A question for autosomalotards and other racists.

[Rethel]

Poles are:

5% East Baltids
5% Uralids
8% Nordics
10% Dinarids
15% Alpines
20% Subnordics and Norics
37% Neo-Danubians

Which ones are real Poles?

According to you all, they all cannot be true
Poles, becasue they are of different races...

The same with au - on the east is different than on the west, aso.

So, who is the real Pole?

[RN97]

The nordics cuz nordics wuz errthang n sheeit

[Smitty]

Since when does classification = race?

[Rethel]

Since when does classification = race?

Since anthropologists said it.

[Peterski]

But all of those are Caucasoid types.

[Smitty]

Since anthropologists said it.

Yet no one goes by what anthropologists may have said. Nearly everybody knows to what race and ethnicity, or mixture thereof, he belongs. Looks are secondary. You know you're Polish because you've been raised to know it, not because you look it and, no, not because you're R1a either.

[Asher]

Poles are:

5% East Baltids
5% Uralids
8% Nordics
10% Dinarids
15% Alpines
20% Subnordics and Norics
37% Neo-Danubians

Which ones are real Poles?

According to you all, they all cannot be true
Poles, becasue they are of different races...

The same with au - on the east is different than on the west, aso.

So, who is the real Pole?

When you phrase a question with a preemptive assumption against those who might potentially answer as being retarded or racist, you have already nullified any productive discussion that could have been and made the entire endeavor futile. Your question is phrased in an incoherent, entropic manner making it entirely impossible to even answer if someone did desire to do so. Frankly, your question makes negligible sense at its onset and absolutely none at its closing.

[TEUTORIGOS]

When you phrase a question with a preemptive assumption against those who might potentially answer as being retarded or racist, you have already nullified any productive discussion that could have been and made the entire endeavor futile. Your question is phrased in an incoherent, entropic manner making it entirely impossible to even answer if someone did desire to do so. Frankly, your question makes negligible sense at its onset and absolutely none at its closing.

Well said sir : couldn't have sad it better and more tersely, myself.

https://media.giphy.com/media/UTT6QbG4EPOIE/giphy.gif

[Rethel]

But all of those are Caucasoid types.

Doesn't matter, it is only a level.

But if it is so, then I understand, that Waada would be
seen as fully polish, becasue he is a caucasian type?

Or some Saudi? Or a mix of?


Yet no one goes by what anthropologists may have said. Nearly everybody knows to what race and ethnicity, or mixture thereof, he belongs. Looks are secondary. You know you're Polish because you've been raised to know it, not because you look it and, no, not because you're R1a either.

But I just show, that "this what everybody knows" is a mixture itself, and can be separated.
And this is much deeper division, than Nordic German + Nordic Pole. If such mix would be a mix,
then sepatare types in one group are much more diviaded or mixed (depends from which point
of view you wish to see it).


Your question is phrased in an incoherent, entropic manner making it entirely impossible to even answer if someone did desire to do so. Frankly, your question makes negligible sense at its onset and absolutely none at its closing.

Becasue it suppose to be like that, to show, how deluded you are here.
If you saw this, then there is a hope for you, a small, but is :)

[Smitty]

But I just show, that "this what everybody knows" is a mixture itself, and can be separated.
And this is much deeper division, than Nordic German + Nordic Pole. If such mix would be a mix,
then sepatare types in one group are much more diviaded or mixed (depends from which point
of view you wish to see it).

The mixture to which you refer is based on Gedmatch divisions, I guess. I consider that speculation, but of course, different groups mixed in the past to form the groups we know today. Nonetheless, that doesn't change the fact that the groups we know today are generally well-defined, some moreso than others. Some groups, like the Jews, are more inclusive. Some, like say Albanian maybe, are more exclusive. And then there are the recently mixed groups, like Euromutt Americans or triracial Latin Americans. But rarely is there doubt as to what group one belongs to. I think you're trying to create confusion where there is none. People know to what ethnicity they belong because, whatever mixtures occurred in the past, they've been forgotten or have stabilized to the point that they define the present-day populations. It's like asking "What is water?" because water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen.

[Rethel]

People know to what ethnicity they belong

Mentally castrated TA-tards do not know.

[Petalpusher]

You re confusing admixture and the manifestation of said admixture.

[Antimage]

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[Smitty]

Mentally castrated TA-tards do not know.

What are you talking about? Mixed members aside, everyone here knows whether he is English or Italian or Swedish or Bulgarian. In fact, you're the one whose identity might have changed entirely if your yDNA had come out as anything other than R1a.

