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Lavrentis
09-05-2017, 08:56 PM
Should USA along with other European countries invade North Korea and establish democracy to the opressed North Koreans?

The West saved South Korea from communism, and look at South Korea now, it's one of the most rich and developed countries in the world. It's a success story. It's time for democracy to be brought into North Korea too, and that will hopefully lead to the unification of the two Korea's.

Cristiano viejo
09-05-2017, 08:58 PM
No. Americans should not intercede in another country issues.

Tschaikisten
09-05-2017, 09:02 PM
''Democracy'' :rotfl:

Lavrentis
09-05-2017, 09:03 PM
No. Americans should not intercede in another country issues.

I have the feeling that they will intervene if North Korea continues the missile exercises. You don't play with such things.

Tschaikisten
09-05-2017, 09:04 PM
I have the feeling that they will intervene if North Korea continues the missile exercises. You don't play with such things.

They will never intervene against the country with nuclear weapon.

Lavrentis
09-05-2017, 09:07 PM
''Democracy'' :rotfl:

My relatives fought in the Korean War and did bring democracy, they defeated communism and look at South Korea now. South Koreans worshiped foreing veterans because they saved them for turning into North Korea. That was the joy of bringing democracy and prosperity in South Korea.

Cristiano viejo
09-05-2017, 10:00 PM
I have the feeling that they will intervene if North Korea continues the missile exercises. You don't play with such things.

Maybe they will do... but they should not.
I dont know in what divine power Americans believe to intercede in the topics of others :rolleyes:

Vožd
09-09-2017, 07:21 PM
My relatives fought in the Korean War and did bring democracy, they defeated communism and look at South Korea now. South Koreans worshiped foreing veterans because they saved them for turning into North Korea. That was the joy of bringing democracy and prosperity in South Korea.

If Koreans want democracy, they need fight for it alone. But i dont belive they want democracy, they love their leader.

Egyptian
09-09-2017, 07:23 PM
Hehe would love to see that, we have a debt to North Korea (they packed us with their pilots in 1973).

SupaThug
09-09-2017, 07:30 PM
This could have some lethal consequences to South Korea and Japan.There is no simple solution to such a complex problem as the North Korean problem is!

Harkonnen
09-09-2017, 07:42 PM
If USA wants to invade Korea it does not need Europe, but China, South Korea, Japan and maybe Russia. Obviously a war with North Korea would be very problematic. They would no doubt fight like hell and the offense would have to be very very large operation. I sort of feel that it would be better to act now than to wait for NorthKorea to develop even more devastating weapons systems. Of course there is that slight possibility that the situation could resolve on it's own, but right now it looks that the nation is in very deep psykosis, and needs intervention.

Teatisfilius
09-09-2017, 08:00 PM
They will never intervene against the country with nuclear weapon.

I think that a military intervention in North Korea would be extremely expensive, difficult and antieconomic for Nato:
•The presence of nuclear bombs would be an inadmisible danger for neighbouring contries, including China, Russia and Japan
•China would not tolerate the destruction of an important (but dangerous) ally
• A nuclear war would cause a terrible enviromental disaster and there would be thousands of refugees
•Innhabitants of North Korea are completely brainwashed and would not accept a political regime imposed by Western countries
•Among the American public opinion and NATO allies Donald Trump is really less charismatic than Barack Obama

For these reasons I think that Americans will try to solve this situation only by diplomacy and preventive measures (such as the creation of a missile defense), and that a military intervention in Venezuela is more probable. I am sure that Kim-Jong Un is not the mad dictator that our media show, so the only remote possibility that a war will start is rappresented by a series of errors by both sides.

Wanderer
09-09-2017, 08:12 PM
No. Americans should not intercede in another country issues.

It's NOT "another's country's issues." I don't care how the North Koreans live. North Korea's maneuvering poses a potential external threat to us. This is a situation that calls for us to consider a wide range of options.

Lavrentis
09-09-2017, 08:17 PM
•Innhabitants of North Korea are completely brainwashed and would not accept a political regime imposed by Western countries


I disagree with this point. North Koreans might be brainwashed, but they're living a miserable life. Their opinions will certainly chagne when they see the standard of living of their South Korean cousins, and of course, when we make see that they were brainwashed all along. The situation in North Korea is not that different from the situation in the Soviet Union. All the citizens of the Soviet Union were heavily brainwashed, but it all ended when they saw the standard of living in Western countries.

Teatisfilius
09-09-2017, 08:23 PM
I disagree with this point. North Koreans might be brainwashed, but they're living a miserable life. Their opinions will certainly chagne when they see the standard of living of their South Korean cousins, and of course, when we make see that they were brainwashed all along. The situation in North Korea is not that different from the situation in the Soviet Union. All the citizens of the Soviet Union were heavily brainwashed, but it all ended when they saw the standard of living in Western countries.
The level of political propaganda in North Korea is extremely high, because it is not limited to schools, mass media, etc., but influences each aspect of everyday life, because their faith is similar to a religion with its rites. A remote nuclear war caused by NATO would confirm the idea of Western countries which was communicated by the communist regime.

