What is the main reason of the Serbo-Albanian conflict?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

What is the main reason of the Serbo-Albanian conflict? Does it dating from the Balkan wars (1912-1913) when Serbs occupied a lot of Albanian territory, or it dating a long time before?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

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[Vlatko Vukovic]

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[catgeorge]

What is the main reason of the Serbo-Albanian conflict? Does it dating from the Balkan wars (1912-1913) when Serbs occupied a lot of Albanian territory, or it dating a long time before?

I dont think it was Balkan wars - Albanians were non participants in that war or enlisted in either Greek or Serb or Ottoman forces.

This hatred seems to be very new, I think this explains it the best and developed under communism and got worse from there.



Yugoslavia's expulsion from the Cominform in 1948, Albania was effectively a Yugoslav satellite. In repudiating the 1943 Albanian internal Mukaj agreement under pressure from the Yugoslavs, Albania's communists had given up on their demands for a Yugoslav cession of Kosovo to Albania after the war. In January 1945, the two governments signed a treaty establishing Kosovo as a Yugoslav autonomous province. Shortly thereafter, Yugoslavia became the first country to recognize Albania's provisional government.

In July 1946, Yugoslavia and Albania signed a treaty of friendship and cooperation that was quickly followed by a series of technical and economic agreements laying the groundwork for integrating the Albanian and Yugoslav economies. The pacts provided for coordinating the economic plans of both states, standardizing their monetary systems, and creating a common pricing system and a customs union. So close was the Yugoslav-Albanian relationship that Serbo-Croatian became a required subject in Albanian high schools.

Yugoslavia signed a similar friendship treaty with Bulgaria, and Marshal Josip Broz Tito and Bulgaria's Georgi Dimitrov talked of plans to establish a Balkan federation to include Albania, Yugoslavia, and Bulgaria. Yugoslav advisers poured into Albania's government offices and its army headquarters. Tirana was desperate for outside aid, and about 20,000 tons of Yugoslav grain helped stave off famine. Albania also received US$26.3 million from the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration immediately after the war but had to rely on Yugoslavia for investment and development aid.

Joint Albanian–Yugoslav companies were created for mining, railroad construction, the production of petroleum and electricity, and international trade. Yugoslav investments led to the construction of a sugar refinery in Korçë, a food-processing plant in Elbasan, a hemp factory at Rrogozhinë, a fish cannery in Vlorë, and a printing press, telephone exchange, and textile mill in Tirana. The Yugoslavs also bolstered the Albanian economy by paying three times the international price for Albanian copper and other materials.

Relations between Albania and Yugoslavia declined, however, when the Albanians began complaining that the Yugoslavs were paying too little for Albanian raw materials and exploiting Albania through the joint stock companies. In addition, the Albanians sought investment funds to develop light industries and an oil refinery, while the Yugoslavs wanted the Albanians to concentrate on agriculture and raw-material extraction. The head of Albania's Economic Planning Commission, and Hoxha's right-hand man, Nako Spiru, became the leading critic of Yugoslavia's efforts to exert economic control over Albania. Tito distrusted the intellectuals (Hoxha and his allies) of the Albanian party and, through Xoxe and his loyalists, attempted to unseat them.

In 1947, Yugoslavia acted against anti-Yugoslav Albanian communists, including Hoxha and Spiru. In May, Tirana announced the arrest, trial, and conviction of nine People's Assembly members, all known for opposing Yugoslavia, on charges of antistate activities. A month later, the Communist Party of Yugoslavia's Central Committee accused Hoxha of following "independent" policies and turning the Albanian people against Yugoslavia. This was the closest Hoxha came from being removed from power. Apparently attempting to buy support inside the Albanian Communist Party, Belgrade extended Tirana US$40 million worth of credits, an amount equal to 58% of Albania's 1947 state budget. A year later, Yugoslavia's credits accounted for nearly half of the state budget. Relations worsened in the fall, however, when Spiru's commission developed an economic plan that stressed self-sufficiency, light industry, and agriculture. The Yugoslavs complained bitterly. Subsequently, at a November 1947 meeting of the Albanian Economic Central Committee, Spiru came under intense criticism, spearheaded by Xoxe. Failing to win support from anyone within the party (he was effectively a fall guy for Hoxha) he committed suicide the very next day.

[Geni]

What is the main reason of the Serbo-Albanian conflict? Does it dating from the Balkan wars (1912-1913) when Serbs occupied a lot of Albanian territory, or it dating a long time before?

Serbs hate albanians, look 1 good example....we have non contact with them to 1920 bis to 1992..in Albania they was non hated becasue they was unknown for us .....but now we undertand that they hate us ...they hate us more than albanians Kosovo because they can not vs us because we are 1 country with defined boundary and international laws dont allow to change this and as long as Albania exists, there will be survival for the Albanian people.....recently we know them ... all this is fault of comunists that learn us that they are our neighbors and we should not behave like them ..NO ..we should behave exact like them ,we should unite with our brothers of Kosovo vs this race that hate us so much...is not because religion like they say....nooo.. only naivs belive this ...they hate even catolics and ortodoxs albanians equal like their brother myslims.....but this is to end ...their time is to end...now is our time...Albania is much more strong than before...they lost .....am least they can have their hate we shit their hate....Their teeth have fallen now ...look her in Kosovo ...they come in warrior like her and then ...look...
https://youtu.be/ZTLluhWSi10...finished ...KO

[Cristiano viejo]

The main reason is that Serbians are Europeans with European culture while Albanians are Middle Eastern with an Afro-Muslim culture, IMHO.

[Decius]

What is the main reason of the Serbo-Albanian conflict? Does it dating from the Balkan wars (1912-1913) when Serbs occupied a lot of Albanian territory, or it dating a long time before?

Albanians stole Kosovo and they are middle eastern scum

[Vlatko Vukovic]

The main reason is that Serbians are Europeans with European culture while Albanians are Middle Eastern with an Afro-Muslim culture, IMHO.

It is not true. You say that only becouse of majority of Albanians are Muslims. 40% of Albanian people are christians.

[Cristiano viejo]

It is not true. You say that only becouse of majority of Albanians are Muslims. 40% of Albanian people are christians.

It is what happens when the majority is about what we are speaking... :rolleyes:

[Vlatko Vukovic]

It is what happens when the majority is about what we are speaking... :rolleyes:

What happens??

[Cristiano viejo]

What happens??

That people speak in a general way.

[Laberia]

What is the main reason of the Serbo-Albanian conflict? Does it dating from the Balkan wars (1912-1913) when Serbs occupied a lot of Albanian territory, or it dating a long time before?

I can explain it, but first can you help me with a correct translation in English of this short quote:

Болест и аманет пишчев

Јако ме болест освојила, да већ не могу овакве примјере арбанашке продужават', но само да речем што ми је нуждено.

Ради, Србине брате, с Арбанасима и узрадићеш! Цука' на њи'на врата, и отвориће ти се! Ради вјерно и истинито! Немо' се уздат' у своју 'итрину, ни у њи'ну простоту да ћеш и' преварит'! Нека ти не могу познат' да не радиш за њи'ов образ, ка за свој! Нека немају рашта пиљит' 'иљаду очи у тебе, да ти траже ма'ану преваре! Јер прости народ, кад опази чисту истину у тебе, у ватру ће и у воду с тобом!
Source:
http://www.montenegrina.net/pages/pages1/knjizevnost/zivot_i_obicaji_arbanasa_m_miljanov.htm

Thanks in advance.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I can explain it, but first can you help me with a correct translation in English of this short quote:

Source:
http://www.montenegrina.net/pages/pages1/knjizevnost/zivot_i_obicaji_arbanasa_m_miljanov.htm

Thanks in advance.

Well that is not Serbian which Serbs speak today (it is old version), but i can translate it.

"I am getting very sick, so i cant this Albanians extend, but i am here to tell what i must.

Work, Serb brother, with Albanians and you will advance in work! Knock on their doors and doors will be opened! Work faithfully and true! Don't think you can trick them! Don't let them to see that you are not working for their honor, like you do for your honor! Don't let them to direct 1000 eyes on you! Becouse these people, when they saw truth in you, they will go with you in fire and in the water."

Maybe i did some faults, it was hard becouse it is Old Serbian and some words does not have meaning in English..

[Laberia]

Well that is not Serbian which Serbs speak today (it is old version), but i can translate it.

"I am getting very sick, so i cant this Albanians extend, but i am here to tell what i must.

Work, Serb brother, with Albanians and you will advance in work! Knock on their doors and doors will be opened! Work faithfully and true! Don't think you can trick them! Don't let them to see that you are not working for their honor, like you do for your honor! Don't let them to direct 1000 eyes on you! Becouse these people, when they saw truth in you, they will go with you in fire and in the water."

Maybe i did some faults, it was hard becouse it is Old Serbian and some words does not have meaning in English..

Thank you for for the translation Vlatko. You forget to translate the title:
Болест и аманет пишчев
The bolded word is amanet, something like the last words of an old man or a father for his son before dying? Not exactly a testament about a property, etc.

[Ujku]

Albanians stole Kosovo and they are middle eastern scum

I think that we might also be Africans because there is no other way of explaining our huge dicks..

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Thank you for for the translation Vlatko. You forget to translate the title:
Болест и аманет пишчев
The bolded word is amanet, something like the last words of an old man or a father for his son before dying? Not exactly a testament about a property, etc.

Amanet is when some man leaves a obligation to his descedant before he dies, or instructions.

[Ujku]

Amanet is when some man leaves a obligation to his descedant before he dies, or instructions.


lol i thought amanet was an Albanian word..

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I think that we might also be Africans because there is no other way of explaining our huge dicks..

In Europe, Bosnia have the hugest dicks in average. See there: Official investigations.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

lol i thought amanet was an Albanian word..

Amanet is turkish word, which are used by Albanians and Serbs.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Albanian cultural heritage in Kosovo does not exist, in Kosovo only exist Serbian (Orthodox) and Ottoman (Islamic) cultural heritage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritage_in_Kosovo


https://youtu.be/N2EFFBpoOu4

https://youtu.be/aHSav7TbYBM

Albanians came to Kosovo in 18th and 19th century, they were being brought by Ottomans, in Middle Age 99% of population of Kosovo were Serbs.

[Laberia]

Amanet is when some man leaves a obligation to his descedant before he dies, or instructions.

Exactly. Now i am busy but i will return to this thread. Thank you again for the translation.

[Finnish Swede]

Dead of Josip Broz Tito?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Dead of Josip Broz Tito?

Tito was Mason and anti-Serbian dictator.

Tito settled more than 200 000 Albanians from Albania to Kosovo in period 1948-1960.

[Finnish Swede]

Tito was Mason and anti-Serbian dictator.

Tito settled more than 200 000 Albanians from Albania to Kosovo in period 1948-1960.

I meant he kept the country in one piece (and no wars...not atleast anything which the rest of the Europeans were aware.)

Good or bad other ways? No comments/idea on that.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I meant he kept the country in one piece (and no wars...not atleast anything which the rest of the Europeans were aware.)

Good or bad other ways? No comments on that.

Josip Broz Tito was bloody dictator and one of the greatest evil in Serbian history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_purges_in_Serbia_in_1944-45

[Finnish Swede]

Josip Broz Tito was bloody dictator and one of the greatest evil in Serbian history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Communist_purges_in_Serbia_in_1944-45

Are't all dictators that? Sooner or later? The question goes how to get a rid off one (if you're not happy)? Like in North Korea today.

On the other hand, exactly nationalists tends to be ones who also attacks against demorachy systems...blaiming them to be too weak systems. Some Russians even loves Stalin today...calling him ''a strong leader''...I guess that is the only thing which matters? :eusa_doh: .

[Cristiano viejo]

Albanian cultural heritage in Kosovo does not exist, in Kosovo only exist Serbian (Orthodox) and Ottoman (Islamic) cultural heritage.


Albanians came to Kosovo in 18th and 19th century, they were being brought by Ottomans, in Middle Age 99% of population of Kosovo were Serbs.
Thanks for this info, it makes sense to de-Europeize that Serbian province.

[Drawing-slim]

Albanians stole Kosovo and they are middle eastern scum

What are ou talking about? How did albanians steal kosovo from serbs?!

[Сербо Макеридов]

Are't all dictators that? Sooner or later? The question goes how to get a rid off one (if you're not happy)? Like in North Korea today.

On the other hand, exactly nationalist tends to be ones who also attacks against demorachy systems...blaiming them to be too weak systems. Some Russians even loves Stalin today...calling him ''a strong leader''...I guess that is the only thing which matters :eusa_doh: .

Tito is responsible for the death of several hundred thousand Serbs in period 1941-1947.
A few of my cousins were killed by Tito's Patrisans, they were brutally massacred.

