Finnish Y

[Harkonnen]

Since there is still circulating some nonsense on Finnish Y - especially on the R1 percentages; here were the lastest up to date results on Finnish y.
Basically Finland is almost 100% either N1c1 or I.

50% N1c1 and 45% I (I1+I2)

R1s are essentially nonexistent.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488853/table/pone.0130331.t002/

[Arduti]

Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?

[Harkonnen]

Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSaJnTxw2M

[Gangrel]

Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?

a finn with a 9 inch penis

[MissMischief]

Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?

A Finnish person who is into black metal I guess :p

[Harkonnen]

Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196163-Black-Finns

[Peterski]

Cool. But you still can't be sure if you are R1 or not until you test.

[Finnish Swede]

Any link to that new study :)?

I believe Sweden's highest Y-hapogroup I1 shares (over 40%) have been found from two locations: Värmland & Gotland.
66905
66906

And even higher than those I1 % have been found only two places. Both being here in western Finland: Southern Ostrobothnia & Satakunta.
66907
66908

[Arduti]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?196163-Black-Finns

Gotcha. Thanks

[Arduti]

N1 haplogroups are completely different than I haplogroups. N1s are Sami and Is are not indigenous to Finland and migrated to Scandinavia, just like Germanic R-haplogroups did later.

[Harkonnen]

N1 haplogroups are completely different than I haplogroups. N1s are Sami and Is are not indigenous to Finland and migrated to Scandinavia, just like Germanic R-haplogroups did later.

Just get lost bitch.

[Arduti]

I wish I could but I always seem to know exactly where I am.

[Rethel]

R1s are essentially nonexistent.

6-7% - very good elite level able to make a state.
Such % of polish people made an emipre in Europe.
And it doesnt mean, than in the past wasn't bigger.


Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?

I1.

[Harkonnen]

I wish I could but I always seem to know exactly where I am.

If you'd broke both of your orbital rims in an unfortunate "accident" at the stairs, you couldn't see a thing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYS9UdPEtGY

[Loki]

N1 haplogroups are completely different than I haplogroups. N1s are Sami and Is are not indigenous to Finland and migrated to Scandinavia, just like Germanic R-haplogroups did later.

Where is I indigenous?

[Sacrificed Ram]

N1 haplogroups are completely different than I haplogroups. N1s are Sami and Is are not indigenous to Finland and migrated to Scandinavia, just like Germanic R-haplogroups did later.

10000 years ago Finnland was a ice cube.

[Harkonnen]

Any link to that new study :)?

I believe Sweden's highest Y-hapogroup I1 shares (over 40%) have been found from two locations: Värmland & Gotland.
66905
66906

And even higher than those I1 % have been found only two places. Both being here in western Finland: Southern Ostrobothnia & Satakunta.
66907
66908

I1 hotspot is in the triangel of Satakunta, S.Ostrobothnia and Tavastia. Basically inland West Finland. Coastal Southwest Finland is majority N1c1.

I provided the most informative part of the study with the data I linked. Unfortunately, the discussion parts of the study - like in many genetic studies trying interpret history with the data they get - are total nonsense. But if you want to read nonsense there it is: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488853/

[Harkonnen]

I wish I could but I always seem to know exactly where I am.

In the middle of the journey of our life, I came to myself, in a dark wood, where the direct way was lost. It is a hard thing to speak of, how wild, harsh and impenetrable that wood was, so that thinking of it recreates the fear. It is scarcely less bitter than death: but, in order to tell of the good that I found there, I must tell of the other things I saw there.

http://www.poetryintranslation.com/PITBR/Italian/DantInf1to7.htm#anchor_Toc64090910

[Finnish Swede]

I1 hotspot is in the triangel of Satakunta, S.Ostrobothnia and Tavastia. Basically inland West Finland. Coastal Southwest Finland is majority N1c1.

