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Loki
09-06-2017, 12:25 PM
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/06/asia/modi-india-myanmar-rohingya/index.html

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Myanmar is threatening to be overshadowed by the escalating humanitarian crisis in the south of the country, as tens of thousands of ethnic Rohingya flee into Bangladesh to escape violence in Rakhine state.

In a joint statement issued by Modi and Myanmar leader Aung San Suu Kyi on Wednesday, the two leaders promised to work together to solve what they termed "a terrorist problem."

"We would like to thank India for its strong stance with regard to the terrorist threat that came to our country a couple of weeks ago," said Suu Kyi.

Myanmar officials have long maintained that violence in Rakhine is the result of ongoing terrorist activity and any subsequent security clampdowns are a necessary measure to protect innocent Burmese. According to the country's state media, the latest wave of unrest was sparked when Rohingya militants killed 12 security officers in border post attacks on August 25.

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170906170148-modi-aung-san-suu-kyi-myanmar-090617-exlarge-169.jpg

"We believe that together we can work to make sure that terrorism is not allowed to take root on our soil or on the soil in any neighboring countries," added Suu Kyi.

Modi supported Suu Kyi's statement, attributing the violence of the last few weeks to extremists. "We share your concerns about the extremist violence in the Rakhine state and especially the violence against the security forces and how innocent lives have been affected and killed."

An estimated 123,600 Rohingya have fled into Bangladesh in recent days, according to the United Nations. Many of those crossing the border have brought with them stories of widespread devastation and murder, as the Myanmar security forces deploy alleged scorched earth tactics in the hunt for militants.

Loki
09-06-2017, 12:27 PM
It seems Myanmar is quite effective in rooting out terrorism. And India's Modi is a great ally.

SardiniaAtlantis
09-06-2017, 12:30 PM
The whole twisted narrative here is sick.

Loki
09-06-2017, 02:29 PM
The whole twisted narrative here is sick.

I have chosen to believe Modi instead of the jihadis, and consider what they spread as propaganda. Just as what happened in Syria. I am very skeptical of it.

Porn Master
09-06-2017, 02:31 PM
i don't side with any cannibal countries like india and burma, they're brutal AF

SardiniaAtlantis
09-06-2017, 02:35 PM
I have chosen to believe Modi instead of the jihadis, and consider what they spread as propaganda. Just as what happened in Syria. I am very skeptical of it.

My perspective on it has nothing to do with Modi research the situation of Burma itself without any focus on India you will see what's really going on.

Loki
09-06-2017, 02:37 PM
My perspective on it has nothing to do with Modi research the situation of Burma itself without any focus on India you will see what's really going on.

Well, Modi should know what is going on there, better than both you and me... or CNN for that matter.

Loki
09-06-2017, 02:39 PM
I know that Islamic terrorism has long been a problem in the region, and these groups are waging jihad in order to spread Islam. It is not unlike past cases of the spread of Islam.

SardiniaAtlantis
09-06-2017, 02:53 PM
I know that Islamic terrorism has long been a problem in the region, and these groups are waging jihad in order to spread Islam. It is not unlike past cases of the spread of Islam.

No. Muslims have been living these for generations upon generations and that hasn't happened yet. They are bein suppressed by certain violent Bhuddist groups in the country. Unfortunately the mentality in Burma is very black and white and not used to nuance for the majority of the people. If you have credible evidence of a Muslim takeover being plotted of the country that would be interesting they are an extreme minority and are impoverished in an already poor nation, not to mention they have all had their citizenship revoked.

Loki
09-06-2017, 03:32 PM
No. Muslims have been living these for generations upon generations and that hasn't happened yet. They are bein suppressed by certain violent Bhuddist groups in the country. Unfortunately the mentality in Burma is very black and white and not used to nuance for the majority of the people. If you have credible evidence of a Muslim takeover being plotted of the country that would be interesting they are an extreme minority and are impoverished in an already poor nation, not to mention they have all had their citizenship revoked.

