What country is Genetically the purest European or "White"

[Decius]

I always thought it was maybe Central and Northern Germans or Dutch

[Inquizzzitor]

Basque. lol

[Linebacker]

Genetically the purest European are the three Baltic nations,Latvia,Lithuania and Estonia.

[Porn Master]

Uralic countries

[Decius]

Genetically the purest European are the three Baltic nations,Latvia,Lithuania and Estonia.

Seems like Latvia and Estonia has some distant mongoloid influence I don't know I just see Central or Northern Germans being the purest seems like they don't have non-European elements overall

[zhaoyun]

Probably Denmark or the Netherlands.

[Lek]

Sardinians probably.

[Dick]

Sardinians probably.

Good one, whoever plots most westerly on european maps. Sardinians and basques.

[EasternEurope]

I'd say the south Norwegians/Swedes, Danes and north Germans. The Dutch and Irish could also pass here.

[Jana]

I R E L A N D

[Enflamme]

If I were to simplify: Basques, Lithuanians, Sardinians, certain other peoples of the North, and so on.

[Lek]

Good one, whoever plots most westerly on european maps. Sardinians and basques.

They are genetically the oldest Europeans, pre-IE, And also some Lapps in Scandinavia. Sardinians have the least Steppe ancestry and mostly WHG+Neolithic, so genetically speaking they are the oldest Europeans overall. But maybe not the whitest as im quite sure that is a genetic mutation from the lack of vitamin D. :shrug: in Europe, such a mutation would of frequently occured in Northern Europe more than South which is why Northern Euros are ''whiter'' but for sure not more European.

I don't know much about Basque genetics but I know they have the oldest European language and they have high r1b apparently which could aswell be pre-IE and totally different clade from the ones found in Indo European speakers.

[Dick]

They are genetically the oldest Europeans, pre-IE, And also some Lapps in Scandinavia. Sardinians have the least Steppe ancestry and mostly WHG+Neolithic, so genetically speaking they are the oldest Europeans overall. But maybe not the whitest as im quite sure that is a genetic mutation from the lack of vitamin D. :shrug:

I don't know much about Basque genetics but I know they have the oldest European language and they have high r1b apparently which could aswell be pre-IE and totally different clade from the ones found in Indo European speakers.

I'd say you're correct anyway, the question is who is genetically the purest "European"

[Bosniensis]

Serbian professor Dr. Jovan Deretić says that before Germanic Migrations the only people who lived in Europe were Serbs (95%) and 5% were Greeks, so I would assume that
the correct answer to OP question would be: Bosnians.

[Peterski]

I just see Central or Northern Germans being the purest seems like they don't have non-European elements

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2014/01/poles-more-indigenous-to-europe-than.html

But in the Comments section, Davidski confirms that Northern Germans are very European too.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Genetically the purest European are the three Baltic nations,Latvia,Lithuania and Estonia.

No true, they have Uralid-Mongoloid influence, haplogroup N1c which is very common in Baltic countries is alien in Europe.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Irish people are purest

[Сербо Макеридов]

I vote for Norwegians.

[Pigling]

I always thought it was maybe Central and Northern Germans or Dutch

Historically speaking going few hundred years ago Dutch, Belgians, Polish, Danish, British & Irish were purest Europeans in sense of genetics.

Today due to colonialism and immigration Western Europeans every day being more and more mixed, so from today's perspective I can say that Serbo-Croats and Poles (West Slavs in general) can be considered to be purest Europeans in biological sense.

[Lek]

http://polishgenes.blogspot.com/2014/01/poles-more-indigenous-to-europe-than.html

But in the Comments section, Davidski confirms that Northern Germans are very European too.

The question is who is purest European and not oldest.. its like me arguing Albanians are purely neolithic therefor purest. Duh.

That blog is biased and nonsense as I read some of it. And even matching your DNA with only one sample doesnt mean much either.

Lithuanian is a indo european language as it gets and they were originally steppe people that were a mix of different populations like WHG, EHG, CHG, neolithic etc. We know they came outside Europe only 5000 years ago from the Caucasus and brought their language with them and where they probably mixed with indigenous Europeans like hunter gatherers and neolithics that had arrived earlier and that were probably mixed themselves anyway.



