What is J2?

[Rethel]

The poll.

Asianitic - ancient people like Hurrians, Urartu and similar from the ME highlands, which were not semitic neither IE.

Caspian - Waynacho-Dagestani.

[Porn Master]

haplogroup of magicians

[Ülev]

good people, related to I1 & I2, Cro-Magnons

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Cro-Magnon_migration.gif/250px-Cro-Magnon_migration.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170


The existence of Haplogroup IJK – the ancestor of both haplogroups IJ and K (M9) – and its evolutionary distance from other subclades of Haplogroup F (M89), supports the inference that haplogroups IJ and K both arose in Southwestern Asia.

[catgeorge]

Anatolian Tribes same area where R1b was formulated but older.

7,000 BC

https://pavellasfamily.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/j2-ancient-tribe-paternal-side-7000bc.jpg

4,000 BC

https://pavellasfamily.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/j2-ancient-tribe-paternal-side-2000bc.jpg

J2 people typically is this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Map_Anatolia_ancient_regions-en.svg

[Babak]

Its caucasian bro, caucasian. J haplos are caucasian haplogroups.

[zarzian]

Its from the Zarzian complex of the Paleolithic Iran, which fed the Caucasus in the Mesolithic. IT is strictly native to Iran.

[Lollipop]

good people, related to I1 & I2, Cro-Magnons

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Cro-Magnon_migration.gif/250px-Cro-Magnon_migration.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170
There are no J cromagnons,its strictly a neolitic/middle-east haplogroup.

[catgeorge]

J + I lived together on South European peninsula for some 5,000 years before R1s came to town.

[Lavrentis]

There are different branches of J2, similar to how there are different branckhes of the I haplogroup. You cannot put a uniform on some haplogroups.

[Rethel]

Bump

[Porn Master]

Rethel, are you magician?

[ЛыSSый]

HOw KGB has reported polish death camps were built for them.

[Principe Azzurro]

As Zarzian said J2 was linked to the Zarzian Culture and the Halaf Culture, from these two it spread to the Caucasus, Levant and Anatolia/Southern Europe.

[Philip Latinowitz]

Ubermensch lineage from creators of civilisations, probably from fertile crescent, original west asian marker imo

[Governor]

Imho, it's originated in Mezopotamia&Iran.

[Arduti]

I traced my mtDNA J2 Jewish ancestor to England, whose ancestors were expelled from Portugal. My DNA profile shows that my J2 maternal line married into the Ashkenazi community, and it is confirmed by records I've found that place them in Germany before being compelled to leave there also.

I don't know where they were from before migrating to Spain/Portugal, not exactly, but J2 mtDNA and yDNA are common in the Mizrahi and Sephardic communities, as well as Arabized communities.

[Vožd]

Phoenician?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Depends on the subclade

[Danaan]

PIE descends from a culture that included people who belonged to subclades of J2, I2, I1, G2.

R1s spoke Basque, Uralic, Turkic, Etruscan, Hurrian, Urartian

[Rethel]

Phoenician?

Nay, Canaanites definitly were not close relatives of Shemites.


PIE descends from a culture that included people who belonged to subclades of J2, I2, I1, G2.

R1s spoke Basque, Uralic, Turkic, Etruscan, Hurrian, Urartian

:picard2:

[Dema]

J2 aka J-M172 is one of strongest and roughest brotherhoods out there, for sure not someone you want to fuck around unless you want your house to be burning and your females to be impregnated with J2 babies..

[Longobarda]

Haplogroup J2 is thought to have appeared somewhere in the Middle East towards the end of the last glaciation, between 15,000 and 22,000 years ago. The oldest known J2a samples at present were identified in remains from the Hotu Cave in northern Iran, dating from 9100-8600 BCE (Lazaridis et al. 2016), and from Kotias Klde in Georgia, dating from 7940-7600 BCE (Jones et al. (2015)). This confirms that haplogroup J2 was already found around the Caucasus and the southern Caspian region during the Mesolithic period. The first appearance of J2 during the Neolithic came in the form of a 10,000 year-old J2b sample from Tepe Abdul Hosein in north-western Iran in what was then the Pre-Pottery Neolithic (Broushaki et al. 2016).

