So WTF is my ethnicity according to DNA ?

[TEUTORIGOS]

My Y DNA can be found mostly in Ireland and Scotland and my mtDNA can be found all over Europe. My autosomal results say different things (BTW, user BritishKnight here says I am ethnically Scottish) :


AncestryDNA says I am 52% Irish, 37% British and 6% Scandinavian etc..

It also says with 60% confidence that I am 'Ulster Irish' via its genetic communities.

Myheritage.com says I am 40.1% English (which is similar to AncestryDNA's 37 % British/English/Anglo-Saxon), 35.7 % Scottish,Irish, Welsh, 24.2 % Scandinavian and 1.7% Central Asian which would be more of a Northern Scottish result.

Here are my Eurogenes K13, k15, k36 and Eutest results :


Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 49.81
2 Baltic 23.36
3 West_Med 13.17
4 West_Asian 8.10
5 Siberian 1.37
6 Oceanian 1.15


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 3.849845
2 Orcadian @ 4.409239
3 West_Scottish @ 4.822096
4 Southwest_English @ 5.392644
5 North_Dutch @ 5.458716
6 Danish @ 6.237111
7 Southeast_English @ 6.289751
8 Norwegian @ 7.103336
9 North_German @ 7.159628
10 Swedish @ 9.326280
11 South_Dutch @ 9.617223
12 West_German @ 10.864100
13 French @ 15.661118
14 North_Swedish @ 16.115871
15 Austrian @ 16.463173
16 East_German @ 16.744297
17 Hungarian @ 21.767044
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.409361
19 Southwest_French @ 23.981400
20 Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.653765

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 3.849845


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% South_Dutch @ 3.692252


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + South_Dutch @ 3.692252
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_German @ 3.733742
3 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_English @ 3.769586
4 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_German @ 3.815752
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 3.849845
6 Irish + Irish + South_Dutch + West_Scottish @ 3.856632
7 Irish + Irish + West_German + West_Scottish @ 3.857928
8 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.873938
9 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.916509
10 Irish + Irish + North_German + West_Scottish @ 3.924094
11 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.933084
12 Irish + Irish + North_German + Orcadian @ 3.948981
13 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 3.949965
14 Irish + North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 3.959872
15 Irish + North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.976395
16 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 3.976432
17 Irish + Irish + Irish + North_Dutch @ 3.990433
18 Irish + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 3.993875
19 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + West_German @ 4.006049
20 Irish + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 4.007914

Done.

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Gedmatch.Com
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 35.89
2 Atlantic 27.28
3 Baltic 9.99
4 Eastern_Euro 9.52
5 West_Med 8.99
6 West_Asian 4.70


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southwest_English @ 4.214358
2 Southeast_English @ 4.294276
3 North_Dutch @ 4.408605
4 Danish @ 4.771735
5 West_Scottish @ 4.953473
6 Irish @ 5.014568
7 Orcadian @ 5.134441
8 North_German @ 6.141170
9 Norwegian @ 7.694504
10 South_Dutch @ 8.158228
11 West_Norwegian @ 8.668773
12 West_German @ 9.131309
13 Swedish @ 9.378192
14 North_Swedish @ 12.155580
15 French @ 13.101006
16 East_German @ 14.484367
17 Southwest_Finnish @ 17.622101
18 Austrian @ 19.812147
19 Hungarian @ 20.138453
20 Finnish @ 21.126108

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English +25% Southwest_English @ 3.064974


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++
1 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.377470
2 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southwest_English @ 2.603018
3 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Southeast_English @ 2.744400
4 East_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.762994
5 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English @ 2.777089
6 North_Swedish + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.829644
7 East_German + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.862946
8 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.889061
9 Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.926053
10 North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.937662
11 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.940629
12 North_German + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.952824
13 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 2.953074
14 Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southeast_English @ 2.953712
15 Irish + Norwegian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.984510
16 Orcadian + South_Dutch + Southwest_English + Swedish @ 2.992187
17 North_German + Orcadian + Orcadian + South_Dutch @ 2.993653
18 North_German + Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.000836
19 Norwegian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 3.004843
20 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 3.006466

Done.

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Eurogenes K36 Unofficial 4-Ancestors Oracle

4 Ancestors Oracle
Version 0.97 by Alexandr Burnashev

Data file is C:\Users\regular user\Documents\k36_v1.txt.txt
36 components mode.
Population data has been read. 337 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Person: Test2.txt
Threshold of components set to 0.25%


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Central_Dutch @ 6.699237
2 Scotland @ 9.045007
3 North_Dutch @ 9.158962
4 NW-England @ 9.740564
5 German_North @ 9.779675
6 Denmark @ 10.267263
7 SE_England @ 10.305498
8 British_mixed @ 10.826452
9 Orcadian @ 11.592991
10 Welsh @ 12.043797
11 Sweden @ 12.204071
12 Norway @ 12.269455
13 Northern_Ireland @ 12.364204
14 South_Dutch @ 12.387689
15 England_Cumberland @ 12.414577
16 Ireland @ 12.474798
17 SW-England @ 12.96336
18 Flemish @ 12.991005
19 NE-England @ 13.089271
20 German_West @ 13.951103
337 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch @ 6.699237
2 Central_Dutch+Scotland @ 7.252985
3 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 7.269478
4 Central_Dutch+NW-England @ 7.613462
5 German_North+Central_Dutch @ 7.949952
6 Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 8.043747
7 Central_Dutch+British_mixed @ 8.082769
8 Central_Dutch+Orcadian @ 8.171878
9 Central_Dutch+SE_England @ 8.186554
10 North_Dutch+Scotland @ 8.208617
11 North_Dutch+NW-England @ 8.350657
12 Central_Dutch+Welsh @ 8.350751
13 Central_Dutch+Ireland @ 8.371693
14 German_North+North_Dutch @ 8.550264
15 North_Dutch+South_Dutch @ 8.570111
16 Central_Dutch+SW-England @ 8.571171
17 Central_Dutch+Northern_Ireland @ 8.577258
18 German_North+Scotland @ 8.579624
19 North_Dutch+SE_England @ 8.625897
20 Scotland+Denmark @ 8.694156
56953 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch @ 6.780713
2 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Scotland @ 6.786585
3 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% NW-England @ 6.960151
4 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Scotland @ 6.989889
5 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Ireland @ 7.066914
6 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Orcadian @ 7.07919
7 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% NW-England @ 7.105827
8 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% SW-England @ 7.136004
9 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 7.141398
10 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% British_mixed @ 7.153794
11 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Denmark @ 7.223519
12 50% Central_Dutch +25% German_North +25% Central_Dutch @ 7.230212
13 50% Central_Dutch +25% Scotland +25% Scotland @ 7.252985
14 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% North_Dutch @ 7.269478
15 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland @ 7.273083
16 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% SW-England @ 7.28936
17 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% Ireland @ 7.320193
18 50% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch +25% British_mixed @ 7.328214
19 50% Central_Dutch +25% Central_Dutch +25% SE_England @ 7.336161
20 50% Central_Dutch +25% German_North +25% North_Dutch @ 7.338882
13254224 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_ Dutch @ 6.699237
2 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Du tch @ 6.780713
3 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Scotland @ 6.786585
4 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+NW-England @ 6.960151
5 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Scotland @ 6.989889
6 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Ireland @ 7.066914
7 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Orcadian @ 7.07919
8 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+NW-England @ 7.105827
9 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SW-England @ 7.136004
10 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Welsh @ 7.141398
11 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+British_ mixed @ 7.153794
12 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Denmark @ 7.223519
13 German_North+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_D utch @ 7.230212
14 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Scotland+Scotland @ 7.252985
15 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutc h @ 7.269478
16 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Northern _Ireland @ 7.273083
17 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SW-England @ 7.28936
18 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Ireland @ 7.320193
19 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+British_mi xed @ 7.328214
20 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SE_Engla nd @ 7.336161
21 German_North+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dut ch @ 7.338882
22 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Orcadian @ 7.339377
23 German_North+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Scotland @ 7.356934
24 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Scotland+Denmark @ 7.358485
25 Austria_Tyrol+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutc h @ 7.360592
26 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+England_ Cumberland @ 7.39252
27 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Welsh @ 7.394783
28 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Scotland+NW-England @ 7.396506
29 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SE_England @ 7.400863
30 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Norway @ 7.426372
31 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+South_Dutc h @ 7.467287
32 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+England_Cu mberland @ 7.468405
33 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Scotland+Sweden @ 7.471909
34 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Northern_I reland @ 7.49083
35 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Sweden @ 7.494915
36 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+Denmark+NW-England @ 7.547524
37 Austria_Tyrol+North_Dutch+North_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 7.549132
38 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Scotland+Scotland @ 7.557058
39 Austria_Tyrol+Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Du tch @ 7.558846
40 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Denmark @ 7.576637
231276947 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.130062

