Pole and Czech - two brothers - separated since 500 years...

[Rethel]

What connects us:

- The same flag.
- Common origin.
- Two legendary brothers Lech and Czech - founders of both nations.
- Many common rulers: Krak, Bolesław I (IV) the Brave, Więcław II and III, plus titular Wratysław.
- Very titular: Henry Karyncki, Rudolf Habsburg, and Sigismund Luxemburg and proposed like Jagiełło and his grandson the real king;
- Common Herrenfolk, coats of arms and noble clans.
- Poland was a refuge for Czechs since X to at least XVII centuries.
- Common orthography at least medieval.
- Common origin of literature.
- Many dynastical intermarriages.
- Almost the same language.
- The same Austrian enemy - not only Hitler, and common name for it: Rakusy.
- The same neighbourhood.
- Common Great Morava.
- Common Silesia and Mahnolia.

So why Czechians are making some problems in our relations?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/68/de/a4/68dea4a7d1ce5ae02681f3c980134699.jpg

[Rethel]

Even producers of historical games know this:

http://lfsw.vdl.pl/5thdesign/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/rozbicie_mapa.jpg

[Magnolia]

We were never together. Czech and Lech is Polish legent, nothing more.


- The same flag. NOT TRUE

- Common origin. NOT TRUE - ONE BIG LIE

- Two legendary brothers Lech and Czech - founders of both nations. A POLISH LEGEND

- Many common rulers: Krak, Bolesław I (IV) the Brave, Więcław II and III, plus titular Wratysław. DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME RULERS

Very titular: Henry Karyncki, Rudolf Habsburg, and Sigismund Luxemburg and proposed like Jagiełło and his grandson the real king; DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME RULERS

Common Herrenfolk, coats of arms and noble clans. DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME NOBLE CLANS, NO POLISH NOBLE CLAN WAS ACTIVE IN CZECHLANDS

- Poland was a refuge for Czechs since X to at least XVII centuries. AS WELL AS THE WHOLE WORLD

- Common orthography at least medieval.A PROTO-SLAVIC LANGUAGE THING

- Common origin of literature. NONSENSE

- Many dynastical intermarriages. ALMOST NO CZECH RULER WAS MARRIED TO A POLISH WHATEVER (MOST OF THEM WERE OF GERMANIC ORIGIN), BUT MANY POLISH RULERS WERE MARRIED TO UKRAINIANS

- Almost the same language. NONSENSE, A PROTO-SLAVIC LANGUAGE THING

- The same Austrian enemy - not only Hitler, and common name for it: Rakusy. AUSTRIANS ARE/WERENT OUR ENEMIES; HITLER WAS BUT HE WAS AN ALAY WITH POLES

- The same neighbourhood. LOOK AT THE MAP

- Common Great Morava. ONLY PART OF POLAND WERE OCCUPIED BY GREAT MORAVIA

- Common Silesia and Mahnolia. THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE CZECH SILESIA AND POLISH SILESIA

So why Czechians are making some problems in our relations? NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CZECHS AND POLES EXISTS

[Rethel]

We were never together. Czech and Lech is Polish legent, nothing more.

Yet written in bohemian chronicles...

[Magnolia]

Yet written in bohemian chronicles...

it is taken from Polish chronicles.

[Rethel]

it is taken from Polish chronicles.

Doesn't matter. They confirmed it. It can be said similarly, that we took
it from hungarian chronicle - but it has no sense and doesn't change the
fact that the legend is alive and plays important role in a culture, schools
and our relations, indentity and thinking. Btw, why are you focusing only
on the legend, when I did point many other factors - among this many
historical, real factors, which influenced both countries.

A! I forgot about Polish-Czechoslovakian Confederation from XXth century! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_confederation)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_confederation.png

[Magnolia]

Doesn't matter. They confirmed it. It can be said similarly, that we took
it from hungarian chronicle - but it has no sense and doesn't change the
fact that the legedend is alive and plays important role in culture, schools
and our relations. Btw, why are you focused only on the legend, when I did
point many other factors - among this many historical, real factors.

No similarities - taken from POLISH-Hungarian chronicle.
That legend is alive in Poland, not here, no one cares.
Btw. Austrians are not our enemies.
Great Moravia was a Moravian empire - you were occupied, it lasted only 70 years. It is nothing.

[ЛыSSый]

We were never together. Czech and Lech is Polish legent, nothing more.

Why does magnolia always forget about big brother Rus? And legend is rather important argument, because legitimacy of modern day cz.rp. is totally based on another legend - about st. Waclaw.

[Rethel]

Why does magnolia always forget about big brother Rus? And legend is rather important argument, because legitimacy of modern day cz.rp. is totally based on another legend - about st. Waclaw.

Rus, if something, was added later, and was about Galicia-Ruthenia rather than all Ruś.

[ЛыSSый]

Rus, if something, was added later, and was about Galicia-Ruthenia rather than all Ruś.

little bro, i know you're butthurt about your big brothers, but lrt you stop try to rewtite history in such stupied way - i feel shame for you.

[Magnolia]

Rus in not mentioned by Poles, because Poles dont want to have nothing in common with Russia.

[wvwvw]

Rus in not mentioned by Poles, because Poles dont want to have nothing in common with Russia.

Most Slavs don't want to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe either..for obvious reasons.

[Peterski]

Rus in not mentioned by Poles, because Poles dont want to have nothing in common with Russia.

He is actually mentioned. I learned the version with Rus at school.

Rethel is Mazovian. Mazovians were long oppressed by Russians, so they don't like Russians. In my region we have nothing against Russians, and we learn the version with Rus.

You see, Rethel is from Warszawa area and I'm from Poznań area:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218770-Subdivisions-of-Polish-people

https://www.igipz.pan.pl/tl_files/igipz/ZGWiRL/APW/Rozdzial5/5.1.8.Przebieg_granic.png

[Rethel]

Russians are a great nation, much more accomplished than Czechs.

He is actually mentioned. I learned the version with Rus at school.

Rethel is Mazovian. Mazovians were long oppressed by Russians, so they don't like Russians. In my region we have nothing against Russians, and we learn the version with Rus.

You see, Rethel is from Warszawa area and I'm from Poznań area:

But czech version is without Rus.

Didn't you have at five class long czytanki about
"Praojciec Czech" from "Pradawne Podania Czeskie"?

[Magnolia]

I meant Rus wasnt mentioned by Poles on TA, and it was true.
We are neither brothers with Poles nor with Russians - it is Polish nonsense not ours.

[Ülev]

Поляки и Русские вместе / Poles and Russians together


https://youtu.be/FpJL1FcckBA


lol

[Ülev]

"zrada"!


https://youtu.be/mg06m8xvDUI

[JohnSmith]

How similar are the languages.

[Dandelion]

How similar are the languages.

Poles can get the gist of the lyrics when they hear Jožin z bažin, but still quite different languages.

[Magnolia]

language means nothing.

[Dandelion]

He is actually mentioned. I learned the version with Rus at school.

Rethel is Mazovian. Mazovians were long oppressed by Russians, so they don't like Russians. In my region we have nothing against Russians, and we learn the version with Rus.

You see, Rethel is from Warszawa area and I'm from Poznań area:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218770-Subdivisions-of-Polish-people

https://www.igipz.pan.pl/tl_files/igipz/ZGWiRL/APW/Rozdzial5/5.1.8.Przebieg_granic.png

And where you are from they are less keen on Germans, the reverse situation of Rethel's. ;)

[Rethel]

language means nothing.

Yea, much more important is the fact, that Lech was a brother of Czech :)

[Cristiano viejo]

Why this obsession with being Czech or wanting to be related with them?

[Rethel]

Why this obsession with being Czech or wanting to be related with them?

:picard2:

[Cristiano viejo]

:picard2:

What is wrong with my question? clarify a bit the panorama, man.

[Rethel]

What is wrong with my question? clarify a bit the panorama, man.

Noone wants to be here a Czech.

[Cristiano viejo]

Noone wants to be here a Czech.

you claimed both of you are bros, that means Poles are Czech and Czech are Poles, true?

[Rethel]

you claimed both of you are bros, that means Poles are Czech and Czech are Poles, true?

No. Are you your own brother? :picard2:

[Cristiano viejo]

No. Are you your own brother? :picard2:

Review the title of the thread... it was written for yourself, damn

[Rethel]

Review the title of the thread... it was written for yourself, damn

How for me, if I and Mahnölchen are both Germans?

[Magnolia]

Noone wants to be here a Czech.
Rethel come on - you want to be a relative with us, despite you are not, evidently you wanted to be close to us even in the Middle Ages, it is not normal.
Every idiot knows there were many Slavic tribes - Czechlands were settled during several centuries. There wasnt a fabulous leader Czech who came with a tribe. It is nonsense.
During the history there is no proximity between Czechs and Poles. I dont understand you...

And no, I am not German. I am Czech.

[Rethel]

Rethel come on - you want to be a relative with us, despite you are not, evidently you wanted to be close to us even in the Middle Ages, it is not normal.