[Antimage]

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[Leto]

What are you talking about? Mixed members aside, everyone here knows whether he is English or Italian or Swedish or Bulgarian. In fact, you're the one whose identity might have changed entirely if your yDNA had come out as anything other than R1a.
He's the one with a fake made up identity here. Who the eff would seriously identify as Indo-European? According to him, the Polish don't exist, but Indo-Europeans do. In 2017.

[Antimage]

Poles are:

5% East Baltids
5% Uralids
8% Nordics
10% Dinarids
15% Alpines
20% Subnordics and Norics
37% Neo-Danubians

Which ones are real Poles?
All of them.


According to you all, they all cannot be true
Poles, becasue they are of different races...
Nobody said this


The same with au - on the east is different than on the west, aso.

So, who is the real Pole? Whoever identify as polish and is seen as polish by other Poles.

[Rethel]

What are you talking about? Mixed members aside, everyone here knows whether he is English or Italian or Swedish or Bulgarian.

Not all.
And they are saying nonsenses about other people than themselves.


In fact, you're the one whose identity might have changed entirely if your yDNA had come out as anything other than R1a.

It depends on which level.

[Rethel]

All of them.

Not to someone who is raving about purity and mixes with schizophrenia.


Nobody said this

Really, read carefully, what is written on this forum.


Whoever identify as polish and is seen as polish by other Poles.

So, can I now identify as Hungarian? Will be I the true arpadian conqueror?

[Insuperable]

A question appropriate for a haplotard.

[Rethel]

He's the one with a fake made up identity here. Who the eff would seriously identify as Indo-European? According to him, the Polish don't exist, but Indo-Europeans do. In 2017.

Said a guy who is ashamed of his father and grandfather, hating other
people and pretending to be überrussian, when he is not russian at all,
but a "Pole" from Belarus with probable jewish traces... :picard2:


According to him, the Polish don't exist

And where and when did I say it? :picard2:

[Rethel]

A question appropriate for a haplotard.

Such kind have no probles with who is who. does not count percentages to decide
who can be or can be not, and do not devide sons from ther fathers, and fathers
from their sons, neither are ashamed of them. So, you missed the point.

[Smitty]

Not all.
And they are saying nonsenses about other people than themselves.

Well, I would need some specifics. I don't know whom or what you're referring to.




It depends on which level.

I don't know to what extent you equate yDNA with Polishness. But you're accusing the rest of us of having a shaky identity if any at all, when our identities are based on pretty stable, socially agreed upon definitions. They won't change with dubious DNA test results. Or at least, for Europeans they won't. The same cannot be said for someone who emphasizes yDNA to the extent you do.

[Antimage]

Not to someone who is raving about purity and mixes with schizophrenia.
Who and where are these people that don't consider subnordid nordid med baltid etc poles equally polish?




Really, read carefully, what is written on this forum.

:confused::shrug:


So, can I now identify as Hungarian? Will be I the true arpadian conqueror?

Do we really need to go through this? If on the Polish census you can identify as hungarian, then yes. Then again you don't speak hungarian and will be a foreigner to hungarians for this reason. I gave 2 criterias, not one, but apparently you overlooked it.

[Lucas]

Poles are:

5% East Baltids
5% Uralids
8% Nordics
10% Dinarids
15% Alpines
20% Subnordics and Norics
37% Neo-Danubians



Nope. Those frequencies are McCulloch stats, made up by him who knows in what way.
Modified by some Internet Polish user but still made up. Note that there isn't any Pontid, North-Pontid here. Because it was made up about 15 years ago when those phenos weren't known on Internet:)

True racial stats from Michalski 1949, based on anthro survey of 35 000 Polish recruits (in '30). Names of types according to Polish Antrhpological School.

47,6% - Subnordic (consisted of blond or medium colored brachycephal phenos known as Noric, Baltids, Neo-Danubian and Sub-Nordic per se)
17,8% - North-Western (what is known here as North-Pontid, with much smaller portion of Pontid)
6,1% - Dinaric
5,5% - Alpine (and what is known here as Gorid)
4,4% - Baltic (it's not forum Baltid, but rather East-Baltid / Borreby, sub-brachycephal to mesocephal wide faced and medium nosed light pigmented type, with local NE-Euro CM derivation)
3,78% - Uralid (Chukhonic in original nomenclature but nobody knows this name here)
2,9% - Sub-Lapponoid (could be in most part similar to Alpine-Med or rather Gorid-Pontid here).
2,8% - true Nordic
2,56% - Atlantic (the name is for different type, than used on this forum. CM-Med / Pontid mix, similar to Paleo-Atlantid maybe )
1,73% - Teutonic (Nordic-CM mix)
1,3% - Pseudo-Alpinoid (CM-ized Dinaroids)
1,1% - Littoral (Dinaricized Med/ Pontid)

[kingjohn]

[QUOTE=Rethel;4604245]Said a guy who is ashamed of his father and grandfather, hating other
people and pretending to be überrussian, when he is not russian at all,
but a "Pole" from Belarus with probable jewish traces... :picard2:

that would explain why he is smart
i will not expose here the amount of non jewish poles who match my father in ftdna family finder
many poles have some aschenazi jewish segments

p.s

i truly don't understand why the hate but if it make you feal good you may continue
now between us did ever jew hurt you in Poland or did something bad to you ?
just wonder want to understand why the blind hate here ....

