Classify Lorenzo Cherubini (Jovanotti)

[Gamera]

http://i.imgur.com/ebmPLME.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0OenfST.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/n7KwRcI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/l2DKC5d.jpg

[aherne]

Obviously not a simple classification. He looks like a mixture of Italic and Etruscan.

[Libertas]

Obviously not a simple classification. He looks like a mixture of Italic and Etruscan.

Please explain.

[Herder]

Alpine + Med


Obviously not a simple classification. He looks like a mixture of Italic and Etruscan.

I heard Etruscans were Aryans.

[Ugo Tognazzi]

real name Lorenzo Cherubini

very Tall (unnoficial height on web sources quote 1.90 cm)
Leptosomic ''Cro Magnoid''/Alpinoid

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0a4lbYRhpQs/0.jpg

[aherne]

Please explain.

Italic elements: light skin, light eyes, light brown hair, Subnordid.
http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/Images/109images/Roman/augustus/augustus_prima_head.jpg

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Etruscan elements: convex nose, refined Alpo-Mediterrannean
http://faculty.evansville.edu/rl29/art105/img/etruscan_cerveteri.jpg

[Foxy]

Obviously not a simple classification. He looks like a mixture of Italic and Etruscan.

I heard Etruscans were Aryans.

Etruscans spoke an indo-european language of the aryan stock but brought R1b so they were Western Europeans. Recent theories see them as indigenous of Italy.
http://www.learnitaly.com/etruschi.htm

The question is still open.


Italic elements: light skin, light eyes, light brown hair, Subnordid.
http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/Images/109images/Roman/augustus/augustus_prima_head.jpg

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Etruscan elements: convex nose, refined Alpo-Mediterrannean
http://faculty.evansville.edu/rl29/art105/img/etruscan_cerveteri.jpg

This is the biggest crap I have heard til here.

In my opinion alpinid + atlanto

[Marino]

Very difficult. Predominantly Nordoid/ Atlanto-Nordoid with Cromagnoid (Borreby?) and maybe some Dinaroid too.

However, I can't see any Alpinid.

[aherne]

Etruscans spoke an indo-european language of the aryan stock but brought R1b so they were Western Europeans. Recent theories see them as indigenous of Italy.
http://www.learnitaly.com/etruschi.htm

^^ Sorry to tell you but THIS is the biggest crap. Etruscans were not Aryans ("Indo-Europeans"), they did not belong to R1b and they were NOT indigenous of Italy (but late migrants from Aegean):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_origins


A more recent study has suggested a Near Eastern origin.[16] The researchers conclude that their data, taken from the modern Tuscan population, 'support the scenario of a post-Neolithic genetic input from the Near East to the present-day population of Tuscany’.

Another study showed that the areas of historical Etruscan occupation share a relatively high concentration of y-haplogroup G with Anatolians, and the people of Caucasus, where the haplogroup reaches its greatest presence, particularly amongst the Ossetians and Georgians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language#Classification


The majority consensus is that Etruscan is related only to other members of what is called the Tyrsenian language family which in itself is an isolate family, that is, unrelated to other language groups by any known relationship (see Language isolate). Since Rix (1998) it is widely accepted that Tyrsenian is composed of Rhaetic and Lemnian together with Etruscan.
Another possible Aegean language related to Etruscan is Minoan. The idea of a relation between the language of the Aegean Linear scripts was taken into consideration as the main hypothesis by Michael Ventris before discovering that in fact the language behind the more modern Linear B script was Mycenean, a Greek dialect. Facchetti, a researcher who has dealt with both languages (Etruscan and Minoan) has put forward again this hypothesis, comparing some of the Minoan words of known meaning with some similar Etruscan words [6]

[Foxy]

^^ Sorry to tell you but THIS is the biggest crap. Etruscans were not Aryans ("Indo-Europeans"), they did not belong to R1b and they were NOT indigenous of Italy (but late migrants from Aegean):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_origins

Mmm, Tuscany today is one of the regions with most R1b of Italy. I dunno if old Etruscans have been genetically delated or reduced to a very low number. Their origin is not proved yet.
About Etruscan language, it is an agglutinant language (in this field it shares something with the other finno-ugric languages).
Some linguistics connect Etruscan with an Anatolian indo-European language, in particular with the Iuvio, similar to the language of Hittites; other with the Retic language. The fact that some inscriptions were found in Eastern Mediterraneum doesn't mean that Etruscans were from there, becouse they were mostly merchants and it is possible that they had trades or colonies there.
The haplogroup G in Europe is connected with the invasion of the Scithyan tribes, although the haplogroup was originary from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, but also from Caucasus. Anyway it is not so common in Tuscany.
Actually it is not common in Italy at all. This should confirm that it is not indigenous and was brought in Italy from the Black Sea.