It is not I want to be, or "even in the MA" - but it is a fact.
Since you got under influence of Rakusko, our ties are lost
(as well as czechness herself until it revival in 19th century,
when a lot of stuff was taken from Poland).

bufor XVIth century both states were close, have many similarities,
were ruled by the same morarchs, and the noble estate was consist
with the same families and clans.


There wasnt a fabulous leader Czech who came with a tribe. It is nonsense.

It doesn;t matter, becouse he lives in the awarness of people.
Do you know the term culture? Are you familiar what it means?


During the history there is no proximity between Czechs and Poles. I dont understand you...

So learn the history.


And no, I am not German. I am Czech.

Ja, ja kleine bömishe Schwester :laugh:
If you want be so strickt, then you are not Czechess either, but a Doudlebess = bohemian Ukress :laugh:

[Cristiano viejo]

How for me, if I and Mahnölchen are both Germans?
ok Bavarian boy.

[Rethel]

ok Bavarian boy.

Probably more Swabian, but I am not sure :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKRgY7hf5w

[Cristiano viejo]

Probably more Swabian, but I am not sure :)

How is possible that you believe you are German and you dont know the exact origin??

[Rethel]

How is possible that you believe you are German and you dont know the exact origin??

Becasue my forefather is remebered as a German, and my family mostly
lives on the border between Swabia and Bayern - so hard to say, which
land was the right one - especially that such situation was allready in a
XVth century when others allready were wandering across Europe. But I
also suspect them, that they could came there from Italy - but it would
have to be at least the XIII century if not earlier, so, it is hard to prove.
Maybe one day I will try to check this hypothesy by Y-test. We'll see.

[Magnolia]

"bufor XVIth century both states were close, have many similarities,
were ruled by the same morarchs, and the noble estate was consist
with the same families and clans. "

Not true. Czech rulers:

Princes of Great Moravia
Further information: Great Moravia
Mojmír I (c.830–846)
Rastislav (846–870)
Slavomír (871) (interim)
Svatopluk I (871–894)
Mojmír II (894–906?)

Dukes of Bohemia (c. 870 – 1198)
Bořivoj I c. 870–888/9
Spytihněv I 894–915 Son of Bořivoj I.
Vratislaus I 915–921 Brother of Spytihněv I.
Wenceslaus I921–935 Son of Vratislaus I; known as St. Wenceslaus ("Good King Wenceslas" for English speaking people), the patron saint of the Czech lands
Boleslaus I the Cruel935–972 Brother of Wenceslaus I.
Boleslaus II the Pious 972–999 Son of Boleslaus I.
Bolesław III Rudy.jpg
Boleslaus III the Redhead
(Boleslav III. Ryšavý) 999–1002 Son of Boleslaus II.
Vladivoj 1002–1003 Of the Piast dynasty (?). Said to be first cousin of Boleslav III. Polish name Władywoj
Boleslaus III 1003 Second time
Boleslaus the Brave 1003–1004 Member of the Piast dynasty; brother of Vladivoj (?), grandson of Boleslaus I. Duke and later king of Poland
Jaromír 1004–1012 Brother of Boleslaus III.
Oldřich 1012–1033 Brother of Jaromír
Jaromír 1033–1034 Second time
Oldřich 1034 Second time
Bretislaus I (Břetislav I.) 1034–1055 Son of Oldřich
Spytihněv II 1055–1061 Son of Bretislaus I.
Vratislaus II 1061–1092 Brother of Spytihněv II. King 1085–1092 as Vratislaus I.
Conrad I 1092 Brother of Vratislavus II.
Bretislaus II1092–1100 Nephew of Conrad I, son of Vratislav II.
Bořivoj II 1101–1107 Brother of Bretislaus II.
Svatopluk 1107–1109 First cousin of Bořivoj II.
Vladislaus I (Vladislav I.) 1109–1117 Brother of Bořivoj II.
Bořivoj II 1117–1120 Second time
Vladislaus I 1120–1125 Second time
Soběslav I 1125–1140 Brother of Vladislaus I.
Vladislaus II 1140–1172 Nephew of Sobeslaus I, son of Duke Vladislaus I. King 1158–1172 as Vladislaus I.
Frederick (Bedřich) 1172–1173 Son of Vladislaus II.
Soběslav II 1173–1178 First cousin once removed of Frederick, Son of Sobeslaus I.
Frederick 1178–1189 Second time
Conrad II Otto 1189–1191 Descendant of Conrad I.
Wenceslaus II 1191–1192 Brother of Sobeslaus II.
Ottokar I (Přemysl I. Otakar) 1192–1193 Son of Vladislaus II.
Henry Bretislaus 1193–1197 First cousin of Ottokar I.
Vladislaus Henry 1197 Brother of Ottokar I.
Ottokar I 1197–1198 Second time. Became king in 1198, and his descendants retained the title.

Kings of Bohemia (1085–1092, 1158–1172, 1198–1918)
House of Přemyslid
Image Name Date Notes

Vratislaus II 1085–1092 First King of Bohemia as of 15 June 1085. He ruled as Vratislaus I. under non-hereditary royal title.
Vladislaus II 1158–1172 Nephew of Sobeslaus I, son of Duke Vladislaus I. King 1158–1172 as Vladislaus I. Father of king Ottokar I
Ottokar I 1198–1230 First king of hereditary royal title confirmed by Frederick II, Holy Roman Emperor in 1212 by issuing Golden Bull of Sicily
Wenceslaus I 1230–1253 Son of Ottokar I.
Ottokar II Premysl.jpg 1253–1278 Son of Wenceslaus I. Also Duke of Austria, Duke of Styria, Duke of Carinthia and Duke of Carniola.
Wenceslaus II 278–1305 Son of Ottokar II. Also Duke of Kraków (from 1291) and King of Poland (1300–1305).
Wenceslaus III 1305–1306 Son of Wenceslaus II. Uncrowned (as Bohemian king). Also King of Hungary and King of Poland.

Non-Dynastic
Henry the Carinthian1306 Meinhardiner. Son-in-law of Wenceslaus II. Non-crowned.
Rudolf Stepan.jpg
1306–1307 Habsburg. Second husband of Elisabeth Richeza of Poland, widow of Wenceslaus II. Non-crowned.
Henry the Carinthian 1307–1310 Second time

House of Luxembourg
John the Blind
(Jan Lucemburský) 1310–1346 Son-in-law of Wenceslaus II.
Charles IV 1346–1378 Son of John. Also Holy Roman Emperor as Charles IV.
VaclavIV.jpg 1378–1419 Son of Charles IV. Also King of the Romans until 1400.
Sigismundm 1419–1437 Brother of Wenceslaus IV. Ruled effective 1436–1437 only (because of the Hussite Revolution). Also Holy Roman Emperor and King of Hungary.

House of Habsburg
Albrecht II. von Habsburg.jpg 1437–1439 Son-in-law of Sigismund. Also King of the Romans and of Hungary.
Interregnum 1440–1453 The succession of Albert's son was not recognized by the Czech nobility for the most of this era; the land was administered by the Landfrieden (provincial & territorial).
Ladislaus the Posthumous1453–1457 Son of Albert born after his father's death. Also King of Hungary.

Non-Dynastic
George of Podebrady 1457–1471 Elected king from the Czech noble family House of Kunštát. Although he had descendants, the succession devolved to the prince from Polish kingdom.
Matthias Corvinus 1469–1490 King of Hungary, elected by the insurgent Catholic Czech aristocrats as anti-king in 1469, but never crowned. In 1479, he agreed to limit his rule to Moravia, Silesia, and Lusatia, while retaining his title.

House of Jagiellon
Vladislaus II the Jagiellonian 1471–1516 Nephew of Ladislaus the Posthumous; elected on request of his predecessor George. Also King of Hungary after 1490.
Louis the Jagiellonian 1516–1526 Son of Vladislaus II. Also King of Hungary.

House of Habsburg

Ferdinand I 1526–1564 Brother-in-law of Louis; elected king. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor-elect from 1558.
Maximilian I1564–1576 Son of Ferdinand I, grandson of Vladislaus II. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor.
Rudolph II 1576–1611 Son of Maximilian I. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor.
Mathias 1611–1619 Brother of Rudolph II. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor.
Ferdinand II 1619–1637 Cousin of Matthias. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor.

House of Wittelsbach
Frederick I 1619–1620 Member of the House of Wittelsbach. Elected by the Crown's Estates at the beginning of the Thirty Years' War but after the lost Battle of White Mountain he fled the country.

House of Habsburg
Ferdinand III 1637–1657 Son of Ferdinand II. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor.From this time on, Bohemia no longer has an Elective Monarchy, with the Habsburgs having imposed their exclusive rule at the Battle of the White Mountain.
Ferdinand IV 1646–1654 Son of Ferdinand III. Junior co-monarch during his father's reign. Also King of Hungary and King of the Romans.
Leopold I 1657–1705 Brother of Ferdinand IV. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor.
Joseph I 1705–1711 Son of Leopold I. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor.
Charles II 1711–1740 Brother of Joseph I. Also King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor as Charles VI.
Charles Albert1741–1743 Member of the House of Wittelsbach. Son-in-law of Joseph I. Anti-king to Maria Theresa during the War of the Austrian Succession. Also Holy Roman Emperor as Charles VII.
Maria Theresa 1740–1780 Daughter of Charles II. Also Queen of Hungary.

