Turul Karom GEDmatch & DNA Results

[Turul Karom]

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Dodecad K7b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 Atlantic_Baltic 67
2 Southern 15.81
3 West_Asian 15.59
4 Siberian 0.78
5 East_Asian 0.62
6 South_Asian 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.59
2 French (HGDP) 6.72
3 French (Dodecad) 7.37
4 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 8.39
5 German (Dodecad) 8.69
6 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 9.49
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 9.65
8 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.93
9 Kent (1000Genomes) 10.13
10 English (Dodecad) 10.57
11 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 10.72
12 British (Dodecad) 11.87
13 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 11.93
14 Argyll (1000Genomes) 12.02
15 Irish (Dodecad) 12.03
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 12.06
17 Orcadian (HGDP) 12.48
18 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.14
19 Romanians (Behar) 13.33
20 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 13.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 83.8% Kent (1000Genomes) + 16.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 0.48
2 54.4% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 45.6% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.51
3 83.9% Kent (1000Genomes) + 16.1% Turks (Behar) @ 0.53
4 53.9% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 46.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.53
5 56.1% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 43.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.53
6 86.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 13.8% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 0.59
7 86.3% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) + 13.7% Turks (Behar) @ 0.61
8 60.6% German (Dodecad) + 39.4% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.61
9 63.9% German (Dodecad) + 36.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.63
10 83.3% English (Dodecad) + 16.7% Turks (Behar) @ 0.64
11 59.8% Dutch (Dodecad) + 40.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.64
12 64.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 35.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.65
13 52.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 47.4% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.68
14 53% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 47% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 0.69
15 61.5% Dutch (Dodecad) + 38.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.69
16 83.2% English (Dodecad) + 16.8% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 0.7
17 67.5% Polish (Dodecad) + 32.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.71
18 55.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 44.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.72
19 54.6% Lithuanians (Behar) + 45.4% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.73
20 50.6% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 49.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 0.73



Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 WHG 38.53
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.9
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 14.96
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 14.02
5 SW_Asian 8.15
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.44

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Hungarian 4.41
2 Croatian 4.72
3 French 6.59
4 Scottish 7.49
5 English 7.58
6 Czech 8.83
7 Ukrainian 9.69
8 Bulgarian 9.83
9 Norwegian 10.26
10 Icelandic 12.36
11 Spanish 12.67
12 French_South 13.52
13 Belarusian 14.37
14 Russian 15.74
15 Albanian 17.06
16 RISE_baBb 17.24
17 Tuscan 18.04
18 Tatars 18.28
19 Greek 18.84
20 RISE_baSca 20.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 61.8% Bulgarian + 38.2% Russian @ 1.84
2 82% Scottish + 18% Turkish @ 1.99
3 89% Hungarian + 11% Kumyk @ 2.08
4 89.3% Hungarian + 10.7% Adygei @ 2.1
5 67.7% Bulgarian + 32.3% Finnish @ 2.16
6 89.4% Hungarian + 10.6% Chechen @ 2.18
7 90.7% Hungarian + 9.3% Azeri_Dagestan @ 2.21
8 91% Croatian + 9% RISE_irAltai @ 2.26
9 92.5% Hungarian + 7.5% Kurd_C @ 2.29
10 90.1% Hungarian + 9.9% Lezgin @ 2.34
11 89.8% Hungarian + 10.2% Turkish @ 2.35
12 69.2% Bulgarian + 30.8% Karelia @ 2.37
13 91.8% Hungarian + 8.2% Abkhasian @ 2.38
14 50.4% Ukrainian + 49.6% Bulgarian @ 2.4
15 91.4% Hungarian + 8.6% Azeri @ 2.4
16 91.9% Hungarian + 8.1% Georgian @ 2.44
17 85.5% Scottish + 14.5% Armenian @ 2.45
18 66.6% Ukrainian + 33.4% Greek @ 2.47
19 68% Bulgarian + 32% Estonian @ 2.52
20 92.2% Hungarian + 7.8% Iranian @ 2.52