Black Panther
09-09-2017, 08:26 PM
As much as I dislike the North Korean regime in regards to how it deals with its people, I don't want to see another nation become a 21st century colony for the United States' government.

Teatisfilius
09-09-2017, 08:28 PM
It's NOT "another's country's issues." I don't care how the North Koreans live. North Korea's maneuvering poses a potential external threat to us. This is a situation that calls for us to consider a wide range of options.

I know that Americans do not care their lives, but a nuclear war would be more dangerous than a dictator which doesn't truly want a war which would eliminate its power. I think that the best solution is the creation of an antimissile system in South Korea, even if it would cause the protests of Chinese establishment.

glass
09-09-2017, 08:33 PM
South Korea is not as rich and prosperous as you think. It has gdp per capita similar to that of country like Italy or Spain and it was shithole just few dozens years ago, thus did not accumulate any significant wealth. And neither South Korea nor anybody else (if that matters) can afford "fixing" North Korea. SK wants to maintain status quo with peaceful Northern neighbour which is slowly trasnforming into "better" country. Nobody but american wanmongers and patriotuc idiots want war and following humanitarian crisis.
Voted yes just for lulz tho. I like wars somewhere away from me. Chaos is ladder:rolleyes:

MissMischief
09-09-2017, 09:42 PM
Leave them be. America is not the world's policeman plus, even if North Korea implodes, it'll take decades to turn it into a modern, functional entity.

Remember that Americans already tried invading North Korea and got their asses kicked in the 1950s. Also, just like 60 years ago, there is NO WAY that China will allow U.S. troops or any allied troops so close to their border.

Demon Revival
09-09-2017, 09:45 PM
Best Korea will endure. And if it doesn't, your Worst Korea will be gone anyway with it. Making the whole intervention pointless.

Moreover, if Best Korea plays its card rights, they could also nuke Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Filipines, etc etc. And after that, not only will economic losses happen, but white incels will be truly doomed to hopelessness and forced celibacy/frustration once their Asian sexpat spots are gone forever.

Harkonnen
09-11-2017, 05:58 PM
South Korea is not as rich and prosperous as you think. It has gdp per capita similar to that of country like Italy or Spain and it was shithole just few dozens years ago, thus did not accumulate any significant wealth. And neither South Korea nor anybody else (if that matters) can afford "fixing" North Korea. SK wants to maintain status quo with peaceful Northern neighbour which is slowly trasnforming into "better" country. Nobody but american wanmongers and patriotuc idiots want war and following humanitarian crisis.
Voted yes just for lulz tho. I like wars somewhere away from me. Chaos is ladder:rolleyes:

North Korea is sitting on a gold mine


In May, South Korea’s Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport invited companies to submit bids on possible infrastructure projects in North Korea, especially ones regarding the mining sector. It argued that (paywall) the underground resources could “cover the expense of repairing the North’s poor infrastructure.”



https://qz.com/1004330/north-korea-is-sitting-on-trillions-of-dollars-on-untapped-wealth-and-its-neighbors-want-a-piece-of-it/

Smitty
09-11-2017, 06:00 PM
Not our job. I would do what it takes to keep North Korea from having nuclear weapons, but that's it.

Arduti
09-11-2017, 06:09 PM
It's NOT "another's country's issues." I don't care how the North Koreans live. North Korea's maneuvering poses a potential external threat to us. This is a situation that calls for us to consider a wide range of options.

I'm curious if you also apply this logic toward the Middle East, whose shifting regional hegemony toward the Russo-Iranian energy monopoly and against competitive energy prices would be catastrophic for Western economies.

But, I voted no. There are many more options besides peace and war.

Fantomas
09-12-2017, 12:48 AM
Sooner or later West will be forced to do it. Despite that N.Korean leaders are rational and careful persons, i guess, and they wouldn't want to lost their current status of gods. But the entire experience of the world shows that absolute power is ruining rational thinking and it has to eventually end. Thus dictators start to believe in their own lie and propaganda, that they're all-mighty, thereby war can't be avoided

Freeroostah
09-12-2017, 12:51 AM
North Korea is the Best Korea!

We should establish the Nationalist-Socialist Juche theory in Greece too :)

wvwvw
09-12-2017, 01:54 AM
POLL: Should USA along with European countries invade North Korea and establish military bases around China?

NO

Longobarda
09-12-2017, 02:08 AM
Absolutely (NOT). Too risky.
Better a good soup dish seasoned with Polonium, served at King Jon-un

Profileid
09-12-2017, 02:10 AM
Leave them be. America is not the world's policeman plus, even if North Korea implodes, it'll take decades to turn it into a modern, functional entity.

Remember that Americans already tried invading North Korea and got their asses kicked in the 1950s. Also, just like 60 years ago, there is NO WAY that China will allow U.S. troops or any allied troops so close to their border.

we didn't get our asses kicked. it was a stalemate.

zhaoyun
09-12-2017, 02:18 AM
NO.

zhaoyun
09-12-2017, 02:21 AM
Best Korea will endure. And if it doesn't, your Worst Korea will be gone anyway with it. Making the whole intervention pointless.