I provided the most informative part of the study with the data I linked. Unfortunately, the discussion parts of the study - like in many genetic studies trying interpret history with the data they get - are total nonsense. But if you want to read nonsense there it is: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4488853/

Thanks.

I wonder have anybody ever compared Finnish Swedes vs Finns for example in South Ostrobothnia area?
Or how the result would look like in places like Närpes?

(for long time Närpes in Finland has been the world's most Swedish speaking town)

[Charles Bronson]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjTCTtaIXQM

[Dick]

Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?

Are you related to Hamlet?

[Dema]

Why you dont want R1s?

[Arduti]

Are you related to Hamlet?

Huh?

[Dick]

Huh?

why would you be I1 if you were male?

[Arduti]

If I were a guy, I'd have I1 yDNA, meaning my father's yDNA haplogroup is I1....
This is not difficult to understand.

[Dick]

If I were a guy, I'd have I1 yDNA, meaning my father's yDNA haplogroup is I1....
This is not difficult to understand.

How am I supposed to know your father was tested. Don't get sassy with me ever gain, got that? You could be trolling for all I know.

[Volfied]

Sorry to hijack, but what's a "black Finn"?

i also wanna know :confused: xD

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

If you arent c3 you arent true european anyways

[Arduti]

How am I supposed to know your father was tested. Don't get sassy with me ever gain, got that? You could be trolling for all I know.

Smeller's the feller?

j/k

[Dick]

Smeller's the feller?

j/k

I see you take after your dorky jewess side.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Why you dont want R1s?

For the same reason as your countrymens.

[Arduti]

I see you take after your dorky jewess side.

You have no idea.

[Dick]

You have no idea.

Don't fart in my face when I'm eating out your pussy in a 69 position. I'm kinky but not that kinky.

[Arduti]

You're not going to weaken me with disgusting comments, or get a reaction that resembles yours.

[Dick]

You're not going to weaken me with disgusting comments, or get a reaction that resembles yours.

Our son will be I1. Don't worry be happy.

[Blanka]

*waves* My dad's a representative for those "R1's that hardly exists". He was just assigned R-M198 after testing 37 markers. But it's not an Eastern European branch, and he has very few hits and none are close. The ones he has is one Finnish and one Norwegian, but none is closer than a common ancestor at least 20 generations ago. That's it. On top if it, in the part of Nyland where dad's male side of the family is found, R1a is the least common haplogroup in the country. Everyone else is N1c or possibly I1. What are the odds? It's like winning the lottery - and getting a cubic meter of nothingness.

[Harkonnen]

*waves* My dad's a representative for those "R1's that hardly exists". He was just assigned R-M198 after testing 37 markers. But it's not an Eastern European branch, and he has very few hits and none are close. The ones he has is one Finnish and one Norwegian, but none is closer than a common ancestor at least 20 generations ago. That's it. On top if it, in the part of Nyland where dad's male side of the family is found, R1a is the least common haplogroup in the country. Everyone else is N1c or possibly I1. What are the odds? It's like winning the lottery - and getting a cubic meter of nothingness.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qpBe7Z2nq7k/TYLDeKcizAI/AAAAAAAAACw/zkv3OMrBNnQ/s1600/kill-it-with-fire.jpg

Wut te duck?

Is your dad batshit cray-cray dude?

[Peterski]

He was just assigned R-M198 after testing 37 markers. But it's not an Eastern European branch

He needs to buy R1a-M198 SNP Pack from FTDNA or from YSEQ (it should be cheaper at YSEQ).

M198 is very basic and it can be any branch, including Eastern European or even Indo-Iranian.


Wut te duck?

Is your dad batshit cray-cray dude?

I'm pretty sure that you are R1 as well. You talk way too much for someone who is N1c or I1.

[Methuselah]

Why do those haplogroups matter? Finns are kinda own unique mix anyway (and differ from each other as well) despite being closely related to Estonians. https://www.tiede.fi/artikkeli/jutut/artikkelit/suomalaisten_uudet_juuret
Usually having western "maternal lines" and eastern "paternal lines" whatever this means...