Josip Broz Tito is also responsible for crimes and exodus of Istrian/Dalmatian Italians and Germans (Danube Swabians).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_purges_in_Serbia_in_1944-45

www.cummingsfoundation.org/instituteforworldjustice/pdfs/yugoslavia.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istrian-Dalmatian_exodus

[Finnish Swede]

Tito is responsible for the death of several hundred thousand Serbs in period 1941-1947.
A few of my cousins were killed by Tito's Patrisans, they were brutally massacred.

Josip Broz Tito is also responsible for crimes and exodus of Istrian/Dalmatian Italians and Germans (Danube Swabians).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_purges_in_Serbia_in_1944-45

www.cummingsfoundation.org/instituteforworldjustice/pdfs/yugoslavia.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istrian-Dalmatian_exodus


Still more people died in wars 90's ... or?

[Drawing-slim]

Tito was Mason and anti-Serbian dictator.

Tito settled more than 200 000 Albanians from Albania to Kosovo in period 1948-1960.
You believe this is true?

[Hoxhaism]

Serbs think we should allow their grimey hands on Kosovo, despite the fact that 95% of the population are Albanian and they attempted to cause a mass ethnic cleansing of albanians under their rule.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Still more people died in wars 90's ... or?

In WWII were killed about 1 500 000 Serbs, and also a lot of members of other Yogoslav nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

In Yugoslav wars in nineties number of victims (from all sides) is 130 000 - 140 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars

[Laberia]

In WWII were killed about 1 500 000 Serbs, and also a lot of members of other Yogoslav nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

In Yugoslav wars in nineties number of victims (from all sides) is 130 000 - 140 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars

I don't see in the page of wiki posted by you this 1.500.000 servs killed.

[Laberia]

You believe this is true?

This Makeridov is one of biggest idiots of this forum.

[Сербо Макеридов]

I don't see in the page of wiki posted by you this 1.500.000 servs killed.

And what are you see?

[Laberia]

And what are you see?

Do you understand the question? Show me in the link posted by you where is written 1.500.000 servs killed. Quote please because i can not find it.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Do you understand the question? Show me in the link posted by you where is written 1.500.000 servs killed. Quote please because i can not find it.

At Wikipedia number of Serbian victims in NDH (Independent State of Croatia) is 320 000-340 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia# Serbs

Number at Wikipedia is reduce, Yugoslav antropologist Srboljub Živković exercised analysis of Jasenovac necropolis and he counted around 750 000 skeloton, but he was not finished analysis to the end because communist regime forbade him to work that not would be disrupted "Brotherhood and unity" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_and_unity)
Also Many corpses disappeared in river Sava.

In Jesovovac were killed around 1 000 000 people and 90% of them were Serbs.

Jesenovac were not only concrentation camp in NDH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camps_in_the_Independent_State_of_Cr oatia

Majority of Serbian victims in WWII was killed by Croats, but not only by Croats, many Serbs were killed by Germans, Bulgarians, Analbanians, Hungarians and Tito's Patrisans.

[Finnish Swede]

In WWII were killed about 1 500 000 Serbs, and also a lot of members of other Yogoslav nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

In Yugoslav wars in nineties number of victims (from all sides) is 130 000 - 140 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars

Ok. I'm not gonna continue this anymore (as I agree, my knowledges are bit limited :)).

Still I do't know can WW2 (as a whole) be compared to wars in Balkan 90's?
I might be wrong but maybe both Axel forces and Allied forces killed some people there as well? Or atlest made it possible (= helped) to different Yugolavian groups to do it.

[Laberia]

At Wikipedia number of Serbian victims in NDH (Independent State of Croatia) is 320 000-340 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia# Serbs

Number at Wikipedia is reduce, Yugoslav antropologist Srboljub Živković exercised analysis of Jasenovac necropolis and he counted around 750 000 skeloton, but he was not finished analysis to the end because communist regime forbade him to work that not would be disrupted "Brotherhood and unity" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_and_unity)
Also Many corpses disappeared in river Sava.

In Jesovovac were killed around 1 000 000 people and 90% of them were Serbs.

Jesenovac were not only concrentation camp in NDH.

Majority of Serbian victims in WWII was killed by Croats, but not only by Croats, many Serbs were killed by Germans, Bulgarians, Analbanians, Hungarians and Tito's Patrisans.

Do you understand the question? Where in the page posted by you is written 1.500.000 servs killed during the WWII?

[Robocop]

majority of Albanians are Muslims. 40% of Albanian people are christians.

Albanians are IMO (along with Czech Rep) the most Atheist ppl in Europe.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Do you understand the question? Where in the page posted by you is written 1.500.000 servs killed during the WWII?

Srpski narod je u dvadesetom veku izgubio najmanje 7.000.000 pripadnika. Uprvom svetskom ratu poginulo je 1.300.000 Srba. U drugom svetskom ratu poginulo je 1.700.000 Srba. https://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/196180-SRPSKI-GUBICI-U-XX-VEKU

Translation for AnimaLaberia: In World War II were killed 1.7000.000 Serbs.

[Laberia]

Srpski narod je u dvadesetom veku izgubio najmanje 7.000.000 pripadnika. Uprvom svetskom ratu poginulo je 1.300.000 Srba. U drugom svetskom ratu poginulo je 1.700.000 Srba. https://forum.krstarica.com/showthread.php/196180-SRPSKI-GUBICI-U-XX-VEKU

Translation for AnimaLaberia: In World War II were killed 1.7000.000 Serbs.

You are exactly the son of a gypsy servian whore. You dumbass claimed that 1.500.000 servs were killed during the WWII and you posted a page of wiki as source. Where is written in that page you degraded bastard? Study, serv, filthy creature.

[Сербо Макеридов]

You are exactly the son of a gypsy servian whore. You dumbass claimed that 1.500.000 servs were killed during the WWII and you posted a page of wiki as source. Where is written in that page you degraded bastard? Study, serv, filthy creature.

Hahaaahaaa, you are Analbanian Gypsy Levantine recent imigrant with mostly non-European DNA, and with alien physiognomy for Europe.

This is your "culture" you dirty subhuman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritage_in_Kosovo


https://youtu.be/N2EFFBpoOu4

https://youtu.be/9vqEvSiRi9c

https://youtu.be/vaQ9HLAFo7s

[Laberia]

You see people? This are the servs and their propaganda. They troll even their killed ancestors in their graves. Disgusting race.

[Laberia]

Someone from the mods ban this idiot Makeridov. His only "contribution" in forum is disinformation and spamming. It's impossible to have a normal conversation when this idiot is present.

[Сербо Макеридов]

You see people? This are the servs and their propaganda. They troll even their killed ancestors in their graves. Disgusting race.

HELLO RECENT LEVANTINE IMIGRANT, YOU ARE KEBAB AND YOU LIVE IN STOLEN SERBIAN LAND!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo


https://youtu.be/aHSav7TbYBM

https://youtu.be/6AXH5AcpVCw

[Сербо Макеридов]

Someone from the mods ban this idiot Makeridov. His only "contribution" in forum is disinformation and spamming. It's impossible to have a normal conversation when this idiot is present.

You are supporter of ISIS and you find excuses for crimes of your Kebab nation against the Christian Serbs, and because of that you should be banned.

[Archduke]

Serbs are getting annoying with Kosovo already. The territory has nothing to do with Serbia demographically or even culturally (there are some monasteries but they are not a reason to claim a whole region).

[Vlatko Vukovic]

You are exactly the son of a gypsy servian whore. You dumbass claimed that 1.500.000 servs were killed during the WWII and you posted a page of wiki as source. Where is written in that page you degraded bastard? Study, serv, filthy creature.

There was killed Serbs in Jasenovac, but not 1.500.000 definitly. It is big number.

[Сербо Макеридов]

There was killed Serbs in Jasenovac, but not 1.500.000 definitly. It is big number.

Of course that in Jasenovac is not killed 1.500.000 people.

1.500.000 is about number of all Serbian victims killed during the WWIII by Croats, Bulgarians, Germans, Albanians plus Serbian victims of Tito's communist terror 1944-1947.

[Laberia]

There was killed Serbs in Jasenovac, but not 1.500.000 definitly. It is big number.

I know the story of Jasenovac. The problem is that this troll is destroying every thread spreading disinformation and spamming. If you post something, you have to prove your claim or you have to say, sorry i was wrong, happen to everyone. This is not the case of this idiot.

[Laberia]

In WWII were killed about 1 500 000 Serbs, and also a lot of members of other Yogoslav nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

In Yugoslav wars in nineties number of victims (from all sides) is 130 000 - 140 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars

Of course that in Jasenovac is not killed 1.500.000 people.

1.500.000 is about number of all Serbian victims killed during the WWIII by Croats, Bulgarians, Germans, Albanians plus Serbian victims of Tito's communist terror 1944-1947.


Liar.

[Сербо Макеридов]

At Wikipedia number of Serbian victims in NDH (Independent State of Croatia) is 320 000-340 000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia# Serbs

Number at Wikipedia is reduce, Yugoslav antropologist Srboljub Živković exercised analysis of Jasenovac necropolis and he counted around 750 000 skeloton, but he was not finished analysis to the end because communist regime forbade him to work that not would be disrupted "Brotherhood and unity" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_and_unity)
Also Many corpses disappeared in river Sava.

In Jesovovac were killed around 1 000 000 people and 90% of them were Serbs.

Jesenovac were not only concrentation camp in NDH https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_camps_in_the_Independent_State_of_Cr oatia

Majority of Serbian victims in WWII was killed by Croats, but not only by Croats, many Serbs were killed by Germans, Bulgarians, Analbanians, Hungarians and Tito's Patrisans.

For AnimaLaberia.

This is the point, my dear primitive Kebab friend.

[Laberia]

For AnimaLaberia.

This is the point, my dear primitive Kebab friend.

You son of a gypsy whore, you are a kebab because you are a gypsy. Explain this bitch:

In WWII were killed about 1 500 000 Serbs, and also a lot of members of other Yogoslav nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

[Сербо Макеридов]

You son of a gypsy whore, you are a kebab because you are a gypsy. Explain this bitch:


I am descendant of Slavic invaders, origin of my haplogroup is in Ukraine and I am proud of it.

You are primitive Gypsy Middle Eastern scum, and you will be removed from the Balkans.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Of course that in Jasenovac is not killed 1.500.000 people.

1.500.000 is about number of all Serbian victims killed during the WWIII by Croats, Bulgarians, Germans, Albanians plus Serbian victims of Tito's communist terror 1944-1947.

That is a different story. And a lot of people survived same things as Serbs in WWII. Just Croats from Balkan (ustashe movement) declared themself as Nazis with Gothic (not Slavic) roots, so they fled of the Nazi's genocides.

[Laberia]

Read this liar:
Civilians killed: ~514,000[16]–581,000[17]
Total Yugoslav casualties: ~850,000[18]–1,200,000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslavia#Casualties)
Even the total Yugoslav casualties, military and civilians are not 1.500.000.
You see? You are a liar.


I am descendant of Slavic invaders, origin of my haplogroup is in Ukraine and I am proud of it.

You are primitive Gypsy Middle Eastern scum, and you will be removed from the Balkans.
Hold a second. You are no more originary from the highlands of Swiss? You are a untermensch, a subhuman from the marshes of Ukraine. Fuck you bitch. Your real origine is from the balls of the Turks who raped your grandmothers meanwhile your grandfathers were used as flag bears.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Read this liar:
Civilians killed: ~514,000[16]–581,000[17]
Total Yugoslav casualties: ~850,000[18]–1,200,000 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_in_Yugoslavia#Casualties)
Even the total Yugoslav casualties, military and civilians are not 1.500.000.
You see? You are a liar.


Hold a second. You are no more originary from the highlands of Swiss? You are a untermensch, a subhuman from the marshes of Ukraine. Fuck you bitch. Your real origine is from the balls of the Turks who raped your grandmothers meanwhile your grandfathers were used as flag bears.

Analbanians are genetically much more close to Turks than Serbs, deal with it.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e1/a9/95/e1a995b63375bf031e20b2d39ab489e2.jpg

I know my ancestors to the 17th century, and you probably do not know who is you biological father.

[Kamal900]

I am descendant of Slavic invaders, origin of my haplogroup is in Ukraine and I am proud of it.

You are primitive Gypsy Middle Eastern scum, and you will be removed from the Balkans.

Seriously? Albanians are racially and genetically native Europeans as well, and they have far less west Asiatic admixture than their Greek counterparts who are Christians. Can you people please stop bringing us up as a means of insulting others?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Seriously? Albanians are racially and genetically native Europeans as well, and they have far less west Asiatic admixture than their Greek counterparts who are Christians. Can you people please stop bringing us up as a means of insulting others?

Most dominant haplogroups among Albanians are North-African E1b, and Anatolian-Caucasian J2b2, genetic is proof that they are not native in Europe.

[Laberia]

Analbanians are genetically much more close to Turks than Serbs, deal with it.