House of Habsburg-Lorraine
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Poland:
Semi-legendary rulers of the western Polans (Greater Poland)[edit]
Leszko I 7th / 8th centuries 7th / 8th centuries 7th[5] / 8th centuries
Leszko II 8th century 8th century 8th century
Leszek III8th century 8th century 8th century
Popiel I 8th century 8th century 8th century
Popiel II9th century 9th century 9th century

Piast Dynasty (Dukes of the Polans) 9th century 9th century 9th century A legendary ruler of the Polans Son of Chościsko, father of Siemowit
Siemowit 9th century 9th century 9th century Son of Piast the Wheelwright and Rzepicha Piast
Lestek 9th / 10th centuries 9th / 10th centuries 9th / 10th centuries Son of Siemowit Piast
Siemomysł century 10th century 10th century Son of Lestek Piast

Kingdom of Poland, 966–1569[edit]
Mieszko I of Polandca. 940 – 25 May 992 ca. 960 992 Son of Siemomysł First Christian Polish monarch
Bolesław I the Brave King of Poland 967 – 17 June 1025 Son of Mieszko I and Dobrawa of Bohemia
Mieszko II Lambert ca. 990 – 10/11 May 1034 1025 1031 Son of Bolesław I and Emnilda of Lusatia
Bezprym ca. 986–1032 1031 1032 Son of Bolesław I and Judith of Hungary
Otto Bolesławowic 1000–1033 1032 1032 Son of Bolesław I and Emnilda
Dytryk after 992 – after 1032 1032 1032 /1033 Grandson of Mieszko I and Oda of Haldensleben Piast
Mieszko II Lambert ca. 990 – 10/11 May 1034 1032 1034 Restored
Bolesław the Forgotten before 1016 – 1038 or 1039 1034 1038 /1039 Semi-legendary, existence disputed
Casimir I the Restorer 25 June 1016 – 28 November 1058 (aged 42) 1039 1058 Son of Mieszko II and Richeza of Lotharingia
Bolesław II the Generous ca. 1041 or 1042 – 2 or 3 April 1081 or 1082
Władysław I Herman ca. 1044 – 4 June 1102 Son of Kazimierz I and Maria Dobroniega of Kiev
Zbigniew ca. 1073 – 8 July 1113 1102 1107 Son of Władysław I and Przecława of Prawdzic coat of arms (disputed) First jointly with Władysław I 1098-1102
Bolesław III Krzywousty 20 August 1086 – 28 October 1138 (aged 52) 1107 1138 Son of Władysław I and Judith of Bohemia

Fragmentation of the Kingdom of Poland, 1138–1314
Władysław II the Exile 1105 – 30 May 1159 Son of Bolesław III and Zbyslava of Kiev
Bolesław IV the Curly ca. 1125 – 5 January 1173 Son of Bolesław III and Salomea of Berg
Mieszko III the Old ca. 1127 – 13 March 1202 Son of Bolesław III and Salomea
Casimir II the Just ca. 1138 – 5 May 1194 Son of Bolesław III and Salomea
Mieszko III the Old ca. 1127 – 13 March 1202
Casimir II the Just ca. 1138 – 5 May 1194
Leszek I the White ca. 1186 – 24 November 1227
Mieszko III the Old ca. 1127 – 13 March 1202
Leszek I the White ca. 1186 – 24 November 1227
Mieszko III the Old ca. 1127 – 13 March 1202
Władysław III Spindleshanks ca. 1161/66 – 3 November 1231 Son of Mieszko III and Eudoxia of Kiev
Leszek I the White ca. 1186 – 24 November 1227
Mieszko IV Tanglefoot ca. 1130 – 16 May 1211 Son of Władysław II and Agnes of Babenberg
Leszek I the White ca. 1186 – 24 November 1227
Henryk I the Bearded ca. 1165 – 19 March 1238 Grandson of Władysław II, son of Bolesław I the Tall and Krystyna
Leszek I the White ca. 1186 – 24 November 1227
Władysław III Spindleshanks ca. 1161/66 – 3 November 1231
Konrad I of Masovia ca. 1187/88 – 31 August 1247 Son of Kazimierz II and Helen of Znojmo
Henryk I the Bearded ca. 1165 – 19 March 1238 Son of Henry I and Saint Hedwig of Andechs
Bolesław II the Horned ca. 1220–1225 Son of Henry II and Anne of Bohemia
Konrad I of Masovia ca. 1187/88 – 31 August 1247
Bolesław V 21 June 1226 – 7 December 1279 the Chaste Son of Leszek the White and Grzymislawa of Luck
Leszek II the Black ca. 1241 – 30 September 1288 Paternal grandson of Konrad I of Masovia Maternal grandson of Henry II
Bolesław II of Masovia ca. 1251 – 20 April 1313 Grandson of Konrad I of Masovia
Henryk IV Probus ca. 1257/58 – 23 June 1290 Paternal grandson of Henryk II Maternal grandson of Konrad I Son of Henry III the White and Judyta of Masovia
Bolesław II of Masovia ca. 1251 – 20 April 1313
Władysław I the Elbow-high 1261 – 2 March 1333 Grandson of Konrad I of Masovia Son of Kazimierz I of Kujawia and Euphrosyne of Opole
Henryk IV Probus ca. 1257/58 – 23 June 1290

Reunification attempts in the Kingdom of Poland 1232–1305
Przemysł II 14 October 1257 – 8 February 1296 (aged 38) Grandson of Henryk II Son of Przemysł I and Elisabeth of Wrocław
Wenceslaus II of Bohemia 27 September 1271 – 21 June 1305 (aged 33) Son of Ottokar II of Bohemia and Kunigunda
Wenceslaus III of Bohemia 6 October 1289 – 4 August 1306 (aged 16) Son of Wenceslaus II and Judith of Habsburg

Reunited Kingdom of Poland, 1314–1569
Władysław I the Elbow-high 1261 – 2 March 1333
Casimir III the Great 30 April 1310 – 5 November 1370 (aged 60) Son of Władysław I the Elbow-high and Jadwiga of Kalisz

Anjou kings
Louis I of Hungary 5 March 1326 – 10 September 1382 (aged 56) Son of Charles I of Hungary and Elizabeth of Poland
Jadwiga of Poland 1373/4 – 17 July 1399 Daughter of Louis I and Elizabeth of Bosnia

Jagiellonian kings
Władysław II Jagiełło ca. 1351/1362 – 1 June 1434 Son of Algirdas of Lithuania and Uliana of Tver
Władysław III of Poland 31 October 1424 – 10 November 1444 (aged 20) Son of Władysław II Jagiełło and Sophia of Halshany
Casimir IV Jagiellon 30 November 1427 - 7 June 1492 (aged 64) Son of Władysław II and Sophia of Halshany
John I Albert 27 December 1459 – 17 June 1501 (aged 41) Son of Casimir IV and Elisabeth of Austria
Alexander I Jagiellon 5 August 1461 – 19 August 1506 (aged 45) Son of Casimir IV and Elisabeth of Austria
Sigismund I the Old January 1467 – 1 April 1548 (aged 81) Son of Casimir IV and Elisabeth of Austria
Sigismund II Augustus 1 August 1520 – 7 July 1572 Son of Sigismund I and Bona Sforza

Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, 1569–1795
Henry de Valois 19 September 1551 – 2 August 1589 (aged 37) Son of Henry II of France and Catherine de' Medici
Anna 18 October 1523 – 9 September 1596 (aged 72) Daughter of Sigismund I and Bona Sforza
Stephen Báthory 27 September 1533 – 12 December 1586 Son of Stephen VIII Báthory and Catherine Telegdi
Sigismund III 20 June 1566 – 30 April 1632 Grandson of Sigismund I Son of John III of Sweden and Catherine Jagiellon
Władysław IV 9 June 1595 – 20 May 1648 (aged 52) Son of Sigismund III and Anne of Austria
John II Casimir 22 March 1609 – 16 December 1672 (aged 63) Son of Sigismund III and Constance of Austria
Michael I May 31, 1640 – November 10, Son of a successful but controversial military commander, Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, and Gryzelda Konstancja Zamoyska


Where is our common history?
What we share together?


The one who should learn the history is you.

[Dick]

Maybe one day I will try to check this hypothesy by Y-test. We'll see.

I thought you already did a y-test?

[Magnolia]

"It doesn;t matter, becouse he lives in the awarness of people.
Do you know the term culture? Are you familiar what it means?"
in heads of Poles...

"Ja, ja kleine bömishe Schwester
If you want be so strickt, then you are not Czechess either, but a Doudlebess = bohemian Ukress"
i said you like it was with colonization of south bohemia - and when the legend wi doudlebové was stared to be used...

[Peterski]

How is possible that you believe you are German and you dont know the exact origin??

His surname is of German origin but he is R1a-M458. My surname is of Slavic origin but I'm R1b-DF27.

[Magnolia]

you look like John Paul II, a very unPolish face, really.

