2 Thessalian Greeks on GEDmatch.. closer to Bulgarian than to Italians of any kind

[Sikeliot]

Unlike the Cretan, other islanders, and Maniots who are identical or close to some Italians, you can see these are closer to Bulgarians. Not even to Tuscans.

#1:


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.7
2 North_European 29.22
3 Atlantic_Med 24.89
4 Southwest_Asian 8.01
5 Gedrosia 5.58
6 Northwest_African 1.71
7 Siberian 0.46
8 South_Asian 0.3
9 Southeast_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.98
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.02
3 Romanians (Behar) 7.32
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.68
5 Greek (Dodecad) 11.52
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.68
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.63
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.89
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.31
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.82
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.15
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.22
13 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.24
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.13
15 Hungarians (Behar) 21.98
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 24.17
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.86
18 German (Dodecad) 26.68
19 Turkish (Dodecad) 27.16
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 27.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58% Hungarians (Behar) + 42% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.82
2 68.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.95
3 68.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.98
4 67% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.11
5 65.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.18
6 82.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 17.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.18
7 78.7% Romanians (Behar) + 21.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.22
8 77.5% Romanians (Behar) + 22.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.23
9 68.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.23
10 71.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.26
11 73.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.29
12 68.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.43
13 68.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.44
14 76.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.5
15 81.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 18.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.51
16 77% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.59
17 55.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 44.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.6
18 72.5% Romanians (Behar) + 27.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.6
19 68.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.61
20 67.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.63


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.08
2 Baltic 16.76
3 West_Med 13.33
4 West_Asian 13.25
5 Atlantic 12.49
6 North_Sea 11.85
7 Eastern_Euro 6.76
8 Red_Sea 3.55
9 South_Asian 0.97
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Amerindian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.32
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.79
3 Greek 7.38
4 Romanian 7.67
5 Central_Greek 11.61
6 Ashkenazi 11.79
7 Serbian 12.05
8 Italian_Abruzzo 12.31
9 East_Sicilian 12.71
10 Tuscan 13.54
11 West_Sicilian 14.4
12 South_Italian 15.03
13 Moldavian 15.41
14 North_Italian 16.94
15 Croatian 17.56
16 Hungarian 18.37
17 Austrian 18.62
18 Italian_Jewish 19.34
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.81
20 Algerian_Jewish 20.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.4% Central_Greek + 26.6% Lithuanian @ 2.74
2 87.7% Bulgarian + 12.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.98
3 87.7% Bulgarian + 12.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 3
4 87.4% Bulgarian + 12.6% Samaritan @ 3.05
5 88% Bulgarian + 12% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.05
6 67.9% South_Italian + 32.1% Lithuanian @ 3.08
7 86% Bulgarian + 14% Syrian @ 3.09
8 88% Bulgarian + 12% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.1
9 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.13
10 87.3% Bulgarian + 12.7% Assyrian @ 3.17
11 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Cyprian @ 3.27
12 88% Bulgarian + 12% Palestinian @ 3.31
13 87.6% Bulgarian + 12.4% Jordanian @ 3.34
14 63.6% South_Italian + 36.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.36
15 69.7% Central_Greek + 30.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.45
16 71.7% Central_Greek + 28.3% Belorussian @ 3.48
17 88.3% Bulgarian + 11.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.49
18 58.4% Croatian + 41.6% Cyprian @ 3.53
19 88.6% Bulgarian + 11.4% Bedouin @ 3.57
20 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.59


MDLP:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.76
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.04
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.78
4 Near_East 6.28
5 North_African 3.78
6 South_Central_Asian 3.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.79
8 South_Indian 1.70


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gagauz_ @ 5.355055
2 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.786290
3 Bulgarian_ @ 6.046178
4 Romanian_ @ 6.542105
5 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 7.159259
6 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.301517
7 Macedonian_ @ 7.367906
8 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.628107
9 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.037471
10 Kosovar_ @ 8.178453
11 Central_Greek_ @ 9.347348
12 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.710055
13 Montenegrian_ @ 9.903119
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 11.037085
15 Greek_ @ 11.068690
16 Serb_Serbia_ @ 12.265291
17 Italian_North_ @ 12.404427
18 Greek_Athens_ @ 12.715817
19 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.738563
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 13.597683

