wrong.

[Jana]

Your source for hungarians having been in Vojvodina before Serbs.

Three other Khazar tribes joined the Magyars and took part in the Magyar conquest of the Carpathian basin including what is now Vojvodina in 895-907.
From your wiki article about Vojvodina. First Serbs are mentioned several centuries later (14th century). You have been defeated.


You claimed a few weeks ago that he has 42-43 and that he has small feet for his height.
Let's say I wear more than 46.
You read an old thread, it was about my ex-boyfriend, he really had small feel for such height, unllike Stears.

[Lollipop]

What's wrong with 43, I am 186 and 43 is my number..

46.. you are alien man.. I've heard that Mongols had a big foots... you probably descended from Mongol people.

43 is low for 186.It means you grown artificially, thanks to diet and other factors, as big feet are made to support tall man.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Wow, who cares what size of shoes who have

[Lollipop]

From your wiki article about Vojvodina. First Serbs are mentioned several centuries later (14th century). You have been defeated.


You read an old thread, it was about my ex-boyfriend, he really had small feel for such height, unllike Stears.

Your source for hungarians having been in Vojvodina before Serbs.You also have to prove that the slavs mentioned are not related with serbs, untill then we can't discuss.Writtings from 14th century are irrelevant, we are talking a few hundred years before.


You can't seperate between facts and emotions, very feminine. It says before those slav settlements that it was settled by others after the Romans. Now I've assumed the Huns and Magyars were the same thing, but I could be wrong.

Huns are not the same with magyars.Thanks for your valuable opinion.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

From your wiki article about Vojvodina. First Serbs are mentioned several centuries later (14th century). You have been defeated.


You read an old thread, it was about my ex-boyfriend, he really had small feel for such height, unllike Stears.

Your ex-boyfirend was Croat, or Hunnic too?

[Dick]

You read an old thread, it was about my ex-boyfriend, he really had small feel for such height, unllike Stears.


you know what they say about men with big feet? :heh:


They have big socks

[Bosniensis]

43 is low for 186.It means you grown artificially, thanks to diet and other factors, as big feet are made to support tall man.

No man, big foots are for strangers like you cause strangers from north were threading in deep snow. People like you needed big foots not to get drowned in snow.

[Jana]

Your ex-boyfirend was Croat, or Hunnic too?
Lol, he was half-Croat :)

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Lol, he was half-Croat :)

That's better.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Evo, pročitaj (malo niže) šta piše Синиша Јерковић www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=638.0 njegov drugi post po redu.

Da ti prevedem pošto verovatno ne znaš ćirilicu:

-R1b je pojedinačno najzastupljenija kod Cincara. Na osnovu malog broja markera se na može 100% utvrditi grana, ali mislim da dominira istočna grana sa 393=12.
Zanimljivo je da kod Cincara NIJE prisutna istočna grana 11-11, što opet navodi da je grana 11-11 šiptarska specifičnost. Jedino je kod Cincara u Andon Pociju na jugu Albanije pronađeno sedmoro sa R1b 11-11, ali šestorica imaju identičan haplotip.
Inače Cincari iz Andon Pocija odudaraju od ostatka cincarske populacije u svim ostalim mjestima.

Asiatic non-European origin of shiptaroid haplogroup R1b-L23 is obvious, Aromanians do not have that Asitic haplogroup which is originally from Caucasus and eastern Anatolia.

[Jana]

Asiatic non-European origin of shiptaroid haplogroup R1b-L23 is obvious, Aromanians do not have that Asitic haplogroup which is originally from Caucasus and eastern Anatolia.

So what type of R1b they have ?

[Dick]

https://media.giphy.com/media/axK08k3gWlloA/giphy.gif

[Lollipop]

Asiatic non-European origin of shiptaroid haplogroup R1b-L23 is obvious, Aromanians do not have that Asitic haplogroup which is originally from Caucasus and eastern Anatolia.

R1b-l23came from ARMENIA and it's responsible for the ugly dinarid race in Balkans.

[Dick]

R1b came from ARMENIA and it's responsible for the ugly dinarid race in Balkans.
R1b L23 reconstructed face of a man from Vucedol

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/86/ec/0a/86ec0ad03bb427b731d965a3d7f5fc17.jpg

[Bosniensis]

R1b-l23came from ARMENIA and it's responsible for the ugly dinarid race in Balkans.

Most of Roman Emperors were Dinarid.

So... you are wrong.

[Kelmendasi]

Asiatic non-European origin of shiptaroid haplogroup R1b-L23 is obvious, Aromanians do not have that Asitic haplogroup which is originally from Caucasus and eastern Anatolia.
It was already explained to you ya pleb that R1b-Z2103 which is the main Albanian clade for R1b was found in the Vucedol site

[Сербо Макеридов]

So what type of R1b they have ?

Non-European R1b-Z2103, which is sub-branch of L-23, and which is very common among Armenians, Osetians, Bashkirs, in eastern Anatolia and in Azerbaijan.

Bashkir people have around 70% of R1b-Z2103.

[Kelmendasi]

R1b-l23came from ARMENIA and it's responsible for the ugly dinarid race in Balkans.
Yes, is that why it was the clade found in Vucedol? xD

[Kelmendasi]

Non-European R1b-Z2103, which is sub-branch of L-23, and which is very common among Armenians, Osetians, Bashkirs, in eastern Anatolia and in Azerbaijan.

Bashkir people have around 70% of R1b-Z2103.
Yep the Illyrians were non-Euros xD

[Lollipop]

R1b L23 reconstructed face of a man from Vucedol

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/86/ec/0a/86ec0ad03bb427b731d965a3d7f5fc17.jpg

Christ on a stick, looks like some creature from Lotr


It was already explained to you ya pleb that R1b-Z2103 which is the main Albanian clade for R1b was found in the Vucedol site

It was already explained to you that most of ancient balkans was I2,G and sometimes R1b and its inhabitants dolicocephalic.I'm not saying that all of albanians are outsiders,just most. Its obviouv they assimilated locals.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yes, is that why it was the clade found in Vucedol? xD

Not true, Z2103 is very briefly present in Europe.

[Lollipop]

Yes, is that why it was the clade found in Vucedol? xD

R1b-l23 came from Armenia.

[Dick]

Christ on a stick, looks like some creature from Lotr



It was already explained to you that most of ancient balkans was I2,G and sometimes R1b and its inhabitants dolicocephalic.I'm not saying that all of albanians are outsiders,just most. Its obviouv they assimilated locals.

This has now turned into a beauty contest. Which ydna is the most handsome in the Balkans? I vote for I1.

[Bosniensis]

This has now turned into a beauty contest. Which ydna is the most handsome in the Balkans? I vote for I1.

