I think that feminism should be renamed.

[Hoxhaism]

Perhaps something along the lines of common sense idk.

[Hoxhaism]

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http://images.indianexpress.com/2016/10/fem18.jpg?w=820

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[Hoxhaism]

https://lolfeminist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pdd-nice-guy.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/2c/f8/ed2cf850a0e2b2cd98e9f08525b1c0ff.jpg

[Hadouken]

do you feel treated unfairly ? if yes why ?

[Arduti]

Feminism = female chauvinism

Not better than male chauvinism

No thank you

[crazyladybutterfly]

https://lolfeminist.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/pdd-nice-guy.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ed/2c/f8/ed2cf850a0e2b2cd98e9f08525b1c0ff.jpg

a true feminist wouldnt have drawn this

[Hoxhaism]

do you feel treated unfairly ? if yes why ?

I think women in other parts of the world are certainly being treated unfairly, yes, and i will think so until all the red/orange/yellow nations on this map turn green.

http://www.womanstats.org/substatics/Property%20Rights%20in%20Law%20and%20Practice%20fo r%20Women_2011tif_wmlogo3.png

If most countries in the world can gain basic gender equality by the law, everyday sexism worldwide will eventually cease.
Until then, i stand my ground.

[Hoxhaism]

Feminism = female chauvinism

Not better than male chauvinism

No thank you

Feminism:
"the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."

Feminazi:
"a radical feminist."

Learn the difference.

[Hoxhaism]

a true feminist wouldnt have drawn this

a true feminazi wouldn't have drawn this, because they like to clump their ridiculous ideas with real feminism.

[crazyladybutterfly]

a true feminazi wouldn't have drawn this, because they like to clump their ridiculous ideas with real feminism.

you dont get it
it s the bodyshaming that should make it unacceptable for a true feminist

[Hoxhaism]

you dont get it
it s the bodyshaming that should make it unacceptable for a true feminist

Bodyshaming is something entirely in itself, a man can be body shamed just as a woman can.

[Finnish Swede]

I think women in other parts of the world are certainly being treated unfairly, yes, and i will think so until all the red/orange/yellow nations on this map turn green.

http://www.womanstats.org/substatics/Property%20Rights%20in%20Law%20and%20Practice%20fo r%20Women_2011tif_wmlogo3.png

If most countries in the world can gain basic gender equality by the law, everyday sexism worldwide will eventually cease.
Until then, i stand my ground.

:smilie_flagge12:

[War Chef]

The more we divide people between left & right, man & woman, black & white the more we put people into categories ignoring that we all experience the human condition and are more similar than we are different. You seem heavily opinionated. I wouldn't be surprised if you're very unhappy with your life, as if it's not evident that you're a raging bitch from your profile & posts. Have a good day.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Bodyshaming is something entirely in itself, a man can be body shamed just as a woman can.

but being against it began part of the feminist movement as women tend to get it worse when they dont fit the so called beauty standards

and what tells you all the so called feminazis are ugly? it is a subjective definition that if feminazi , but i talked to some women who i d consider as such and some completely fitted the expectation society puts on them in terms of looks

[Hoxhaism]

The more we divide people between left & right, man & woman, black & white the more we put people into categories ignoring that we all experience the human condition and are more similar than we are different. You seem heavily opinionated. I wouldn't be surprised if you're very unhappy with your life, as if it's not evident that you're a raging bitch from your profile & posts. Have a good day.

Feminism is based entirely on equality and to not divide between men and women lol.

This is exactly what im fighting against, the division of men & women.
Women are expected to act a certain way, instead of as an individual.

[Hoxhaism]

but being against it began part of the feminist movement as women tend to get it worse when they dont fit the so called beauty standards

and what tells you all the so called feminazis are ugly? it is a subjective definition that if feminazi , but i talked to some women who i d consider as such and some completely fitted the expectation society puts on them in terms of looks

It's not that i have anything against people who are overweight, it's not like i know of their circumstances.
But i disagree with overweight women promoting it AND bringing down other women, eg. calling them "skinny bitches"
Feminazism is liking obesity because it isnt the norm, and feminism is accepting all body sizes, because after all physical appearances dont conpare to personality and mind.

[Arduti]

Using equal pay for example, what qualifies you for equal pay? Your gender? Or your merits and skills?

[crazyladybutterfly]

It's not that i have anything against people who are overweight, it's not like i know of their circumstances.
But i disagree with overweight women promoting it AND bringing down other women, eg. calling them "skinny bitches"
Feminazism is liking obesity because it isnt the norm, and feminism is accepting all body sizes, because after all physical appearances dont conpare to personality and mind.

i didnt mention fatness though but only ugliness , your meme has the feminazi with the ugly face too

[Harkonnen]

Perhaps something along the lines of bitchism idk.

Fixed.

[Hoxhaism]

i didnt mention fatness though but only ugliness , your meme has the feminazi with the ugly face too

I didn't exactly pay attention to her facial features while choosing this picture, but to the general message, that feminism and feminazism are two entirely different concepts.

[itilvolga]

If feminism is about equality between two genders, why its name is only FEMINism
Banned banned banned

[Hoxhaism]

If feminism is about equality between two genders, why its name is only FEMINism
Banned banned banned

That's a very common complaint, which is exactly why i suggested feminism should fall under common sense.

[Harkonnen]

I didn't exactly pay attention to her facial features while choosing this picture, but to the general message, that feminism and feminazism are two entirely different concepts.

Feminist

http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/ngbbs4f8a519390a8f.jpg

Feminazi

http://pre15.deviantart.net/c6ff/th/pre/i/2014/343/3/0/nazi_bitch_by_peterpulp-d89b0oc.jpg

[Harkonnen]

That's a very common complaint, which is exactly why i suggested feminism should fall under bitchism.

Agreed.

[KMack]

The ironic thing about Feminism, it was started by women that men had no interest in romantically, lol

[Hoxhaism]

The ironic thing about Feminism, it was started by women that men had no interest in romantically, lol

And then continued on by women who genuinely believe in the equality of sexes, such as me.
Basing your argument of a simple aspect of their own personal life when comparing it to a movement that has changed the lives of women in developed countries for the better is pointless anyways.

[Harkonnen]

I think that feminism is cute :loveheart:

[itilvolga]

I think that feminism is cute :loveheart:

Feminism is a bullshit. We (women) create this distinction with our own hands by feminism, men and women are equal only about human rights, otherwise we are totally different because of our different natures. That's all

[Finnish Swede]

Feminism is a bullshit. We (women) create this distinction with our own hands by feminism, men and women are equal only about human rights, otherwise we are totally different because of our different natures. That's all

Quite hard to believe that women and men would be equal even in human rights ...in Turkey.

[щрбл]

Feminism is about pushing women to enter the workforce, dismantling traditionnal family and so on...

Not that I am generally against both genders being equally exploited, but someone needs to pop out children, and that isn't us...

:rolleyes:

[щрбл]

Feminist

http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/ngbbs4f8a519390a8f.jpg

Feminazi

http://pre15.deviantart.net/c6ff/th/pre/i/2014/343/3/0/nazi_bitch_by_peterpulp-d89b0oc.jpg

A good movie I recommend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilsa,_She_Wolf_of_the_SS

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Ilsa_she_wolf_of_ss_poster_02.jpg/800px-Ilsa_she_wolf_of_ss_poster_02.jpg

[itilvolga]

Quite hard to belive that women and men would be equal even in human rights ...in Turkey.

You stupid ignorant bigot look at media and believe what you see there lol how naive you are... Women have even more rights than men here, if you talk badly to a woman at state bus etc as a man, public can beat you but if you talk badly to a man at state bus etc as a woman, nobody cares it, even people think like "probably he deserved it" and ask to woman "what's going on, did he disturb you"
It's only a little example, you can ask here to every Turks, it's like that in Turkey.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Feminism is based entirely on equality and to not divide between men and women lol.

This is exactly what im fighting against, the division of men & women.
Women are expected to act a certain way, instead of as an individual.

Men shouldn't buy into the politically-correct nonsense in which men and women are said to be 'equal'. What this idiotic doctrine has done is to provide a rationale for feminizing men, thus making them weaker and less aggressive in protecting their own and their family's freedom, and making them more easily manipulated by government bureaucrats.

Most Jews are liberals, and Jews have been prime movers in all of the major liberal social phenomena in America (Dershowitz (1997: 269), MacDonald (1998)). For example, Jews were founders of the NAACP and have served almost continuously as its principal directors and legal counsel; Jews founded and dominate the ACLU; most of the major feminists have been Jewish women (eg, Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem); the civil rights movement -- including SNCC and Martin Luther King -- was dominated by Jews and/or communists; Jews comprised more than 50% of all appointed positions in the flamingly-liberal Clinton administration not to mention Obama's administration; Jewish senators and representatives have been the major forces behind gun control legislation (Schumer, Metzenbaum, Feinstein, etc), and so on virtually ad infinitum. What goes unstated in all this Jewish liberal activity, however, is that, as early as the late 1920s the (Jewish) leaders of international communism seized on the race issue as a means of tearing apart the world center of individual liberty -- and thus their mortal enemy -- America; and the subsequent Jewish/communist promotion of "civil rights" -- a notion which has now spilled over into feminism, gay rights, children's rights and all sorts of other Balkanization schemes to set groups against one another -- has been so successful that many Americans are now talking openly of racial warfare and the breakup of the country.

MacDonald, Kevin, The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements, Praeger, 1998

Dershowitz, Alan M, The Vanishing American Jew, Little, Brown & Co, 1997

Feminism: A Jewish Adversary Movement Against Gentile Culture

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Here is a list of some of the Jewish founders and leaders of the modern feminist revolution. Keep in mind that this list is by no means complete--these women are simply the more well-known within the feminist movement; thousands of lesser-known Jewish women lead local and obscure feminist groups1:

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-Gloria Steinem ; founder, Ms. Magazine.

-Bella Abzug ; Civil rights and labor attorney elected to Congress (House of Rep.) from New York City; served 1971-1977.

-Betty Friedan ; feminist leader and author of the book "The Feminine Mystique" (1963).

-Shulamith Firestone ; Canadian feminist. Wrote "The Dialectic of Sex" (1970).

-Andrea Dworkin ; radical; apparent lesbian. Author of the book "Intercourse" (1987).

-Susan Brownmiller ; U.S. feminist. Wrote the book "Against Our Will" (1975).

-Susan Faludi ; author of the book "Backlash" (1992).

-Naomi Wolf ; advisor to Al Gore in the 2000 U.S. presidential election.

-Emma Goldman; early U.S. feminist.

-Ernestine Rose; based in Poland; early feminist.

-Phyllis Chesler ; U.S. feminist; author of the book "Woman's Inhumanity to Woman" (2002).

-Judy Chicago (Cohen); U.S. feminist. Author of the book "The Dinner Party" (1996).

-Robin Morgan ; U.S. feminist. Former editor-in-chief, Ms. magazine.

-Letty Cottin Pogrebin ; U.S. feminist; co-founded Ms. magazine.

-Gerda Lerner ; b. in Austria.

-Annie Nathan Meyer ; U.S. feminist.

-Maud Nathan ; sister of Annie Nathan Meyer; U.S. feminist.

-Geri Palast ; chair, Committee on Women in the Global Economy; U.S. feminist.

-Rose Schneiderman ; based in Poland.

-Anita Pollitzer ; U.S. feminist; pal of artist Georgia O'Keeffe.

-Gene Boyer ; a founder of N.O.W.; president of Jewish Feminists; U.S. feminist.

-Lucy Komisar ; author of the book "The New Feminism" (1971); U.S. feminist.

-Karen Nussbaum ; (apparently Jewish); leader of 9to5-National Association of Working Women.

-Eleanor Flexner ; (apparently Jewish--relative is a Zionist); U.S. feminist.

-Riane Eisler ; based Vienna; author/feminist; (apparently Jewish--fled Nazis). Author of the book "The Chalice and the Blade" (1987).

Notes

1. sources include Jewish author Dr. Joshua Halberstam's book "Schmoozing," 1997, Perigee; also web searches, and from my personal files and notes.

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Jews-Jaws.jpg

http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Index-Others-AnimatedForeskinner.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTTbJQhsFs

[Hoxhaism]

Feminism is a bullshit. We (women) create this distinction with our own hands by feminism, men and women are equal only about human rights, otherwise we are totally different because of our different natures. That's all

The only thing standing between men and women is physical strength, as most men produce more testosterone than women. On average, men are better at heavy-weight lifting jobs than women, of course with exceptions.
Thousands of years ago, people didn't have the technology we have today so everyday work and survival was usually based on strength, which led to the patriarchy. Nowdays we have advanced, have developed vaccinations, a variety of opportunities and have all the means for equality because there are NONE of any hormones for intelligence, IQ, creativity which are much more valued nowdays as now we have advanced and no longer need strength for survival as there are no longer mud huts or wild bears.

