Sicilian GEDmatch result from Ragusa: thoughts on it?

[Sikeliot]

Definitely a NE European shift on some calculators and close to modern Greeks.

The high Atlantic-Med is reminiscent to me of Mycenaeans.

This is what I expected the person from Enna to be like but they were not.

Eurogenes K15:
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 25.71
2 West_Med 15.96
3 North_Sea 15.87
4 Atlantic 15.13
5 West_Asian 12.77
6 Red_Sea 6.24
7 Baltic 3.45
8 Eastern_Euro 1.94
9 South_Asian 1.09
10 Sub-Saharan 0.78
11 Siberian 0.49
12 Northeast_African 0.45
13 Southeast_Asian 0.08
14 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 5.2
2 East_Sicilian 6.61
3 West_Sicilian 6.79
4 Central_Greek 7.22
5 Ashkenazi 7.94
6 Tuscan 8.11
7 South_Italian 8.32
8 Greek_Thessaly 9.27
9 Italian_Jewish 10.5
10 Greek 11.13
11 Sephardic_Jewish 11.98
12 Algerian_Jewish 12.81
13 North_Italian 13.99
14 Bulgarian 16.1
15 Tunisian_Jewish 16.1
16 Libyan_Jewish 16.44
17 Romanian 17.06
18 Serbian 19.26
19 Cyprian 19.29
20 Spanish_Extremadura 20.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.5% Spanish_Galicia + 42.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 2.86
2 58.2% Portuguese + 41.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.12
3 54.9% Cyprian + 45.1% French @ 3.16
4 53% French + 47% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.2
5 77.6% Italian_Jewish + 22.4% Orcadian @ 3.34
6 72.4% Italian_Jewish + 27.6% West_German @ 3.37
7 56.6% Spanish_Galicia + 43.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.38
8 69.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 30.5% West_German @ 3.52
9 62.2% Cyprian + 37.8% Southwest_English @ 3.59
10 77.1% Italian_Jewish + 22.9% North_Dutch @ 3.6
11 78.6% Italian_Jewish + 21.4% West_Norwegian @ 3.62
12 76% Italian_Jewish + 24% Southwest_English @ 3.64
13 50.9% Spanish_Galicia + 49.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.67
14 51.6% French + 48.4% Samaritan @ 3.68
15 57.7% Spanish_Galicia + 42.3% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.75
16 77.6% Italian_Jewish + 22.4% West_Scottish @ 3.75
17 76.4% Italian_Jewish + 23.6% Southeast_English @ 3.75
18 56% Spanish_Galicia + 44% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.76
19 77.4% Italian_Jewish + 22.6% Irish @ 3.78
20 78.1% Italian_Jewish + 21.9% Norwegian @ 3.78



Dodecad K7b:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 37.65
2 Southern 34.25
3 West_Asian 25.26
4 African 1.4
5 South_Asian 0.87
6 Siberian 0.47
7 East_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 3.78
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 3.98
3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 4.86
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 5.54
5 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 5.93
6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 6.17
7 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.15
8 TSI30 (Metspalu) 11.83
9 O_Italian (Dodecad) 12.72
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.98
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 14.95
12 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 18.34
13 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 19.17
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.66
15 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.68
16 Romanians (Behar) 20.18
17 Cypriots (Behar) 21.5
18 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.82
19 Canarias (1000Genomes) 24.16
20 Turks (Behar) 24.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.4% Extremadura (1000Genomes) + 40.6% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.5
2 72.7% Tuscan (HGDP) + 27.3% Syrians (Behar) @ 0.67
3 59.3% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 40.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.68
4 57.1% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 42.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 0.73
5 58.2% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 41.8% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 0.78
6 60.2% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 39.8% Syrians (Behar) @ 0.79
7 58.6% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 41.4% Lebanese (Behar) @ 0.84
8 57.3% Spanish (Dodecad) + 42.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 0.85
9 91.4% Greek (Dodecad) + 8.6% Yemenese (Behar) @ 0.85
10 70.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 29.1% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 0.89
11 68.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Lebanese (Behar) @ 0.96
12 58.1% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 41.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.01
13 59.8% Andalucia (1000Genomes) + 40.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.01
14 59.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 40.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.05
15 57% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 43% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 1.08
16 56.9% Galicia (1000Genomes) + 43.1% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.08
17 59.5% Portuguese (Dodecad) + 40.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.09
18 57.5% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) + 42.5% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 1.09
19 55.5% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 44.5% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 1.1
20 55.6% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 44.4% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 1.11


