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Sikeliot
08-23-2017, 02:24 AM
1. Low North African
2. Lower SW Asian than the rest of the island
3. Low Caucasian affinity
4. Higher North European and Atlanto-Med
5. Closer to mainland Greeks than to islanders

This is more similar to some mainland Greeks and is definitely not the standard type of result you see on most of the island. This has been a trend for this part of the island, but it is just interesting.

It kind of makes sense because they have had the least MENA influences of all the Sicilians... Phoenicians never settled there, fewer assimilated Jews, and it resisted Arabization.


MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.60
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.95
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 14.01
4 Near_East 8.86
5 South_Central_Asian 6.56
6 North_African 6.15
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.28


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 3.394095
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.035500
3 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 4.501669
4 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 4.803474
5 Ashkenazi_ @ 5.764180
6 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 5.801040
7 Sicilian_East_ @ 5.936358
8 Maltese_ @ 6.391147
9 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.128969
10 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 7.548958
11 Central_Greek_ @ 8.149553
12 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 8.303724
13 Greek_Athens_ @ 8.349752
14 Sicilian_Center_ @ 8.578565
15 Italian_South_ @ 8.635184
16 French_Jew_ @ 8.691345
17 Cretan_ @ 8.698930
18 Greek_Northwest_ @ 8.751275
19 Greek_ @ 8.808616
20 Greek_Thessaly_ @ 9.394357

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Jew_ +50% Greek_Northwest_ @ 2.436080



Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.68
2 West_Med 17.78
3 Atlantic 17.25
4 West_Asian 15.27
5 North_Sea 12.82
6 Red_Sea 5.12
7 Baltic 3.47
8 Sub-Saharan 1.73
9 Eastern_Euro 1.66
10 Northeast_African 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 3.56
2 West_Sicilian 5.74
3 East_Sicilian 6.09
4 Central_Greek 6.3
5 South_Italian 6.96
6 Tuscan 7.33
7 Ashkenazi 9.1
8 Greek 10.08
9 Greek_Thessaly 10.09
10 Italian_Jewish 10.91
11 Sephardic_Jewish 11.74
12 Algerian_Jewish 12.63
13 North_Italian 13.46
14 Bulgarian 15.99
15 Tunisian_Jewish 16.22
16 Romanian 17.45
17 Libyan_Jewish 17.83
18 Cyprian 18.92
19 Spanish_Extremadura 19.81
20 Serbian 20.11

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.5% Yoruban @ 3.06
2 98.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.6% Mandenka @ 3.06
3 98.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.6% Bantu_S.W. @ 3.07
4 98.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.6% Bantu_S.E. @ 3.07
5 98.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.7% Biaka_Pygmy @ 3.09
6 98.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.7% Luhya @ 3.11
7 98.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.7% Bantu_N.E. @ 3.12
8 80.2% Tuscan + 19.8% Armenian @ 3.12
9 98.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.7% Mbuti_Pygmy @ 3.14
10 80.4% Tuscan + 19.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.21
11 98.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.7% San @ 3.21
12 94.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 5.1% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.26
13 79.9% Tuscan + 20.1% Assyrian @ 3.28
14 95.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 4.2% Sardinian @ 3.29
15 98.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.5% Sudanese @ 3.3
16 95% Italian_Abruzzo + 5% Algerian @ 3.32
17 98.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.4% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 3.34
18 95.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 4.2% Moroccan @ 3.36
19 95.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 4.6% Tunisian @ 3.36
20 98.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 1.4% Sandawe @ 3.39


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Med 31.97
2 Caucasus 29.1
3 North_European 14.95
4 Southwest_Asian 10.26
5 Gedrosia 8.46
6 Northwest_African 3.39
7 Sub_Saharan 1.24
8 East_African 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 C_Italian (Dodecad) 5.95
2 O_Italian (Dodecad) 7.53
3 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.37
4 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.49
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 8.73
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 9.11
7 Greek (Dodecad) 11.08
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 12.35
9 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 12.59
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 14.22
11 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.24
12 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 14.64
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.45
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 20.92
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 21.24
16 Romanians (Behar) 21.84
17 Baleares (1000Genomes) 22.96
18 Canarias (1000Genomes) 23.71
19 Galicia (1000Genomes) 24.08
20 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 24.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 41.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.38
2 60.1% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 39.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.43
3 58.8% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 41.2% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.47
4 56.5% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 43.5% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.61
5 59.4% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 40.6% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 2.73
6 92% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 8% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.74
7 58.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 41.1% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 2.81
8 59% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 41% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 2.88
9 67.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 32.6% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.93
10 58.4% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 41.6% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.95
11 64.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 35.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.97
12 73.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 26.7% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 2.98
13 66.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 33.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 2.99
14 55.2% Spanish (Dodecad) + 44.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.99
15 93% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3
16 58.9% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 41.1% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.01
17 92.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 7.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.07
18 68.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 31.4% French (HGDP) @ 3.1
19 53.6% Cantabria (1000Genomes) + 46.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.13
20 73.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 26.3% British (Dodecad) @ 3.14