Using 1 population approximation:
1 SW-England @ 4.137863
2 Scotland @ 4.23402
3 Orcadian @ 4.381753
4 Ireland @ 4.406455
5 British_mixed @ 4.454499
6 Central_Dutch @ 4.747432
7 Norway @ 4.794757
8 North_Dutch @ 4.845208
9 SE_England @ 4.869674
10 Northern_Ireland @ 4.907016
11 NW-England @ 4.931888
12 Flemish @ 4.992703
13 Denmark @ 5.004974
14 Waloon @ 5.408965
15 Sweden @ 5.424877
16 German_West @ 5.825743
17 Norway_north @ 5.960814
18 German_North @ 6.083864
19 Welsh @ 6.297445
20 South_Germany @ 6.312484
337 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch+SW-England @ 4.048534
2 Denmark+SW-England @ 4.124134
3 SW-England+SW-England @ 4.137863
4 Norway+SW-England @ 4.149149
5 Central_Dutch+SW-England @ 4.152208
6 Scotland+SW-England @ 4.154824
7 Central_Dutch+Ireland @ 4.156813
8 Orcadian+SW-England @ 4.183621
9 North_Dutch+Ireland @ 4.207748
10 Scotland+Scotland @ 4.23402
11 British_mixed+SW-England @ 4.243105
12 Ireland+SW-England @ 4.244465
13 Ireland+Scotland @ 4.260673
14 Ireland+Denmark @ 4.267585
15 NW-England+SW-England @ 4.277166
16 Orcadian+Scotland @ 4.303136
17 Sweden+SW-England @ 4.305786
18 SE_England+SW-England @ 4.30771
19 Ireland+Orcadian @ 4.332041
20 Ireland+NW-England @ 4.334266
56953 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% SW-England @ 3.977962
2 50% SW-England +25% Denmark +25% SW-England @ 4.011387
3 50% SW-England +25% Norway +25% SW-England @ 4.040568
4 50% North_Dutch +25% SW-England +25% SW-England @ 4.048534
5 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Norway @ 4.069699
6 50% SW-England +25% Central_Dutch +25% SW-England @ 4.070006
7 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Ireland @ 4.07101
8 50% SW-England +25% Pl_north +25% SW-England @ 4.071119
9 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Scotland @ 4.071798
10 50% SW-England +25% Sweden_north +25% SW-England @ 4.07539
11 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Denmark @ 4.082284
12 50% SW-England +25% Central_Dutch +25% North_Dutch @ 4.087942
13 50% SW-England +25% North_Dutch +25% Orcadian @ 4.092181
14 50% SW-England +25% Sweden +25% SW-England @ 4.096802
15 50% SW-England +25% Central_Dutch +25% Norway @ 4.100557
16 50% SW-England +25% Ireland +25% Denmark @ 4.103081
17 50% SW-England +25% Scotland +25% Denmark @ 4.1063
18 50% SW-England +25% Denmark +25% Norway @ 4.112938
19 50% SW-England +25% Central_Dutch +25% Ireland @ 4.114825
20 50% SW-England +25% Orcadian +25% SW-England @ 4.116862
15037653 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dutch+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 3.977962
2 Denmark+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.011387
3 Norway+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.040568
4 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.048534
5 North_Dutch+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.069699
6 Central_Dutch+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.070006
7 North_Dutch+Ireland+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.07101
8 Pl_north+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.071119
9 North_Dutch+Scotland+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.071798
10 Sweden_north+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.07539
11 North_Dutch+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.082284
12 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.087942
13 North_Dutch+Orcadian+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.092181
14 Sweden+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.096802
15 Central_Dutch+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.100557
16 Ireland+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.103081
17 Scotland+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.1063
18 Denmark+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.112938
19 Central_Dutch+Ireland+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.114825
20 Orcadian+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.116862
21 North_Dutch+British_mixed+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.11881
22 Scotland+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.119861
23 Scotland+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.124053
24 Denmark+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.124134
25 Orcadian+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.12576
26 Central_Dutch+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.128302
27 Central_Dutch+Scotland+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.134407
28 North_Dutch+NW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.137436
29 SW-England+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.137863
30 Central_Dutch+North_Dutch+Ireland+SW-England @ 4.138817
31 North_Dutch+North_Dutch+Ireland+SW-England @ 4.142036
32 Central_Dutch+Orcadian+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.143582
33 Orcadian+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.14491
34 Ireland+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.146408
35 NW-England+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.146441
36 Norway+Norway+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.149149
37 North_Dutch+Ireland+Scotland+SW-England @ 4.149895
38 Central_Dutch+Central_Dutch+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.152208
39 Scotland+Scotland+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.154824
40 British_mixed+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 4.154978

458710001 iterations.