Dodecad K12b:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 28.62
2 Atlantic_Med 27.36
3 North_European 16.2
4 Southwest_Asian 12.93
5 Gedrosia 8.57
6 Northwest_African 4.59
7 Sub_Saharan 0.59
8 South_Asian 0.57
9 Siberian 0.57

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.15
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 9.34
3 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.61
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 9.96
5 Greek (Dodecad) 10.91
6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 10.99
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 11.24
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.82
9 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.19
10 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.28
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 13.7
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 17.53
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.23
14 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 19.51
15 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 20.22
16 Romanians (Behar) 20.64
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 22.81
18 Cypriots (Behar) 22.94
19 Lebanese (Behar) 24.08
20 Turks (Behar) 24.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 22% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.85
2 78.1% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 21.9% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.94
3 73.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 26.4% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 3.03
4 76% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 24% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 3.03
5 74.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 25.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 3.13
6 76.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 23.5% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.18
7 76.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 23.6% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3.3
8 73.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 26.4% German (Dodecad) @ 3.32
9 52.9% Druze (HGDP) + 47.1% French (Dodecad) @ 3.39
10 58.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 41.9% Lebanese (Behar) @ 3.39
11 76.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 23.7% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.4
12 75.2% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 24.8% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 3.41
13 75.3% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 24.7% English (Dodecad) @ 3.43
14 75% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 25% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 3.54
15 52.8% Druze (HGDP) + 47.2% French (HGDP) @ 3.55
16 76% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 24% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.63
17 75.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 24.2% British (Dodecad) @ 3.69
18 74.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 25.5% Jordanians (Behar) @ 3.8
19 57.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 42.6% French (HGDP) @ 3.81
20 75.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 24.4% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 3.82


MDLP K23:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.99
2 European_Early_Farmers 24.17
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 13.12
4 Near_East 11.21
5 South_Central_Asian 6.97
6 North_African 4.57
7 Ancestral_Altaic 2.14


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Sicilian_West_ @ 2.543158
2 Ashkenazi_Jew_ @ 4.543022
3 Sicilian_Siracusa_ @ 4.738855
4 Sicilian_Trapani_ @ 4.895335
5 Sicilian_Agrigento_ @ 5.403305
6 Sicilian_East_ @ 6.057373
7 Ashkenazi_ @ 6.869631
8 Maltese_ @ 6.877032
9 Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 7.007323
10 Romanian_Jew_ @ 7.780839
11 Cretan_ @ 8.200263
12 French_Jew_ @ 8.422189
13 Sicilian_Center_ @ 9.015857
14 Greek_Athens_ @ 9.178296
15 Greek_Peloponnesos_ @ 9.187266
16 Central_Greek_ @ 9.301504
17 Italian_South_ @ 9.335117
18 Greek_ @ 9.441357
19 Greek_Phokaia_ @ 9.531925
20 Greek_Northwest_ @ 9.883576

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Sicilian_West_ +50% Sicilian_West_ @ 2.543158