G

http://ask.inwiki.org/images/thumb/1/17/Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA).jpg/700px-Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA).jpg

vs

R1b

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/d/da/R1bItalia.png

[Mordid]

http://blogs.rtve.es/blogfiles/lamadriguera/Jovanotti.jpg

Look very Celtic here.

[aherne]

Mmm, Tuscany today is one of the regions with most R1b of Italy. I dunno if old Etruscans have been genetically delated or reduced to a very low number. Their origin is not proved yet.
About Etruscan language, it is an agglutinant language (in this field it shares something with the other finno-ugric languages).
Some linguistics connect Etruscan with an Anatolian indo-European language, in particular with the Iuvio, similar to the language of Hittites; other with the Retic language. The fact that some inscriptions were found in Eastern Mediterraneum doesn't mean that Etruscans were from there, becouse they were mostly merchants and it is possible that they had trades or colonies there.
The haplogroup G in Europe is connected with the invasion of the Scithyan tribes, although the haplogroup was originary from India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, but also from Caucasus. Anyway it is not so common in Tuscany.
Actually it is not common in Italy at all. This should confirm that it is not indigenous and was brought in Italy from the Black Sea.

G

http://ask.inwiki.org/images/thumb/1/17/Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA).jpg/700px-Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA).jpg

vs

R1b

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/d/da/R1bItalia.png

First of all, we must draw distinction between migrants who conquered Umbrians settled in Tuscany (Villanovans) and the ethnic mix that followed. Once established, racial mixture produced lots of people that diverged from an otherwise East-Mediterranean racial makeup. The example I've given was a purely Etruscan phenotype, but Italic typologies (such as Augustus' were very common too, if not outright dominant in certain regions).

Your map shows lombardy and S Tirol as R1b areas, while Tuscany is an intermediate region. This proves nothing of ancient Etruscans: direct genetic evidence makes it clear that they had a very significant Anatolian component.

Here is a more accurate image of Etruscans' true racial makeup (done by Etruscans themselves, so unlikely to be biased):
http://www.maravot.com/Etruscan_people.jpg

Obviously a very mixed people with both Anatolian and Umbrian (Italic) components.

Since Italics were born in Central Europe by mixture of Beaker folk and Aryans, it is absolutely unsurprising they looked the same as Celts and held the same genetics. Jovanotti can definitely pass as Celtic, were it not his Etruscan component which makes him a very typical Italian.

[Herder]

I think Etruscans come from Anatolia. I read Etruscans were J2. Is this true? I didn't see the proof for this and can't believe everything I read! Etruscan books were burnt so they are mysterious!

Haplogroup G2a came with the LBK. 2 Bavarian knights, and King Louis XVI had it. The 4 other Bavarian warriors had R1b too.

[safinator]

North Atlantid + CM

[Ianus]

Nordic+Med/Nordic

[Moonbird]

North Atlantid with a Norid influence.

[tEhSaint]

N. Atlantid with Cromagnoid influences.

[Smeagol]

Italic + Etruscan.

[Sikeliot]

Norid.

[Sharkeatpeople]

Atlantic+CM

[Mark]

Atlanto-Norid/noric + CM.

[mr. logan]

Subnordic slav with some semitic.

[Germaniac]

Atlanto-med/Atlantid+Noric and CM

[Cail]

This thread is a proof that "taxonomy" is a very arbitrary pseudo-science.

[oh-nahhh]

Atlantid.

[Kalimtari]

very Central Euro looking

[special]

check out "Valentino Rossi"

[Oddone]

Atlanto-Norid/noric + CM.

More appropriate classification.


http://z3.ifrm.com/67/29/0/p457679/jovanotti_14_large.jpg