Hungary's 'Slavic-Looking' Skanderbeg Shocks Albanians

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31 JUL 17
Hungary's 'Slavic-Looking' Skanderbeg Shocks Albanians
The first display of a statue of Skanderbeg that is expected to be erected in Budapest has upset artists in Albania who say it mixes Albanian and Slavic features.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/file/show//Images/Images.New/Albania%20Correspondent/640x480_Skenderbej_statue.jpg

The statue of Skanderbeg presented by the ambassador in Hungary (left) and the hero usual way of portraying (right). Photo: Twitter/Wikimedia
News that a monument to the Albanian national hero, Gjergj Kastriot Skenderbej/ Skanderbeg was to be erected in the central park of Budapest was initially welcomed by Albanians in the media.

However, the enthusiasm started to fade on July 25, when the Albanian ambassador to Hungary, Arian Spasse, together with the Hungarian sculptor, Mihaly Gabor, posed in front of the semi-finished monument – and pictures were distributed on the embassy's social networks.

Some Albanians were shocked by the appearance of the new sculpture of their national hero, seeing it as very different from the more traditional sculptures and images of him - such as the one in Tirana's main square.

The Dean of Fine Arts at the University of Tirana, Ardian Isufi, was the first to break the silence and to note that the features of this Skanderbeg did not look like those of an Albanian.

"I never have seen a more strikingly ambiguous Skanderbeg ... It might be a Hungarian, Bulgar or Serb but never an Albanian," he wrote on Facebook on July 27.

He called on Albania's foreign ministry to react, claiming that the features of the statute were part of consistent attempts to distort Albanian culture and history.

"I call on ... the foreign ministry to suggest that the Hungarian sculptor goes into the Vatican archives and examine the physiognomy of Skanderbeg ... since there are dozens of engravings that interpret him," Isufi suggested.

The post prompted a public outcry over the sculpture, which led the Albanian embassy in Hungary to remove the social media posts, while ambassador Spasse wrote on Facebook after the negative reaction that the statue was only in the modelling stage and would undergo changes.

"The presented model will undergo changes, taking on the features [of Skanderbeg] that Albanians are familiar with," he wrote.

However, suspicions concerning the outcome of the final sculpture remain high.

Ilir Lluka, an audiovisual artist, told BIRN that the statue was disturbing as it gave a general idea that Albanians and Slavic nationalities are one and the same.

"Many people might consider these criticisms trivials ... but this is a case when appearance takes on importance, contributing to an international ignorance about Albanians and over who they are," he said.

"Our identity risks getting mingled with that of others until it completely disappears from people's minds," Lluka said.

The statue of Skanderbeg - real name George Castriot/Kastrioti - who died in 1468 - is due to be erected next to his great Hungarian contemporary, the military and political leader, John Hunyadi.

The two of them fought together in the 15th century against the Ottomans, delaying the expansion of the conquering Muslim armies into Central and Western Europe.

Besides Albania, Skanderbeg statues have been erected in Pristina, Skopje, Rome, Brussels, Geneva and London.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/albanians-protest-against-the-next-statue-of-skanderbeg-07-30-2017

[Ujku]

He looks like he came from Mongolia lol...

[Laberia]

There are statues of Scanderbeg around the world in almost all the important capitales and cities. It has been decided to rise a statue in Paris. Only in Moscow, Athens and Belgrade there are no statues of Scanderbeg.

[Laberia]

He looks like he came from Mongolia lol...

There is an another thread about this statue in Budapest. But this inferior subhuman asiatic transvestite, always will use every possibility to show the the other members her/his complex of inferiority.

[Arjana]

There are statues of Scanderbeg around the world in almost all the important capitales and cities. It has been decided to rise a statue in Paris. Only in Moscow, Athens and Belgrade there are no statues of Scanderbeg.

There is no Skanderbeg statue in Vienna or Berlin for example.

However we know one thing for sure, that this ugly creature is jobless and has a very sad and depressed life.

[DarknessWin]

Slavic looking ?????????????
This shit look like Attila the Hun

[Laberia]

http://wp.akt.gov.al/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kruja3.png
http://www.zemrashqiptare.net/Foto/GjergjKastrioti-Kruje.jpg
http://www.lajm-shqip.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/largea_skenderbeu-231351005342.jpg
http://m4.i.pbase.com/g2/34/632434/2/62624754.gBp3SAqw.jpg
http://zenithtravelalbania.com/uploads/images/armet-e-gjergjit.jpg
http://www.zemrashqiptare.net/images/article/2015_01/38764/u1_GjergjKastrioti.jpg

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm patiently waiting for servian members to show up and claim that this is further proof he was serb, lel.

[Kelmendasi]

They're going to change it apparently

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Skenderbeg is half Slavic (by mother line) so it is not something exotic. But Albanian prince, of course.

[ЛыSSый]

He looks like he came from Mongolia lol...

Uzbekistan. Surely Uzbekistan. But might i ask why does nobody build monuments for Hohja?

[Arjana]

Skenderbeg is half Slavic (by mother line) so it is not something exotic. But Albanian prince, of course.

Nothing was slavic about him muslim bosnian.

His mother was provev by the diaries of the Muzaka albanian princes that his mother was their cousin.

She was from Pollog, a region in Great Dibra in fyrom today that is 90% albanian even today.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Nothing was slavic about him muslim bosnian.

His mother was provev by the diaries of the Muzaka albanian princes that his mother was their cousin.

She was from Pollog, a region in Great Dibra in fyrom today that is 90% albanian even today.

Her name is Slavic - Vojsava. "Voj" is slavic word which is associeted with battle. So there are many words "VOJska" is army, "VOJnik" is soldier and etc...

[Cristiano viejo]

Why do Hungarians erect a statue of Skandenberg in their own country??

[Arjana]

Her name is Slavic - Vojsava. "Voj" is slavic word which is associeted with battle. So there are many words "VOJska" is army, "VOJnik" is soldier and etc...

Vojsava in Albanian also means oil of the flower Sava which is used by Albanians today also.

Some Albanians had slavic names back than, just like some albanians have american or italian names today or just like some had muslim names before.

The surnames of albanians never changed though, they remained tribal or medieval.

[Arjana]

Why do Hungarians erect a statue of Skandenberg in their own country??

Because he is European hero and he was a great ally of Huniadi and Hungarian kingdom at the time.

Difficult to understand?

[ЛыSSый]

Her name is Slavic - Vojsava. "Voj" is slavic word which is associeted with battle. So there are many words "VOJska" is army, "VOJnik" is soldier and etc...

Ay, it's rather common situation when different unslavic great persons has slavic blood. For example Ataturk also had one.

[Cristiano viejo]

Because he is European hero and he was a great ally of Huniadi and Hungarian kingdom at the time.

Difficult to understand?

Statues of Hunyady dinasty in Albania, please?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Vojsava in Albanian also means oil of the flower Sava which is used by Albanians today also.

Some Albanians had slavic names back than, just like some albanians have american or italian names today or just like some had muslim names before.

The surnames of albanians never changed though, they remained tribal or medieval.

I did not know that name Vojsava have some meaning in Albanian, but ok if you say then.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Cheers!!! :cool:

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/9b2e17a99cf47fff0e322f09573026935c793c893c7eaaaab4 c55f51732e80e6_1.jpg

https://youtu.be/ppCTd9rrit0

https://youtu.be/RHgIKv9ZGK0

[Arjana]

Statues of Hunyady dinasty in Albania, please?

I think one will be built very soon.

[Arjana]

Also Mekrivadov or whatever your gypsy name is, in 1451, Skanderbeg conquered and turned into ashes half of the vassal state of the ottoman empire, the serbian despotate of brankovic.

He burned hundreds of villages in the despotate of brankovi because he didnt allow the hungarian army to unite with the albanian army.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Cheers!!! :cool:

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/9b2e17a99cf47fff0e322f09573026935c793c893c7eaaaab4 c55f51732e80e6_1.jpg

https://youtu.be/ppCTd9rrit0

https://youtu.be/RHgIKv9ZGK0

Dear Analbanians Skenderbeg was a Serb, deal with this.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Cheers!!! :cool:

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/9b2e17a99cf47fff0e322f09573026935c793c893c7eaaaab4 c55f51732e80e6_1.jpg

https://youtu.be/ppCTd9rrit0

https://youtu.be/RHgIKv9ZGK0

I don't know has he serbian ancestry, but it is not shame that he fought for Albania. He was Albanian prince. Born in Albania and fight for Albania. that is not shameless.