Therefore women are indeed equal to men, but unfortunately unlike our society some people's ignorant mindsets haven't changed, thus feminism was born.

[Hoxhaism]

Feminism is about pushing women to enter the workforce, dismantling traditionnal family and so on...

Not that I am generally against both genders being equally exploited, but someone needs to pop out children, and that isn't us...

:rolleyes:

Feminism is about the freedom of a woman to have a choice in life.
Some women don't want to be baby factories, interestingly enough. :picard1:

[Finnish Swede]

You stupid ignorant bigot look at media and believe what you see there lol how naive you are... Women have even more rights than men here, if you talk badly to a woman at state bus etc as a man, public can beat you but if you talk badly to a man at state bus etc as a woman, nobody cares it, even people think like "probably he deserved it" and ask to woman "what's going on, did he disturb you"
It's only a little example, you can ask here to every Turks, it's like that in Turkey.

I bet you would't call me stupid face to face...''muslim''!

What comes to rest...one example does not prove/guarantee anything.

[itilvolga]

The only thing standing between men and women is physical strength, as most men produce more testosterone than women. On average, men are better at heavy-weight lifting jobs than women, of course with exceptions.
Thousands of years ago, people didn't have the technology we have today so everyday work and survival was usually based on strength, which led to the patriarchy. Nowdays we have advanced, have developed vaccinations, a variety of opportunities and have all the means for equality because there are NONE of any hormones for intelligence, IQ, creativity which are much more valued nowdays as now we have advanced and no longer need strength for survival as there are no longer mud huts or wild bears.

Therefore women are indeed equal to men, but unfortunately unlike our society some people's ignorant mindsets haven't changed, thus feminism was born.

About some subjects, we are stronger and about some subjects, they are stronger. We are all of humans after all but we are not same, it's the nature of creation. Everybody has to admit it. Also feminists always do protest about women rights but i have never seen any protestation like "Men can cry as well, they have emotions like us" on the streets. If feminism cares male rights as well, i would like to see it. I support equal rights to both genders but I don't support people who tries to make same this two genders

[itilvolga]

I bet you would't call me stupid face to face...''muslim''!

What comes to rest...one example does not prove/guarantee anything.

Why? What's your privilege, being European? xdd ohh also you try to insult me with my religion now, how "equal" you are... supporting equality about gender but also insulting a girl with her belief, huh? Just be a feminist and yell for me like "she is a female! She can choose her own religion! Nobody can blame or insult her because of it!" Lol i am waiting

[Hoxhaism]

About some subjects, we are stronger and about some subjects, they are stronger. We are all of humans after all but we are not same, it's the nature of creation. Everybody has to admit it. Also feminists always do protest about women rights but i have never seen any protestation like "Men can cry as well, they have emotions like us" on the streets. If feminism cares male rights as well, i would like to see it. I support equal rights to both genders but I don't support people who tries to make same this two genders

Saying you support equal rights but not feminism is like saying you breath in air but not oxygen.

Also, women do care.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Cd-xIWmUMrY/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/8b/9e/2b8b9e88cb6d78ea86e31b478bff9518--be-a-man-man-up.jpg

https://definepopular.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/guy-fem.jpg

Feminism is a movement of equal rights, and encourages people to be individuals, not labels.

[itilvolga]

Saying you support equal rights but not feminism is like saying you breath in air but not oxygen.

Also, women do care.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Cd-xIWmUMrY/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/8b/9e/2b8b9e88cb6d78ea86e31b478bff9518--be-a-man-man-up.jpg

https://definepopular.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/guy-fem.jpg

Feminism is a movement of equal rights, and encourages people to be individuals, not labels.

I don't see any girl here. Just guys support their own rights.

"Also, women do care." where is the women?? I really couldn't see on pics, sorry probably i have some problems on my eyes

[Annie999]

Lol @ the men denying the world is sexist, and at the ones feeling 'victimized' by feminism.

[TEUTORIGOS]

The only thing standing between men and women is physical strength, as most men produce more testosterone than women. On average, men are better at heavy-weight lifting jobs than women, of course with exceptions.
Thousands of years ago, people didn't have the technology we have today so everyday work and survival was usually based on strength, which led to the patriarchy.

Who invented that technology ? Men ! Everything with more than two moving parts was invented by a man - fact ! Men still dominate science and technology until this very day !




Nowdays we have advanced, have developed vaccinations, a variety of opportunities and have all the means for equality because there are NONE of any hormones for intelligence, IQ, creativity which are much more valued nowdays as now we have advanced and no longer need strength for survival as there are no longer mud huts or wild bears.

IQ is a myth or bullshit and cannot measure intelligence :

http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(12)00584-3

https://www.thestar.com/life/2012/12/19/iq_a_myth_study_says.html

Goodbye, IQ Tests: Brain Imaging Predicts Intelligence Levels :

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/32/26/8988

https://source.wustl.edu/2012/07/brain-imaging-can-predict-how-intelligent-you-are-study-finds/

Men are mentally superior to women all one has to do is look at the achievements in science , technology, art, philosophy and mathematics etc.. which show men are mentally superior.


Therefore women are indeed equal to men, but unfortunately unlike our society some people's ignorant mindsets haven't changed, thus feminism was born.

IQ is a myth or bullshit and men are superior to the vast majority of women mentally as women are intellectual philistines.

[Hadouken]

Lol @ the men denying the world is sexist, and at the ones feeling 'victimized' by feminism.

dont lol at us . where there is smoke there is fire :eyes

feminism is a pest now and not the same as it was in the start when feminism was actually needed . the 3rd world countries or whatever where sexism exist ...yes equality (I dont like the word FEMinism ...if you want call it EQUALism) is needed there

a woman who is treated like shit and beaten or whatever because she is a woman in country-x needs equalism

but those cucks on the pics with their signs in the hands dont need "feminism" ..they need a slap to their face . neither do the women in their country need feminism .

[Linebacker]

Yes the new name shall be - DaddyIssuesIsm.

I have named it,and so it shall be now.Start using this term )))))))))))

[Kamal900]

Feminism, especially in the western world, is not a sex egalitarian movement, but rather a female empowerment movement designed to empower women over men hence the term "Feminine" in the word. That's like saying the Black Panthers or the Antifa are for racial egalitarianism and brotherhood when in reality they're Black and non-White empowerment movements over White people by slandering and even attacking Whites with verbal abuse and/or physical violence against them. If you are for equality between men and women then you wouldn't be calling yourself a feminist. Personally, I believe that both sexes should be treated fairly, but no, they're not the same, and the differences between the two should not ignored.

[Finnish Swede]

Why? What's your privilege, being European? xdd ohh also you try to insult me with my religion now, how "equal" you are... supporting equality about gender but also insulting a girl with her belief, huh? Just be a feminist and yell for me like "she is a female! She can choose her own religion! Nobody can blame or insult her because of it!" Lol i am waiting

Waiting for what?
Honestly I don't care about Turkey...or women position in your country. Not my headache. Just commented your earlier post as it sounded BS.
Stay where you are, and we all are happy.

[War Chef]

Lol @ the men denying the world is sexist, and at the ones feeling 'victimized' by feminism.

You're a very foolish woman.

[itilvolga]

Waiting for what?
Honestly I don't care about Turkey...or women position in your country. Not my headache. Just commented your earlier post as it sounded BS.
Stay where you are, and we all are happy.

It's already like that. Your butthurt is about you couldn't give any shitty answer, that's why tried to close a deficit with a stupidly way: discourse on my religion and country even you don't know anything about them. You are really piteous

[Finnish Swede]

It's already like that. Your butthurt is about you couldn't give any shitty answer, that's why tried to close a deficit with a stupidly way: discourse on my religion and country even you don't know anything suoriutuaabout them. You are really piteous.

Happy life with Erdogan and do't ever joint to EU.

No doubt, your country is better than Nordic countries (what comes to women positions)?
It's just bit wierd that all reports, articles, news, studies, statistics tends to show things differently. And even strongly so. But they are all fake news. All of them. Are't they?

[щрбл]

Some women don't want to be baby factories, interestingly enough. :picard1:

Why misquote me? :D

[Ryujin]

Feminism is a bullshit. We (women) create this distinction with our own hands by feminism, men and women are equal only about human rights, otherwise we are totally different because of our different natures. That's all

By some aspects, that is true. But if you voluntarily accept traditional social codes imposed on women, that is a disgrace to your kind. You might be eager to take a shortcut and prefer a life in dependence of someone else's will, at least have some respect for women who refuse to do that.

I told this to a feminist girl before, they should solve the problem amongst their own kind first before it even comes to men. So many submissive women around... They make me sick.

Where's Lilith when you need her to command and recover women... ;)

[Kazimiera]

Thanks to feminism I can vote, drive a car, get equal pay, own my own land, divorce and run a business. Yes, in that sense I am a feminist: I'm for equality. I don't hate men, I don't want more than men get, I don't want to bash men down. In that sense I'm a pre-third wave feminist.

I am NOT a feminazi. Those women have issues and I'm rather put off by them and their third wave antics. They are shrill, brash, loud and in my opinion, quite distasteful. Their way of doing things holds no appeal to me whatsoever. They have the typical first-year student wisdom. You don't really know anything about the way the world works after 1 year of university but they think they do. It's the same as any other student who has survived their first varsity year - regardless of what field they are studying. The first year student knows it ALL.

I've always been reluctant calling myself a feminist for fear of being lumped in and associated with those other crazies out there.

[al-Bosni]

Men and women are both different and similar. Obviously they are not equal though. Equality is not fair for either gender, or else we would see men and women boxing each other in a boxing ring and the women would be killed because they are too weak. Or we would see men trying to be mothers and failing to raise the kids properly. These are only a few examples out of many.

[Queen B]

No, feminism shouldn't be renamed. It is that some man-hating binarosomething useless beings should STOP associating themselves with feminism.

dont lol at us . where there is smoke there is fire :eyes
feminism is a pest now and not the same as it was in the start when feminism was actually needed . the 3rd world countries or whatever where sexism exist ...yes equality (I dont like the word FEMinism ...if you want call it EQUALism) is needed there
a woman who is treated like shit and beaten or whatever because she is a woman in country-x needs equalism
but those cucks on the pics with their signs in the hands dont need "feminism" ..they need a slap to their face . neither do the women in their country need feminism .

The west is still sexist and still unfair. THere is no question about this. Of course, it is not as bad as some 3rd countries, but its undeniable.

[Hadouken]

No, feminism shouldn't be renamed. It is that some man-hating binarosomething useless beings should STOP associating themselves with feminism.


The west is still sexist and still unfair. THere is no question about this. Of course, it is not as bad as some 3rd countries, but its undeniable.

ok then point them out please and enlighten me :confused:

[Queen B]

ok then point them out please and enlighten me :confused:

(Some are important some are not, just sayin' though)

1)
Μan gets promotion = '' Well done mate, you were good, you deserved it , wow''
Woman gets promotion = '' Damn, who did you have to sleep with in order to get it ''

2)
Girl gets rape/assaulted = Man gets 3 months jail in order ''not to ruin'' his athletic career
or
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/03/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

3)
Woman gets murdered/abused by partner
None blames the abuser, or point out his crime. They all say '' wow, what did she do '', '' why she didn't divorce/break up''

4)
Woman rejects man = she is a bitch , a fat cow, I did you a favor, etc.
NO woman has ever the right to reject you - apparently

5)
Woman sleeps with 10 people = whore
Man sleeps with 10 people = stud

6)
Have someone visiting the office. Who would make/be asked to make the coffee?

7)
Man unmarried 35+ = bachelor
Woman unmarried 35+ = spinster

8)
Even finding 1 excuse for rape. ONE!

9)
A mother does this and that = Judgement and attack
A dad does this and that = who cares?

10 ) Woman with belly and cellulite on the beach = omg, why you are wearing a bikini you fat bitch. Why should we see your fat better , blablabla
Man with a belly and ugly body on the beach = Duh, okay

Generally ANY comment over what a woman should or shouldn't wear where there is NOT a comment for men's dressing.

11)
Cases like this
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/30/justice/montana-rape-30-day-sentence/

12)
Revenge porn

13) The face that only a single digit of % rapists spend even a day in jail.