[Rethel]

Nope. Those frequencies are McCulloch stats, made up by him who knows in what way.

Doesn;t matter.
Dokładność of %% is not the point here.

[Rethel]

I don't know to what extent you equate yDNA with Polishness.

If you do not know, do not made up fictional statements of me, especially when I allready said, many time that to none.


But you're accusing the rest of us of having a shaky identity if any at all,

Of course - if someone is counting some idiotic percentages how many
intestils he has from some region, then he has no identity and is an idiot.
The same if he is claiming, that he is something, becasue granny was... :picard2:


when our identities are based on pretty stable, socially agreed upon definitions. They won't change with dubious DNA test results. Or at least, for Europeans they won't.

Yea, sure, try harder to convinst me, after all disscussions which had
place here, especially, when one guy jere went so far, than even
ethnographic groups are depending on % of nobody knows what.


The same cannot be said for someone who emphasizes yDNA to the extent you do.

You allready admitted, that you do not know, to what extent I emphesize it
and what and where, so please stop this fictional, made up by you statements
which you are disscussing with, becasue they are not mine, but yours.

[Rethel]

Who and where are these people that don't consider subnordid nordid med baltid etc poles equally polish?

You missed the point.


Do we really need to go through this? If on the Polish census you can identify as hungarian, then yes. Then again you don't speak hungarian and will be a foreigner to hungarians for this reason. I gave 2 criterias, not one, but apparently you overlooked it.

Ok, I will learn hungarian, and?

[Rethel]

i truly don't understand why the hate but if it make you feal good you may continue
now between us did ever jew hurt you in Poland or did something bad to you ?
just wonder want to understand why the blind hate here ....

I see, you are still going with fictional me, creating in your mind.
Try to speak with this pfictional me, without referrng to me on TA.
Meybe some Microsof Office will be helpfull in that?

[kingjohn]

answer my damn question
why you hate Jews what have they done to you ?

[Oneeye]

Reasons this thread deserves to go into the trash:

1. Conflating autosomal DNA with phenotypical classifications.

2. The mistaken assumption that national identity is based on a single phenotype or population that the genetics were inherited from.

3. It was made by Rethel

[Rethel]

answer my damn question
why you hate Jews what have they done to you ?

To be able to answer your ridiculous question, firstly I would have to hate them. I don't.
Maybe you are so much self-hating, that everywhere you see a hatred towards Jews...
Maybe time for some therapy?

[Smitty]

If you do not know, do not made up fictional statements of me, especially when I allready said, many time that to none.

Okay, so being Polish has nothing to do with yDNA? Do I understand you correctly?




Of course - if someone is counting some idiotic percentages how many
intestils he has from some region, then he has no identity and is an idiot.
The same if he is claiming, that he is something, becasue granny was... :picard2:

Again, you're talking about mixed people. A full Englishman considers himself English, irrespective of what his ancient composition is. That's because English is a group unto itself, although made up of Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, etc. If some members talk a lot about autosomal results and Gedmatch runs, it's because they're interested in the formation of these groups, not because those results change their identity.




Yea, sure, try harder to convinst me, after all disscussions which had
place here, especially, when one guy jere went so far, than even
ethnographic groups are depending on % of nobody knows what.


I don't follow. A complexed member (and they exist everywhere) doesn't negate the reality of ethnicity as we know it. And for every self-hating Albanian or Norwegian, there's a person who hates his father. So neither approach is superior in eliminating inferiority complexes.



You allready admitted, that you do not know, to what extent I emphesize it
and what and where, so please stop this fictional, made up by you statements
which you are disscussing with, becasue they are not mine, but yours.

I admitted I don't know to what extent you emphasize yDNA in terms of ethnicity, but I do know you care greatly about it. You define yourself by it - yes, as secondary to your paternal lineage, I know. But your understanding of that paternal lineage is dependent on your yDNA, and that makes for a tenuous identity if one hasn't tested. For "autosomalists," on the other hand, the only thing that would undermine their identities would be the revelation that someone had lied and their parents weren't really their parents. For them, a Pole is a Pole, irrespective of his yDNA, his surname, his phenotype, etc.