Lithuanians, polaks etc are far from being pure WHG. Same goes for rest of Northern Europe where steppe/ANE peaks. But steppe people already had some hunter gatherer components including when they arrived into Europe most likely through that youll probably match well some indigenous hunter gatherer populations in Europe alone. Your agenda is getting ridicilous as in another thread you were basically saying youre almost pure steppe and now trying to argue funny enough youre purely WHG Lmao.. that magically adopted an indo european language huh... the proto Ilyrian and indo european migrant that was found in Montenegro and that was similar to Lithuanians adds more to my point, it scored high hunter gatherer... indo europeans were not indigenous to Europe but either mixed a lot with hunter gatherer or had a lot of such components from before hand like whg, chg etc which they did which is why Steppe/ANE samples on gedmatch calcs get get a lot of WHG and CHG...

Hunter gatherers didnt just live in Europe or even originally. Many could of been descendant from eachother and related or totally unrelated. Same for Neolithic. Thats why names like CHG, WHG , EHG are fucking retarded. For all you know whg was descendant of some hunter gatherer population outside Europe that could of also been brought later by steppe migrations.

i know the question is who is purest European but your link is arguing that these indo european speakers whos language is as original IE as it gets are indigenous euros because they get high WHG... funny enough.. such components would of easily been brought by Steppe people as they were a mix of different populations.. i got plenty of steppe samples to prove my point that shows a lot of WHG and CHG. They even brought some Near Eastern.


He does mention Steppe peaking in Northerns but thinks funny enough there should be only 2, whg and neolithic and represents tge. Whg as indigenous and the neolithic as migrants and totally ignores the migrants after that that brought the modern European languages, and which he says himself peaks in Northern Euros and that show they had a lot of whg and chg.

WHG lived in Russia even, Neighboring ANE people easily absorbed them.


Ops question is fucking retarded anyway. What the fk defines even a pure European. Theres no such thing no matter how you twist it because Europeans are a mixture of different ancient populations that then again where again a mix of different people...

If we exclude this ancient mixture and by purest mean who has the least recent non european influence genetically then i dont see how some of the countries mentioned in this thread are purer than Albanians for example who barely even have any recent non euro admix or any more then other European populations. In fact, it would be easier to say whos the least genetically european.

Whiteness has absolutely nothing to do with it. It is a genetic mutation.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Historically speaking going few hundred years ago Dutch, Belgians, Polish, Danish, British & Irish were purest Europeans in sense of genetics.

Today due to colonialism and immigration Western Europeans every day being more and more mixed, so from today's perspective I can say that Serbo-Croats and Poles (West Slavs in general) can be considered to be purest Europeans in biological sense.

I think that Norwegians and Icelanders are the purest Europeans.
Mass migration of people from the other continents in Norway and in Iceland was never happened, unlike Sweden, Germany, UK, France, Netherlands, Belgium...
Mass migration also was never happened in Finland, but Finns are 7-15% Asians (Siberians) in autosomal DNA, and they have more than 60% of haplogroup N1c, and that haplogroup is mongoloid-siberian.

[Rædwald]

I'd say Iceland, but a more European population depending on your opinion about that definition would be probably Lithuania.

[Sikeliot]

Ireland or UK probably (the UK natives, I mean, not all of the immigrants there now).

[HighSky]

Denmark
Central and Northern Germans

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Basques, Sardinians,Andorrans and Sami/Lapps

[Decius]

Historically speaking going few hundred years ago Dutch, Belgians, Polish, Danish, British & Irish were purest Europeans in sense of genetics.

Today due to colonialism and immigration Western Europeans every day being more and more mixed, so from today's perspective I can say that Serbo-Croats and Poles (West Slavs in general) can be considered to be purest Europeans in biological sense.

Lol are you actually one eight croat me too

[Hamlet]

Obviously Ireland, there literally isn't any other answer to this.

[Linebacker]

No true, they have Uralid-Mongoloid influence, haplogroup N1c which is very common in Baltic countries is alien in Europe.

We've been over this so many times and yet people just don't get it.

When you talk about "Pure" and "Real" Europeans,you are talking about Paleolithic and Mesolithic Hunter-Gatherers,that have been indigenous to Europe for hundreds of thousands of years.As you can imagine those people had their specific genetics,that were much different than the genetics brought in by the Neolithic invasion.

AND the people who carry the most amount of genetics of those indigenous Hunter-Gatherers while at the same time carrying minimal(to none) influence from the Neolithic expansion are the Baltic people.

Do the research yourself next time,when you are seeking to find pure unaltered Europeans,go to the Baltics.