Should I go on?

[TEUTORIGOS]

5)
Woman sleeps with 10 people = whore
Man sleeps with 10 people = stud

So, I slept with like about 26 or 27 women so that is mister super stud to you whore ! Bow down and kiss my feet and I may take pity on your WOG slut ass and throw you my super stud bone :lmao

[Queen B]

So, I slept with like about 26 or 27 women so that is mister super stud to you whore ! Bow down and kiss my feet and I may take pity on your WOG slut ass and throw you my super stud bone :lmao
:sick2:

[Vojnik]

Feminism was once a noble cause fighting for women's rights to vote. But in the past couple of decades all its become is a cult for man hating fat dykes.

[Hadouken]

(Some are important some are not, just sayin' though)

1)
Μan gets promotion = '' Well done mate, you were good, you deserved it , wow''
Woman gets promotion = '' Damn, who did you have to sleep with in order to get it ''



this is just blatantly accusing all men doing it . only because some men would think that it doesnt mean anything . and even if ALL men thought it it wouldnt mean anything . bottom line would be that the woman gets promoted . if I had to list what women say/think about men in such disrespectful manner I would have to write until my fingers bleed



2)
Girl gets rape/assaulted = Man gets 3 months jail in order ''not to ruin'' his athletic career
or
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/03/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/



the justice system has errors . it has nothing to do with gender . rapists have to be punished hardly and I am one of the men who will always say that but your example is not good and has nothing to do with gender discrimination ...

..in fact ...when a woman rapes a man nobody even gives a shit :D you get things like "damn what a player lol" . "man she just needed some love hehehe" etc. ...which would be a good counterargument for your nr.1 point :)



3)
Woman gets murdered/abused by partner
None blames the abuser, or point out his crime. They all say '' wow, what did she do '', '' why she didn't divorce/break up''


you are joking right ? only the biggest idiots and scumbags would say such a thing . and that also has nothing to do with genderism . you can very easily find women who in a reverse scenario say "well I bet he was an asshole he deserved it" .

do you know the stories of women cutting off the penis of their men ? have you seen how women reacted ? they even laughed at that . give me a fucking break




4)
Woman rejects man = she is a bitch , a fat cow, I did you a favor, etc.
NO woman has ever the right to reject you - apparently


it just simply is not true . and again ...it depends on the men ..not all men say things like that especially not adults . you hear that from 16 year olds who smoke cigarettes in the corner of their school and circle jerk but grown men often dont give a fuck

but it also depends on how she rejects . if you have a man who is unfortunately very bad looking (which is not his fault) and a woman is like "ewww you freak fuck off" then yes she IS a bitch

but again ....this has nothing to do with gender anyway . so are we taking things out of context now and every insult is now sexism only because the person who is receiving the insult is a female ?

so if I for example have to go to an office to do some stuff and the woman who works there is very antipathic and I dont like her and say something like "man that woman was a bitch" then I am a sexist ?

where does this end




5)
Woman sleeps with 10 people = whore
Man sleeps with 10 people = stud


me personally I dont call women whore for sleeping with several men . I dont think it is a proper thing for a lady to do but to each their own . also many men especially in the western world dont even care ...you have a population now where even some men share their wife lol ..I mean ..

also it is just not the same . men and women are different . a woman can just open her legs and immediately 100 men will want to fuck her while as a man it is different . there are just differences between men and women naturally and you cant make them disappear . on top of it many women still openly sleep around anyway ;) so it seems that critisism cant be that bad after all ;)

thanks for calling me stud btw. :o

btw. I also could give reverse examples such as when a woman cries openly it is "awww come here let me hug you" . when a man cries it is "lol faggot man up ...faggot!"

etc.



6)
Have someone visiting the office. Who would make/be asked to make the coffee?


huh ?



7)
Man unmarried 35+ = bachelor
Woman unmarried 35+ = spinster


men is seen as the provider . that is the "role" we are given to by society . also by many women . we need to build up a career over many years while a 23 year old woman can be just like "hey this is me on the pics dont I have a nice ass and cute face . I need a strong man who can provide me I want to marry" ....boom she gets asked by 100 idiots with money if she wants to marry them

on top of it as I said above women have it easier to choose a man thats one of the main reasons too . and women are naturally more in "need" for protection which we happily give them . in before that is seen as sexist too



8)
Even finding 1 excuse for rape. ONE!


it is horrible yes . I agree . what does it have to do with sexism though ? you have many different kind of people who find excuses for all kind of stuff . it is just that these people are scumbags and also imo not very sane




9)
A mother does this and that = Judgement and attack
A dad does this and that = who cares?


what ? I dont get this one

but I can tell you that mothers are seen as more holy by many people than dads




10 ) Woman with belly and cellulite on the beach = omg, why you are wearing a bikini you fat bitch. Why should we see your fat better , blablabla
Man with a belly and ugly body on the beach = Duh, okay

Generally ANY comment over what a woman should or shouldn't wear where there is NOT a comment for men's dressing.



I would be careful with this statement . men "forgive" waaaay more physical "flaws" than you think and than women do . it is often women themselves who make up stuff in their head and think that we men think like it like "omg nobody will look at me because my boobs are so small" or "I am so fat !" (even though only slightly overweight which is ok to many men etc.)

while women have a looooong list of how a men is supposed to be supposed to look supposed to act supposed to say etc etc




11)
Cases like this
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/30/justice/montana-rape-30-day-sentence/


point 2)



12)
Revenge porn


I see no relation to our discussion




13) The face that only a single digit of % rapists spend even a day in jail.

again ..the rape and justice stuff we already had now




Should I go on?

yes please because not much of these things have to do with sexism . you are taking things out of context and take some scumbag or insane people to make a point

it is like saying when you say something bad about a black person because you dislike what he says/does then you are racist without any doubt . or that you hate fat people because you said that the fat cashier was an asshole . that is exactly what is happening more and more . people just label everything the way they want and see the need to build up a political ground on it even though in many cases it misses the point entirely

not to disrespect you or anything . in fact you are one of the members I like but you are arguing a little like a kid right now even though you are a lot smarter than that imo

[Finnish Swede]

What comes to growing of women rights (don't like to use word feminism)....

Some men can handle that (being still like fishes in sea). Being also ''winners'' (= still able to transport their genes to the next generation). I mean that is the reason/target for males (any species) to exist?

On the other hand there are also men who just can not handle/deal with that (girls are more independent, not ''owned'' by anyone)....and those men are ones who will loose in changing world.


Russian politics are good eaxmple of people who strongly believes so called 0 sum model: If one winns somebody has to loose.
I like to believe there could be win - win situations as well. Incl. relationships between men and women.

[Queen B]

this is just blatantly accusing all men doing it . only because some men would think that it doesnt mean anything . and even if ALL men thought it it wouldnt mean anything . bottom line would be that the woman gets promoted . if I had to list what women say/think about men in such disrespectful manner I would have to write until my fingers bleed

No, I don't accuse all men doing it. But in cases of women , it happens. In cases of men, doesn't.
This is sexism my dear. It doesn't have to happen in 100% of cases to say it does.


the justice system has errors . it has nothing to do with gender . rapists have to be punished hardly and I am one of the men who will always say that but your example is not good and has nothing to do with gender discrimination ...

..in fact ...when a woman rapes a man nobody even gives a shit :D you get things like "damn what a player lol" . "man she just needed some love hehehe" etc. ...which would be a good counterargument for your nr.1 point :)

It HAS to do with gender discrimination. When the ''value'' of a mans career is more important of the ''value'' of a woman's suffering , then it is a gender issue.

I agree with the women raping a man.
However, see any news about woman raping a man. See most of men's comments below. It would be ''lucky bastard'' ''oh i wish i had a teacher like this'' etc, etc.



you are joking right ? only the biggest idiots and scumbags would say such a thing . and that also has nothing to do with genderism . you can very easily find women who in a reverse scenario say "well I bet he was an asshole he deserved it" .

do you know the stories of women cutting off the penis of their men ? have you seen how women reacted ? they even laughed at that . give me a fucking break

Unfortunately my dear All-in this is way too often. Way too often. I have seen in even here, I have seen it in literally every single news about such cases.
A woman was beaten by an abusive partner? You will ALWAYS find more than one comment that will say ''why she didn't break up with him''. This questions should NEVER - EVER exists.

How many women do you know that cut off man's genitals? (and why?) .

I can find these
• Lorena bobbit. She cut it off because he was abusive and raping her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt
• Katherine Kieu. She did what she did and was put in jail for life. For life (and rapists get 3 months)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Kieu



it just simply is not true . and again ...it depends on the men ..not all men say things like that especially not adults . you hear that from 16 year olds who smoke cigarettes in the corner of their school and circle jerk but grown men often dont give a fuck

but it also depends on how she rejects . if you have a man who is unfortunately very bad looking (which is not his fault) and a woman is like "ewww you freak fuck off" then yes she IS a bitch

but again ....this has nothing to do with gender anyway . so are we taking things out of context now and every insult is now sexism only because the person who is receiving the insult is a female ?

so if I for example have to go to an office to do some stuff and the woman who works there is very antipathic and I dont like her and say something like "man that woman was a bitch" then I am a sexist ?

where does this end


Really? This is not true? Where do you live? Go on Bye Fellipe and read some just for the ''lolz'' . It is extremely often. Unfortunately.


me personally I dont call women whore for sleeping with several men . I dont think it is a proper thing for a lady to do but to each their own . also many men especially in the western world dont even care ...you have a population now where even some men share their wife lol ..I mean ..

also it is just not the same . men and women are different . a woman can just open her legs and immediately 100 men will want to fuck her while as a man it is different . there are just differences between men and women naturally and you cant make them disappear . on top of it many women still openly sleep around anyway ;) so it seems that critisism cant be that bad after all ;)

thanks for calling me stud btw. :o

btw. I also could give reverse examples such as when a woman cries openly it is "awww come here let me hug you" . when a man cries it is "lol faggot man up ...faggot!"

etc.

You personally. You said it . The general cosensus though isn't that. As long as - in general - this applies then this is sexism.



huh ?
Why huh?
I'm an engineer. Let's just say that you are also an engineer and we work in the same office. AS ENGINEERS. Not as secretaties or coffee persons. If a customer comes and wants a coffee, who do you think will be asked to make the coffee? Me or you ?



men is seen as the provider . that is the "role" we are given to by society . also by many women . we need to build up a career over many years while a 23 year old woman can be just like "hey this is me on the pics dont I have a nice ass and cute face . I need a strong man who can provide me I want to marry" ....boom she gets asked by 100 idiots with money if she wants to marry them
on top of it as I said above women have it easier to choose a man thats one of the main reasons too . and women are naturally more in "need" for protection which we happily give them . in before that is seen as sexist too


Newsflash : Not all women are looking for a provider so they can sit on their ass and wait for the rich guy to marry them.
And not all woman want a family or family in early age either.
So, they might be single BY choice. No matter what, they are called spinsters.



it is horrible yes . I agree . what does it have to do with sexism though ? you have many different kind of people who find excuses for all kind of stuff . it is just that these people are scumbags and also imo not very sane
When there is a crime and the victim is blamed because of their sex it IS sexism. ''She was asking for it '', '' oh , she was wearing a short skirt '', '' oh , its not like she hadn't slept with 10+ guys already'', etcetcetc



what ? I dont get this one
but I can tell you that mothers are seen as more holy by many people than dads

A mother has a night's out (even on another friends house of something) '' Oh what kind of mother is she, she should be with the kids 24/7 bla blabla
A dad has a night's out with the guys '' Oh, good , they have to have a night out to clear their heads''



I would be careful with this statement . men "forgive" waaaay more physical "flaws" than you think and than women do . it is often women themselves who make up stuff in their head and think that we men think like it like "omg nobody will look at me because my boobs are so small" or "I am so fat !" (even though only slightly overweight which is ok to many men etc.)

while women have a looooong list of how a men is supposed to be supposed to look supposed to act supposed to say etc etc

Its not about forgiveness. Its about there would be slammed everywhere of what they will wear and when, and why, while this not happens with males. They won't be critisized if they have a beer belly on the beach. Worst case scenario they will be just overlooked. But if a woman is fat and wears a bikini you are telling me it won't be commented?



yes please because not much of these things have to do with sexism . you are taking things out of context and take some scumbag or insane people to make a point

They have to do with feminism and the need of equality. Real equality.
They have to do with the fact that neither justice nor society is treating males and females as equal yet, not even in the west.


it is like saying when you say something bad about a black person because you dislike what he says/does then you are racist without any doubt . or that you hate fat people because you said that the fat cashier was an asshole . that is exactly what is happening more and more . people just label everything the way they want and see the need to build up a political ground on it even though in many cases it misses the point entirely

not to disrespect you or anything . in fact you are one of the members I like but you are arguing a little like a kid right now even though you are a lot smarter than that imo

You are using a very common mansplaining ''argument''. These are everyday issues that women are facing. Some more and some less important, but they exist nevertheless. Why I'm a kid for pointing them out, and you aren't when you are disregard them as ''not really common'', ''nah'' etc?