[Harkonnen]

He needs to buy R1a-M198 SNP Pack from FTDNA or from YSEQ (it should be cheaper at YSEQ).

M198 is very basic and it can be any branch, including Eastern European or even Indo-Iranian.



I'm pretty sure that you are R1 as well. You talk way too much for someone who is N1c or I1.

I ain't R1a1, I told you already bozo. &no she doesn't need to know anything more. She already got the short end of the stick. Move on.

[Finnish Swede]

Why do those haplogroups matter? Finns are kinda own unique mix anyway (and differ from each other as well) despite being closely related to Estonians. https://www.tiede.fi/artikkeli/jutut/artikkelit/suomalaisten_uudet_juuret
Usually having western "maternal lines" and eastern "paternal lines" whatever this means...

Because some ''pure'' Europeans would like to push Finns down (just to feel better by themselves) ... and comic haplogroups are the only thing they can make up. As Finland (as a country) and Finns (as a people) will beat them ''everywhere/everything'' ....

[Methuselah]

Because some ''pure'' Europeans would like to push Finns down (just to feel better by themselves) ... and comic haplogroups are the only thing they can make up. As Finland (as a country) and Finns (as a people) will beat them everywhere/everything ....

Oh. Pure Europeans :elf Well, Finns are not Asian, Slavic or Germanic as far as i know. Scandinavian would be much closer. Finns are Nordic, genetically, culturally and mentally. Actually mentally sometimes Finns are a bit like Japanese, but it has nothing to do with genes. :alien2

[Rethel]

and comic haplogroups

Is your father comic?


Why do those haplogroups matter?

Becasue show forefathers and families.


*waves* My dad's a representative for those "R1's that hardly exists". He was just assigned R-M198 after testing 37 markers. But it's not an Eastern European branch, and he has very few hits and none are close. The ones he has is one Finnish and one Norwegian, but none is closer than a common ancestor at least 20 generations ago. That's it. On top if it, in the part of Nyland where dad's male side of the family is found, R1a is the least common haplogroup in the country. Everyone else is N1c or possibly I1. What are the odds? It's like winning the lottery - and getting a cubic meter of nothingness.

Original Österlander!

[Harkonnen]

Is you father comic?



Becasue show forefathers and families.



Original Österlander!

Hey Pole get the fuck out of this thread or tomorrow I will go rape some Polish street hooker to remind who is the boss in this land.

[Finnish Swede]

Oh. Pure Europeans :elf Well, Finns are not Asian, Slavic or Germanic as far as i know. Scandinavian would be much closer. Finns are Nordic, genetically, culturally and mentally. Actually mentally sometimes Finns are a bit like Japanese, but it has nothing to do with genes. :alien2

Yup. That's how normal Finns think.

It ''others'' who tends to rise up Finns haplogroups & genetics.

[Rethel]

Harkacz's ble ble ble


:picard1: :bored:


It ''others'' who tends to rise up Finns haplogroups & genetics.

Just like anybody's else.
Finns are really not so special,
but they show their specialness when they react.

[Harkonnen]

:picard1: :bored:



Just like anybody's else.
Finns are really not so special,
but they show their specialness when they react.

Ha ha you dumb Polak

Go wash toilets. Piece of shit.

[Finnish Swede]

Is you father comic?


Of course not, but he is much much more than his simple Y-haplogroup (southern Sweden).
And as I'm a girl he did't even transport his Y-haplogroup to me.

[Rethel]

Ha ha you dumb Polak

Go wash toilets. Piece of shit.

Now you feel better after expessing yourself in such manner?

[Harkonnen]

Now you feel better after expessing yourself in such manner?

Yes I do. Now get the fuck out. This thread deals with civilized people. Not some Slav shit.

[Rethel]

Of course not, but he is much much more than his simple haplogroup (southern Sweden).