I vote for mine, as soon as I find out which one it is.. those 23andme bastards are really slow.

Not only that.. I'll have to adapt all my theories and beliefs according to my ydna

[Kelmendasi]

Not true, Z2103 is very briefly present in Europe.
Ummmm yes it is true, you can go and check it out on the study about the Genomic history of southeastern Europe

[Kelmendasi]

I vote for mine, as soon as I find out which one it is.. those 23andme bastards are really slow.

Not only that.. I'll have to adapt all my theories and beliefs according to my ydna
Lol xD. You are probably gonna have to wait for a month or so

[Lollipop]

http://www.network54.com/Forum/63400/thread/1101849994/last-1103201809/Political+history+of+Vojvodina

[Vlatko Vukovic]

This has now turned into a beauty contest. Which ydna is the most handsome in the Balkans? I vote for I1.


I1 Germanic? Are you serious?

[Lollipop]

This has now turned into a beauty contest. Which ydna is the most handsome in the Balkans? I vote for I1.

Beauty is a feminine mark.Males are not beautiful,we are masculine.
The more beautiful a male is, the more feminine he is.

[Bosniensis]

Lol xD. You are probably gonna have to wait for a month or so

They received package 2 days ago in USA but it still says: "Waiting for delivery"..

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yep the Illyrians were non-Euros xD

Bashkirs with 70% of Z2103 are pure Illyrians. :thumb001:

Only branch of R1b wich probably was present among Illyrians was R1b-U152.

Armenians have 30% R1b-Z2103 (L23), Albanians and Armenians share Armenoid features, Armenoid influence is very commong among Analbanians.
Analbanians have the most armenoid influence in whole of Europe.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d2/95/6d/d2956de192a379b5eeddccf344356fd9.gif

[Albobalboa]

So Albanian is the only non-Greek language existing in the balkans that has links to paleo-balkan languages. And Albanians have vast majority Y-DNA that can be linked to people in the balkans in that period, and even further back.

What is this discussion about? Did Albanians change genetically since the ancient times?

If Kelmendasi's statement that I2a-Din wasn't prevalent in the balkans at that time is true, then really wtf is this discussion about?

Anyone know of an ongoing study that will be similar to the one with ancient Greeks where it could be compared ancient and modern, but with Albanians?

[khoomei]

Just wanted to post this graphic I spent a while doing a few days ago. Basically, the original R haplogroup evolved in Siberia, but its ancestors came from Southeast and South Asia. And modern consensus is that the R1a (Indo-Europeans) and R1b ("native" Europeans) haplogroups evolved and moved out of this area as well (after which some of R1a migrated into South Asia). The complexity comes with the minor haplogroup R2 which is found in highest concentrations in Northern India. I'm not entirely sure about its origin area.

[Bosniensis]

Beauty is a feminine mark.Males are not beautiful,we are masculine.
The more beautiful a male is, the more feminine he is.

People of my y-dna are well known for making the best looking girls.

Or it might be related to sexual techniques we are currently hiding from inferior people ... I won't point at anyone.

[Dick]

I1 Germanic? Are you serious?

I'm serious.

[Albobalboa]

Beauty is a feminine mark.Males are not beautiful,we are masculine.
The more beautiful a male is, the more feminine he is.

- Ugly guy that is trying to cope.

[Lollipop]

Just wanted to post this graphic I spent a while doing a few days ago. Basically, the original R haplogroup evolved in Siberia, but its ancestors came from Southeast and South Asia. And modern consensus is that the R1a (Indo-Europeans) and R1b ("native" Europeans) haplogroups evolved and moved out of this area as well (after which some of R1a migrated into South Asia). The complexity comes with the minor haplogroup R2 which is found in highest concentrations in Northern India. I'm not entirely sure about its origin area.

Make yourself like a shit, and slide back into Ganges, disgusting indian.The natives of India couldnt even invent fire before aryans came and "civilised" them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZQSf3xGJ0I

[Сербо Макеридов]

Analbanians mostly belongs to Armenoid race.

[Dick]

Just wanted to post this graphic I spent a while doing a few days ago. Basically, the original R haplogroup evolved in Siberia, but its ancestors came from Southeast and South Asia. And modern consensus is that the R1a (Indo-Europeans) and R1b ("native" Europeans) haplogroups evolved and moved out of this area as well (after which some of R1a migrated into South Asia). The complexity comes with the minor haplogroup R2 which is found in highest concentrations in Northern India. I'm not entirely sure about its origin area.

Hello, Ross.

[Albobalboa]

Analbanians mostly belongs to Armenoid race.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YplSjNygaOg/maxresdefault.jpg

Point where the Albanians hurt you

[Lollipop]

- Ugly guy that is trying to cope.

>old age "He is against X, so he must not have X" argument

did you evolve past kindergarten?

[Сербо Макеридов]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YplSjNygaOg/maxresdefault.jpg

Point where the Albanians hurt you

Typical ugly Armenoid Albanian.

https://www.teksteshqip.com/img_upz/cdcover_full/12306.jpg

[Albobalboa]

>old age "He is against X, so he must not have X" argument

did you evolve past kindergarten?

Your claim was that beauty was a "feminine mark", when it infact is a biological signal of health and beneficial physical traits. Masculine men are more traditionally beautiful. The fact that you're not beautiful is not because of your masculinity, it is because of your flawed upbringing.

Redpill down your throat lil bitch

[Albobalboa]

Typical ugly Armenoid Albanian.

https://www.teksteshqip.com/img_upz/cdcover_full/12306.jpg

He could carry a haplogroup that existed in ancient times in the balkans, and also speaks a language most likely developed out of a paleo-balkan language, so what does his looks matter. He's cool as fuck either way. From ancient era til now, that's solid.

Oh u mad bruh?

[Lollipop]

Your claim was that beauty was a "feminine mark", when it infact is a biological signal of health and beneficial physical traits. Masculine men are more traditionally beautiful. The fact that you're not beautiful is not because of your masculinity, it is because of your flawed upbringing.

Redpill down your throat lil bitch

Wrong.Thats what your mom told you cause you look like a little bitch.
Beauty is a feminine mark.In order for males to be beautiful, they must have feminine traits.There is no such thing as "traditional beautiful".
Beautiful boys will never be able to date anything more than 12-14 y/o girls, or gilfs with fetishes.


https://img.purch.com/w/660/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlc2NpZW5jZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMD AwLzAwOC82MjEvb3JpZ2luYWwvbWFzY3VsaW5lLWZhY2VzLTEw MDMxNi0wMi5qcGc=

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Nick_Neave/publication/5358594/figure/fig5/AS:267844051009538@1440870406241/Figure-5-Menstrual-cycle-alters-face-preference-While-women-tend-to-prefer-masculine.png

http://d2ck0sxsjau14o.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Facial-gender-by-PLoS-One-Creative-Commons.jpg

http://buism.com/attraction_files/image002.jpg

[Сербо Макеридов]

He could carry a haplogroup that existed in ancient times in the balkans, and also speaks a language most likely developed out of a paleo-balkan language, so what does his looks matter. He's cool as fuck either way. From ancient era til now, that's solid.