[IMGd39ab489e2.jpg[/IMG]

I know my ancestors to the 17th century, and you probably do not know who is you biological father.
Sure, keep playing with maps retard.
Read here:
Victims by nationality
Nationality 1964 list Kočović[77] Žerjavić[17]
Serbs -------346,740 --------487,000 --------530,000

Where are 1.500.000 servs killed, liar?

[Kamal900]

Most dominant haplogroups among Albanians are North-African E1b, and Anatolian-Caucasian J2b2, genetic is proof that they are not native in Europe.

Lol, all haplogroups in Europe originated outside of Europe, and the E1b1 haplogroup that is found among Albanians is NOT the same clade or sub-clade as those found in the middle east which was brought to the Balkans more than 10,000 years ago by the early farmers from Anatolia.

[Laberia]

Most dominant haplogroups among Albanians are North-African E1b, and Anatolian-Caucasian J2b2, genetic is proof that they are not native in Europe.

How can you continue to post in this forum? You have been debunked many times as a liar. But you are a serv, a subhuman, a creature without honor and you don't know the meaning of the word shame, it's typical of your subhuman race. Just read the forefather of your nation:

Here is a direct quote by Dobrica Cosic: ''Lying is the highest virtue of the Serbian people.''

Dobrica Cosic continues and says: ''We lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else's misery. Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence. We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively.''

[Сербо Макеридов]

Lol, all haplogroups in Europe originated outside of Europe, and the E1b1 haplogroup that is found among Albanians is NOT the same clade or sub-clade as those found in the middle east which was brought to the Balkans more than 10,000 years ago by the early farmers from Anatolia.

I haplogroup is originated in Europe.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/94/29/e694297e50f1fb6e82cc18f8d07cdf9d.png

I haplogroup in Serbia is 45% (I2a 35%, I1 9%, I2b 1%), among ethnic Serbs for sure even more.

[Dick]

How can you continue to post in this forum? You have been debunked many times as a liar. But you are a serv, a subhuman, a creature with honor and you don't know the meaning of the word shame, it's typical of your subhuman race. Just read the forefather of your nation:

Here is a direct quote by Dobrica Cosic: ''Lying is the highest virtue of the Serbian people.''

Dobrica Cosic continues and says: ''We lie to deceive ourselves, to console others, we lie for mercy, we lie to fight fear, to encourage ourselves, to hide our and somebody else's misery. Lying is a trait of our patriotism and the proof of our innate intelligence. We lie creatively, imaginatively and inventively.''

That quote is from a science fiction novel of his, you brown moroccan looking ape.

[Laberia]

That quote is from a science fiction novel of his, you brown moroccan looking ape.

And we have to believe the words of a subhuman like you? Keep watching your virtual shop, i mean your thread about the classification of your ass.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I haplogroup is originated in Europe.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/94/29/e694297e50f1fb6e82cc18f8d07cdf9d.png

I haplogroup in Serbia is 45% (I2a 35%, I1 9%, I2b 1%), among ethnic Serbs for sure even more.

True. I2a2 and I1 are proto-Europeans. Most common in Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia.

[KrashNick]

It all started when Serbs forced many Albanians to leave their homeland where Albanians were a majority population in some areas of the Sanjak of Nish, like the Toplica region and some villages in the district of Vranje , prior to the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Toplica-Morava_Andreemap.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Albanians_1877%E2%80%931878

[Dinarid Warrior]

True. I2a2 and I1 are proto-Europeans. Most common in Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia.

I2a1b in South Slavs came with Slavs. I2a2 peaks in Albanians (Tosks) and Greeks and as far as I know is the only I2a found in ancient Balkans.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-I2b.gif

There is also some other type of I2a found in Sardinians also found in Albanians of Macedonia.


Most of the Mesolithic Europeans were absorbed into the Neolithic farmers and later the Indo Europeans. Which is why haplogroup I was found in a lot of Neolithic sites. Sardinians who are predominantly Neolithic have a lot of I2a. It just demonstrates that y chromosome don't represent your overall genetic make up and are the result of a bottle neck effect. It seems to of become dominant.

Mesolithic Europeans had many different y chromosomes , including J, R1a, R1b, C, F and I etc. You're looking at totally different subclades / branches than that which expanded with the Bronze age.

Ydna I ancestor btw came from Middle East as IJ and split probably in Europe. Or the split must of happened in the Middle East.


As for the topic itself, I will contribute soon.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I2a1b in South Slavs came with Slavs. I2a2 peaks in Albanians (Tosks) and Greeks and as far as I know is the only I2a found in ancient Balkan remains.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-I2b.gif

There is also some other type of I2a found in Sardinians also found in Albanians of Macedonia.


Most of the Mesolithic Europeans were absorbed into the Neolithic farmers and later the Indo Europeans. Which is why haplogroup I was found in a lot of Neolithic sites. Sardinians who are predominantly Neolithic have a lot of I2a. It just demonstrates that y chromosome don't represent your overall genetic make up and are the result of a bottle neck effect.

Mesolithic Europeans had many different y chromosomes , including J, R1a, R1b, C, F and I etc. You're looking at totally different subclades / branches that which expanded with the Bronze age.

Ydna I ancestor btw came from Middle East as IJ and split probably in Europe. Or the split must of happened in the Middle East.


As for the topic itself, I will cobtribute soon.

Bosnia and Croatia have more then 50% of haplogroup proto-European I2a2.

[Lavrentis]

Albanians are IMO (along with Czech Rep) the most Atheist ppl in Europe.

Not true, Dutch people, Swedes and French are more atheist than Albanians. Albanians are not so atheist, just go to YouTube and search about Muslim celebrations in Tirana like Ramadan or Eid al Fitr. A lot of people were celebrating them in Tirana.

[Hoxhaism]

Not true, Dutch people, Swedes and French are more atheist than Albanians. Albanians are not so atheist, just go to YouTube and search about Muslim celebrations in Tirana like Ramanan or Eid al Fitr. A lot of people were celebrating them in Tirana.

A lot of people simply celebrate both Christian/Muslim festivities.

I wouldn't nesessarily call albania an athiestic nation, but religion barely takes a big role in our lives.

[Lavrentis]

A lot of people simply celebrate both Christian/Muslim festivities.

I wouldn't nesessarily call albania an athiestic nation, but religion barely takes a big role in our lives.

I understand, but I pointed out that is wrong to say that Albanians are the most atheist people in Europe along with Czechs. And I didn't even mention other very atheist ethnicities, such as the Finns and the Estonians.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

It all started when Serbs forced many Albanians to leave their homeland where Albanians were a majority population in some areas of the Sanjak of Nish, like the Toplica region and some villages in the district of Vranje , prior to the Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/Toplica-Morava_Andreemap.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_of_the_Albanians_1877%E2%80%931878

Actually it started earlier perhaps during Ottomans when serbs made a good vasal nation whilst Albanians lost countless lives fighting Ottomans, however when our roads have gone in opposite direction of no return was when serb academia compiled greater servia project implemented by serbian ultra nationalistic politicians of likes of Ilija garasanin at expense of Albanian territories with nacertanije, basically a greater serbia project of 19th century like greek Megali Idea project.


Roots of the Greater Serbian ideology are often traced back to Serbian minister Ilija Garašanin's Načertanije (1844).[7] Načertanije (Начертаније) was influenced by "Conseils sur la conduite a suivre par la Serbie", a document written by Polish Prince Adam Czartoryski in 1843 and the revised version by Polish ambassador to Serbia, Franjo Zach, "Zach's Plan".[8][9] From the 1850s onward, this concept has had a significant influence on Serbian politics.

"A plan must be constructed which does not limit Serbia to her present borders, but endeavors to absorb all the Serbian people around her."[7]

— Ilija Garašanin, Načertanije
The work claimed lands that were inhabited by Bulgarians, Macedonians, Albanians, Montenegrins, Bosnians, Hungarians and Croats as part of Greater Serbia.[7] Garašanin's plan also included methods of spreading Serbian influence in the claimed lands.[10] He proposed ways to influence Croats and Slavic Muslims, who Garašanin regarded as "Serbs of Catholic faith" and "Serbs of Islamic faith".[7] This plan was kept secret until 1967 and has been interpreted by some as a blueprint for Serbian national unification, with the primary concern of strengthening Serbia's position by inculcating Serbian and pro-Serbian national ideology in all surrounding peoples that are considered to be devoid of national consciousness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Serbia#Gara.C5.A1anin.27s_Na.C4.8Dertanije

Notice the very same mentality pattern of servo makedirov, serb chetnik and basically every serb nationalist behavior with 19th century nacertanije project who till these days makes up basis/foundation of serb nationalism, and if other people wonder about these hatred and assume that hatred has developed recently with Kosova and we're to be blamed because supposedly during middle ages serbs made up majority (solely relying to devshirme tax collecting names) then they are terrible wrong about whole animosity, history and all.

[Dinarid Warrior]

Bosnia and Croatia have more then 50% of haplogroup proto-European I2a2.

South Slavs majorly belong to I2a1b which used to be called I2a2 but not any more. It's also associated with Neolithic farmers because they absorbed mesolithic Europeans. The map he posted is totally outdated.

Anyway, I don't understand what mesolithic Europeans have anything to do with the topic.

Do Serbs speak the language of the mesolithic Europeans? Serbs are Indo Europeans, like majority of Europeans including Albanians, that migrated into Europe during Bronze age and absorbed native people in the different areas they settled... what has this anything to do with the topic?

[Vlatko Vukovic]

South Slavs majorly belong to I2a1b which used to be called I2a2 but not any more. It's also associated with Neolithic farmers because they absorbed mesolithic Europeans. The map he posted is totally outdated.

Anyway, I don't understand what mesolithic Europeans have anything to do with the topic.

Do Serbs speak the language of the mesolithic Europeans? Serbs are Indo Europeans, like majority of Europeans including Albanians, that migrated into Europe during Bronze age and absorbed native people in the different areas they settled... what has this anything to do with the topic?

67400

Sorry, but that map is real map. South Slavs took culture from indo-europeans but saved ancient Illyrian DNA.

[Kelmendasi]

Bosnia and Croatia have more then 50% of haplogroup proto-European I2a2.
I2a1b reaches frequencies of over 50% in south Slavs not I2a2. I2a1b used to be called I2a2 but not any more

[Kelmendasi]

67400

Sorry, but that map is real map. South Slavs took culture from indo-europeans but saved ancient Illyrian DNA.
I2a1b-Din isn't Illyrian, this is proven by the fact that no anceint I2a1b-Din samples have been found in the ancient Balkans but on the other hand it's oldest sample was found in Poland. The only I2a found in the ancient Balkans was I2a2a1b2 and one I2a1a iirc

[Catholic Riffs]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/227479079140458511/269815942488391680/1484399138475.png

[Wrong]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/227479079140458511/269815942488391680/1484399138475.png
Man... I somehow knew you were gonna post this before I saw it... J2brain...

[Loki]

I2a1b in South Slavs came with Slavs.

Sorry friend, it didn't. It was there already in the Balkans before the Slavs came there. The Slavs brought mainly R1a. I have shown this before.

[Kelmendasi]

Sorry friend, it didn't. It was there already in the Balkans before the Slavs came there. The Slavs brought mainly R1a. I have shown this before.
There is no evidence that suggests this. No I2a1b-Din was found in the ancient Balkans but it was found in Poland and has the highest diversity in Ukraine iirc so it suggests that it originated somewhere around there. The only I2a1b clade that could possibly have been in the Balkans is I2a1b-L161.1

[Vlatko Vukovic]

I2a1b-Din isn't Illyrian, this is proven by the fact that no anceint I2a1b-Din samples have been found in the ancient Balkans but on the other hand it's oldest sample was found in Poland. The only I2a found in the ancient Balkans was I2a2a1b2 and one I2a1a iirc

I2a2 is proto-European haplogroup.

[Kelmendasi]

I2a2 is proto-European haplogroup.
All I2 and I1 could be said as such since they originated in Europe

[Herr Abubu]

Serbian and Albanian relations were overall good during the Medieval period (clear enough by the fact that in Medieval Kosovo, the church records imply intermarriage was quite common, as well as the fact that many Albanians were under the Serbian Orthodox Church, due to a lack of an Albanian church). During the Ottoman period they were also not bad. What happened was first some atrocities committed by the Serbs against the Albanians in Kosovo during the Russo-Turkish war. Then later in 1912, the Serbs committed great atrocities against the Albanians while taking Kosovo from the decadent Ottoman Empire.

As has always been the case since Serbia became independent from the Ottoman Empire and waged nationalist wars of expansion, the irregular troops stood behind most of the atrocities, but this was simply a policy of "letting the dogs loose". Villages were burned and pillaged, women were raped en masse and they didn't discriminate between killing men, women and children. It has been estimated that up to over 100 000 Albanians died during the Balkan Wars, 1912-1913.

If the Serbs hadn't gotten drunk on imperialist ideas as soon as they gained their independence, the relations between Albanians and Serbs would probably have been entirely different and there wouldn't be the sort of antagonism we see today.