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian_Jew_ +50% Serb_BH_ @ 2.196965




#2:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.44
2 North_European 26.82
3 Atlantic_Med 25.59
4 Southwest_Asian 10.94
5 Gedrosia 3.76
6 Siberian 0.79
7 Northwest_African 0.43
8 South_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 8.42
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.78
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.23
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.93
5 Romanians (Behar) 10.21
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.77
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.22
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.78
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.79
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 14.97
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.35
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.45
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.54
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.94
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.29
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.3
17 Hungarians (Behar) 25.14
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.56
19 Cypriots (Behar) 27.21
20 Turks (Behar) 27.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.08
2 73.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.3
3 73.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.3% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.33
4 76.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.33
5 52% Hungarians (Behar) + 48% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.33
6 86.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.33
7 87% Greek (Dodecad) + 13% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.34
8 72.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.41
9 77.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.44
10 68.1% Romanians (Behar) + 31.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.51
11 73.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.52
12 84.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.62
13 64.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.65
14 71.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.74
15 60.6% Romanians (Behar) + 39.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.84
16 60% Romanians (Behar) + 40% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.85
17 84.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.92
18 83.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.92
19 63.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 36.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.97
20 64.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.99


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.78
2 Atlantic 17.26
3 Baltic 16.2
4 West_Med 13.87
5 West_Asian 12.52
6 North_Sea 7.94
7 Red_Sea 5.4
8 Eastern_Euro 4.93
9 Oceanian 0.56
10 Siberian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 6.49
2 Bulgarian 7.6
3 Greek_Thessaly 9.12
4 Romanian 10.39
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.05
6 Central_Greek 11.13
7 East_Sicilian 11.75
8 Ashkenazi 11.81
9 Tuscan 12.07
10 West_Sicilian 12.27
11 South_Italian 13.71
12 Serbian 14.39
13 North_Italian 15.79
14 Sephardic_Jewish 17.78
15 Italian_Jewish 18
16 Moldavian 18.61
17 Algerian_Jewish 18.77
18 Croatian 19.75
19 Austrian 19.79
20 Hungarian 21.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.94
2 74.8% Bulgarian + 25.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.97
3 68.3% South_Italian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.98
4 72.2% South_Italian + 27.8% Lithuanian @ 5.03
5 70.1% South_Italian + 29.9% Belorussian @ 5.1
6 70.3% South_Italian + 29.7% Estonian_Polish @ 5.16
7 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Samaritan @ 5.27
8 89.8% Greek + 10.2% Lithuanian @ 5.31
9 76.8% Bulgarian + 23.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.32
10 80.9% Bulgarian + 19.1% Cyprian @ 5.32
11 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% South_Italian @ 5.36
12 88.3% Greek + 11.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.37
13 89.1% Greek + 10.9% Belorussian @ 5.38
14 59.7% Greek + 40.3% Bulgarian @ 5.39
15 84.8% Bulgarian + 15.2% Palestinian @ 5.43
16 85.3% Bulgarian + 14.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.46
17 89.5% Greek + 10.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.47
18 89% Bulgarian + 11% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.48
19 82.8% Bulgarian + 17.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.51
20 68.8% South_Italian + 31.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.51



MDLP:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.12
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.31
3 European_Early_Farmers 19.15
4 Near_East 9.23
5 South_Central_Asian 6.15
6 North_African 2.07
7 Melano_Polynesian 1.07


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.862896
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.894323
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 6.833071
4 Greek_Northwest_ @ 6.833728
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.517494
6 Gagauz_ @ 7.626727
7 Kosovar_ @ 8.186187
8 Central_Greek_ @ 8.366130
9 Bulgarian_ @ 8.612172
10 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.907153
11 Romanian_ @ 9.189235
12 Greek_ @ 9.463307
13 Macedonian_ @ 9.807001
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.138361
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.372876
16 Ashkenazi_ @ 11.569318
17 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 12.393032
18 Montenegrian_ @ 12.426967
19 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 12.427217
20 Italian_North_ @ 13.009654

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot_ +50% Slovenian_ @ 2.656055

[Sikeliot]

I also received 3 results from the Cyclades, and you can see the difference clearly.