Oh u mad bruh?

He is probaby North African E1b, or Anatolian-Caucasian J2b2 and R1b-Z2103

It is small chance that he has Paleo-European I2a or Kurgan-Aryan R1a.

[Albobalboa]

Wrong.Thats what your mom told you cause you look like a little bitch.
Beauty is a feminine mark.In order for males to be beautiful, they must have feminine traits.There is no such thing as "traditional beautiful".
Beautiful boys will never be able to date anything more than 12-14 y/o girls, or gilfs with fetishes.


https://img.purch.com/w/660/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5saXZlc2NpZW5jZS5jb20vaW1hZ2VzL2kvMD AwLzAwOC82MjEvb3JpZ2luYWwvbWFzY3VsaW5lLWZhY2VzLTEw MDMxNi0wMi5qcGc=

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Nick_Neave/publication/5358594/figure/fig5/AS:267844051009538@1440870406241/Figure-5-Menstrual-cycle-alters-face-preference-While-women-tend-to-prefer-masculine.png

http://d2ck0sxsjau14o.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Facial-gender-by-PLoS-One-Creative-Commons.jpg

http://buism.com/attraction_files/image002.jpg

Holy mother of ugly-face-coping.

The masculine faces of the men would be regarded as more attractive by vast majority of women. Face it dude, you're ugly. It's not your masculinity that is the problem (lmao), or your size 46+ shoes (lmao), it's your face just screaming genetic disaster to anyone that looks at it.

Beautiful is what is attractive, and what is attractive is what displays signs of giving the most genetically successful offspring. If your hormones aren't in balance (genetic failure) you could be masculine and look like shit because you lack other parts. But generally for a male beautiful face, masculinity is a critical part. And this is beautiful in terms of attraction.

[Albobalboa]

He is probaby North African E1b, or Anatolian-Caucasian J2b2 and R1b-Z2103

It is small chance that he has Paleo-European I2a or Kurgan-Aryan R1a.

All end up in Africa if you go far back enough. What matters is those that were prevalent at time of forming an ethnogenesis. Those haplogroups were prevalent before any Albanian or proto-Albanian ethnogenesis. On the other hand the same can't be said for the Serboi, as your ethnonym tells a different story, your language tells a different story, and your genetics tell a different story. Why don't you speak Albanian if you were proud of having balkan genes? As Albanian is the only language linked to languages here as far back as written history can tell. Why have an ethnonym proven to be from Iranians when you have balkan genes?

Switch up, it's time to Albanize yourself lil nigga. Unless Kelemendasi was right and the I2a-Din wasn't prevalent in ancient era, in which case do as you wish.

[Lollipop]

Holy mother of ugly-face-coping.

The masculine faces of the men would be regarded as more attractive by vast majority of women. Face it dude, you're ugly. It's not your masculinity that is the problem (lmao), or your size 46+ shoes (lmao), it's your face just screaming genetic disaster to anyone that looks at it.

Beautiful is what is attractive, and what is attractive is what displays signs of giving the most genetically successful offspring. If your hormones aren't in balance (genetic failure) you could be masculine and look like shit because you lack other parts. But generally for a male beautiful face, masculinity is a critical part. And this is beautiful in terms of attraction.

Do you understand what I'm telling you or must I spell every word?
Males cannot be beautiful, like females can."Beauty" is a objective term.In your terms,in Females, attractive are those with feminine features and in males attractive are those with masculine features.If males were beautiful,in the same sense as females, than homosexuality would be normal.

>Beautiful is what is attractive, and what is attractive is what displays signs of giving the most genetically successful offspring.

Exactly.Non masculine males like you display signs of being genetic trash.

https://openi.nlm.nih.gov/imgs/512/288/3262824/PMC3262824_pone.0030399.g002.png

Pic related, you are the long term one, destined to be paypig for females.

https://face.dur.ac.uk/info/files/global//term.gif

[Albobalboa]

Do you understand what I'm telling you or must I spell every word?
Males cannot be beautiful, like females can."Beauty" is a objective term.In your terms,in Females, attractive are those with feminine features and in males attractive are those with masculine features.If males were beautiful,in the same sense as females, than homosexuality would be normal.

>Beautiful is what is attractive, and what is attractive is what displays signs of giving the most genetically successful offspring.

Exactly.Non masculine males like you display signs of being genetic trash.

https://openi.nlm.nih.gov/imgs/512/288/3262824/PMC3262824_pone.0030399.g002.png

Pic related, you are the long term one, destined to be paypig for females.

https://face.dur.ac.uk/info/files/global//term.gif

"pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically." - Beautiful

Physical attractiveness means something pleases the senses or the mind aesthetically, making it ATTRACTIVE. Are you retarded?

You even said it yourself but you're too dumb to realize it. You really are a dumb fuck.

Must I spell it in Romanian prior to the modernization?

Привлекательность - это то же самое, что красота

[Сербо Макеридов]

All end up in Africa if you go far back enough. What matters is those that were prevalent at time of forming an ethnogenesis. Those haplogroups were prevalent before any Albanian or proto-Albanian ethnogenesis. On the other hand the same can't be said for the Serboi, as your ethnonym tells a different story, your language tells a different story, and your genetics tell a different story. Why don't you speak Albanian if you were proud of having balkan genes? As Albanian is the only language linked to languages here as far back as written history can tell. Why have an ethnonym proven to be from Iranians when you have balkan genes?

Switch up, it's time to Albanize yourself lil nigga. Unless Kelemendasi was right and the I2a-Din wasn't prevalent in ancient era, in which case do as you wish.

Albanian language is not ancient in the Balkans.
How is posible that Albanian language is not romance and you claims that you are live in the Balkans during the Roman ocupation of Balkan and before that.

Why are you not romanized as Vlachs if your ancestors are really live in the Balkans during the Roman period??

[Albobalboa]

Albanian language is not ancient in the Balkans.
How is posible that Albanian language is not romance and you claims that you are live in the Balkans during the Roman ocupation of Balkan and before that.

Why you are not romanized as Vlachs if your ancestors are really live in the Balkans during the Roman period??