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Gedmatch.Com
EUtest 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EUtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 29.96
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.77
3 SOUTH_BALTIC 12.91
4 WEST_MED 10.57
5 EAST_EURO 10.27
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.44
7 EAST_MED 2.47
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.59


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.572646
2 Cornish @ 2.927963
3 IE @ 2.939580
4 Scottish @ 3.636564
5 English @ 4.970222
6 NL @ 5.760987
7 West_&_Central_German @ 6.989939
8 DK @ 7.561948
9 NO @ 9.355514
10 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 10.225418
11 FR @ 12.779758
12 North_Swedish @ 14.188993
13 AT @ 14.855093
14 HU @ 20.764002
15 ES @ 21.047228
16 PT @ 21.158691
17 South_Finnish @ 23.622814
18 Serbian @ 23.986607
19 French_Basque @ 25.100336
20 North_Italian @ 25.704790

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +50% Scottish @ 1.968661


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Cornish +25% Orcadian +25% Scottish @ 1.857162


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cornish + Cornish + Orcadian + Scottish @ 1.857162
2 Cornish + Cornish + IE + Scottish @ 1.916898
3 Cornish + NL + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.940600
4 Cornish + Cornish + Scottish + Scottish @ 1.968661
5 Cornish + Cornish + IE + Orcadian @ 1.979756
6 Cornish + English + Scottish + Scottish @ 2.012911
7 Cornish + Scottish + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.030463
8 Cornish + English + IE + Scottish @ 2.040028
9 Cornish + Cornish + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.049928
10 Cornish + Cornish + IE + IE @ 2.053847
11 Cornish + IE + NL + Scottish @ 2.059194
12 Cornish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.062128
13 Cornish + IE + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.097064
14 Cornish + IE + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.106331
15 Cornish + English + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.109261
16 Cornish + Cornish + Cornish + Scottish @ 2.117296
17 Cornish + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 2.133714
18 Cornish + IE + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.159240
19 Cornish + IE + IE + Orcadian @ 2.173518
20 Cornish + NL + Orcadian + Scottish @ 2.174028

Done.

[Heather Duval]

Jesus...

[TEUTORIGOS]

Jesus...

Yeah, it is pretty confusing shit. This is definitely an inexact science.

[Iloko]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3711040/How-British-Genetic-study-reveals-Yorkshire-Anglo-Saxon-UK-East-Midlands-Scandinavian.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/28/13/36AB019600000578-3711040-image-a-7_1469709880933.jpg

[TEUTORIGOS]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3711040/How-British-Genetic-study-reveals-Yorkshire-Anglo-Saxon-UK-East-Midlands-Scandinavian.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/07/28/13/36AB019600000578-3711040-image-a-7_1469709880933.jpg

So are you saying I should ignore MyHeritage results and go with AncestryDNA ? Because they both say something different. They both say I am pretty much the same amount of British/Anglo-Saxon , more or less, but the Irish/Welsh/Scottish/Celtic and Scandinavian components are significantly different.

[Iloko]

So are you saying I should ignore MyHeritage results and go with AncestryDNA ? Because they both say something different. They both say I am pretty much the same amount of British/Anglo-Saxon , more or less, but the Irish/Welsh/Scottish/Celtic and Scandinavian components are significantly different.
Well each company will have their own method of calculation of course, but the raw data is the same whether you upload them onto Gedmatch or Myheritage etc, so you might be able to see some sort of correlation/pattern when comparing Ancestry.com to MyHeritage.com results is all I'm trying to mention.

But IMO I actually would trust MyHeritage.com results more as Ancestry.com operates more as a "best-fit" breakdown similar to a Gedmatch Oracle which I believe provides a more broad approximation of ancestry. In my case Ancestry.com gave me incredibly wild results, while MyHeritage was incredibly accurate for me.

What's your known ancestry by paper/genealogy? ...It looks to me like you're half English + a quarter Scottish/Irish + a quarter Scandinavian & some trace Native American, but I'm not an expert on Euro genetics.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Well each company will have their own method of calculation of course, but the raw data is the same whether you upload them onto Gedmatch or Myheritage etc, so you might be able to see some sort of correlation/pattern when comparing Ancestry.com to MyHeritage.com results is all I'm trying to mention.

I know what you mean, now. The pattern I am starting to see (when using GEDmatch Eurogens, too) is more of a Scottish or Scottish+English one now (Scots and English can have scandinavian blood ). I am trying to keep an open mind ,though, so I might be Ulster Irish.


But IMO I actually would trust MyHeritage.com results more as Ancestry.com operates more as a "best-fit" breakdown similar to a Gedmatch Oracle which I believe provides a more broad approximation of ancestry. In my case Ancestry.com gave me incredibly wild results, while MyHeritage was incredibly accurate for me.

Yeah, AncestryDNA is owned by Mormon Americans and Myheritage.com is owned by Israeli Jews and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter than Mormons so that is part of the reason I want to go with Myheritage's results, as well.


What's your known ancestry by paper/genealogy? ...It looks to me like you're half English + a quarter Scottish/Irish + a quarter Scandinavian & some trace Native American, but I'm not an expert on Euro genetics.

Uh, my paper trail is Ulster Ireland (which could be Scottish, Scottish+English or Ulster Irish etc..), English, probably some Scottish, West German(ic) from Alsace-Lorraine France which seems to go into the Norman/Saxon English DNA because it was mixed with an 'Irish' grandfather before making into my autosomal DNA, and SouthEast Irish or SouthMiddleEast Irish.

[Oneeye]

I know what you mean, now. The pattern I am starting to see (when using GEDmatch Eurogens, too) is more of a Scottish or Scottish+English one now (Scots and English can have scandinavian blood ). I am trying to keep an open mind ,though, so I might be Ulster Irish.



Yeah, AncestryDNA is owned by Mormon Americans and Myheritage.com is owned by Israeli Jews and Ashkenazi Jews are smarter than Mormons so that is part of the reason I want to go with Myheritage's results, as well.



Uh, my paper trail is Ulster Ireland (which could be Scottish, Scottish+English or Ulster Irish etc..), English, probably some Scottish, West German(ic) from Alsace-Lorraine France which seems to go into the Norman/Saxon English DNA because it was mixed with an 'Irish' grandfather before making into my autosomal DNA, and SouthEast Irish or SouthMiddleEast Irish.

Do you know how much Scotch Irish vs. English vs. Irish you have?

[TEUTORIGOS]

Someone posted this on another forum :



The difference between Ulster Scots and the Native Irish isn't a very big difference to begin with, both are closer to the Irish than to the English, so it's not that it's been mixed out its that they were two incredibly similar populations to begin with and the test can't tell the difference

One woman on the Ancestry DNA forums a while ago wrote a post because she was confused that she basically got only "Ireland" and no British, and that she was Scottish. I asked her if her family was from western Scotland and she said that it was.