[Tauromachos]

And how do you know,these Thessalians are native Greek speaking Thessalians and not Vlachs??

Because Thessaly has alot of Vlachs,but it has also native Greek Non Vlach people.

[Dorian]

And how do you know,these Thessalians,are native Greek speaking Thessalians and not Vlachs??

Because Thessaly has alot of Vlachs,but it has also native Greek Non Vlach people.

Perimene logiki apadisi tora file,oute kan tha to epexergasti afto pou tou pes th'arxisi ta dika tou.

[nightrider+]

Congratulations, you found 2 pure Slavovlachs. There are many in Thessaly.

[Lavrentis]

They are definitely of Slavo-Vlach descent.

Not such a hard find, there are a lot in Thessaly. People from Thessaly get different results usually though.

[Sikeliot]

Not such a hard find, there are a lot in Thessaly. People from Thessaly get different results usually though.

Every Thessalian I have seen is similar. Still, even if they are Vlachs and we have no reason to suspect one thing or another, "pure" Thessalians will not be similar to Sicilians nor Cretans.

Mainland Greeks are not similar to Italians. You're going to write off everyone as not a "real" Greek so long as they're closer to Bulgarians, so I guess in your eye no mainland Greek is really a Greek.

[Hadouken]

I have a question

so are north greeks who come out like 75% italian + 25% russian or whatever and cluster with bulgarians etc. the "real greeks" or are the cretans , anatolian greeks , other islanders etc. the "real greeks" . by real greek I mean who were the ones that were first and which are the ones who got "changed" later ending up different from the other

[Sikeliot]

I have a question

so are north greeks who come out like 75% italian + 25% russian or whatever and cluster with bulgarians etc. the "real greeks" or are the cretans , anatolian greeks , other islanders etc. the "real greeks" . by real greek I mean who were the ones that were first and which are the ones who got "changed" later ending up different from the other

Both changed from the original. If you take Mycenaeans as the "true" Greeks they're like West Med/Sardinian shifted southern Italians and Cretans. Therefore, neither modern islanders nor mainlanders are like it.

Mainlanders are like Mycenaean + Russian/Ukrainian/etc. Islanders are like Mycenaean + Levant/Iran/etc. which is why mainlanders do not plot with southern Italians (they just don't, Greek users insisting they do look foolish at this point) and islanders do.

[Lollipop]

Both changed from the original. If you take Mycenaeans as the "true" Greeks they're like West Med/Sardinian shifted southern Italians and Cretans. Therefore, neither modern islanders nor mainlanders are like it.

Mainlanders are like Mycenaean + Russian/Ukrainian/etc. Islanders are like Mycenaean + Levant/Iran/etc. which is why mainlanders do not plot with southern Italians (they just don't, Greek users insisting they do look foolish at this point) and islanders do.

Are you saying that my IKEA chair is more Greek than today greeks?

[Sikeliot]

Are you saying that my IKEA chair is more Greek than today greeks?

No, I am saying modern mainlanders have increased NE European affinity. People can say "they're Vlach not Greek" but those are modern Greek speaking mainlanders with Greek first and last names, and if they're not Greek neither is anyone else. Maybe it's the people similar to Sicilians who are not real Greeks because they're shifted toward the Levant.

I am saying there is a real issue of selectivity among Greek users here wanting to claim some of their people and dismiss others.

[Tauromachos]

I have a question

so are north greeks who come out like 75% italian + 25% russian or whatever and cluster with bulgarians etc. the "real greeks" or are the cretans , anatolian greeks , other islanders etc. the "real greeks" . by real greek I mean who were the ones that were first and which are the ones who got "changed" later ending up different from the other

Dude the divide between Islanders and Mainlanders doesn't realy exist.
Only in Sikeliot's world.
Is it hard to understand ,that Mainland Greeks and especially in coastal regions can be more similar to Islanders and Cretans than to Northern Greeks.
And also that even Northern Greeks don't necessarily score 25% Slavic ,but if at all,only occasionaly.?