[Peterski]

I wonder what is the correlation of political views with genotype at rs4680:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214388-Post-your-23andme-Dopamine-(rs4680)&p=4522844&viewfull=1#post4522844

AA genotype makes you an LL person, AG = HL person and GG = HH person:

"Subjects with the met polymorphism reported more pleasure from what should have been equally pleasurable activities, and the effects got bigger the more pleasurable an event was:"

https://neuroamer.com/2012/06/29/card-sorting-pot-smoking-happiness-and-one-gene-comt-catechol-o-methyl-transferase/

http://i.imgur.com/6tnrIBA.gif

People with AA get more pleasure out of life and do not become angry feminists.

[Peterski]

In the future, we will be able to eliminate angry people thanks to genetic engineering.

We will genetically modify all children to make them AA at rs4680 instead of GG or AG.

I'm AA, and AA genotype is the most common among Northern Europeans (CEU):

http://i.imgur.com/2ixhMZN.png

^^^
If you are an angry bitch and nothing makes you happy, be sure that you are GG.

Politics is in the genes. Everything is either in the genes or in the epigenome:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?210060-Gene%96culture-coevolution&p=4638567&viewfull=1#post4638567

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?210060-Gene%96culture-coevolution&p=4402610&viewfull=1#post4402610

[Hadouken]

No, I don't accuse all men doing it. But in cases of women , it happens. In cases of men, doesn't.
This is sexism my dear. It doesn't have to happen in 100% of cases to say it does.

It HAS to do with gender discrimination. When the ''value'' of a mans career is more important of the ''value'' of a woman's suffering , then it is a gender issue.

funny enough it is also women themselves who will say such things . women are often more bitchy about other women than men are

one point why what you say also can happen is that men just get promoted more often than women . which of course you can easily (but in most cases wrongly) judge as sexism . so some people will think automatically that a man will more likely get promoted for skill rather than a woman

still the bottom line would be that the woman in your example gets promoted and it doesnt matter what some idiots and bitches will say about it



I agree with the women raping a man.
However, see any news about woman raping a man. See most of men's comments below. It would be ''lucky bastard'' ''oh i wish i had a teacher like this'' etc, etc.


Unfortunately my dear All-in this is way too often. Way too often. I have seen in even here, I have seen it in literally every single news about such cases.
A woman was beaten by an abusive partner? You will ALWAYS find more than one comment that will say ''why she didn't break up with him''. This questions should NEVER - EVER exists.

How many women do you know that cut off man's genitals? (and why?) .

I can find these
• Lorena bobbit. She cut it off because he was abusive and raping her.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt
• Katherine Kieu. She did what she did and was put in jail for life. For life (and rapists get 3 months)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Kieu


a man raping a woman is worse than a woman raping a man . my opinion . I also think the man should be punished harder for it

I know a lot how domestic violence is . my asshole father beat my mom often . the question of why a woman just doesnt divorce is a normal question for people who are not familiar with the situation and they dont know how the woman feels . and in certain cases it IS a legitimate question too because you have enough women who could easily dump the guy but they dont because they are either stupid or some even like it (no joke)

of course in many cases (like with my mother) it is because women feel helpless and are also scared to do something . and it is horrible

domestic violence has not much to do with sexism though because it is just that the man who uses violence is a pathetic scum . feminism would be if he doesnt get punished for it ! if he would not get punishment simply for "well it is a woman he beat so fuck it ...women deserve to get beaten . case closed *judge hits hammer on the table*"

and the penis cutting thing ...of course you will find less of such cases than domestic violence cases . because it is simply a more extreme thing to happen . which of course doesnt make the domestic violence better but it is not comparable lol





You personally. You said it . The general cosensus though isn't that. As long as - in general - this applies then this is sexism.

no it is not sexism . again ...sexism would be if there was a law that a man can sleep around and a woman can not . if a man thinks a woman is a whore because she sleeps around then it is his right to think it . simple as that . if you take this right of him then you are the one who is in the wrong . if you agree or disagree with him is another issue all together . the woman will continue to sleep around either way because I dont see it stopping them doing so only because men as you say think of them as whores so meh ...





Why huh?
I'm an engineer. Let's just say that you are also an engineer and we work in the same office. AS ENGINEERS. Not as secretaties or coffee persons. If a customer comes and wants a coffee, who do you think will be asked to make the coffee? Me or you ?

where I worked we didnt have such situations so I cant say . but who will exactly ask you to make coffee ?

also dont you think this is a very little issue ?. I mean it can of course anger you if you as a woman will asked to do coffee instead of the men ...I can understand that . but you also have to think that it is kinda normal at the same time because we are all brought up with the mentality that kitchen stuff is more of a womans area rather than mens .

however I also think it is very possible that the person who will be asked to make coffee is simply the one who is available and physically around at that time

does this happen often to you ? share your experiences I am actually curious to know about your situation on the workplace




Newsflash : Not all women are looking for a provider so they can sit on their ass and wait for the rich guy to marry them.
And not all woman want a family or family in early age either.
So, they might be single BY choice. No matter what, they are called spinsters.

I know that . I didnt claim anything . I agree with you . but they will be called that (again ...only some people will call them or even care) because of what I said . even if it is by choice it doesnt change the fact that what I said is reality.



When there is a crime and the victim is blamed because of their sex it IS sexism. ''She was asking for it '', '' oh , she was wearing a short skirt '', '' oh , its not like she hadn't slept with 10+ guys already'', etcetcetc

yes I agree with you . BUT ...you are basing it again on idiotic people ...if by law the perpetrator would get no punishment because of what you say THEN it is sexism . what you say is just that the idiots who say that are sexist which I agree on ...on top of that they are pieces of shit




A mother has a night's out (even on another friends house of something) '' Oh what kind of mother is she, she should be with the kids 24/7 bla blabla
A dad has a night's out with the guys '' Oh, good , they have to have a night out to clear their heads''

first of all we have to define what exactly a "nights out" is in this case :D

a woman who breastfeeds her baby but goes in a nightclub where she drinks alcohol - well ...that is not exactly a good thing to do

a father who goes in a strip club - not ok imo

so you see it depends

but AGAIN ...you are taking what some people say or think to make a point . there are many mothers who go for a night out . or are there clubs/bars/cafes or whatever where it says "if you are a mother gtfo" ? lol




Its not about forgiveness. Its about there would be slammed everywhere of what they will wear and when, and why, while this not happens with males. They won't be critisized if they have a beer belly on the beach. Worst case scenario they will be just overlooked. But if a woman is fat and wears a bikini you are telling me it won't be commented?

wont be criticized ? you are telling me that women wont say to each other "eww look at that fat guy he has more boobs than me hahahahha" ?

it simply happens to both genders . in womens cases though when a fat woman wears very tight stuff it is more visible and common . fat men often wear just looser clothes

however I do agree with you that men will get a little more away with being fat for example than women because since men are naturally taller , more muscle mass , stronger etc. being fatter will partially just add a little more substance to those attributes since being fatter makes a person "bigger" to an extent while women are "supposed" to be more petite and elegant




They have to do with feminism and the need of equality. Real equality.
They have to do with the fact that neither justice nor society is treating males and females as equal yet, not even in the west.

well most of what you said has nothing to with justice . most of it is just... again... based on certain people and their thoughts/sayings . what matters most is if the rapist will get punishment or not and not if some idiots comment on youtube that she deserved it




You are using a very common mansplaining ''argument''. These are everyday issues that women are facing. Some more and some less important, but they exist nevertheless. Why I'm a kid for pointing them out, and you aren't when you are disregard them as ''not really common'', ''nah'' etc?

because you are arguing kinda like : "look what these men said about the woman . they said she is a whore "

there are 10000 unfair things towards us men / our gender too . that this will be disregarded right now ...as usual ....that is actually pretty sexist :)

[Peterski]

I can find these

That is wrong. John was acquitted of a charge of marital sexual assault in 1993.

Lorena was found not guilty by reason of temporary insanity in January 1994.

He did not do anything bad, and she was insane.

[Peterski]

And then continued on by women who genuinely believe in the equality of sexes, such as me.
Basing your argument of a simple aspect of their own personal life when comparing it to a movement that has changed the lives of women in developed countries for the better is pointless anyways.

I saw dozens of your posts where you were extremely racist and calling various groups "human garbage". So no, you do not want equality. You just want more rights and privileges for your sorry ass self.

The only reason why you are a feminist is a very selfish reason, because you happen to be a woman yourself. Another funny thing is that you call yourself Anglo-Saxon despite being 100% Albanian. You are self-hating your ethnicity and gender.

This is so typical, that people with inferiority complexes become activists only for their own group (women in your case). If you were a man and a feminist, I would respect you. Or if you were advocating for someone else's rights too, not just your own.

A lot of feminists are people with huge complexes, butthurted that they were born as women.

And I bet that they all have GG genotype at rs4680.

[Queen B]

That is wrong. John was acquitted of a charge of marital sexual assault in 1993.

Lorena was found not guilty by reason of temporary insanity in January 1994.

He did not do anything bad, and she was insane.

If he didn't do anything bad, then why he apologized of the way he treated her in an Oprah interview?
Why witnessed from both prosecution and defense have confirmed the abuse?

[Herr Abubu]

How about it be renamed to less than mediocre minds who take their own opinions far too seriously?

[nightrider+]

How about it be renamed to less than mediocre minds who take their own opinions far too seriously?

This describes modernity perfectly, just replace "opinions" with "selves". It will be remembered as "The Cringe Age".

[Queen B]

funny enough it is also women themselves who will say such things . women are often more bitchy about other women than they are about men

one point why what you say also can happen is that men just get promoted more often than women . which of course you can easily (but in most cases wrongly) judge as sexism . so some people will think automatically that a man will more likely get promoted for skill rather than a woman

still the bottom line would be that the woman in your example gets promoted and it doesnt matter what some idiots and bitches will say about it

I didn't pointed out that men get promoted more or less. Since we can't know the ratio of male/female workers and the nature of the job, is not fair to talk about it . But, the think is when a man gets promoted rarely to never his ''way'' of advancement gets commented. He might have made sexual favors, he might have licked asses, he might have ''sold'' his friendship,etcetc. But NOONE will ever say it , especially out loud.
But when a woman gets a promotion, even if it isn't all men commenting it, you WILL find comments like this.



a man raping a woman is worse than a woman raping a man . my opinion . I also think the man should be punished harder for it
Yes and no. There isn't ''worse'' in that case. It is something done without consent, and that's bad enough. Regardless if the victim is male or female. Plus, many male victims are raped by other males.

The difference is that due to the fact that men have more physical strength than women (and use it as a mean to rape), is what is a +1 ''worst'' in case of punishing.

Neither should go unpunished.Its something done without consent. Period.



I know a lot how domestic violence is . my asshole father beat my mom often . the question of why a woman just doesnt divorce is a normal question for people who are not familiar with the situation and they dont know how the woman feels . and in certain cases it IS a legitimate question too because you have enough women who could easily dump the guy but they dont because they are either stupid or some even like it (no joke)

of course in many cases (like with my mother) it is because women feel helpless and are also scared to do something . and it is horrible

Unless some people are in the shoes of the victim, they should just shut the fuck up.
NOONE knows what kind of manipulation, abuse or anything have gone trhough the victim.
How many times an abuser is blackmailing? threatening? How many times a kid/woman has been through emotional abuse?
Noone knows, and noone should judge. And even if he/she should and could have left the abuser, the issue that should be discussed isn't why the victim didn't left the abuser. Ever. The issue should be why the motherfucker did what they did.
Never ever the victim blaming.

I'm sorry for you mom.



no it is not sexism . again ...sexism would be if there was a law that a man can sleep around and a woman can not . if a man thinks a woman is a whore because she sleeps around then it is his right to think it . simple as that . if you take this right of him then you are the one who is in the wrong . if you agree or disagree with him is another issue all together . the woman will continue to sleep around either way because I dont see it stopping them doing so only because men as you say think of them as whores so meh ...