Because Vlachs, Romani, South Slavs, etc etc are all bitches who didn't retain anything from before the Romans, Ottomans and Slavs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language

"The Albanian language is part of the Indo-European language group and is considered to have evolved from one of the Paleo-Balkan languages of antiquity, although it is still uncertain which particular Paleo-Balkan language represents the ancestor of Albanian, or where in Southern Europe that population lived. In general there is insufficient evidence to connect Albanian with one of those languages, whether one of the Illyrian languages (of which historians mostly confirm), or Thracian and Dacian."

Blame yourself, and go buy an Albanian book to learn the language that is the only identity link between you and your actual biological ancestors if you are as balkan as you say you are.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Because Vlachs, Romani, South Slavs, etc etc are all bitches who didn't retain anything from before the Romans, Ottomans and Slavs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language

Blame yourself, and go buy an Albanian book to learn the language that is the only identity link between you and your actual biological ancestors if you are as balkan as you say you are.

You are not answered to my question, how is posible that your ancestors are not romanized if they live 500+ years in Roman Empire?

Vetëm mendoni logjikisht.

[Albobalboa]

You are not answered to my question, how is posible that your ancestors are not romanized if they live 500+ years in Roman Empire?

Vetëm mendoni logjikisht.

http://i.imgur.com/34gUbZD.gif

That's that tribal identity. #GANG

[itilvolga]

Her origin is from Montenegro, Bratonožići tribe from Montenegro belongs to Q haplogroup, but still that look is very rare in the Balkans.

http://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201424854&width=300&height=450&stretch=uniformtofill

and what about Sasa Starovic? Don't get me wrong, i am just curious about is that look also very rare or not :scratch::scratch:

[Lollipop]

"pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically." - Beautiful

Physical attractiveness means something pleases the senses or the mind aesthetically, making it ATTRACTIVE. Are you retarded?

You even said it yourself but you're too dumb to realize it. You really are a dumb fuck.

Must I spell it in Romanian prior to the modernization?

Привлекательность - это то же самое, что красота

You will never see males getting called beautiful, unless they are really young or really feminine.Its the same as saying that males have tits, instead of saying nipples.Only your mother or old men call males beautiful.
Good thing for you that you told me this before hand, so I could redpill you.

[Сербо Макеридов]

http://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201424854&width=300&height=450&stretch=uniformtofill

and what about Sasa Starovic? Don't get me wrong, i am just curious about is that look also very rare or not :scratch::scratch:

People with Turanid or Mongoloid influence in Serbia are very rare.
For example in real life on the streets in Serbia it is almost impossible to see somebody someone with Asian influence.
Turanids is Serbia are probably less than 1%.

[Jana]

Funny thing how confirmed Yamnaya (Aryan) R1b-L23 is called ''armenoi'' here just because it is high in Albanians, Greeks and Armenians.

It was found in Pontic steppe, in genetically hyper-Northern European population guys like Serbo or Lolipop have a hard on :laugh:

Amount of lies posted here would make average Gypsy embarassed,


In the reality Serbs are genetically closest Southern Slavs to Albanians after Bulgarians and have stronger Paleo-Balkan influence than Bosniaks, Croats or Slovenians due to assimilation of various peoples during Dusan's Empire.


I guess mytomania became national sport among young Serbs, due to serious national frustrations- they lost four wars in 1990's and are only European country ever bombed by NATO.

LOOL

It's understandable, from dreams about mighty Great Serbian Empire to brutal reality of small country with agressive muslim minority, in the waiting doors of EU and refusing to acknowledge total deafat of Chetnik ideas.

Well deserved orthodox ''brothers'' :D :D :D

[Lollipop]

Funny thing how confirmed Yamnaya (Aryan) R1b-L23 is called ''armenoi'' here just because it is high in Albanians, Greeks and Aermanians.

It was found in Pontic steppe, in genetically hyper-Northern European population guys like Serbo or Lolipop have a hard on :laugh:

Amound of lies posted here would make average Gypsy embarassed,


In the Reality Serbs are genetically closest Southern Slavs to Albanians after Bulgarians and have stronger Paleo-Balkan influence than Bosniaks, Croats or Slovenians due to assimilation of various peoples during Dusan's Empire.


I guess mytomania became national sport among young Serbs, dur to serious national frustrations- they lost four wars in 1990's as are only European country ever bombed by NATO.

LOOL

It's understandable, from dreams about m ighty Great Serbian Empire to brutal reality of small country with agressive muslim minority, in the waiting doors of EU and refusing to acknowledge total deafat of Chetnik ideas.

Well deserved orthodox ''bothers'' :D :D :D

There is no R1b-L23 in the territories that had aryan presence.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Funny thing how confirmed Yamnaya (Aryan) R1b-L23 is called ''armenoi'' here just because it is high in Albanians, Greeks and Armenians.

It was found in Pontic steppe, in genetically hyper-Northern European population guys like Serbo or Lolipop have a hard on :laugh:

Amount of lies posted here would make average Gypsy embarassed,


In the reality Serbs are genetically closest Southern Slavs to Albanians after Bulgarians and have stronger Paleo-Balkan influence than Bosniaks, Croats or Slovenians due to assimilation of various peoples during Dusan's Empire.


I guess mytomania became national sport among young Serbs, due to serious national frustrations- they lost four wars in 1990's and are only European country ever bombed by NATO.

LOOL

It's understandable, from dreams about mighty Great Serbian Empire to brutal reality of small country with agressive muslim minority, in the waiting doors of EU and refusing to acknowledge total deafat of Chetnik ideas.

Well deserved orthodox ''brothers'' :D :D :D

R1b-L23 Arya, are you insane?

People usyally think that R1a is Aryan haplogroup, it not all R1a Aryan, Aryan marker is only R1a-Z93.

[Сербо Макеридов]

@ Stearsolina

We are haters of west, we especially hate pedophile Vatican, which is the greatest evil in history. :biggrin:

[Jana]

@ Stearsolina

We are haters of west, we especially hate pedophile Vatican, which is the greatest evil in history. :biggrin:

Than stop whoring yourself to be accepted into evil EU, rather join Eurasian Union. Thanks.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Than stop whoring yourself to be accepted into evil EU, rather join Eurasian Union. Thanks.

Marority of Serbs do not want that Serbia join to EU, but our government is pro-western puppets.

Aleksandar Vučić is Analbanian bastard and probably gay.

[Laberia]

Marority of Serbs do not want that Serbia join to EU, but our government is pro-western puppets.

Aleksandar Vučić is Analbanian bastard and probably gay.
There is something very simple that the brain of an average serv can not understand. Let me help you. If you don't agree with your government and your President, don't vote for them. If the majority of servs don't want to join the EU, vote for the political alternative that is against the EU. If you still don't understand this simple concept, you can ask me again.