You are obviously completely following the alternative (or: Muslim/mainstream) narrative, in contrast to me. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Anyway there is more attention to this now in the mainstream media, so it would be interesting to see if countries like the US or the EU become involved.

SardiniaAtlantis
09-06-2017, 03:35 PM
You are obviously completely following the alternative (or: Muslim/mainstream) narrative, in contrast to me. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Anyway there is more attention to this now in the mainstream media, so it would be interesting to see if countries like the US or the EU become involved.

I barely followed any media on this. Wiki, and Encyclopedia Britannica for the most part.

zhaoyun
09-06-2017, 03:45 PM
All the while Aung Sang Suu Kyi is supporting the murder of Indid Rohingya on the daily.

Porn Master
09-06-2017, 03:47 PM
India has bad relationship with China so that's why India wants to be a mate of Burma to make an ally if I know it right

Pahli
09-06-2017, 04:02 PM
There's a lot of shit going on with people blaming one and another for the Rohingya massacres, not sure which one to believe because killing children / women seems very legit, right?

Fractal
09-06-2017, 04:14 PM
India has bad relationship with China so that's why India wants to be a mate of Burma to make an ally if I know it right

Rohinyas are Indo-Aryans, the people that you at that two faced middle easterner above this post insult left and right on this forum. Why would you care if a bunch of feral Buddhst mongoloids slaughter them?

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2951476/images/o-CHRISTOPHE-ROHINGYA-facebook.jpg

Porn Master
09-06-2017, 04:16 PM
Rohinyas are Indo-Aryans, the people that you at that two faced middle eastern rat above this post insult left and right on this forum. Why would you care if a bunch of feral Buddhst mongoloids slaughter them?

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2951476/images/o-CHRISTOPHE-ROHINGYA-facebook.jpg




who is that guy you're talking about?

Fractal
09-06-2017, 04:17 PM
who is that guy you're talking about?

Pahli

Fractal
09-06-2017, 04:25 PM
Off topic but interesting. Asian countries that are pro or anti China: Vietnam, Japan, the Phillippines, South Korea, and Malaysia

https://benjaminstudebaker.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/asia-divided.gif

Countries exporting weapons to India and Pakistan
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/550b2ee5ecad0483119cedc7/this-map-shows-which-countries-export-weapons-to-india-and-pakistan.jpg

zhaoyun
09-06-2017, 04:38 PM
India has bad relationship with China so that's why India wants to be a mate of Burma to make an ally if I know it right

It's all posturing. In the end, I think China/India will end up with a frenemy relationship, they will be rivals but their economies will be continually intertwined. There is a lot of big business going on, will be more in the future.

Gold-Shekel
09-06-2017, 04:47 PM
In all honesty, Muslim countries should league themselves together and kick Myanmar's ass. It's either that or you've proven that you're all weak and are expecting the West to do something for you.

Seya
09-06-2017, 04:51 PM
innocent Burmese? this is so wrong. Burmese people have something against all minorities not only Rohingya. it's not even about religion...it's about ethnicity. they had the same problem with Karen people as well...they are south-east asian racially and mainly Buddhists but they are still considered "second hand" citizens. if u're not ethnically burmese u have no rights in myanmar...u are not even full citizen...u have very limited rights...those people are not immigrants...they always lived there. they even have 3 types of citizenships. only myanma/burmese are first hand citizens with full rights.

glass
09-06-2017, 04:52 PM
Really good news, i hope all countries will eventually unite to purge allahu akbar cancer once and for all

Egyptian
09-06-2017, 05:06 PM
This forum even though there are radical losers there are also good people (even if they are minority).

anyway India should focus more to counter beef eating that's what their government good at rather than supporting terrorist regime in other country (no insults to any indian here).

Porn Master
09-06-2017, 05:09 PM
innocent Burmese? this is so wrong. Burmese people have something against all minorities not only Rohingya. it's not even about religion...it's about ethnicity. they had the same problem with Karen people as well...they are south-east asian racially and mainly Buddhists but they are still considered "second hand" citizens. if u're not ethnically burmese u have no rights in myanmar...u are not even full citizen...u have very limited rights...those people are not immigrants...they always lived there. they even have 3 types of citizenships. only myanma/burmese are first hand citizens with full rights.




true. That bald guy I dont know his name, is very nationalist

Loki
09-06-2017, 05:14 PM
India has bad relationship with China so that's why India wants to be a mate of Burma to make an ally if I know it right

Myanmar/Burma is historically close to India since it was actually part of India..