Sexism isn't only ''counts'' in terms of law. There is also sexism in society.



where I worked we didnt have such situations so I cant say . but who will exactly ask you to make coffee ?

also dont you think this is a very little issue . I mean it can of course anger you if you as a woman will asked to do coffee instead of the men ...I can understand that . but you also have to think that it is kinda normal at the same time because we are all brought up with the mentality that kitchen stuff is more of a womans area rather than mens .

however I also think it is very possible that the person who will be asked to make coffee is simply the one who is available and physically around at that time



Its not something important, indeed. I said it when I listed all these previously, not all of them are trivial or important. But they are examples of sexism. They don't work the other way around. ''Make me a sandwhich'' is a common ''joke''.



does this happen often to you ? share your experiences I am actually curious to know about your situation on the workplace

In my job now, this with the coffee specifically, no. Whoever is available will do the chore.
In previous job(s), yes.

I have faced sexism, by having people asking for a ''male technician'' instead of me , because ''I'm a woman'' and I have faced issues that my ideas are never considered the 1st choice/route, even if - at the end - is the one that they will follow (after losing time and money).



I know that . I didnt claim anything . I agree with you . but they will be called that (again ...only some people will call them or even care) because of what I said . even if it is by choice it doesnt change the fact that what I said is reality.
And that doesn't change the fact that there is still prejudice against woman, for their state of relationship, when there is not against men. This is society's sexism.


yes I agree with you . BUT ...you are basing it again on idiotic people ...if by law the perpetrator would get no punishment because of what you say THEN it is sexism . what you say is just that the idiots who say that are sexist which I agree on ...on top of that they are pieces of shit
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/5/3/1296542/-Dallas-Judge-Asks-Victim-If-She-Cried-During-Rape-5-More-Actions-That-Make-This-Judge-Unfit


first of all we have to define what exactly a "nights out" is in this case :D

a woman who breastfeeds her baby but goes in a nightclub where she drinks alcohol - well ...that is not exactly a good thing to do

a father who goes in a strip club - not ok imo

so you see it depends

but AGAIN ...you are taking what some people say or think to make a point . there are many mothers who go for a night out . or are there clubs/bars/cafes or whatever where it says "if you are a mother gtfo" ? lol



I'm not talking about breastfeeding and that ages. A woman with a 4 y.o kid, going out to eat/drink/gossip with friends.
A man doing the same with his friends.

Of course I'm talking of what people will say. As I told you, there isn't only sexism if a law allows this discrimination. It is also sexism in society levels.




wont be criticized ? you are telling me that women wont say to each other "eww look at that fat guy he has more boobs than me hahahahha" ?

it simply happens to both genders . in womens cases though when a fat woman wears very tight stuff it is more visible and common . fat men often wear just looser clothes

however I do agree with you that men will get a little more away with being fat for example than women because since men are naturally taller , more muscle mass , stronger etc. being fatter will partially just add a little more substance to those attributes since being fatter makes a person "bigger" to an extent while women are "supposed" to be more petite and elegant



well most of what you said has nothing to with justice . most of it is just... again... based on certain people and their thoughts/sayings . what matters most is if the rapist will get punishment or not and not if some idiots comment on youtube that she deserved it

because you are arguing kinda like : "look what these men said about the woman . they said she is a whore "

there are 10000 unfair things towards us men / our gender too . that this will be disregarded right now ...as usual ....that is actually pretty sexist :)

Again, I will point out that sexism doesn't only exist towards the law.

And yes, there are also unfair things about men, too. Not as much, but they do.

I have - myself- pointed out in another thread regarding feminism and equality.

[Peterski]

If he didn't do anything bad, then why he apologized of the way he treated her in an Oprah interview?

He apologized probably because he still loved her. He could do or say something bad, but not bad enough to qualify as a crime, as he was acquitted. On the other hand, the only reason why she was found not guilty was because she managed to prove her temporary insanity.

And you should know that in the majority of cases of domestic abuse, abuse is mutual (both partners abuse each other).

[Peterski]

What comes to growing of women rights (don't like to use word feminism)

In some areas currently men are discriminated against and have less rights, for example:

Father's rights vs. mother's rights following a surprise pregnancy:

http://i.imgur.com/wiOVmN4.png

http://i.imgur.com/wiOVmN4.png

Inequality of female reproductive rights and male reproductive rights:

http://i.imgur.com/WV7PQZX.png

Source: http://fmovies.sc/watch/the-red-pill-2016-online.html

[Hadouken]

@QueenB I will write like this without all the quoting because it is annoying xD I will try to answer all points

sexism in society . I think you really exeggerate it . especially because there is also many things which are unfair towards the male gender too ..in fact nowdays we are at a disadvantage and the unfair points we have to endure in society are actually higher . I analyzed this and came to that conclusion but it is just often an not outspoken truth because it is crushed by the agenda we are having nowdays caused partially by feminism. I will not list them because it will probably be seen as me crying about it (lol!) . it is not that I suffer from it anyway ...I will live my life with it just fine because I dont give a fuck and also think that there is more good than bad in gender equality nowdays in the western world . and dont want to make us men to be seen as victims ..but I am still pointing it out because it is reality . but you dont see me wanting MENism .

another problem is that the judgement if something is sexist or not is a tricky issue . in many cases it is based on a false perception and involved emotions . to give you an example and to take your sandwich example . when a man who is not sexist at all inside makes a joke and says to a woman "make me a sandwich" for example ..there are women who will be like "omg ...omg how dare you you fucking sexist ...all men are rapists !" . not that such jokes are good but what I am saying is that often things get stretched way out of proportion

there are also women who get mad when you say that men are naturally stronger than women ..no joke ...they get very angry and dump you as sexist

when you are "expecting" sexism everywhere you will "find" something even though there is nothing

man and woman = team . none should be treated worse than the other . what works is 2 things . 1. equality and 2. realism . realising that there are natural differences between men and women but that both are important in their own way

however what feminism has come to in the western world is just bullshit . it is not equalism anymore ...it is more than that and has specific other subliminal goals which destroy society

[Queen B]

@QueenB I will write like this without all the quoting because it is annoying xD I will try to answer all points

sexism in society . I think you really exeggerate it . especially because there is also many things which are unfair towards the male gender too ..in fact nowdays we are at a disadvantage and the unfair points we have to endure in society are actually higher . I analyzed this and came to that conclusion but it is just often an not outspoken truth because it is crushed by the agenda we are having nowdays caused partially by feminism. I will not list them because it will probably be seen as me crying about it (lol!) . it is not that I suffer from it anyway ...I will live my life with it just fine because I dont give a fuck and also think that there is more good than bad in gender equality nowdays in the western world . and dont want to make us men to be seen as victims ..but I am still pointing it out because it is reality . but you dont see me wanting MENism .

another problem is that the judgement if something is sexist or not is a tricky issue . in many cases it is based on a false perception and involved emotions . to give you an example and to take your sandwich example . when a man who is not sexist at all inside makes a joke and says to a woman "make me a sandwich" for example ..there are women who will be like "omg ...omg how dare you you fucking sexist ...all men are rapists !" . not that such jokes are good but what I am saying is that often things get stretched way out of proportion

there are also women who get mad when you say that men are naturally stronger than women ..no joke ...they get very angry and dump you as sexist

when you are "expecting" sexism everywhere you will "find" something even though there is nothing

man and woman = team . none should be treated worse than the other . what works is 2 things . 1. equality and 2. realism . realising that there are natural differences between men and women but that both are important in their own way

however what feminism has come to in the western world is just bullshit . it is not equalism anymore ...it is more than that and has specific other subliminal goals which destroy society

1) Yes there is unfairness towards males, too. But its nowhere near the same. Plus, many of the issue of the unfairness is a result of Patriarchy. You can't have patriarchy AND also complain for its effects. The pie and the knife, too?

2) The joke for the sandwich is sexist. It is harmless, but it is still sexist.

Definition of sexism
1 :prejudice or discrimination based on sex;
2 :behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

3) Those women are stupid. As I said, I'm against man-haters that think they are superior of men. Common logic, dah?

4) There are women/things that have destroyed the ideas of feminism/equality, that's true. But that doesn't change the fact, that there is still need for feminism/equality. When both men and women will have equality against society and law, then , we won't need it.



Inequality of female reproductive rights and male reproductive rights:
http://i.imgur.com/WV7PQZX.png

Inequality?
There are different anatomies.

[Hadouken]

I think we will not come to an agreement like on nr.1 . no problem . it was nice talking to you

btw. Mary has influenced you :laugh:

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[Queen B]

btw. Mary has influenced you :laugh:

I've always done this with numberings and listings. Shame on you :mad:

[Peterski]

Inequality?
There are different anatomies.

Anatomy of male brain is also different than anatomy of female brain. There is overlap, but I'm talking about averages.

Genetic differences between genders of the same race, are bigger than between different races but the same gender:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQcgD5DpVlQ

[Dinarid Warrior]

Perhaps something along the lines of common sense idk.

Fuck feminism

[Queen B]

Anatomy of male brain is also different than anatomy of female brain.
We are talking about the reproductive anatomy. You can't talk about inequality when they are 2 entirely different anatomies.

[Finnish Swede]

In some areas currently men are discriminated against and have less rights, for example:

Inequality of female reproductive rights and male reproductive rights:

http://i.imgur.com/WV7PQZX.png


Countries variates a bit (the laws), you know...

Anyway...except 2., 3. and 4. (After sex)....the rest? I do't think that we are talking about inequality with them? Pharmaceutical industry just have developed lots of different kinds of contraceptives to WOMEN...ONLY because men do not like to use any...and women are ones who always will pay the highest price for some unwanted pregnacy.

But I agree. I know Finland and Sweden well. Sweden is probable the world's most equal country between the sex. And there are some areas where mens right should be better than they are today (absolutely same with women too). I agree with that as a girl. For me abortion is still not one of those. And because of some members here I'm not gonna list what was in my mind.

[Annie999]

Thanks to feminism I can vote, drive a car, get equal pay, own my own land, divorce and run a business. Yes, in that sense I am a feminist: I'm for equality. I don't hate men, I don't want more than men get, I don't want to bash men down. In that sense I'm a pre-third wave feminist.

I am NOT a feminazi. Those women have issues and I'm rather put off by them and their third wave antics. They are shrill, brash, loud and in my opinion, quite distasteful. Their way of doing things holds no appeal to me whatsoever. They have the typical first-year student wisdom. You don't really know anything about the way the world works after 1 year of university but they think they do. It's the same as any other student who has survived their first varsity year - regardless of what field they are studying. The first year student knows it ALL.

I've always been reluctant calling myself a feminist for fear of being lumped in and associated with those other crazies out there.
I share every word.

Lots of people confuse feminism (that wants equality) with femi-nazism! Not the same (very well explained in the quoted post).

[War Chef]

What if I told you it's all in your head? I don't think there's a conspiracy out there to "keep women down". Nothing's stopping you from achieving what any man can achieve except for your whining & excuses. :bitch: It's all in your head.
You're just not tough, you're weak. This Ossetian Amazon would K.O. the shit out of you mentally & physically. :)

https://i.imgur.com/AKK4JIV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BmDOSgN.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milana_Dudieva

[deutschen Blutes]

Perhaps something along the lines of common sense idk.

I think modern-day feminism should be banned. Old school feminists would be disgraced at the way so-called feminists of today go on. Today's feminism has nothing to do with equal rights for women, it is about special privilege and nothing else. I find it also hilarious that anyone who disagrees with it is labeled a 'misogynistic' or a 'sexist'. Modern-day feminism is corrupt and is causing problems in this world, similar to many other so-called progressive crap.

"Common sense" is subjective. I don't think you would get many people agreeing with you that common sense and feminism are interchangeable concepts.

[deutschen Blutes]

Feminism is based entirely on equality and to not divide between men and women lol.

This is exactly what im fighting against, the division of men & women.
Women are expected to act a certain way, instead of as an individual.

Where are the divisions that you speak of?

Are you wanting to ignore the biological differences between men and women?

Then again, I see your Politics as "Egalitarian" so evidently you will disregard the scientific fact that there is no such thing as equality in the strictest sense of the word. Races are not equal. Genders are not equal. Individuals are not equal. No one is equal.

