Amerindians cannot be Mongoloid; they and Australoids are equidistant genetically to East Asians

[Maguzanci]

Just another thread based on the previous thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215115-Amerindians-are-an-ancient-Eurasian-race-and-closest-to-Central-Asians

From my observation, Amerindians and Australoids/Sahulians are similar in their genetic distance to East Asians. So I wonder why Amerindians are considered by many as part of "Mongoloid" race when they and Australoids are equally distant to East Asian aka Mongoloids.

http://i.imgur.com/J5L4pw4.jpg

Just saying...

[Maguzanci]

Yep, that's it.

[Maguzanci]

I got the PCA from this study:
Ancient genomic DNA analysis of Jomon people

http://ir.soken.ac.jp/?action=repository_uri&item_id=4960&file_id=19&file_no=2

[Maguzanci]

bump.

[Smeagol]

Most Indians are more Mongoloid than anything else, though they seem to have Caucasoid admixture with possible australoid strains in some groups as well.

[Maguzanci]

Most Indians are more Mongoloid than anything else, though they seem to have Caucasoid admixture with possible australoid strains in some groups as well.

Then why are Amerindians and Australoids equidistant in terms of genetic distance to East Asians according to this PCA?

[Pahli]

It seems that Amerindians have evolved into an independent component that to me looks like a mix of Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Australoid. Amerindians of North America also have ANE admixture, so they aren't pure Amerindians.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

All amerindians have ANE admixture.
And most of their DNA is east eurasian/ANE
But more east eurasian

[Pahli]

All amerindians have ANE admixture.
And most of their DNA is east eurasian/ANE

Mostly East Asian followed by some ANE (I think 20%?)

[Smeagol]

Then why are Amerindians and Australoids equidistant in terms of genetic distance to East Asians according to this PCA?

I don't know, probably from how long they've been separated.

[Maguzanci]

Mostly East Asian followed by some ANE (I think 20%?)


Actually Amerindians are more like 54%ish Eastern Eurasian-related and 45% ANE-related according to the latest Basal spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tFAa7oxWpcNN-OdMMjBdb4NeWKG7EkpKMzZJVW2_MME/edit#gid=1829029512).

[AphroditeWorshiper]

It seems that Amerindians have evolved into an independent component that to me looks like a mix of Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Australoid. Amerindians of North America also have ANE admixture, so they aren't pure Amerindians.

Amerindians from South America has more ANE and are more closer to Central Asian than Amerindians from North

North Amerindians like Eskimos/Inuit are almost East Asian

[Maguzanci]

Amerindians from South America has more ANE and are moste closer to Central Asian than Amerindians from North

North Amerindians like Eskimos/Inuit are almost East Asian

They might be close to West Siberians like Selkups, Kets as well.

[Vyacheslav]

http://s019.radikal.ru/i617/1708/ee/74d919c8659f.jpg (http://radikal.ru)

[Neon Knight]

Yes, they are a genetic group of their own. A lot of race hobbyists on forums like this confuse the origins of a population with what it has become - they forget that geographically separate or distant populations become differentiated from their parent populations i.e. they evolve.

Even after a thousand years Icelanders are not simply a mix of Norwegians and Scots/Irish - they have drifted noticably. I'm pretty sure this is also true of Europeans in general; they are not simply a mix of ancient hunter-gatherers, neolithic farmers and Yamnaya horsemen.

I've not noticed anyone here talk about this aspect of genetics.

[Dr. Bambo]

Stupid claim. There are genetically North Asians selcted by founder's effect.

[Demon Revival]

It seems that Amerindians have evolved into an independent component that to me looks like a mix of Mongoloid, Caucasoid and Australoid. Amerindians of North America also have ANE admixture, so they aren't pure Amerindians.

Wot? If you have ANE you are not pure Amerindian? The highest ANE today (lower than Yamnaya still) peaks in Amerindian groups. All Amerindians are around 20-40% ANE. Australoid markers are also found in America but they're in very small numbers. "Australoid" markers are only double to that of Ukrainians, Swedes, etc... which usually have it in 0.5-2%. Amerindians have around 3-5% of it.

Amerindians are basically a near even mix of East Asian genetics (similar to Han and Koreans) with ANE (central steppes) with a very small Ancient South Eurasian sprinkle. This is why they neither look like Filipinos or Japanese but can look like some Central Asians and Central/West Siberians.

[Peterski]

North Amerindians like Eskimos/Inuit are almost East Asian

Eskimos/Inuits are not really Amerindians though.

[Potentia]

The master race has always been the Meso-Americans. ;)

Thankfully, I descend from this noble civilization. Here's Litvin's PCA of Native Ancestry.

http://i.imgur.com/hcPl9XM.png

[Pahli]

Wot? If you have ANE you are not pure Amerindian? The highest ANE today (lower than Yamnaya still) peaks in Amerindian groups. All Amerindians are around 20-40% ANE. Australoid markers are also found in America but they're in very small numbers. "Australoid" markers are only double to that of Ukrainians, Swedes, etc... which usually have it in 0.5-2%. Amerindians have around 3-5% of it.

Amerindians are basically a near even mix of East Asian genetics (similar to Han and Koreans) with ANE (central steppes) with a very small Ancient South Eurasian sprinkle. This is why they neither look like Filipinos or Japanese but can look like some Central Asians and Central/West Siberians.

My mistake, but ANE has been absorbed into ancient WHG and became EHG, what became CHG was basically a mix of 50 / 50 ANE and Basal Eurasian, would be interesting to see a facial reconstruction of ancient CHG, most Eurasian populations have ANE. People with a lot of CHG like Georgians, Abkhasians, Brahui, Balochis and some North Indian populations have a big amount of ANE.

[Demon Revival]

My mistake, but ANE has been absorbed into ancient WHG and became EHG, what became CHG was basically a mix of 50 / 50 ANE and Basal Eurasian, would be interesting to see a facial reconstruction of ancient CHG, most Eurasian populations have ANE. People with a lot of CHG like Georgians, Abkhasians, Brahui, Balochis and some North Indian populations have a big amount of ANE.

http://i60.tinypic.com/17z588.jpg

South Chinese and Sardinians, North Africans have 0%. Japanese surprisingly have 2%. I'd guess Koreans have similar. Quite interesting considering the geographical opposite in the West (islands close to a continent) which would be the British Isles (Ireland and UK) have 14 and 15%.

NorthWest Asia seems to have been the main sprachbund of this component.

[Maguzanci]

Also this FST data show Amerindians being very distant from Eastern Asians populations with the latter being located between Amerindians and Australoids.

The interesting observation is that Mongoloid pops are here closer in FST distance to South Asian and West Eurasian populations than with Amerindians.

P.S. I don't know what DNA paper the FST data came from but I got it from this thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?12519-Global-genetic-distances-(graph-map)),

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k178/argiedude/FSTHGDP8bunch-uprecalculaterearr-1.gif

[Maguzanci]

Bump.

[Sacrificed Ram]

They share their mtDNA with East Asians.