[Pahli]

Balts and Finns, small mongoloid admixture shouldn't matter if these people still have more indigenous European admixture than others. Go run any ancient European samples in Gedmatch, Balts are usually always the first 4.

[Ujku]

Albanians.

[Septentrion]

I always thought it was maybe Central and Northern Germans or Dutch
No it is the British (Celtic fringe especially), Irish (I always wondered why they were so pasty, yuck!) , Belgians (my people), Dutch (particularly the people of Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe), North-West French (Les Bretons surtout), North-West Germans (No Hunnish admixture here for sure!), Southwestern Norwegians.
Southern Europe has known plenty of mixing, but I'll play very safe and say the Basques of northern Spain and southwestern France would be the "purest" Southern Europeans.

[Septentrion]

Irish people are purest

Correct. They're well amongst the purest European Caucasoids, this has to do with their insular geographic location. Ireland and Great Britain are located at the northwestern end of the small European continent.
Even Near-Eastern and North African genetic lineages are at lower levels in such populations.
We can see by the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 and Haplogroup 21 in various populations:
Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 ("Semitic"):
Cornish = 0%
Scottish = 0%
West Scottish = 0%
Irish = 1%
East English = 1%
Norwegians = 2%
Germans = 3%
Dutch = 7%
Italians = 20%
Greeks = 28%
Algerian = 41%
Ashkenaz = 43%
Palestinian Arabs = 55%
Bedouin Arabs = 66%

Y-DNA Haplogroup 21 ("Hamitic"):
Cornish = 0%
Scottish = 0%
West Scottish = 2%
Irish = 2%
Norwegian = 2%
East English = 3%
Dutch = 8%
Italians = 13%
Southern Portuguese = 17%
Sardinians = 20%
Ashkenaz = 23%
Greeks = 28%
Algerians = 52%
Other Northern Africans = 77%
There we see that the "Phoenician" myth that was associated with the so-called "dark" Britons has no basis whatsoever. That myth is totally irrelevant. The Cornish of South-West England, whom were said to be the "darkest" in England by some anthropologists have actually the lowest levels of "Semitic" or "Hamitic" lineages in Europe! Another fact is that, despite the fact that the "typical" Cornish person is described as being "dark" and that Cornwall was the darkest-haired county in England is not true. There are English counties which are darker-haired or less blond/e than Cornwall such as Wiltshire for example.

[Joso]

Correct. They're well amongst the purest European Caucasoids, this has to do with their insular geographic location. Ireland and Great Britain are located at the northwestern end of the small European continent.
Even Near-Eastern and North African genetic lineages are at lower levels in such populations.
We can see by the frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 and Haplogroup 21 in various populations:
Y-DNA Haplogroup 9 ("Semitic"):
Cornish = 0%
Scottish = 0%
West Scottish = 0%
Irish = 1%
East English = 1%
Norwegians = 2%
Germans = 3%
Dutch = 7%
Italians = 20%
Greeks = 28%
Algerian = 41%
Ashkenaz = 43%
Palestinian Arabs = 55%
Bedouin Arabs = 66%

Y-DNA Haplogroup 21 ("Hamitic"):
Cornish = 0%
Scottish = 0%
West Scottish = 2%
Irish = 2%
Norwegian = 2%
East English = 3%
Dutch = 8%
Italians = 13%
Southern Portuguese = 17%
Sardinians = 20%
Ashkenaz = 23%
Greeks = 28%
Algerians = 52%
Other Northern Africans = 77%

Isn't the purests Georgia and other countryes in the caucasus?

[Septentrion]

Isn't the purests Georgia and other countryes in the caucasus?

I meant purest European by the way. Populations such as the Georgians, Abkhazians, Dagestanis, etc... and people of the Caucasus have received constant admixtures from Central Asia, especially from Turkic-speaking groups, as well as relatively stable admixtures from the Southwest Asia and the Persian Gulf ("Middle-East") and even East Asian admixtures are found. So definitely not!

[Joso]

I meant purest European by the way. Populations such as the Georgians, Abkhazians, Dagestanis, etc... and people of the Caucasus have received constant admixtures from Central Asia, especially from Turkic-speaking groups, as well as relatively stable admixtures from the Southwest Asia and the Persian Gulf ("Middle-East") and even East Asian admixtures are found. So definitely not!