Loki
09-06-2017, 05:26 PM
Off topic but interesting. Asian countries that are pro or anti China: Vietnam, Japan, the Phillippines, South Korea, and Malaysia

https://benjaminstudebaker.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/asia-divided.gif


When did Japan acquire Sakhalin and the Kurils? ;) And not shown on the map, Afghanistan is also pro-China. Philippines under Duterte can no longer be considered anti-China. Otherwise good map.

Loki
09-06-2017, 05:28 PM
In all honesty, Muslim countries should league themselves together and kick Myanmar's ass. It's either that or you've proven that you're all weak and are expecting the West to do something for you.

That would mean them clashing with India (and possibly China too). And I don't think they're up for it.

Loki
09-06-2017, 05:35 PM
This forum even though there are radical losers there are also good people (even if they are minority).

anyway India should focus more to counter beef eating that's what their government good at rather than supporting terrorist regime in other country (no insults to any indian here).

What is to be done about the terrorists though?

Gold-Shekel
09-06-2017, 05:53 PM
That would mean them clashing with India (and possibly China too). And I don't think they're up for it.

I doubt India actually gives a shit about Burma and I can't see China sending its men to die for Aung San Suu Kyi and messing up their relations with the Muslims.

Wadaad
09-06-2017, 05:55 PM
This is a big lesson for everyone...but especially for the blameless Rohingya people.

Wadaad
09-06-2017, 05:56 PM
This forum even though there are radical losers there are also good people (even if they are minority).

anyway India should focus more to counter beef eating that's what their government good at rather than supporting terrorist regime in other country (no insults to any indian here).

India is slowly being outsourced the job of War on Terror...which is good for jihadis, lol

zhaoyun
09-06-2017, 05:59 PM
When did Japan acquire Sakhalin and the Kurils? ;) And not shown on the map, Afghanistan is also pro-China. Philippines under Duterte can no longer be considered anti-China. Otherwise good map.

Mongolia is actually anti-China because they are paranoid about being absorbed, but they are landlocked so they have no choice but to play nice.

Wadaad
09-06-2017, 06:00 PM
You are obviously completely following the alternative (or: Muslim/mainstream) narrative, in contrast to me. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Anyway there is more attention to this now in the mainstream media, so it would be interesting to see if countries like the US or the EU become involved.

Good...when Afrikaners get genocided in South Africa, I want you to avoid following the 'alternative narrative' then as well ;)

Loki
09-06-2017, 08:14 PM
I doubt India actually gives a shit about Burma and I can't see China sending its men to die for Aung San Suu Kyi and messing up their relations with the Muslims.

Well, didn't you read this thread? India supports Myanmar in this. That's why Modi visited the country lol.

And what Muslims from what countries are going to go to Burma to fight the Burmese then, according to you? lol

Loki
09-06-2017, 08:18 PM
Mongolia is actually anti-China because they are paranoid about being absorbed, but they are landlocked so they have no choice but to play nice.

Well Mongolia has a small population, and is not really a player. It just wants to peacefully coexist with its two huge neighbours I guess. :)

Loki
09-06-2017, 08:20 PM
Good...when Afrikaners get genocided in South Africa, I want you to avoid following the 'alternative narrative' then as well ;)

:D I am still learning about this Rohingya issue, like most of us. I just start from a point of skepticism when things are shouted from the CNN front pages. Can't blame me. :) They're fake news.

Loki
09-06-2017, 08:21 PM
India is slowly being outsourced the job of War on Terror...which is good for jihadis, lol

Don't forget about Russia and China...