[Arjana]

Dear Analbanians Skenderbeg was a Serb, deal with this.

you as a servian scum you infect everything you touch.

Skanderbeg considered ottomans and servs as the lowest human beings.

[blogen]

The average Skanderberg statue is Slavic looking as an old Slavonic god and our new statue is Albanian looking. Hovewer, we don't care! Because that is an Albanian schyzophreny if the Albanian's common picture from Skanderbeg is Slavic in the reality, and the real Balkanite Skanderberg picture is a skandal in Albania.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I don't know has he serbian ancestry, but it is not shame that he fought for Albania. He was Albanian prince. Born in Albania and fight for Albania. that is not shameless.


His brother's name was Staniša and that is Serbian (Slavic) name not Albanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanisha_Kastrioti

His mother's name was Vojislava (Voisava) which is Slavic name and not Albanian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voisava

[Arjana]

The average Skanderberg statue is Slavic looking as an old Slavonic god and our new statue is Albanian looking. Hovewer, we don't care! Because that is an Albanian schyzophreny if the Albanian's common picture from Skanderbeg is Slavic in the reality, and the real Balkanite Skanderberg picture is a skandal in Albania.

http://www.lapsi.al/sites/default/files/Skenderbeu-620x620.png
http://manycorn.com/uploads/images/kpk7es20160117133614.jpg
http://www.nacionalalbania.al/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/5131d75a78d810fbaac85bf92eeefdd6.jpg

[ЛыSSый]

http://www.lapsi.al/sites/default/files/Skenderbeu-620x620.png

If it's really his historical portrait i start to beleive he as at least half serbian.

[Arjana]

http://www.lapsi.al/sites/default/files/Skenderbeu-620x620.png

If it's really his historical portrait i start to beleive he as at least half serbian.

Servs are a mixed nation of several people.

They have also a lot of avar blood, the turkic people that ruled over them for 200 years.

Albanians are much more pure in overall genetics.

That is a typical old gheg portrait.

[Сербо Макеридов]

you as a servian scum you infect everything you touch.

Skanderbeg considered ottomans and servs as the lowest human beings.


https://youtu.be/VdzDh98U8Pc

[blogen]

http://www.lapsi.al/sites/default/files/Skenderbeu-620x620.png
http://manycorn.com/uploads/images/kpk7es20160117133614.jpg
http://www.nacionalalbania.al/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/5131d75a78d810fbaac85bf92eeefdd6.jpg

Yes, the pagan Slavonic gods:
https://www.wulflund.com/img/goods/en/medium/perun-hand-carved-statue_2.jpg

Who was the archeotype, Perun?

[Arjana]

Yes, the pagan Slavonic gods:
https://www.wulflund.com/img/goods/en/medium/perun-hand-carved-statue_2.jpg

Who was the archeotype, Perun?

lol

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Yes, the pagan Slavonic gods:
https://www.wulflund.com/img/goods/en/medium/perun-hand-carved-statue_2.jpg

Who was the archeotype, Perun?

Perun was the Slavic pagan God, not the person. So what is the point?

[blogen]

Perun was the Slavic pagan God, not the person. So what is the point?

The imagination of Skanderberg. The Albanian phantasies are based on a [Norse-]Slavonic archeotype of their gods.

[Kelmendasi]

Cheers!!! :cool:

[MG]https://img.ifcdn.com/images/9b2e17a99cf47fff0e322f09573026935c793c893c7eaaaab4 c55f51732e80e6_1.jpg[/IMG]
[vdeo=youtube_share;ppCTd9rrit0]https://youtu.be/ppCTd9rrit0[/video]
[vieo=youtube_share;RHgIKv9ZGK0]https://youtu.be/RHgIKv9ZGK0[/video]
I know you're very much anti Albanian but this is a little too extreme since it's all bs

[Kelmendasi]

The imagination of Skanderberg. The Albanian phantasies are based on a [Norse-]Slavonic archeotype of their gods.
The Albanian depictions of Skanderbeg do pass as Albanian and his historical depictions by others also look Albanian

[blogen]

The Albanian depictions of Skanderbeg do pass as Albanian and his historical depictions by others also look Albanian

Bullshit. This is the only picture from Kastrioti and maybe this was an Italian imagination only:
https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010_fit_380x10000.jpg

And here is the statue based on the only "real" picture:
http://24.p3k.hu/app/uploads/2017/07/auto_26sbeg1501059722-1024x576.jpg

Anything other is your problem.

[ЛыSSый]

Servs are a mixed nation of several people.

They have also a lot of avar blood, the turkic people that ruled over them for 200 years.

Albanians are much more pure in overall genetics.

That is a typical old gheg portrait.

Ok, i beleive you. But can you explain me why does she looks like typical serb, but not albo, even for such so far person as i am?

[ЛыSSый]

Perun was the Slavic pagan God, not the person. So what is the point?

It's easy: Kastriotty sucsesses and the type of behavour weren't albanian, but typically slavic: not scared gang raids, but hornest fight against enemies.
Even his appearance and wear style was slavic. Not sure, but maybe it was reincarnation of Perun thanksgiving his slavic mother.

[blogen]

It's easy: Kastriotty sucsesses and the type of behavour weren't albanian, but typically slavic: not scared gang raids, but hornest fight against enemies.
Even his appearance and wear style was slavic. Not sure, but maybe it was reincarnation of Perun thanksgiving his slavic mother.

I talked about the source of the imagination of Skanderbeg in the 19-20th century Albanian nationalism. They used German-Slavonic type pictures for the depiction of this faceless national hero. Faceless, because these Albanian nationalist created Skanderbeg and not the real history.

We Hungarians not share the Albanian nationalist iconography. Our artist may prove to create a realistic picture about Kastrioti and this is scandal in Albania now. Because their Skanderbeg is not a real man and never was, but a national myth only.

[Kelmendasi]

Bullshit. This is the only picture from Kastrioti and maybe this was an Italian imagination only:
https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010_fit_380x10000.jpg[/IMG]

And here is the statue based on the only [I]"real" picture:
[IM]http://24.p3k.hu/app/uploads/2017/07/auto_26sbeg1501059722-1024x576.jpg[/IMG]

Anything other is your problem.
Yh man because you know better about who looks Albanian or not than I do :rolleyes:. His other statues look like another Albanian hero called Prek Cali just that Cali didn't have a beard like Slanderbeg. Afaik there are a lot of other portraits of Skanderbeg anyways the Hungarian statue looks nothing like that portrait imo

[Kelmendasi]

I talked about the source of the imagination of Skanderbeg in the 19-20th century Albanian nationalism. They used German-Slavonic type pictures for the depiction of this faceless national hero. Faceless, because these Albanian nationalist created Skanderbeg and not the real history.

We Hungarians not share the Albanian nationalist iconography. Our artist may prove to create a realistic picture about Kastrioti and this is scandal in Albania now. Because their Skanderbeg is not a real man and never was, but a national myth only.
How? Skanderbeg did fight for us/his people and our/his nation and his house/paternal side was Albanian so even if his maternal side was Slavic it don't matter

[Loki]

Respect to Albanians for standing up for their heritage and historical heroes. I hope other Europeans (especially Western and Northern) can learn from this. I'm not even going to mention Americans... who are nowadays trampling on their forefathers, in order to make newcomers happy.

[Laberia]

Skenderbeg is half Slavic (by mother line) so it is not something exotic. But Albanian prince, of course.

You think she was an slavo-Illyrian princess from Bosnia? A cousin of Alija Izetbegovic?

[Laberia]

Her name is Slavic - Vojsava. "Voj" is slavic word which is associeted with battle. So there are many words "VOJska" is army, "VOJnik" is soldier and etc...

The second son of Enver Hoxha is named Sokol Hoxha. Are you going to call him a slav?
Do you understand that you are talking about something that you don`t know nothing?