At least they from caucasus don't have SSA like some Europeans have, i think

[Decius]

At least they from caucasus don't have SSA like some Europeans have, i think

Only Iberians and sometimes sicilians have minor ssa. Caucasus people have more non-caucasoid admixture then most europeans

[Tong]

Faroes, iceland.

[Creoda]

I don't know, but Ireland must be close to it if my father is anything to go by (green dot)
https://imgur.com/xluEcZJ
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[kleenex]

Greeks are most likely the first Europeans as it was an entry point into Europe. I would venture to guess that there are Greeks living today who could trace a segment of their ancestry to pre-Paleolithic Europe (Neanderthals). As far as "whiteness' is concerned there was no "white" allele (from what I've read) prior to Neolithic period I believe and the first carriers of light skinned allele may have been ENF.

[Urbanuss]

Basques, Irish and Baltic nations

[Urbanuss]

Only Iberians and sometimes sicilians have minor ssa. Caucasus people have more non-caucasoid admixture then most europeans

Not all Iberians, lel.
I've seen Portuguese (Northern) GedMatch samples that didn't score SSA and scored much less "West Asian" than other Europeans.

Like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/MyHeritage/comments/oe57x4/myheritage_vs_gedmatch_vs_dnaland_northern/

[NITE]

Probably Nordics cause of no mongoloid and less med admixture

[Moranku]

If we're talking about countries then Andorra.

[Blondie]

Probably Nordics cause of no mongoloid and less med admixture

North euros have tons of mongoloid influence, many of them looks pseudo-asian. Irish are the "purest" euros by far.

[Benyzero]

Northern greeks

[mitalit]

Probably the Baltic countries

[Urbanuss]

Probably the Baltic countries

Yes, Basques and Irish too.

I've already made calculus based on data from K13/K15

[Blondie]

Probably the Baltic countries

No, they arent. Same case like north euros, baltics have significant uralic (siberian) admiture. Thats a myth that scandinavians are the purest germanics, not true, its Frisia.

[Kiel]

No, they arent. Same case like north euros, baltics have significant uralic (siberian) admiture. Thats a myth that scandinavians are the purest germanics, not true, its Frisia.

Frisians usually have a lot of scandinavian in them, so how does that work?

[Blondie]

Frisians usually have a lot of scandinavian in them, so how does that work?

Doesnt matter, frisians are not scandinavians, but west germanic.

[Lisyonok]

North euros have tons of mongoloid influence, many of them looks pseudo-asian. Irish are the "purest" euros by far.

Why North Euros have the highest percentages of light eyes and light hair then? They are not Mongoloid or Sibirid traits, but European ones.

Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Estonians and Latvians have all higher percentages than Irish or Frisians.

I agree that Frisians may have the purest Germanic DNA, as Scandinavians have East Slavic admixture.

[Africanwidow]

Why North Euros have the highest percentages of light eyes and light hair then? They are not Mongoloid or Sibirid traits, but European ones.

Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Estonians and Latvians have all higher percentages than Irish or Frisians.

I agree that Frisians may have the purest Germanic DNA, as Scandinavians have East Slavic admixture.

I disagree Latvians are lighter haired and eyed than Frisians. Even less so than Dutch as a whole, although the differences aren't that big.

[Blondie]

Why North Euros have the highest percentages of light eyes and light hair then? They are not Mongoloid or Sibirid traits, but European ones.

Blonde hair and light eyes dont make you more germanic. Estonia is the most blonde euro nation and they are not germanic at all. Many scandinavians have pseudo-asian traits.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Jens_Byggmark.jpg/445px-Jens_Byggmark.jpg?20070130115436

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-10e4489b23ed7eb3a7d93b1597931edf-lq

https://res.feednews.com/assets/v2/4f1f0335f3df398d42f37b9967ad621a?width=1280&height=720&quality=hq&category=us_News_Sports.Soccer


Danes, Norwegians, Swedes, Estonians and Latvians have all higher percentages than Irish or Frisians.

Latvians are very dark compared to frisians lol

[Lisyonok]

Blonde hair and light eyes dont make you more germanic. Estonia is the most blonde euro nation and they are not germanic at all. Many scandinavians have pseudo-asian traits.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Jens_Byggmark.jpg/445px-Jens_Byggmark.jpg?20070130115436

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-10e4489b23ed7eb3a7d93b1597931edf-lq

https://res.feednews.com/assets/v2/4f1f0335f3df398d42f37b9967ad621a?width=1280&height=720&quality=hq&category=us_News_Sports.Soccer

Latvians are very dark compared to frisians lol

I just said in my post that "Frisians may be the purest Germanics". Purest Europeans is a different thing.