If your goal is to tease apart very similar populations like the Irish, Ulster Scots, and Highland Scots, Ancestry DNA can't do it, they'll all match with Ireland. Living DNA may be able to do it after the Ireland project is released, but that will be over a year from now I think.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Do you know how much Scotch Irish vs. English vs. Irish you have?

I am not really sure and no one can be really sure of their paper trail. See my post exactly above this one. I have to wait more than a year for the possibility of finding out via genetic tests with POBI/LivingDNA plus the Irish Atlas project (LivingDNA will subsume it). The Irish Atlas project will be released in 3 days , though. Apparently the Ulster Irish and SouthWest Scottish are pretty much the same people, though, according to the Irish Atlas project.

[Turul Karom]

I am not really sure and no one can be really sure of their paper trail. See my post exactly above this one. I have to wait more than a year for the possibility of finding out via genetic tests with POBI/LivingDNA plus the Irish Atlas project (LivingDNA will subsume it). The Irish Atlas project will be released in 3 days , though. Apparently the Ulster Irish and SouthWest Scottish are pretty much the same people, though, according to the Irish Atlas project.

I think you can call yourself "British", based on what you have shown so far. Use more GEDmatch calculators, and make a list with the top 5 or 10 reference populations for as many calculators as you can that are not ethnic-specific (like the ones designed to test Africans, otherwise you will get weird results like Egyptian as a placeholder for non SSA admix). Then take the list of all the 5 to 10 top populations, and make a statistical average of which ethnic group comes out at #1 the highest frequency #2, etc. You can then do this for each population, based on how high it is on your list, and how often it shows up. The higher up on the list, and the more it shows up, the greater you can feel about that being your "predominant ethnicity". You can then post for us the calculator results that give you that ethnicity, which you just deduced as most probable. Using just one company's oracle is not the best way to go about things, in my opinion. This is why GEDmatch is a superior service.

We are all mixed with various regions of the world. It is important to take your own personal culture into consideration.

Hope this was helpful.

[TEUTORIGOS]

I think you can call yourself "British", based on what you have shown so far. Use more GEDmatch calculators, and make a list with the top 5 or 10 reference populations for as many calculators as you can that are not ethnic-specific (like the ones designed to test Africans, otherwise you will get weird results like Egyptian as a placeholder for non SSA admix). Then take the list of all the 5 to 10 top populations, and make a statistical average of which ethnic group comes out at #1 the highest frequency #2, etc. You can then do this for each population, based on how high it is on your list, and how often it shows up. The higher up on the list, and the more it shows up, the greater you can feel about that being your "predominant ethnicity". You can then post for us the calculator results that give you that ethnicity, which you just deduced as most probable. Using just one company's oracle is not the best way to go about things, in my opinion. This is why GEDmatch is a superior service.

We are all mixed with various regions of the world. It is important to take your own personal culture into consideration.

Hope this was helpful.

Ok, thanks for the reply, I think your basic idea is sound , more or less, about making a statistical average so I will keep you updated but for now I'll leave this for the interim for entertainment (this is kind of tongue-in-cheek since I am from a New York USA culture which is Catholic and Jewish on an old Dutch Protestant root ) :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkF_XpA5P48

[Hadouken]

what you wrote on your ethnicity seems to match pretty well with your results

you seem basically like a UK/Irish person that has some "shift" towards central/northwest europe

[TEUTORIGOS]

what you wrote on your ethnicity seems to match pretty well with your results

you seem basically like a UK/Irish person that has some "shift" towards central/northwest europe

No offense but I don't think you are interpreting the data correctly. If you look at the map Shazouzu posted and what Turul Karom said "We are all mixed with various regions of the world" then the point is I want to know what my closest ethnic analogue is in Europe. Obviously, it is either the Irish or British. The British themselves are mutts. For instance, an English person on AncestryDNA may show up as British, Irish, Western European, and small amounts of like 2% of Greek etc... the question is not whether I am mixed it is whether my mix is too much out of the ordinary for a British person which it is not since AncestryDNA's Western European category is German/French. Dude, it is not like I am some weird American mix that doesn't exist in Europe like Italian, Polish, Irish and Finnish or something .

[Hadouken]

No offense but I don't think you are interpreting the data correctly. If you look at the map Shazou (spelling ?) posted and and Turul Karom said "We are all mixed with various regions of the world" then the point is I want to know what my closest ethnic analogue is in Europe. Obviously, it is either the Irish or British. The British themselves are mutts. For instance, an English person on AncestryDNA ,may show up as British, Irish, Western European, small amounts of like 2% of Greek etc... the question is not whether I am mixed it is whether my mix is too much out of the ordinary for a British person which it is not since AncestryDNA's Western European category is German/French. Dude, it is not like I am some weird American mix that doesn't exist in Europe like Italian, Polish, Irish and Finnish or something .

yes you are right I agree . you do come out very british/irish like

[Root]

Briefly you're a pan-westerner, celto-roman-germanic

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

You seem to be Iberian judging by your results.

[Grace O'Malley]

Your Ancestry result is very similar to a lot of more English testers. You're obviously a mixture of Insular Celtic with some Germanic.

At least now you're aware of how close the Irish are to the British. I remember when you used to post those old dna articles about the Irish being Basque and the English Germanic. :) Your paper trail does match your dna fairly well. The Gedmatch calculators only show what populations you match using what admixture score you get. You can end up with any Northwest European population in your top results. I know my ancestry well but with Gedmatch I get varied Northwestern European countries like yourself. My most common no 1 is Orcadian even though I know all my ancestry in the last 200 years is Irish.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Your Ancestry result is very similar to a lot of more English testers. You're obviously a mixture of Insular Celtic with some Germanic.

At least now you're aware of how close the Irish are to the British. I remember when you used to post those old dna articles about the Irish being Basque and the English Germanic. :) Your paper trail does match your dna fairly well. The Gedmatch calculators only show what populations you match using what admixture score you get. You can end up with any Northwest European population in your top results. I know my ancestry well but with Gedmatch I get varied Northwestern European countries like yourself. My most common no 1 is Orcadian even though I know all my ancestry in the last 200 years is Irish.

I think , on GEDmatch, Orcadian can be a proxy for Irish and South Dutch can be a proxy for West German. I think the Ulster Irish and the SouthWest Scottish are basically the same people more or less and I am not even just talking about the plantation but before that with the Kingdom of Dal Riata etc... it is going to take a while for a DNA test that will be able to tell me if I am Ulster Irish or SouthWest Scottish definitively but LivingDNA may be able to do that in a little over a year. Right now AncestryDNA can only tell me that I am 'Ulster Irish' with a 60% probability, in beta mode, which is not as good as something 90% , obviously. At this point I just have to be patient and wait for the LivingDNA commercial genetic testing company to advance to the point where it can tell me exactly what I am. You say my results are more similar to a lot of more English testers but mainland Scottish people are like halfway genetically between the native Irish/Welsh and the English/Germanics. Also, like I said, the difference between the Ulster Irish and the SouthWest Scottish is extremely minimal.