[Dinarid Warrior]

How is it associated with neolitic farmers?






I2a1a (M26, L158, L159.1/S169.1) was known as I1b2 until 2005, I1b1b in 2006-7, and I2a1 from 2008 to 2010. It is found in all Western Europe, and reaches maximum frequencies among the Sardinians (37.5%) and the Basques (5%), two population isolates. M26 is geographically restricted to the British Isles, the Low Countries, France, western Germany, Switzerland, Sardinia, Sicily, the west coast of Italy, Iberia and the Mediterranean coast of the Maghreb. The only M26 negative for the L160 mutation are confined to Ireland.

I2a1a-M26 was probably one of the main paternal lineages of the Megalithic cultures of western Europe during the Neolithic and Chalcolithic periods. I2a1a1a (L672) was already found in Mesolithic Sweden, which implies that I2a1a had a very wide distribution from Iberia to Scandinavia during the Mesolithic period. Later, they would have adopted agriculture by intermixing with Near Eastern newcomers.






Haplogroup I2a1b-L621

This branch is found overwhelmingly in Slavic countries. Its maximum frequencies are observed among the Dinaric Slavs (Slovenes, Croats, Bosniaks, Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians) as well as in Bulgaria, Romania, Moldavia, western Ukraine and Belarus. It is also common to a lower extent in Albania, Greece, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, and south-western Russia. I2-L621 (L147.2+) is also known as as I2a-Din (for Dinaric).

The high concentration of I2a1b-L621 in north-east Romania, Moldova and central Ukraine reminds of the maximum spread of the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture (4800-3000 BCE). No Y-DNA sample from this culture has been tested to date, but as it evolved as an offshoot from the Starčevo–Kőrös–Criş culture, it is likely that I2a was one of its main paternal lineages, and a founder effect could have increased considerably its frequency. The Cucuteni-Trypillian culture was the most advanced Neolithic culture in Europe before the Indo-European invasions in the Bronze Age and seems to have had intensive contacts with the Steppe culture before the expansion of Yamna to the Balkans and Central Europe (see histories of R1a an



http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml#I2a1





Serbian and Albanian relations were overall good during the Medieval period (clear enough by the fact that in Medieval Kosovo, the church records imply intermarriage was quite common, as well as the fact that many Albanians were under the Serbian Orthodox Church, due to a lack of an Albanian church). During the Ottoman period they were also not bad. What happened was first some atrocities committed by the Serbs against the Albanians in Kosovo during the Russo-Turkish war. Then later in 1912, the Serbs committed great atrocities against the Albanians while taking Kosovo from the decadent Ottoman Empire.

As has always been the case since Serbia became independent from the Ottoman Empire and waged nationalist wars of expansion, the irregular troops stood behind most of the atrocities, but this was simply a policy of "letting the dogs loose". Villages were burned and pillaged, women were raped en masse and they didn't discriminate between killing men, women and children. It has been estimated that up to over 100 000 Albanians died during the Balkan Wars, 1912-1913.

If the Serbs hadn't gotten drunk on imperialist ideas as soon as they gained their independence, the relations between Albanians and Serbs would probably have been entirely different and there wouldn't be the sort of antagonism we see today.


Those intermarriages were between Orthodox Albanians and Serbs in that case, and majority of Orthodox Vlachs and Orthodox Albanians had been Serbianised. I only know of records in Kosovo that mention Albanians as Catholic and Muslim and they did not belong to any Serbian Orthodox church afaik neither were marriages common, not even between the Serbian Muslims and Albanian Muslims. Orthodox Albanians must of been a very minority in that case due to Slavicization overall.

[catgeorge]

Require one of these in North Greece borders immediately

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/25/16/3794511800000578-3758347-image-a-1_1472139328736.jpg

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160216182653-trump-border-wall-explainer-animation-orig-nws-00003622-exlarge-169.jpg

Just stay away all of you. :food-smiley-004:

We are just damned to have such a neighbourhood.

[catgeorge]

South Slavs mixed with locals were primarily I2 + G + E + J before R1s came to Europe.

Thracians most likely had R1 and R1 was in Greece 5000 years ago. The only slavic Y-DNA belongs in Baltics and Poland not Balkans as South Slavs there are mixed with locals

[Kamal900]

I haplogroup is originated in Europe.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/94/29/e694297e50f1fb6e82cc18f8d07cdf9d.png

I haplogroup in Serbia is 45% (I2a 35%, I1 9%, I2b 1%), among ethnic Serbs for sure even more.

Sorry to say this, but the I haplogroup also originated in the middle east. Somewhere in east Anatolia to be specific where the I haplogroup split from it's J counterpart(IJ haplogroup) between 40 to 30,000 years ago.

[Dinarid Warrior]

South Slavs mixed with locals were primarily I2 + G + E + J before R1s came to Europe.

Thracians most likely had R1 and R1 was in Greece 5000 years ago. The only slavic Y-DNA belongs in Baltics and Poland not Balkans as South Slavs there are mixed with locals

There are different I2a branches, South Slavs belong mostly to the Slavic branch of I2a1b which also peaks in Ukraine etc and came with the Slavic migrations. I2a1b is native to Northern Europe etc but not to the Balkans

I2a2 is native to the Balkans.



Thracians belonged to totally different branch of r1a, the one that was found in ancient remnants was most likely Iranian absorbed by Thravcians and later Bulgarians. South Slavs belong a lot to the Slavic branches like z280 m458



The R1a-Y3300 (aka L1280) found in Serbia and Bosnia seems to have expanded from Poland via Hungary during the early medieval period. The Croatian R1a-Y2608 also expanded from Poland during the same period, but via Czechia, Slovakia, Austria and Slovenia.

Bulgarian R1a is very diverse in comparison to Dinaric R1a. Subclades equally divided between M458 (mostly the pan-Slavic L1029 subclade) and Z280, but with a huge diversity within the latter, (Y33>CTS8816, YP237>YP235>L366, YP343>YP39082>YP340, Z92>YP617 and Z92>Z685). There is also a little bit of very old R1a-M198 (M417-), and some R1a-Z93, notably the Y15121 subclade found in Iran, India and the Middle East, and which could have come with the Scythians or other Iranic steppe tribes. Little data is available for neighbouring Macedonia, but it includes at least L1029 (under M458) and L366 (under CTS1211).

Romanians have an even greater diversity of R1a clades than Bulgarians, despite not being speakers of a Slavic language. In fact, not all Romanian R1a is of Slavic origin. It includes Germanic clades (L664>S2894>YP285>YP282 and Z283), Iranian ones (Z93) and Jewish ones (CTS6). The Slavic clades represented include L1029 (under M458>CTS11962) and YP951 (under CTS1211>Y35>CTS3402>YP237>).





I2a1b peaks in Ukraine and neighboring areas where it expanded into Balkans during early medieval ages probably.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Slavic

Not all of Maciamos texts are up to date though.

[Dinarid Warrior]

Sorry to say this, but the I haplogroup also originated in the middle east. Somewhere in east Anatolia to be specific where the I haplogroup split from it's J counterpart(IJ haplogroup) between 40 to 30,000 years ago.

Yeah, that makes much more sense. IJ split in Middle East into I and J.

[Сербо Макеридов]

Yeah, that makes much more sense. IJ split in Middle East into I and J.

I is born in the Balkans about 25000-30000 years ago, IJ was born in Asia Minor.

[DarknessWin]

Support Albanians to fuck the Serb pussies

[Сербо Макеридов]

Support Albanians to fuck the Serb pussies

Fuck of dirty subhuman, you are product of Analbanian sperm and Greek whore.

[Dinarid Warrior]

I is born in the Balkans about 25000-30000 years ago, IJ was born in Asia Minor.

If I was born in Europe then so was J if they split there.

[Dinarid Warrior]

Sorry friend, it didn't. It was there already in the Balkans before the Slavs came there. The Slavs brought mainly R1a. I have shown this before.

Well , I guess we're gonna have to disagree there :D




The oldest J2b2-L283 sample recovered among ancient DNA samples is a Late Bronze Age (1700-1500 BCE) individual from southern Croatia (Mathieson et al. 2017). His genome possessed about 30% of Steppe admixture and 15% of Eastern Hunter-Gatherer, which suggest a recent arrival from the Steppe. He was accompanied by a woman with similar admixtures, and both possessed typical Pontic-Caspian Steppe mtDNA (I1a1 and W3a). The timing, location and admixtures of these samples fit with the Illyrian colonisation of the Dinaric Alps, which is thought to have taken place between 1600 and 1100 BCE. The Illyrians may have been late Steppe migrants from the Volga region that were forced out of the Steppe by the invasion of the northern R1a tribes who established the Srubna culture (from 2000 BCE). Through a founding effect, J2b2-L283 lineages might have considerably increased their original frequency after reaching Illyria.



http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml

[Сербо Макеридов]

If I was born in Europe then so was J if they split there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M170#Origins

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_IJ

[Loki]

Well , I guess we're gonna have to disagree there :D



http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J2_Y-DNA.shtml

Sorry must have been a confusion, I didn't talk about J2 at all.

[Robocop]

And while you all fighting for this reason or that reason, I'm on Mars listenin to David Bowie, cheers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeDllUiq92I

Fuck yeah.

[Lavrentis]

Fuck of dirty subhuman, you are product of Analbanian sperm and Greek whore.

There is no such thing as a 'Greek whore'. A lot of the whores/prostitutes in Greece are Serbian.


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[Laberia]

There is no such thing as a 'Greek whore'. A lot of the whores/prostitutes in Greece are Serbian.


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Yep. The prove for your words is exactly the case of epirot.

[Sebastianus Rex]

The main reason is that Serbians are Europeans with European culture while Albanians are Middle Eastern with an Afro-Muslim culture, IMHO.


Albanians stole Kosovo and they are middle eastern scum

Indeed, the reason is because the Ottoman Empire made a complete mess out of the Balkans with hundreds of years of Arabo-Turkish settling, turning Tosks into an ethnicity with a culture, religion, behaviour and genetics that are alien and hostile to native neighbours and European civilization. These are images of Albanian cities before communism, with the exception of some faces, everything is 100% alien to Europe:

1914
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/db05317cd2bc4486b9c6986527b8c00b/albanian-men-with-the-magazine-die-woche-1914-h368pw.jpg

Dürres 1914
http://www.mapo.al/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/al1.jpg

Scutari 1914
https://cameraetruscablog.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/albania_scutari_street-1914-somerville.jpg

Tirana 1941
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1945_German-Wehrmacht/AH1945_4r_gr.jpg

http://www.albanianphotography.net/lambertz/index_htm_files/1210.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3745/9436728247_d9b937161a.jpg

http://www.archiviofotografico.societageografica.it/getImage.php?id=197&w=800&h=600&f=0&.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

Indeed, the reason is because the Ottoman Empire made a complete mess out of the Balkans with hundreds of years of Arabo-Turkish settling, turning Tosks into an ethnicity with a culture, religion, behaviour and genetics that are alien and hostile to native neighbours and European civilization. These are images of Albanian cities before communism, with the exception of some faces, everything is 100% alien to Europe:

1914
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/db05317cd2bc4486b9c6986527b8c00b/albanian-men-with-the-magazine-die-woche-1914-h368pw.jpg

Dürres 1914
http://www.mapo.al/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/al1.jpg

Scutari 1914
https://cameraetruscablog.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/albania_scutari_street-1914-somerville.jpg

Tirana 1941
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1945_German-Wehrmacht/AH1945_4r_gr.jpg

http://www.albanianphotography.net/lambertz/index_htm_files/1210.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3745/9436728247_d9b937161a.jpg

http://www.archiviofotografico.societageografica.it/getImage.php?id=197&w=800&h=600&f=0&.jpg

lulz!, Albanians must have grown 50 cms since then to claim what they claim now, that they are 2 m. of height :lol:

[Sebastianus Rex]

lulz!, Albanians must have grown 50 cms since then to claim what they claim now, that they are 2 m. of height :lol:

Most Albanian members of this forum are completely delusional and for some misterious reason like to project themselves as masters of the Universe. The taller mountain types (a small minority) are ethnically Montenegrins.