Armenian Bishop
09-06-2017, 09:09 PM
We shouldn't underestimate India's capacity to intervene against the infighting of its neighbors, should it become brutalized by laundry lists of atrocities. That's what happened in 1971, when India intervened because the Pakistani was making life hell for Bengali Hindu women and children, in a case of genocide. India's military made short work of it, and achieved decisive victories against Pakistan's armies, navy and air force. India's military intervention reaped a harvest of more than 90,000 Pakistani prisoners of war. In December, 1971, Pakistan capitulated; thus, the Bangladesh Nation rose out of the ruins of Pakistan's defeat in East Pakistan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971


Following the surrender, the Indian Army took approximately ~90,000 Pakistani servicemen and their Bengali supporters as POWs, making it the largest surrender since the World War II. Initial counts were recorded as ~79,676 war prisoners who were the uniformed personnel, of which 55,692 belonged to Pakistan's Army, 16,354 were Paramilitary, 5,296 Police, 1,000 Navy and 800 PAF.

Porn Master
09-06-2017, 09:16 PM
indians are not warriors, the whole empires of the world always fucked india and india didn't conquer any country

Wadaad
09-07-2017, 01:39 AM
:D I am still learning about this Rohingya issue, like most of us. I just start from a point of skepticism when things are shouted from the CNN front pages. Can't blame me. :) They're fake news.

Yeah they could give two shits about the Rohingya...

Gold-Shekel
09-07-2017, 07:22 AM
Well, didn't you read this thread? India supports Myanmar in this. That's why Modi visited the country lol.

And what Muslims from what countries are going to go to Burma to fight the Burmese then, according to you? lol

Just because you're "supporting" doesn't mean you're fighting with them. Many countries supported to Ukrainians yet didn't fight.

I said Muslims SHOULD fight them, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Algeria, Tchad, Saudi Arabia, ... It's a question of credibility, if they let this slide, it would mean that you can pretty much genocide Muslim monorities anywhere and other Muslims won't do anything. They've let the Rohingya be massacred for years now, it's time to make a move.

Egyptian
09-07-2017, 07:42 AM
Just because you're "supporting" doesn't mean you're fighting with them. Many countries supported to Ukrainians yet didn't fight.

I said Muslims SHOULD fight them, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Algeria, Tchad, Saudi Arabia, ... It's a question of credibility, if they let this slide, it would mean that you can pretty much genocide Muslim monorities anywhere and other Muslims won't do anything. They've let the Rohingya be massacred for years now, it's time to make a move.

Obviously Muslims won't make a move.

Loki
09-07-2017, 11:13 AM
Just because you're "supporting" doesn't mean you're fighting with them. Many countries supported to Ukrainians yet didn't fight.

I said Muslims SHOULD fight them, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Algeria, Tchad, Saudi Arabia, ... It's a question of credibility, if they let this slide, it would mean that you can pretty much genocide Muslim monorities anywhere and other Muslims won't do anything. They've let the Rohingya be massacred for years now, it's time to make a move.

Why so concerned about the Rohingya far away, when the Yemenis are being massacred in your own backyard?

Melki
09-07-2017, 11:17 AM
It seems Myanmar is quite effective in rooting out terrorism. And India's Modi is a great ally.

Just bad and sad that Rohingyas serve as scapegoats.

Melki
09-07-2017, 11:21 AM
innocent Burmese? this is so wrong. Burmese people have something against all minorities not only Rohingya. it's not even about religion...it's about ethnicity. they had the same problem with Karen people as well...they are south-east asian racially and mainly Buddhists but they are still considered "second hand" citizens. if u're not ethnically burmese u have no rights in myanmar...u are not even full citizen...u have very limited rights...those people are not immigrants...they always lived there. they even have 3 types of citizenships. only myanma/burmese are first hand citizens with full rights.

And even Nobel Prize (and ethnic Burmese) Aung San Suu Kyi is hypocritical

Melki
09-07-2017, 11:36 AM
indians are not warriors, the whole empires of the world always fucked india and india didn't conquer any country

Tell it to the Arvans when they defeated and conquered the culturally more advanced Dravidians. Mahabharata is not really a fairy tale.

