War with Iran! Are you kidding me? says Dennis Kucinich

[Babak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mShdimN9Tl0

[Babak]

I have respect for this man. A true American. :thumb001: Has a good point.

[Kamal900]

That's what true conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Jim Traficent had been saying all along. A war with Iran will create a chain of catastrophe for both sides. The neocon Jews, who were responsible in getting the Americans to war against Iraq, don't give a flying fuck about gentiles in both sides killing each other since it's not their own children who are fighting these wars on Israel's behalf.

[N1019]

I recall seeing this video years ago. He makes the usual dreamy leftist assertions of American hypocrisy and talks about Iran's rights and sovereignty.

Now, while those arguments are valid in themselves, there is a problem: they are out of touch with the way the world really works.

The way the world really works is all about power, i.e. the big fish bully the little fish. America is a big fish - the big fish, in fact - so it can get away with being a hypocrite and breaking rules. Furthermore, America has the power to enforce the same rules it breaks against weaker fish like Iran. It also has the power to gobble up the little fish if it so chooses. And who's going to stop it? The UN? The rest of the P5+1? Iran?

The thing about these leftists is that they appeal to hypocrisy only when it suits them. When it comes to the way the world really works, they also know very well, because we see how communists act when they actually get into power. They are the worst of the worst. Iran is living through its Stalinist phase now.

[Zephyrus]

I have respect for this man. A true American. :thumb001: Has a good point.

That's because he's part Croatian.

:cool:

[N1019]

That's what true conservatives like Pat Buchanan and Jim Traficent had been saying all along. A war with Iran will create a chain of catastrophe for both sides. The neocon Jews, who were responsible in getting the Americans to war against Iraq, don't give a flying fuck about gentiles in both sides killing each other since it's not their own children who are fighting these wars on Israel's behalf.

War with Iran would be a catastrophe for Iran, but while it would also be a catastrophe for thousands of American people and families, I don't think it would be a catastrophe for the United States of America as a nation. It could mean a few thousand more dead soldiers, a few more trillion of debt, but the American machine would just keep going. The two countries are not equals and the suffering and outcomes for each would be nowhere near equal.

[glass]

America is a big fish - the big fish
Well Best Korea showed kinda opposite, "all bark and no bite" is more correct description of US, even with presumably tough and warmongering president Trump.

[N1019]

Well Best Korea showed kinda opposite, "all bark and no bite" is more correct description of US, even with presumably tough and warmongering president Trump.

All bark and no bite? Are you serious? The US has just destroyed multiple countries and probably killed millions. What rock have you been hiding under?

[glass]

All bark and no bite? Are you serious? The US has just destroyed multiple countries and probably killed millions. What rock have you been hiding under?
US bullied niggers/sandmen with AKs. When it comes to fulfilling "or else" in Kim's case US seem back down. Which would encourage any "rogue" state to develop WMD, because it provides 100% defense against democracy and freedom no matter what you do. Gaddafi got stick in the ass for far far less crimes. Same goes for post Gulf War Saddam, who was punished already for invading Kuwait and did nothing bad afterwards, yet got rope around his neck.

[Albobalboa]

I dislike the way he said "Are you kidding me?".

[Albobalboa]

US bullied niggers/sandmen with AKs. When it comes to fulfilling "or else" in Kim's case US seem back down. Which would encourage any "rogue" state to develop WMD, because it provides 100% defense against democracy and freedom no matter what you do. Gaddafi got stick in the ass for far far less crimes. Same goes for post Gulf War Saddam, who was punished already for invading Kuwait and did nothing bad afterwards, yet got rope around his neck.

Meanwhile Russia can't even conquer eastern Ukraine which is right next to it. All bark no bite.

[N1019]

US bullied niggers/sandmen with AKs. When it comes to fulfilling "or else" in Kim's case US seem back down. Which would encourage any "rogue" state to develop WMD, because it provides 100% defense against democracy and freedom no matter what you do. Gaddafi got stick in the ass for far far less crimes. Same goes for post Gulf War Saddam, who was punished already for invading Kuwait and did nothing bad afterwards, yet got rope around his neck.

Well, there are more elements to the equation, like the fact that those middle eastern states are of strategic importance to the US owing to their oil reserves, whereas North Korea is a little different. North Korea is a small and weak country aside from its missiles; the US doesn't need it or anything it has, and already effectively occupies the south end of the peninsula. The real target in that area is China, which is obviously neither small nor weak, but has strong ties with NK; it's all part of a long game. NK is becoming a liability for China, because its behaviour is inviting more American intervention in the region, which the Chinese do not want. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[Babak]

Well, there are more elements to the equation, like the fact that those middle eastern states are of strategic importance to the US owing to their oil reserves, whereas North Korea is a little different. North Korea is a small and weak country aside from its missiles; the US doesn't need it or anything it has, and already effectively occupies the south end of the peninsula. The real target in that area is China, which is obviously neither small nor weak, but has strong ties with NK; it's all part of a long game. NK is becoming a liability for China, because its behaviour is inviting more American intervention in the region, which the Chinese do not want. It will be interesting to see what happens.