Eurasia K14 Neolithic Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 Early_European_Farmers 46.09
2 Afansievo_Yamnaya 17.02
3 SHG_WHG 14.03
4 Neolithic_Balkan_Farmers 8.53
5 Kalash 5.88
6 SW_Asian 4.77
7 N_Amerindian 2.36
8 S_Indian 1.17
9 Siberian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Bell_Beaker_LN3 8.71
2 HungaryGamba_IA 12.97
3 Bell_Beaker_LN2 15.16
4 HungaryGamba_BA1 15.36
5 Hungarian_BA8 15.44
6 Bell_Beaker_BA1 17.33
7 Nordic_IA 17.77
8 Unetice_BA1 17.93
9 Sintashta_BA 18.05
10 RISE_baSca 19.45
11 Bell_Beaker_LN4 19.5
12 Hungarian_BA7 19.58
13 Nordic_BA1 20.71
14 Bell_Beaker_BA2 21.72
15 Hungarian_BA4 22.04
16 RISE_baSca 24.19
17 Nordic_LN 24.2
18 Bell_Beaker_BA4 24.87
19 Bell_Beaker_BA5 26.11
20 Hungarian_BA3 26.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 77.2% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 22.8% Hungarian_BA3 @ 4.23
2 88.2% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 11.8% Hungarian_BA6 @ 5.34
3 86.2% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 13.8% Armenian_IA @ 5.69
4 86.5% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 13.5% Armenian_BA2 @ 6.08
5 93.8% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 6.2% BedouinB @ 6.13
6 86.8% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 13.2% Hungarian_BA5 @ 6.58
7 66.5% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 33.5% HungaryGamba_IA @ 6.66
8 88.9% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 11.1% Hungarian_BA1 @ 7
9 91% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 9% Kostenki_14 @ 7.16
10 92.9% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 7.1% Armenian_BA1 @ 7.18
11 93.8% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 6.2% HungaryGamba_EN8 @ 7.19
12 60.5% Unetice_BA1 + 39.5% Hungarian_BA3 @ 7.22
13 79.1% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 20.9% Hungarian_BA7 @ 7.27
14 57% Bell_Beaker_BA1 + 43% Hungarian_BA4 @ 7.45
15 92.9% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 7.1% Armenian_BA3 @ 7.5
16 75.2% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 24.8% HungaryGamba_BA1 @ 7.51
17 59.5% Bell_Beaker_LN2 + 40.5% Nordic_BA1 @ 7.61
18 69.7% Unetice_BA1 + 30.3% Hungarian_BA5 @ 7.62
19 93.5% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 6.5% Ust_Ishim @ 7.66
20 82.7% Bell_Beaker_LN3 + 17.3% Nordic_BA1 @ 7.74

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World9 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.42
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 16.08
3 Southern 15.38
4 Siberian 0.9
5 Amerindian 0.58
6 East_Asian 0.56
7 Australasian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.54
2 French (HGDP) 6.26
3 French (Dodecad) 7.66
4 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.9
5 Dutch (Dodecad) 8.59
6 German (Dodecad) 9.16
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.91
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 10.01
9 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 10.24
10 Kent (1000 Genomes) 10.32
11 British (Dodecad) 10.5
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.48
13 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 11.68
14 Irish (Dodecad) 12.1
15 Orcadian (HGDP) 12.37
16 Cataluna (1000 Genomes) 12.41
17 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 12.82
18 Polish (Dodecad) 13.05
19 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 13.56
20 Valencia (1000 Genomes) 14.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 55.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 44.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.61
2 82.4% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 17.6% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 0.62
3 56.1% Lithuanians + 43.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.64
4 54.9% Irish (Dodecad) + 45.1% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.64
5 53.7% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 46.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.66
6 83.3% Kent (1000 Genomes) + 16.7% Turks (Behar) @ 0.67
7 65.2% Polish (Dodecad) + 34.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.69
8 53.3% Lithuanians + 46.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.7
9 67.8% Polish (Dodecad) + 32.2% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.72
10 92.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 7.2% Greek (Dodecad) @ 0.76
11 85.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 14.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.76
12 61.7% German (Dodecad) + 38.3% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.76
13 95.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 4.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.77
14 52.5% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 47.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 0.78
15 54.3% Orcadian (HGDP) + 45.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 0.78
16 84.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 15.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.79
17 60.3% Belorussian (Behar) + 39.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 0.79
18 52.9% Irish (Dodecad) + 47.1% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.8
19 56.2% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 43.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.8
20 93.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 6.2% S_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.8


puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 NE_Europe 46.03
2 SW_Europe 32.24
3 West_Asia 11.06
4 SW_Asia 5.41
5 NE_Asia 1.62
6 East_Africa 1.34
7 Siberia 0.88
8 South_Asia 0.73
9 Americas 0.58
10 SE_Asia 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Slovene 2.74
2 Hungarian 3.45
3 Slovak 3.7
4 Croatian 4.74
5 English 5.48
6 Moldavian 5.49
7 German_South 6.09
8 Utahn_European 6.21
9 Bosnian 6.24
10 Scottish 6.41
11 Belgian 6.46
12 Orcadian 6.5
13 Irish 6.5
14 German_North 6.57
15 Ukrainian 8.29
16 French 9.01
17 Serbian 9.3
18 Norwegian 9.96
19 Swedish 11.63
20 Montenegrin 12.01