[TEUTORIGOS]

You seem to be Iberian judging by your results.

Lay off the crack pipe. Drugs are bad mmmmkay ?

[Hudayar]

Try MDLP K23

[Dick]

indigenous Brit.

[Neon Knight]

Mainland Scots are closer to English than Welsh and probably inbetween English and Irish.

I've already coined a term for what you are: Britannic.

Now you just need to swear allegiance to the Queen.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think , on GEDmatch, Orcadian can be a proxy for Irish and South Dutch can be a proxy for West German. I think the Ulster Irish and the SouthWest Scottish are basically the same people more or less and I am not even just talking about the plantation but before that with the Kingdom of Dal Riata etc... it is going to take a while for a DNA test that will be able to tell me if I am Ulster Irish or SouthWest Scottish definitively but LivingDNA may be able to do that in a little over a year. Right now AncestryDNA can only tell me that I am 'Ulster Irish' with a 60% probability, in beta mode, which is not as good as something 90% , obviously. At this point I just have to be patient and wait for the LivingDNA commercial genetic testing company to advance to the point where it can tell me exactly what I am. You say my results are more similar to a lot of more English testers but mainland Scottish people are like halfway genetically between the native Irish/Welsh and the English/Germanics. Also, like I said, the difference between the Ulster Irish and the SouthWest Scottish is extremely minimal.

Yes I've done LivingDNA so quite familiar with it. The Scots are between the Irish and English and the English are between the Irish/Scots and the Welsh according to the Irish DNA project but as we know there will hopefully updates to this shortly.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ae/13/2a/ae132ae80e5b17ed3526cfbdcf8ce89a.jpg

[Peterski]

Similarity between Ulster and Scotland can date back even to Dal Riata Kingdom.

Because Gaelic Scottish is a language which originated in Northern Ireland.

Later many Scots migrated to Ulster, but it can be considered a back-migration.

[Grace O'Malley]

Similarity between Ulster and Scotland can date back even to Dal Riata Kingdom.

Because Gaelic Scottish is a language which originated in Northern Ireland.

Later many Scots migrated to Ulster, but it can be considered a back-migration.

Sorry to be pedantic but Gaelic originated in Ireland. I've got quite strong Dal Riata connections. The name Scotland was actually named after the Roman name for the Irish e.g. Scoti. In Ireland the language is called Gaeilge or in English it is just called Irish, in Scotland it is called Gàidhlig. With Manx both Gaeilge and Gaidhlig developed from Middle Irish.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Some people say that populations like the Ulster Irish and Scottish are too close to distinguish with current commercial DNA tests. However, I read that unlike the rest of the U.K. and unlike Ireland : Scottish residents have the highest amount of Finnish/Northwest Russian (1.31% on average) heritage, which is explained by their geographic proximity.

AncestryDNA has me as :

52% Irish
37% British
6% Scandinavian
>1% Finnish

etc...

Which could be either a Scottish or Ulster Irish result but dna.land has me as 1.8% Finnish, Gencove has me as 2% NorthEastern European (one of the sample populations is Finnish), and Eurogenes K36 has my FennoScandian @9.68 so my Norse score could be like 6%-7% or whatnot and the rest of the Fennoscandian Finnish.

So , can I infer , based on this information, that I am indeed Scottish-American and not Irish-American ? Also, if this is the case then can this be the key to differentiating the populations rather than having to wait for the new Irish DNA project to be subsumed by LivingDNA ?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

[TEUTORIGOS]

Similarity between Ulster and Scotland can date back even to Dal Riata Kingdom.

Because Gaelic Scottish is a language which originated in Northern Ireland.

Later many Scots migrated to Ulster, but it can be considered a back-migration.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNdotS1kB6Q

http://assets.fightland.com/content-images/contentimage/52771/robroy333.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Dalriada.jpg/200px-Dalriada.jpg

[TEUTORIGOS]

I did an nMonte calculation on all the relevant Eurogenes' calculators. Anyway, AncestryDNA only says I am 'Ulster Irish' with a 60% probability and the 'Scotch-Irish' category is subsumed by a wider Scottish genetic communities category and is different from 'Ulster Irish' supposedly. I think once LivingDNA subsumes an Irish DNA project I will have to test with them to get definitive answers. Anyway, for now, my nMonte results :

Eurogenes K15

1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Southwest_English Southeast_English North_Dutch Danish West_Scottish Irish Orcadian
4.218637 4.301383 4.412743 4.776264 4.957267 5.015775 5.144900

North_German
6.143688

1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
[1] "distance%=2.1513 / distance=0.021513"

Kevin

West_Norwegian 45.65
Orcadian 33.85
French_Basque 12.70
Chechen 3.70
Erzya 1.00
Chuvash 0.80
Mari 0.60
Papuan 0.60
Yoruban 0.55
Norwegian 0.20
Estonian 0.10
Kargopol_Russian 0.05
Mandenka 0.05
Mayan 0.05
Southwest_English 0.05
Southwest_Finnish 0.05
[1] "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"

[1] "distance%=1.8347 / distance=0.018347"

Kevin

Orcadian 46.35
West_Norwegian 34.20
French_Basque 11.30
Erzya 4.45
Chechen 3.70

Eurogenes K13

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Irish Orcadian West_Scottish Southwest_English North_Dutch Danish Southeast_English Norwegian
3.867299 4 .414148 4.824790 5.394238 5.464540 6.246231 6.295355 7.102232

[1] "distance%=2.1513 / distance=0.021513"

Irish 74.60
Norwegian 6.20
Swedish 4.75
West_Scottish 4.60
French_Basque 4.40
Ossetian 1.70
Selkup 1.25
North_Ossetian 1.20
Papuan 0.50
Tabassaran 0.25
Yoruban 0.20
Bantu_S.E. 0.15
Bantu_S.W. 0.05
Chechen 0.05
Kabardin 0.05
Southwest_English 0.05

[1] "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"
1] "distance%=2.2236 / distance=0.022236"

Irish 86.15
Swedish 4.75
French_Basque 4.10
North_Ossetian 3.40
Selkup 1.60
Norwegian 0.00
Ossetian 0.00
West_Scottish 0.00

Eurogenes Eutest

Orcadian Cornish IE Scottish English NL West_Central_German
2.582518 2.936035 2.942414 3.634171 4.973269 5.759922 6.994162

DK
7.564020


[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"

[1] "distance%=0.8694 / distance=0.008694"

me

Scottish 61.25
English 27.45
FR 4.40
French_Basque 3.15
South_Indian 1.50
LIT 1.35
Yoruba 0.55
Nganassan 0.30
GE 0.05

[1] "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"