Noone is saying about simple haplogroup.
It is just a proof's mean, not wonderfulness itself.
If similar role would play the gene for the smallest toe of the left leg - we would be speaking about it.
As you see we do not - becasue such gene does not care needable information. But Y does.
He is the same imortant as a certificate of birth - which is not a wonderfullness in itself,
bvut bears needable information. Paper can be falsyfied, Y never.


And as I'm a girl he did't even transport his Y haplogroup to me.

But he transoprted your X which made you a woman and his daughter.
And yet you can marry to another family, another Y, so you have more options :)

[Harkonnen]

Noone is saying about simple haplogroup.
It is just a proof's mean, not wonderfulness itself.
If similar role would play the gene for the smallest toe of the left leg - we would be speaking about it.
As you see we do not - becasue such gene does not care needable information. But Y does.
He is the same imortant as a certificate of birth - which is not a wonderfullness in itself,
bvut bears needable information. Paper can be falsyfied, Y never.



But he transoprted your X which made you a woman and his daughter.
And yet you can marry to another family, another Y, so you have more options :)

Hey Rethel, if I remember correctly she is I1 -> not your people. So leave her the fuck alone and go bark somewhere else.

[Blanka]

He needs to buy R1a-M198 SNP Pack from FTDNA or from YSEQ (it should be cheaper at YSEQ).

M198 is very basic and it can be any branch, including Eastern European or even Indo-Iranian.



I assumed he would have more hits if it was an eastern European one. In ancestral origins he gets 19 anonymous in the UK, but as I mentioned before, the shown hits he gets are few and in Scandinavia. Most who has R1a in Scandinavia live in Norway, and he does have one Norwegian hit. Obviously, way back, it came from the east, just as N1c, so it's not like it matters in that sense. I was hoping, though, that we'd find relatives that are specific on his male side of the tree, as it's not a branch that's explored much.
ETA: I'll confer with the admins of the FTDNA R1a group so I get the right ones.


&no she doesn't need to know anything more. She already got the short end of the stick. Move on.
That's certainly not for you to decide.

[Peterski]

Obviously, way back, it came from the east, just as N1c

First R1a came to Scandinavia already with Corded Ware culture, while N1c came probably much later.

These are the oldest R1a samples from Scandinavia:

Sweden RISE94, Viby, Götaland, 2621-2472 BC
Denmark RISE61, Kyndeløse, Zealand, 2650-2300 BC
Sweden LNBA, Ölsund, Hälsingland, 2573-2140 BC
Denmark RISE42, Marbjerg, Zealand, 2191-1972 BC

As you can see 3 of them are from Southern Scandinavia, but one (Olsund) is from Northern Sweden.

Olsund individual is discussed in this paper:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/03/03/113241.full.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/03/03/113241.DC1/113241-1.pdf

About the origins of Corded Ware culture:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/12/corded-ware-as-offshoot-of-hungarian.html

[Peterski]

These are the oldest R1a samples from Scandinavia:

Sweden RISE94, Viby, Götaland, 2621-2472 BC
Denmark RISE61, Kyndeløse, Zealand, 2650-2300 BC
Sweden LNBA, Ölsund, Hälsingland, 2573-2140 BC
Denmark RISE42, Marbjerg, Zealand, 2191-1972 BC

For comparison the oldest known sample of N1c from Europe is also from 2500 BC, but found near Smolensk in Russia. There was no any N1c in Scandinavia at that time, but there was already some in western Russia.

R1a migrated to Scandinavia either from Latvia-Lithuania-Poland by boats across the Baltic Sea, or from Germany (both routes are possible). N1c migrated to Scandinavia much later and probably from Finland-Estonia.

===============

Possible routes of R1a migration to Scandinavia with Corded Ware culture (red arrows):

https://i.imgur.com/GfE3Abm.png

https://i.imgur.com/GfE3Abm.png

[Harkonnen]

That's certainly not for you to decide.