Notwithstanding its strong presence in West Asia today, haplogroup J2 does not seem to have been one of the principal lineages associated with the rise and diffusion of cereal farming from the Fertile Crescent and Anatolia to Europe. It is likely that J2 men had settled over most of Anatolia, the South Caucasus and Iran by the end of the Last Glaciation 12,000 years ago. It is possible that J2 hunter-gatherers then goat/sheep herders also lived in the Fertile Crescent during the Neolithic period, although the development of early cereal agriculture is thought to have been conducted by men belonging primarily to haplogroups G2a (northern branch, from Anatolia to Europe), as well as E1b1b and T1a (southern branch, from the Levant to the Arabian peninsula and North Africa).

Mathieson et al. (2015) tested the Y-DNA of 13 Early Neolithic farmers from the Barcın site (6500-6200 BCE) in north-western Anatolia, and only one of them belonged to haplogroup J2a. Lazaridis et al. (2016) tested 44 ancient Near Eastern samples, including Neolithic farmers from Jordan and western Iran, but only the above-mentioned sample from Mesolithic Iran belonged to J2. Likewise, over 100 Y-DNA samples have been tested from Neolithic Europe, covering most of the important cultures, and only two J2 sample was found, in the Sopot and Proto-Lengyel cultures in Hungary, dating from 7,000 years ago. J2 was also absent from all Chalcolithic and Bronze Age Indo-European cultures, apart from one J2a1b sample in Hungary dating from the end of the Bronze Age (c. 1150 BCE, see Gamba et al. 2014), in the minor Kyjatice culture, an offshoot of the Urnfield culture, which differs from typical Indo-European cultures by its use of cremation instead of single-grave burials.

No Neolithic sample from Central or South Asia has been tested to date, but the present geographic distribution of haplogroup J2 suggests that it could initially have dispersed during the Neolithic from the Zagros mountains and northern Mesopotamia across the Iranian plateau to South Asia and Central Asia, and across the Caucasus to Russia (Volga-Ural). The first expansion probably correlated with the diffusion of domesticated of cattle and goats (starting c. 8000-9000 BCE), rather than with the development of cereal agriculture in the Levant.

A second expansion would have occured with the advent of metallurgy. J2 could have been the main paternal lineage of the Kura-Araxes culture (Late Copper to Early Bronze Age), which expanded from the southern Caucasus toward northern Mesopotamia and the Levant. After that J2 could have propagated through Anatolia and the Eastern Mediterranean with the rise of early civilizations during the Late Bronze Age and the Early Iron Age.


Quite a few ancient Mediterranean and Middle Eastern civilisations flourished in territories where J2 lineages were preponderant. This is the case of the Hattians, the Hurrians, the Etruscans, the Minoans, the Greeks, the Phoenicians (and their Carthaginian offshoot), the Israelites, and to a lower extent also the Romans, the Assyrians and the Persians. All the great seafaring civilisations from the middle Bronze Age to the Iron Age were dominated by J2 men.

There is a distinct association of ancient J2 civilisations with bull worship. The oldest evidence of a cult of the bull can be traced back to Neolithic central Anatolia, notably at the sites of Çatalhöyük and Alaca Höyük. Bull depictions are omnipresent in Minoan frescos and ceramics in Crete. Bull-masked terracotta figurines and bull-horned stone altars have been found in Cyprus (dating back as far as the Neolithic, the first presumed expansion of J2 from West Asia). The Hattians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Canaaites, and Carthaginians all had bull deities (in contrast with Indo-European or East Asian religions). The sacred bull of Hinduism, Nandi, present in all temples dedicated to Shiva or Parvati, does not have an Indo-European origin, but can be traced back to Indus Valley civilisation. Minoan Crete, Hittite Anatolia, the Levant, Bactria and the Indus Valley also shared a tradition of bull leaping, the ritual of dodging the charge of a bull. It survives today in the traditional bullfighting of Andalusia in Spain and Provence in France, two regions with a high percentage of J2 lineages.

[Longobarda]

◦J2a1-M47 is found at low frequency (1-5%) in Anatolia, Georgia, Iran, Iraq and Gulf states.
◦J2a1-M67 is the most common subclade in the Caucasus (Vainakhs, Ingushs, Chechens, Georgians, Ossetians, Balkars) and in the Levant (Lebanese, Jews). It is also common in western India, the Arabian Peninsula, Anatolia (esp. north-west), Greece (esp. Crete), Italy (esp. Marche and Abruzzo) and Iberia. M67 was probably a major Bronze Age lineage expanding from the Caucasus to Greece to the west and the Indus valley to the east.
◦J2a1-M68 is a minor subclade found in Iraq and India.
◦J2a1-M319 has been found chiefly in Greece (esp. in Crete) and Italy, and at low frequencies around Western Europe (perhaps diffused by the Romans).
◦J2a1-M339 is a very minor Anatolian subclade.
◦J2a1-M419 is a minor subclade detected in northern Iran.
◦J2a1-P81 is a very minor Anatolian subclade.
◦J2a1-L24 is the most widespread subclade of J2a, with a distribution ranging from the Middle East to Europe, North Africa and South Asia.