[1] "distance%=1.0505 / distance=0.010505"

me

Scottish 64.35
English 22.75
FR 8.55
South_Indian 1.60
French_Basque 1.50
LIT 1.25


Eurogene's k36

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Central_Dutch Scotland North_Dutch NW-England German_North Denmark SE_England British_mixed
6.688725 9.035007 9.168711 9.725556 9.751437 10.259029 10.285527 10.813948

[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"

[1] "distance%=6.0561 / distance=0.060561"

kevin

Central_Dutch 61.70
North_Dutch 21.80
Scotland 8.40
Brahui_PAK 2.20
Austria_Tyrol 2.10
SW-England 0.80
Burusho_PAK 0.70
NW-England 0.70
Biaka_Pygmy 0.30
Sioux_SouthDakota 0.30
Australia_Abo 0.25
Ireland 0.20
Melanesian 0.15
Sa_Khoisan 0.10
England_Cumberland 0.10
Welsh 0.10
Orcadian 0.05
British_mixed 0.05

[1] "3. RESTRICTED nMONTE"

[1] "distance%=5.9524 / distance=0.059524"

kevin

Central_Dutch 84.40
North_Dutch 10.55
Brahui_PAK 3.00
Scotland 2.05
Austria_Tyrol 0.00

[TEUTORIGOS]

Try MDLP K23

MDLP k23b is only good for a general overview it is not as microcosmic to Europeans as Eurogenes :

MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 38.23
2 European_Early_Farmers 27.48
3 Caucasian 20.67
4 South_Central_Asian 6.96
5 Ancestral_Altaic 3.47


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish_ @ 2.863693
2 Frisian_ @ 3.202352
3 North_European_ @ 3.408924
4 English_ @ 3.440974
5 Belgian_ @ 3.951175
6 Dutch_ @ 4.173896
7 CEU_ @ 4.817725
8 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 5.346879
9 South_German_ @ 5.379081
10 British_ @ 5.589827
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 5.751863
12 Norwegian_East_ @ 5.858009
13 Welsh_ @ 6.032094
14 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 6.126009
15 Icelandic_ @ 6.310972
16 Norwegian_West_ @ 6.457191
17 Orcadian_ @ 6.870041
18 German-Volga_ @ 7.257523
19 North_German_ @ 7.260452
20 Dane_ @ 7.560017

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ +50% South_German_ @ 2.404501


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish_ +25% Irish_ +25% North_German_ @ 1.908688


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++
1 CEU_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 1.867592
2 Irish_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 1.908688
3 British_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 1.913817
4 Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ + Welsh_ @ 1.916089
5 Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 1.928502
6 Frisian_ + Irish_ + North_German_ + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 1.943996
7 Irish_ + Irish_ + North_European_ + North_German_ @ 1.950007
8 Frisian_ + Irish_ + North_German_ + Welsh_ @ 1.964724
9 Icelandic_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + South_German_ @ 1.975746
10 CEU_ + Frisian_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 1.976505
11 English_Kent_GBR_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 1.992123
12 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 2.044844
13 British_ + Frisian_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 2.054848
14 Frisian_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 2.060970
15 English_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ @ 2.061353
16 Irish_ + Irish_ + North_German_ + Orcadian_ @ 2.065250
17 Frisian_ + Icelandic_ + Irish_ + South_German_ @ 2.086371
18 Irish_ + Irish_ + Norwegian_West_ + South_German_ @ 2.090078
19 Irish_ + Irish_ + Irish_ + Norwegian_East_ @ 2.103075
20 Dutch_ + Irish_ + North_German_ + Welsh_ @ 2.103286

[code]

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
Irish Frisian English North_European Belgian Dutch CEU South_German
2.950966 3.281067 3.505795 3.508290 4.013826 4.048407 4.963446 5.336291

[1] "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"

[1] "distance%=1.0184 / distance=0.010184"


Frisian 19.80
Latvian 17.75
Basque_French 13.40
Irish 9.35
Kashub 7.65
Basque_Spanish 6.65
Lithuanian 6.30
British 3.40
Avar 2.85
Georgian_Imereti 2.20
Tabassaran 1.25
Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS 1.20
Belarusian_South 1.15
Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 1.00
Belarusian 0.80
Kalash 0.65
Eskimo_Naukan 0.60
Dargin_Urkarah 0.40
Koinanbe 0.40
Estonian 0.30
Ju_hoan_North 0.30
Lezgin 0.30
Orcadian 0.25
North_German 0.20
Pygmy 0.20
CEU 0.15
Kosipe 0.15
Pole 0.15
Balt 0.10
Georgian_Svan 0.10
Icelandic 0.10
Lak 0.10
Naro 0.10
Norwegian_West 0.10
Sorb 0.10
Belarusian_Russian 0.05
Belgian 0.05
Dutch 0.05
English_Cornwall_GBR 0.05
English_Kent_GBR 0.05
German 0.05
Norwegian_East 0.05
Swede_Saami 0.05
Ukrainian_Center 0.05


[1] "distance%=1.4605 / distance=0.014605"


Latvian 37.55
Basque_French 26.95
Frisian 20.40
Tabassaran 9.25
Georgian_Imereti 2.90
British 2.30
Belarusian_South 0.65
Avar 0.00
Basque_Spanish 0.00
Irish 0.00
Kashub 0.00
Lithuanian 0.00
Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR 0.00

[Hudayar]

MDLP k23b is only good for a general overview it is not as microcosmic to Europeans as Eurogenes :


1 50% Irish_ +25% Irish_ +25% North_German_ @ 1.908688

this is very close because you're 75% British and 25% Alsace Lorraine French. French people from Alsace Lorraine either have lots of German dna or they're just Germans who speak French. British are genetically pretty close to the Irish too

[de Burgh II]

Simply said; your ancestry is of mixed-European descent. British Isles mainly with a slight shift towards continental Germanics (i.e. Germans, Dutch, etc.).

[TEUTORIGOS]

I think you can call yourself "British", based on what you have shown so far. Use more GEDmatch calculators, and make a list with the top 5 or 10 reference populations for as many calculators as you can that are not ethnic-specific (like the ones designed to test Africans, otherwise you will get weird results like Egyptian as a placeholder for non SSA admix). Then take the list of all the 5 to 10 top populations, and make a statistical average of which ethnic group comes out at #1 the highest frequency #2, etc. You can then do this for each population, based on how high it is on your list, and how often it shows up. The higher up on the list, and the more it shows up, the greater you can feel about that being your "predominant ethnicity". You can then post for us the calculator results that give you that ethnicity, which you just deduced as most probable. Using just one company's oracle is not the best way to go about things, in my opinion. This is why GEDmatch is a superior service.

We are all mixed with various regions of the world. It is important to take your own personal culture into consideration.

Hope this was helpful.