[Laberia]

Why do Hungarians erect a statue of Skandenberg in their own country??

Because He, together with other Albanians, were the only men with balls in European soil in the XV who fought without compromise against the Ottomans.

[Laberia]

Cheers!!! :cool:

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/9b2e17a99cf47fff0e322f09573026935c793c893c7eaaaab4 c55f51732e80e6_1.jpg

https://youtu.be/ppCTd9rrit0

https://youtu.be/RHgIKv9ZGK0
I know, you suffer the fact that your ancestors opened not only the Gates of your cities, but also the legs. Anyway, read here:

"Skanderbeg in Nis? We must have Donald Duck in Bujanovac"

Jonuz Musliu's announced raising of a monument to Skanderbeg in Nis has been described by the city's mayor as "a political attack aimed at Serbia's stability."
Source: Beta Thursday, July 7, 2016 | 11:04


"This is a purely political attack, which is completely unnecessary at this point and which focuses on everything that Serbia is now criticized for," said Mayor Zoran Perisic.

He also pointed out that the city has not received any initiative to build a monument dedicated to the Albanian national figure.

"I think it is out of place to talk about raising monuments in others' environments. As far as I know history, and I know it pretty well, Skanderbeg no serious historical ties with the city," the mayor said.

Perisic added that there are "hundreds more people" in Nis - the largest city in Serbia's southern area - who have more connections with Bujanovac than Skanderbeg had with Nis.

Bujanovac, Presevo, and Medvedja are three municipalities in southern Serbia with the largest ethnic Albanian population in Serbia, outside of Kosovo.

The mayor continued: "Then we will have to, as a matter of reciprocity, ask that a monument is raised to some prominent Nis resident in Bujanovac - or build a monument to some American hero, starting from Donald Duck all the way to Bruce Lee."

The Bujanovac Municipal Assembly recently passed a decision to rename the town's Karadjordjev Square, named after the founder of the modern Serbian state, to "Skanderbeu Square."

According to the Bujanovacke Vesti newspaper, quoted by Beta agency, Musliu - who heads the National Council of Albanians in Serbia - said on the occasion that although there are no Albanians in Nis, Skanderbeg should have his monument there - "because on November 3, 1443, he, with some 300 horsemen, saved the Serbs in Nis from Ottoman invaders."
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics.php?yyyy=2016&mm=07&dd=07&nav_id=98549
PROVOKACIJA.
Hahahahahhahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

[Ujku]

It's easy: Kastriotty sucsesses and the type of behavour weren't albanian, but typically slavic: not scared gang raids, but hornest fight against enemies.
Even his appearance and wear style was slavic. Not sure, but maybe it was reincarnation of Perun thanksgiving his slavic mother.

I hope you know that for the past 1000 years Albanians were recruited by everyone as mercenaries because they were fearless and great warriors???

[Laberia]

The average Skanderberg statue is Slavic looking as an old Slavonic god and our new statue is Albanian looking. Hovewer, we don't care! Because that is an Albanian schyzophreny if the Albanian's common picture from Skanderbeg is Slavic in the reality, and the real Balkanite Skanderberg picture is a skandal in Albania.

There is nothing schyzophreny. It was an observation from some experts here in Albania. You have to deal, the "Hungarian" statue looks like a Hun chief tribe, not like an Albanian.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I like how anthrotards pretend to know more about our national hero relying solely on their own imagination, each has own hypothesis, we even an Ukrainian with broken english involved who has own interesting story to share about Skenderbeg on effect of alcohol most probably.

[Kelmendasi]

I like how anthrotards pretend to know more about our national hero relying solely on their own imagination, each has own hypothesis, we even an Ukrainian with broken english involved who has own interesting story to share about Skenderbeg on effect of alcohol most probably.
+1, yh exactly lol xD

[Laberia]

The imagination of Skanderberg. The Albanian phantasies are based on a [Norse-]Slavonic archeotype of their gods.

There was an another thread and we have discussed this issue. I hate to repeat again and again. You people have to avoid to discuss about things that you have no idea.
The first serious modern work on Scanderbeg was realised bu the most important Albanian sculpltor, Odhise Paskali (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odhise_Paskali), and is the statue in Tirana:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Brosen_tirana_skanderbeg.jpg
Skanderbeg Monument (Tirana), Albania

Paskali studied for a long time this project. Was the most important work of his life. Cut the crap now.

[Laberia]

The imagination of Skanderberg. The Albanian phantasies are based on a [Norse-]Slavonic archeotype of their gods.

Some serious source to support this or just from your ass?

[Laberia]

Bullshit. This is the only picture from Kastrioti and maybe this was an Italian imagination only:
https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010_fit_380x10000.jpg

And here is the statue based on the only "real" picture:
http://24.p3k.hu/app/uploads/2017/07/auto_26sbeg1501059722-1024x576.jpg

Anything other is your problem.

This is really stupid. Do you understand why?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

+1, yh exactly lol xD

You bee muslim and form cacaussus, skanderbeg be slav and christain, cccc srbija do tokija.......These contents with similar and boring modus operandi gives me headache when I visit anthroforums.

[Laberia]

I talked about the source of the imagination of Skanderbeg in the 19-20th century Albanian nationalism. They used German-Slavonic type pictures for the depiction of this faceless national hero. Faceless, because these Albanian nationalist created Skanderbeg and not the real history.

We Hungarians not share the Albanian nationalist iconography. Our artist may prove to create a realistic picture about Kastrioti and this is scandal in Albania now. Because their Skanderbeg is not a real man and never was, but a national myth only.

Scanderbeg was a real man. He was a source of inspiration during the history for almost all European nation until XIX century. Well, a little secret. He never escaped from the battlefield like Janos. He was unique, non of his contemporary can be paragoned with him.

Do you have ever heard about Arthur Evans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Evans)?

1877
Arthur Evans:
Albania and the Eastern Key
of the Adriatic

But the greatest anxiety of the Osmanli officials in Albania is the uncertain reliance to be placed on the native Mahometans.



Albania is like Bosnia in this respect, that the Mahometan population is Turkish neither in race, language, nor sympathies. Here, too, there exists still a half-feudal aristocracy, and each of the Albanian Begs has his clannish following of true-believers, and resembles a Highland chieftain of a century or so back. The clan organization is far more developed than in Bosnia, and the Begs are proportionately more powerful. But what chiefly distinguishes Albania from other provinces lies in the peculiar characteristics of the race. By nature quick, energetic, intolerant of control, sceptical, and fickle, the Skipetar, unlike the Slav, has ever made freedom all in all, and religion a question of secondary importance. 'Religion goes with the sword' is an Albanian proverb; and whenever his profession of faith stands in the way of his interests your true Arnaout does not hesitate, at least outwardly, to conform to a more convenient creed. Thus about Prisrend and elsewhere there are thousands of Roman Catholics (Crypto-Catholics they are called) who made a public profession of Islamism to avoid the vexations to which as rayahs they were subjected. An Albanian will attend a mosque at noon and a church at night with the greatest sang froid. The memory of Skanderbeg - the last and mightiest champion of Christian Albania against the Turks - is treasured by the Mahometans of the province with a fanatical devotion which strangely contrasts with the cold respect they vouchsafe to the founder of their faith. The subtle genius of the Albanian knows how to put forward religion as a pretext, but his own interest has ever been the mainspring of his action.
Source:
excerpt from: Arthur J. Evans: Illyrian letters, a revised selection of correspondence from the Illyrian provinces of Bosnia, Herzegovina, Montenegro, Albania, Dalmatia, Croatia and Slavonia, addressed to the Manchester Guardian during the year 1877 (London: Longmans, Green and Co. 1878), p. 131 142.

[Arjana]

I like how anthrotards pretend to know more about our national hero relying solely on their own imagination, each has own hypothesis, we even an Ukrainian with broken english involved who has own interesting story to share about Skenderbeg on effect of alcohol most probably.

He is russian trolling poor ukrainians

[Laberia]

I like how anthrotards pretend to know more about our national hero relying solely on their own imagination, each has own hypothesis, we even an Ukrainian with broken english involved who has own interesting story to share about Skenderbeg on effect of alcohol most probably.