[Porn Master]

http://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201424854&width=300&height=450&stretch=uniformtofill

and what about Sasa Starovic? Don't get me wrong, i am just curious about is that look also very rare or not :scratch::scratch:





http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36000000/milan-stankovic-aysell-and-alexandra_-36016680-434-617.jpg

[Сербо Макеридов]

There is something very simple that the brain of an average serv can not understand. Let me help you. If you don't agree with your government and your President, don't vote for them. If the majority of servs don't want to join the EU, vote for the political alternative that is against the EU. If you still don't understand this simple concept, you can ask me again.

All political patries in Serbia are pro-western and under control of western powers.
Here in Serbia all elections are rigged.
Only chance for us to change regime and geopolitical orientation of Serbia is revolution.

We do not want satanic EU and, we do not want destruction of family values, neo-liberal capitalism, rule of LGBT lobby and the spread of their disease, sale of land and natural resources to the foreigners, we also do not want migrants in our territory.

[Сербо Макеридов]

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36000000/milan-stankovic-aysell-and-alexandra_-36016680-434-617.jpg

Average Finno-Ugric/Uralic look.

[Porn Master]

We do not want satanic EU and, we do not want destruction of family values, neo-liberal capitalism, rule of LGBT lobby and the spread of their disease, sale of land and natural resources to the foreigners, we also do not want migrants in our territory.






http://static2.uk.businessinsider.com/image/54e708a282e985ef0dbab781-1061-796/kim-jong-un-haircut-1.jpg

[Lek]

No man, big foots are for strangers like you cause strangers from north were threading in deep snow. People like you needed big foots not to get drowned in snow.

Im 190-191 and my shoesize is like 46

[Porn Master]

Average Finno-Ugric/Uralic look.





better than ISIS followers balkanogypsies



http://cetnici.rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vojvoda-slavko-300x225.jpg

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Than stop whoring yourself to be accepted into evil EU, rather join Eurasian Union. Thanks.

Euroasian? Dont forget that Spain was occupated by Arabs 700+ years Ummeyad Caliphate. Also, central Europe have a lot of Hunnic (Hungarian genetics). Westerners are not "pure" European. That is fact. If East are Euroasian then West is too.

[Сербо Макеридов]

better than ISIS followers balkanogypsies



http://cetnici.rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vojvoda-slavko-300x225.jpg

Albanians are only nation in the Balkans which support ISIS.

Serbs are not Muslims you imbecile.

[Сербо Макеридов]

@ Ded Masai

Albanians are only nation in the Balkans which support ISIS.

Serbs are not Muslims you imbecile.

Kim Jong-un is my idol. :victory0:

[Porn Master]

@ Ded Masai

Albanians are only nation in the Balkans which support ISIS.

Serbs are not Muslims you imbecile.

Kim Jong-un is my idol. :victory0:




i don't see the difference between you fanatic bearded MENA orthodox followers and muslims you ugly unibrowed piece of gypsy shit xD

btw, why balkan is full of gypsies? xd

[Leto]

i don't see the difference between you fanatic bearded MENA orthodox followers and muslims you ugly unibrowed piece of gypsy shit xD

btw, why balkan is full of gypsies? xd
Why are you so obsessed with Serbs? Generally, Serbs are friends of Russians. But hey, you're not even Russian.

[Porn Master]

Why are you so obsessed with Serbs? Generally, Serbs are friends of Russians. But hey, you're not even Russian.




а ты че лезешь не пойму? I'm not even russian and don't give a fuck. Love serbs go to serbia

[Leto]

а ты че лезешь не пойму? I'm not even russian and don't give a fuck. Love serbs go to serbia
Хочу и лезу. Я русский и моя внешность - европейская, а вот насчёт тебя неуверен. Не позорь мою страну, блядь, окей? Если ты нерусский и неправославный, то ты не представляешь большинство населения. Я уважаю сербов, они мне ничего плохого не сделали, они христиане и европейцы, а не долбанные мусличурки.

[Leto]

@ Ded Masai

Albanians are only nation in the Balkans which support ISIS.

Serbs are not Muslims you imbecile.

Kim Jong-un is my idol. :victory0:
He's a fucking asshole who is not an ethnic Russian. I don't have anything against his ethnicity, but he's trying to stir up hate between Serbs and Russians. Don't buy that shit. He's the least European person racially on this thread, 'cause Maris are like 25-30% Siberian/Asian.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I am gay, and I like to suck big black dick!

:thumb001:

[Porn Master]

Хочу и лезу. Я русский и моя внешность - европейская, а вот насчёт тебя неуверен. Не позорь мою страну, блядь, окей? Если ты нерусский и неправославный, то ты не представляешь большинство населения. Я уважаю сербов, они мне ничего плохого не сделали, они христиане и европейцы, а не долбанные мусличурки.



да иди ты нахуй, окей? Мне пох на муслимов, на сербов, на албанцев, на цыган, на христосов, на турков и на тебя тоже. Мудила ты ебучая. Ты никто, ты ебанный шовинист, который сидит блядь днями и ночами дрочит на форуме о своем расовом превосходстве. Ебанный ты хуй, у тебя ЧВС зашкаливает. Россия не тебе принадлежит, чмо ты ебанное блядь, сиди в своей беларуси и соси сисю дальше. Уважай и люби дальше своих ебучих чурок сербов, похожие на кавказцев, иберийцев, арабов и прочего чуркестана, хуепутало ты блять. Иди вылезни им анус глубоко и нежно, своим чучмекским братушкам, они тебя отблагодарят как следует

[Porn Master]

I am a balkangypsy ottoman goatfucker who sucks Russian dicks



:thumb001:

[Stears]

better than ISIS followers balkanogypsies



http://cetnici.rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vojvoda-slavko-300x225.jpg

looks like Arab ISIS leader

[Stears]

Vojvodina always was Serbian land, until Hungarian Turkic Asiatic inavasion.
1918 Vojvodina has returned where it belongs.


https://youtu.be/fGKEFoYmQTE

Fortunately even the Serbian academic historians deny this fantasy.

[Lollipop]

Fortunately even the Serbian academic historians deny this fantasy.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/607/275/385.jpg

[Сербо Макеридов]

looks like Arab ISIS leader

In Serbian army was some Gypsy volunteers, so what.

[Era]

In Serbian army was some Gypsy volunteers, so what.

He doesnt look gypsy, just a dark serb :picard2:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Fortunately even the Serbian academic historians deny this fantasy.

Vojvodina was full of Slavic people before Ugric invasion.