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 39.32
2 West_Asia 23.34
3 NE_Europe 18.71
4 SW_Asia 14.13
5 East_Africa 1.45
6 West_Africa 1.02
7 Siberia 0.8
8 South_Africa 0.39
9 South_Asia 0.32
10 SE_Asia 0.3
11 Americas 0.2
12 Oceania 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 3.31
2 Ashkenazy_Jew 3.58
3 Italian_Sicilian 3.79
4 Greek_Central 4.8
5 Sephardic_Jew 8.24
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.38
7 Albanian 8.94
8 Italian_Tuscan 10.17
9 Kosovar 10.32
10 Bulgarian 15.3
11 Macedonian 15.53
12 Italian_Bergamo 15.96
13 Cypriot 16.52
14 Turkish 16.65
15 Romanian 17.73
16 Montenegrin 18.39
17 Turkish_Aydin 18.76
18 Turkish_Kayseri 19.15
19 Serbian 20.89
20 Syrian 21.28

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Italian_Sicilian + 28.6% Albanian @ 1.38
2 89.2% Italian_Sicilian + 10.8% German_South @ 1.43
3 90.3% Italian_Sicilian + 9.7% Scottish @ 1.45
4 90.4% Italian_Sicilian + 9.6% Orcadian @ 1.48
5 90.1% Italian_Sicilian + 9.9% English @ 1.49
6 90.6% Italian_Sicilian + 9.4% Irish @ 1.5
7 70.3% Italian_Sicilian + 29.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 1.51
8 89.5% Italian_Sicilian + 10.5% Belgian @ 1.54
9 90.7% Italian_Sicilian + 9.3% Utahn_European @ 1.54
10 74.4% Italian_Sicilian + 25.6% Italian_Tuscan @ 1.55
11 88.5% Italian_Sicilian + 11.5% French @ 1.55
12 74.7% Italian_Sicilian + 25.3% Kosovar @ 1.57
13 91.8% Italian_Sicilian + 8.2% Norwegian @ 1.59
14 81.8% Italian_Sicilian + 18.2% Macedonian @ 1.61
15 92.2% Italian_Sicilian + 7.8% Swedish @ 1.65
16 85.9% Italian_Sicilian + 14.1% Serbian @ 1.65
17 91.1% Italian_Sicilian + 8.9% German_North @ 1.65
18 88.6% Italian_Sicilian + 11.4% Croatian @ 1.67
19 89.5% Italian_Sicilian + 10.5% Hungarian @ 1.67
20 81.7% Italian_Sicilian + 18.3% Bulgarian @ 1.68


Eurasia K9 ASI:
# Population Percent
1 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 27.74
2 WHG 24.83
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 20.71
4 SW_Asian 18.66
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 5.94
6 W_African 1.68
7 Siberian_E_Asian 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.61
2 Sicilian 5.66
3 Albanian 6.68
4 Maltese 7.28
5 Tuscan 7.55
6 Bulgarian 10.87
7 Spanish 16.63
8 Turkish 17.03
9 Cypriot 19.01
10 Croatian 19.53
11 Kumyk 20.57
12 French 20.71
13 Adygei 21.09
14 Hungarian 22.51
15 Chechen 22.65
16 French_South 22.7
17 Lebanese 23.28
18 Armenian 24.43
19 Druze 24.51
20 Syrian 24.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Spanish + 38.9% Georgian_Jew @ 1.59
2 68.4% Bulgarian + 31.6% Lebanese @ 1.63
3 69.5% Bulgarian + 30.5% Druze @ 1.75
4 59.6% Spanish + 40.4% Armenian @ 1.98
5 63% Spanish + 37% Iranian_Jew @ 2.06
6 57.5% Cypriot + 42.5% English @ 2.07
7 69.7% Bulgarian + 30.3% Syrian @ 2.07
8 70.4% Bulgarian + 29.6% Jordanian @ 2.1
9 72.1% Bulgarian + 27.9% Iraqi_Jew @ 2.15
10 53.5% French_South + 46.5% Georgian_Jew @ 2.21
11 64% Bulgarian + 36% Cypriot @ 2.35
12 54.3% Cypriot + 45.7% Hungarian @ 2.4
13 62.2% Cypriot + 37.8% Icelandic @ 2.48
14 55.4% French_South + 44.6% Iranian_Jew @ 2.49
15 54.3% French + 45.7% Druze @ 2.53
16 62% Spanish + 38% Kurd_N @ 2.54
17 50.7% Cypriot + 49.3% Croatian @ 2.65
18 59.1% Cypriot + 40.9% Czech @ 2.66
19 60.7% Cypriot + 39.3% Norwegian @ 2.69
20 58.2% Cypriot + 41.8% Scottish @ 2.74