Tell it to Alexander the Great who failed to invade the powerful Maurya Empire.

Tell it to the proud Marathi people from the Deccan plateau who resisted both the Mughal rule and the East India Company before being ultimately integrated to the British Raj.

I have hundred other similar examples. It's not because Hindus are vegan and suck at sports that they behave like wimps in a battle. Gurkhas form a well-trained unit of Nepali soldiers (Indo-Aryan ethnicity) who served in the British and Indian armies.

Loki
09-07-2017, 12:07 PM
And even Nobel Prize (and ethnic Burmese) Aung San Suu Kyi is hypocritical

Wow, isn't it ironic that she's a Nobel Peace Prize recipient! I see some people are calling for her prize to be revoked.

Dandelion
09-07-2017, 12:25 PM
Wow, isn't it ironic that she's a Nobel Peace Prize recipient! I see some people are calling for her prize to be revoked.

Well, even a person like Menachem Begin was a recipient of that price. ;) It was over his signing a peace treaty with Egypt alone, but his CV was anything but peaceful.

Dandelion
09-07-2017, 12:34 PM
Why so concerned about the Rohingya far away, when the Yemenis are being massacred in your own backyard?

While this is a serious injustice, I do see muslim being concerned mainly because Rohingya are muslims and not because they are human. I've even read an article title in a newspaper 'threat of increasing radicalisation muslims in the West over attitude about persecution of Rohingya'. It was a paid-subscribers only article and I hope it's bullshit.
One strategy of Islam namely is to seek out persecution to sell a casus belli, so they can use violence.

That being said, nobody should be treated inhumanely like that of course, not even muslims. Even if their religion has its obvious downsides and dangers.

Loki
09-07-2017, 12:54 PM
Well, even a person like Menachem Begin was a recipient of that price. ;) It was over his signing a peace treaty with Egypt alone, but his CV was anything but peaceful.

Not to mention Obama, lol. Also a Peace Prize recipient.

Loki
09-07-2017, 12:56 PM
While this is a serious injustice, I do see muslim being concerned mainly because Rohingya are muslims and not because they are human. I've even read an article title in a newspaper 'threat of increasing radicalisation muslims in the West over attitude about persecution of Rohingya'. It was a paid-subscribers only article and I hope it's bullshit.
One strategy of Islam namely is to seek out persecution to sell a casus belli, so they can use violence.

That being said, nobody should be treated inhumanely like that of course, not even muslims. Even if their religion has its obvious downsides and dangers.

You are right. This Rohingya affair is very politicized. It wouldn't have reached CNN headlines if it wasn't. There's a lot of hypocrisy coming from those who are calling for help for the Rohingyas, though. I hate hypocrisy.

The Illyrian Warrior
09-07-2017, 02:48 PM
'Terrorist problem' seem to be a newly designed code for muslim problem in Asia (and elsewhere), that gook lady ‎Aung San whatever the fuck her name is should nobel peace price be taken away, she doesn't deserve any recognition, respect and certainly not highest prize for humanity when she is part of vile human annihilation which takes place in her country.

The Illyrian Warrior
09-07-2017, 02:55 PM
You are right. This Rohingya affair is very politicized. It wouldn't have reached CNN headlines if it wasn't. There's a lot of hypocrisy coming from those who are calling for help for the Rohingyas, though. I hate hypocrisy.

Ohh come on, should crime not be regarded as crime anymore, if this did happen in opposite direction you'd acknowledge and condemn but since they are muslim something fishy must be concealed on these troubling matter, crime is not a hypocrisy but those who minimize it or ignore it entirely like Myanmar leader is really a hypocrisy and an offence for those affected there.

zhaoyun
09-07-2017, 03:03 PM
'Terrorist problem' seem to be a newly designed code for muslim problem in Asia (and elsewhere), that gook lady ‎Aung San whatever the fuck her name is should nobel peace price be taken away, she doesn't deserve any recognition, respect and certainly not highest prize for humanity when she is part of vile human annihilation which takes place in her country.

I knew she was a fake from the beginning. Just another Asian SJW hero being propped up by Hollywood and the Liberal elitists.

