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brennus dux gallorum
08-25-2017, 12:36 PM
Next-door Saudi Arabia is a rich country, so I think their future would be much better as a part of Saudi Arabia, which, after all, has the same ethnic identity

Wouldn't a union be a better solution than millions of people suffering from malnutrition?

Discuss

Wadaad
08-25-2017, 12:37 PM
Why does FYROM exist?

brennus dux gallorum
08-25-2017, 12:40 PM
Why does FYROM exist?
Because they feel different from their Bulgarian fellows, no matter if in fact they have zero difference

I don't think that any Yemeni, on the other hand, identifies as "non-Arab"

Wadaad
08-25-2017, 12:48 PM
Because they feel different from their Bulgarian fellows, no matter if in fact they have zero difference

I don't think that any Yemeni, on the other hand, identifies as "non-Arab"

The answer to this is very simple

Yemen had a kingdom in the North from the 1600s onwards based on Zaidi-Shia rulers. They are the predecessors of the Houthi rebels today and was called the Mutawakil dynasty. This Monarchy ruled the mountains of North Yemen. The coast belonged to the Ottomans, until the British took them in the 1800s to form the protectorate of South Yemen/Aden

When ibn Saud was conquering Arabia, he tried to conquer Yemen...much of southern Saudi Arabia is historically part of Yemen (Asir region, Najran and Baha are all part of Yemen cultural sphere, and Najran had christians and jews well into the 20th century btw). He couldnt take more than what he took, and ofcourse he knew not to attack the Britich colonies of South Yemen, same way he didnt attack the British colonies in the trucial states (now Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, etc) Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait. So ibn Saud signed a treaty with kingdom of Yemen in 1932 to mark their borders.


In the 1960s...The marxists were fighting the royalists in Yemen, and Saudi came on the side of the royalists (who we call Houthis today) while Egypt was on the side of the South Yemeni marxists (Gamal Abdel Nasser's pan-Arabism). Now there are no royalists or marxists, just tribal units and sects, all the fancy ideologies are dropped and we are reduced to the common denominator of race/tribe/sect.

Egyptian
08-25-2017, 01:11 PM
Why Libya (twice the size of Egypt) and population of 5 millions is separate from Egypt?

Why Sudan (which is historically part of Egypt) took independence from Egypt?

every nation has its own right to be free even if they are poor.

brennus dux gallorum
08-25-2017, 01:27 PM
Why Libya (twice the size of Egypt) and population of 5 millions is separate from Egypt?

Why Sudan (which is historically part of Egypt) took independence from Egypt?

every nation has its own right to be free even if they are poor.

I agree, but I repeat: what Is so different between a Yemeni and a Saudi

I respect all waadad has formulated and recognize that for historical reasons Yemen survived as separated from Saudi Arabia

But now, that things are different and too many people have died, I think it's time to think of a union

Egyptian
08-25-2017, 01:34 PM
I agree, but I repeat: what Is so different between a Yemeni and a Saudi

I respect all waadad has formulated and recognize that for historical reasons Yemen survived as separated from Saudi Arabia

But now, that things are different and too many people have died, I think it's time to think of a union

Al-saud don't know look at it like that.. they care about money and monarchy not about the suffering of other people (that's what I think).

plus a full union between saudia and yemen will make the houthi infiltrate to Saudia and do crimes there (as they are loyal to Iran).

Wadaad
08-25-2017, 01:35 PM
I agree, but I repeat: what Is so different between a Yemeni and a Saudi

I respect all waadad has formulated and recognize that for historical reasons Yemen survived as separated from Saudi Arabia

But now, that things are different and too many people have died, I think it's time to think of a union

Yemen was always a distinct region of Arabia (Sheba, Himyar, Arabia Felix, etc)...like Macedonia of Greece, its why I brought up FYROM.

Yemen in Arabic means "Right Side of.."

and Sham (Levant) means "Left Side of..."


the "of" being Arabia proper

wvwvw
08-25-2017, 01:52 PM
Why Libya (twice the size of Egypt) and population of 5 millions is separate from Egypt?

Why Sudan (which is historically part of Egypt) took independence from Egypt?

every nation has its own right to be free even if they are poor.

99% of Libya is desert

Egyptian
08-25-2017, 05:30 PM
99% of Libya is desert

+ A lot of OIL.

brennus dux gallorum
08-27-2017, 02:57 PM
OK let me ask something else. Would a union with Arabia nowadays be possible?

Egyptian
08-27-2017, 04:48 PM
OK let me ask something else. Would a union with Arabia nowadays be possible?

Yeah, If they accept the leadership by Egypt otherwise we don't follow anyone.

brennus dux gallorum
08-27-2017, 04:57 PM
Yeah, If they accept the leadership by Egypt otherwise we don't follow anyone.

I was talking about Yemen, thanks for answering anyway

StonyArabia
08-27-2017, 05:07 PM
OK let me ask something else. Would a union with Arabia nowadays be possible?

No because the west will never allow a unified Arabia. Iraq tried to do it and failed miserably due to American and British efforts with some European to, and the monarchies who did not want to lose their power. Iraq had annexed Kuwait and would likely have annexed most of the peninsula. A strong Arabia is a threat to the West and its proxy Israel. Hence Iraq was taught a lesson in 2003. Now with the idiots running the country it's unlikely to be a unified Arabia. Iraq itself might be splitting. Unity can happen if the west does not put its nose in our affairs. Not even Iran can stand in our way, since we annexed land from them, and ultimately they lost because they asked for a ceasefire. The Anglo Americans empowered Iran and its proxies in the region. Would I like to see a unified and strong Arabia of course but this is not going to happen when Anglo-Americans and Israelis are in power.

Phenix
09-12-2018, 03:48 PM
No because the west will never allow a unified Arabia. Iraq tried to do it and failed miserably due to American and British efforts with some European to, and the monarchies who did not want to lose their power. Iraq had annexed Kuwait and would likely have annexed most of the peninsula. A strong Arabia is a threat to the West and its proxy Israel. Hence Iraq was taught a lesson in 2003. Now with the idiots running the country it's unlikely to be a unified Arabia. Iraq itself might be splitting. Unity can happen if the west does not put its nose in our affairs. Not even Iran can stand in our way, since we annexed land from them, and ultimately they lost because they asked for a ceasefire. The Anglo Americans empowered Iran and its proxies in the region. Would I like to see a unified and strong Arabia of course but this is not going to happen when Anglo-Americans and Israelis are in power.

Agreed, but one little contrariness: the West is a proxy to Israel and not the other way around.

KMack
09-13-2018, 05:29 PM
OK let me ask something else. Would a union with Arabia nowadays be possible?

I thought the Houthis or another rebel groups attacked what was considered the government of Yemen, Hadi. I think the president too off to SA.
There is like 4 or 5 groups attacking each other. It is complicated.