I think that i have explained. Paskali and others with him made extensive researches before he made the famous statue. The work was created by Paskali, but it`s not that one morning he decided to start the work. Many people were involved in studying and analyzing the various phenotypes of North Albania. Was an work of national imprtance, the statue of the National Heroe in the Capital of the country.

[blogen]

This is really stupid. Do you understand why?

Do you know about earlier (1508) depiction?


Scanderbeg was a real man. He was a source of inspiration during the history for almost all European nation until XIX century. Well, a little secret. He never escaped from the battlefield like Janos. He was unique, non of his contemporary can be paragoned with him.

There was a Gjergj Kastrioti, but what you call Skanderbeg is a 19/20th century Albanian nationalist imagination only.

[Kelmendasi]

Do you know about earlier depiction?



There was a Gjergj Kastrioti, but what you call Skanderbeg is a 19/20th century Albanian nationalist imagination only.
What are you on about? He was actually nicknamed "Skanderbeg", there are some Albanian stories/myths/legends surrounding Skanderbeg but most of the history is true. Man teaching an Albanian about Skanderbeg is like teaching a Hungarian about Hunyadi

[Kelmendasi]

Do you know about earlier (1508) depiction?

This one is the earliest http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Skanderbeg%2C_De_Romanorum_Magistratibus.jpg. Anyways the one you posted may be a really early depiction but it being one of the earliest doesn't make it the most accurate

[Laberia]

Do you know about earlier (1508) depiction?
The use in your sentence of the words only and imagination, is non sense.




There was a Gjergj Kastrioti, but what you call Skanderbeg is a 19/20th century Albanian nationalist imagination only.
Sorry but i don`t understand what are you trying to say here.

[blogen]

What are you on about? He was actually nicknamed "Skanderbeg", there are some Albanian stories/myths/legends surrounding Skanderbeg but most of the history is true. Man teaching an Albanian about Skanderbeg is like teaching a Hungarian about Hunyadi

No. We don't teach legends, myths and nationalist fantasies about Hunyadi. And we use his son's facial character from his real portrait (http://cms.sulinet.hu/get/d/40d01593-81d0-4297-2888-c78b25b647cd/1/10/b/Large/139_nagy.jpg) with mustache to the imagination of Hunyadi János in the statues. This is why we not understand the Albanian problem's with the reality. Ok, this 1508 portrait of Kastrioti (https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010.jpg) is not similar with the Corvin Mátyás portrait, because not contemporary depiction from the real person, but this is the closest depiction in time to the real person.

So, it's a good start to a realistic Kastrioti statue. Of course, the realism is the greatest enemy of any nationalism, especially the balkanite versions, where the history is a myth only.

[blogen]

Sorry but i don`t understand what are you trying to say here.

This is a depiction of an imaginary national hero, this is an Albanian nationalist image only:
https://previews.123rf.com/images/ollirg/ollirg1309/ollirg130900371/22201837-a-bronze-head-sculpture-of-the-national-hero-G-K-Skanderbeg-located-inside-the-National-Museum-built-Stock-Photo.jpg

This was an imagination from a real person from 1508 (but he was dead since 40 years ago then, the artist never saw this guy, this was imagination only about an Albanian, hovewer, this is the closest image to the real person):
https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010.jpg

[Laberia]

No. We don't teach legends, myths and nationalist fantasies about Hunyadi. And we use his son's facial character from his real portrait (http://cms.sulinet.hu/get/d/40d01593-81d0-4297-2888-c78b25b647cd/1/10/b/Large/139_nagy.jpg) with mustache to the imagination of Hunyadi János in the statues. This is why we not understand the Albanian problem's with the reality. Ok, this 1508 portrait of Kastrioti (https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010.jpg) is not similar with the Corvin Mátyás portrait, because not contemporary depiction from the real person, but this is the closest depiction in time to the real person.

So, it's a good start to a realistic Kastrioti statue. Of course, the realism is the greatest enemy of any nationalism, especially the balkanite versions, where the history is a myth only.

Again you have problems with the logic. If you call a painting imagination, how can be used as a source of an realistic statue?

[Laberia]

This is a depiction of an imaginary national hero, this is an Albanian nationalist image only:
https://previews.123rf.com/images/ollirg/ollirg1309/ollirg130900371/22201837-a-bronze-head-sculpture-of-the-national-hero-G-K-Skanderbeg-located-inside-the-National-Museum-built-Stock-Photo.jpg

This was an imagination from a real person from 1508 (but he was dead since 40 years ago then, the artist never saw this guy, this was imagination only about an Albanian, hovewer, this is the closest image to the real person):
https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010.jpg

How do you know that this is the closest image to the real person? Can you explain me please?

[Kelmendasi]

No. We don't teach legends, myths and nationalist fantasies about Hunyadi. And we use his son's facial character from his real portrait (http://cms.sulinet.hu/get/d/40d01593-81d0-4297-2888-c78b25b647cd/1/10/b/Large/139_nagy.jpg) with mustache to the imagination of Hunyadi János in the statues. This is why we not understand the Albanian problem's with the reality. Ok, this 1508 portrait of Kastrioti (https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010.jpg) is not similar with the Corvin Mátyás portrait, because not contemporary depiction from the real person, but this is the closest depiction in time to the real person.

So, it's a good start to a realistic Kastrioti statue. Of course, the realism is the greatest enemy of any nationalism, especially the balkanite versions, where the history is a myth only.
Albanians don't teach the myths in school afaik but they are just folk stories nothing more, the history is true. The only reason you are saying that our statues and the statues of every other nation except from Hungary which has a statue of Skanderbeg is "nationalistic" is because Hungary is the one who made this wrong depiction and of course you want to back up your country, btw every other country did the same depiction of Skanderbeg as Albania which just shows which is accurate and which is not. The statue in Tirana and Kruje are far more accurate than this Hungarian one as they had years and years of studying the project but I bet your gonna say that they are "Nationalistic" lol even thought they are based off from portraits. No other statue depicts Skanderbeg as looking east Asian, but whatever man

[blogen]

This one is the earliest http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Skanderbeg%2C_De_Romanorum_Magistratibus.jpg. Anyways the one you posted may be a really early depiction but it being one of the earliest doesn't make it the most accurate

So the 1508 was a detailed copy of this smaller 1477 depiction. Sadly the 1477 was also not contemporary. Hovewer, these are the models to the Hungarian statue. What is your problem then? This is the guy from these pictures, with his big lips, arc eyebrow, big beard, deep eyes, splayed ears:
http://24.p3k.hu/app/uploads/2017/07/auto_26sbeg1501059722-1024x576.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

This is a depiction of an imaginary national hero, this is an Albanian nationalist image only:
https://previews.123rf.com/images/ollirg/ollirg1309/ollirg130900371/22201837-a-bronze-head-sculpture-of-the-national-hero-G-K-Skanderbeg-located-inside-the-National-Museum-built-Stock-Photo.jpg[/IM]

This was an imagination from a real person from 1508 (but he was dead since 40 years ago then, the artist never saw this guy, this was imagination only about an Albanian, hovewer, this is the closest image to the real person):
[IG]https://mno.hu/data/cikkek/2410/24103/cikk-2410352/historiadeuitaet00barl_0010.jpg
The "nationalistic" bust looks closer to that portrait than the Hungarian bust though

[Kelmendasi]

So the 1508 was a detailed copy of this smally 1477 depiction. Sadly the 1477 was also not contemporary. Hovewer, these are the models to the Hungarian statue. What is your problem then? This is the guy from these pictures:
[MG]http://24.p3k.hu/app/uploads/2017/07/auto_26sbeg1501059722-1024x576.jpg[/IMG]
My problem isn't that he looks "too Slavic" or whatever but it's that the Hungarian one looks hardly like the portraits. There are far more detailed portraits of Skanderbeg btw

[blogen]

My problem isn't that he looks "too Slavic" or whatever but it's that the Hungarian one looks hardly like the portraits. There are far more detailed portraits of Skanderbeg btw

No, there was not. This 1477 too "Slavic portrait" is the only then, what was close to the real Kastrioti in time (11 years after his death). So Balkanite look Kastrioti look too Slavic and this is why you created the mythical Skanderbeg, with her Alban look character, what looks a pagan Slavic god in the reality! :D

Typical lunacy in the Balkanite nationalism. Hovewer, calm dawn, the Romanians have much more crazy things!