I'll take it you are not a Christian woman

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?211786-Wives-are-obligated-by-the-Church-to-have-sex-on-demand-and-obey-their-husbands&p=4876096#post4876096

[Rethel]

Hey Rethel, if I remember correctly she is I1 -> not your people. So leave her the fuck alone and go bark somewhere else.

As long as I1 live under our protecion and look like we - we have something to say in their case :p

[Rethel]

First R1a came to Scandinavia already with Corded Ware culture, while N1c came probably much later.

These are the oldest R1a samples from Scandinavia:

Sweden RISE94, Viby, Götaland, 2621-2472 BC
Denmark RISE61, Kyndeløse, Zealand, 2650-2300 BC
Sweden LNBA, Ölsund, Hälsingland, 2573-2140 BC
Denmark RISE42, Marbjerg, Zealand, 2191-1972 BC

As you can see 3 of them are from Southern Scandinavia, but one (Olsund) is from Northern Sweden.

There was also some Cordeds R1a from very northern Norway.

[Rethel]

R1a migrated to Scandinavia either from Latvia-Lithuania-Poland by boats across the Baltic Sea, or from Germany (both routes are possible).

Why do you exclude migration via Finland, as there were Cordeds also,
similar migration of N1 happend later, and obviously some IEs did cross
that way yet beforte Cordeds...

[ALL]

Oh. Pure Europeans :elf Well, Finns are not Asian, Slavic or Germanic as far as i know. Scandinavian would be much closer. Finns are Nordic, genetically, culturally and mentally. Actually mentally sometimes Finns are a bit like Japanese, but it has nothing to do with genes. :alien2

Yamnaya people can only accept blood transfusion from other Yamnaya. That is because there blood was common among them. Soon we will knowif ruling clan Piasts have same bloodline. I can give to a AB+ but cannot not receive. Where do you think AB comes from?[hint look at Harkonnen avatar,> Somalia]

[Peterski]

Why do you exclude migration via Finland

Because this paper claims that Olsund sample was most autosomally similar to Baltic Bronze Age samples:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/03/03/113241.full.pdf

CTRL + F type Olsund and find this info.

[Peterski]

There was also some Cordeds R1a from very northern Norway.

From which study?

[Harkonnen]

As long as I1 live under our protecion and look like we - we have something to say in their case :p

It is obvious Slavs can't protect even their own women. That is why Slavic women are known as the whores of the world. Why don't you go sell your sister to some Arab sheik.

[Harkonnen]

Yamnaya people can only accept blood transfusion from other Yamnaya. That is because there blood was common among them. Soon we will knowif ruling clan Piasts have same bloodline. I can give to a AB+ but cannot not receive. Where do you think AB comes from?[hint look at Harkonnen avatar,> Somalia]

Did you sell your sister to a Arab?

[Peterski]

Also rock art of native Scandinavian I-men depicts the arrival of some R1-men by boats:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?199974-Arrival-of-Indo-Europeans-to-Scandinavia-in-rock-art

This is consistent with Oslund man being descended from immigrants from Baltic States.

[ALL]

Did you sell your sister to a Arab?

You are a little ignorant. My sister cannot naturally have children with Arab men without medical help, she is Arh-..:picard2: Is that why you do not post your genetic information, you are ashamed of your heritage and who you are connected with? Paper trail can be fake, genetic cannot. I post all my genetic, that is the big difference in our debate.

[Rethel]

From which study?

I don't remember, but it was probably this on the farest north here:

71233

[Blanka]

Thanks. I have sent an email to one of the admins for the FTDNA R1a project to discuss if I should buy an SNP pack or if I should save up money for a big Y eventually. I'd rather not do both.


I'll take it you are not a Christian woman

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?211786-Wives-are-obligated-by-the-Church-to-have-sex-on-demand-and-obey-their-husbands&p=4876096#post4876096
LOL, no.