[Dick]

you look like John Paul II, a very unPolish face, really.

Who? John paul II looks like a typical round faced pollack imo.

[Magnolia]

Who? John paul II looks like a typical round faced pollack imo.

litvin

[Dick]

litvin

I thought you meant rethel, he has no chin. I've never seen litvin.

[Peterski]

These are the most Polish faces ever, all are my family:

http://i.imgur.com/p3HjmvW.png

As you can see none of us is ugly like typical Czechs.

So we have nothing in common with Czech people.

[Magnolia]

You are right, not ugly Czech faces I can see in the first sight.

[Peterski]

you look like John Paul II, a very unPolish face, really.

Every single Polish user on this forum looks "unPolish" according to you.

Because people on this forum have no idea how Polish people look like.

[Magnolia]

Every single Polish user on this forum looks "unPolish" according to you.

Because people on this forum have no idea how Polish people look like.

Have you ever heard about irony? John Paul II looks very Polish.

[Peterski]

According to Magnolia I can pass in Central Europe:

http://i.imgur.com/ZaHMMEv.png

But this is not true because I'm pred. East Nordic:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?211669-Very-simple-phenotype-oracle-)&p=4438304&viewfull=1#post4438304

How can pred. East Nordic pass in Central Europe?

East Nordic is typical for Eastern Europe only.

[Rethel]

Where is our common history?
What we share together?

I wrote it in the OP.

[Dick]

According to Magnolia I can pass in Central Europe:

http://i.imgur.com/ZaHMMEv.png

But this is not true because I'm pred. East Nordic:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?211669-Very-simple-phenotype-oracle-)&p=4438304&viewfull=1#post4438304

How can pred. East Nordic pass in Central Europe?

East Nordic is typical for Eastern Europe only.

You think that calc is accurate?

[Rethel]

I thought you already did a y-test?

I did, but I did not test any Italian.

[Rethel]

"It doesn;t matter, becouse he lives in the awarness of people.
Do you know the term culture? Are you familiar what it means?"
in heads of Poles...

"Ja, ja kleine bömishe Schwester
If you want be so strickt, then you are not Czechess either, but a Doudlebess = bohemian Ukress"
i said you like it was with colonization of south bohemia - and when the legend wi doudlebové was stared to be used...

:confused:

[Peterski]

According to Magnolia, Poles look like Slovaks or Hungarians:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218837-ANSWER-Poland-Where-can-they-pass-main-types&p=4593180&viewfull=1#post4593180

So apparently she has no idea how Poles really look like.

[Magnolia]

....

i said it many times, i just wanted to be nice to you.
I knew how all Poles are hurt when they are said the truth they look eastern... so i tried to be a diplomat. you look eastern, the same goes for all poles on ta i have seen.

but you can start a thread and ask people if you dont...

[Rethel]

My surname is of Slavic origin but I'm R1b-DF27.

And in addition from Posenland.
Poseners = Scots who were bannished even from Scotland becasue of their avarice. :laugh:

[Peterski]

You think that calc is accurate?

I guess so.

Mlukas also classified me based on Polish typology as Nordic or Nordic-leaning Sub-Nordic (depending on C.I. because I don't have calipers and without calipers you can't check exactly C.I.):

http://i.imgur.com/5k0Yzbx.png

[Rethel]

you look like John Paul II, a very unPolish face, really.

JP2 fits to the spectrum, especially when he was younger.

It is Litwin Peterski?

https://media.wplm.pl/pictures/825/upscale_True/path/wp/photo/2013-05/353/515/karol-wojtyla-szkola.jpg

[Magnolia]

According to Magnolia, Poles look like Slovaks or Hungarians:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218837-ANSWER-Poland-Where-can-they-pass-main-types&p=4593180&viewfull=1#post4593180

So apparently she has no idea how Poles really look like.

wrong i said some of them can pass as Slovaks and some of them look very Polish - but because they were very dark haired as a group i said hungarians.

[Rethel]

I thought you meant rethel, he has no chin. I've never seen litvin.

:picard2:

[Dick]

I guess so.

Mlukas also classified me based on Polish typology as Nordic or Nordic-leaning Sub-Nordic (depending on C.I. because I don't have calipers and without calipers you can't check exactly C.I.):

http://i.imgur.com/5k0Yzbx.png

interesting since everyone classified me the same as my calc results too.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?211669-Very-simple-phenotype-oracle-)&p=4446054&viewfull=1#post4446054

[Magnolia]

litvin - what is your point? nobody thought that group of people look western, 99% answers were Balkan people...

[Peterski]

you look eastern, the same goes for all poles on ta i have seen.

Of course. Artmar too. And Goobyski also looks very Eastern.

But people told him he something else. They just wanted to be "nice" like you.

Goobyski looks just like Dobrzyńscy from Mickiewicz's description.

I sent several Polish photos to Sikeliot and he also didn't guess them as Poles.

You anthrotards just have no idea how Eastern people look.

[Magnolia]

Of course. Artmar too. And Goobyski also looks very Eastern.

But people told him he something else. They just wanted to be "nice" like you.

He looks just like Dobrzyńscy from Mickiewicz's description.

I sent several Polish photos to Sikeliot and he also didn't guess them as Poles.

You anthrotards just have no idea how Eastern people look.

I dont know who is Artmar , Goobyski looks Eastern, as well as crazy Vandal (who is butthurt about it too), or sweet only normal Pole Bezprym.

[Peterski]

Artmar isn't active here anymore. Mlukas was also told by TA anthrotards that he doesn't look typically Polish but he classifies himself as Sub-Nordic, which is a common type in Poland.


99% answers were Balkan people...

Maybe not 99%, but yeah, a lot guessed Poles as Balkan people.

Which means that Poles are probably Illyrians (hahahahaha): :laugh:

The most interesting is comparing user's origin with user's answers:

http://i.imgur.com/fr1KJ31.png


or sweet only normal Pole Bezprym.

He wasn't very talkative, that's why he didn't annoy you as much as other Poles.

But yeah, I think Bezprym should be unbanned.

[Magnolia]

Poles are in general not so much dark haired. It had to be from a small region.
Bezprym is first of all smart and not a fanatic, it helps a lot.

Btw. half of my family is red haired... that red hair gen is extremely strong.
...
And I would never say they look neither Germanic, Celtic but nor Slavic, they look just Czech.
I dont know what is wrong with you Poles you have a problem to look Polish.

[Philip Latinowitz]

litvin - what is your point? nobody thought that group of people look western, 99% answers were Balkan people...

I know which thread you're refering to, but don't take cluess TA members seriously. That Polish kids were 0% Balkan or south slavic looking, if anything they resembled Ukrainians or Slovaks. Good deal of people here can't properly classify.

[Magnolia]

I know which thread you're refering to, but don't take cluess TA members seriously. That Polish kids were 0% Balkan or south slavic looking, if anything they resembled Ukrainians or Slovaks. Good deal of people here can't properly classify.

The dark hair was the problem. Faces looked Polish, but people were confused with hair.
In general they didnt look Slovak, only some of them. And Slovaks and Ukrainians dont look the same.
Ukrainians have they own features.
http://i67.tinypic.com/spzprc.jpg
That women is very Ukrainian looking. I would never guess her as anything else.

[Magnolia]

Btw.
1. i think that thread with dark haired poles were started by Litvin. It is not important
2. but Poles in general look like this, I guess nobody would have a problem to identify them:
http://www.zsmeie.torun.pl/glowna/wazne/w0809/w65/t12.jpg
http://www.zsmeie.torun.pl/glowna/absol/2009/ivd1.jpg
http://www.zsmeie.torun.pl/glowna/absol/2011/ivf5.jpg

[Peterski]

I know which thread you're refering to, but don't take cluess TA members seriously.
nobody thought that group of people look western

Russian and Ukrainian members said that they could not pass in Eastern Europe.

Eastern European members said that they looked more western (Central European). Western European members said that they looked eastern. Northern European members said that they looked southern. And Southern European members said that they looked more northern than their people.

So everyone saw them as something different than they are.

It was just hard to guess the exact location.


Btw. half of my family is red haired...

And my cousin is red haired as well (but not half of my family):

https://i.imgur.com/1p6r5HK.jpg

Not even in Scotland or Ireland half of people are red haired.

Can you post pictures of your red haired family members?

[Peterski]

I dont know what is wrong with you Poles you have a problem to look Polish.

No, I just have a problem when people think that only blonde Baltids look Polish.

Poland has a large variety of phenotypes and all of them look Polish.

Every Polish person looks Polish by definition. Not just blonde-haired Baltids.

[Magnolia]

..?
Women pictures are not count as Stears says and he is right. That's why I posted "men" from my family.

[Peterski]

Women pictures are not count as Stears says and he is right. That's why I posted "men" from my family.

She is natural redhead. Her sister has black hair like you.

There were also two redheads (one girl, one guy) in my high school class.

Generally in my region redheads are not uncommon.

[Magnolia]

She is natural redhead. Her sister has black hair like you.

There were also two redheads (one girl, one guy) in my high school class.

Generally in my region redheads are not uncommon.