[Сербо Макеридов]

Skanderbeg is a 19/20th century Albanian nationalist imagination only.

[Danaan]

There are statues of Scanderbeg around the world in almost all the important capitales and cities. It has been decided to rise a statue in Paris. Only in Moscow, Athens and Belgrade there are no statues of Scanderbeg.

Buy land in the center of Athens. Make a square and and a Skanderbeg statue in the center.

[ЛыSSый]

I like how anthrotards pretend to know more about our national hero relying solely on their own imagination, each has own hypothesis, we even an Ukrainian with broken english involved who has own interesting story to share about Skenderbeg on effect of alcohol most probably.

you're just butthurt you can't create such stories.

[Laberia]

No, there was not. This 1477 too "Slavic portrait" is the only then, what was close to the real Kastrioti in time (11 years after his death). So Balkanite look Kastrioti look too Slavic and this is why you created the mythical Skanderbeg, with her Alban look character, what looks a pagan Slavic god in the reality! :D

Typical lunacy in the Balkanite nationalism. Hovewer, calm dawn, the Romanians have much more crazy things!

Excuse me but you have to understand that all your attempts here to explain your point of view are exactly a lunacy.

[Laberia]

Buy land in the center of Athens. Make a square and and a Skanderbeg statue in the center.

Sure. Your governments are making the South Albania a masive graveyard. You know this? With the pretext of making memorials for the Greek soldiers killed during the WWII, they are making with this "memorials" an imaginary border of North Epirus. And you know what is the most disgusting thing in all this story? Many of this "soldiers" are Albanian children or other Albanian civilians died not only before the WWII, but also from the XIX century. Is one of the conditions of your country for the membership of Albania in EU. And of course, all this operation is made with EU money. You are really smart.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

you're just butthurt you can't create such stories.

True I mirin you because I'm not creative enough when I drink vodka to come up with such creative fairytales.

[solaris]

http://www.avaz.ba/storage/2015/10/07/thumbs/5614d6f0-1e14-4063-95e1-13900a0a0a64-morina-222-718x446.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

My problem isn't that he looks "too Slavic" or whatever but it's that the Hungarian one looks hardly like the portraits. There are far more detailed portraits of Skanderbeg btw

Just hire the guy that did C. Ronaldo and Gareth Bale if you want real accuracy.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/sport-preview-bale-and-ronaldo-busts-updated.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1200&h=800&crop=1

[Kelmendasi]

No, there was not. This 1477 too "Slavic portrait" is the only then, what was close to the real Kastrioti in time (11 years after his death). So Balkanite look Kastrioti look too Slavic and this is why you created the mythical Skanderbeg, with her Alban look character, what looks a pagan Slavic god in the reality! :D

Typical lunacy in the Balkanite nationalism. Hovewer, calm dawn, the Romanians have much more crazy things!
Yh man because you know what portrait Kastrioti resembled the most :rolleyes:. Anyways the 1477 portrait doesn't look "Slavic" it's the Hungarian depiction which does according to other people, imo the Hungarian depiction looks nothing like the portrait but I will have to see the profile to be sure

[ЛыSSый]

True I mirin you because I'm not creative enough when I drink vodka to come up with such creative fairytales.
What does "mirin" mean?
Might i ask you stop your useless attempts to insult me? Also: i don't drink vodka - prefer 70% or 90% spirit (there are two standarts here).

The main problem is the all images and imagimations of Castriotty are too much slavic. Idk why and what it was: or albos saw only one supermacy ethnicity - serbs and used them as example or somebodies else used serbs as example and albos are just innocent victims.

Another problem is there are exists Kastriotty's profiles only. And the question is why did hungarian sculptor prefer to make flat asian face.


He is russian trolling poor ukrainians

thanks for your personal wrong opinion. Write more, please - your posts are funny.

[Herr Abubu]

More like Oghuzbeg.

[wvwvw]

It's an insult to Slavs to call it Slavic looking..lol look at his almost unibrows.

[Arjana]

What does "mirin" mean?
Might i ask you stop your useless attempts to insult me? Also: i don't drink vodka - prefer 70% or 90% spirit (there are two standarts here).

The main problem is the all images and imagimations of Castriotty are too much slavic. Idk why and what it was: or albos saw only one supermacy ethnicity - serbs and used them as example or somebodies else used serbs as example and albos are just innocent victims.

Another problem is there are exists Kastriotty's profiles only. And the question is why did hungarian sculptor prefer to make flat asian face.



thanks for your personal wrong opinion. Write more, please - your posts are funny.

Was already told you here, that Skanderbeg considered servs and ottomans as the lowest scum.

He conquered and burnt half of the servian despotate, which was de facto part of the ottoman empire by 1450.


Also he could have not displayed a slavic behavior, because slavs are savages from urals, gangs and destruction are part of you.

You animals raped 3 million german women in only 5 months.

[Arjana]

Buy land in the center of Athens. Make a square and and a Skanderbeg statue in the center.

Skanderbeg is a europan hero.

He is responsible that europe was saved from the ottoman invasion in the 15th century.

Building a state of him in Athens is not a sign of albanian nationalism .

Even building statues of Albanian Bue Shpata rulers of Peloponnese in the 15th centuries or other albanian princes that ruled Epirus and Corinth in medieval times, are not sign of albanian nationalism, because they were the only ones to fight and delay the ottoman expansion in the lands that belong to the greek state today.

Especially the Bue Shpata that were considered ''the last wall of Constantinople'' by the roman emperor in 1420s.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Was already told you here, that Skanderbeg considered servs and ottomans as the lowest scum.

He conquered and burnt half of the servian despotate, which was de facto part of the ottoman empire by 1450.


Also he could have not displayed a slavic behavior, because slavs are savages from urals, gangs and destruction are part of you.

You animals raped 3 million german women in only 5 months.

Yes. They raped German woman. But what Germans did before to Polish people and to the Ukrainian people and West Russia, before the operation "Barbarosa" ? I am not a communist, but Nazi's deserved all the rapings becouse it is not even a half of what they did to others.

[Arjana]

Yes. They raped German woman. But what Germans did before to Polish people and to the Ukrainian people and West Russia, before the operation "Barbarosa" ? I am not a communist, but Nazi's deserved all the rapings becouse it is not even a half of what they did to others.

Germans didnt rape women.

Even if that happened, ti was not a policy of the state.

Soviets encouraged rape and a national policy.

Not much different of what the servs did in Bosnia btw.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Germans didnt rape women.

Even if that happened, ti was not a policy of the state.

Soviets encouraged rape and a national policy.

Not much different of what the servs did in Bosnia btw.

You are right. They didn't rape. They killed thousends of Polish boys and girls. Also a Russian. Serbs are different thing. Their soldiers raped woman becouse they are frustrated of their own woman and their criminals just came in Srebrenica to rape and kill unarmed people.

[Laberia]

Skanderbeg is a europan hero.

He is responsible that europe was saved from the ottoman invasion in the 15th century.

Building a state of him in Athens is not a sign of albanian nationalism .

Even building statues of Albanian Bue Shpata rulers of Peloponnese in the 15th centuries or other albanian princes that ruled Epirus and Corinth in medieval times, are not sign of albanian nationalism, because they were the only ones to fight and delay the ottoman expansion in the lands that belong to the greek state today.

Especially the Bue Shpata that were considered ''the last wall of Constantinople'' by the roman emperor in 1420s.

You are asking too many things. In Greece you can`t find a street or a square named "Arvaniti". Those people fought and liberated Greece.

[ЛыSSый]

Germans didnt rape women.

Even if that happened, ti was not a policy of the state.

Soviets encouraged rape and a national policy.

Not much different of what the servs did in Bosnia btw.

Your post is great, thanks. But why does alboes well known now in whole europe as rapists?
It's not for insult, just european observations.