MDLP

K11 Modern - 1 British_Celtic @ 2.964700
K16 Modern - 1 English_Cornwall @ 2.193415
K23b - 1 Irish_ @ 2.863693
World 22 - 1 German_V_derived @ 4.388901
World - 1 German_V @ 2.864914

Eurogenes

K13 - 1 Irish @ 3.849845
K15 EU Test - 1 Southwest_English @ 4.214358
JTest - 1 IE @ 3.546901
EU Test - 1 Orcadian @ 2.572646
Unofficial k36 Oracle 1 Central_Dutch @ 6.699237
Unofficial K36 Oracle in Guassian mode 1 SW-England @ 4.137863

Dodecad

V3 - 1 Argyll_1000 Genomes @ 2.249808
World 9 - 1 Dutch_Dodecad @ 3.361753
K7b - 1 German_Dodecad @ 3.470337
K12b - 1 Mixed_Germanic_Dodecad @ 3.541688

PuntDNAL

K10 - 1 Utahn_white @ 1.591345
K12 Ancient - 1 Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 3.558241
K12 Modern - 1 English_South 2.54
K13 - 1 Scottish @ 4.693228
K15 - 1 Irish @ 2.441728

4 results for English
4 results for Irish
4 results for German/Germanic
3 results for Scottish
2 results for Dutch

[TEUTORIGOS]

Simply said; your ancestry is of mixed-European descent. British Isles mainly with a slight shift towards continental Germanics (i.e. Germans, Dutch, etc.).

Yeah, but the British have significant continental European Germanic admixture too it is called 'Europe West' on AncestryDNA.

[TEUTORIGOS]

This further confuses the matter even more. My GPS map placement according to K36 tool :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/megps_zpsvcfay8nx.jpg

.... but AncestryDNA places me in Ulster Ireland :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/ancestry_zpslgi1dnaq.png

[zhaoyun]

And youve been posing as a French count this whole time? SMDH

[TEUTORIGOS]

And youve been posing as a French count this whole time? SMDH

sacré bleu ! Hey your chinese you are supposed to be smart so WTF is my ethnicity ? I am thinking that the science is not ready enough to differentiate between populations in the British Isles. It can tell you if you are something like very different like Italian or Finnish but not if you are like Irish or Scottish. What do you think ? This shit is like waste of time right ?

[zhaoyun]

sacré bleu ! Hey your chinese you are supposed to be smart so WTF is my ethnicity ? I am thinking that the science is not ready enough to differentiate between populations in the British Isles. It can tell you if you are something like very different like Italian or Finnish but not if you are like Irish or Scottish. What do you think ? This shit is like waste of time right ?

Based on your results, I'd just say you're basically British Isles.

[TEUTORIGOS]

And youve been posing as a French count this whole time? SMDH

For the LULZ ! I am better than French :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/megps_zpsvcfay8nx.jpg

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZGgU8zRBDM

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[TEUTORIGOS]

Based on your results, I'd just say you're basically British Isles.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock but the Irish and English are different culturally so it would be nice to know which one I am closer to or if I am Scottish.

[TEUTORIGOS]

And youve been posing as a French count this whole time? SMDH

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/patriotic-frenchman-stereotypical-french-man-flag-47012636.jpg

FRENCH

Racial Characteristics:

Sawed-off sissies who eat snails and slugs and cheese that smells like people's feet. They take
filthy pictures of each other with cheap cameras, wash nothing but their cunts, fight with their
feet, and perform sex acts with their faces. Utter cowards who force their own children to drink
wine, they gibber like baboons even when you try to speak to them in their own wimpy
language.

Good Points:

Invented the blowjob.

Proper Forms of Address:

Froggy, froggy-wog, frog-eater, French-lips, Franco fuck-face, clit-lick.
An Anecdote Illustrating Something of the French Character:

A Frenchman goes home with his best friend and they find the friend's wife laying naked on the
dining room table with her legs spread apart. The Frenchman takes a close look at her cunt and
says, "Zees looks like zee menstrual blood!" Then he bends down, takes a deep whiff, and says,

"Zees smells like zee menstrual blood!" Finally he gets down on his knees, eats her out for
about twenty minutes, and says, "Zees tastes like zee menstrual blood! Without a doubt, it eez
zee menstrual blood! Mon dieu, I am glad zat we did not fuck her! !"

[zhaoyun]

Yeah, no shit Sherlock but the Irish and English are different culturally so it would be nice to know which one I am closer to or if I am Scottish.

Well, you seem to be a mix of these ethnicities just like a lot of White Americans. Didn't your family ever talk about their roots?

[SvartVarg]

Yeah, no shit Sherlock but the Irish and English are different culturally so it would be nice to know which one I am closer to or if I am Scottish.

You're American of mixed Isles ancestry, some Continental.


As for Scottish the "Orcadian" on gedmatch, like LivingDNA, is just traced ancestry - they weren't, to my knowledge, born in Orkney. One of the identifying factors of Scottish ancestry is "Finnish" DNA as Scots score the highest Finnish-like DNA in the UK. An American friend of mine with some Scottish ancestry, for example, gets 11% "Finnish" on DNALand and that Scottish ancestry is a number of generations removed.

This is an ethnic northern Scot, his ancestry is north of Inverness, for reference.


k13
1 Irish @ 2.576169
2 Orcadian @ 2.723097
3 West_Scottish @ 2.754810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.008368

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Orcadian +25% Southwest_English @ 2.004525

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.910723
2 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.918854
3 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.956469



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% Irish + 6.9% Southwest_French @ 1.8
2 93.3% Irish + 6.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.81
3 93.4% Irish + 6.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.82



k15
Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 4.941873
2 Orcadian @ 4.943388
3 Southwest_English @ 5.627104

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Norwegian @ 2.911190

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 2.911190

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.911190
2 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 3.172287
3 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 3.195574


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.7% Southwest_English + 44.3% West_Norwegian @ 2.67
2 84.8% West_Norwegian + 15.2% French_Basque @ 2.68
3 81.1% West_Norwegian + 18.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.69



EUTest

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 3.677437
2 NL @ 5.870662
3 Cornish @ 6.385978

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% English @ 3.677437

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English +25% English @ 3.677437

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English + English @ 3.677437
2 English + English + English + NL @ 4.137481
3 English + English + English + West_&_Central_German @ 4.144045


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.8% English + 1.2% Druze @ 3.09
2 98.3% English + 1.7% Tuscan @ 3.14
3 99.4% English + 0.6% Samaritan @ 3.15



MDLP 16

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_Kent @ 2.490964
2 English_Cornwall @ 3.792462
3 Irish_Connacht @ 3.949012

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_France +50% Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.279998

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_France +25% Norwegian_Norwegia +25% Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.279998

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Basque_Spain + Dutch_Netherlands + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.949247
2 Basque_Spain + Belarusian_Belarus + Dutch_Netherlands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.997746
3 Basque_France + Dutch_Netherlands + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Pole_EastPoland @ 2.003801