I dont have black hair, I have middle brown hair. I dont understand why you are trying to compare my family with yours, or your region.
Are you trying to prove that Czechs are Poles again or what?

[Magnolia]

I wrote it in the OP.
It is ridiculous and mostly not true.

[Magnolia]

- The same flag. NOT TRUE

- Common origin. NOT TRUE - ONE BIG LIE

- Two legendary brothers Lech and Czech - founders of both nations. A POLISH LEGEND

- Many common rulers: Krak, Bolesław I (IV) the Brave, Więcław II and III, plus titular Wratysław. DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME RULERS

Very titular: Henry Karyncki, Rudolf Habsburg, and Sigismund Luxemburg and proposed like Jagiełło and his grandson the real king; DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME RULERS

Common Herrenfolk, coats of arms and noble clans. DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME NOBLE CLANS, NO POLISH NOBLE CLAN WAS ACTIVE IN CZECHLANDS

- Poland was a refuge for Czechs since X to at least XVII centuries. AS WELL AS THE WHOLE WORLD

- Common orthography at least medieval.A PROTO-SLAVIC LANGUAGE THING

- Common origin of literature. NONSENSE

- Many dynastical intermarriages. ALMOST NO CZECH RULER WAS MARRIED TO A POLISH WHATEVER (MOST OF THEM WERE OF GERMANIC ORIGIN), BUT MANY POLISH RULERS WERE MARRIED TO UKRAINIANS

- Almost the same language. NONSENSE, A PROTO-SLAVIC LANGUAGE THING

- The same Austrian enemy - not only Hitler, and common name for it: Rakusy. AUSTRIANS ARE/WERENT OUR ENEMIES; HITLER WAS BUT HE WAS AN ALAY WITH POLES

- The same neighbourhood. LOOK AT THE MAP

- Common Great Morava. ONLY A SMALL PART OF "POLAND" WAS OCCUPIED BY GREAT MORAVIA

- Common Silesia and Mahnolia. THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE CZECH SILESIA AND POLISH SILESIA

So why Czechians are making some problems in our relations? NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CZECHS AND POLES EXISTS

[Peterski]

ALMOST NO CZECH RULER WAS MARRIED TO A POLISH WHATEVER

Polish ruler Mieszko I married a Czech princess Doubravka:

http://www.rp.pl/Plus-Minus/304019875-Zapiski-Kpinomira-Zycie-erotyczne-Mieszka-I.html#ap-1

[Magnolia]

Btw. as for flag:
a white - red bicolor flag, the flag of Kingdom of Bohemia was used 1158 - 1918

a white - red bicolor flag, the "Polish" flag is originated from the year 1831

You have to ask yourself and other Poles why did you steel our flag.

[Peterski]

a white - red bicolor flag, the "Polish" flag is originated from the year 1831

No, we were always using white and red, since Piast dynasty times:

http://www.flagi-herby.com/flaga_herb_polska_historia_piastci.htm

http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/opinie/artykuly/489353,kustosz-mwp-jaroslaw-pych-polska-flaga-ma-korzenie-w-panstwie-piastow.html

[Magnolia]

No, we were always using white and red, since Piast dynasty times:

http://www.flagi-herby.com/flaga_herb_polska_historia_piastci.htm

http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/opinie/artykuly/489353,kustosz-mwp-jaroslaw-pych-polska-flaga-ma-korzenie-w-panstwie-piastow.html

You werent use that flag. If you wanted to use red and white - you didnt have to use it in the Bohemian version.

Btw. no need to mentioned we started to used that red-white combination 150 years before you started to use them in your Coat of arms.

[Peterski]

We used to have a flag which had three strips and was red-white-red:

https://dorzeczy.pl/kraj/28498/Polskie-barwy-narodowe-Pochodzenie-bialo-czerwonej-flagi.html

http://wiki.totalwar.com/images/6/67/Pol_large.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ReeON8ZXVSU/VUTK5X8xJkI/AAAAAAAADZk/wq-lufwKVzo/s1600/Flaga_Rzeczypospolitej_Obojga_Narodow_ogolna.svg.p ng

But these two colors red and white were always the colors of Poland.

[Dandelion]

Lech and Czech used to be brothers, but their descendants (Magnolia and Peterski) would grow to despise each other.

[Rethel]

We used to have a flag which had three strips and was red-white-red:

And here I see the great lack of we inclusive and exclusive in english :)


But these two colors red and white were always the colors of Poland.

Not necessarly.
For example in 1863 Poland had panslavic colours with blue.


Lech and Czech used to be brothers, but their descendants (Magnolia and Peterski) would grow to despise each other.

Machnölchen is descendent from Teuto/Tuisto, not from Czech. :p

[Magnolia]

We used to have a flag which had three strips and was red-white-red:

https://dorzeczy.pl/kraj/28498/Polskie-barwy-narodowe-Pochodzenie-bialo-czerwonej-flagi.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ReeON8ZXVSU/VUTK5X8xJkI/AAAAAAAADZk/wq-lufwKVzo/s1600/Flaga_Rzeczypospolitej_Obojga_Narodow_ogolna.svg.p ng

But these two colors red and white were always the colors of Poland.

Form which year is that "flag"? Btw. I can see 4colors there...


But these two colors red and white were always the colors of Poland.
No, in all sources I have read is written this
'White and red were officially adopted as national colors in 1831. They are of heraldic origin and derive from the tinctures (colors) of the coats of arms* of the two constituent nations of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, i.e. the White Eagle of Poland and the Pursuer of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, a white knight riding a white horse, both on a red shield.'

*
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Polish_Crown.svg/628px-Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Polish_Crown.svg.png
since 1295


Anyway - it is obvious you stole our flag. You didnt use it before the 19th century.

[Magnolia]

Lech and Czech used to be brothers, but their descendants (Magnolia and Peterski) would grow to despise each other.

No Czechs werent brothers with Poles. It is only their legend. The reason why they did it - I dont know that - but it has evidently the same reason - why they stole our flag.

[Rethel]

NOT TRUE

True: https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cesk%C3%A9_kr%C3%A1lovstv%C3%AD

Look at vlajkę. You do not know your own flag? :facepalm2:


. NOT TRUE - ONE BIG LIE

True, which is explain by Lech and Czech and Krak and similar stories.


A POLISH LEGEND

Look at Jirasek which is taught in schools and some ancient czechish chronicles.


DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME RULERS

Yes, but we shared them also.
I was pinted to things which were common for us.
Other states are irrelevant here.


DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME RULERS

As above.


DURING THE MIDDLE AGES MOST OF EUROPE SHARED THE SAME NOBLE CLANS,

Absolutly not true.


NO POLISH NOBLE CLAN WAS ACTIVE IN CZECHLANDS

Of course not polish, becasue they were common.
Some polish even originated in Czechland.
Like Vrszowcy for example. Ask Mikula.


AS WELL AS THE WHOLE WORLD

Nope. In pointed period you did run to us.


A PROTO-SLAVIC LANGUAGE THING

Nope, westslavic, and the only two languages having rz.


NONSENSE

Nope.
Many medieval czechich writings were adapted in Poland and vice versa.
Even alphabet you had almost the same as we today.


ALMOST NO CZECH RULER WAS MARRIED TO A POLISH WHATEVER (MOST OF THEM WERE OF GERMANIC ORIGIN), BUT MANY POLISH RULERS WERE MARRIED TO UKRAINIANS

https://media.tenor.com/images/824485c442ab55401d32d61d8e385c32/tenor.gif

Just first who comes to my mind is Wacław II and Ryksa Elizabeth from Peterski's region.


NONSENSE, A PROTO-SLAVIC LANGUAGE THING

As above plus: do you really belive that our orthography was developed in protoslavic times? :shocked:


AUSTRIANS ARE/WERENT OUR ENEMIES;

Not at all - they only denationalized you at all making from you peasants.


HITLER WAS BUT HE WAS AN ALAY WITH POLES

:picard2:


LOOK AT THE MAP

Not the same?


ONLY A SMALL PART OF "POLAND" WAS OCCUPIED BY GREAT MORAVIA

Whole souther modern Poland was a part of Morava.


THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE CZECH SILESIA AND POLISH SILESIA

Which are a part of one Silesia.
And czechs had once all silesia - as we, so is common.


NO RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CZECHS AND POLES EXISTS

Sure...

[Rethel]

Btw. as for flag:
a white - red bicolor flag, the flag of Kingdom of Bohemia was used 1158 - 1918

:picard2:

And for all czechoslovakia in first year of existence until Slovaks got hutthurted.
You present flag is NOT czech flag, but was remain as a sign over Slovaks domination/Moravians.

[Rethel]

Btw. no need to mentioned we started to used that red-white combination 150 years before you started to use them in your Coat of arms.

:picard2:

[Peterski]

"Czechs do not migrate": :picard1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poraj_coat_of_arms


The Poraj coat of arms is of Bohemian origin.