Spanish bastekball national team is much taller than the Albanian one. Where are those Albanian giants ? :ohwell:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania_national_basketball_team

Club Ctr.
PG 4 Strazimiri, Klein 19 – 22 April 1998 1.85 m (6 ft 1 in) KB Tirana Albania
SG 7 Kovaci, Beq 24 – 9 June 1993 1.96 m (6 ft 5 in) KB Vëllaznimi Kosovo
PG 9 Berdica, Ervin 32 – 28 March 1985 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in) BC Vllaznia Albania
PG 10 Vaqarri, Majk 23 – 11 February 1994 1.82 m (6 ft 0 in) Kamza Basket Albania
PF 12 Gjyzeli, Abdel 24 – 24 February 1993 2.04 m (6 ft 8 in) KB Tirana Albania
C 14 Hysenagolli, Endrit 29 – 5 July 1988 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in) KB Tirana Albania
PF 15 Shima, Gerti 31 – 9 May 1986 2.04 m (6 ft 8 in) KB Tirana Albania
SG 19 Muca, Orlando 21 – 19 November 1995 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) Proteas Voulas Greece
PG 35 Dusha, Elvisi 23 – 15 July 1994 1.88 m (6 ft 2 in) Plymouth Raiders United Kingdom
PF 43 Moser, Michael 26 – 8 November 1990 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Pallacanestro Reggiana Italy
SG 70 Bushati, Franko 32 – 5 July 1985 1.87 m (6 ft 2 in) Germani Basket Brescia Italy
C 93 Haruni, Kledio 23 – 20 September 1993 2.02 m (6 ft 8 in) Esperos Lamias


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_men%27s_national_basketball_team

F/C 4 Gasol, Pau 37 – 6 June 1980 2.13 m (7 ft 0 in) San Antonio Spurs United States
PG 6 Rodríguez, Sergio 31 – 12 June 1986 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in) Philadelphia 76ers United States
SG 7 Navarro, Juan Carlos 37 – 13 June 1980 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) FC Barcelona Lassa Spain
PG 9 Rubio, Ricky 26 – 21 October 1990 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) Minnesota Timberwolves United States
C 13 Gasol, Marc 32 – 29 January 1985 2.16 m (7 ft 1 in) Memphis Grizzlies United States
C 14 Hernangómez, Willy 23 – 27 May 1994 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in) New York Knicks United States
G/F 15 Sastre, Joan 25 – 10 December 1991 2.04 m (6 ft 8 in) Valencia Basket Spain
PG 16 Vives, Guillem 24 – 16 June 1993 1.92 m (6 ft 4 in) Valencia Basket Spain
F/C 18 Oriola, Pierre 24 – 25 September 1992 2.06 m (6 ft 9 in) Valencia Basket Spain
G/F 19 San Emeterio, Fernando 33 – 1 January 1984 1.99 m (6 ft 6 in) Valencia Basket Spain
SF 21 Abrines, Álex 24 – 1 August 1993 1.98 m (6 ft 6 in) Oklahoma City Thunder United States
PF 41 Hernangómez, Juan 22 – 9 August 1995 2.06 m (6 ft 9 in) Denver Nuggets

[Laberia]

Indeed, the reason is because the Ottoman Empire made a complete mess out of the Balkans with hundreds of years of Arabo-Turkish settling, turning Tosks into an ethnicity with a culture, religion, behaviour and genetics that are alien and hostile to native neighbours and European civilization.
Someone who read your post can come to the conclusion that the one who wrote these words is an idiot. To illustrate your stupidity, you post some photos, of course cherrypicked, from Albania in year 1914. In year 1914 Albania was a poor country, liberated from two years from Ottoman occupation, invaded by different armies, first of all from the armies of our neighbours. And you accuse us for hostility versus our neighbours and European civilisation. It`s normal because you are an typical pordhu-gay, a retard. You post some photos to illustrate this savage Tosks, but you have illustrate only your psycopathy, because in of your photos there are no Tosk.

These are images of Albanian cities before communism, with the exception of some faces, everything is 100% alien to Europe:

1914


Ok.

Behind the Picture
'Spanish Village': W. Eugene Smith's Landmark Photo Essay
Ben Cosgrove
Mar 10, 2013
Originally published in the April 9, 1951, issue of LIFE magazine, W. Eugene Smith's photo essay, "Spanish Village," has been lauded for more than six decades as the most moving photographic portrait ever made of daily life in rural Spain during the rule of dictator Francisco Franco. But, as the years have passed, the most chilling image from the piece—the closed, hard faces of three members of Franco’s feared Guardia Civil—has been exalted to a point where the essays' other masterful, evocative pictures have been largely forgotten.

For countless people around the world, including photography buffs who really ought to know better, Smith's Guardia Civil photograph is the "Spanish Village" essay.
Here, LIFE.com presents "Spanish Village" in its entirety. Even as the faces in the essay's most famous picture evince the cruelty and arrogance often assumed by small men granted great power over others, other photographs illuminate the timeless rhythms of a small, isolated Spanish town of the last century, about which LIFE wrote: "It lives in ancient poverty and faith."

In the 1951 article that accompanied Smith's pictures, the magazine told its readers:

The village of Deleitosa, a place of about 2,300 peasant people, sits on the high, dry, western Spanish tableland called Estramadura, about halfway between Madrid and the border of Portugal. Its name means "delightful," which it no longer is, and its origins are obscure, though they may go back a thousand years to Spain's Moorish period. In any event it is very old and LIFE photographer Eugene Smith, wandering off the main road into the village, found that its ways had advanced little since medieval times.

Many Deleitosans have never seen a railroad because the nearest one is 25 miles away. Mail comes in by burro. The nearest telephone is 12 miles away in another town. Deleitosa's water system still consists of the sort of aqueducts and open wells from which villagers have drawn water for centuries . . . and the streets smell strongly of the villagers' donkeys and pigs.

[A] small movie theater, which shows some American films, sits among the sprinkling of little shops near the main square. But the village scene is dominated now as always by the high, brown structure of the 16th century church, the center of society in Catholic Deleitosa. And the lives of the villagers are dominated as always by the bare and brutal problems of subsistence. For Deleitosa, barren of history, unfavored by nature, reduced by wars, lives in poverty—a poverty shared by nearly all and relieved only by the seasonal work of the soil, and the faith that sustains most Deleitosans from the hour of First Communion until the simple funeral that marks one's end.
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/02_00768078.jpg?quality=85&w=433
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/03_00768082.jpg?quality=85&w=833
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/04_village06.jpg?quality=85&w=437
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/49/3b/8e/493b8ec6749d7689ea9a9214a362ffc2--eugene-smith-eugene-oneill.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/O7HFhpB.jpg
https://geografiamungia.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/deleitosa-14.png
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/05_32614f.jpg?quality=85&w=716
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/06_32614e.jpg?quality=85&w=701
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/09_village04.jpg?quality=85&w=426
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/10_00768081.jpg?quality=85&w=787
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/12_111368072.jpg?quality=85&w=437
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/13_32614b.jpg?quality=85&w=723
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/16_05897867.jpg?quality=85&w=396
Excuse me, what have to do with Europe this people? It`s year 1951, not 1914. It`s a free country, not an invaded country. It`s a country who for 500 years has stolen half of the world, not a country who for 450 years was under ottoman occupation. Excuse me, even pants for their kids didn` t had your ancestors?
Let see your country, pordhu-gay.
Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha, ComM (born 17 November 1986), commonly known as Nani (Portuguese pronunciation: [naˈni]) or Luís Nani,[5][6][7] is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a winger for Italian club Lazio, on loan from Valencia, and the Portugal national team. Although predominantly right-footed, he has been utilised on the left wing on many occasions.
He was raised by his aunt Antónia in the Santa Filomena estate in the Amadora district of Lisbon after being abandoned by his parents.[10] At the age of five, his father left for a holiday in Cape Verde but never returned and when he was 12 years old, his mother left Portugal to start a new life in the Netherlands.[10] Nani has nine siblings from his mother, of which he is the youngest, and five from his father.[11]

This is Santa Filomena estate in the Amadora district of Lisbon:
http://cdn.vladsokhin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/filomena_slum_01.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049350-0E607CCE00000578-933_468x297.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049350-0E607CD200000578-120_468x312.jpg
Look your ancestors as emigrants in France:
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/05/20/blogs/20rdv-portuguese-art/20rdv-portuguese-art-tmagArticle.jpg
Gérald Bloncourt's photograph of a Portuguese girl in a slum outside Paris in the 1960s.Credit Gérald Bloncourt

Excuse me, do you consider Europeans this people
https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/01_05897866.jpg?quality=85&w=732

[Laberia]

A happy pordh-ugese family:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fa97e4762-5509-11e7-869c-518339a19c7c.jpg?crop=610%2C914%2C187%2C5

[Hoxhaism]

Support Albanians to fuck the Serb pussies

Support for you to speak full english sentences, and to wipe out 'pussy' from your vocabulary.

[DarknessWin]

Support for you to speak full english sentences, and to wipe out 'pussy' from your vocabulary.

Who speak to you ugly bitch ???

[Hoxhaism]

Who speak to you ugly bitch ???

No one, as it is an open thread, just like no one asked for your statement.

[DarknessWin]

No one, as it is an open thread, just like no one asked for your statement.

fight like a girl, suck my cock

[Dinarid Warrior]

Indeed, the reason is because the Ottoman Empire made a complete mess out of the Balkans with hundreds of years of Arabo-Turkish settling, turning Tosks into an ethnicity with a culture, religion, behaviour and genetics that are alien and hostile to native neighbours and European civilization. These are images of Albanian cities before communism, with the exception of some faces, everything is 100% alien to Europe:

1914
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/db05317cd2bc4486b9c6986527b8c00b/albanian-men-with-the-magazine-die-woche-1914-h368pw.jpg

Dürres 1914
http://www.mapo.al/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/al1.jpg

Scutari 1914
https://cameraetruscablog.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/albania_scutari_street-1914-somerville.jpg

Tirana 1941
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1945_German-Wehrmacht/AH1945_4r_gr.jpg

http://www.albanianphotography.net/lambertz/index_htm_files/1210.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3745/9436728247_d9b937161a.jpg

http://www.archiviofotografico.societageografica.it/getImage.php?id=197&w=800&h=600&f=0&.jpg


Tosks and Gheg split happened way before Ottomans, it probably happened during Roman Empire, talk about failing hard.

Albanians are genetically native to the Balkans as shown by autosomal results and y chromosomes. While many South Slavs aren't as they show genetic affinity with Northern Slavs / East Europeans.


Those costumes and hats like plis are ancient costumes, some were also adopted from Ottoman and Roman influence, but who cares?


The Ottoman Empire didn't make any more mess than the Slavic empires that expanded into Albanian inhabited lands, the Byzantium empire or the Roman Empire.

Here you are just projecting your own phantasies. What is alien to Iberia or England doesn't make it Alien to the Balkans. Europe isn't some type of united country, but just a continent. You or Serbs are not any more privileged than others. You need to remember it was Slavs that migrated to the Balkans and found Albanians and Vlachs and not the other way around. Because they are both within the geographical area of Europe doesnt make it more right and the native population alien. Typical Iberian OWD mentality, not to mention the area of Iberia has the highest amount of North African ancestry for any European poulation and on average scores more Middle East than Albania also. This is going by ancestry DNA autosomal. Don't play the victim card and blame it on the Ottomans as you're obviously a propagandist.

If anything, Ottoman Empire arranged for the Serbs to expand in certain lands that they would of not held today probably, such as Republika Srpska and Vojvodina.

What is the reason behind the conflict is Serbian chauvunism and wanting to recreate Stefan Dusans empire and not the Ottomans. The fact you claim the latter demonstrates what a weasel minded clueless idiot you are. Before Ottoman Empire there were other empires in the Balkans expanding etc and waging war on eachother including the so called ''Serbian'' , what makes the Ottomans any more the perpetrators than those. Typical Iberian Nuthugging Chetnik mentality playing the victim card because some bigger dog came and beat you at your own game.



Most Albanian members of this forum are completely delusional and for some misterious reason like to project themselves as masters of the Universe. The taller mountain types (a small minority) are ethnically Montenegrins.



You realize humans have grown in height since 1914? I don't expect your Iberian Moor brain to comprehend that.


TheMountainsOfGiants (https://archive.org/details/TheMountainsOfGiants)

And thats I believe from the 19030s or something.