Difference between Latvians and Frisians is not big, but based on these maps, Latvians are lighter:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Light_Eyes_in_Europe.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Percentage_frequency_of_light_hair_in_and_near_Eur ope.gif?20110508223455

However, I don´t trust these maps myself in case of Finland, which is much more Lappid / Turanid and darker than the maps show. Pseudo-Asian traits of Scandinavians are usually Lappid admixture, mostly in North Scandinavia.

Estonia may be the blondest (and also the most light-eyed) nation in Europe (= purest Europeans?). This is actually ironic, as Estonian language is not European, but Estonians have then hardly admixed with both Nordics and East Europeans.

[Russki]

I just said in my post that "Frisians may be the purest Germanics". Purest Europeans is a different thing.

Difference between Latvians and Frisians is not big, but based on these maps, Latvians are lighter:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Light_Eyes_in_Europe.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Percentage_frequency_of_light_hair_in_and_near_Eur ope.gif?20110508223455

However, I don´t trust these maps myself in case of Finland, which is much more Lappid / Turanid and darker than the maps show. Pseudo-Asian traits of Scandinavians are usually Lappid admixture, mostly in North Scandinavia.

Estonia may be the blondest (and also the most light-eyed) nation in Europe (= purest Europeans?). This is actually ironic, as Estonian language is not European, but Estonians have then hardly admixed with both Nordics and East Europeans.


Latvians are darker than neighboring Russians who live next to them.

West coast Latvians are especially dark for some reason.

Note that the map was made by Lundman in 1940, at that time Northern Poland was inhabited by Low Saxon speaking Germans.


https://sun9-60.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/uqegXZWKIs2ciubrme7ZqM402_SjIqjV8E6frjbJDz4q5fjSvG F8pdl-21kjaFSLsoTWz74E2wgyHnettTDiBPMc.jpg?size=600x784&quality=95&type=album





Latvians are probably the darkest people comparatively to their relatively Northern latitude.

[Lisyonok]

Latvians are darker than neighboring Russians who live next to them.

West coast Latvians are especially dark for some reason.

Note that the map was made by Lundman in 1940, at that time Northern Poland was inhabited by Low Saxon speaking Germans.

https://sun9-60.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/uqegXZWKIs2ciubrme7ZqM402_SjIqjV8E6frjbJDz4q5fjSvG F8pdl-21kjaFSLsoTWz74E2wgyHnettTDiBPMc.jpg?size=600x784&quality=95&type=album

Latvians are probably the darkest people comparatively to their relatively Northern latitude.

Yes, Latvia has had a lot of Germanic and Slavic peoples in different periods, so there are different results about Latvians. Western Russia also belongs to this "lightest Europe" belt, but Russia as whole country does not.

Thank you for one more proof about Estonians being the blondest.

[Russki]

Thank you for one more proof about Estonians being the blondest.


Not blondest but rather fair-haired, starting from medium brown (7-26 on Fischer scale).


https://sun9-83.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/KMwLUUJ1ficVFOn3iKXyU7LGzOSx0U7Atx62o7TZgc8fgJueAf UfnWCChrwvmlwDeglXR8SLl4TVghDVTj6g9T5W.jpg?size=16 00x1200&quality=95&type=album

[Blondie]

I just said in my post that "Frisians may be the purest Germanics". Purest Europeans is a different thing.

But baltics are not pure europeans :rotfl: 35-40% of baltics have siberian paternal origin (n1c):
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml


Difference between Latvians and Frisians is not big, but based on these maps, Latvians are lighter

These maps are bs.

[Token]

I just said in my post that "Frisians may be the purest Germanics". Purest Europeans is a different thing.

Difference between Latvians and Frisians is not big, but based on these maps, Latvians are lighter:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Light_Eyes_in_Europe.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Percentage_frequency_of_light_hair_in_and_near_Eur ope.gif?20110508223455

However, I don´t trust these maps myself in case of Finland, which is much more Lappid / Turanid and darker than the maps show. Pseudo-Asian traits of Scandinavians are usually Lappid admixture, mostly in North Scandinavia.

Estonia may be the blondest (and also the most light-eyed) nation in Europe (= purest Europeans?). This is actually ironic, as Estonian language is not European, but Estonians have then hardly admixed with both Nordics and East Europeans.
Those maps are shit made by amateurs. Here is one made by a professional anthropologist based on the compilation of dozens of pigmentation studies made by local anthropologists:

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map8a.jpg
https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map8b.jpg

[Russki]

(...)