MDLP World:
# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 39.1
2 Middle_East 22.72
3 Caucaus_Parsia 19.56
4 North_and_East_European 14.27
5 Indian 2.17
6 Sub_Saharian 0.76
7 Paleo_African 0.6
8 North_Asian 0.58
9 Mesoamerican 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Romania 2.51
2 Greek_South 6.2
3 Greek_East 6.26
4 Italian-Center 6.68
5 Ashkenazim_V 6.99
6 Greek_Center 7
7 Sicilian 7.08
8 Greek_North 7.14
9 Greek_Cretan 8.34
10 Italian-South 8.39
11 Ashkenazim 9.6
12 Jew_France 10.85
13 Jew_Italia 11.13
14 Greek_Azov 12.54
15 Sephardim 13.3
16 Gagauz 14.27
17 Jew_Algeria 14.81
18 Tatar_Crim 15.03
19 Italian-North 16.07
20 Jew_Tunisia 16.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.3% Greek_South + 16.7% Palestinian @ 1.13
2 59.9% Portugese + 40.1% Jew_Kurd @ 1.25
3 82.8% Greek_South + 17.2% Jordanian @ 1.42
4 93% Jew_Romania + 7% Roma @ 1.5
5 96.5% Jew_Romania + 3.5% Jew_India @ 1.6
6 60.2% Portugese + 39.8% Jew-Iran @ 1.67
7 90.1% Greek_South + 9.9% Saudi @ 1.67
8 53.9% Italian_North + 46.1% Lebanese @ 1.68
9 84.9% Greek_South + 15.1% Samaritian @ 1.69
10 96.8% Jew_Romania + 3.2% Sindhi @ 1.72
11 57% Iberian + 43% Jew_Kurd @ 1.72
12 97.3% Jew_Romania + 2.7% Indian @ 1.73
13 58.8% Portugese + 41.2% Jew_Iraqi @ 1.75
14 56.5% Italian_North + 43.5% Syrian @ 1.75
15 51.9% Provancal + 48.1% Lebanese @ 1.83
16 96.7% Jew_Romania + 3.3% Pathan @ 1.86
17 81.8% Greek_South + 18.2% Syrian @ 1.9
18 97% Jew_Romania + 3% Balochi @ 1.93
19 89.5% Greek_South + 10.5% Bedouin @ 1.93
20 97.1% Jew_Romania + 2.9% Burusho @ 1.95


PuntDNA-L K13:
# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 36.41
2 West_Asia 21.57
3 NE_Europe 20.97
4 SW_Asia 15.37
5 South_Asia 2
6 Siberia 1.03
7 West_Africa 0.81
8 East_Africa 0.76
9 NE_Asia 0.44
10 SE_Asia 0.41
11 Americas 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 4.75
2 Greek_Central 4.78
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 5.57
4 Italian_Sicilian 6.6
5 Greek_Thessaly 7.39
6 Albanian 7.7
7 Kosovar 9.17
8 Sephardic_Jew 9.45
9 Italian_Tuscan 9.57
10 Bulgarian 13.16
11 Macedonian 13.57
12 Romanian 15.02
13 Italian_Bergamo 15.51
14 Montenegrin 16.23
15 Turkish 16.64
16 Turkish_Aydin 18.02
17 Cypriot 18.34
18 Serbian 18.66
19 Turkish_Kayseri 19.42
20 Spaniard 20.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.7% Italian_Sicilian + 10.3% Finnish @ 2.11
2 86.9% Italian_Sicilian + 13.1% Mordovian @ 2.29
3 87.5% Italian_Sicilian + 12.5% Russian @ 2.29
4 51% Spaniard + 49% Syrian @ 2.38
5 73.3% Italian_Tuscan + 26.7% Palestinian @ 2.43
6 75.9% Albanian + 24.1% Jordanian @ 2.45
7 71.4% Italian_Tuscan + 28.6% Jordanian @ 2.48
8 79.6% Italian_Sicilian + 20.4% Moldavian @ 2.48
9 77.8% Albanian + 22.2% Palestinian @ 2.49
10 89% Italian_Sicilian + 11% Latvian @ 2.53
11 88.6% Italian_Sicilian + 11.4% Estonian @ 2.56
12 88.9% Italian_Sicilian + 11.1% Lithuanian @ 2.57
13 80.8% Albanian + 19.2% Egyptian_Copts @ 2.58
14 70.9% Italian_Sicilian + 29.1% Romanian @ 2.58
15 86.7% Italian_Sicilian + 13.3% Belarusian @ 2.6
16 53% Spaniard + 47% Lebanese_Muslim @ 2.61
17 62% Sephardic_Jew + 38% Romanian @ 2.62
18 87.8% Italian_Sicilian + 12.2% Polish @ 2.63
19 58.5% Italian_Bergamo + 41.5% Syrian @ 2.63
20 58.7% Sephardic_Jew + 41.3% Bulgarian @ 2.64