Ahhhhh those midgets Albanians xD





Spanish bastekball national team is much taller than the Albanian one. Where are those Albanian giants ? :ohwell:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain_men%27s_national_basketball_team

F/C 4 Gasol, Pau 37 – 6 June 1980 2.13 m (7 ft 0 in) San Antonio Spurs United States
PG 6 Rodríguez, Sergio 31 – 12 June 1986 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in) Philadelphia 76ers United States
SG 7 Navarro, Juan Carlos 37 – 13 June 1980 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) FC Barcelona Lassa Spain
PG 9 Rubio, Ricky 26 – 21 October 1990 1.93 m (6 ft 4 in) Minnesota Timberwolves United States
C 13 Gasol, Marc 32 – 29 January 1985 2.16 m (7 ft 1 in) Memphis Grizzlies United States
C 14 Hernangómez, Willy 23 – 27 May 1994 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in) New York Knicks United States
G/F 15 Sastre, Joan 25 – 10 December 1991 2.04 m (6 ft 8 in) Valencia Basket Spain
PG 16 Vives, Guillem 24 – 16 June 1993 1.92 m (6 ft 4 in) Valencia Basket Spain
F/C 18 Oriola, Pierre 24 – 25 September 1992 2.06 m (6 ft 9 in) Valencia Basket Spain
G/F 19 San Emeterio, Fernando 33 – 1 January 1984 1.99 m (6 ft 6 in) Valencia Basket Spain
SF 21 Abrines, Álex 24 – 1 August 1993 1.98 m (6 ft 6 in) Oklahoma City Thunder United States
PF 41 Hernangómez, Juan 22 – 9 August 1995 2.06 m (6 ft 9 in) Denver Nuggets


Compare it to average Kosovar



Pos. # Name Age – Date of birth Ht. Club Ctr.
SG 1 Hajdari, Arti 24 – 12 May 1993 1.90 m (6 ft 3 in) Peja Kosovo
SG 5 Kastrati, Erjon 22 – 30 December 1994 1.98 m (6 ft 6 in) Olimpija Ljubljana Slovenia
F 8 Veseli, Alban 27 – 10 January 1990 2.02 m (6 ft 8 in) Sigal Prishtina Kosovo
F 9 Rugova, Granit 31 – 13 November 1985 1.98 m (6 ft 6 in) Sigal Prishtina Kosovo
SG 11 Berisha, Dardan (C) 28 – 15 November 1988 1.91 m (6 ft 3 in) Sigal Prishtina Kosovo
F 12 Hajrizi, Drilon 26 – 17 January 1991 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Sigal Prishtina Kosovo
C 14 Zenelaj, Urim 26 – 17 June 1991 2.13 m (7 ft 0 in) Sigal Prishtina Kosovo
G/F 15 Bamforth, Scott 27 – 12 August 1989 1.88 m (6 ft 2 in) Dinamo Sassari Italy
C 18 Grosha, Ergin 24 – 7 January 1993 2.11 m (6 ft 11 in) Ylli Kosovo
F 21 Zekiqi, Samir 22 – 23 January 1995 2.02 m (6 ft 8 in) Trepça Kosovo
PG 23 Sina, Jaren 23 – 12 March 1994 1.88 m (6 ft 2 in) George Washington United States
F 24 Shoshi, Lis 23 – 29 June 1994 2.11 m (6 ft 11 in) Doxa Lefkadas Greece
F/C 34 Morina, Gëzim 24 – 12 December 1992 2.03 m (6 ft 8 in) Primorska Slovenia
PF 35 Rugova, Fisnik 27 – 26 August 1989 2.08 m (6 ft 10 in) Sigal Prishtina Kosovo
PG 55 Mekaj, Leonard 22 – 27 February 1995 1.82 m (6 ft 0 in) Peja Kosovo





Kosovar basketball team is taller on average from the looks of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_national_basketball_team



Here you can compare the average portoguese which is even shorter

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portugal_national_basketball_team


Not to mention that I saw Albanian members here post their height. Why don't you post yours? xD For sure not the midgets you make them out to be, but if they deny they are midgets that you portray them as your Moor brain seems to comprehend it as them claiming they are giants despite them posting proof of their height.


Albanians might not be giants and never claimed so but using arguements like ''Albanians are not tall so they cannot be Ilyrians '' isn't exactly an arguement and is what caused some Albanian members to demonstrate maybe that they are not as short since some of them are actually quite tall but your Iberian moor brain comprehends it as them claiming to be giants... besides , most y chromosomes that were found in the ancient remains of the Dinaric Alps are typical Albanian rather than South Slavic despite I2a1b South Slavs inhabiting the area pred.

[Dinarid Warrior]

Sorry must have been a confusion, I didn't talk about J2 at all.

J2b2 L283 and R1b l23, EV13 were found in the Dinaric Alps where today I2a1b peaks but I2a1b was never found. I hope that should give you a better picture of what I'm trying to say here.

If I2a1b was as common in thee ancient West Balkans / Dinaric Alps as it is today surely there should of been found something instead of y chromosomes that are a minority there today but somehow peak in the Albanian population.

This adds more evidence to the geneticist Ken Nordtvedts work that already demonstrated it expanded 1500 years ago ca. from Ukraine/Poland.. and that its high frequency today in the Dinaric Alps is a founder effect after having settled basically. Not to mention I saw some of his work where it basically showed ancestral clade of I2a1b Din found around Poland.


It is really simple logic.

[Sebastianus Rex]

@Liberia and Turkic Warrior two deluded fools that ware obviously so insecure and butthurt to even make extremely long posts to basically say nothing...blah, blah, blah.

Regarding genetic tests we are obviously very far from having a decent idea about the population as a whole since not even 0.1% of the populations were tested. It's obvious that by looking at these Albanian pics (more specifically muslim ones) that is mostly an Arabo-Turkic population, but you can go on living in denial while everyone else sees it:

Gigantic hook noses on most of these men (clearly middle eastern phenotypes)

http://www.albanianhistory.net/1945_German-Wehrmacht/AH1945_4r_gr.jpg

http://www.forumishqiptar.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=148350&stc=1&d=1315720361

http://www.albanianhistory.net/1890_Berard/image05.jpg

Here, overwhelmingly Turkic / mongolid influenced types, if anyone says that can make a distinction between this and a picture of a Turkish crowd (apart from you two butthurts) I'd consider it trolling:
http://www.mapo.al/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/al1.jpg


Those pictures you posted about a Spanish village just reveals how pathetic and intelectually dishonest you are, there was indeed alot of poor people in rural Spain after the Civil War that totally destoyed the country but anyone with a normal IQ doesn't mistake looking poor and rural with having turkish clothes, turkish faces, arabo-turkish culture and an arab religion.

And by the way nice cherrypicking of posting the most miserable among that already poor village. The average of that village was this:
https://cdn27.hiberus.com/uploads/imagenes/bajacalidad/2016/08/24/_carlossaura01_64e9336d.jpg?c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f 89cc14862c

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-prF-ce4ExGM/Ul68aM0_S6I/AAAAAAAAC-g/jf0Slqfy9uM/s1600/eugene+smith+12.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/zvq7o1.png

https://ojosdelguadiana.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/eugene-smith-deleitosa-caceres.jpg?w=510

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-l_OQJTGi4wg/Ul69CB8eoRI/AAAAAAAAC-o/Eazqv81_WR4/s1600/eugene+smith+13.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cKFoMWbWPlY/UZ6hgSGPPQI/AAAAAAAAAgE/SbexleQMMGQ/s1600/partida.jpg

Bottom line, these images could be pretty much from any rural southern European region of that period, we see poor rural people with european faces, european clothes, european culture and european religion, anyone normal identitifes these images with southern Europe.

While in these pictures can only be identified with Turkey or somewhere in the Middle-East, never with Europe and you both of you know it:

http://thealbanianjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Albanians.jpg

http://www.albanianhistory.net/1890_Berard/image05.jpg

1914
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/db05317cd2bc4486b9c6986527b8c00b/albanian-men-with-the-magazine-die-woche-1914-h368pw.jpg

Dürres 1914
http://www.mapo.al/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/al1.jpg

Scutari 1914
https://cameraetruscablog.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/albania_scutari_street-1914-somerville.jpg

Tirana 1941
http://www.albanianhistory.net/1945_German-Wehrmacht/AH1945_4r_gr.jpg

http://www.albanianphotography.net/lambertz/index_htm_files/1210.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3745/9436728247_d9b937161a.jpg

[Sebastianus Rex]

You realize humans have grown in height since 1914? I don't expect your Iberian Moor brain to comprehend that.

Why are you talking about brains Arabic Warrior ? The average IQ in your country is 10-14 points lower than in mine, deluded turkish fart. :thumb001:



Ahhhhh those midgets Albanians xD





Compare it to average Kosovar




Kosovar basketball team is taller on average from the looks of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_national_basketball_team


The typical shit produced by low IQ Albanian brains on this forum. Wrong again idiot, you can check as I did the average height of those two teams and the Spanish average is 201,6 cm while the Kosovar average is 199,2 cm.

[Pigling]

Albanians stole Kosovo and they are middle eastern scum

Not true.

Unfortunately, our culture is more degenerated than theirs.

Our women run from motherhood like devil from cross, while Albanian women are more traditional.

Kosovo Serbs sold their properties to Albanians, some of them even went to West, because they want ultra-urban pussy lifestyle and didn't wanted to stay with their homeland.

I think we shouldn't blame others, but rather be honest to ourselves.

There's no historical lands.

If so, then all humans should back to Africa.

We can get back Kosovo, if we make all diaspora Serbs return and buy land from Albanians.

It's simple as that.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Let see your country, pordhu-gay.
Luís Carlos Almeida da Cunha, ComM (born 17 November 1986), commonly known as Nani (Portuguese pronunciation: [naˈni]) or Luís Nani,[5][6][7] is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a winger for Italian club Lazio, on loan from Valencia, and the Portugal national team. Although predominantly right-footed, he has been utilised on the left wing on many occasions.
He was raised by his aunt Antónia in the Santa Filomena estate in the Amadora district of Lisbon after being abandoned by his parents.[10] At the age of five, his father left for a holiday in Cape Verde but never returned and when he was 12 years old, his mother left Portugal to start a new life in the Netherlands.[10] Nani has nine siblings from his mother, of which he is the youngest, and five from his father.[11]

This is Santa Filomena estate in the Amadora district of Lisbon:
http://cdn.vladsokhin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/filomena_slum_01.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049350-0E607CCE00000578-933_468x297.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/14/article-2049350-0E607CD200000578-120_468x312.jpg
[/B]


Stupid deluded troll, wake the fuck up, I'm posting about YOUR people with their Turkish looks, Turkish culture and Arabic religion, while you counter by posting about AFRICAN immigrants in Portugal. :pound: How more pathetic and intelectually low can you still go ?

[Сербо Макеридов]

Not true.

Unfortunately, our culture is more degenerated than theirs.

Our women run from motherhood like devil from cross, while Albanian women are more traditional.

Kosovo Serbs sold their properties to Albanians, some of them even went to West, because they want ultra-urban pussy lifestyle and didn't wanted to stay with their homeland.

I think we shouldn't blame others, but rather be honest to ourselves.

There's no historical lands.

If so, then all humans should back to Africa.

We can get back Kosovo, if we make all diaspora Serbs return and buy land from Albanians.

It's simple as that.

Analbanian are aliens in Kosovo and in Europe.

Typical ugly semi-Levantine/Caucasian Analbanian face

https://rs-lat.sputniknews.com/images/110689/22/1106892215.jpg

[Сербо Макеридов]

Albanian cultural heritage in Kosovo does not exist, in Kosovo only exist Serbian (Orthodox) and Ottoman (Islamic) cultural heritage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Serbian_heritage_in_Kosovo


https://youtu.be/N2EFFBpoOu4

https://youtu.be/aHSav7TbYBM

Albanians came to Kosovo in 18th and 19th century, they were being brought by Ottomans, in Middle Age 99% of population of Kosovo were Serbs.

Analbanian Kebab monkeys must be removed from the Balkans.

[Laberia]

Stupid deluded troll, wake the fuck up, I'm posting about YOUR people with their Turkish looks, Turkish culture and Arabic religion, while you counter by posting about AFRICAN immigrants in Portugal. :pound: How more pathetic and intelectually low can you still go ?

You posted Albanians of year 1914 in traditional dresses. There was nothing strange. To you, because you are ignorant, those dresses looks strange, not Europeans, etc. We have our traditional dresses our costumes that are unique. Our language is unique, not similar to any other language. Because you don`t understand it, this don`t mean that this is not an European language. But all those people were dressed, not like the spaniards, without pants in the ass in year 1951.
You can continue this game of photos and i am not going to follow in your stupidity. Fight the inferiority complex, characheristic of your penisula and learn, don`t die ignorant.

[Laberia]

Not true.

Unfortunately, our culture is more degenerated than theirs.

Our women run from motherhood like devil from cross, while Albanian women are more traditional.

Kosovo Serbs sold their properties to Albanians, some of them even went to West, because they want ultra-urban pussy lifestyle and didn't wanted to stay with their homeland.

I think we shouldn't blame others, but rather be honest to ourselves.

There's no historical lands.

If so, then all humans should back to Africa.

We can get back Kosovo, if we make all diaspora Serbs return and buy land from Albanians.

It's simple as that.

I have an question and i want an sincere answer. Your people, when Kosova was still part of your country, accepted to live with Albanians in a common state?

[Pigling]

Analbanian are aliens in Kosovo and in Europe.

Typical semi-Levantine/Caucasian Analbanian


It's true that Albanians have high amount of Middle Eastern/Caucasian admixture, even 1-2% SSA DNA on average, but it's our failure we lost our lands as same as it's Westerners fault they're losing their homelands to Africans and Asians.

Barbarian culture is always superior to civilized ones.

That's why poor people usually reproduce more than wealthier.

[Laberia]

It's true that Albanians have high amount of Middle Eastern/Caucasian admixture, even 1-2% SSA DNA on average, but it's our failure we lost our lands as same as it's Westerners fault they're losing their homelands to Africans and Asians.

Barbarian culture is always superior to civilized ones.