[Rethel]

Reasons this thread deserves to go into the trash:

1. Conflating autosomal DNA with phenotypical classifications.

2. The mistaken assumption that national identity is based on a single phenotype or population that the genetics were inherited from.

3. It was made by Rethel

As usual, you make conclusions, not understanding the topic.
superficial reading and understanding is not a good base for such.

[kingjohn]

so why you mention
the option that leto would have some jewish genes roots
as a bad thing .

p.s
and we both know it is bulshit as he is Belorussian from head to toe .

[Rethel]

Okay, so being Polish has nothing to do with yDNA? Do I understand you correctly?

Of course.
Actualy nothing has anything to do with Y-hg.
Y-hg can be only a proof in something.
And rather is not in polishness, maybe in some rare cases, but I doubt.


Again, you're talking about mixed people. A full Englishman considers himself English, irrespective of what his ancient composition is. That's because English is a group unto itself, although made up of Celts, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, etc. If some members talk a lot about autosomal results and Gedmatch runs, it's because they're interested in the formation of these groups, not because those results change their identity.

It is not only about au, and it was not the point - itt was only
an addition to an ilistration (which was not the point herself also).
But people are going into that direction also, not all, but following
their sick understanding, to some degree, but if you would read such
disscussions you would see, that it is based on general idea, not au
per se. Au is only an short-way of such claims.


there's a person who hates his father

Even of, this hatred does not change the thing, because he is not only
related to his father, the same as his son only to him, and as anubody
else. You are not x, becasue you like your father, but because all
descendants of x are xs, and relationship between two xs are meaningless.
You can hate your father (it is very bad, but even if), but your grandpa, or
greatgrandpa is still who he is, the same as your gransons and greatgrandsons.
If your son is hated by your grandson it doesnlt change the fat, that you are
his gradpa, or he is your grandson. It also doesn;t mean, that such person
has to submit to his wife or mother - what is lidicurious, even if.


I admitted I don't know to what extent you emphasize yDNA in terms of ethnicity,

None. Zero. Null. Nada.


but I do know you care greatly about it.

I care for the truth, and y-hgs are a way to proof her.


But your understanding of that paternal lineage is dependent on your yDNA,

On which else should be, if only hg-Y is a way to prooving this?
If the same role would play the gene for the smallest toe at the
left leg or the litmus paper, I would say the same about them.


and that makes for a tenuous identity if one haven't tested.

Yes, because now you can know who you are.
The same is actualy with other things, like personal
paper history, genealogy and own tradition. Every
normal decent person should know such things.

Insted, people prefer to be ignorant idiots or an idiots
who pretending to not be the first sort, are making a
total mess from such branches of science.


For "autosomalists," on the other hand, the only thing that would undermine their identities would be the relevation that someone had lied and their parents weren't really their parents.

Au are not necessarly for this.
And btw, of the mother of your granny was not
her mother, what is a big deal? It is irrelevant.


For them, a Pole is a Pole, irrespective of his yDNA, his surname, his phenotype, etc.

do you really think, that they will admit a mulatto a Pole? :laugh:

[Oneeye]

As usual, you make conclusions, not understanding the topic.
superficial reading and understanding is not a good base for such.

The loaded question you ask is the big assumption in this thread. It's not worth a deeper look.


There is nothing interesting about the OP. There is no insight, just a failed "gotcha" of epic proportions.

[Oneeye]

The answer is that you're wrong to assume that only a small percentage of the DNA is "real Pole". It's all Pole, you dunce.

[Rethel]

so why you mention
the option that leto would have some jewish genes roots
as a bad thing .

1. Where I wrote this as a bad thing? Do I wrote also being a Pole as a bad thing? :picard2:
2. He himself do not lake many nations, as I remember correctly, Jews also.
3. You showed, that you are the same hater as he, because you both are reading a Jew as a bad thing.

So problem is in you. If you think, that word Jew is bad, you should really go to some therapy.


and we both know it is bulshit as he is Belorussian from head to toe .

Nope.
It is not bullshit, becasue he is ashamed of his father and grandfather,
he has some maditerrenian DNA, and he is not full Belarussian either,
especially, that one of his grandparents was a Pole or maybe consider
a Pole (could be a polish Jew - we do not know the turth, becasue he
is ashamed of his roots, and he never spoke about it clearly. Only about
his grannies and mommies... :picard2:)

[Rethel]

There is nothing interesting about the OP.

So what are you doing here? Go to some more interestinh threads, and stop to tormenting yourself and others.