Eurasia K9 ASI:
# Population Percent
1 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 30.07
2 WHG 23.28
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 20.43
4 SW_Asian 20.18
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 2.91
6 W_African 1.72
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.39
8 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian 2.82
2 Maltese 4.47
3 Greek 5.81
4 Tuscan 8.13
5 Albanian 8.18
6 Bulgarian 13.89
7 Turkish 16.21
8 Cypriot 16.37
9 Spanish 18.28
10 Lebanese 21.26
11 Kumyk 21.91
12 Adygei 22.25
13 Druze 22.46
14 Croatian 22.64
15 Syrian 22.98
16 Armenian 23.1
17 Jordanian 23.54
18 French 23.54
19 Sardinian 24.11
20 Chechen 24.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.3% Sicilian + 4.7% Tatars @ 2.33
2 98.2% Sicilian + 1.8% Loschbour @ 2.37
3 98.1% Sicilian + 1.9% Bichon @ 2.39
4 98.1% Sicilian + 1.9% LaBrana1 @ 2.4
5 96.6% Sicilian + 3.4% RISE_irSca @ 2.41
6 96.3% Sicilian + 3.7% Russian @ 2.42
7 96.8% Sicilian + 3.2% Karelia @ 2.43
8 96.8% Sicilian + 3.2% Finnish @ 2.45
9 98.4% Sicilian + 1.6% SATSURBILA @ 2.47
10 96.2% Sicilian + 3.8% Turkmen_Afghan @ 2.47
11 96.1% Sicilian + 3.9% Ukrainian @ 2.52
12 97.1% Sicilian + 2.9% Estonian @ 2.52
13 96.7% Sicilian + 3.3% Tajik_Pomiri @ 2.53
14 96.6% Sicilian + 3.4% Uzbek_Afghan @ 2.53
15 96.7% Sicilian + 3.3% Belarusian @ 2.53
16 96.9% Sicilian + 3.1% Uzbek @ 2.53
17 98.9% Sicilian + 1.1% Nganasan @ 2.54
18 97.2% Sicilian + 2.8% Lithuanian @ 2.54
19 96.4% Sicilian + 3.6% Turkmen @ 2.54
20 97.1% Sicilian + 2.9% Hazara_Afghan @ 2.55