That's why poor people usually reproduce more than wealthier.
Are you refering to this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SANU_Memorandum)?

[Сербо Макеридов]

It's true that Albanians have high amount of Middle Eastern/Caucasian admixture, even 1-2% SSA DNA on average, but it's our failure we lost our lands as same as it's Westerners fault they're losing their homelands to Africans and Asians.

Barbarian culture is always superior to civilized ones.

That's why poor people usually reproduce more than wealthier.

Analbanians can only dream about this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Serbian_scientists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian_Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihajlo_Pupin

I'd rather kill myself than my dauther or sister married to the Analbanian.

[Linebacker]

In very short text - Albenionian are mad because after the fall of Yugoslavia Serbs held a powerful military and started to gun for more land.

This resulted in quick defeat of Albenionian and attempts of genocide towards them and their goats.

To which NATO said no and stopped the Serbs and guaranteed goat independence in the future.

[wvwvw]

In very short text - Albenionian are mad because after the fall of Yugoslavia Serbs held a powerful military and started to gun for more land.

This resulted in quick defeat of Albenionian and attempts of genocide towards them and their goats.

To which NATO said no and stopped the Serbs and guaranteed goat independence in the future.

Beware the day the Turkogypsies of Turkey seek secession for the Turks in Bulgaria and Western Thrace.

[Linebacker]

Beware the day the Turkogypsies of Turkey seek secession for the Turks in Bulgaria and Western Thrace.

What if we decide to demand Tsarigrad back and Putin and Trump think that is a great idea?

[Drawing-slim]

In very short text - Albenionian are mad because after the fall of Yugoslavia Serbs held a powerful military and started to gun for more land.

This resulted in quick defeat of Albenionian and attempts of genocide towards them and their goats.

To which NATO said no and stopped the Serbs and guaranteed goat independence in the future.You're a liar.
The truth is albanians plaid the best war game strategy ever in history. We let the serbs and their military establish a very bad image of themselves in the world during previous conflict in croatia and bosnia then we picked the perfect time to move in a take Kosovo. I still cant believe how brilliantly and smoothly we took kosovo from serbia,lol

[Pigling]

Analbanians can only dream about this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Serbian_scientists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian_Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihajlo_Pupin

I'd rather kill myself than my dauther or sister married to the Analbanian.

We should get out of prasetina i rakija and do something for real.

Like making our women mothers of our children.

"God" isn't Serb and he won't help us.

We're responsible for our future.

Even if there is monotheistic deity described in Bible, most Serbs aren't religious nor faithful at all.

I think we should worship our women, our own culture, our blood, not our individual beings.

If we continue like that soon we won't exist.

[Sebastianus Rex]

You posted Albanians of year 1914 in traditional dresses. There was nothing strange. To you, because you are ignorant, those dresses looks strange, not Europeans, etc. We have our traditional dresses our costumes that are unique. Our language is unique, not similar to any other language.

They are not unique stupid, they are Turkish dresses. Want us make believe that turbans were used before the Ottoman rule and islamization of Albania ?! :rolleyes:

http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/db05317cd2bc4486b9c6986527b8c00b/albanian-men-with-the-magazine-die-woche-1914-h368pw.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3745/9436728247_d9b937161a.jpg

http://www.albanianhistory.net/1945_German-Wehrmacht/AH1945_4r_gr.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/34/df/7f/34df7fdce5d8e77e1f77710ca9c75703--albanian-culture-clothing-styles.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/63/c4/6763c451c311fd7b490ee45ea4081ce1.jpg

Turkish (same shit, just the colors change a bit)

http://www.turkishcoffee.us/images/5.jpg

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/turkish-women-traditional-dress-young-old-outdoors-sunlight-56808475.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7f/a6/7e/7fa67e52ad209af4a4e0c5593d3e8e39--armenian-men-armenian-culture.jpg

[Сербо Макеридов]

We should get out of prasetina i rakija and do something for real.

Like making our women mothers of our children.

"God" isn't Serb and he won't help us.

We're responsible for our future.

Even if there is monotheistic deity described in Bible, most Serbs aren't religious nor faithful at all.

I think we should worship our women, our own culture, our blood, not our individual beings.

If we continue like that soon we won't exist.

I agree with you.

I do not like the fact that in last 10 years many Serbian villagers from Raška, southern and parts of central Serbia (near Kosovo) married to Albanian women, something is hiding behind it.

[Linebacker]

You're a liar.

Yes I know truth in Albania is called lie and lie is called truth.

[Drawing-slim]

Analbanians can only dream about this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Serbian_scientists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian_Americans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihajlo_Pupin

I'd rather kill myself than my dauther or sister married to the Analbanian.losers.
Serbia has had university for 1000 years while albania has had one for only 70 years and today we produce more scientists more physicists in one yar than serbia in 1000 years.

[Laberia]

losers.
Serbia has had university for 1000 years while albania has had one for only 70 years and today we produce more scientists more physicists in one yar than serbia in 1000 years.

University for 1.000 years? What is this BS?
BTW, the most important scientific discovery in world history is Albanian.

[Sebastianus Rex]

BTW, the most important scientific discovery in world history is Albanian.

Due to the lack of basic sanitation and toilets in their homeland, for the Albanian brain:

"most important scientific discovery in world history" = discovery of the squatting defecation posture. :lightbul:

http://thecomeup.com/backend/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/fbmbmx.jpeg

[Laberia]

Due to the lack of basic sanitation and toilets in their homeland, for the Albanian brain:

"most important scientific discovery in world history" = discovery of the squatting defecation posture. :lightbul:

http://thecomeup.com/backend/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/fbmbmx.jpeg

To me he looks a typical Iberian, seriously.
BTW, the most important scientific discovery in the world history is Albanian.

[Robocop]

The main reason is: THE APRICITY.

:D

[Div]

The main reason is that Serbians are Europeans with European culture while Albanians are Middle Eastern with an Afro-Muslim culture, IMHO.

IMHO You should not post anything on this forum you putrid cunt.

[Cristiano viejo]

IMHO You should not post anything on this forum you putrid cunt.

Talk with Loki. I mean, with NATO. But dont cry me, ok?

[Laberia]

IMHO You should not post anything on this forum you putrid cunt.

Don't feed the gypsy, leave him barking like a dog.

[Cristiano viejo]

Don't feed the gypsy, leave him barking like a dog.

Classify please
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?223966-Classify-Albanian-footballer-Rey-Manaj-who-plays-in-Spain

[Drawing-slim]

BTW, the most important scientific discovery in world history is Albanian.
What is it?

[Diocleatian204]

The main reason is that Serbians are Europeans with European culture while Albanians are Middle Eastern with an Afro-Muslim culture, IMHO.

yeah, just because Serbs are Christians that makes them European while Albanians are Muslims make them Middle Eastern. You're a Stupid Neo-Nazi White Supremacist Christian Fundementalist Idiot from Stromfront/BeerBarell.

[Diocleatian204]

Most dominant haplogroups among Albanians are North-African E1b, and Anatolian-Caucasian J2b2, genetic is proof that they are not native in Europe.

E1b is Neolitic and was there since the Stone Age.

[Teutone]

Kosovo Albanians appear to be muslim wannabe arab cavemen, hard to live in coexistence with people like that.
Also its a historical serbian region that faced heavy islamization, Kosovo seems to be a blueprint of what happens to parts of Sweden,Germany,France and UK today.

[Diocleatian204]

Kosovo Albanians appear to be muslim wannabe arab cavemen, hard to live in coexistence with people like that.
Also its a historical serbian region that faced heavy islamization, Kosovo seems to be a blueprint of what happens to parts of Sweden,Germany,France and UK today.

No, You Fucking Idiot. Kosovo is not a Blueprint of What Happening in Sweden, Germany, France and UK. There is No Islamic Terrorism and Muslim Rapes in Kosovo, Most of the Rapes in Kosovo are Committed by the Gypsies both the Muslims and the Christian ones.

That's a Propaganda of Tommy Robinson, PEGIDA, Britain First and EDL.

[Diocleatian204]

Jesus, Albanians get Insulted and Attacked in Every Forum and Social media. Albanians are not Drug/Organ Traffickers, Rapists, Child Groomers, Muslim Extremists and etc.

[ЛыSSый]

no reasons. they both just like to fight

[ЛыSSый]

Jesus, Albanians get Insulted and Attacked in Every Forum and Social media. Albanians are not Drug/Organ Traffickers, Rapists, Child Groomers, Muslim Extremists and etc.

stop offence albos and try to deny theirs glory.

[Diocleatian204]

stop offence albos and try to deny theirs glory.

I Don't Deny it, but these Groups makes the Small minority of Albanians.

[Dick]

no reasons. they both just like to fight

Little bald bro, what do you want for a new year's present?

[Laberia]

I Don't Deny it, but these Groups makes the Small minority of Albanians.

Someone from the mods ban this servian whore.

[Diocleatian204]

Someone from the mods ban this servian whore.

une nuk jam serb o njeri retard, ti nuk e din fakt.

[Bosniensis]

All territorial disputes on Balkans are CREATED by JEWMERICA.

Serbians and Albanians never had disputes in history, actually both cooperated very well, had marriages and everything.

Only after USA become superpower they started creating hostilities all around the world.

Balkan people need to Rise above USA trickery.

[Laberia]

All territorial disputes on Balkans are CREATED by JEWMERICA.

Serbians and Albanians never had disputes in history, actually both cooperated very well, had marriages and everything.

Only after USA become superpower they started creating hostilities all around the world.

Balkan people need to Rise above USA trickery.

Where do you have read this crap? The USA are the last player in this region. Were the others who decided the borders here. Read some books and don't forget that were the USA who saved your Roman ass.

[Gold-Shekel]

Simple, Serbs want to create a Serb empire through violence and genocide but Albanians were in their way and they didn't let themselves be killed, fought back, established Kosova as an Albanian independant state which makes Serbs angry.


Where do you have read this crap? The USA are the last player in this region. Were the others who decided the borders here. Read some books and don't forget that were the USA who saved your Roman ass.

Don't pay attention, he's half-Serb and he's identifying as Bosnian because Serbia rejected him Serbian nationality, creating an identity crisis for him.

[Laberia]

Simple, Serbs want to create a Serb empire through violence and genocide but Albanians were in their way and they didn't let themselves be killed, fought back, established Kosova as an Albanian independant state which makes Serbs angry.



Don't pay attention, he's half-Serb and he's identifying as Bosnian because Serbia rejected him Serbian nationality, creating an identity crisis for him.

This is really interesting, a muslim servian. There are many like him and how did they survived?

[Bosniensis]

This is really interesting, a muslim servian. There are many like him and how did they survived?

Mehmed Paša Sokolović was Serbian,
Omer Paša Latas was Serbian,
and many many others...

There are 2 mil Serbs in Turkey..

But modern Politics is concentrated around Orthodox Church and Russia so they don't want to mention muslims, they have done everything
to destroy Serbian muslim populace.

I call myself Bosnian/Bosniak but that's incorrect cause we have confirmed Serbian background and everything.

So there is no identity crisis, imagine if Albanian Catholics were prosecuted by Albanian Government, what would you do?

It's politics, silly politics.

[Vlatko Vukovic]

Where do you have read this crap? The USA are the last player in this region. Were the others who decided the borders here. Read some books and don't forget that were the USA who saved your Roman ass.

Saved from who?

[Kouros]

Classify please
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?223966-Classify-Albanian-footballer-Rey-Manaj-who-plays-in-Spain

From Laberia's region too, born and raised :rolleyes:

[Gold-Shekel]

This is really interesting, a muslim servian. There are many like him and how did they survived?

Hard to say, but he's blaming Bosniaks civilians for the last war. Saying shit like "Serbs wanted to exterminate Bosniaks but it's okay because they were provoked by a book". I guess he's just lucky Bosniaks are more tolerant than Serbs.

He says he's Serb because there was some inter-ethnic mariage happening in his family tree.

[Laberia]

Saved from who?

From the aliens.

[Bosniensis]

From the aliens.

:rotfl::rotfl:

[Laberia]

From Laberia's region too, born and raised :rolleyes:

Hey, asiatic gypsy, you want me to continue with the movie? Get the hell out of my face you rat of Anadoll.

[Bosniensis]

From Laberia's region too, born and raised :rolleyes:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220292-Should-Greek-mainlanders-CASTRATE-Cretans

If half of those pictures that Turk posted are true then you are not the one who should point at albanians.. xD xD xD

[ЛыSSый]

So, how i've noticed about those albos, who are from cosovo, and which grands for centuries lived with serbs, so, these albos have most civiliced behavour and even may pass as civiliced people.


I Don't Deny it, but these Groups makes the Small minority of Albanians.

Let me promt: you should promise you'll eat my liver. Ask someone (Laberia, for example) for list of everyday albanian phrases or just find posts of Castriotti1488 and randomly quote ones.