The name comes from the progenitor of the Polish clan Prince Poraj (Pořej), brother of Adalbert of Prague, son of the Bohemian Duke Slavník. According to a legend the sons of Duke Slavník bore the coat of arms of roses, each in a different color. Prince Poraj came to Poland with the procession of Dobrawa of Bohemia, the spouse of Mieszko I of Poland and settled down in Greater Poland.

http://www.wrzesnia.pl/strona-284-Historia_miasta.html


Pierwszymi właścicielami Wrześni i jej okolic byli Poraje-Różyce. Według tradycji rodowej Poraje to ród książąt czeskich Sławnikowiców, którego niedobitki po pogromie w Czechach w 995 r. schroniły się w Polsce wraz ze swoim krewnym, późniejszym św. Wojciechem. Od króla Bolesława Chrobrego otrzymali duże nadania ziemskie. Poraje byli właścicielami Wrześni do poł. XVI wieku.

http://www.wrzesnia.pl/uploads/large/62_1.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Hey Polacks, do you consider Slovaks also your brothers? just curious.

[Magnolia]

"Look at vlajkę. You do not know your own flag? :facepalm2:"
I know - but you evidently dont know the history of your flag. You stole us our flag.

"True, which is explain by Lech and Czech and Krak and similar stories. "
one big lie.


"Look at Jirasek which is taught in schools and some ancient czechish chronicles."
What Jirásek wrote in 1894 is not taught as much as you think; it is not taken like historical facts but like fairy tails.

"Yes, but we shared them also.
I was pinted to things which were common for us.
Other states are irrelevant here."
They are not irrelevant.
You cant forgot about half of Europe because you masturbate over Czechs.
Btw. our common history is only during few years in the Middle Ages, nothing more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y_1Z5YQw-c

"Some polish even originated in Czechland. "
BUT NOT VISE VERSA. You were backward it was easy for Czechs to sell you as slave or to use as slaves by our noble families.

"Nope, westslavic, and the only two languages having rz."
The basics is all the same. If you stole something from us, it is possible.

"Many medieval czechich writings were adapted in Poland and vice versa."
No polish author was adapted in Czechlands.

"Just first who comes to my mind is Wacław II and Ryksa Elizabeth from Peterski's region."
I said almost no...
It means there are maybe two of them; it means more wives of Czech rules were of eg French origin than of Polish.

"As above plus: do you really belive that our orthography was developed in protoslavic times?"
The basics are the same - and yes we developed it - you stole everything from us.

"Not at all - they only denationalized you at all making from you peasants."
Of course yes. We wanted Austro-Slavism not to lose Austria.

":picard2:"
I was right.

"Not the same?"
evidently not

"Whole souther modern Poland was a part of Morava."
How many years? Five? Do you think it was enough to make you civilised?

"And czechs had once all silesia - as we, so is common."
No, it is not common.

[Magnolia]

:picard2:

And for all czechoslovakia in first year of existence until Slovaks got hutthurted.
You present flag is NOT czech flag, but was remain as a sign over Slovaks domination/Moravians.

It had to be change because our flag was stolen by Poles.

[Rethel]

ierwszymi właścicielami Wrześni i jej okolic byli Poraje-Różyce.

You are done :laugh:


Hey Polacks, do you consider Slovaks also your brothers? just curious.

No, becasue they are us :laugh:

Eastern are almost pure Poles, and western more mix with Mahnolians :laugh:

[Magnolia]

You are done :laugh:



No, becasue they are us :laugh:

Eastern are almost pure Poles, and western more mix with Mahnolians :laugh:

No, they are not mixed with Czechs.

[Rethel]

No, they are not mixed with Czechs.

So are also ours? :)

[Magnolia]

So are also ours? :)

Yes, they are pure Poles.

[Rethel]

Yes, they are pure Poles.

:thumb001:

[Peterski]

Hey Polacks, do you consider Slovaks also your brothers? just curious.

Slovaks and Lusatian Sorbs.

[Rethel]

Lusatian Sorbs.

Lusatian and Milscian.

[Rethel]

Bump

[Rethel]

http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif

https://d-nm.ppstatic.pl/kadr/k/r/35/3c/54b15b0336e4d_o,size,933x0,q,70,h,349db1.jpg

[Magnolia]

That picture shows how brilliant the Polish sense of humor is. btw. a typical ugly Pole

Rethel are you in love with me?
Why do you enjoy provoking me?
To be honest I am quite annoyed by this topic.

[Rethel]

That picture shows how brilliant the Polish sense of humor is. btw. a typical ugly Pole

:laugh:

Actually he looks rather czechish...


Rethel are you in love with me?

:picard2:

Does everbody whom you talking with or attacking on TA have to be in love with you? :picard2:


Why do you enjoy provoking me?

And where here I did provoe you?
You are provoking yourself - there is no need even mention you at all, for you to be provoked :laugh:


To be honest I am quite annoyed by this topic.

You do not have to be here if you do not like this thread, really.

[Rethel]

Czechish polonofil about...

https://czechofil.com/2013/03/07/krakow-polska-praga-rozmowa-z-czechem-zyjacym-w-krakowie/

[Rethel]

Look how close our states are!

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/94568406.jpg

[Magnolia]

:laugh:

Actually he looks rather czechish...



:picard2:

Does everbody whom you talking with or attacking on TA have to be in love with you? :picard2:



And where here I did provoe you?
You are provoking yourself - there is no need even mention you at all, for you to be provoked :laugh:



You do not have to be here if you do not like this thread, really.

- no he doesnt look Czech at all
- no of course I dont think that; but you keep starting these threads despite I have said you many time how it is.
- You know I have to correct all polish lies about Czechs. You know very well there is no contact between our nations, you know very well we dont call you brothers and we are nto interested in Poland and Polish people at all. But you want to convince internet people that the opposite is true. It is not normal.

[Magnolia]

Czechish polonofil about...

https://czechofil.com/2013/03/07/krakow-polska-praga-rozmowa-z-czechem-zyjacym-w-krakowie/

The term "polnofil" doesnt exist. It you your stupid word.

[Rethel]

but you keep starting these threads

No, I just renew old deleted thread.


You know I have to correct all

So it is your problem, not mine.


polish lies about Czechs.

:picard2: :bored:

[Rethel]

The term "polnofil" doesnt exist. It you your stupid word.

https://www.google.pl/search?client=firefox-b&dcr=0&q=polonophile&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGnP6h8J3WAhUmD5oKHRK6BLwQBQgjKAA&biw=1700&bih=738

[Magnolia]

https://www.google.pl/search?client=firefox-b&dcr=0&q=polonophile&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiGnP6h8J3WAhUmD5oKHRK6BLwQBQgjKAA&biw=1700&bih=738

pogonophile
Someone who has pogonophilia and loves beards, or finds a man with a beard more physically attractive than a man without a beard.
*Man with clean shave walks into room*
Woman without pogonophilia: "Finally - there's a cutie."
Woman with pogonophilia (pogonophile): "Hmm... he's cute, maybe."
*Man with beard walks into room*

Woman with pogonophilia: "Now that's a man."
Woman without pogonophilia: "What about food getting stuck in it?"
*Woman with pogonophilia is already talking to man with beard*

interesting.

[Rethel]

pogonophile
Someone who has pogonophilia and loves beards, or finds a man with a beard more physically attractive than a man without a beard.
*Man with clean shave walks into room*
Woman without pogonophilia: "Finally - there's a cutie."
Woman with pogonophilia (pogonophile): "Hmm... he's cute, maybe."
*Man with beard walks into room*

Woman with pogonophilia: "Now that's a man."
Woman without pogonophilia: "What about food getting stuck in it?"
*Woman with pogonophilia is already talking to man with beard*

interesting.

:picard2:

But interesting is, that you are butthurted about things, which prove you wrong...

[Magnolia]

:picard2:

But interesting is, that you are butthurted about things, which prove you wrong...

No things prove I am wrong. It is simple I am not.

[Rethel]

No things prove I am wrong. It is simple I am not.

Yes you are, becasue the term polonophile exists.

[Cristiano viejo]

No, becasue they are us :laugh:

Eastern are almost pure Poles, and western more mix with Mahnolians :laugh:
WOW.


Slovaks and Lusatian Sorbs.

WOW.

Everybody is Polack in that part of Europe, I see...

[Rethel]

WOW.



WOW.

Everybody is Polack in that part of Europe, I see...

About eastern Slovaks it is true. They are mostly migrants from Poland, and their dialect is in 90% understandable.
Hungolian TA-tards claim, that all slovaks are recent polish colonizers on ancient ugropanistic lands :laugh:

[Magnolia]

Yes you are, becasue the term polonophile exists.

I dont know it. It is not common between Czechs.

[Magnolia]

Eastern Slovakia = there live mostly mix of Rusyns and Hungarians + Gypsies.

[Rethel]

Eastern Slovakia = there live mostly mix of Rusyns and Hungarians + Gypsies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Slovak_dialects

They did want to make para-polish a national language, but bohemians didn;t allowed... :pout:

[Magnolia]

i have been said somebody wants to rape you.
do you want to be raped by a man or by me, rethel?

[Mikula]

Even producers of historical games know this:

http://lfsw.vdl.pl/5thdesign/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/rozbicie_mapa.jpg

What kind of game it is?
And why is among bigger towns mentioned Chynov - a small village near Tabor? :fwhat:

[ЛыSSый]

i have been said somebody wants to rape you.
do you want to be raped by a man or by me, rethel?