Women are 'expected' to act a certain way no more than men are too. What's the problem? Gender roles were formed for both biological and social reasons. The majority of people tend to advocate traditional roles because it works and makes more sense. Someone only has to look at the single angry feminists chanting to be able to express their 'right' to show their breasts in public to people's grandparents who have been together 50+ years and the man worked all of his life and the woman also worked and they look after each other as true husband and wife. Have you never thought why the majority of the people who go to marches and describe themselves as feminists tend to just be retarded attention seeking inept imbeciles? No one takes them seriously apart from other misfits which are thankfully a minority.


The only thing standing between men and women is physical strength, as most men produce more testosterone than women. On average, men are better at heavy-weight lifting jobs than women, of course with exceptions.
Thousands of years ago, people didn't have the technology we have today so everyday work and survival was usually based on strength, which led to the patriarchy. Nowdays we have advanced, have developed vaccinations, a variety of opportunities and have all the means for equality because there are NONE of any hormones for intelligence, IQ, creativity which are much more valued nowdays as now we have advanced and no longer need strength for survival as there are no longer mud huts or wild bears.

Therefore women are indeed equal to men, but unfortunately unlike our society some people's ignorant mindsets haven't changed, thus feminism was born.

You do realise that patriarchies were/are not necessarily oppressive towards either men or women? There is plenty of evidence to support this statement. Just because we have modern technology does not take away the biological evolution of survival of the fittest. There is still always going to be inequality in the world, no matter how much you want to preach for the phony word 'equality'. No two people are the same.

Are you seriously trying to disregard intelligence and IQ? That's exactly why people are not equal - genetically we are all different and some people have better genes than others. If you're trying to say a genius and a retard are 'equal' then you quite clearly have your head buried in sand.


Feminism is about the freedom of a woman to have a choice in life.
Some women don't want to be baby factories, interestingly enough. :picard1:


Saying you support equal rights but not feminism is like saying you breath in air but not oxygen.

Also, women do care.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Cd-xIWmUMrY/hqdefault.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2b/8b/9e/2b8b9e88cb6d78ea86e31b478bff9518--be-a-man-man-up.jpg

https://definepopular.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/guy-fem.jpg

Feminism is a movement of equal rights, and encourages people to be individuals, not labels.

No it's not. Equal rights and feminism are not interchangeable. Although they are similar, there are differences.

Do you seriously think the majority of people either care or take such people seriously? :picard1:


Lol @ the men denying the world is sexist, and at the ones feeling 'victimized' by feminism.

That depends on what you define as 'sexist', if you care to elaborate. Many men and women dislike feminism, it has a lot of strong criticism by both genders.


(Some are important some are not, just sayin' though)

1)
Μan gets promotion = '' Well done mate, you were good, you deserved it , wow''
Woman gets promotion = '' Damn, who did you have to sleep with in order to get it ''

Erm, I've worked in several different places where women have been promoted and have never heard such a thing said before. Yes, obviously people have said and will continue to but it's hardly a generic saying someone would say to a woman who has just been promoted.


2)
Girl gets rape/assaulted = Man gets 3 months jail in order ''not to ruin'' his athletic career
or
http://www.rawstory.com/2013/03/cnn-grieves-that-guilty-verdict-ruined-promising-lives-of-steubenville-rapists/

I think all rapists should be hanged. You have picked one case that certainly isn't the normal way things are carried out. What about women who lie about being raped and the man is named and shamed yet he is innocent? Those men have to live the rest of their lives with that.


3)
Woman gets murdered/abused by partner
None blames the abuser, or point out his crime. They all say '' wow, what did she do '', '' why she didn't divorce/break up''

Now you're just being absolutely ridiculous. People generally dislike abuse or murder regardless of gender. I've never heard anyone say such a thing before. I don't know where you've been hearing such things. Every time I've heard of even a man hitting a woman I've said men say they wish they could get their hands on that man.


4)
Woman rejects man = she is a bitch , a fat cow, I did you a favor, etc.
NO woman has ever the right to reject you - apparently

Again, utter BS. Men and women are free to reject whoever.


5)
Woman sleeps with 10 people = whore
Man sleeps with 10 people = stud

I hate this stereotype. When it comes to this, I find anyone of either gender who has slept with a lot of people as disgusting. But if we are going to use the figure 10 as to how many people that person has slept with, it depends on their age, whether they were relationships or just little flings or one-night stands, etc. Obviously if the person is younger they will be judged more differently than say an older person.


6)
Have someone visiting the office. Who would make/be asked to make the coffee?

If you're going to say that because women tend to make coffees more than men that men are somehow sexist then it's really a laughable argument. I've worked in offices before and most of the women volunteered to make the cuppas. It's because of gender roles and most men and women see no problem with it. It's like saying there is a heavy delivery, who would make/be asked to pick the delivery up? There is nothing wrong with it. I used to work in an office many years ago and this lady who I used to work with would always make me a cuppa every morning, dinner and teatime and I would bring her some homemade lunch a couple of times a week. Does that make me a sexist? :picard1: I offered to make the cuppas plenty of times, she insisted and always said she made them the best.


7)
Man unmarried 35+ = bachelor
Woman unmarried 35+ = spinster

More BS. I know plenty of women aged 35+ and are not married. No one says anything.


8)
Even finding 1 excuse for rape. ONE!

Nothing to do with gender. No excuses. Anyone who commits rape should be hanged.


9)
A mother does this and that = Judgement and attack
A dad does this and that = who cares?

You're getting more and more silly. These aren't even rational arguments! Of course people care about a father's or mother's decisions on their child or children. Both genders get judged if they do what people consider dangerous, silly, etc.


10 ) Woman with belly and cellulite on the beach = omg, why you are wearing a bikini you fat bitch. Why should we see your fat better , blablabla
Man with a belly and ugly body on the beach = Duh, okay

Generally ANY comment over what a woman should or shouldn't wear where there is NOT a comment for men's dressing.

I think you'll find that both men and women would get laughed at and ridiculed for the examples you have given. I am in a running club and I go out with the club a few times a week and I hear people on the team insult both men and women who are overweight and wearing clothes that make them look like a right laughing stock.


11)
Cases like this
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/11/30/justice/montana-rape-30-day-sentence/

Again, I doubt you'll find many men or women applauding such a disgusting sentence. I've already made my stance on rapists perfectly clear and I know that thousands upon thousands if not millions upon millions agree with my belief.


12)
Revenge porn

This can be done to both genders. People shouldn't be so silly in the first place.


13) The face that only a single digit of % rapists spend even a day in jail.

Should I go on?

Could you back this statement up with some sources? I don't think this is the case at all.

[deutschen Blutes]

No, feminism shouldn't be renamed. It is that some man-hating binarosomething useless beings should STOP associating themselves with feminism.

The west is still sexist and still unfair. THere is no question about this. Of course, it is not as bad as some 3rd countries, but its undeniable.

Except that's what the majority of self-proclaimed feminists are and what people stereotype as a feminist. I've never come across an intelligent feminist yet.

How is the West still 'sexist and still unfair'? Examples?


No, I don't accuse all men doing it. But in cases of women , it happens. In cases of men, doesn't.
This is sexism my dear. It doesn't have to happen in 100% of cases to say it does.

It HAS to do with gender discrimination. When the ''value'' of a mans career is more important of the ''value'' of a woman's suffering , then it is a gender issue.

By your deluded definition of 'sexism' then it's always going to happen. So if a few women say some bad things about men that means there is sexism towards males?

You're basing your evidence selectively and trying to argue that it's somehow mainstream. Stop being so silly.

A "woman's suffering". Goodness gracious me, what drugs are you on?


I agree with the women raping a man.
However, see any news about woman raping a man. See most of men's comments below. It would be ''lucky bastard'' ''oh i wish i had a teacher like this'' etc, etc.

Stop being ludicrous. There have been dozens upon dozens of cases in the news about women teachers grooming schoolboys etc and people show nothing but disgust for such actions.

You're the type of person who would turn a harmless joke on its head and blow it totally out of proportion because of your own insecurities.


Newsflash : Not all women are looking for a provider so they can sit on their ass and wait for the rich guy to marry them.
And not all woman want a family or family in early age either.
So, they might be single BY choice. No matter what, they are called spinsters.

NEWSFLASH: I've never heard anyone ever say that is what they want a woman to be like. There will always be people of both genders who will only go with someone for financial reasons.

Most people think about finding someone, having a family, in other words settling down. However, there are indeed some people who are single by choice.


When there is a crime and the victim is blamed because of their sex it IS sexism. ''She was asking for it '', '' oh , she was wearing a short skirt '', '' oh , its not like she hadn't slept with 10+ guys already'', etcetcetc

Rape is never justified.

What about the women out there who have a one-night stand and then cry rape? This has been in the news many times.


A mother has a night's out (even on another friends house of something) '' Oh what kind of mother is she, she should be with the kids 24/7 bla blabla
A dad has a night's out with the guys '' Oh, good , they have to have a night out to clear their heads''

It's about balancing motherhood and your own time. There are too many women out there who think it's acceptable to give their parents their child and go out and get drunk and then the following day can't be bothered with being a mother. There are also too many men who spend far too much time at the pub insteadd of being there for their child/children. It works both ways.


Its not about forgiveness. Its about there would be slammed everywhere of what they will wear and when, and why, while this not happens with males. They won't be critisized if they have a beer belly on the beach. Worst case scenario they will be just overlooked. But if a woman is fat and wears a bikini you are telling me it won't be commented?

Yes it does happen! I've heard plenty of males insult other males because of the way they are dressed. Fat man get commented on all of the time too. Next you're going to say those people are sizeist, haha.


They have to do with feminism and the need of equality. Real equality.
They have to do with the fact that neither justice nor society is treating males and females as equal yet, not even in the west.

Not at all. You seriously are deluded. Your arguments have no logic whatsoever e.g you think saying to someone in a joking way "make me a sandwich" is sexist. What the hell is wrong with you??? :picard1::picard1::picard1:

What can men do that women can't in the West?


You are using a very common mansplaining ''argument''. These are everyday issues that women are facing. Some more and some less important, but they exist nevertheless. Why I'm a kid for pointing them out, and you aren't when you are disregard them as ''not really common'', ''nah'' etc?

No they aren't, lol. It's just what a few butt-hurt feminists such as yourself like to hype up. The average women would laugh and take it as a joke if a man said to her "make me a sandwich" not scream "SHUT UP YOU'RE A SEXIST!!!!!!"

People like you are the reason why so-called feminism of today is not taken seriously.

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Your friend by any chance? :thumb001:


I didn't pointed out that men get promoted more or less. Since we can't know the ratio of male/female workers and the nature of the job, is not fair to talk about it . But, the think is when a man gets promoted rarely to never his ''way'' of advancement gets commented. He might have made sexual favors, he might have licked asses, he might have ''sold'' his friendship,etcetc. But NOONE will ever say it , especially out loud.
But when a woman gets a promotion, even if it isn't all men commenting it, you WILL find comments like this.

So some people make a few comments about why a woman has been promoted and there is now suddenly sexism? :blink:

You seriously don't think when men get promoted there aren't any comments? What the actual hell am I reading? I've heard people insult men who have been promoted before with lines like "it is only because he looks good for the company" etc. It's not sexism.


Yes and no. There isn't ''worse'' in that case. It is something done without consent, and that's bad enough. Regardless if the victim is male or female. Plus, many male victims are raped by other males.

The difference is that due to the fact that men have more physical strength than women (and use it as a mean to rape), is what is a +1 ''worst'' in case of punishing.

Neither should go unpunished.Its something done without consent. Period.

Just because men have more physical strength (on average) does not make a rape anymore "worse". Rapists of both genders should be hanged.


There is also sexism in society.[/quotes]

Examples?

[quote]Its not something important, indeed. I said it when I listed all these previously, not all of them are trivial or important. But they are examples of sexism. They don't work the other way around. ''Make me a sandwhich'' is a common ''joke''.

If you seriously think that common and harmless sayings like "make me a sandwich" or "milk and two sugars" are sexist than you're living on a different planet.


And that doesn't change the fact that there is still prejudice against woman, for their state of relationship, when there is not against men. This is society's sexism.

Of course there is! Men who are single are often labeled loners, nerds, losers, etc. That is not "society's sexism" it is people's opinions of single people.


I'm not talking about breastfeeding and that ages. A woman with a 4 y.o kid, going out to eat/drink/gossip with friends.
A man doing the same with his friends.

Why would a father or mother want their child to be with them when they are under the influence of alcohol? The more rational thought would be one of them goes out and the other looks after their child.


Of course I'm talking of what people will say. As I told you, there isn't only sexism if a law allows this discrimination. It is also sexism in society levels.

Your conclusions are based upon a tiny fraction of what people say. That is not logical or reasoning in the slightest. You simply endorse in hyperbole too much.