Near East Neolithic K13:
# Population Percent
1 CHG_EEF 32.05
2 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 23.01
3 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 15.56
4 NATUFIAN 14.45
5 SHG_WHG 6.45
6 EHG 3.23
7 SUB_SAHARAN 1.65
8 POLAR 1.39
9 KARITIANA 1.24
10 SIBERIAN 0.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Sicilian 4.66
2 Jew_Ashkenazi 6.88
3 Italian_South 7.46
4 Greek 7.65
5 Jew_Moroccan 9.83
6 Albanian 10.51
7 Turkish 12.73
8 Turkish_Istanbul 12.75
9 Cypriot 12.86
10 Turkish_Balekesir 15.08
11 Bulgarian 15.33
12 Jew_Tunisian 15.64
13 Jew_Libyan 15.85
14 Turkish_Aydin 16.04
15 Turkish_Adana 16.08
16 Turkish_Kayseri 16.58
17 Romanian 18.51
18 Lebanese 18.68
19 Turkish_Trabzon 19.41
20 Armenian 21.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.8% Sicilian + 7.2% Iran_recent @ 3.12
2 94.6% Sicilian + 5.4% Iran_ChL @ 3.15
3 59.9% Turkish_Adana + 40.1% Sardinian @ 3.47
4 96.8% Sicilian + 3.2% Iran_LN @ 3.63
5 96.8% Sicilian + 3.2% Iran_N @ 3.63
6 93.4% Sicilian + 6.6% Armenia_MLBA @ 3.77
7 93.3% Sicilian + 6.7% Armenia_ChL @ 3.78
8 87.6% Italian_South + 12.4% Anatolia_ChL @ 3.87
9 88.2% Sicilian + 11.8% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.91
10 85.6% Italian_South + 14.4% Armenia_ChL @ 3.96
11 92.8% Sicilian + 7.2% Kurd_C @ 3.99
12 90.9% Sicilian + 9.1% Assyrian @ 4.04
13 58% Greek + 42% Jew_Moroccan @ 4.06
14 95.5% Sicilian + 4.5% Makrani @ 4.07
15 95.8% Sicilian + 4.2% Brahui @ 4.11
16 92.9% Sicilian + 7.1% Iranian_Lori @ 4.12
17 95.4% Sicilian + 4.6% Anatolia_ChL @ 4.12
18 90.6% Sicilian + 9.4% Armenian @ 4.13
19 91.6% Sicilian + 8.4% Jew_Iranian @ 4.14
20 88.2% Sicilian + 11.8% Turkish_Kayseri @ 4.14

[Coolguy1]

What i get on puntdnal for comparison

77.7% Italian_Sicilian + 22.3% Mordovian @ 2.03

[Sikeliot]

What i get on puntdnal for comparison

77.7% Italian_Sicilian + 22.3% Mordovian @ 2.03

So compared to the Sicilian average, this area of the island seems to be halfway shifted to southern Greeks. Clearly some of the NE European in Greeks is native and existed early enough to be carried to Sicily. The high Atlanto-Med is also reminiscent of Mycenaeans.

[Hadouken]

What i get on puntdnal for comparison

77.7% Italian_Sicilian + 22.3% Mordovian @ 2.03


75% Night_Club + 25% Slavic @ 0.00

[Coolguy1]

So compared to the Sicilian average, this area of the island seems to be halfway shifted to southern Greeks. Clearly some of the NE European in Greeks is native and existed early enough to be carried to Sicily. The high Atlanto-Med is also reminiscent of Mycenaeans.

If we are using this sample as an ancient Greek proxy then modern Greeks can be modeled as around 10-15% Slavic

[Sikeliot]

If we are using this sample as an ancient Greek proxy then modern Greeks can be modeled as around 10-15% Slavic

That would require southeastern Sicilians to be 100% Greek. Do you think they are? Definitely significantly so, and they could very well be a good proxy (after all, they are similar to people in Apulia who also have a lot of Greek), but I am unsure if identical. What are your thoughts.

[catgeorge]

As I keep saying - Sicilians are genetically closer to other Italians than to Greeks.

[Sikeliot]

As I keep saying - Sicilians are genetically closer to other Italians than to Greeks.

When you consider that ancient mainlanders would have been less Eastern European than today, ancient Spartans for instance would, too, have been closer to say, Abruzzo than to modern mainland Greeks.

[catgeorge]

When you consider that ancient mainlanders would have been less Eastern European than today, ancient Spartans for instance would, too, have been closer to say, Abruzzo than to modern mainland Greeks.

In your dreams - you have nothing to do with Greeks. If some ancient temples makes you feel Greek then 35% of Europe is culturally and genetically Greek.

But we both know they are not including Sicilians.

[Coolguy1]

That would require southeastern Sicilians to be 100% Greek. Do you think they are? Definitely significantly so, and they could very well be a good proxy (after all, they are similar to people in Apulia who also have a lot of Greek), but I am unsure if identical. What are your thoughts.