[Oneeye]

So what are you doing here? Go to some more interestinh threads, and stop to tormenting yourself and others.


^This is a better question. And your lack of response to my answers to the OP show the reason I lack interest: You never learn, you just keep regurgitating the same ignorant nonsense about genetics.

[kingjohn]

1. Where I wrote this as a bad thing? Do I wrote also being a Pole as a bad thing? :picard2:
2. He himself do not lake many nations, as I remember correctly, Jews also.
3. You showed, that you are the same hater as he, because you both are reading a Jew as a bad thing.

So problem is in you. If you think, that word Jew is bad, you should really go to some therapy.



Nope.
It is not bullshit, becasue he is ashamed of his father and grandfather,
he has some maditerrenian DNA, and he is not full Belarussian either,
especially, that one of his grandparents was a Pole or maybe consider
a Pole (could be a polish Jew - we do not know the turth, becasue he
is ashamed of his roots, and he never spoke about it clearly. Only about
his grannies and mommies... :picard2:)

i don't think many people in eastern europe like jews
it is like a fucking curse for them
when i see a pole with christian name catholic that i match
i know he would not answere to my emails because they { polish christians} a shame that they have some aschenazi jewish genes
so they are fucked up not me .......

p.s
what is bad in med dna on the contrary taht is cool stuff
i am very proud of the 11% south east euro i score in my origins 2.0 much more than and other stuff i score
med dna is not a curse it is a bless.

[Rethel]

^This is a better question. And your lack of response to my answers to the OP show the reason I lack interest: You never learn, you just keep regurgitating the same ignorant nonsense about genetics.

Yea, especially, that you naver 1) understand what I and why said, and 2) never write
anything longer than one sencese - usually trolling or complaining. Real authority :picard2:

[Rethel]

i don't think many people in eastern europe like jews
it is like a fucking curse for them
when i see a pole with christian name catholic that i match
i know he would not answere to my emails because they { polish christians} a shame that they have some aschenazi jewish genes
so they are fucked up not me .......

This is only your hiper-imagination.


p.s
what is bad in med dna on the contrary taht is cool stuff

Again - where I said that med dna is bad? You really need de-hating therapy :picard2:


i am very proud of the 11% south east euro i score in my origins 2.0 much more than and other stuff i score
med dna is not a curse it is a bless.

But if you are from the Belarus, then there is only one way to get it :)

[Peterski]

i don't think many people in eastern europe like jews
it is like a fucking curse for them

I like Jews, but not all of them. There are good and bad people in every nation.

[kingjohn]

i am not lying i am telling you reality
people with polish catholic surnames in eastern poland don't answere to emails
and i see there names sounds catholic as hell....




But if you are from the Belarus, then there is only one way to get it :)[/QUOTE]

but we saw leto results
no jewish diaspora he and you can sleep well at night now.
not have to be maybe his med genes are read as west central europe the best component darling
the fact that my brother score some of it and i nada 0% is such a bummer to me .
and i stucked with 11% eastern euro instead and related to people like you now thats bummer ......

[Rethel]

i am not lying i am telling you reality
people with polish catholic surnames in eastern poland don't answere to emails
and i see there names sounds catholic as hell....

What letters do you write to eastern Poles?

[kingjohn]

i willl look at there surnames tomarrow
and you will tell me if there names sounds christian catholic
i just don't want to write there names here
jews were in poland from 1300 ad so maybe there was some gene flow it is also very likely
the eastern european genes in aschenazi are polish in origins

http://eurogenes.blogspot.co.il/2016/09/estonian-biocentre-human-genome.html

the nmonte was done by polish guy davidski

Ashkenazi
Anatolia_ChL 7.9
Arab_Israel_1 15.65
Avar 0.6
Bashkir 0.05
Cossack 0
Italian_Tuscan 30.45
Polish 11.75 :picard1:
Samaritan 33.6
Uygur 0

distance%=0.2874 / distance=0.002874

[Peterski]

the nmonte was done by polish guy davidski

Ashkenazi
Anatolia_ChL 7.9
Arab_Israel_1 15.65
Avar 0.6
Bashkir 0.05
Cossack 0
Italian_Tuscan 30.45
Polish 11.75 :picard1:
Samaritan 33.6
Uygur 0

distance%=0.2874 / distance=0.002874

That's a lot of Polish admix! Jewish guy Agamemnon got similar results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214281-How-Polish-are-Ashkenazi-Jews&p=4489225&viewfull=1#post4489225

BTW - that Avar and Bashkir probably represent Khazarian admixture.


i am not lying i am telling you reality
people with polish catholic surnames in eastern poland don't answere to emails
and i see there names sounds catholic as hell....