Again, I will point out that sexism doesn't only exist towards the law.

Give me one example of where the law is sexist in the West.


And yes, there are also unfair things about men, too. Not as much, but they do.

How the hell would you know? Your arguments could easily be turned on its head and by your thoughts (which are illogical) come out with bs that women are sexist towards men because some women say things about men.


1) Yes there is unfairness towards males, too. But its nowhere near the same. Plus, many of the issue of the unfairness is a result of Patriarchy. You can't have patriarchy AND also complain for its effects. The pie and the knife, too?

Isn't it funny that the it's only feminists and other left-wing people who cry about a so-called patriarchy? Times have changed from centuries ago. In lay man's terms, it is feminist BS - like the majority of what they preach. There is no patriarchy in any modern developed countries e.g the West, America, Canada, etc.

How do you not know it's nowhere near the same? What about those women who think it's acceptable to hit a man but when he hits back and defends himself she screams "you can't hit me, I'm a woman!". Since you fight for so-called equality, you should find it acceptable for a man to hit a woman back if she hits him first, do you?


2) The joke for the sandwich is sexist. It is harmless, but it is still sexist.

Grow up. It's not sexist in the slightest. People like you will cry 'sexist' about almost anything. I've heard plenty of men and women say it to each other and I've also said it to both sexes and I've never ever heard the word 'sexist' used afterwards.


3) Those women are stupid. As I said, I'm against man-haters that think they are superior of men. Common logic, dah?

And both men and women are against people who make things out to be bigger than they really are. Such is the case with you who thinks that a harmless tongue-in-cheek expression such as "make me a sandwich" is somehow sexist.

Get a grip.


4) There are women/things that have destroyed the ideas of feminism/equality, that's true. But that doesn't change the fact, that there is still need for feminism/equality. When both men and women will have equality against society and law, then , we won't need it.

Can you please tell me how men and women don't have equality in society or the law?


Inequality?
There are different anatomies.

Do you deny that men and women are different biologically?

[CBDFTW]

This Ossetian Amazon


She's 5'5, so more like Ossetian womenaverage, and she has a certain chemical advantage over most women that is definitely not all in the head.

[Queen B]

A "woman's suffering". Goodness gracious me, what drugs are you on?

So a raped woman isn't suffering?

[deutschen Blutes]

So a raped woman isn't suffering?

I can't speak for every woman (or man) who has been raped whether or not they feel suffering but I would presume they would be suffering if such a thing would happen to them.

Your initially argument is:


It HAS to do with gender discrimination. When the ''value'' of a mans career is more important of the ''value'' of a woman's suffering , then it is a gender issue.

You base this argument from a cherry-picked an individual case.

All you're busy engaging in is a thing called selection bias.

If you were to be honest with yourself you would know that the vast majority of court cases regarding rapists do not have verdicts such as the one you posted to somehow back up your argument that there is 'sexism' within the law.

I could easily spend less than five minutes finding incidents where women have walked free after grooming, raping, etc and say "this is my argument that there is sexism against males!" But guess what? I'm not that stupid to generalise and to make such an absurd claim.

It's interesting to note that out of all of the responses that I've given you, you singled out one quote.

[Wadaad]

I think women in other parts of the world are certainly being treated unfairly, yes, and i will think so until all the red/orange/yellow nations on this map turn green.

http://www.womanstats.org/substatics/Property%20Rights%20in%20Law%20and%20Practice%20fo r%20Women_2011tif_wmlogo3.png

If most countries in the world can gain basic gender equality by the law, everyday sexism worldwide will eventually cease.
Until then, i stand my ground.

Yes, let us all become like Sweden...

[Queen B]

I can't speak for every woman (or man) who has been raped whether or not they feel suffering but I would presume they would.

Your initially argument is:

You base this argument from a cherry-picked an individual case.

This comment was specifically about the Brock Turner case, where the value of his career was more important than punishing the crime he committed.



All you're busy engaging in is a thing called selection bias.

If you were to be honest with yourself you would know that the vast majority of court cases regarding rapists do not have verdicts such as the one you posted to somehow back up your argument that there is 'sexism' within the law.


The vast majority of rape cases do NOT even get reported or go to trial. Either because the woman is afraid because the rapist is blackmailing her (this is mostly in case of someone of the close circle commiting the rape), or because he leaves her unconsious/etc so they can't actually find the rapist.




I could easily spend less than five minutes finding incidents where women have walked free after grooming, raping, etc and say "this is my argument that there is sexism against males!" But guess what? I'm not that stupid to generalise and to make such an absurd claim.

It's interesting to note that out of all of the responses that I've given you, you singled out one quote.

You commented twice on my list. It needs time to respond to each individually.

[deutschen Blutes]

Queen B,

Of course you don't have to answer but I would like to ask you a few questions:

1) Which literature have you read that argues for feminism and which that argues against feminism?

2) Why did you become a self-proclaimed feminist?

3) Who decides what is sexist and what is not?

4) What do you think should happen to people who are openly misogynist or sexist?

5) Do you see any problems with the world view of egalitarianism? E.g many scientific facts prove that equality is a myth.

I do have more questions but that will do for now.

I would appreciate it if you would answer them as I would like to have a better understanding of your thinking and world view. Thanks.

[Queen B]

Queen B,
Of course you don't have to answer but I would like to ask you a few questions:
1) Which literature have you read that argues for feminism and which that argues against feminism?

2) Why did you become a self-proclaimed feminist?

3) Who decides what is sexist and what is not?

4) What do you think should happen to people who are openly misogynist or sexist?

5) Do you see any problems with the world view of egalitarianism? E.g many scientific facts prove that equality is a myth.

I do have more questions but that will do for now.

I would appreciate it if you would answer them as I would like to have a better understanding of your thinking and world view. Thanks.

1) I do not remember at the moment. I will search my kindle libraries and let you know.


2) Because I see sexism every day. Because I work in a man-dominated proffession. Why not actually?

3) The very definition of sexism.
Definition of sexism
1 :prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially :discrimination against women
2 :behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

4) Depends of who does it and when. If the sexist/misogynist have power (boss, teacher, judge,etc) or not .

5)
Definition of egalitarianism
1 :a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
2 :a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people

Then : it depends. I don't support economic equality, if I have worked, studied and risked 3 times more than other. I don't support the communist view of equality. However, I do support the equality, when everything else is the same.
I mean, if you and me have both worked as hard, study as hard and we are equally good for 1 position, that I shouldn't or you shouldn't won over the other based on sex or race .

[Finnish Swede]

Yes, let us all become like Sweden...

True. World would be hell much better place.

Or even more...all people being Swedish (for example rapes in Sweden would then go down rocket quickly).

[wvwvw]

Yes, let us all become like Sweden...

It's not true that Swedes are not manly. They are way more manly than many men in so called macho countries. I read a survey a few years back that they are the most desirable men in many parts of the world. Now their immigration policies is another story.

[wvwvw]

The world would be a much better place if it was more like Sweden (excluding Swedish immigration policies)

[Finnish Swede]

It's not true that Swedes are not manly. They are way more manly than many men in so called macho countries. I read a survey a few years back that they are the most desirable men in many parts of the world. Now their immigration policies is another story.


They are desirable as:
1.) they are reliable (not cheaters), and outside of home...do not try to pick up every new woman they see.
2.) they are ready to support/help their partners in relationships, incl. houseworks etc. (call it equality if you want).
3.) they are not violence (not beating their wifes/women if those do not ''understand'' to stay silence).
4.) they are wealthy enough (beating average Europeans).

And last...they are not even bad looking :)

[Wadaad]

True. World would be hell much better place.

Or even more...all people Swedish (for example rapes in Sweden would then go down rocket quickly).

agreed

http://www.frontpagemag.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2013/08/hijabinstagram2.png


It's not true that Swedes are not manly. They are way more manly than many men in so called macho countries. I read a survey a few years back that they are the most desirable men in many parts of the world. Now their immigration policies is another story.

mhm

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/07/15/32EF91E000000578-3528236-image-m-20_1460039286539.jpg

[Finnish Swede]

agreed

http://www.frontpagemag.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2013/08/hijabinstagram2.png



There are atleast 7,5 mllion ethnic Swedish.
And you found?
Thank's to internet; one ''ready made collection'' of muslim ''Swedish'' (which has been created for very clear targets/purposes).
Anyway...totally less than 10, and for sure atleast one of them is not even Swedish.

Bravo

[Finnish Swede]

mhm

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/07/15/32EF91E000000578-3528236-image-m-20_1460039286539.jpg





:smilie_flagge12::smilie_flagge12:



https://68.media.tumblr.com/069310841c9c3a5b34022f6ad0a3f9ba/tumblr_nbwsigOlh21rn5vzno1_500.gif





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2EGCTILHM

[Harkonnen]

lol William Nylander. Most hockey guys would call him a little fag, but I can understand why little girls like him :D

[Finnish Swede]

lol William Nylander. Most hockey guys would call him a little fag, but I can understand why little girls like him :D

Because he is a talented player, ist't he :p?

[Harkonnen]

He is very talented indeed :)

[Finnish Swede]

He is very talented indeed :)

His father was hockey player as well?

[Harkonnen]

Yeah and brother plays too.

[Finnish Swede]

Yeah and brother plays too.

Good genes.

[Wadaad]

He's no Mats Sundin...

[Finnish Swede]

He's no Mats Sundin...

Sundin was a ''bull''... angry :viking4:.

For me the best Swedish hockey player has been Peter Forsberg (plus Modo is my favorit team in Elitserien :)).

[JMack]

Hockey is for fags. No wonder it is popular in fag countries like Sweden and Finland.

[Finnish Swede]

Hockey is for fags. No wonder it is popular in fag countries like Sweden and Finland.

Thanx for confirming that Southern Europeans ... are....?

Southern Europeans!

[deutschen Blutes]

This comment was specifically about the Brock Turner case, where the value of his career was more important than punishing the crime he committed.

I could cherry-pick a case where a woman has been let off for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with sexism. On the contrary, it is because of pathetic courts. I've already told you my stance on rapists - hang the lot of them.


The vast majority of rape cases do NOT even get reported or go to trial. Either because the woman is afraid because the rapist is blackmailing her (this is mostly in case of someone of the close circle commiting the rape), or because he leaves her unconsious/etc so they can't actually find the rapist.

Why are you only mentioning women? Men get raped as well. Many get raped in prison and say nothing, etc. Again, this has nothing to do with sexism.


1) I do not remember at the moment. I will search my kindle libraries and let you know.

I find it extremely peculiar that such an adamant proponent of feminism can't even list a couple of books she has read that have influenced her thinking. Strange, very strange.


2) Because I see sexism every day. Because I work in a man-dominated proffession. Why not actually?

I doubt it. You just make something out of nothing. You engage in a lot of hyperbole. E.g people would laugh their heads off if you were to scream "SEXIST!!!!!!!" if someone joked to a female and said "make me a sandwich" "get in the kitchen where you belong" etc. It's generally said in a humourous way. Perhaps you should listen up.

Give me some examples of the sexism you experience every day.


3) The very definition of sexism.
Definition of sexism
1 :prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially :discrimination against women
2 :behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

That's the conventional definition of the word. That's just someone's opinion. The word 'sexism' is used today rather ambiguously. People such as yourself tend to label anything as falling into the category of sexism.


4) Depends of who does it and when. If the sexist/misogynist have power (boss, teacher, judge,etc) or not .

Surely that's discrimination on your behalf. Oh the irony.


5)
Definition of egalitarianism
1 :a belief in human equality especially with respect to social, political, and economic affairs
2 :a social philosophy advocating the removal of inequalities among people

You don't need to copy and paste the conventional definition of the terms I've mentioned. I'm well aware of the definitions of the various words I've used.


Then : it depends. I don't support economic equality, if I have worked, studied and risked 3 times more than other. I don't support the communist view of equality. However, I do support the equality, when everything else is the same.
I mean, if you and me have both worked as hard, study as hard and we are equally good for 1 position, that I shouldn't or you shouldn't won over the other based on sex or race .

You do realise that the very definition of egalitarianism is 'equality' which in economics normally advocates the ridiculous economic ideologies of communism, socialism and marxism. Reducing the gap between the rich and the poor is an essential part of egalitarianism.

Do you not think that there are certain jobs that men and women do better than the other?

What happens if a state decides to base their state on race?

Have you never thought that you are perhaps advocating something you're not really that clued up about? It seems that way. At the very least, a lot of what you say contradicts what you profess to advocate.