◦J2a1-M158 has been found in Anatolia, Iberia, Pakistan and India.
◦J2a1-L84 is a minor subclade detected in the Balkans.
◦J2a1-L25 is the main branch of L24 and is subdivided in many subclades.


◦J2a1-F3133 is found in Anatolia, Syria, Iran, Central Asia and Saudi Arabia



◦J2a1-F761 is the Western European subclade of F3133, found in Italy, France, the Benelux and England.
◦J2a1-L192.2 is found in Anatolia, Iran and Kerala (India). It has also been found in Tunisia (M'saken).


◦J2a1-PF4888 is found in the Middle East and among Ashkenazi Jews (F659 subclade: Katz and Cohen).
◦J2a1-Z387 and its main subclade L70 (DYS445≤7) are found throughout continental Europe as well as in the Middle East at lower frequ.
◦J2a1-PF5169 is a rare subclade that has been found in Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, southern Germany and England.
◦J2a2-PF7381 is found at low frequency in southern and Eastern Europe and in the Caucasus.
◦J2b1-M205 is found especially in the western Balkans, Cyprus, the Levant, the South Caucasus and Iran.
◦J2b2-M241 is found mostly in south-east, central and Eastern Europe and in India

[Longobarda]

The "ROMAN" J2"? Not found in the tombs of ROMAN citizens in ROME. The roman legios were composed by a lot of colonized people all along the mediterranean and also from celtic populations/illirian, Dacians etc. i.e. eastern Europe.

[Dema]

Lazaridis et al. (2016)


http://i.imgur.com/LjZ0ta9.jpg

[jingorex]

ARABS.

[Babak]

J2 masterace

[Principe Azzurro]

J2 is the best hapogroup truth be told

[Wrong]

In Ancient Europe most of the J2 clades belong to Indo-Europeans.

[The Sun King]

In Ancient Europe most of the J2 clades belong to Indo-Europeans.

I don't think so....

[Wrong]

I don't think so....
It's a fact, all arrived with Bronze Age. No Neolithic J2 in Europe.

[The Sun King]

It's a fact, all arrived with Bronze Age. No Neolithic J2 in Europe.

Another person trying to be of Indo European descent. What the fuck is wrong with Neolithic ancestry?

[Rethel]

Another person trying to be of Indo European descent. What the fuck is wrong with Neolithic ancestry?

Even if he would be correct, it doesn;t make him IE.
It is even worse, becasue IEs could brought him as a servant :)

[Wrong]

Even if he would be correct, it doesn;t make him IE.
It is even worse, becasue IEs could brought him as a servant :)
Don't be stupid.
Many of the Bronze Age J2 samples in Europe carried high frequencies of "IE" mtDNA.

J2a Mycenaeans were Indo-Europeans for example.

[Rethel]

Don't be stupid.
Many of the Bronze Age J2 samples in Europe carried high frequencies of "IE" mtDNA.

And what?

[Wrong]

And what?
There is no such thing as "original IEs". IE was an exchange of a wide range of haplogroups.

[Rethel]

There is no such thing as "original IEs". IE was an exchange of a wide range of haplogroups.

:picard2:

[Wrong]

Another person trying to be of Indo European descent. What the fuck is wrong with Neolithic ancestry?
No J2 was found in Neolithic Europe.

[The Sun King]

No J2 was found in Neolithic Europe.

That doesn't automatically make it Indo European....

[Wrong]

That doesn't automatically make it Indo European....
It was part of the Indo-European invasions when it arrived. Especially J2b2-L283 that was almost half Steppe + EHG, rest EEF.

It would be retarded to pinpoint this subclade to one location as it formed 15600+ years ago.

[Wrong]

If J2 itself is one of these alternatives.

Then R1 according to the wiki page:


<tbody>
Haplogroup R1


Possible place of origin
South Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia), Southwest Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia) or Central Asia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asia)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1#cite_note-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1#cite_note-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1#cite_note-3)

</tbody>


"Indo-European"

http://i.imgur.com/5FCUt.gif

[The Sun King]

It was part of the Indo-European invasions when it arrived. Especially J2b2-L283 that was almost half Steppe + EHG, rest EEF.

It would be retarded to pinpoint this subclade to one location as it formed 15600+ years ago.

It is still likely non Indo European. From my readings Indo European's are Haplogroups R1a and R1b. It could be though. I don't know. What I do know is Haplogroup G is non Indo European and that's fine with me. It's a Neolithic lineage that invented farming which is underestimated and an important part of European history.

[Wrong]

It is still likely non Indo European. From my readings Indo European's are Haplogroups R1a and R1b. It could be a though. I don't know. What I do know is Haplogroup G is non Indo European and that's fine with me. It's a Neolithic lineage that invented farming witch is underestimated and an important part of European history.
Indo-European is simply a culture and language group. Even G2's were part of it.

[Rethel]

It was part of the Indo-European invasions when it arrived.

And when the guy who was among them wuld make a test, he would know, that he was from somewhere else.
Or maybe he allready knew this without testing, because he cared about his own history and remember his ancestors?
Or he himself was a migrant?


It would be retarded to pinpoint this subclade to one location as it formed 15600+ years ago.

No, it wouldn;t be, the same, as it will not be through 15,000 years ahead.
Just the history of the tribe will be longer. What is wrong with that? What?
If your tribe has 5000 years it is ok, but when it turn to be 5001 it is bad?
It make it nonreal? :shocked:

And btw, you have to be retarded if you think, that people existed 15,000 years ago. :picard2:

[Rethel]

Indo-European is simply a culture and language group. Even G2's were part of it.

Then everybody on the planet is IE. And what sense it has? :picard2:

[Vyasa]

Then everybody on the planet is IE. And what sense it has? :picard2:

Brother, is R2 Indo-European?

[Rethel]

It is still likely non Indo European. From my readings Indo European's are Haplogroups R1a and R1b. It could be though. I don't know. What I do know is Haplogroup G is non Indo European and that's fine with me. It's a Neolithic lineage that invented farming which is underestimated and an important part of European history.

people just think, that if they are ignorants who cannot write something
about their tribe, then they has to be IE too, becasue some people (like
me) can write about this tribe, so - let;s make the smallest effort possible
and glue to those who are talking about and who did conquered us.

[Rethel]

Brother, is R2 Indo-European?

Could be. Still uncertain, but I am assuming that probably is.

[Rethel]

IEs were diverse even in the Proto-IE stage. Proto-IEs were CHG + EHG. So it's not strange if many of IEs were J.

Becasue concubines have Y chormosome... :picard1:

And even if - you yourself said, that they were from
somewhere else, becasue you made a distinction
between EHG and CHG - so logicly, they were different.

[Purohit ji]

Brother, is R2 Indo-European?

kashyap=r2
bhardwaj=j2[kenji]
magnusaurlesis=jhan2 ?

[Rethel]

The Yamna culture is identified with the late Proto-Indo-Europeans, and is the strongest candidate for the Urheimat (homeland) of the Proto-Indo-European language.

No, is not, becasue whole eastern Europe was populated by IE much earlier.
If yamna did influenced them then can be consider only as a last common dialect/stage for modern languages.


The people of the Yamnaya culture were the likely result of admixture between eastern European hunter-gatherers (via whom they also descend from the Mal'ta-Buret' culture or other, closely related people) and a Near Eastern people, with some research identifying the latter as hunter-gatherers from the Caucasus or a related people also related to Chalcolithic people from what is now Iran.

1) And still they remain majority of one line.
2) Those checked burial sites are elite graves. A local rulers were just given or they bought some caucasian chicks. And what?
3) Most important: Yamnayans were not the original Indoeuropeans but some late stage of them.


You are clueless if you think the CHG admixture in PIEs were limited to their maternal side. J is as much IE as R1.

You yourself just said that they were admixed from somewhere else! :picard1:

Expecting logic and coherence from a woman... :picard2: for me.

[Danaan]

R2 is the Dravidian brother of Hurrian, Urartian, Basque, Etruscan, Uralic, Turkic R1

[Skjaldemjøden]

people just think, that if they are ignorants who cannot write something about their tribe, then they has to be IE too, becasue some people (like me) can write about this tribe, so - let;s make the smallest effort possible and glue to those who are talking about and who did conquered us.

Start with these:
https://www.education.com/worksheet/article/grammar-verbs/
https://www.education.com/worksheet/article/rewrite-sentences-1-first/
https://www.education.com/worksheet/article/sentence-writing-12/