European Genocide

[Hume de Bruyn]

European Genocide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQQGi63rks

What more can I say? Why is our Governments allowing this? Why not close borders? Why not protect our heritage and traditions? God, and the few behind the scenes, only knows why...

(orinignal post on Germanic Forums http://gpa.informe.com/forum/)

[Aragorn]

Well, take a look around the main European cities and one feels he is in Turkey.

Were I live, atleast 40% of the people is of non-European origin.

Welcome to the Netherlands:mad:

[The Dragonslayer]

I'm here in the United States. I live in North Carolina. I often feel like I'm in Mexico. We have had swarms of Mexicans move here over the years. We always had a lot of blacks, but the Mexicans are giving blacks a run for their money. This doesn't even seem like America anymore. I feel the pain you guys are going through over in Europe. I don't understand why the West has become so suicidal.

[Sigurd]

The fact that we have immigrants pouring in our country does in no way, shape or form contribute towards our slow diminishing. It only "aids" us becoming the minority in our own countries.

Sure, it makes sure that we are being outbred in our own countries --- but the remedy against a low fertility rate is likely not sending all the foreigners home (though repatration should be supported as a method, a means, and eventually probably a necessity), and it's not arguing about whether the Holocaust happened or not --- the only way to counter the low fertility rate amongst Europeans is probably by actually going out to have kids.

As such, even if all the immigration issues are sorted - we still need proper family politics to be made; family politics is something they don't focus on particularly much, be it as a by-product of mass immigration, or a result or agenda thereof. ;)

[Æmeric]

The primary problem is immigration & the rapid growth of minority populations in our homelands, in addition to miscegenation. Most of the population growth in the US over the last 50-years have been from non-Europid immigration & the subsidized procreation of US Negroes. But Euro-Americans still make up at least 190 million, Germanics 150 million. In Sweden there are about 7.8 million Swedes out of a population of 9.2 million. 7.8 million is an historically high number, there were only about 5 million in 1900 & perhaps 1 million + in America. Even if the ethnic Swede population fell by 25% over the next 50-years because of negative fertility rates, there would still be more Swedes then there has ever been throughout most of recorded history, it is those nearly 1 1/2 million aliens in Sweden that are the problem. The situation is the same throughout the West, our populations are at historical highs but we have large & growing populations of non-Europids within our mists - if we could repatriate them to their lands of origins, we would not have to worry about our genocide or extinction.

[The Dragonslayer]

Which European nations have the highest birthrates of its citizens? Also which ones seem to be the furthest away from an immigrant population becoming the majority in the next 50 years or so?

[Lenny]

Which European nations have the highest birthrates of its citizens?Albania is the highest at over 2.1 :shocked:
Iceland is close behind it, and is the only non-Muslim European nationality with a fertility-rate above 2.0 ... Most of the rest of Europe is at or below 1.5 :(

Locally, gypsies in Eastern Europe continue to have very high birth-rates (one in five babies born in Hungary is a gypsy) and the same for many nonwhite immigrant groups in western cities. It's never wise to trust TFR figures for European countries, because immigrant births always inflate them.


Also which ones seem to be the furthest away from an immigrant population becoming the majority in the next 50 years or so?Eastern Europe is least affected by immigration, but they also have the lowest birthrates of all and lots of outmigration of their own citizens.

[The Dragonslayer]

Albania is the highest at over 2.1 :shocked:
Iceland is close behind it, and is the only non-Muslim European nationality with a fertility-rate above 2.0 ... Most of the rest of Europe is at or below 1.5 :(

Locally, gypsies in Eastern Europe continue to have very high birth-rates (one in five babies born in Hungary is a gypsy) and the same for many nonwhite immigrant groups in western cities. It's never wise to trust TFR figures for European countries, because immigrant births always inflate them.

Eastern Europe is least affected by immigration, but they also have the lowest birthrates of all and lots of outmigration of their own citizens.

Wow! That is an incredibly low birthrate across Europe then. I knew than many countries had low birthrates. I guess I just didn't realize it was as widespread as it is. Why is it so low though?

[Lenny]

Why is it so low though?
Many reasons, mostly related to modern people being lazy/selfish.

Infanticide is a big reason. For example: 1-in-6 babies conceived in Germany and Netherlands are aborted, 1-in-4 in Sweden, 1-in-5 in Britain.

Again in Eastern-Europe it is much worse: The majority of babies conceived in Eastern Europe during the past 20 years were aborted... In the early 1990s the rate was 75%+ in some ex-east-bloc countries! The communists were very sick, and promoted infanticide. Even in Russia today 55% or so of babies are aborted.