I think this is where the americans will start to have issues.

[glass]

Well, there are more elements to the equation, like the fact that those middle eastern states are of strategic importance to the US owing to their oil reserves, whereas North Korea is a little different. North Korea is a small and weak country aside from its missiles; the US doesn't need it or anything it has, and already effectively occupies the south end of the peninsula. The real target in that area is China, which is obviously neither small nor weak, but has strong ties with NK; it's all part of a long game. NK is becoming a liability for China, because its behaviour is inviting more American intervention in the region, which the Chinese do not want. It will be interesting to see what happens.
FAct is obvious, US wont do shit to anyone capable of inflicting any damage in return, no matter threats and red lines they issue. You do not need to be on pair with US in term of pure power, just need some means to harm some US minions. You speaking about war with China when dwarf like North Korea openly mocking "most powerful country world ever seen" and gets away with it? I do not consider any kind of sanction punishment. Surely more some of "expendable" koreans would starve to death, but Kim's quality of life would remain the same.
They built modern appartments without canalization and tapped water. So we can assume their military tech is at ww2 level or something like that. South Korea alone would easily bring North one to the knees, but Kim managed to buy some designes in Ukraine and can do everything (but direct engagement with US).

[Loki]

War with Iran would be a catastrophe for Iran, but while it would also be a catastrophe for thousands of American people and families, I don't think it would be a catastrophe for the United States of America as a nation. It could mean a few thousand more dead soldiers, a few more trillion of debt, but the American machine would just keep going. The two countries are not equals and the suffering and outcomes for each would be nowhere near equal.

Are you Jewish? Just asking...

[Loki]

Iran is no threat to America. Iran is no threat to Europe. Iran is a threat to Israel. In America, it is the Israeli/Jewish lobby which is promoting a war with Iran. But what is good for Israel is not necessarily good for America. And certainly not in this case. Let them fight their own wars. Just say nein!

[N1019]

Are you Jewish? Just asking...

Apparently I am several different ethnicities according to various members on here. Some say Iranian, some say Indian, some say Jewish. Sadly, the truth is far less interesting. I can't be all things to all people.


Iran is no threat to America. Iran is no threat to Europe.

Correct only in the direct military sense. Iran is a threat to the American dominated global and regional order, and the petrodollar, which the US, UK and EU are on board with.

By supporting Iranian resistance against American hegemony, you are supporting war with Iran. It's very sneaky of you.

[Loki]

Apparently I am several different ethnicities according to various members on here. Some say Iranian, some say Indian, some say Jewish.



Correct only in the direct military sense. Iran is a threat to the American dominated global and regional order, and the petrodollar, which the US, UK and EU are on board with.

By supporting Iranian resistance against the system, you are supporting war with Iran. It's very sneaky of you.

No what are you really? Just tell us. I think you're an instigator troll.

[StonyArabia]

Iran will lose and it has no one to back it up, not even Russia or China will come to its aide. Iran is all bark and no bite. Iran's power is exaggerated and can only rely on proxies to do its bidding. It's not in the interest for America to go to war with Iran, when it empowered it since 2003. As for Israel it does not care about Iran like it did Iraq, and there are many reasons for it. One Iran was never involved in the Palestinian cause, and during the Iraq Iran war it received support from Israel. Iran supported the Kurds in Iraq, well Iraq supported the Baluchis. Iran has an economic crisis and a very high unemployment rate.

That a aside a war with Iran will send a massive refugee wave unlike what has been seen. Iran would eventually be divided into ethnosectarian states, especially if a Kurdish nation appears this would embolden several ethnic groups to rise up such as the Baluchies, Ahwazi and Islander Arabs, and perhaps even Azeris those who look to Turkey especially.

This is a game of words the U.S is benefiting from Iran's geopolitical strength more so than Iran itself and that should be the red hearring there.

[Loki]

Iran will lose and it has no one to back it up, not even Russia or China will come to its aide. Iran is all bark and no bite. Iran's power is exaggerated and can only rely on proxies to do its bidding. It's not in the interest for America to go to war with Iran, when it empowered it since 2003. As for Israel it does not care about Iran like it did Iraq, and there are many reasons for it. One Iran was never involved in the Palestinian cause, and during the Iraq Iran war it received support from Israel. Iran supported the Kurds in Iraq, well Iraq supported the Baluchis. Iran has an economic crisis and a very high unemployment rate.

That a aside a war with Iran will send a massive refugee wave unlike what has been seen. Iran would eventually be divided into ethnosectarian states, especially if a Kurdish nation appears this would embolden several ethnic groups to rise up such as the Baluchies, Ahwazi and Islander Arabs, and perhaps even Azeris those who look to Turkey especially.

This is a game of words the U.S is benefiting from Iran's geopolitical strength more so than Iran itself and that should be the red hearring there.

There won't be a war.

[Demon Revival]

Eh? What happened? Our resident yankist neo-con with a hijab fetish was banned? Why?