Little bald bro oh, little bro, be careful and stop try to being bigger than you are, i'm worry about your weak health.


what do you want for a new year's present? Unfortunately you're westernzed too much for send me a car, moto, 3 kilos of stolen smartphones or even invitations in canada for some dozens of my relatives, so i ask you shoot and post in "members pictures" thread movie of your nude dance in best traditions of czech porn.

[Drawing-slim]

Serbs hate albanians for their whitest skin in southern europe. Its a legit hate you can argue.

[Tomorr]

...

traditional costumes from north africa, excuse me i mean portugal

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2a/22/d1/2a22d1a80dc1d15e497ed2881382c04e.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/80/30/9a80300d875b58069e628a0a5344af5c.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/1d/f3/8b1df32324032e506fc113ebe1aecb85.jpg

Just like moorish costumes just different color, am i right?

https://www.pri.org/stories/2010-09-18/islamic-heritage-portugals-past

The Portuguese language is peppered with words of Arabic origin, often those relating to food, farming and manual work. One commonly used is oxalá - a direct descendent of insha’Allah, the term meaning “God willing.”

“If by magic it was possible to wipe out all the remnants of the Arab legacy from today’s Portugal, our ethnic, cultural, physical and human landscape would be completely different,” writes Adalberto Alves, the country’s best-known expert in the field.

“We might be blond instead of dark, we’d stop speaking the Arabized-Latin that we call Portuguese and we’d loose over a thousand words from our dictionaries. So many of our villages and towns would no longer exist or have to change their names. We wouldn’t know how to name the things we grow and eat. What would we call Jasmin, oranges, dates and pomegranates?”

I can understand your frustration that you iberians are a weak race prone to assimilation, first with the romans who romanized you then the moors who heavily influenced you. So i should forgive you for that. But do not continue spreading bullshit about Albanians because you have inferiority complexes.

[Kouros]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220292-Should-Greek-mainlanders-CASTRATE-Cretans

If half of those pictures that Turk posted are true then you are not the one who should point at albanians.. xD xD xD

I never pointed at Albanians. All I said is that he was a Lab. Most of those Cretans that "Scythian" posted are gypsies. Anyways, you are an embarassed Slav so your opinion here is of the least worth. At least Laberia takes pride in his gypsy ancestry and doesn't deflect to some other ethnicity.

[Bosniensis]

I never pointed at Albanians. All I said is that he was a Lab. Most of those Cretans that "Scythian" posted are gypsies. Anyways, you are an embarassed Slav so your opinion here is of the least worth. At least Laberia takes pride in his gypsy ancestry and doesn't deflect to some other ethnicity.

I can't be embarrassed Slav, cause I am not Slav, nor anyone in my family thinks so...

I have a Great opinion of Slavs, wonderful people who have contributed a lot in modern history. (like Russia)

Why would my opinion be the least worth? Cause I had some questions regarding my ancestry before? ... Take is as you like, but your people have a lot of MENA influence down there in south, much more than we have so it's funny
to see Greek talking negatively to their northern neighbors.

[Kouros]

I can't be embarrassed Slav, cause I am not Slav, nor anyone in my family thinks so...

You are genetically, linguistically, anthropologically, culturally, and historically Slavic. Pretending you are Black or Indian won't change anything.


Take is as you like, but your people have a lot of MENA influence down there in south, much more than we have so it's funny

We don't. Bring me genetic studies that say so.


It's funny
to see Greek talking negatively to their northern neighbors.

I've never talked negatively to any "northern neighbour". You, individually, are an idiot. Same goes with other idiots on here, I never attack whole ethnicities.

And you really think I have the same opinion of Bosnians as I do some Thracian-wannabe retard on apricity? Get over yourself.


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% Ukrainian @ 2.820392


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +25% Ukrainian +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.136645


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Greek + Greek + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.136645
2 Bulgarian + Greek + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.237615
3 Greek + Greek + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.292398
4 Croatian + Erzya + Greek + Greek_Thessaly @ 2.311017
5 Central_Greek + Greek + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.334818
6 Bulgarian + Greek + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.350666
7 Central_Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.425618
8 Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian @ 2.433014
9 Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Erzya @ 2.480399
10 Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.482334
11 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek + South_Polish @ 2.500289
12 Croatian + Erzya + Greek + Greek @ 2.516266
13 Greek + Greek + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 2.538654
14 Central_Greek + Erzya + Greek + Ukrainian @ 2.545602
15 Bulgarian + Central_Greek + Croatian + Erzya @ 2.545655
16 Greek + Greek + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.591215
17 Erzya + Greek + Greek + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.613297
18 Central_Greek + Greek + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.616590
19 Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.618500
20 Croatian + Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.619467

Are these not your GEDmatch results? :rolleyes: The Graeco-Slav is strong with this one...

[Laberia]

I never pointed at Albanians. All I said is that he was a Lab. Most of those Cretans that "Scythian" posted are gypsies. Anyways, you are an embarassed Slav so your opinion here is of the least worth. At least Laberia takes pride in his gypsy ancestry and doesn't deflect to some other ethnicity.

Ugly and deformed asiatic scum, Rei Manaj is not Lab, but i have no problem even if he was.

[Kouros]

I can't be embarrassed Slav, cause I am not Slav, nor anyone in my family thinks so...

I have a Great opinion of Slavs, wonderful people who have contributed a lot in modern history. (like Russia)

Why would my opinion be the least worth? Cause I had some questions regarding my ancestry before? ... Take is as you like, but your people have a lot of MENA influence down there in south, much more than we have so it's funny
to see Greek talking negatively to their northern neighbors.

And from what I've gathered from your posts you treat Albanians on here like some completely alien people. Just shut up.

[Kouros]

Ugly and deformed asiatic scum, Rei Manaj is not Lab, but i have no problem even if he was.

You are correct that is my fault fellow gypsy

[Laberia]

You are correct that is my fault fellow gypsy

And you are an asiatic garbage who pretend to be the descendant of Plato. Oh my God.

[Kouros]

And you are an asiatic garbage who pretend to be the descendant of Plato. Oh my God.

Never said such a thing, Pyrrhus of Shqiperia, you broken parrot. Meanwhile, your biggest fear is an ancestry test... :picard1:

[Voskos]

Someone call the Dog Whisperer.

[Laberia]

Never said such a thing, Pyrrhus of Shqiperia, you broken parrot. Meanwhile, your biggest fear is an ancestry test... :picard1:

OK. Are you happy? Now, out of my face gypsy.

[Cristiano viejo]

Never said such a thing, Pyrrhus of Shqiperia, you broken parrot. Meanwhile, your biggest fear is an ancestry test... :picard1:

Pyrrhus of Shqiperia... hahaha, that made me laugh xD
Let Albrownians to seem whites 2300 years ago at least... :laugh:

[Gold-Shekel]

Pyrrhus of Shqiperia... hahaha, that made me laugh xD
Let Albrownians to seem whites 2300 years ago at least... :laugh:

The question is: What is the main reason of the viejo-Albanian conflict.

[Diocleatian204]

Pyrrhus of Shqiperia... hahaha, that made me laugh xD
Let Albrownians to seem whites 2300 years ago at least... :laugh:

you see you're a neo-nazi from Stormfront because you calling albrownians which is a term used by neo-nazi white supremacist trolls in stormfront towards us. we albanians are white and we are the fore fathers of all the white race.

[Laberia]

The question is: What is the main reason of the viejo-Albanian conflict.

Complex of inferiority. His people are seen as cigan or moors by the rest of the Europeans, especially those of North Europe. Albanians are a small nation and less known by the Europeans. Also, part of Albanians are Muslims and you know that especially in the last years Europe is sensitive towards Islam. In the fucked brain of Viejo and some subhumans like him, this is the perfect occasion to play the role of the Christian knight, the defender of Christian Europe, etc. But the idiot don't understand that again he is just a cigan, a clown, a source of humor. Dumb Retard Cabron della Merda, the Moorish Defender of White Europe. That's it.

[Cristiano viejo]

The question is: What is the main reason of the viejo-Albanian conflict.

Albanian criminals in Spain, that is the reason.

[Gold-Shekel]

Albanian criminals in Spain, that is the reason.


Complex of inferiority. His people are seen as cigan or moors by the rest of the Europeans, especially those of North Europe. Albanians are a small nation and less known by the Europeans. Also, part of Albanians are Muslims and you know that especially in the last years Europe is sensitive towards Islam. In the fucked brain of Viejo and some subhumans like him, this is the perfect occasion to play the role of the Christian knight, the defender of Christian Europe, etc. But the idiot don't understand that again he is just a cigan, a clown, a source of humor. Dumb Retard Cabron della Merda, the Moorish Defender of White Europe. That's it.

Thanks for the explanation guys. :thumb001:

[RenaRyuguu]

It is a religious conflict we were too nice to Albanians

[Robocop]

Well main reason is that Serbs and Albanians exist near each others.

[Phenix]

Well main reason is that Serbs and Albanians exist near each others.

Unironically this.

[Roy]

Because Kosovo je Srbija, they say, I guess? :rolleyes:

[sean]

It is a religious conflict we were too nice to Albanians

Go back in time and tell your great-great Serbo-Turkish grandfather that you have been spamming some online anthroboard constantly and he'll smack you in the face and tell you to get a job lel.

[RenaRyuguu]

Go back in time and tell your great-great Serbo-Turkish grandfather that you have been spamming some online anthroboard constantly and he'll smack you in the face and tell you to get a job lel.

I'm not Turkish others are

[PaleoEuropean]

Well main reason is that Serbs and Albanians exist near each others.

True I hate most people that exist near me.

[RenaRyuguu]

Go back in time and tell your great-great Serbo-Turkish grandfather that you have been spamming some online anthroboard constantly and he'll smack you in the face and tell you to get a job lel.

Here are my results

https://i.imgur.com/FroFUsP.png

https://i.imgur.com/mmiwXEC.png

https://i.imgur.com/UMW2CBN.png

https://i.imgur.com/7Bip61c.png

https://i.imgur.com/AJoweWu.png

https://i.imgur.com/lPn2NtF.png

[sean]

Here are my results

https://i.imgur.com/FroFUsP.png

https://i.imgur.com/mmiwXEC.png

https://i.imgur.com/UMW2CBN.png

https://i.imgur.com/7Bip61c.png

https://i.imgur.com/AJoweWu.png

https://i.imgur.com/lPn2NtF.png

2.80 Asia. Turks are Asiatic lel.

[RenaRyuguu]

2.80 Asia. Turks are Asiatic lel.

That's nothing compared to some Serbs and that's not Turk that's like idk old European stock that got wiped out but it scores that way there.

Here's my 23andme:

https://i.imgur.com/6roQ4K4.png

https://i.imgur.com/z0q5SrE.png

Show me your 23andme and 24genetics

yourmyheritage and your mtdna and y dna and then we can discuss if I am Turk

[sean]

Show me your 23andme and 24genetics

yourmyheritage and your mtdna and y dna and then we can discuss if I am Turk

Haven't tested yet.

[RenaRyuguu]

Haven't tested yet.

I recommend this one it will tell you all you need to know

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?296852-GPS-Origins-Homedna-com-Pinpoint-your-ancestry-a-1000-years-back&highlight=homedna

[Zrinski]

The main reason is the 19th-century nationalism in which everyone tried to prove they were older, bigger, better and so on to have the "right" on specific territory or population. The culprits are the Serbs with their fantasies about the short-lived Serbian Empire, Kosovo Myth, and Greater Serbia.

[TheMaestro]

Both impulsive, both retarted, both patriots.

[sean]

Animals kill each other over territory. Monkeys and apes have wars with each other, so do most animals have some sort of conflicts. We shouldn't prevent animals from fighting each other if it's in their nature to do so. Just let it be, and if you're around to watch that's even better.

The whole conflict was a fun experiment for the United States after the fall of the Berlin Wall to see what else NATO could do now that the USSR did not exist. It was also a great way to pay back campaign contributors to the Democratic Party by giving them the mines in Kosovo and Serbia. The only ones that kept these animals at bay in the past was Austria.

[Aldaris]

Just as I've expected. From sniveling on Loki's e-mail to this. How pathetic.

[Robocop]

The reason is; they exist on same planet

[sean]

The reason is; they exist on same planet


Well main reason is that Serbs and Albanians exist near each others.

Yea, I can see that lel.

You repeat the same thing, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

[Robocop]

Yea, I can see that lel.

You repeat the same thing, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

And ppl agrees. I think if Serbs would live on Mars then Albanians would claim Mars as the old Illyrian land.

[sean]

And ppl agrees. I think if Serbs would live on Mars then Albanians would claim Mars as the old Illyrian land.

The Balkan countries are pretty irrelevant as individual countries. You were better as Yugoslavia though.

[Aldaris]

Fractal, have you fallen so far? :puppy_dp:

[Odin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqqO3wun34k

[valentinavalley2]

Because Kosovo je Srbija, they say, I guess? :rolleyes:

Serbs already have a homeland in Ukraine-Russia.


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