:jump0000:
:1127::1127::1127:

where is the thread with hillarious user's citates?

[Rethel]

i have been said somebody wants to rape you.
do you want to be raped by a man or by me, rethel?

Do you feel well?
Do you need help in finding a farmacy for getting the pills?

[Rethel]

What kind of game it is?
And why is among bigger towns mentioned Chynov - a small village near Tabor? :fwhat:

Idk, I found it in google pictures.

It is this: http://lfsw.vdl.pl/5thdesign/rozbicie-dzielnicowe/

It is not even said, it was published or not and under what name.

[Mikula]

Idk, I found it in google pictures.

It is this: http://lfsw.vdl.pl/5thdesign/rozbicie-dzielnicowe/

It is not even said, it was published or not and under what name.

I have just checked history of Chýnov (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%BDnov) - in 10th century it was an improtant castle.
Well, I was there 2 weeks ago, and today it is an unknown small town.

[Rethel]

I have just checked history of Chýnov (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%BDnov) - in 10th century it was an improtant castle.
Well, I was there 2 weeks ago, and today it is an unknown small town.

Ha! you see! :)

Btw, can you say, were Bohemia divided during feudal dividing like Moravia was?
As I remember correctly Moravia was divided on three principalities,but I never
headr about Bohemia - and years ago I was trying to find, but never was written
anything about dividing Bohemia, like she would be always unite. Last local rulers
were probably Słavnikovces and maybe Vrshovces if I remember correctly.

[Antimage]

How for me, if I and Mahnölchen are both Germans?

Neither of you are germans.

[Rethel]

Neither of you are germans.

Yea, sure, you know better.

[Antimage]

Yea, sure, you know better.

Yes I do. You're delusional to think being like 1/128 german and having a german surname makes you german. You're just a pole, stop the wannabeism. Magnolia isn't german either.

[Antimage]

Rethel, I am familiar with your type in my country, I know people here who are distantly german,but they will boast about their germanness, even though they don't look or speak german, they have no connection to german culture.

If you went to Germany you'd just be a Polak to the germans. Germans from Russia are also seen as Russian in Germany. I know a hungarian guy who work in Vienna, he's distantly german and has german surname, his austrian coworkers asked how come he has such surname, and the guy explained that it is because of the germans who settled in Hungary. This was news to Austrian coworkers.To germans people from eastblock with german ancestry aren't really germans. It'd make sense to consider yourself german if you were 100% german by ancestry but very little of your ancestry is german. Just accept your polishness.

[Rethel]

Yes I do.

Really?


You're delusional to think

You are disscussing with non existing problem,
becasue I do not think like that, I never did, and
I never will be. You are totally entirly wrong.


being like 1/128 german and having a german surname [not] makes you german.

You are 100% right. It does not make me a german, and anybody else anyone.
Say it to 99% of TA-tards, who belive that it works that way. I am trying, and
you just couldn;t get it either. Interesting, isn;t it?


You're just a pole, stop the wannabeism.

If I am any wannabe, then I am wannabe Pole.
I would like to be a Pole, the ancient one.


Magnolia isn't german either.

As far as it is known, she is.
You would have to prove diferently.

Stop behaving like rest of TA-tards, and claiming things,
only becasue they seem to you like that, where the horizon
of average TA-tard is 10-20 years and the screen of the computer.

And stop your imagination.
Saying "being a German" it doesnt mean thinking to be a nazi or FRG supporter. :picard2:

[Antimage]

Really?



You are disscussing with non existing problem,
becasue I do not think like that, I never did, and
I never will be. You are totally entirly wrong.



You are 100% right. It does not make me a german, and anybody else anyone.
Say it to 99% of TA-tards, who belive that it works that way. I am trying, and
you just couldn;t get it either. Interesting, isn;t it?



If I am any wannabe, then I am wannabe Pole.
I would like to be a Pole, the ancient one.



As far as it is known, she is.
You would have to prove diferently.

Stop behaving like rest of TA-tards, and claiming things,
only becasue they seem to you like that, where the horizon
of average TA-tard is 10-20 years and the screen of the computer.

And stop your imagination.
Saying "being a German" it doesnt mean thinking to be a nazi or FRG supporter. :picard2:

Nothing in your post make sense.And yes Magnolia is czech.

[Antimage]

Hungolian TA-tards claim, that all slovaks are recent polish colonizers on ancient ugropanistic lands :laugh:
what?

[Rethel]

Rethel, I am familiar with your type in my country, I know people here who are distantly german,but they will boast about their germanness, even though they don't look or speak german, they have no connection to german culture.

Many Hungarians are Germans, so if they are saying what they are just are - why are you deny them this?
Are you envy, that they know their provenance, and you don't? should they deny it, becasue you want it?

If you will say, that you are Hungarian, should I also see this by the glasses of some total delusionists, who
realy have no connection, but they want to be very much? I understand what you mean, I understand what
you imagine, but t is not like that in my case. I am just admitting the fact - thats all. This is the begining and
the end of "being German"., the same as many people in Poland are Prussians, Hungraians, czechs, Lithuanians,
kashubians, dutsch (I have a neighbour like that) aso, aso, aso. Generally, every Pole is from somewhere else,
but not every one knows it. And what? All who know should deny it, becasue you said so? Or pretend to be
rootless, as those who do not know were they are from? Do you also will accuse these people on the map (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/02/article-2408591-1B95A350000005DC-125_964x720.jpg)
to be delusionists, only becasue they are from somewhere and do nor have sclerosis?


If you went to Germany you'd just be a Polak to the germans.

Will that change the fact, that I am from Germany?
do thinking of other people, foreign, stupid and wicked,
influencee you, so they are telling you which facts you
are allowed to admit, and which you have to deny?

Would you prefer Hungarians to be repleced every second generation
by totaly new people, who have no connection with hungarians from
previous decades or centuries? Really? :shoucked:


Germans from Russia are also seen as Russian in Germany.

Ok, and what? The same as above.
Nothing strange that they are seen as such, becasue they are
russian germans, not FGR Germans, so logicaly, that behave and
speak like russians. What is strage in that?

Does delusional migrant in germany from 2000 AD, who is native
in language, is really truer German, that guy who is a German
since 300 years, but temporarly change the place of living?

Do you deny also existence of hungarian diaspora, or
you have such measurment only in mine or german case?


I know a hungarian guy who work in Vienna, he's distantly german and has german surname, his austrian coworkers asked how come he has such surname, and the guy explained that it is because of the germans who settled in Hungary. This was news to Austrian coworkers.

Aha... becasue some plebs and idiots in Austria (who can be
even Slavs) do not know much about the world, the guy should
reject everything what made him and all his tradition, only becasue
some foreign idiots didn't know about it? Are you sane? :picard2:


To germans people from eastblock with german ancestry aren't really germans.

Whenidiots who work with you, will say that you are not Hungarian (from
some reason), will you belive them, and will reject your hungarianness?


It'd make sense to consider yourself german if you were 100% german by ancestry

In this case I am. This is why I say, that I am German - even if it is strange to me myself.
Btw, whole case should ended on once saying me this - and there shouldn;t be no problem.
Problem is, when idiots, plebs and savages are trying to embrace stright truth - they can;t
Don't be one of them.


but very little of your ancestry is german.

1. My ancestry in 100% german (as far as I know, you would have to pove otherwise, I tried, I couldn't).
2. How ancestry can be little? :picard2: It is, or it is not at all.


2. Just accept your polishness.

I totaly accpet it, becasue I am POLISH German.
Btw, if you would want to try to compare me and for example Litwin Peterski on polishness,
then I am even more polish than he. But I know, that I am from somewhere else, he don't,
so he is covered by presuption of nativness, and I'm not, so in the result he has to/can be
admitted as total native, and I do not, becasue I came from somwhere else, even if I am a
deeper in polishness than he - it is just as far we can proof things, and no normal person is
against it. Only delusionists, like these ones beneath, who are delusionists about which you
were talking at the begining. Look at yourself:

Here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?219117-P-O-L-G-E-R-M-A-N-S-3-0&p=4630123&viewfull=1#post4630123
here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?219117-P-O-L-G-E-R-M-A-N-S-3-0&p=4630140&viewfull=1#post4630140
here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?219117-P-O-L-G-E-R-M-A-N-S-3-0&p=4642052&viewfull=1#post4642052
and here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?219117-P-O-L-G-E-R-M-A-N-S-3-0&p=4642080&viewfull=1#post4642080

[Rethel]

Nothing in your post make sense.

So read again, until you get the sense.
I write for people, who can understand deeper, wider
and are able to get more complicated things, than the slogans.


And yes Magnolia is czech.

So if you do want be so strickt about her place of living,
then she is also not a Czechess, but a Dudlebess...

[Rethel]

Antimage,

here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?221419-MAKE-RETHEL-SLAV-AGAIN!-Here-is-your-chance&p=4647644#post4647644) you have your chance in this topic.

Please enlight me.