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 12.8% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.01
2 90.6% English (Kent) + 9.4% Finn (Finland) @ 2.12
3 93.3% English (Kent) + 6.7% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) @ 2.15



MDLP 23b

1 Belgian_ @ 3.084090
2 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 3.275918
3 English_ @ 3.364782

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian_ +50% British_ @ 2.271760

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian_ +25% English_Cornwall_GBR_ +25% Norwegian_West_ @ 2.242048

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + German-Volga_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 2.205020
2 Belgian_ + Belgian_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 2.242048
3 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + German-Volga_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 2.243715


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 6.9% Udmurd ( ) @ 1.68
2 92.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7.6% Komi ( ) @ 1.74
3 92% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) @ 1.77

7 90.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.3% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 1.95
8 90.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.5% Finnish-East ( ) @ 1.96
9 90.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.3% Finn_East ( ) @ 1.96
10 91.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.8% Finn ( ) @ 1.97
11 93% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7% Chuvashs ( ) @ 1.97
12 71.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 28.4% Swede ( ) @ 1.97
13 87.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 12.3% Finn_West ( ) @ 2
14 83.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 16.1% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 2
15 93% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 2.01


Regarding what you are it is possible, given the genetic overlap between populations, your familial claims [/paper trail] may shed more light on what your breakdown is than genetics.

[TEUTORIGOS]

You're American of mixed Isles ancestry, some Continental.


As for Scottish the "Orcadian" on gedmatch, like LivingDNA, is just traced ancestry - they weren't, to my knowledge, born in Orkney. One of the identifying factors of Scottish ancestry is "Finnish" DNA as Scots score the highest Finnish-like DNA in the UK. An American friend of mine with some Scottish ancestry, for example, gets 11% "Finnish" on DNALand and that Scottish ancestry is a number of generations removed.

This is an ethnic northern Scot, his ancestry is north of Inverness, for reference.


k13
1 Irish @ 2.576169
2 Orcadian @ 2.723097
3 West_Scottish @ 2.754810

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 2.008368

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Orcadian +25% Southwest_English @ 2.004525

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.910723
2 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 1.918854
3 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.956469



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% Irish + 6.9% Southwest_French @ 1.8
2 93.3% Irish + 6.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.81
3 93.4% Irish + 6.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.82



k15
Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 4.941873
2 Orcadian @ 4.943388
3 Southwest_English @ 5.627104

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Norwegian @ 2.911190

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Southwest_English +25% West_Norwegian +25% West_Norwegian @ 2.911190

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 2.911190
2 Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 3.172287
3 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 3.195574


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.7% Southwest_English + 44.3% West_Norwegian @ 2.67
2 84.8% West_Norwegian + 15.2% French_Basque @ 2.68
3 81.1% West_Norwegian + 18.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.69



EUTest

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 3.677437
2 NL @ 5.870662
3 Cornish @ 6.385978

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% English +50% English @ 3.677437

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English +25% English @ 3.677437

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English + English @ 3.677437
2 English + English + English + NL @ 4.137481
3 English + English + English + West_&_Central_German @ 4.144045


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.8% English + 1.2% Druze @ 3.09
2 98.3% English + 1.7% Tuscan @ 3.14
3 99.4% English + 0.6% Samaritan @ 3.15



MDLP 16

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_Kent @ 2.490964
2 English_Cornwall @ 3.792462
3 Irish_Connacht @ 3.949012

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_France +50% Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.279998

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French_France +25% Norwegian_Norwegia +25% Norwegian_Norwegia @ 2.279998

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Basque_Spain + Dutch_Netherlands + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.949247
2 Basque_Spain + Belarusian_Belarus + Dutch_Netherlands + Pole_EastPoland @ 1.997746
3 Basque_France + Dutch_Netherlands + Lithuanian_Lithuania + Pole_EastPoland @ 2.003801


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 12.8% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 2.01
2 90.6% English (Kent) + 9.4% Finn (Finland) @ 2.12
3 93.3% English (Kent) + 6.7% Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) @ 2.15



MDLP 23b

1 Belgian_ @ 3.084090
2 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 3.275918
3 English_ @ 3.364782

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian_ +50% British_ @ 2.271760

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Belgian_ +25% English_Cornwall_GBR_ +25% Norwegian_West_ @ 2.242048

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + German-Volga_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 2.205020
2 Belgian_ + Belgian_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 2.242048
3 English_Cornwall_GBR_ + English_Kent_GBR_ + German-Volga_ + Norwegian_West_ @ 2.243715


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 93.1% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 6.9% Udmurd ( ) @ 1.68
2 92.4% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7.6% Komi ( ) @ 1.74
3 92% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8% Tatar_Kryashen ( ) @ 1.77

7 90.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.3% Finnish_FIN ( ) @ 1.95
8 90.5% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.5% Finnish-East ( ) @ 1.96
9 90.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 9.3% Finn_East ( ) @ 1.96
10 91.2% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 8.8% Finn ( ) @ 1.97
11 93% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7% Chuvashs ( ) @ 1.97
12 71.6% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 28.4% Swede ( ) @ 1.97
13 87.7% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 12.3% Finn_West ( ) @ 2
14 83.9% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 16.1% Swede_Saami ( ) @ 2
15 93% English_Kent_GBR ( ) + 7% Saami_Kola ( ) @ 2.01


Regarding what you are it is possible, given the genetic overlap between populations, your familial claims [/paper trail] may shed more light on what your breakdown is than genetics.

I get 1.8% Finnish according to dna.land and the average amount of Finnish for Scots is 1.31%. Anyway, Scots are not one ethnic group so comparing myself to a Scot from Argyll-Bute or perhaps SouthWestern Scotland would make more sense than a Northern Scot.

[SvartVarg]

I get 1.8% Finnish according to dna.land and the average amount of Finnish for Scots is 1.31%. Anyway, Scots are not one ethnic group so comparing myself to a Scot from Argyll-Bute or perhaps SouthWestern Scotland would make more sense than a Northern Scot.


Myheritage.com says I am 40.1% English (which is similar to AncestryDNA's 37 % British/English/Anglo-Saxon), 35.7 % Scottish,Irish, Welsh, 24.2 % Scandinavian and 1.7% Central Asian which would be more of a Northern Scottish result.

:thumb001:

[TEUTORIGOS]

:thumb001:

Yeah, you don't have to go out of your way to get another Scottish sample from Argyll-Bute or SouthWestern Scotland but I bet the MyHeritage results less accurate than the AncestryDNA results.

[SvartVarg]

Yeah, you don't have to go out of your way to get another Scottish sample from Argyll-Bute or SouthWestern Scotland but I bet the MyHeritage results less accurate than the AncestryDNA results.

You've said it before, in many ways, DNA just isn't at the stage where the accuracy isn't questionable.