Probably not all of it, but the good majority of it.

[Sikeliot]

In your dreams - you have nothing to do with Greeks. If some ancient temples makes you feel Greek then 35% of Europe is culturally and genetically Greek.

But we both know they are not including Sicilians.

You're Epirote... a Hellenized Albanian. You're not similar to Sorcelow's result above nor to the Sicilian either... That Sicilian is probably more Greek than you. You don't get to decide who is and isn't Greek.

[catgeorge]

You're Epirote... a Hellenized Albanian. You're not similar to Sorcelow's result above nor to the Sicilian either... That Sicilian is probably more Greek than you.

Whoever wants to enter the Greek realm will need to get past us first. We have been going this for 10,000 years and if some Gypsoids that want to enter the Greek realm without knowing to string a sentence in Greek nor culturally Greek its application is violently declined

http://www.aee.gr/english/5sarakatsani/sarakatsani.html

[Sikeliot]

Whoever wants to enter the Greek realm will need to get past us first. We have been going this for 10,000 years and if some Gypsoids that want to enter the Greek realm without knowing to string a sentence in Greek nor culturally Greek its application is violently declined

http://www.aee.gr/english/5sarakatsani/sarakatsani.html

And who was it brought into the Peloponnese by the Byzantines to ward off the Slavs and re-Hellenize the land? Wasn't your people up north who were wholly Slavicized... it was Greek-speaking people from southern Italy, Crete, and Anatolia.

[catgeorge]

And who was it brought into the Peloponnese by the Byzantines to ward off the Slavs and re-Hellenize the land? Wasn't your people up north who were wholly Slavicized... it was Greek-speaking people from southern Italy, Crete, and Anatolia.

Are you sure these are the facts? Because you are about to get polished.

[Sikeliot]

Are you sure these are the facts? Because you are about to get polished.

At this point I just want the thread to not get off topic. I want that specific result to be discussed, so if the off-topic continues I will move it to another thread.

[Coolguy1]

Can you please post Puntdnal k15 as well

[Sikeliot]

Can you please post Puntdnal k15 as well

Here it is. For comparison I ran through some people from a few other regions (Palermo, Agrigento, Messina) who had almost 0 distance to Ashkenazim so this person is 7-10% or so NE European shifted by comparison.


# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 37.7
2 NE_European 24.37
3 Caucasian 20.18
4 SW_Asian 11.22
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.45
6 S_Indian 1.33
7 Omo_River 1.07
8 Siberian 0.66
9 W_African 0.55
10 Beringian 0.32
11 Amerindian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.87
2 Sicilian 6.84
3 Tuscan 7.03
4 Albanian 7.34
5 Greek_Central 7.63
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.37
7 Sephardic_Jew 9.02
8 Italian 13.23
9 Montenegrin 14.07
10 Bulgarian 15.72
11 Romanian 16.48
12 Brazilian 16.76
13 Macedonian 17.78
14 Portuguese 18.84
15 Bosnian 19.89
16 Spaniard 20.28
17 Cypriot 21.21
18 Lebanese 23.17
19 Palestinian 23.39
20 Turk_Kayseri 23.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.2% Spaniard + 42.8% Druze @ 1.95
2 91.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.6% Mordovian @ 2.37
3 83.8% Tuscan + 16.2% Yemenese @ 2.42
4 91.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.2% Finnish @ 2.44
5 65.1% Italian + 34.9% Samaritian @ 2.44
6 91.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.4% Russian @ 2.49
7 82.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 17.5% Bosnian @ 2.5
8 51.6% Samaritian + 48.4% French @ 2.52
9 92.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 2.52
10 91.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.2% Belarusian @ 2.54
11 78.8% Albanian + 21.2% Jordanian @ 2.54
12 91.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.2% Karelian @ 2.55
13 88.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.5% Austrian @ 2.58
14 87.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 12.4% Croatian @ 2.62
15 88.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.7% Hungarian @ 2.62
16 90.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 9.1% Polish @ 2.64
17 84% Tuscan + 16% Bedouin_A @ 2.65
18 88.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.2% Slovenian @ 2.65
19 83.3% Albanian + 16.7% Bedouin_A @ 2.71
20 82.5% Tuscan + 17.5% Yemenite_Jew @ 2.73