[Сербо Макеридов]

He doesnt look gypsy, just a dark serb :picard2:

What are you know about Serbs?

[Lollipop]

He doesnt look gypsy, just a dark serb :picard2:

Agree, but he does not pass in Serbia, but Croatia maybe.if that guy was clean shaven and got a new haircut Feichy would argue what a good example of dalmatian he is.Didn't she a few days ago argue that dinaroids are her favorite?!Staers better watch out for the competition.

[MercifulServant]

Lol, what a bunch of crap.
We have many Schyntian genomes and some were almost Eurasians while others are more Eastern European. Yamnaya were swarthy people, don't care if it suits your ideas or not, their SNPs for pigmentation were tested. There were nordics, east baltids, pontids and Eurasians among PIE people.

And yes, I look mainly nordic, not like those round-headed steppe folk.

Youre not Nordid youre North Pontid

[Leto]

да иди ты нахуй, окей? Мне пох на муслимов, на сербов, на албанцев, на цыган, на христосов, на турков и на тебя тоже. Мудила ты ебучая. Ты никто, ты ебанный шовинист, который сидит блядь днями и ночами дрочит на форуме о своем расовом превосходстве. Ебанный ты хуй, у тебя ЧВС зашкаливает. Россия не тебе принадлежит, чмо ты ебанное блядь, сиди в своей беларуси и соси сисю дальше. Уважай и люби дальше своих ебучих чурок сербов, похожие на кавказцев, иберийцев, арабов и прочего чуркестана, хуепутало ты блять. Иди вылезни им анус глубоко и нежно, своим чучмекским братушкам, они тебя отблагодарят как следует
Ахаха, ну и бомбануло у тебя. Что ты знаешь о расах, деревенщина ты тупая? Мари Эл Европой-то не считается. Мои предки сексуально доминировали вами и русифицировавали вас. Твой президент хуйло и твои соотечественники - чечены. Ты неевропеец и небелый, понял? Это европейское культурное сообщество. Not a Cop, silentkiller, SSlava - русские, ты - нет. Ты просто быдло и тролль. Так что пошёл нахуй, пидорас.

[Dick]

Agree, but he does not pass in Serbia, but Croatia maybe.if that guy was clean shaven and got a new haircut Feichy would argue what a good example of dalmatian he is.Didn't she a few days ago argue that dinaroids are her favorite?!Staers better watch out for the competition.

She dreams of robust CM+ Dinarid I-man.

[Porn Master]

Ахаха, ну и бомбануло у тебя. Что ты знаешь о расах, деревенщина ты тупая? Мари Эл Европой-то не считается. Мои предки сексуально доминировали вами и русифицировавали вас. Твой президент хуйло и твои соотечественники - чечены. Ты неевропеец и небелый, понял? Это европейское культурное сообщество. Not a Cop, silentkiller, SSlava - русские, ты - нет. Ты просто быдло и тролль. Так что пошёл нахуй, пидорас.




твои европейцы стали педерастами давным давно xD чурки, хачи, негры, азиаты, арабы и прочие ебут ваших европейских жен в ваших же постелях, а вы маминкины сынки ссыте при первого же встречного чуркомана xD твой пердак скорее всего невыдержав от такого всплеска эмоций лопнул что аж завоняло, европеец блять xD ты в Европе для них быдло ровно как и все восточноевропейцы, заруби это себе на носу. Европеец xD Ты такая же деревенщина как и я, или ты выбрался из грязи в князи?? Not a Cop и прочих ты оставь, не впутывай их сюда. Тупое ты быдло. Чечены причем? Они никто. Нашего президента ты оставь, мудак ты ебанный, иди приезжай, посмотрим

[MercifulServant]

Lol, what a bunch of crap.
We have many Schyntian genomes and some were almost Eurasians while others are more Eastern European. Yamnaya were swarthy people, don't care if it suits your ideas or not, their SNPs for pigmentation were tested. There were nordics, east baltids, pontids and Eurasians among PIE people.

And yes, I look mainly nordic, not like those round-headed steppe folk.

This is the Nordic Pure Aryan Race

66486

[Porn Master]

Ахаха, ну и бомбануло у тебя. Что ты знаешь о расах, деревенщина ты тупая? Мари Эл Европой-то не считается. Мои предки сексуально доминировали вами и русифицировавали вас. Твой президент хуйло и твои соотечественники - чечены. Ты неевропеец и небелый, понял? Это европейское культурное сообщество. Not a Cop, silentkiller, SSlava - русские, ты - нет. Ты просто быдло и тролль. Так что пошёл нахуй, пидорас.



твоих предков татаро-монголы ебали 300 лет если не больше xD в таком случае, сиди там тихо и не воняй, европеец xD

[Leto]

твои европейцы стали педерастами давным давно xD чурки, хачи, негры, азиаты, арабы и прочие ебут ваших европейских жен в ваших же постелях, а вы маминкины сынки ссыте при первого же встречного чуркомана xD твой пердак скорее всего невыдержав от такого всплеска эмоций лопнул что аж завоняло, европеец блять xD ты в Европе для них быдло ровно как и все восточноевропейцы, заруби это себе на носу. Европеец xD Ты такая же деревенщина как и я, или ты выбрался из грязи в князи?? Not a Cop и прочих ты оставь, не впутывай их сюда. Тупое ты быдло. Чечены причем? Они никто. Нашего президента ты оставь, мудак ты ебанный, иди приезжай, посмотрим
Окей, я я не хочу тут говном кидаться, так как ты явно неадекват и матерщинник. Я тебя лично не оскорблял сначала, просто выразился своё непонимание и недовольство. Если ты не видишь разницы между иберийцами (Югозападная Европа) и арабами, то о чём с тобой можно говорить? Европейцы и белые - это не только британцы и немцы, да будет тебе известно. И сербы выглядят как нормальные юговосточные европейцы. С фига ты их троллишь? Что они тебе сделали? Они всегда твою страну поддерживали, в отличии от многих других.
https://www.007soccerpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Serbia.jpg?x55666

Лучше игнорируй меня, в таком случае. И я не буду на тебя обращать внимание.

[Porn Master]

Окей, я я не хочу тут говном кидаться, так как ты явно неадекват и матерщинник. Я тебя лично не оскорблял сначала, просто выразился своё непонимание и недовольство. Если ты не видишь разницы между иберийцами (Югозападная Европа) и арабами, то о чём с тобой можно говорить? Европейцы и белые - это не только британцы и немцы, да будет тебе известно. И сербы выглядят как нормальные юговосточные европейцы. С фига ты их троллишь? Что они тебе сделали? Они всегда твою страну поддерживали, в отличии от многих других.
https://www.007soccerpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Serbia.jpg?x55666

Лучше игнорируй меня, в таком случае. И я не буду на тебя обращать внимание.




ладно ладно я пошутил xD

[Leto]

ладно ладно я пошутил xD
И ты извини, если тебе показалось, что я наехал. Я отлично отношусь к финноуграм, у меня мать из Вятки, финник-славик микс. Расовые выпады с моей стороны были скорее троллингом.

[Сербо Макеридов]

@ Ded Masai

Maris are Russian slaves for 600 years.

[Porn Master]

@ Ded Masai

Maris are Russian slaves for 600 years.





Russians are Finno-Ugric and Serbs are gypsoturk kebabs. Got it? xD

[Porn Master]

И ты извини, если тебе показалось, что я наехал. Я отлично отношусь к финноуграм, у меня мать из Вятки, финник-славик микс. Расовые выпады с моей стороны были скорее троллингом.




да нече, замяли. Просто ужасно бесят тупорылость балканцев, если один их неадекват перешел все границы то меня просто не остановить

[Сербо Макеридов]

Russians are Finno-Ugric and Serbs are gypsoturk kebabs. Got it? xD

Shut up semi-Mongoloid scum, you are 30% Mongoloid sperm in autosomal DNA.

[Porn Master]

Shut up semi-Mongoloid scum, you are 30% Mongoloid sperm in autosomal DNA.




since now I'll call you Gypsoturk Kebabovich xD

[Сербо Макеридов]

since now I'll call you Gypsoturk Kebabovich xD

No, Serbs are 99-100% Europeans at autosomal DNA.

[Porn Master]

No, Serbs are 99-100% Europeans at autosomal DNA.



Not true, Gypsoturk Kebabovich. Serbs look brown like turks, albanians and greeks why so OWD bro?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Not true, Gypsoturk Kebabovich. Serbs look brown like turks, albanians and greeks why so OWD bro?

This Serb is 100 times whiter much whiter than you semi-Mongoloid fagot.


https://youtu.be/cPRqNAD1zEQ

[Porn Master]

This Serb is 100 times whiter much whiter than you semi-Mongoloid fagot.


https://youtu.be/cPRqNAD1zEQ





this serb is white because of german invaders who raped you, dear Gypsoturk Kebabovich

[Сербо Макеридов]

this serb is white because of german invaders who raped you, dear Gypsoturk Kebabovich

https://youtu.be/9AiCgiRDo8o?t=3m19s

Is this your grand-grandfather?

[Porn Master]

https://youtu.be/9AiCgiRDo8o?t=3m19s

Is this your grand-grandfather?



fuck knows





but this is your papa



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-re0HMkldY

[Lavrentis]

Not true, Gypsoturk Kebabovich. Serbs look brown like turks, albanians and greeks why so OWD bro?

Serbs don't look like Greeks at all.

[Rethel]

Ахаха, ну и бомбануло у тебя. Что ты знаешь о расах, деревенщина ты тупая? Мари Эл Европой-то не считается. Мои предки сексуально доминировали вами и русифицировавали вас. Твой президент хуйло и твои соотечественники - чечены. Ты неевропеец и небелый, понял? Это европейское культурное сообщество. Not a Cop, silentkiller, SSlava - русские, ты - нет. Ты просто быдло и тролль. Так что пошёл нахуй, пидорас.

And you just showed how you wonderfully fit here also to this cultural euro-community... :picard2:

And I do not support his post also, actually I reported it,
becasue he crossed all borders, but you shouldn't be on
his level if you think, you are better. You just showed,
that you are not - actually the same.

[Сербо Макеридов]

61% of Mari people have Asiatic-Mongoloid haplogroup N1c.

https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/chapter-3-figure4.jpg

[Porn Master]

More than 50% of Mari people have Asiatic-Mongoloid haplogroup N1c.

https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/chapter-3-figure4.jpg





what then? xD I'm proud of it TBH

[Сербо Макеридов]

what then? xD I'm proud of it TBH

You are a troll, go away and suck Russian dick! :crazy:

[MercifulServant]

what then? xD I'm proud of it TBH

Don't call us brown were not that's only a small minority and most of those are Gypsies and Vlahs. Most people that are from the Balkans are a mix of Eastern European and Native Balkan

[Porn Master]

You are a troll, go away and suck Russian dick! :crazy:




Not true, dear Gypsoturk Kebabovich. You're troll, not me. You trolled me the whole time and I had to defend myself from a gypsoturk xd

[Dema]

61% of Mari people have Asiatic-Mongoloid haplogroup N1c.

https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/chapter-3-figure4.jpg

And a lot of Serbs..

http://dnk.poreklo.rs/tabela-pojedinacne-grupe/?grp-filter=N

[Сербо Макеридов]

Not true, dear Gypsoturk Kebabovich. You're troll, not me. You trolled me the whole time and I had to defend myself from a gypsoturk xd

You are first trolling at discussion between Yugos and Albanians, nobody invited you.

[Leto]

And you just showed how you wonderfully fit here also to this cultural euro-community... :picard2:

And I do not support his post also, actually I reported it,
becasue he crossed all borders, but you shouldn't be on
his level if you think, you are better. You just showed,
that you are not - actually the same.
Иди в жопу, я тебя точно не спрашивал. Я не жаловался на его посты, хотя они в мой адрес были обращены. Мы всё уже уладили. То, что ты каким-то чудом знаешь мой язык, не означает, что я на нём пишу для иностранцев.

[Lavrentis]

61% of Mari people have Asiatic-Mongoloid haplogroup N1c.

https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/chapter-3-figure4.jpg

Is Hungary that little lake in Central Europe which is lacking this admixture?

[Rethel]

Иди в жопу

Another example, how Sovites fit to european cultural obszcziny... as you said...
Even if someone supported such one, or is saying how culture should looks.

If you do not care that someone behave like cattle, if yu yourself behave like cattle,
then at least do not call someone cattle and do not claim, that you fit to cultural
community or europe, and another don't. It is hypocrisy at least (even worse).

[Stears]

Vojvodina was full of Slavic people before Ugric invasion.

Hahaha, they had nothing common with the direct ancestors of Serbs( rascians sorbs ). They were pannon slavs.

[Lollipop]

Hahaha, they had nothing common with the direct ancestors of Serbs( rascians sorbs ). They were pannon slavs.

In 567 AD Mention of Serbs who live among other Slavs in Northern Banat (near river Moris).Serbs aren't just descendent of rascian sorbs.But why not tell the story on how before arriving in Balkans, serbs settled in Pannonia?!

[Vlatko Vukovic]

since now I'll call you Gypsoturk Kebabovich xD

Russians are not Finno-Ugric at all. Maybe you proud of your Asian genetics, but dont speak in the name of Russians.

[Porn Master]

Russians are not Finno-Ugric at all. Maybe you proud of your Asian genetics, but dont speak in the name of Russians.




you don't know shit about me so i will speak in the name of russians whenever i want, gypo boy

[Vlatko Vukovic]

you don't know shit about me so i will speak in the name of russians whenever i want, gypo boy

Gypo boy? You insult me, but i am pure European. Unlike you Asiatic mongol scum. :)

[Porn Master]

Gypo boy? You insult me, but i am pure European. Unlike you Asiatic mongol scum. :)




people here would prefer to be a mongol scum than a stinky brown gypo like you xD

[Vlatko Vukovic]

people here would prefer to be a mongol scum than a stinky brown gypo like you xD

I am white :D Clearly European looking. Fucking Mongol :D

[Porn Master]

I am white :D Clearly European looking. Fucking Mongol :D




Not true. You're a brown gypsy, an average balkannigger

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Not true. You're a brown gypsy, an average balkannigger

I posted my photo in this thread... Nobody said i look gypsy :D But you cant post your becouse you are Ugro-Finnic (Mongolic) monkey

[Porn Master]

I posted my photo in this thread... Nobody said i look gypsy :D But you cant post your becouse you are Ugro-Finnic (Mongolic) monkey




I don't post my pics in public, the many users here have seen my face already on PM :thumb001: but I don't believe you. Your behavior is so gypsokebab mix xd

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I don't post my pics in public, the many users here have seen my face already on PM :thumb001: but I don't believe you. Your behavior is so gypsokebab mix xd

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217812-R1a-haplogroup/page26

I posted here. ;)

[Porn Master]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217812-R1a-haplogroup/page26

I posted here. ;)




your serb ancestors weren't serbs but germans xd

[Vlatko Vukovic]

your serb ancestors weren't serbs but germans xd

Why you think it? A lot of people from my country looks like me. It's average South Slavic looking.
Different thing is that we have bad mentality...

[Pahli]

You both look European, but Ded Mazai is more indigenous European genetically and also looks North East European; He doesn't look like some stereotypical Tatar Churka monkey.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You both look European, but Ded Mazai is more indigenous European genetically and also looks North East European; He doesn't look like some stereotypical Tatar Churka monkey.

That is what you are thinking. But remember one thing. North-East people have blond hair mainly. But blond hair doesn't mean "more European". It is just from climate.

[Pahli]

That is what you are thinking. But remember one thing. North-East people have blond hair mainly. But blond hair doesn't mean "more European". It is just from climate.

Not blond hair, his facial features too and also genetics; Blondism doesn't mean shit. He can still be brown haired, brown eyed and would still be more indigenous European. Blondism and coloured eyes are still more present among Northerners.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Not blond hair, his facial features too and also genetics; Blondism doesn't mean shit. He can still be brown haired, brown eyed and would still be more indigenous European. Blondism and coloured eyes are still more present among Northerners.

I know, but a lot of people looking for more blond, more European. According to this, Greeks are minimum European, but that is bullshit.

[LecomtsevAlexander]

Funny thing how confirmed Yamnaya (Aryan) R1b-L23 is called ''armenoi'' here just because it is high in Albanians, Greeks and Armenians.

It was found in Pontic steppe, in genetically hyper-Northern European population guys like Serbo or Lolipop have a hard on :laugh:

Amount of lies posted here would make average Gypsy embarassed,


In the reality Serbs are genetically closest Southern Slavs to Albanians after Bulgarians and have stronger Paleo-Balkan influence than Bosniaks, Croats or Slovenians due to assimilation of various peoples during Dusan's Empire.


I guess mytomania became national sport among young Serbs, due to serious national frustrations- they lost four wars in 1990's and are only European country ever bombed by NATO.

LOOL

It's understandable, from dreams about mighty Great Serbian Empire to brutal reality of small country with agressive muslim minority, in the waiting doors of EU and refusing to acknowledge total deafat of Chetnik ideas.

Well deserved orthodox ''brothers'' :D :D :D

I do not understand who you call (niazivaesh) Aryans ?

[Babak]

Theres no such thing as "Nordic aryan"

[Hamlet]

Forget R1a - R1a1a1 is what matters. Oldest samples are around the Pontic-Caspian Steppe.

[Fractal]

Forget R1a - R1a1a1 is what matters. Oldest samples are around the Pontic-Caspian Steppe.

The oldest samples of R1a-Z93 are found in India, if I'm not mistaken. Or some of the oldest in any case ut what makes you think I care?

I don't want anything to do with Russians, Poles, Serbs, Iranians, Afghans, etc....anymore than you do with Muslims or whoever you want to feel disconnected to.

[Hamlet]

The oldest samples of R1a-Z93 are found in India, if I'm not mistaken. Or some of the oldest in any case ut what makes you think I care?

I don't want anything to do with Russians, Poles, Serbs, Iranians, Afghans, etc....anymore than you do with Muslims or whoever you want to feel disconnected to.

Dude just accept the Indo-Iranian theory, it's so obvious aha, please...

[Kelmendasi]

The oldest samples of R1a-Z93 are found in India, if I'm not mistaken. Or some of the oldest in any case ut what makes you think I care?

I don't want anything to do with Russians, Poles, Serbs, Iranians, Afghans, etc....anymore than you do with Muslims or whoever you want to feel disconnected to.
The oldest was actually found in Russia and so was it's father clade

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The oldest was actually found in Russia and so was it's father clade

which one?

[Kelmendasi]

which one?
R1a-Z93

[Leto]

I wonder which subclades of R1a Volga Tatars, Chuvash and Mordvins have. The same as Belorussians and Ukrainians have or not?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I wonder which subclades of R1a Volga Tatars, Chuvash and Mordvins have. The same as Belorussians and Ukrainians have or not?

We don't have members here of this nationalities. Are there any results of them on the internet?

[Leto]

We don't have members here of this nationalities. Are there any results of them on the internet?
I don't have their Y-DNA results. But I've found a study in Russian that says most belong to the European (Z282) subclade, except for Bashkirs.

[Danaan]

I wonder which subclades of R1a Volga Tatars, Chuvash and Mordvins have. The same as Belorussians and Ukrainians have or not?

Chuvashes have only M558 and Z282.

Tatars of Tartarstan have high diversity of R1a. They have M558, Z2125, Z282, M458, Z93 and Z95 (in that order)

M558 is common (above 10%) in all those groups but low in some West Slavs like the Czechs. (And here in 'mainland' Greece around 7% of people have it which is fairly high and that percentage is comparable to some South Slavic groups like Serbians and Bulgarians)