Even if you assume a Greek person to score 75% Italian vs 25%Slavic
,it is 75%vs25% 3/4 vs 1/4, hence this person is still predominantly Greco-Roman like.

[Sikeliot]

Dude the divide between Islanders and Mainlanders doesn't realy exist.
Only in Sikeliot's world.
Is it hard to understand ,that Mainland Greeks and especially in coastal regions can be more similar to Islanders and Cretans than to Northern Greeks.
And also that even Northern Greeks don't necessarily score 25% Slavic ,but if at all,only occasionaly.?

Even if you assume a Greek person to score 75% Italian vs 25%Slavic
,it is 75%vs25% 3/4 vs 1/4, hence this person is still predominantly Greco-Roman like.



It does exist, and studies have confirmed it. See here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4


"In particular, Sicily and Southern Italy (SSI) appear as belonging to a wide and homogeneous genetic domain, which is shared by large portions of the present-day South-Eastern Euro-Mediterranean area, extending from Sicily to Cyprus, through Crete, Aegean-Dodecanese and Anatolian Greek Islands. We will refer to this domain as ‘Mediterranean genetic continuum’. On the other hand, the continental part of Greece, including Peloponnesus, appears as slightly differentiated, by clustering with the other Southern Balkan populations of Albania and Kosovo."

[Tauromachos]

It does exist, and studies have confirmed it. See here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01802-4


"In particular, Sicily and Southern Italy (SSI) appear as belonging to a wide and homogeneous genetic domain, which is shared by large portions of the present-day South-Eastern Euro-Mediterranean area, extending from Sicily to Cyprus, through Crete, Aegean-Dodecanese and Anatolian Greek Islands. We will refer to this domain as ‘Mediterranean genetic continuum’. On the other hand, the continental part of Greece, including Peloponnesus, appears as slightly differentiated, by clustering with the other Southern Balkan populations of Albania and Kosovo."

The continental part of Greece has more to do with the rest of the Greek world than with Albania and Kosovo or Southern Balkan End!


http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v25/n5/full/ejhg201718a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

[nightrider+]

No, I am saying modern mainlanders have increased NE European affinity. People can say "they're Vlach not Greek" but those are modern Greek speaking mainlanders with Greek first and last names, and if they're not Greek neither is anyone else. Maybe it's the people similar to Sicilians who are not real Greeks because they're shifted toward the Levant.

I am saying there is a real issue of selectivity among Greek users here wanting to claim some of their people and dismiss others.

Once again you talk like you 're some expert about things you don't really know. Do you have their surnames? Because if it's someone with a surname like Zdralis or Zitsas, it would explain a lot. And no, not all Thessalians are like this. Of course nowadays these people are also Greek but with different origins.

[Sikeliot]

Once again you talk like you 're some expert about things you don't really know. Do you have their surnames? Because if it's someone with a surname like Zdralis or Zitsas, it would explain a lot. And no, not all Thessalians are like this. Of course nowadays these people are also Greek but with different origins.

No, they are common Greek surnames like Giannopoulos and whatnot. That is one of their surnames.

[Ion Basescul]

Unlike the Cretan, other islanders, and Maniots who are identical or close to some Italians, you can see these are closer to Bulgarians. Not even to Tuscans.

#1:


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 29.7
2 North_European 29.22
3 Atlantic_Med 24.89
4 Southwest_Asian 8.01
5 Gedrosia 5.58
6 Northwest_African 1.71
7 Siberian 0.46
8 South_Asian 0.3
9 Southeast_Asian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 5.98
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 7.02
3 Romanians (Behar) 7.32
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.68
5 Greek (Dodecad) 11.52
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.68
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 15.63
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 15.89
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.31
10 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.82
11 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.15
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.22
13 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.24
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 20.13
15 Hungarians (Behar) 21.98
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 24.17
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.86
18 German (Dodecad) 26.68
19 Turkish (Dodecad) 27.16
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 27.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58% Hungarians (Behar) + 42% Cypriots (Behar) @ 1.82
2 68.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.95
3 68.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.98
4 67% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.11
5 65.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.18
6 82.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 17.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.18
7 78.7% Romanians (Behar) + 21.3% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.22
8 77.5% Romanians (Behar) + 22.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.23
9 68.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.23
10 71.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 28.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.26
11 73.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.7% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.29
12 68.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.43
13 68.8% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.44
14 76.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.5
15 81.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 18.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.51
16 77% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.59
17 55.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 44.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.6
18 72.5% Romanians (Behar) + 27.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.6
19 68.6% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.61
20 67.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 32.9% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.63