[Arrow Cross]

Many reasons, mostly related to modern people being lazy/selfish.

Infanticide is a big reason. For example: 1-in-6 babies conceived in Germany and Netherlands are aborted, 1-in-4 in Sweden, 1-in-5 in Britain.

Again in Eastern-Europe it is much worse: The majority of babies conceived in Eastern Europe during the past 20 years were aborted... In the early 1990s the rate was 75%+ in some ex-east-bloc countries! The communists were very sick, and promoted infanticide. Even in Russia today 55% or so of babies are aborted.
Actually, abortion was outright banned in some Communist satelite states for shorter or longer periods of time, but the laws regarding it weren't so liberal as they are now even at the end. It is rather the economic crisis that those 40 years led to, which drives so many women to abortion: especially in Hungary, where the red leadership simply proclaimed that they're "Socialists" and continued ruling.

Living standards are so much below the Western ones that it's hard enough to maintain a single household, not everyone can allow themselves children, let alone a large(3+ kids) family.
On the other hand, while we suffer from this, we almost don't get any immigrants at all, for obvious reasons. I'm personally better with this option.

P.s.: Welcome here, Lenny, I can already sense this forum will be the place of your tearful re-union with Stan. :p

[The Dragonslayer]

So what do you guys think is the answer to increase the birthrate? Outlaw abortion except in certain cases? Give more incentives to have more children? What exactly?

[007]

I don't think we need to increase the birthrate. I agree with Aemeric that immigration is the problem. Without millions of aliens in our midst a population decline wouldn't matter much. After the Black Death, the lot of the common man was improved by shortage of labour.

[Arrow Cross]

Agreed, we rather need quality than quantity. I'm not in the favour of unlimited abortion, but sure as hell wouldn't ban it completely. We need to get non-Whites out, yes, but we also need a healhy policy of eugenics.

[Lenny]

Actually, abortion was outright banned in some Communist satelite states for shorter or longer periods of time, but the laws regarding it weren't so liberal as they are now even at the end. It is rather the economic crisis that those 40 years led to, which drives so many women to abortion: especially in Hungary, where the red leadership simply proclaimed that they're "Socialists" and continued ruling.Well the USSR itself legalized (and basically promoted) abortion from the very beginning under Lenin. All of its post-1945 puppets legalized it in the postwar period as far as I know. Maybe some held out longer than others, if that's what you mean.

Communist economics can partly be blamed, but that alone is probably too easy. Plenty of countries with weak economies have high birthrates, after all. More important are the changes in the "spirit of the people" that communist rule directly created: Hopelessness, complacency, nihilism, pessimism, sapped-initiative, weakened senses of traditional identity.

Ironically, the western countries post-1945 went a much different route but came to a similar destination as the east (soft nihilism).

[Lenny]

I don't think we need to increase the birthrate. I agree with Aemeric that immigration is the problem. Without millions of aliens in our midst a population decline wouldn't matter much. After the Black Death, the lot of the common man was improved by shortage of labour.
You're right that anyone who would call for 4 children per woman in today's crowded Europe would be insane.

But the rate is inching slowly downward towards closer to 1 child per woman. Simple mathematics dictates that a Total-Fertility-Rate of 1.0 means the next generation would have exactly half as many people as the parent's. A few generations of halvings like that, and the result is clear. Add in outmarriage [miscegenation], and racial-obliteration is the fitting term. :eek:

[Arrow Cross]

Well the USSR itself legalized (and basically promoted) abortion from the very beginning under Lenin. All of its post-1945 puppets legalized it in the postwar period as far as I know. Maybe some held out longer than others, if that's what you mean.

Communist economics can partly be blamed, but that alone is probably too easy. Plenty of countries with weak economies have high birthrates, after all. More important are the changes in the "spirit of the people" that communist rule directly created: Hopelessness, complacency, nihilism, pessimism, sapped-initiative, weakened senses of traditional identity.

Ironically, the western countries post-1945 went a much different route but came to a similar destination as the east (soft nihilism).
Dunno, in my country, there was a family minister in the sixties who thought she was a genious to suddently increase the population by simply banning any abortions. It held out for about half a decade, but there wasn't free abortion before or after either.

[The Lawspeaker]

Ten years later, I think we should revisit this. A lot has happened since (the migration crisis comes to mind and the Left's increasingly anti-white rhetoric (as well as their actions) and the situation is turning into the powder keg one could have not imagined back in '08.