Lundman was somewhat better at it.

Pigmentation goes down from Estonia to Latvia, but he stretched it all the way down to Poland.


https://sun9-60.userapi.com/s/v1/if2/uqegXZWKIs2ciubrme7ZqM402_SjIqjV8E6frjbJDz4q5fjSvG F8pdl-21kjaFSLsoTWz74E2wgyHnettTDiBPMc.jpg?size=600x784&quality=95&type=album




Soviet anthropologists found the same thing - Latvians notably darker than Estonians.

https://i.imgur.com/kWrTz4f.jpg

[Defcon2]

Those maps are shit made by amateurs. Here is one made by a professional anthropologist based on the compilation of dozens of pigmentation studies made by local anthropologists:

https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe-map8a.jpg


The coloration in the Iberian Peninsula there is a certain correlation with the North African percentage.

https://i.imgur.com/ZYXe4Ey.png

[Token]

Lundman was somewhat better at it.

Pigmentation goes down from Estonia to Latvia, but he stretched it all the way down to Poland.

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Soviet anthropologists found the same thing - Latvians notably darker than Estonians.

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Lundman was one of the worse physical anthropologists ever so I will not trust him blindly, I need to see the sources he used to make this map. About the Soviet data, probably this is a compilation of studies based on different hair and eye color scales, which will inevitably cause distortions.

Here is what Coon says about Estonians:

The pigment character of the Esths is prevailingly blond, comparable to that of both Livs and Swedes; 56 per cent of the hair is called "fair," 43 per cent brown, and less than one per cent each are red and black. The eyes are blue in 25 per cent of cases, and gray in 51 per cent, while the brown class is said to include 13 per cent of the whole.

Latvians:

Pigmentation data on the Letts is abundant, and shows clearly that the Letts, as a group, are as blond as Swedes and Norwegians. The skin color, observed on the von Luschan chart, is uniformly fair, but rarely very vascular. The hair color is ash-blond in half the entire series, while the other half is more brown than golden blond. There seems to be very little black hair, and red totals less than one per cent. The distribution of hair color shows regional variations, of reversed concentric order, for the ash-blond hues are concentrated in the eastern half of the country, in the purest Lettish territory, while the western and coastal regions, occupied in earlier times by the enigmatic Kurs, is characterized by brown shades, especially on the golden side of the scale. The eye color of the Letts as a whole is predominantly light, with pure blues and grays totalling one-third, and predominantly light shades reaching between 57 per cent and 59 per cent; pure brown eyes are very rare, but dark-mixed eyes are not uncommon. On the whole, the hair color tends to be proportionately lighter than eve color.

Coon's data on the Balts comes from German anthropologists using standardized scales for hair and eye color.

[Russki]

Lundman was one of the worse physical anthropologists ever so I will not trust him blindly, I need to see the sources he used to make this map.


I will try to dig it.

[Urbanuss]

The coloration in the Iberian Peninsula there is a certain correlation with the North African percentage.

https://i.imgur.com/ZYXe4Ey.png

not so much, galicians (and asturians) are not as dark as shown on the map and the NA genes are quite old and in small numbers to influence the phenotype.

This map may be professional, but it is very likely outdated, not following the current reality, Galicians isnt, obviously, darker than northern moroccans, its BS.

NOTE: NA admixture in Basques? from muslims? Lel

[Lisyonok]

But baltics are not pure europeans :rotfl: 35-40% of baltics have siberian paternal origin (n1c):
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

And where are origins of "Germanic" R1b...

If we determined it by haplogroups, only group I would be real European. But actually most Europeans have R, N, J or even something more rare.

I still ask why Estonians have the highest rate of light eyes / hair if you think that they are partly dark-eyed, dark-haired Mongoloids?

[Septentrion]

I always thought it was maybe Central and Northern Germans or Dutch

The Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Belgians, Dutch, North-West Germans.

[Guti]

Basques are one of the most ancient Europeans.

[Fortnite777]

Swedes.

[Tooting Carmen]

Denmark?

[Tauromachos]

Cyprus

[Poseidon]

Cyprus

Tauromachos do you have any email.

[Jingle Bell]

Basques maybe? They are 100% Bell Beaker + ENF

[AA_Excellence]

Sardinians.