It is possible that their English is poor, especially if they are older people.

[Oneeye]

Yea, especially, that you naver 1) understand what I and why said, and 2) never write
anything longer than one sencese - usually trolling or complaining. Real authority :picard2:



I understand what you wrote better than you do. Your English is far from fluent. You make so many grammatical mistakes that I highly doubt anyone understands nuances that you think you're making.

Lets start with the primary disconnect. Are you denying that you asked a loaded question in the OP? You whine about people making assumptions, but you started the damned thread with one.


Poland is the sum of all parts of its history. To be Polish is to be descended from that history. As a homogenous population, the genetics from that history will be in similar proportions. It really is that simple. Every nation has its own mixes from the past people that lived there.

[Smitty]

Of course.
Actualy nothing has anything to do with Y-hg.
Y-hg can be only a proof in something.
And rather is not in polishness, maybe in some rare cases, but I doubt.

Got it.




It is not only about au, and it was not the point - itt was only
an addition to an ilistration (which was not the point herself also).
But people are going into that direction also, not all, but following
their sick understanding, to some degree, but if you would read such
disscussions you would see, that it is based on general idea, not au
per se. Au is only an short-way of such claims.

I don't understand this part.




Even of, this hatred does not change the thing, because he is not only
related to his father, the same as his son only to him, and as anubody
else. You are not x, becasue you like your father, but because all
descendants of x are xs, and relationship between two xs are meaningless.
You can hate your father (it is very bad, but even if), but your grandpa, or
greatgrandpa is still who he is, the same as your gransons and greatgrandsons.
If your son is hated by your grandson it doesnlt change the fat, that you are
his gradpa, or he is your grandson. It also doesn;t mean, that such person
has to submit to his wife or mother - what is lidicurious, even if.

It doesn't change anything, no. My point was, patrilineality doesn't do away with identity issues. One can be in denial about his family, just as he can be in denial about his ethnicity.


I care for the truth, and y-hgs are a way to proof her.



On which else should be, if only hg-Y is a way to prooving this?
If the same role would play the gene for the smallest toe at the
left leg or the litmus paper, I would say the same about them.



Yes, because now you can know who you are.
The same is actualy with other things, like personal
paper history, genealogy and own tradition. Every
normal decent person should know such things.

Insted, people prefer to be ignorant idiots or an idiots
who pretending to not be the first sort, are making a
total mess from such branches of science.



My whole point here is that autosomal identity is not the basket case you make it out to be, or at least no more than patrilineality.






do you really think, that they will admit a mulatto a Pole? :laugh:

No, because a mulatto would be half non-Polish? I don't think we're communicating very well here.

[Oneeye]

Fuck it, I'll ANALyze it like you autists love to do..


Poles are:

5% East Baltids
5% Uralids
8% Nordics
10% Dinarids
15% Alpines
20% Subnordics and Norics
37% Neo-Danubians

Is this a hypothetical make up of physical phenotypes in Poland? Or is it some old study that's nearly 100 years old and clearly outdated even if scientists took that branch of anthropolgy seriously..

And how is thia related to autosomes? This is population make up, not the make up of an individual.



Which ones are real Poles?

:picard1: WHO THE FUCK MAKES SUCH A STUPID DISTINCTION? A BROTHER WITH A WIDER HEAD IS MORE OF AN ETHNICITY THAN THE OTHER?


According to you all, they all cannot be true
Poles, becasue they are of different races...

ACCORDING TO WHO???


The same with au - on the east is different than on the west, aso.

So, who is the real Pole?


Who do you consider more Polish, Eastern or Western Poles? This is a question that is better answered by fellow Pollacks. What is the general consensus of Poles over which is more Polish?

You probably have an exaggerated view over the differences in Western vs. Eastern Polish autosomes. xD

[Smitty]

Fuck it, I'll ANALyze it like you autists love to do..



Is this a hypothetical make up of physical phenotypes in Poland? Or is it some old study that's nearly 100 years old and clearly outdated even if scientists took that branch of anthropolgy seriously..

And how is thia related to autosomes? This is population make up, not the make up of an individual.



:picard1: WHO THE FUCK MAKES SUCH A STUPID DISTINCTION? A BROTHER WITH A WIDER HEAD IS MORE OF AN ETHNICITY THAN THE OTHER?



ACCORDING TO WHO???




Who do you consider more Polish, Eastern or Western Poles? This is a question that is better answered by fellow Pollacks. What is the general consensus of Poles over which is more Polish?