The Illyrian Warrior
09-07-2017, 03:18 PM
I knew she was a fake from the beginning. Just another Asian SJW hero being propped up by Hollywood and the Liberal elitists.

She's that one individual when you evaluate wrong person with no criteria or proven humanity work, she had her chance but failed miserably at most basic step to stand up against annihilation of most vulnerable group in her country, what's worse she indirectly accuse Rohingya for sponsoring terrorism and funny enough spreading, fake news....like come on, footage from different news sources now are being staged by forth world Rohingya, I can easily say nobel peace prize has gone to most uncredible person ever.

zhaoyun
09-07-2017, 03:25 PM
She's that one individual when you evaluate wrong person with no criteria or proven humanity work, she had her chance but failed miserably at most basic step to stand up against annihilation of most vulnerable group in her country, what's worse she indirectly accuse Rohingya for sponsoring terrorism and funny enough spreading, fake news....like come on, footage from different news sources now are being staged by forth world Rohingya, I can easily say nobel peace prize has gone to most uncredible person ever.

Aside from the sciences, any Nobel prize for social related issues are politically motivated.

The Illyrian Warrior
09-07-2017, 03:38 PM
Aside from the sciences, any Nobel prize for social related issues are politically motivated.

I agree, her case is enough to discredit nobel peace prize because it leaves no space of justification when you give a prize to someone with suspicious past.

Loki
09-07-2017, 04:28 PM
Ohh come on, should crime not be regarded as crime anymore, if this did happen in opposite direction you'd acknowledge and condemn but since they are muslim something fishy must be concealed on these troubling matter, crime is not a hypocrisy but those who minimize it or ignore it entirely like Myanmar leader is really a hypocrisy and an offence for those affected there.

I don't have a problem with them reporting this. I have a problem with them NOT reporting other stuff, and turning a blind eye. They have a pick-and-choose mentality.

Loki
09-07-2017, 04:29 PM
Aside from the sciences, any Nobel prize for social related issues are politically motivated.

Absolutely.

Melki
09-08-2017, 04:38 PM
This news article is instructive and gives clues to understand today's Myanmar and its raging nationalism and xenophobia, which has it roots in British colonial times.

Initially an Indian province, Burma always nourished a love/hatred relationship with its large neighbor. Burma is predominantly Buddhist and India was the birthplace of Buddhism.

The Burmese (also called Bamas) originally inhabitated the Irrawaddy valley. In 1885, they were defeated by the British army, the monarchy was abolished and Burma was incorporated into the British Raj.
Under the British rule, Rangoon soon became a flourishing harbor, and welcomed many immigrants, especially from India, but also many Chinese coolies. In the late 1920's, Rangoon welcomed almost as many migrants as New York City. Burmese became a minority in their own country.
As a result, Burmese nationalism grew up, and many riots directed against the Indians and the Chinese broke out. The Burmese nationalist movement took its inspiration from the Irish independentist party Sinn Féin, and got inspired by both European far-left and far-right.

In 1937, Burma became a British colony distinct from India, and the following year, the riots started to become anti-Muslim and anti-immigration.
During WW2, the Burmese were allied to the Japanese "liberators" whereas the Karens fought with the British.

In 1947, the country became independent, and many ethnicities like the Shans decided to joined the Burmese in their new state. But the Burmese, after being part of a minority in their own land weren't really willing to be a pluriethnic state.
Today, the regime of Myanmar recognizes 130 different ethnicities, but many people, and the Muslim Rohingyas are the most famous among them, are denied official status.


https://asia.nikkei.com/Viewpoints/Thant-Myint-U/Myanmar-an-unfinished-nation

Div
10-15-2017, 06:47 AM
Not to be meme-y, but why not just create an independent Rohingya country in what is Maungdaw district in the Myanmar-Bangladesh border? It would encompass the Rohingya majority areas and also could become a homeland for them from Population transfers. It would also solve the demographic worry that Myanmar is facing about Muslims, and would only cost them a chunk of land the size of the US state of Rhode Island.