[Mikula]

Ha! you see! :)

Btw, can you say, were Bohemia divided during feudal dividing like Moravia was?
As I remember correctly Moravia was divided on three principalities,but I never
headr about Bohemia - and years ago I was trying to find, but never was written
anything about dividing Bohemia, like she would be always unite. Last local rulers
were probably Słavnikovces and maybe Vrshovces if I remember correctly.

You are talking about 2 different things.
1) Přemyslid principalities at Moravia (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravsk%C3%A9_p%C5%99emyslovsk%C3%A9_%C3%BAd%C4%9B ly)
2) System of Castle organization (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hradsk%C3%A1_soustava)

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/atlasdejini-130224233248-phpapp01/95/atlas-dejin-i-15-638.jpg

Moravian Principalities was higher level than the sudvivisions of the castle system

[Rethel]

You are talking about 2 different things.
1) Přemyslid principalities at Moravia (https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moravsk%C3%A9_p%C5%99emyslovsk%C3%A9_%C3%BAd%C4%9B ly)


I am taking about this.
Was Bohemia divided on couple of principalities, or only Moravia?

[Mikula]

Only Moravia

[Rethel]

Only Moravia

http://toulkystomem.cz/Ruzne/uzemni_celky/Cechy/images/Moravske-udely.jpg

[Rethel]

Bump

[Rethel]

Jaromierz Nogawica - Czechlanders like to polonize from time to time... :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK6qpvQUKS0

[Headhunter]

I am Polish guy and I really like our neighbors! I get along very well with them and often visit the Czech Republic :)

[ЛыSSый]

I am Polish guy and I really like our neighbors! I get along very well with them and often visit the Czech Republic :)

for what reason, might we ask?

[Ülev]

for what reason, might we ask?

I only can bet - to sell polish apples?

Jablka z Polska obsahovala šestkrát větší množství pesticidu, než je povoleno

https://www.novinky.cz/ekonomika/456477-jablka-z-polska-obsahovala-sestkrat-vetsi-mnozstvi-pesticidu-nez-je-povoleno.html

[Ülev]

bump?

[Rethel]

bump?

Without Mahnölchen it isn't the same... :pout:

[Mikula]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUJLLtMrmCg

[cass]

Quite informative compendium of our relations explained by a difference in culture, history, and foreign influences.

https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.pl/&httpsredir=1&article=6232&context=etd



The Roman Catholic Church has always played a very important
role in Polish and in Slovak society.
On the contrary, the Roman Catholic Church has played a less
important role in Bohemia, where the Hussite Revolt of the fifteenth
century remains a high point in Czech national history.


After the Habsburg victory over the Czechs at White Mountain
in 1620, the Czech lands fell under Austrian control for almost
three hundred years. Because of Austria's intensive Germanization/
program, Czech culture and language were almost liquidated. The
trend toward Germanization was finally checked, if not definitely
halted, during the final quarter of the eighteenth century, when a
small group of patriotic Czech scholars, writers, and teachers began
to work for the cause of Czech liberty and national awareness. At
the same time, many Czechs looked to Russia as the most important
Slavic nation and the potential liberator of the Czechs from Austrian
hegemony.
On the contrary, the Poles could not share or comprehend
the Czech viewpoint that Russia would liberate the Slavs from the
Germans. After the Partitions of Poland in 1772, 17931 and 1795»
the Poles rose up in revolt against the Russians in 179*N 1830-31,
and again in 1 8 6 3. Each time the Russian armies brutally
suppressed the revolts. Therefore, the Poles developed a firmly
negative attitude toward anything Russian. Furthermore, because
the Czechs were pro-Russian, the Poles considered them to be proCommunist during the inter-war period. (The Czechs believed that
because the Poles were anti-Russian, they were consequently not
true Slavs.

William Rose, in his 1951 study of Czech and Polish national
characteristics, writes that the Czech perception of the Poles as
proud, as well as the Polish perception of the Czechs as slightlypolished peasants, is derived from the fact that the Czechs lost
their aristocracy as a result of the Austrian victory over the
Czechs at the Battle of White Mountain in 1620. The Czech aristocracy was simply annihilated. Thereafter, the Czechs became
virtually a one-class bourgeois society.
On the contrary, the Polish aristocracy, excessively.
influenced by the French aristocracy, dominated Polish affairs up
11 to the Communist takeover of Poland in 1944. Therefore, the Czechs
and the Poles suffered from the lack of a culturally unifying force
because Czech society was predominantly bourgeois, while Polish
society was divided between a dominating aristocracy and an overwhelming peasant population.


The diverse historical development in Bohemia and in
Poland also led to the sharpest and most crucial difference between
the Czechs and the Poles, the disagreement over the role of the
Soviet Union in Eastern European affairs. The Czechs possessed a
positive attitude toward the Soviet Union, while the Poles held a
correspondingly negative one. The diversity of attitude between
the Czechs and the Poles concerning the Soviet Union was vital for
the Soviet Union's post-war intentions in Czechoslovakia and in
Poland.

This favorable Czech attitude toward Russia explains the
Czech refusal to permit the transit of French arms to Poland during
Poland's 1920 war with the Soviet Union, the 1935 CzechoslovakSoviet Pact of Mutual Assistance, and the failure of the Czechoslovak-Polish Confederation in 1943. Unfortunately, this positive
Czech attitude toward Russia endured until 1968, when it was
finally crushed under the weight of Soviet tanks.


The Poles regard the Czechs as cowards because the Czechs
have consistently resorted to realistic passive resistance when
confronting a superior force. On the other hand, the Poles have
shown a willingness to die for a cause. In this regard, the Czechs
perceive their northern Slavic neighbors to be reckless romantics.

Edward Taborsky, Bene§' secretary who fled to the United
States after the 19^-8 Communist takeover of Czechoslovakia, writes
the following about the Czech national character:. "... down-toearth realism, an overdose of caution, a dislike for risks, a lack
of romantic heroism. When confronted with a superior force, the
average Czech resorts to devious maneuvering, covered by a pretense
of submission rather than overt opposition. He is ready to fight
only if the chance for success appears to be imminent."
This Czech national preference for "caution, lack of
romantic heroism, and devious maneuvering, covered by a pretense
of submission ..." was immortalized in The Good Soldier Schweik,
Jaroslav Halfek-s classic novel about Czech passive resistance
within the Austrian army during the First World War. The Czech
national characteristic of passive resistance is now called
"Schweikism".


Taking advantage of the Polish conflict in the Ukraine and
White Russia, as well as declaring that the Poles had rejected the
Teschen agreement of November 5» 1918, because Teschen was to be
included in the approaching Polish parliamentary elections, the
Czech army crossed the line of demarcation on January 23, 1919*
Approximately sixteen thousand well-armed Czech soldiers encountered
little resistance in overwhelming fifteen hundred Polish soldiers,
some coal miners, iron workers, railway employees, and peasants.

The Polish army's intervention into the entire Silesian area around Teschen at the
same time of the German annexation of the Sudetenland created the
impression that Germany had agreed with the Polish action.

[Rethel]

Ślųskie wiejsko-slangowe gadanie

It is perfectly understandable weird kind of polish. None language.

It should be differentiated in two parts:

1. Many village dialects which are normal polish village language perfectly understandable (what did
once prove here Peterski in spcial separate thread) with couple polish-archaic features and words.

2. Kattowitz jargon of miners, which has harder pronounciation and many german loanwords.

This - what is called today silesian language - it is just a slang who is mix of pleb village primitive speaking with this pleb churly jargon from Kattovitz.

And even this, is in 90% understandable for polish speaker, even, if he hear it sporadically. Funny thing is, that many frazes and words, which in general polish are just churlish or vulgar and used by pleb and village people, were implemented to this so called "language" as normal basic words (as they are the only forms which they have in common use and which differentiate tounge of silesian people with general Poles) but such thing can be done with any village and any city slang, so evey subdialect should be then consider a separate language. Even people who are supporters of silesian are supporting use of polish in formal situations, at least in this parts which are not proper - and they know it!

[Mikula]

2. Kattowitz jargon of miners, which has harder pronounciation and many german loanwords.


I can say that the Silesian Polish dialect (and in some degree also the Kashubian one) is for me more understable than normal Polish thanks to the German loanwords.
Anyway, the more German words you know, the more you will understand Czech slangs and some Czech dialects :)

[Aldaris]

I can say that the Silesian Polish dialect (and in some degree also the Kashubian one) is for me more understable than normal Polish thanks to the German loanwords.
Anyway, the more German words you know, the more you will understand Czech slangs and some Czech dialects :)

Ten dement jeste neni zas zabanovanej? Se celkem divim, ze vydrzel pomerne dlouho - na tenhle pokus.

Nicmene, ne ze bych uplne nesouhlasil s tou puvodni premisou.

You're a bro, OP, kind of a strange one, but nevertheless.

[cass]

I can say that the Silesian Polish dialect (and in some degree also the Kashubian one) is for me more understable than normal Polish thanks to the German loanwords.
Anyway, the more German words you know, the more you will understand Czech slangs and some Czech dialects :)



Kashubian has less German loanwords then Polish.