Moreover, if Best Korea plays its card rights, they could also nuke Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan, Filipines, etc etc. And after that, not only will economic losses happen, but white incels will be truly doomed to hopelessness and forced celibacy/frustration once their Asian sexpat spots are gone forever.

Honestly, North Korea won't be the one to ever strike first. They are just posturing. They are an extremely paranoid country AND FOR GOOD REASON, because they are constantly getting threatened. Any LOGICAL ACTOR in their position would pursue nuclear weapons, they've seen what happened to Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.

But the threshold of pain is going to be too high for the US to strike North Korea. Steve Bannon already blew off any possibility of war in his exit interview. It's common knowledge. Russia and China also know Trump is bluffing.

There won't be war. It's just fucking drama. And Kim Jong Un will keep developing and testing nukes, and there is nothing that China or the US or Japan or S Korea can do about it, because it is essential to their core national interest. Putin said they'd rather eat grass than give up their nukes, and believe it, that's the truth.

Decius
09-12-2017, 02:22 AM
Usually I'm against the US fucking around with other countries but North Korea is way over the top

zhaoyun
09-12-2017, 02:29 AM
South Korea is not as rich and prosperous as you think. It has gdp per capita similar to that of country like Italy or Spain and it was shithole just few dozens years ago, thus did not accumulate any significant wealth. And neither South Korea nor anybody else (if that matters) can afford "fixing" North Korea. SK wants to maintain status quo with peaceful Northern neighbour which is slowly trasnforming into "better" country. Nobody but american wanmongers and patriotuc idiots want war and following humanitarian crisis.
Voted yes just for lulz tho. I like wars somewhere away from me. Chaos is ladder:rolleyes:

South Korea's GDP is roughly comparable to Southern Euro countries but it's primarily because it just arrived to first world status back in the 90s. Industry wise it's a much more important industrial power than most Euro countries, even those with a higher GDP per capita. Germany is probably the only Euro country that is more productive/

Hexachordia
09-12-2017, 09:15 AM
If USA wants to invade Korea it does not need Europe, but China, South Korea, Japan and maybe Russia. Obviously a war with North Korea would be very problematic. They would no doubt fight like hell and the offense would have to be very very large operation. I sort of feel that it would be better to act now than to wait for NorthKorea to develop even more devastating weapons systems. Of course there is that slight possibility that the situation could resolve on it's own, but right now it looks that the nation is in very deep psykosis, and needs intervention.

You are quite sensible, the problem is not really about democracy or dictatorship, it is about NK might be a future source of cheap nuclear weapons. Lawless and cruel one individual in charge of not only a country as large as half of England also a working stockpiles will surely encourage more individuals like him to pursue the so called pawn in negotiation. People like these having no economy to worry but dying later or sooner will not exactly exploit nuclear weapons as pawn of talks, real weapons instead.

EuropeanVlachSon
09-12-2017, 09:17 AM
Yes, North Korea is a shame for the humanity.


''Democracy'' :rotfl:

Where you would move, in democratic South Korea or in communist North Korea.

Lol, stop voting against USA just because you hate USA

Pigling
09-12-2017, 10:12 AM
All they were doing last 3 decades was invading countries and establishing democracy all over the world and where that led us all?

Don't forget what day was yesterday.

Harkonnen
09-12-2017, 04:11 PM
As much as I dislike the North Korean regime in regards to how it deals with its people, I don't want to see another nation become a 21st century colony for the United States' government.

Thing tho is that North Korea is a major cause for US political and military presence in East Asia. Without North Korea you'd have a much stronger, unified East Asia. Right now, South Korea and Japan have to rely on US presence to ensure their safety against North Korea, and partly against China too. A unified Korea would be very close to at least "a regional superpower" economically and militarily. Meaning that it would be strong enough state to ward of any Chinese threat on their own, without outside help. And of course China right now is a changed state and doesn't really ward any immediate thread to it's neighbours.

This is the Chinese view also:


Huang Jing, an international relations specialist from the National University of Singapore, said Beijing knew Pyongyang desired direct dialogue and normalisation of bilateral ties with Washington, so it was in fact the US – rather than China – that had been reluctant to resolve the North Korean issue.

"Washington clearly saw benefits to using North Korea to tighten its grip on its key regional allies, South Korea and Japan," Huang said. "It also tried to make use of China's dilemma on North Korea to create problems for Beijing, for example, depriving Beijing of the moral high ground by stalling the six-party talks."

The six-party talks are multilateral negotiations involving China, Japan, North Korea, Russia, South Korea and the US aimed at dismantling Pyongyang's nuclear programme.



http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2017/05/672_228644.html

Odin
02-04-2018, 07:56 PM
Nope.

jingorex
02-04-2018, 08:01 PM
Maybe they will do... but they should not.
I dont know in what divine power Americans believe to intercede in the topics of others :rolleyes:

well they usually beg us to help...and if we don't, an equal amount of outraged asshats denounce the USA for doing nothing.

We cant win. So we just dont give a fuck and do what we want.

I just wish we were as evil and imperialistic as the haters say so we could actually get something like land and industry out of our work.

Egyptian
02-04-2018, 08:47 PM
Yes,Please.