You probably have an exaggerated view over the differences in Western vs. Eastern Polish autosomes. xD

You calling me an autist? :mad:

[Danaan]

Poles are:

5% East Baltids
5% Uralids
8% Nordics
10% Dinarids
15% Alpines
20% Subnordics and Norics
37% Neo-Danubians

Which ones are real Poles?

According to you all, they all cannot be true
Poles, becasue they are of different races...

The same with au - on the east is different than on the west, aso.

So, who is the real Pole?

What is the definition?

[Argentano]

Poles are:

5% East Baltids
5% Uralids
8% Nordics
10% Dinarids
15% Alpines
20% Subnordics and Norics
37% Neo-Danubians

Which ones are real Poles?

According to you all, they all cannot be true
Poles, becasue they are of different races...

The same with au - on the east is different than on the west, aso.

So, who is the real Pole?

I dont get what you are talking about. Poles are not full any of those things. They are a mixture of many things and autosomaly they are probably pretty homogeneous.

If you are talking about phenotypes then thats not "according to autosomalotards"

[TEUTORIGOS]

My whole point here is that autosomal identity is not the basket case you make it out to be, or at least no more than patrilineality.

IMO autosomal identity makes more sense because it carries much more genetic information than the Y chromosone and phenotype is only a small subset of the underlying genotype.

[Rethel]

It is possible that their English is poor, especially if they are older people.

And especially, if KingJohn everywhere is seeing hatered.
It is enaugh for him to wrote the word Jew, to be a hater.
And his english is also not so good - even I see this, so
the problem is rather on his side.

[Antimage]

Ok, I will learn hungarian, and?
I don't think at this point you can learn hungarian to the point wher your accent dosn't give away you are foreigner. However if you marry a a hungarian girl, your offsprings grow up in Hungary they will speak hungarian perfectly, the half polishhalf hungarian offsprings and their descendants will be hungarians. There are such people in every nation. Many of the poles who settled in France in 1800 are french by now. There are probably many ethnic french with polish grand or great grandaddy and they're french like everyone else. But it doesn't work for everyone. You have to be physically frech passing, if you're mulatto you won't be seen as truely french by most frenchmen.
If you got the looks (just be european lookin basically), 2.language skills(fluency and lack of foreign accent) 3. culture (which is not hard to adopt because all europeans are culturally close anyway especially these days). Then you can be hungarian man, polish man, french man etc. IF you idenitfy as polish and you are accepted by poles as polish then you're polish. IT's simple (and common sense too, I don't even know why I'm writing this here)



You missed the point.

Which is?

[Rethel]

I understand what you wrote better than you do. Your English is far from fluent. You make so many grammatical mistakes that I highly doubt anyone understands nuances that you think you're making.

Your lack of understanding does not lay in my english.
If I would write perfect english it would be the same.

Btw, it is better to makes mistakes, but know some
language, than not know any, are accusing others of making mistakes. It is so pity... :picard1:

[kingjohn]

litvin agree :cool:
a}could be because they are old people
b}or don't give a damm about genetics
regards
Adam

[Leto]

Nope.
It is not bullshit, becasue he is ashamed of his father and grandfather,
he has some maditerrenian DNA, and he is not full Belarussian either,
especially, that one of his grandparents was a Pole or maybe consider
a Pole (could be a polish Jew - we do not know the turth, becasue he
is ashamed of his roots, and he never spoke about it clearly. Only about
his grannies and mommies... :picard2:)
Lol. I am not ashamed at all. They have passed away already, but I knew my grandparents and have a lot of their photos. You have made up this Jewish thing. My Belarusian side was Catholic and probably they were partially Polish, but Polish from modern-day Belarus. We have no Jews in our family and my DNA results showed no Jewish traces whatsoever.
Don't know why you are so obsessed with my ancestry, especially with that false "Jewish" thing you came up with for no reason. My dad is actually very critical of Jews, so I grew up with what is called anti-Semitism.

p.s
and we both know it is bulshit as he is Belorussian from head to toe .
Well, I'm not a full Belorussian, but I definitely look like a full one, have a Belorussian surname and identify more with Belarus than with many parts of Russia. After all, I consider Belorussians and Ukrainians to be part of the greater Russian nation (East Slavic).

[kingjohn]

you are all descendants from east Slavic tribes

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Ethnicity interpretation is very meaningless now. For genology sharing centimorgans or haplogroup match is more valuable or meaningful. Than a calculator interpretation.

[Rethel]

Don't know why you are so obsessed with my ancestry,

1. Becasue you attack others/the topic - f.e. me, writing in that matter. Read your last post here.

2. And it is impossible to have so much mediterrenian in Belarus as you, and Belarus was the densiest
populated area by Jews - so, could be that either you was not told something, either something went
wrong. Ask any TA serious and real autosomalist, and will tell you the same.