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.08
2 Baltic 16.76
3 West_Med 13.33
4 West_Asian 13.25
5 Atlantic 12.49
6 North_Sea 11.85
7 Eastern_Euro 6.76
8 Red_Sea 3.55
9 South_Asian 0.97
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Amerindian 0.28

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.32
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.79
3 Greek 7.38
4 Romanian 7.67
5 Central_Greek 11.61
6 Ashkenazi 11.79
7 Serbian 12.05
8 Italian_Abruzzo 12.31
9 East_Sicilian 12.71
10 Tuscan 13.54
11 West_Sicilian 14.4
12 South_Italian 15.03
13 Moldavian 15.41
14 North_Italian 16.94
15 Croatian 17.56
16 Hungarian 18.37
17 Austrian 18.62
18 Italian_Jewish 19.34
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.81
20 Algerian_Jewish 20.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 73.4% Central_Greek + 26.6% Lithuanian @ 2.74
2 87.7% Bulgarian + 12.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.98
3 87.7% Bulgarian + 12.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 3
4 87.4% Bulgarian + 12.6% Samaritan @ 3.05
5 88% Bulgarian + 12% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.05
6 67.9% South_Italian + 32.1% Lithuanian @ 3.08
7 86% Bulgarian + 14% Syrian @ 3.09
8 88% Bulgarian + 12% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.1
9 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.13
10 87.3% Bulgarian + 12.7% Assyrian @ 3.17
11 85.2% Bulgarian + 14.8% Cyprian @ 3.27
12 88% Bulgarian + 12% Palestinian @ 3.31
13 87.6% Bulgarian + 12.4% Jordanian @ 3.34
14 63.6% South_Italian + 36.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.36
15 69.7% Central_Greek + 30.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.45
16 71.7% Central_Greek + 28.3% Belorussian @ 3.48
17 88.3% Bulgarian + 11.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.49
18 58.4% Croatian + 41.6% Cyprian @ 3.53
19 88.6% Bulgarian + 11.4% Bedouin @ 3.57
20 91.7% Bulgarian + 8.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.59


MDLP:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.76
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 25.04
3 European_Early_Farmers 18.78
4 Near_East 6.28
5 North_African 3.78
6 South_Central_Asian 3.05
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.79
8 South_Indian 1.70


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Gagauz_ @ 5.355055
2 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.786290
3 Bulgarian_ @ 6.046178
4 Romanian_ @ 6.542105
5 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 7.159259
6 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 7.301517
7 Macedonian_ @ 7.367906
8 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.628107
9 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.037471
10 Kosovar_ @ 8.178453
11 Central_Greek_ @ 9.347348
12 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 9.710055
13 Montenegrian_ @ 9.903119
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 11.037085
15 Greek_ @ 11.068690
16 Serb_Serbia_ @ 12.265291
17 Italian_North_ @ 12.404427
18 Greek_Athens_ @ 12.715817
19 Ashkenazi_ @ 12.738563
20 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 13.597683

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian_Jew_ +50% Serb_BH_ @ 2.196965




#2:


# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 31.44
2 North_European 26.82
3 Atlantic_Med 25.59
4 Southwest_Asian 10.94
5 Gedrosia 3.76
6 Siberian 0.79
7 Northwest_African 0.43
8 South_Asian 0.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 8.42
2 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 8.78
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.23
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.93
5 Romanians (Behar) 10.21
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 12.77
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 14.22
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.78
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 14.79
10 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 14.97
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.35
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 15.45
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.54
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.94
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 21.29
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.3
17 Hungarians (Behar) 25.14
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 25.56
19 Cypriots (Behar) 27.21
20 Turks (Behar) 27.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 29.2% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.08
2 73.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.3
3 73.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.3% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.33
4 76.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 2.33
5 52% Hungarians (Behar) + 48% Cypriots (Behar) @ 2.33
6 86.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.3% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.33
7 87% Greek (Dodecad) + 13% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.34
8 72.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 27.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.41
9 77.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.3% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.44
10 68.1% Romanians (Behar) + 31.9% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.51
11 73.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 26.2% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.52
12 84.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.5% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.62
13 64.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.65
14 71.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 28.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.74
15 60.6% Romanians (Behar) + 39.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.84
16 60% Romanians (Behar) + 40% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.85
17 84.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.9% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.92
18 83.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.6% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.92
19 63.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 36.7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.97
20 64.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 35.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.99


Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.78
2 Atlantic 17.26
3 Baltic 16.2
4 West_Med 13.87
5 West_Asian 12.52
6 North_Sea 7.94
7 Red_Sea 5.4
8 Eastern_Euro 4.93
9 Oceanian 0.56
10 Siberian 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 6.49
2 Bulgarian 7.6
3 Greek_Thessaly 9.12
4 Romanian 10.39
5 Italian_Abruzzo 11.05
6 Central_Greek 11.13
7 East_Sicilian 11.75
8 Ashkenazi 11.81
9 Tuscan 12.07
10 West_Sicilian 12.27
11 South_Italian 13.71
12 Serbian 14.39
13 North_Italian 15.79
14 Sephardic_Jewish 17.78
15 Italian_Jewish 18
16 Moldavian 18.61
17 Algerian_Jewish 18.77
18 Croatian 19.75
19 Austrian 19.79
20 Hungarian 21.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Bulgarian + 21.7% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.94
2 74.8% Bulgarian + 25.2% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.97
3 68.3% South_Italian + 31.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.98
4 72.2% South_Italian + 27.8% Lithuanian @ 5.03
5 70.1% South_Italian + 29.9% Belorussian @ 5.1
6 70.3% South_Italian + 29.7% Estonian_Polish @ 5.16
7 84.2% Bulgarian + 15.8% Samaritan @ 5.27
8 89.8% Greek + 10.2% Lithuanian @ 5.31
9 76.8% Bulgarian + 23.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.32
10 80.9% Bulgarian + 19.1% Cyprian @ 5.32
11 70.1% Bulgarian + 29.9% South_Italian @ 5.36
12 88.3% Greek + 11.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 5.37
13 89.1% Greek + 10.9% Belorussian @ 5.38
14 59.7% Greek + 40.3% Bulgarian @ 5.39
15 84.8% Bulgarian + 15.2% Palestinian @ 5.43
16 85.3% Bulgarian + 14.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.46
17 89.5% Greek + 10.5% Estonian_Polish @ 5.47
18 89% Bulgarian + 11% Yemenite_Jewish @ 5.48
19 82.8% Bulgarian + 17.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 5.51
20 68.8% South_Italian + 31.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.51



MDLP:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.12
2 European_Hunters_Gatherers 23.31
3 European_Early_Farmers 19.15
4 Near_East 9.23
5 South_Central_Asian 6.15
6 North_African 2.07
7 Melano_Polynesian 1.07


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaloniki_ @ 5.862896
2 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 5.894323
3 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 6.833071
4 Greek_Northwest_ @ 6.833728
5 Albanian_Tirana_ @ 7.517494
6 Gagauz_ @ 7.626727
7 Kosovar_ @ 8.186187
8 Central_Greek_ @ 8.366130
9 Bulgarian_ @ 8.612172
10 Greek_Macedonia_ @ 8.907153
11 Romanian_ @ 9.189235
12 Greek_ @ 9.463307
13 Macedonian_ @ 9.807001
14 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain_ @ 10.138361
15 Greek_Athens_ @ 11.372876
16 Ashkenazi_ @ 11.569318
17 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 12.393032
18 Montenegrian_ @ 12.426967
19 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 12.427217
20 Italian_North_ @ 13.009654

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cypriot_ +50% Slovenian_ @ 2.656055



It's kind of expected to find recently assimilated Slavs in that region of Greece.

[Sikeliot]

It's kind of expected to find recently assimilated Slavs in that region of Greece.

Those results are common mainlanders in my experience though.

[Tauromachos]

Those results are common mainlanders in my experience though.

