Ugrofinian results, maps and graphics... (N1)

[Rethel]

66613 66614 66615 66616

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66613&d=1503224277

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66614&d=1503224332

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66615&d=1503224387

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66616&d=1503224430

[Rethel]

66617 66618 66619 66620 66621

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66617&d=1503224706

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66618&d=1503224746

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66619&d=1503224766

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66620&d=1503224784

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66621&d=1503224809

[Rethel]

Maps are coming from here: http://qudro.blog.me/
Probably there is a lot about hg N...

[Rethel]

Also from there:

66623
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66623&d=1503225132

[Rethel]

66624

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66624&d=1503225277

[Rethel]

Almost 5% of N1 in Vietnam...

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66625&d=1503225434

[Rethel]

In Heimat remained only 6.13%...

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=66626&d=1503225802

[Rethel]

An article about Maris...

http://news.postimees.ee/4206443/scientists-overturn-meri-s-5-000-years-hypothesis

[Böri]

https://i.hizliresim.com/1gO1Bb.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/1gO1Bb)

Peak in north Cameroon. Garoua region.
https://i.hizliresim.com/pWJyaz.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/pWJyaz)

American soldiers with fellow R1b's in Garoua
https://i.hizliresim.com/VMWoGq.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/VMWoGq)

Most likely R1b cotton field workers in same region
https://i.hizliresim.com/BA7Jnj.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/BA7Jnj)

[Rethel]

R1

Are you not normal, or you have probelms with basic reading?

I repeat for you and other members of special care. The title of the thread sounds:

"Ugrofinian results, maps and graphics... (N1)"

[Rethel]

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/11/ancient-genomes-from-ne-europe-suggest.html

Ancient genomes from NE Europe suggest in tandem spread of
Siberian admixture and Uralic languages into the region >3,500 ya

Max Planck's Thiseas Christos Lamnidis recently tweeted this image of a part of a poster that he's presenting on the population history of Northeastern (NE) Europe at the Human Evolution 2017 conference in Cambridge, UK (for the tweet see here):


If you can't make out the text in the image, this is what the introduction says:

European history has been shaped by migrations, and subsequent admixture. Evidence points to migrations linked to the advent of agriculture, and the spread of Indo-European languages [a b]. Little is known about the ancient population history of NE Europeans, specifically Uralic speakers. Here we analyse eleven ancient genomes from Finland and NW Russia and a high-coverage modern Saami genome, and show that northern Europe was shaped by gene flow from Siberia that began at least 3,500 ya. Today, this ancestry is found in modern populations of the region, especially Uralic speakers. Additionally, we show that ancestors of the Saami inhabited a larger territory in Finland during the Iron Age than today.


It's intriguing to me that Max Planck is looking so closely at these issues now, because back in 2015 I ripped into Max Planck's Paul Heggarty for some comments that he made about the potential link between Yamnaya-related admixture and Uralic languages (see here). This is what I said back then (emphasis is mine):

These are exceedingly naive and stupid comments from someone representing the Max Planck Institute. Perhaps as an ardent supporter of the Anatolian hypothesis he's feeling more than a little desperate at this point and clutching at straws? That's because anyone with even a basic grasp of European linguistics and genetics should know that:

- present-day Hungarians and Estonians speak Uralic languages, but they are of course overwhelmingly of Indo-European origin, which is easily seen in their genome-wide and uniparental DNA

- other Uralic speakers, further to the north and east, in the forest zone away from Indo-European influence, are clearly distinct from the vast majority of Indo-European speaking Europeans, because they show significant levels of recent Siberian ancestry, which was missing among the Yamnaya and Corded Ware people, and appears to be an Uralic-specific genetic signature

- therefore, it's highly unlikely that Uralic-speakers were also part of the Yamnaya > Corded Ware movement; rather, early Uralics in all likelihood began to move west across the forest zone well after the Yamnaya and related expansions from the steppe.


All of this is probably just a remarkable coincidence, but in any case, it's nice to see that the good people at the Max Planck institute are now beginning to understand the processes that have shaped the genetics and linguistics of NE Europe.