My version is: they haven't sex in native country, nobody want to get fucked by them in eu and they haven't money for prostitutes.
It's only one reason for make and get some pleasure from so low kind of sex as rape. I know, i've tryed it once)))

And about mass rapes by slavs. A lot of male virgins here like to speak about it maybe because it's only one way for them to get some pussy. But fuck you - you all haven't ball. And in this reason you haven't sex.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

What does "mirin" mean?
Might i ask you stop your useless attempts to insult me? Also: i don't drink vodka - prefer 70% or 90% spirit (there are two standarts here).

The main problem is the all images and imagimations of Castriotty are too much slavic. Idk why and what it was: or albos saw only one supermacy ethnicity - serbs and used them as example or somebodies else used serbs as example and albos are just innocent victims.

Another problem is there are exists Kastriotty's profiles only. And the question is why did hungarian sculptor prefer to make flat asian face.

It means admire in jokey way.

I'm sure you haven't heard about Skenderbeg before until you accidentally found out in this forum.

Now since you probably haven't heard of him before then we shall disqualify you immediately from debate I think.

[Linebacker]

To be honest the original Kastrioti as Lyssy said looks pretty Slavic too.

His features are anything but e1b.

Is there one Albenionian on the forum with such features?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

To be honest the original Kastrioti as Lyssy said looks pretty Slavic too.

His features are anything but e1b.

Is there one Albenionian on the forum with such features?

Muh slav heirage and sheit style of arguments I keep hearing, get your fact straight for once, he was not slav nor he did look slav, if there was a credible document that he was described as slavic looking serbs would annoy the shit out of us for centuries already, but he was not and nor he gave a flying fuck about any slavic living being, so stop claiming other historical figures or you may join bandwagon of 'ancient' fyromonkies and we wuz building bosnian pyramids assemblage.

don't be so sure about e1b thing you midget he could very well end up e-v13 because his family line is Albanian, so chances are never so great to score exactly that, no correlation between hg and face whatsoever, the fuck are you talkin 'bout?

[Dema]

They gave him Mongol features...

[Bosniensis]

They gave him Mongol features...

What Y-DNA calculators can I use with V5 23andme raw data aside from Genesis Gedmatch?

Thank you :P

[The Illyrian Warrior]

They gave him Mongol features...

Awfully designed but they are in process changing.

[Dema]

What Y-DNA calculators can I use with V5 23andme raw data aside from Genesis Gedmatch?

Thank you :P

Did your results arrive lol? What haplogroup are you?

Open a thread about your resuts....

[The Illyrian Warrior]

nevermind.

[Bosniensis]

Did your results arrive lol? What haplogroup are you?

Open a thread about your resuts....

In my forum signature :P

[ЛыSSый]

It means admire in jokey way.

I'm sure you haven't heard about Skenderbeg before until you accidentally found out in this forum.

Now since you probably haven't heard of him before then we shall disqualify you immediately from debate I think.

Kastriotty was in soviet school history course.

[ЛыSSый]

Awfully designed but they are in process changing.

be careful: they migth just cut his nose to asian standart.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

be careful: they migth just cut his nose to asian standart.

As this statue wasn't chink enough. lol

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Kastriotty was in soviet school history course.

Lemme guess, he was slav according to your history curriculum.

[Dinarid Warrior]

Skenderbeg is half Slavic (by mother line) so it is not something exotic. But Albanian prince, of course.

Yes, his mother was Serbian. And he's a heavily mythified character. Albanians took him as a national hero in the 19th - 20th century

In Kosova , the average person does not give a shit about this character, heres a Kosovo Albanian Muslim pissing on his statue

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DxyRarx1hTY/UfELn8zcTkI/AAAAAAAAAOk/ztuXd2R6qvo/s1600/hyseni+double+H.png

[wvwvw]

Yes, his mother was Serbian. And he's a heavily mythified character. Albanians took him as a national hero in the 19th - 20th century

In Kosova , the average person does not give a shit about this character, heres a Kosovo Albanian Muslim pissing on his statue

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DxyRarx1hTY/UfELn8zcTkI/AAAAAAAAAOk/ztuXd2R6qvo/s1600/hyseni+double+H.png

If Kastrioti was alive he would slay him

[Dinarid Warrior]

If Kastrioti was alive he would slay him


He would have to slay a lot of Kosovars in that case , there are a lot of people who go to piss on the statue. Ive seen many myself. Its some type of protest.

[wvwvw]

He would have to slay a lot of Kosovars in that case , there are a lot of people who go to piss on the statue. Ive seen many myself. Its some type of protest.

Because they're Muslims, and Kastriotis fought against them.

[Dinarid Warrior]

Because they're Muslims, and Kastriotis fought against them.

Yes and No, because hes an irrelevant character. He didnt liberate Albanians. He actually didnt do shit.

[Laberia]

He would have to slay a lot of Kosovars in that case , there are a lot of people who go to piss on the statue. Ive seen many myself. Its some type of protest.

Ti po e kërkon por mos ki merak se do ta gjesh:
http://www.malesia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/jeton-verbani.jpg

[Bonpal]

Yes, his mother was Serbian. And he's a heavily mythified character. Albanians took him as a national hero in the 19th - 20th century

In Kosova , the average person does not give a shit about this character, heres a Kosovo Albanian Muslim pissing on his statue

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DxyRarx1hTY/UfELn8zcTkI/AAAAAAAAAOk/ztuXd2R6qvo/s1600/hyseni+double+H.png

thats disgusting.

[Laberia]

thats disgusting.

This bastard is not Albanian. He is servian troll.

[Dinarid Warrior]

Ti po e kërkon por mos ki merak se do ta gjesh:
http://www.malesia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/jeton-verbani.jpg

Eja provo

[Petros Houhoulis]

Vojsava in Albanian also means oil of the flower Sava which is used by Albanians today also.

Some Albanians had slavic names back than, just like some albanians have american or italian names today or just like some had muslim names before.

The surnames of albanians never changed though, they remained tribal or medieval.

Really? Who was that Skanderbeg again? Because I remember a certain Kastriotis, and we'd better not analyse his origins, because you won't get past his surname...

[Alboz]

Shqipez, reagimi yn koheve t'fundit kur permendet Skenderbeu:rotfl2

min 8:34


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAYSQ2OAe7Q

[Petros Houhoulis]

Sure. Your governments are making the South Albania a masive graveyard. You know this? With the pretext of making memorials for the Greek soldiers killed during the WWII, they are making with this "memorials" an imaginary border of North Epirus. And you know what is the most disgusting thing in all this story? Many of this "soldiers" are Albanian children or other Albanian civilians died not only before the WWII, but also from the XIX century. Is one of the conditions of your country for the membership of Albania in EU. And of course, all this operation is made with EU money. You are really smart.

No matter how many cemeteries we build, it won't be possible to demarcate a border with them, and do not worry, it is well known how far did the Greek soldiers go into Albania during WWII, with the support of the local Greek population, of course...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Skanderbeg is a Europan hero.

He is responsible that Europe was saved from the Ottoman invasion in the 15th century.

Even if he was, the Ottomans attacked a couple of times the next centuries. They were in Vienna at 1529 and again at 1683. Thus Albania played little to no role at defending Europe - which the Ottomans could easily bypass at any time they wished to reach Europe anyway...


Building a state of him in Athens is not a sign of Albanian nationalism.

No, it would simply be a continuation of the "Disneyland" culture that has spread all over the most stupid Balkan states. Skandemberg is IRRELEVANT to Athens, and thus erecting a statue to him would be pointless.


Even building statues of Albanian Bue Shpata rulers of Peloponnese in the 15th centuries or other Albanian princes that ruled Epirus and Corinth in medieval times, are not sign of Albanian nationalism, because they were the only ones to fight and delay the ottoman expansion in the lands that belong to the Greek state today.

Those were brought by the Latin invaders to control Greece for them. If the Latins had not done all this crap - especially the sack of Constantinople at 1204 - the Ottomans would have probably never crossed the Bosphorus...


Especially the Bue Shpata that were considered ''the last wall of Constantinople'' by the roman emperor in 1420s.

Links please.