Yea...in your experience!

[catgeorge]

Looks like BS to me.

[catgeorge]

Yea...in your experience!

Yes I already see a Dienekes + Sikeliot challenge.

Well maybe not...

[Epirus DNA]

ME
Dodecad K12b

Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.96
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.44
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.07
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.75
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.14
6 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.75
7 Romanians (Behar) 12.14
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.46
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.22
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.27
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 13.49
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 13.88
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 15.87
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.27
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 19.66
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 21.7
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.93
18 Cypriots (Behar) 26.13
19 Turks (Behar) 26.26
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 26.68

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 44.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.37
2 52.2% Romanians (Behar) + 47.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.41
3 54.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 45.9% German (Dodecad) @ 2.63
4 55.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 44.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.67
5 52.3% Romanians (Behar) + 47.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.68
6 77.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.3% Russian (Dodecad) @ 2.71
7 77.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.5% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.72
8 77.2% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.8% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.74
9 76.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.83
10 75.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 24.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.93
11 77.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.2% Belorussian (Behar) @ 2.94
12 54.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 45.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.98
13 86.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 3
14 83% Greek (Dodecad) + 17% German (Dodecad) @ 3.04
15 81.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 18.9% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 3.05
16 80% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 20% Lithuanian (Dodecad) @ 3.07
17 86.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 3.09
18 77.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.14
19 76.1% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.9% Polish (Dodecad) @ 3.19
20 83.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.1% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 3.21


DAD
Dodecad K12b

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.61
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 8.23
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.84
4 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 9.91
5 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.56
6 Romanians (Behar) 11.29
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.18
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 12.91
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 13.55
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.71
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.81
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 13.87
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 16.28
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 18.58
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 20.22
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 22.31
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.79
18 Hungarians (Behar) 26.32
19 Cypriots (Behar) 26.42
20 Baleares (1000Genomes) 27.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 41.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.15
2 58.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 41.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.22
3 58.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 41.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.34
4 58.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 41.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.37
5 54.9% Romanians (Behar) + 45.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.44
6 80.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 19.6% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.6
7 55.1% Romanians (Behar) + 44.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 1.62
8 89.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 10.4% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 1.9
9 86.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.2% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 1.99
10 89.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 10.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 1.99
11 63.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 36.1% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.09
12 86.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.1
13 87.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 12.1% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.1
14 83% Greek (Dodecad) + 17% German (Dodecad) @ 2.13
15 67.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 32.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.14
16 87.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 12.6% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.17
17 86.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 13.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.2
18 60.6% Greek (Dodecad) + 39.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.23
19 87% Greek (Dodecad) + 13% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.31
20 89.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 10.2% Lithuanians (Behar) @ 2.36


MOM
Dodecad K12b

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 6.47
2 Greek (Dodecad) 7.11
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.3
4 Tuscan (HGDP) 10.74
5 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 10.84
6 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 11.02
7 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.38
8 Romanians (Behar) 12.07
9 Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.28
10 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 13.33
11 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 13.91
12 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 14.23
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.72
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 17.1
15 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 20.02
16 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 21.94
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 24.96
18 Baleares (1000Genomes) 25.57
19 Hungarians (Behar) 26.45
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 26.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 17.6% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.31
2 54% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 46% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2.31
3 81.8% Greek (Dodecad) + 18.2% German (Dodecad) @ 2.4
4 85.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.1% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.41
5 83.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.7% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.44
6 84.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.3% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 2.45
7 86% Greek (Dodecad) + 14% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.49
8 52.6% Romanians (Behar) + 47.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.53
9 85.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 2.55
10 52.5% Romanians (Behar) + 47.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.56
11 84% Greek (Dodecad) + 16% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.6
12 85.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.9% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 2.61
13 84.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.9% English (Dodecad) @ 2.63
14 85.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.9% Irish (Dodecad) @ 2.66
15 83.9% Greek (Dodecad) + 16.1% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 2.68
16 84.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.76
17 55.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 44.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.81
18 84.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.3% British (Dodecad) @ 2.82
19 66.9% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 33.1% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.84
20 84.5% Greek (Dodecad) + 15.5% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.86