[Coolguy1]

Here it is. For comparison I ran through some people from a few other regions (Palermo, Agrigento, Messina) who had almost 0 distance to Ashkenazim so this person is 7-10% or so NE European shifted by comparison.


# Population Percent
1 Mediterranean 37.7
2 NE_European 24.37
3 Caucasian 20.18
4 SW_Asian 11.22
5 Horn_Of_Africa 2.45
6 S_Indian 1.33
7 Omo_River 1.07
8 Siberian 0.66
9 W_African 0.55
10 Beringian 0.32
11 Amerindian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazy_Jew 4.87
2 Sicilian 6.84
3 Tuscan 7.03
4 Albanian 7.34
5 Greek_Central 7.63
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.37
7 Sephardic_Jew 9.02
8 Italian 13.23
9 Montenegrin 14.07
10 Bulgarian 15.72
11 Romanian 16.48
12 Brazilian 16.76
13 Macedonian 17.78
14 Portuguese 18.84
15 Bosnian 19.89
16 Spaniard 20.28
17 Cypriot 21.21
18 Lebanese 23.17
19 Palestinian 23.39
20 Turk_Kayseri 23.58

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.2% Spaniard + 42.8% Druze @ 1.95
2 91.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.6% Mordovian @ 2.37
3 83.8% Tuscan + 16.2% Yemenese @ 2.42
4 91.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.2% Finnish @ 2.44
5 65.1% Italian + 34.9% Samaritian @ 2.44
6 91.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.4% Russian @ 2.49
7 82.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 17.5% Bosnian @ 2.5
8 51.6% Samaritian + 48.4% French @ 2.52
9 92.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 2.52
10 91.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.2% Belarusian @ 2.54
11 78.8% Albanian + 21.2% Jordanian @ 2.54
12 91.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 8.2% Karelian @ 2.55
13 88.5% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.5% Austrian @ 2.58
14 87.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 12.4% Croatian @ 2.62
15 88.3% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.7% Hungarian @ 2.62
16 90.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 9.1% Polish @ 2.64
17 84% Tuscan + 16% Bedouin_A @ 2.65
18 88.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 11.2% Slovenian @ 2.65
19 83.3% Albanian + 16.7% Bedouin_A @ 2.71
20 82.5% Tuscan + 17.5% Yemenite_Jew @ 2.73

1 80% Ashkenazy_Jew + 20% Mordovian @ 1.74

Mine on K13, the mainland connection is obviously there. We differ in me having 11.5% more northeastern Euro.

[Sikeliot]

1 80% Ashkenazy_Jew + 20% Mordovian @ 1.74

Mine on K13, the mainland connection is obviously there. We differ in me having 11.5% more northeastern Euro.

If you look here, the light brown shaded areas -- SE Sicily up the coast and Apulia -- are Doric. They saw Sparta and other Peloponnese cities as their mother cities.

http://www.ancient.eu/img/r/p/750/1058.png?v=1485680381

[Lucas]

But Doric means less East-MEd for example?

[Sikeliot]

But Doric means less East-MEd for example?

This person has less East Med than what is average. The average I get when I run all my samples is around 30%, and I have some people with 33-34%.

[Coolguy1]

I think an inner Maniot will score similarly to this person

[Sikeliot]

I think an inner Maniot will score similarly to this person

You posted some who were similar to this.

This type of result could represent Sicilians with less MENA, and Greeks with less Slavic.

[Sp_loa]

I find these results kind of similar to my results...