When are you going to build statues of Charles of Anjou and Sarrail in Tirana? Those Frenchmen have created your state for you at two different times in history! You should at least acknowledge them!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Albania_(medieval)


The Kingdom of Albania (Albanian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language): Mbretëria e Arbërisë, Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): Regnum Albaniae) was established by Charles of Anjou (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_Naples) in the Albanian territories he conquered from the Byzantine Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire) in 1271. The Kingdom of Albania was declared in late February 1272. The kingdom extended from the region of Durazzo (Dyrrhachium, modern Durrës (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durr%C3%ABs)) south along the coast to Butrint (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butrint). A major attempt to advance further in direction of Constantinople failed at the Siege of Berat (1280–1281) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Berat_%281280%E2%80%931281%29). A Byzantine counteroffensive soon ensued, which drove the Angevins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capetian_House_of_Anjou) out of the interior by 1281. The Sicilian Vespers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Vespers) further weakened the position of Charles, and the Kingdom was soon reduced by the Byzantines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire) to a small area around Durazzo. The Angevins held out here, however, until 1368, when the city was captured by Karl Thopia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Thopia). In 1392 Karl Thopia's son surrendered the city and his domains to the Republic of Venice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Venice).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Sarrail#Autumn


On 10 December, Henry Descoin, the commander of the French garrison of Korçë, with Sarrail's approval, declared the Autonomous Albanian Republic of Korçë (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB) in Koritza, asserting control over Epirus and appointing Themistokli Gërmenji (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themistokli_G%C3%ABrmenji) as prefect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefect). French troops had been active there and in southern Albania, attempting to suppress the local comitaji bandits.[48] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Sarrail#cite_note-Clayton_2003.2C_p.C2.A0190-48)[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Sarrail#cite_note-Palmer_1998.2C_p.C2.A072-54)[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Sarrail#cite_note-Sakelariou-55)[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Sarrail#cite_note-56)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB


The Autonomous Albanian Republic of Korçë (Albanian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language): Republika Autonome Shqipëtare e Korçës) was an autonomous state established in 1916, by the local French forces, after the city of Korçë (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB) fell under their control, during World War I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) and lasted till 1920.
Due to developments in the Macedonian Front (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Front_%28World_War_I%29) of World War I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) the city of Korçë (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB) came under French control (1916–20). During this time 14 representatives of Korçë and French Colonel Descoins signed a protocol that proclaimed the Autonomous Albanian Republic of Korçë under the military protection of the French army and with Themistokli Gërmenji (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themistokli_G%C3%ABrmenji) as Prefect of Police.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB#ci te_note-Schmidt-Neke1987-3)[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB#ci te_note-Pearson2004103-4)
The new authorities introduced Albanian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_language) and French (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language) as the official language and replaced Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks) schools with Albanian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians) ones, which were forbidden during the Greek administration of the city.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB#ci te_note-Pearson2006103-5)[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB#ci te_note-6) There was also a French school in Korçë (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_National_Lyceum) and one of its many students was Enver Hoxha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Hoxha),[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB#ci te_note-ehox-7) who was an apprentice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship) (1927—1930) and then teacher (1937—1939) there.[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB#ci te_note-8) He would later become the First Secretary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_General) of the Albanian Party of Labour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_Party_of_Labour), serving from 1941 until his death in 1985.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB#ci te_note-ehox-7)



If I were you I would have placed at least one fleur de lys and the colors of France somewhere in the Albanian flag and coat of arms to honor those who created you...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Germans didnt rape women.

Even if that happened, ti was not a policy of the state.

Neither was the Soviet policy one of raping. They just told their soldiers to do whatever they liked after the fall of Berlin, but they didn't them an explicit order to rape German women! In any case, the Germans are responsible for the Holocaust (among others) which means that the rapes were mild punishment in comparison...


Soviets encouraged rape and a national policy.

Not much different of what the Serbs did in Bosnia btw.

Not different from what Albanian pimps do with women from all eastern Europe, especially Albania. Stop bitching, you know that you are worse...

[Decius]

Servs are a mixed nation of several people.

They have also a lot of avar blood, the turkic people that ruled over them for 200 years.

Albanians are much more pure in overall genetics.

That is a typical old gheg portrait.

Turkic blood you make me laugh Albanians look way more Turk influenced especially Southern Albanians. George Kastriotovoitch Skenderbeg was Serbian get that through youre head

[Laberia]

No matter how many cemeteries we build, it won't be possible to demarcate a border with them, and do not worry, it is well known how far did the Greek soldiers go into Albania during WWII, with the support of the local Greek population, of course...

The old fat faggot is back.

[Laberia]

Even if he was, the Ottomans attacked a couple of times the next centuries. They were in Vienna at 1529 and again at 1683. Thus Albania played little to no role at defending Europe - which the Ottomans could easily bypass at any time they wished to reach Europe anyway...No, it would simply be a continuation of the "Disneyland" culture that has spread all over the most stupid Balkan states. Skandemberg is IRRELEVANT to Athens, and thus erecting a statue to him would be pointless.Those were brought by the Latin invaders to control Greece for them. If the Latins had not done all this crap - especially the sack of Constantinople at 1204 - the Ottomans would have probably never crossed the Bosphorus...

Links please.

When are you going to build statues of Charles of Anjou and Sarrail in Tirana? Those Frenchmen have created your state for you at two different times in history! You should at least acknowledge them!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Albania_(medieval)



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Sarrail#Autumn



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Albanian_Republic_of_Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB



If I were you I would have placed at least one fleur de lys and the colors of France somewhere in the Albanian flag and coat of arms to honor those who created you...
The wiki gay is back.

Whoha, prepare baby:

The Arvanites

Today in Greece there are almost 5,000,000 off-springs of Albanians, who, known as Arvanites, made their own descent starting from the 11th century A.D. It is estimated that initially they numbered almost 300,000 armed shepherds and brigands. Their name remains a mystery, as some scholars even associated them with the inhabitants of Albania at Caucasus (modern Turkish-speaking Azerbaijan). However, historians of today doubt severely any connection with the ancient Illyrians, while they have in fact mingled with the Slavs.
Albanians arrived in large numbers in the Peloponnese during the reign of the Asia Minor Greek despotes of Mistra, who brought them there to serve as soldiers and to resettle depopulated regions. They settled later in Epirus, Rumeli, Euboea, Attica and the nearby islands of Andros and the Saronic gulf (Spetse, Hydra and Salamina). Some of them crossed over to the Seven Isles while others had later open battle with Vlachs at Thessaly. A part of them, who was Greek-speaking, migrated to Calabria in the south of Italy, where they still preserve a singular modern Greek idiom. That region, shortly before World War II, was named by Benito Mussolini “Valley of Albanians”, while in the contrary False-Greeks, insisting in their ignorant of history propaganda considered those Arvanites as off-springs of ancient Greeks who settled there and founded Magna Graecia.
Christian and Muslim Arvanites in Greek peninsula were divided into fatries, e.g. clans with a strict common law, and belonged to different tribal groups like Tsamides (Cham Albanians), Toskides, Gekides and so on. One of the attributes of False-Greeks’ stupidity is the fact that “Tsamikos dance”, traditional folk dance of Tsamides, is very popular among the rest of “Modern Greeks” as they call themselves the Hellenized descendants of Albanian peoples who settled in the 12th and 13th centuries. Yet there is a taboo on the subject of their Albanian origin.
The dissociation between Muslim Albanians (called Turkoalbanians) and Christian Albanians constituted strangely the spark of the gradual expulsion of the first ones from Greek territory, not the actual reason. The strange common law of one clan permitted even what is regarded as treason in a broader sense, without being considered as such according to Albanian customs.
Anyhow, the ethnic cleansing which was attempted by the emergent “Kingdom of Greece”, shortly after the assassination of Ioannis Kapodistrias, the first governor of Greece, was decisive for all who did not match the criteria of a strange Balkan propaganda about “full-blooded Greeks” as conceived by first bourgeoisie and ruling class of that farrago. So they were expelled from the territory of Greece, which in 1832 comprised Peloponnese, Rumeli and the Cyclades, Turks and Jews but also Muslim Arvanites (Lalaii, Barduniotes and so on). The “Greek Revolution” of 1821 against the Ottoman Empire was essentially an Albanian revolt, as chieftains and corps of brigands (palikaria) were Arvanites in their majority.
In 1770, another revolt preceded, orchestrated by Russians, which was degenerated into a domestic quarrel between Christian and Muslim Albanians of Peloponnese. Was it so yet? The causes of that revolutionary movements still remain obscure, regardless of the fact that history books of modern Greece have whitewashed a reality that seems so credible as the allegedly origin of False-Greeks from the ancient inhabitants of the country.
It is a fact that the chieftains who fought against Turks and their agents, the kodjabashis (the wealthy provincial notables) turned into terrible brigands who terrorized the Greek countryside, several decades after independence. Although a purified variety of Greek language (katharevusa) with archaisms, used by few people, was imposed by the prevalent ideology of “Greece”, in the countryside for many years prevailed the Albanian dialect: Arvanitika. Today it is spoken by few mainly in Thiva (Thebes) and in Attica also some time ago.
It is said that the worst enemy of a nation is someone who has renounced it. Something equivalent happened with False-Greeks, who do not wish to know or they really do not know anymore their origin from Slavs, Albanians and Vlachs, established during the Middle Ages in Greece. Although the surnames of most “New-Greeks” are of Albanian origin, like Mercouris, Nikas, Capsalis, Grivas, Cotsis, Papulias and so on, they consider Albanian economic migrants as a foreign body. History, in most cases globally, has to be rewritten, but especially in Greece because of the lies fabricated by the False-Greeks in the beginning of 19th century. Although those who passed that ideology of the Greek nation to the revolted False-Greeks were not merely False-Greeks, they themselves till now ignore that their rebellious ancestors in 1821 did not know Greek. The national hero Markos Botsaris, like all the other Albanians of the era, spoke only Albanian and, at the very best, had a little knowledge of Greek language. In the gatherings which usually took place in ruined ancient theatres of classical era and the False-Greeks historians call pompously “National Assemblies”, the barbarian participants spoke Albanian. Theodoros Kolokotronis, off-spring of an old family of Christian Albanians from Peloponnese and the man who played a catalytic role in the War of Greek Independence (1821-30), had Hellenized his surname from Bythegouras (deriving from the Albanian words bytha = anus and goura = stone) and had served as mercenary in the British Army which were stationed in the Seven Isles, where Britons had organized an army corps with such soldiers of fortune, the so-called “Albanian Company”. The Souliots of southern Epirus, who struggled against Ali Pasa, ruler of Ioannina (Janina) and one of the greatest personalities in European history at the end of 18th and the beginning of 19th centuries, were Albanians. Ali Pasa, with father an apostate Christian, whose family had emigrated possibly from Smyrna to Greece, and with mother an Albanian woman, became one of the most powerful provincial governors in Ottoman Empire. Lord Byron and some other great European writers and poets had him deified. He obtained to be rewarded the pashalik of Janina and with the aid of his military and diplomatic abilities he governed Greece from Peloponnese to Thessaly, before he was deserted by his Christian Albanian mercenaries who betrayed him to Resit Pasa. Cruel and ruthless, he played a significant role in Napoleonic Wars and had visions of becoming sultan of the Ottoman Empire itself. Finally he was beheaded on an island by his palace and his head adorned a pole in front of Sultan Ahmed Cami (Blue Mosque), at the place where once stood the Hippodrome of Constantinople. The news of his execution created a sensation throughout Europe of the time.
It is also said that history is written by the winners. Surely it is not written by the losers. Ali Pasa was not placed in the Pantheon of great personalities of the “Albanian Revolution”, as it happened with Papaflessa, an intriguer priest of the time, who, although relatively petty, is honored as a hero by the modern “New-Greeks”.

Do you have a street or a square named Arvanite in Greece?

[Norka]

How does he look Slavic? He looks like Anal Stallions wet dream.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You are asking too many things. In Greece you can`t find a street or a square named "Arvaniti". Those people fought and liberated Greece.

You can find plenty of streets names like "Kountourioti" or "Miaouli", "Bouboulinas", "Kriezi", "Pangalou", e.t.c. e.t.c., but you are correct, there is no "Arvaniti" street or square in Greece, because there has not been any hero of the Greek revolution with that name...

Ah, Coco, you are truly entertaining!!!

[Laberia]

You can find plenty of streets names like "Kountourioti" or "Miaouli", "Bouboulinas", "Kriezi", "Pangalou", e.t.c. e.t.c., but you are correct, there is no "Arvaniti" street or square in Greece, because there has not been any hero of the Greek revolution with that name...

Ah, Coco, you are truly entertaining!!!

Why not?

Although those who passed that ideology of the Greek nation to the revolted False-Greeks were not merely False-Greeks, they themselves till now ignore that their rebellious ancestors in 1821 did not know Greek. The national hero Markos Botsaris, like all the other Albanians of the era, spoke only Albanian and, at the very best, had a little knowledge of Greek language. In the gatherings which usually took place in ruined ancient theatres of classical era and the False-Greeks historians call pompously “National Assemblies”, the barbarian participants spoke Albanian. Theodoros Kolokotronis, off-spring of an old family of Christian Albanians from Peloponnese and the man who played a catalytic role in the War of Greek Independence (1821-30), had Hellenized his surname from Bythegouras (deriving from the Albanian words bytha = anus and goura = stone) and had served as mercenary in the British Army which were stationed in the Seven Isles, where Britons had organized an army corps with such soldiers of fortune, the so-called “Albanian Company”. The Souliots of southern Epirus, who struggled against Ali Pasa, ruler of Ioannina (Janina) and one of the greatest personalities in European history at the end of 18th and the beginning of 19th centuries, were Albanians.
You see? This is a a fake or False Nation. You have to show respect for the Albanians. Modern Greece, the first Greek state in history, exists thanks to Albanians. Ok, you vulgaro-vlach?

[Petros Houhoulis]

Why not?

Because there is no hero of the Greek revolution with the name "Arvanite" you moron!


You see? This is a a fake or False Nation. You have to show respect for the Albanians. Modern Greece, the first Greek state in history, exists thanks to Albanians. Ok, you vulgaro-vlach?

You are faking history every fucking day. First of all Kolokotronis was not the only one of his family who were fighting the Ottomans, there are plaenty of other Kolokotronis, and none of them changed their names! Not to mention that there is no mention of a name "Bythagouras" in any source, official of unofficial. That "bythagouras" was the nickname the Arvanites gave to him. On the contrary, "Your" hero "Skanderbeg" appears as such only from Ottoman sources. He used the Greek name Kastriotis in his correspondence with the Italians. Guess why...

[Laberia]

Because there is no hero of the Greek revolution with the name "Arvanite" you moron!

You are faking history every fucking day. First of all Kolokotronis was not the only one of his family who were fighting the Ottomans, there are plaenty of other Kolokotronis, and none of them changed their names! Not to mention that there is no mention of a name "Bythagouras" in any source, official of unofficial. That "bythagouras" was the nickname the Arvanites gave to him. On the contrary, "Your" hero "Skanderbeg" appears as such only from Ottoman sources. He used the Greek name Kastriotis in his correspondence with the Italians. Guess why...

Get the hell out of here you faggot. Always you start this flame wars between greek and Albanians.

[wvwvw]

Germans didnt rape women.

Even if that happened, ti was not a policy of the state.

Soviets encouraged rape and a national policy.

Not much different of what the servs did in Bosnia btw.

They did rape among others Norwegian women.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Get the hell out of here you faggot. Always you start this flame wars between Greek and Albanians.

Koko the faggot gorilla, the one who starts the flame wars is the one who doesn't capitalize the name of his opponents, for starters...

[Laberia]

Coco the faggot gorilla, the one who starts the flame wars is the one who doesn't capitalize the name of his opponents, for starters...
You are an idiot Kungullis. And because you are an idiot, your posts are totally stupid. Go paly backgammon with the elder of your village until your capitan will call you for your specific duty.

[Petros Houhoulis]

You are an idiot Houhoulis. And because you are an idiot, your posts are totally stupid. Go paly baclgamon with the elder of your village until your capitan will call you for your specific duty.

What is baclgamon Koko?

Again problems with orthography?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/02/23/003417C600000190-3621968-image-a-11_1464907360939.jpg

[Herr Abubu]

Shit... this place has turned into the Youtube comments section...