[War Chef]

I enjoy a good hockey fight.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3a3jy52tVE

As for the feminists: GET FUCKED. You'll never taste even a drop of glory that is TESTOSTERONE, it's the greatest feeling ever I pity you. To think you actually fooled yourself into believing poor little you has it hard, meanwhile men lose 90% of their $$$, household processions & custody of children in alimony during divorce proceedings (I actually seen this happen in real life, so many times, so please shut the fuck up). Now days women have THE BEST DEAL THEY EVER HAD IN HISTORY and yet you're still complaining!? What the fuck is wrong with you ungrateful hags? :stop00010: :fuck::fuck_you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFpYj0E-yb4

Yeah, they want us to be bitch-made just like you, docile and "behaving". I say go fuck yourself. I rather swallow cyanide than accept your rotten agenda. :fuck_you:

[Queen B]

I could cherry-pick a case where a woman has been let off for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with sexism. On the contrary, it is because of pathetic courts. I've already told you my stance on rapists - hang the lot of them.
Why are you only mentioning women? Men get raped as well. Many get raped in prison and say nothing, etc. Again, this has nothing to do with sexism.
Because more than 80% of the victims are female, and because the thread is about feminism.


I find it extremely peculiar that such an adamant proponent of feminism can't even list a couple of books she has read that have influenced her thinking. Strange, very strange.
Why is strange? You don't need a tones of books to influence your thinking. Common sense and research, in addition to read a couple of books over the years.


I doubt it. You just make something out of nothing. You engage in a lot of hyperbole. E.g people would laugh their heads off if you were to scream "SEXIST!!!!!!!" if someone joked to a female and said "make me a sandwich" "get in the kitchen where you belong" etc. It's generally said in a humourous way. Perhaps you should listen up.
See? Someone is saying what is experiencing and you doubt it. That's not a way for a serious conversation.


Give me some examples of the sexism you experience every day.
As I have said, I'm in a male - dominating profession. Some examples just from work.
1) Customers refusing my technical assistance by ''give me a mastoras (the slang for technician) to talk to''. Even after explaining that I'm a technician as well, they still ask for the ''man''.
2) In meetings, my opinion/solution was overlooked, even though - at the end- they will follow it (and loose money and time because they chose a ''mans'' solution).
3) I have had teachers in Uni that one was blatantly making those ''harmless'' comments (not with sandwhich the Greek expressions for this is different) every single time. And if you are the only woman in the class...


That's the conventional definition of the word. That's just someone's opinion. The word 'sexism' is used today rather ambiguously. People such as yourself tend to label anything as falling into the category of sexism.
That's the definition. It's not my definition. Whatever applies to that, whether is harmless or serious, IS sexism.


Surely that's discrimination on your behalf. Oh the irony.
Discrimination? :picard1:
You ask me what do I think should happen to them. Different position hold different importance.


Do you not think that there are certain jobs that men and women do better than the other? .
Yes. The same way that certain jobs that shorter and gracile or taller and bulkier do better than other.


What happens if a state decides to base their state on race?

Elaborate.

[alnortedelsur]

I would rename it with a term like Feminazism, anti-Naturalists, or Nature haters, perhaps.

[deutschen Blutes]

Because more than 80% of the victims are female, and because the thread is about feminism.

But rape is not about sexism. Rape happens to both genders and is not a form of sexism. Not even by your conventional definition of the word.

[quot]Why is strange? You don't need a tones of books to influence your thinking. Common sense and research, in addition to read a couple of books over the years.[/quote]

Because someone who is such an adamant supporter of a cause normally is well read on it but it seems to me you just have a chip on your shoulder and don't actually fully comprehend what you preach. I've not heard a single logical and rational argument from you yet.

Of course you need to read tons of books. Where do you think knowledge comes from? For the most part books.

Common sense is subjective - again you keep using the phrase "common sense" when that isn't even an argument for your case and like I have said, it is subjective.

A couple of books? You've just given your game away, you haven't really researched what you're attempting to propagate and have read nothing that argues against what you preach.

It's the same as politics, religion or anything for that matter, it is more sensible to read both for and against and then make your own mind up. It makes no sense to just take a one-sided version and believe that like the gospel without looking at the other side.


See? Someone is saying what is experiencing and you doubt it. That's not a way for a serious conversation.

Don't you know the problems of anecdotal evidence?


As I have said, I'm in a male - dominating profession. Some examples just from work.
1) Customers refusing my technical assistance by ''give me a mastoras (the slang for technician) to talk to''. Even after explaining that I'm a technician as well, they still ask for the ''man''.
2) In meetings, my opinion/solution was overlooked, even though - at the end- they will follow it (and loose money and time because they chose a ''mans'' solution).
3) I have had teachers in Uni that one was blatantly making those ''harmless'' comments (not with sandwhich the Greek expressions for this is different) every single time. And if you are the only woman in the class...

I only have your word to take for it! That is not sufficient evidence.

1) That's because generally speaking men normally have that job and are seen as more professional in such job roles.

2) And you think your opinion/solution was overlooked because you are a woman?

3) Well if you didn't like it and couldn't take a joke and a bit of fun, you knew where the door was. I honestly don't see why you get so strung up about banter and then cry and use the "I'm a woman" "I was the only woman in the class". So what? I remember being in a training class many years and there were only two men, me and one other guy and we were asked to do most of the manual work. Do you think we complained? Of course not. Women like to see men being men and vice versa. Both men and women make jobs about the other sex. So what! Lighten up and try and smile a bit more. You can't change people's opinions or thoughts really. People should be allowed to say what they want to freely without having the PC brigade calling them this and that.

One last thing - if you had been clever, you could have used being the only woman to your advantage but instead you got on your high horse and cried about harmless humour.


That's the definition. It's not my definition. Whatever applies to that, whether is harmless or serious, IS sexism.

What someone takes as offensive is subjective. Putting a label about something doesn't change anything. Feminists of today claim that saying pink is a girl's colour and blue is a boy's colour is sexist, lol. No one takes those people seriously.


Discrimination? :picard1:
You ask me what do I think should happen to them. Different position hold different importance.

Surely we are all "equal before the law" according to the doctrine you propagate? Therefore someone's job should not matter.

So what should happen to them?

Aren't people allowed to have their own personal beliefs?


Yes. The same way that certain jobs that shorter and gracile or taller and bulkier do better than other.

But we're discussing the genders carrying out jobs, not the size or shape of the jobs.

Do you deny that there are biological differences between the two genders? Gender roles are based on both biological and social elements.

Feminism today seems to want to take away the biological and natural differences between the two genders. Why would you even attempt to try and change something you can not?


Elaborate.

Many countries in the past have been based on race alone. Many countries were/are homogeneous, do you have a problem with that?

[crazyladybutterfly]

I would rename it with a term like Feminazism, anti-Naturalists, or Nature haters, perhaps.

as if nature is great
you like that little panda in your signature? nature requires you to kill it if you are in urgent need of nutrients

[Profileid]

nature requires you to kill it if you are in urgent need of nutrients

so what?

[crazyladybutterfly]

so what?

so that nature isnt fair? oh wait you re a christian you ll find a justification for every atrocities happening in the world because god wills it , what a little bastard your god is

[Profileid]

so that nature isnt fair? oh wait you re a christian you ll find a justification for every atrocities happening in the world because god wills it , what a little bastard your god is

You're sick. I'm not the one with a hatred of life,humanity and all that's good.
I could see a 10 year old talking like this but not a 20 year old.

[deutschen Blutes]

as if nature is great
you like that little panda in your signature? nature requires you to kill it if you are in urgent need of nutrients

Only an imbecile would claim that nature is fair. What's wrong with unfairness? It's all about survival of the fittest.

What's wrong with the panda example you have used? A panda will also occasionally kill other animals as food. So what?

Are you trying to say that because nature is unfair that we should do away with biological facts? Men and women are biologically different.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Only an imbecile would claim that nature is fair. What's wrong with unfairness? It's all about survival of the fittest.

What's wrong with the panda example you have used? A panda will also occasionally kill other animals as food. So what?

Are you trying to say that because nature is unfair that we should do away with biological facts? Men and women are biologically different.

and what s wrong if i kill humans for fun and food? survival of the fittest afterall

no , but i d suggest humans to not behave like other animals and oppress the physically weaker ones and give them equal opportunities and treatment?is that so bad?

[crazyladybutterfly]

You're sick. I'm not the one with a hatred of life,humanity and all that's good.
I could see a 10 year old talking like this but not a 20 year old.

can you please tell me what i hate that you consider good? im curious

[Profileid]

can you please tell me what i hate that you consider good? im curious

Have you read literally ANYTHING you've posted?

[crazyladybutterfly]

Have you read literally ANYTHING you've posted?

maybe the concept of goodness is highly subjective?

[Profileid]

maybe the concept of goodness is highly subjective?

Not really. The fact you could even say that is highly disturbing.

[Vyasa]

can you please tell me what i hate that you consider good? im curious

and it's not like Etain is bursting at the seams with joie de vivre (although she is bursting). She's quite a hateful person herself. You may be bitter but you are not hateful at least

[crazyladybutterfly]

Not really. The fact you could even say that is highly disturbing.

well for some people killing me is a good thing , because im an heretic or i dont look racially pure or whatever , for others isnt
how isnt it subjective

[deutschen Blutes]

and what s wrong if i kill humans for fun and food? survival of the fittest afterall

no , but i d suggest humans to not behave like other animals and oppress the physically weaker ones and give them equal opportunities and treatment?is that so bad?

That is not what the concept of 'survival of the fittest' is about.

Equality is a lie. Nothing is equal. It's left-wing nonsense.


Not really. The fact you could even say that is highly disturbing.

Of course it is subjective. Good and bad are subjective.

[Dandelion]

Yes, let us all become like Sweden...

Why not? I bet you even have a young relative in Sweden who grew up singing this song together with ethnic Swedish kids :p.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxTeQLL2p2c

[crazyladybutterfly]

That is not what the concept of 'survival of the fittest' is about.

Equality is a lie. Nothing is equal. It's left-wing nonsense.



Of course it is subjective. Good and bad are subjective.

how isnt it ?if i kill weaker and guillible humans im doing what humans do to animals
animals also kill each other despite belonging to the same species , not all but many species do , but this is called survival of the fittest while if someone does the same to humans it isnt?

and yes , you re right we can never have equality , different people will have different opportunities no matter what, but we can diminish the differences

[Queen B]

Deutchen blutes , I will answer in 5 days where I ll return from vacation. You clearly didn't understamd most of what I wrote. I guess my English isnt that good

[Profileid]

and it's not like Etain is bursting at the seams with joie de vivre (although she is bursting). She's quite a hateful person herself. You may be bitter but you are not hateful at least

I'm hateful of what deserves to be hated.
I don't hate basic facts of human life like childbirth,aging and so forth because that just makes you look insane and delusional.

[deutschen Blutes]

how isnt it ?if i kill weaker and guillible humans im doing what humans do to animals
animals also kill each other despite belonging to the same species , not all but many species do , but this is called survival of the fittest while if someone does the same to humans it isnt?

and yes , you re right we can never have equality , different people will have different opportunities no matter what, but we can diminish the differences

I think you're not understanding the concept.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest

Although it's only Wikipedia, it should set a few things straight.

Survival of the fittest is not about going out and murdering people and claiming some sort of superiority.

survival of the fittest
phrase of survival
1.
BIOLOGY
the continued existence of organisms which are best adapted to their environment, with the extinction of others, as a concept in the Darwinian theory of evolution.

The ways we as humans and animals are obviously different. Therefore we can't compare the killing of wild animals to going out and murdering someone. I would have thought that was obvious.

Survival of the fittest is about the stronger killing off the weak and the stronger passing their genes to the next generation and becoming best adapted to their environment.

Why should we diminish those differences? It makes no sense to restrict a stronger person for the sake of a weaker person. Nature overrules everything.

[deutschen Blutes]

Deutchen blutes , I will answer in 5 days where I ll return from vacation. You clearly didn't understamd most of what I wrote. I guess my English isnt that good

Oh, I understand alright. I just wish you would understand the problems with anecdotal evidence and your arguments.

[deutschen Blutes]

Deutchen blutes , I will answer in 5 days where I ll return from vacation. You clearly didn't understamd most of what I wrote. I guess my English isnt that good

The longest five days of my life. :bored:

[Queen B]

The longest five days of my life. :bored:
I'm sorry that responding to an uknown person in a forum wasn't my first priority and that it slipped my mind.