Ancient Eurasia K6:
# Population Percent
1 Natufian 46.63
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 30.31
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.45
4 Sub_Saharan 2.61

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 2.83
2 Sicilian 3.23
3 Albanian 4.25
4 Italian_South 4.66
5 Jew_Ashkenazi 5.17
6 Bulgarian 7.85
7 Jew_Moroccan 8.96
8 Romanian 9.74
9 Jew_Libyan 10.7
10 Armenia_ChL 11.02
11 Jew_Tunisian 11.4
12 Croatian 13.5
13 Spanish 14.31
14 Cypriot 14.51
15 Turkish 14.77
16 Hungarian 16.53
17 French 16.65
18 Kumyk 17.29
19 Adygei 17.42
20 Lebanese 17.51

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.1% Sicilian + 7.9% Steppe_EMBA @ 1.41
2 94.4% Sicilian + 5.6% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 1.56
3 89.8% Sicilian + 10.2% Steppe_MLBA @ 1.65
4 92.3% Greek + 7.7% Yemeni @ 1.69
5 54.9% Czech + 45.1% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.72
6 50.3% Icelandic + 49.7% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.72
7 69.9% Jew_Moroccan + 30.1% Norwegian @ 1.73
8 52.8% Norwegian + 47.2% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.75
9 96.6% Sicilian + 3.4% EHG @ 1.78
10 52% French + 48% Druze @ 1.78
11 54.7% English + 45.3% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.8
12 72.6% Jew_Moroccan + 27.4% Europe_LNBA @ 1.81
13 91.2% Greek + 8.8% Egyptian @ 1.82
14 82.7% Druze + 17.3% Hungarian_KO1 @ 1.88
15 82.7% Druze + 17.3% WHG @ 1.88
16 82.4% Albanian + 17.6% Syrian @ 1.89
17 61.7% Spanish + 38.3% Jew_iraqi @ 1.9
18 96.9% Greek + 3.1% Somali @ 1.9
19 97.7% Greek + 2.3% Masai @ 1.91
20 69% Jew_Moroccan + 31% Ukrainian @ 1.91


Near East Neolithic K13:
# Population Percent
1 CHG_EEF 36.93
2 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 17.43
3 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 15.14
4 NATUFIAN 13.46
5 EHG 7.48
6 SHG_WHG 7.15
7 SUB_SAHARAN 1.34
8 PAPUAN 0.63
9 POLAR 0.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek 4.54
2 Sicilian 6.21
3 Jew_Ashkenazi 6.29
4 Italian_South 6.33
5 Albanian 7.45
6 Bulgarian 10.37
7 Turkish_Istanbul 10.86
8 Turkish 12.46
9 Romanian 13.04
10 Jew_Moroccan 13.99
11 Turkish_Balekesir 14.9
12 Turkish_Aydin 16.4
13 Turkish_Adana 16.76
14 Cypriot 16.79
15 Turkish_Kayseri 17.5
16 Croatian 17.86
17 Balkar 18.84
18 Kumyk 19.3
19 Jew_Tunisian 19.42
20 French 19.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.6% Bulgarian + 30.4% Druze @ 2.31
2 62.2% Cypriot + 37.8% Icelandic @ 2.37
3 59.1% Cypriot + 40.9% Czech @ 2.41
4 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Jew_iraqi @ 2.49
5 62% Cypriot + 38% Norwegian @ 2.5
6 59.8% Cypriot + 40.2% Ukrainian @ 2.51
7 51.6% Cypriot + 48.4% Croatian @ 2.58
8 54.7% Cypriot + 45.3% Hungarian @ 2.59
9 72% Bulgarian + 28% Jew_iraqi @ 2.63
10 58.8% Cypriot + 41.2% English @ 2.71
11 59% Cypriot + 41% Scottish @ 2.77
12 56.9% French + 43.1% Jew_iraqi @ 2.84
13 59.3% Croatian + 40.7% Jew_iraqi @ 2.93
14 87.1% Greek + 12.9% Lezgin @ 2.96
15 72% Bulgarian + 28% Jew_Iranian @ 3
16 86.3% Greek + 13.7% Chechen @ 3
17 64.5% Romanian + 35.5% Druze @ 3.02
18 84.9% Greek + 15.1% Kumyk @ 3.03
19 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Jew_Iranian @ 3.08
20 87.8% Greek + 12.2% Syrian @ 3.1

Tauromachos
08-23-2017, 02:27 AM
This the part of Sicily where Syracuse is located where Archimidis was from.:)

Sikeliot
08-23-2017, 02:31 AM
This the part of Sicily where Syracuse is located where Archimidis was from.:)

Yes. It is the part of the island with the least historical Near Eastern input, evident in the results. They also shift quite toward Eastern Europe and Balkan countries.