3. So say, finally who is your father and grandfather, do not hide it,
playing with sides, grandparents aso, not specifically known which ones.


you are all descendants from east Slavic tribes

As Aschkenazis? :laugh:
A bunch of Poles who occupy Palestine - as many claim :laugh:

[Leto]

2. And it is impossible to have so much mediterrenian in Belarus as you, and Belarus was the densiest
populated area by Jews - so, could be that either you was not told something, either something went
wrong. Ask any TA serious and real autosomalist, and will tell you the same.

3. So say, finally who is your father and grandfather, do not hide it,
playing with sides, grandparents aso, not specifically known which ones.

First off, I have little Mediterranean. Secondly, Mediterranean does not equal Jewish.
I have asked you multiple times to quit that nonsense which has no factual base.

[Rethel]

First off, I have little Mediterranean.

You have enaugh for granny to be AJ.


Secondly, Mediterranean does not equal Jewish.

Yes, of course, but on Belarus, it is the quickest source.


I have asked you multiple times to quit that nonsense which has no factual base.

And I ask you many times to quick to attack european values and
stop to pretend someone who you are not (what obviously cause
your attacks on the normal principles - every mythoman do it, you
are not only one). Of course you can be a Moskalian citizen, you
can support this state (or belarussian if you want) but you cannot
claim koriennosti since the begining of the world, as you pretend.

So, what about your father grandfather and
greatgrandfather and further forefathers?

[kingjohn]

yes poland was home from 1300 ad to 1939 when the germans came
but even them can't stop the ibd sharing in family finder ......


Stanislaw Jan Plewako

Paternal:
PLEWAKO Jarosz>Paweł>Jan>Hieronim>Kazimierz>Marian
Maternal:
Zofia Scipierska*1580>Maurycja >Sabina>Maria*1887



Helena Maria Talikowska



Marek Żelechowski


Chris Stanley Sikorowski

Paternal:
Kasimierz Sikorowski
Maternal:
Jozefa Markiewiez


Andrzej Nowak


Jan Jaroszynski

Maria Kawecka

Alicja Morawiec



Grażyna Elżbieta


Slawomir Zielina

[Rethel]

yes poland was home from 1300 ad to 1939 when the germans came
but even them can't stop the ibd sharing in family finder ......


Stanislaw Jan Plewako

Paternal:
PLEWAKO Jarosz>Paweł>Jan>Hieronim>Kazimierz>Marian
Maternal:
Zofia Scipierska*1580>Maurycja >Sabina>Maria*1887



Helena Maria Talikowska



Marek Żelechowski


Chris Stanley Sikorowski

Paternal:
Kasimierz Sikorowski
Maternal:
Jozefa Markiewiez


Andrzej Nowak


Jan Jaroszynski

Maria Kawecka

Alicja Morawiec



Grażyna Elżbieta


Slawomir Zielina

1. Why did you put it here?
2. Did you ask mr. Stanisław, if you casn do it?
3. Ergo, please delete it.

[Leto]

You have enaugh for granny to be AJ.
Where? Why can't you stop repeating this nonsense as if you had not seen my actual results?
<a href="https://ibb.co/guDtWv"><img src="https://thumb.ibb.co/guDtWv/FTDNA_2.jpg" alt="FTDNA_2" border="0"></a>

And I ask you many times to quick to attack european values and
stop to pretend someone who you are not (what obviously cause
your attacks on the normal principles - every mythoman do it, you
are not only one). Of course you can be a Moskalian citizen, you
can support this state (or belarussian if you want) but you cannot
claim koriennosti since the begining of the world, as you pretend.

So, what about your father grandfather and
greatgrandfather and further forefathers?
I don't need to justify myself before you. I'm Belorussian/Russian and genetically barely different from millions of people in this geographical area. I'm basically your 'average Joe' or I'd rather say Ivan. And yes, I knew my grandparents.

[Rethel]

Why can't you stop repeating this

Becasue you asked.
I just answered.


I don't need to justify myself before you. I'm Belorussian/Russian and genetically barely different from millions of people in this geographical area. I'm basically your 'average Joe' or I'd rather say Ivan. And yes, I knew my grandparents.


So you are still ashamed of them.
It gives a lot to think - especially taking unto account this high med admix :laugh:
And you hate Jews, you have strong need to constantly proving you are white aso, aso...
How is called that syndrome? :laugh:

[Ox Helicopters]

All people with two Polish parents are Poles, regardless of whether they are Alpinid, Dinarid, Uralid or any other classification.

[Wanderer]

"autosomalotards" :rofl_002: