Are the Russians more European or more Asian country (by taxonomy, genetics and culture) ?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

About Russian continental identity

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Bump

[Сербо Макеридов]

More European.

[Ülev]

neither

[Rumata]

A poll with open voices would help more.

[Veslan]

More European. The most of Russians live in the west side of the Urals and are white.

[Ülev]

but West Europe considers only itself "European", EEM and EEW are not Asian, so third way, call it what you want, Tartary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary) or Vatnik Land etc.
there is no need to play someone else if the others don't want it

[Vlatko Vukovic]

but West Europe considers only itself "European", EEM and EEW are not Asian, so third way, call it what you want, Tartary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary) or Vatnik Land etc.
there is no need to play someone else if the others don't want it

It is not important what say West Europe, or Balkans, or Northern Europe. Everybody have his own opinion about Russia.

[Decius]

This is the stupidest thread of all time of course they are much more european

[Vlatko Vukovic]

This is the stupidest thread of all time of course they are much more european

No, this is not stupid thread becouse Russia is Eurasian country, and have more territory in Asia. In history Russians met with a lot of Asiatic tribes and cultures. So this thread is about asiatic influence in this country.

[Harkonnen]

Russians are Proto-Indo-European by culture. Fex whatever Turkicisms they received later to their culture were really just trowback archaisms to earlier Steppic cultures, which included PIE.

[Decius]

No, this is not stupid thread becouse Russia is Eurasian country, and have more territory in Asia. In history Russians met with a lot of Asiatic tribes and cultures. So this thread is about asiatic influence in this country.

By Genetics they are European some Russians in the far east have Siberian admixture but this doesn't make Russians more Asian than european

[Vlatko Vukovic]

By Genetics they are European some Russians in the far east have Siberian admixture but this doesn't make Russians more Asian than european

Some Russian knyaz's (rulers) were direct descedants of Genghis Khan like Simeon Bekbulatovich for example. So they have this influence for sure. Question is how much.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Y DNA of Russia

R1a - 46%

N1c - 23%

I2a - 10,5%

R1b - 6%

I1 - 5%

J2 - 3%

E1b - 2,5%

Q - 1,5%

T - 1,5%

G - 1%

www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

[n1KITA]

certainly European!

[Ülev]

but West Europe considers only itself "European", EEM and EEW are not Asian, so third way, call it what you want, Tartary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary) or Vatnik Land etc.
there is no need to play someone else if the others don't want it


Y DNA of Russia

(...)

R1b - 6%

I1 - 5%

(...)

www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

= 11%

[Vlatko Vukovic]

= 11%

R1a is Indo-European too.

[Ülev]

R1a is Indo-European too.

so what? R1a & R1b fight each other for centuries --> Vanir & Æsir

[Porn Master]

R1a - 46% = Indo-Aryan

N1c - 23% = Uralic

I2a - 10,5% = Balkan

R1b - 6% = Iberian

I1 - 5% = Scandinavian

J2 - 3% = Babylonian

E1b - 2,5% = North African

Q - 1,5% = Scytho-Sarmatian

T - 1,5% = Phoenician

G - 1% = Caucasian

[Vlatko Vukovic]

R1a - 46% = Indo-Aryan

N1c - 23% = Uralic

I2a - 10,5% = Balkan

R1b - 6% = Iberian

I1 - 5% = Scandinavian

J2 - 3% = Babylonian

E1b - 2,5% = North African

Q - 1,5% = Scytho-Sarmatian

T - 1,5% = Phoenician

G - 1% = Caucasian

Haplogroup Q is Central Asian.

[Porn Master]

Haplogroup Q is Central Asian.




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png

[Vlatko Vukovic]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png

I'd rather say that Q comes from the Mongolian steppes. But maybe you are right.

[Ülev]

Q comes from Andids

[ЛыSSый]

About Russian continental identity

Nobody from you know, but let me say: Mongolia is still be russian ally till this time. They are independent in paper, but they are part of Russian Federation, by economic and even use cyrillic font and learn russian language by mass. Why, may you ask. It's easy - the final drang nacht last sea isn't just a legend.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSp7GL9iExI

[Porn Master]

I'd rather say that Q comes from the Mongolian steppes. But maybe you are right.



in Siberia Q is most common among Ket people

[Сербо Макеридов]

= 11%

Yes, R1b+I1=11% in Russia, and what is the point?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Haplogroup Q is Central Asian.

Q haplogroup is originally Siberian (Mongoloid) marker, Scytho-Sarmatian haplogroup were R1a-Z93.

Q haplogroup is most dominant hg. among native Americans, because they came from Siberia in the distant past.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Haplogroup_Q_(Y-DNA).PNG

[Chocolate_Hound]

Only thing tying Russia to Europe at this point is Christianity. Soviet Union was the height of the country's non-Europeanness.

[Borealis]

The Mongol rule over Rus transformed the country into one that is European in language but Oriental in mentality. Fascinating country no doubt.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/1236-1242_Mongol_invasions_of_Europe.jpg

"In Russia, as in almost all of Asia, personalities are more important
than institutions and unwritten tradition is more important than written law and
legal procedures. Unlike Spain, which was conquered by Arabs and regained its
European identity during the Reconquista, Russia, according to these analysts,
was not able to part with its Asian legacy or to live down the trauma inflicted
by the Mongol invasion. It emerged victorious from the ‘Mongolian captivity’
but by that time it had digested and absorbed too many Asian features and is not
likely to part with them even now. The Asian imprint is quite evident in the
Russian psyche."

"Westernizers noted with regret that there was still ‘too much Asia’ and ‘too
little Europe’ in Russia, and that Westernization was superficial and had had an
impact only on the upper strata of Russian society. Basic European values had
not been not assimilated and internalized."

https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/files/books/SIPRI99Chu/SIPRI99Chu03.pdf

[Peterski]

The Mongol rule over Rus transformed the country into one that is European in language but Oriental in mentality. Fascinating country no doubt.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/1236-1242_Mongol_invasions_of_Europe.jpg

"In Russia, as in almost all of Asia, personalities are more important
than institutions and unwritten tradition is more important than written law and
legal procedures. Unlike Spain, which was conquered by Arabs and regained its
European identity during the Reconquista, Russia, according to these analysts,
was not able to part with its Asian legacy or to live down the trauma inflicted
by the Mongol invasion. It emerged victorious from the ‘Mongolian captivity’
but by that time it had digested and absorbed too many Asian features and is not
likely to part with them even now. The Asian imprint is quite evident in the
Russian psyche."

"Westernizers noted with regret that there was still ‘too much Asia’ and ‘too
little Europe’ in Russia, and that Westernization was superficial and had had an
impact only on the upper strata of Russian society. Basic European values had
not been not assimilated and internalized."

https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/files/books/SIPRI99Chu/SIPRI99Chu03.pdf

This Mongol guy says that Russian culture has had a huge impact and influence on Mongolian culture (rather than the other way around); switch on English subtitles:


https://youtu.be/bsL2WKX-mpM

[Borealis]

This Mongol guy says that Russian culture has had a huge impact and influence on Mongolian culture (rather than the other way around); switch on English subtitles:


https://youtu.be/bsL2WKX-mpM

Subtitles not available. Cultural diffusion was bidirectional.

[Arūnas]

own civilisation, VUR civilisation

[Zanzibar]

own civilisation, VUR civilisation

Nah.

[michal3141]

I think ethnic Slavs are still majority in Russia.
If someone claims Russia is Asian, he/she should elaborate which kind of Asian since Asia is the most diverse continent with dozens of civilizations and cultures.

[Blondie]

Gegoraphically its eurasian, culturally, ethnically its european.

[Arūnas]

I think ethnic Slavs are still majority in Russia.
If someone claims Russia is Asian, he/she should elaborate which kind of Asian since Asia is the most diverse continent with dozens of civilizations and cultures.

I have some doubts, read this page on this thread -->>>> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?356314-Which-part-of-Russia-is-culturally-the-most-Russian/page5

[Arūnas]

Gegoraphically its eurasian, culturally, ethnically its european.

no, they can admire Western movies, theatres spectacles, but deep in their veins VUR gene boiling - they take it all very different
you can play the accordion on French manner --> https://youtu.be/BFxZ15xXVRk
or Russian --> https://youtu.be/37l7P5V1eXU

[GDDR6]

Some are Europeans, others are soviets.

[Voskos]

Couldn't be more European. A typical imperialist country and also the biggest in the world by area.

Also the country that helped us achieve independence. Nowadays its political interests are mostly in Asia though.

[Rumata]

I doubt anyone here even knows what Mongol culture really is. Neither do I.

[Hungarian_master]

Gegoraphically its eurasian, culturally, ethnically its european.

+1

[Borealis]

Gegoraphically its eurasian, culturally, ethnically its european.

Surprised you think this

[Salty Ears]

Some are Europeans, others are soviets.

This makes sense, since the Eurasian idea was formed during the Soviet Union, in it and among the Russian emigration, which was disappointed. And before that there were Westernizers and Slavophilia public thoughts. Also Pochvennichistvo that adopted many things from Westernizers and Slavophilia but also criticized it was about unique russian national character. Pochvennichestvo from Dostoevsky to Solzhenitsyn, soviet Village Proza writers who couldnt't create great philosophy or conceptions in USSR reality but added many for self identity of Russians instead of Eurasian chimera. Nowadays russian public thought is closer to Pochvennichistvo and state idea maybe eurasian but in pragmatical way.

[Nausevar]

What is Asian culture? Japan is very different from India, Pakistan, Iran, or Turkey.
Russia has always been its own thing.

[Salty Ears]

no, they can admire Western movies, theatres spectacles, but deep in their veins VUR gene boiling - they take it all very different
you can play the accordion on French manner --> https://youtu.be/BFxZ15xXVRk
or Russian --> https://youtu.be/37l7P5V1eXU

In Russia accordion associated with rural folk music and here you try to compare this war songs bard-rock musician with accordeon relevant somewhere in Montmartre, while its better to compare french stuff with Russian seven-string guitar romance. It is typical for you forgery of values when you try to show archaic elements of russian culture as something non european, while its just more ancient than elements appeared in medieval ore modern time. About theatre spectacles, are you serious to write this about russians?

[Lemminkäinen]

no, they can admire Western movies, theatres spectacles, but deep in their veins VUR gene boiling - they take it all very different
you can play the accordion on French manner --> https://youtu.be/BFxZ15xXVRk
or Russian --> https://youtu.be/37l7P5V1eXU

Or on FU manner

https://youtu.be/RqpvZjtQlv0

But of the topic, Russians are not a country. Russia is a country.

[Nanushka]

I doubt anyone here even knows what Mongol culture really is. Neither do I.

Mongol name didnt exist until mid 1200s when Chingis Khan and his hordes invaded Europe up to central regions. Some historians says they are coming from Donghu (later on Xianbei) who were actually some admixture of the Sinids, Tungids and Xiongnu (Huns). This is not totally proven yet but even if true, Hun contribution was minor and Chingis had Hun blood. Their culture was (and is, even today) somewhat similar to Altai Turks but despite similarities in culture there are many differences too, especially in language kinship and relationships, its in monographies. Regarding the land of Russians, it is interesting to note that Russian knez had opportunity to expand and capture the vast land of Golden Horde after its fall, extending to today, so I would call them Eurasian, not European nor Asian

[Sandman]

Geographically, Russia is a Euro-Asian state. Genetically, Russians are Europeans. Culturally, Russia is not Europe. Russians have their own identity. Mentally they are closer to China than to Europe.

[Blondie]

Surprised you think this

Why?

[Borealis]

Why?

You and many other members here notably Finnish Swede seem to some extent Russophobic and often downplay Russias connection to Europe even Eastern Europe.

[wvwvw]

More European. The most of Russians live in the west side of the Urals and are white.

It should sell the other half to Chinese who number 1,4 billion

[Russki]

In history Russians met with a lot of Asiatic tribes and cultures.

No, we never met Bosnians

[Mortimer]

I consider them more European by every criteria. They have geography in asia, but they are asian as canadians are eskimos. They have some asian minorities, but even those are heavily mixed with slavs, and probably red haired etc.