Tauromachos
08-23-2017, 04:38 AM
Yes. It is the part of the island with the least historical Near Eastern input, evident in the results....

+1 :thumb001:

Sikeliot
08-23-2017, 04:40 AM
+1 :thumb001:

It would suggest to me that some (though not all) of the Northeast European in Greeks is native and not Slavic, and I would guess Peloponnesians, if you removed any Slavic they may have mixed in, would be close to this result.

Tauromachos
08-23-2017, 04:46 AM
It would suggest to me that some (though not all) of the Northeast European in Greeks is native and not Slavic, and I would guess Peloponnesians, if you removed any Slavic they may have mixed in, would be close to this result.

Since it exists in these Sicilians also it would make sense.

Sikeliot
08-23-2017, 10:50 PM
Since it exists in these Sicilians also it would make sense.

My guess is this result is close to pre-Slavic but Doric admixed Greeks.

Peterski
08-23-2017, 10:53 PM
Maybe with some recent Non-Sicilian ancestry?

Sikeliot
08-23-2017, 10:55 PM
Maybe with some recent Non-Sicilian ancestry?

No, I don't think so. All of the Syracusans and half of the people from Ragusa I have score this way (the other half of Ragusa is exotic).

Alessio
08-23-2017, 11:00 PM
Okay, what would you make of this then:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.47
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.1
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.5
4 Near_East 11.45
5 North_African 7.75
6 South_Central_Asian 5.08
7 Ancestral_Altaic 0.94
8 Melano_Polynesian 0.41
9 Australoid 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 2.64
2 French_Jew ( ) 2.78
3 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 2.94
4 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 3.05
5 Maltese ( ) 3.79
6 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 3.83
7 Sicilian_East ( ) 3.91
8 Sicilian_West ( ) 4.22
9 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 4.34
10 Italian_Jew ( ) 4.45
11 Turk_Jew ( ) 4.85
12 Ashkenazi ( ) 5.93
13 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 6.66
14 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 6.89
15 Greek_Northwest ( ) 7.1
16 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 7.45
17 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 7.88
18 Kosovar ( ) 8.15
19 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 8.31
20 Romanian_Jew ( ) 8.32

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 29.61
2 West_Med 19.43
3 West_Asian 13.73
4 Atlantic 12.71
5 North_Sea 10.32
6 Red_Sea 5.92
7 Baltic 5.14
8 Eastern_Euro 2.99
9 Northeast_African 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 3.36
2 East_Sicilian 3.82
3 Central_Greek 4.02
4 Italian_Jewish 6.36
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.44
6 Ashkenazi 6.45
7 West_Sicilian 6.47
8 Sephardic_Jewish 8.05
9 Algerian_Jewish 8.2
10 Greek 9.62
11 Greek_Thessaly 9.69
12 Tuscan 10.93
13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.3
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.28
15 Cyprian 14.01
16 North_Italian 17.38
17 Bulgarian 17.5
18 Lebanese_Muslim 18.06
19 Syrian 18.87
20 Romanian 19.56

Sikeliot
08-23-2017, 11:02 PM
Okay, what would you make of this then:

It is less removed. Southeast Sicilians have the least MENA on the island and are the only region consistently closer to mainland rather than island Greeks.

Alessio
08-23-2017, 11:05 PM
It is less removed. Southeast Sicilians have the least MENA on the island and are the only region consistently closer to mainland rather than island Greeks.

''Less removed'' as in?
you don't even know the roots of the sample I used.
I see where you're getting to though, as I think you're on to something. Although I think there's no significant difference betwen mainland south Italians and Sicilians, except the SSA and North African score that is mostly higher in Sicilians and Maltese.

Sikeliot
08-23-2017, 11:09 PM
''Less removed'' as in?
you don't even know the roots of the sample I used.
I see where you're getting to though, as I think you're on to something. Although I think there's no significant difference betwen mainland south Italians and Sicilians, except the SSA and North African score that is mostly higher in Sicilians and Maltese.


Apulia is close to SE Sicily but significantly northward shifted of other parts of the island. Calabria is more or less close to Messina/Catania.