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Naxi @ 1.67
2 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Han_North_China @ 1.67
3 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Korean @ 1.67
4 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Japanese @ 1.67
5 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Xibo @ 1.7
6 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Han_South_China @ 1.74
7 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% She @ 1.76
8 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Miaozu @ 1.76
9 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Daur @ 1.77
10 97.3% Slovene + 2.7% Burmese @ 1.79
11 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Oroqen @ 1.82
12 97.5% Slovene + 2.5% Lahu @ 1.83
13 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Vietnamese @ 1.91
14 97.3% Slovene + 2.7% Mongolian @ 1.94
15 97.7% Slovene + 2.3% Dai @ 1.96
16 97.4% Slovene + 2.6% Thai @ 1.98
17 97.2% Slovene + 2.8% Altaian @ 2.06
18 97.6% Slovene + 2.4% Tuvinian @ 2.07
19 97.7% Slovene + 2.3% Cambodian @ 2.12
20 86.2% Utahn_European + 13.8% Nogay @ 2.16

puntDNAL K12 Modern Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 European_HG 37.98
2 Anatolian_NF 33.57
3 Caucasus_HG 23.38
4 Amerindian 2.01
5 Near_East 1.57
6 East_Asian 0.78
7 Beringian 0.35
8 Sub-Saharan 0.32
9 Siberian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Dutch_South 3.27
2 Croatian 3.8
3 Hungarian 4.91
4 Belgian 5.88
5 Utahn_European 5.93
6 Romanian 5.94
7 German_South 6.2
8 English_South 6.96
9 Dutch_North 7.79
10 Irish 8.07
11 German_North 8.53
12 Czech 9.1
13 Bulgarian 9.74
14 Scottish_West 9.91
15 French 10.05
16 Norwegian 10.97
17 Swedish 12.8
18 Icelandic 14.05
19 Albanian 15.43
20 Italian_Bergamo 15.73

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 92% Dutch_South + 8% Kumyk @ 1.66
2 82.8% English_South + 17.2% Kumyk @ 1.67
3 90.4% Dutch_South + 9.6% Turkish_Aydin @ 1.68
4 91.1% Dutch_South + 8.9% Nogai @ 1.68
5 93.1% Dutch_South + 6.9% North_Ossetian @ 1.72
6 92.1% Dutch_South + 7.9% Balkar @ 1.72
7 92.1% Dutch_South + 7.9% Turkish @ 1.74
8 93.7% Dutch_South + 6.3% Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.76
9 92.9% Dutch_South + 7.1% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.77
10 94% Dutch_South + 6% Georgian_Jew @ 1.78
11 93.4% Dutch_South + 6.6% Laz @ 1.8
12 82.8% English_South + 17.2% Balkar @ 1.8
13 92.2% Dutch_South + 7.8% Adygei @ 1.82
14 93.8% Dutch_South + 6.2% Iranian @ 1.83
15 92.8% Dutch_South + 7.2% Kurdish @ 1.84
16 93.8% Dutch_South + 6.2% Armenian @ 1.85
17 84.8% English_South + 15.2% North_Ossetian @ 1.88
18 94.1% Dutch_South + 5.9% Georgian @ 1.88
19 94.3% Dutch_South + 5.7% Abkhasian @ 1.89
20 94.1% Dutch_South + 5.9% Iranian_Jew @ 1.89

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HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 NE-Euro 45.63
2 Mediterranean 27.69
3 Caucasian 13.74
4 Baloch 8.91
5 SW-Asian 2.13
6 Beringian 0.65
7 American 0.49
8 Siberian 0.25
9 SE-Asian 0.25
10 NE-Asian 0.21
11 S-Indian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 hungarian (behar) 4.81
2 slovenian (xing) 7.03
3 n-european (xing) 9.41
4 french (hgdp) 9.53
5 utahn-white (1000genomes) 10.11
6 utahn-white (hapmap) 10.6
7 british (1000genomes) 12.03
8 orcadian (hgdp) 14.26
9 romanian-a (behar) 14.8
10 ukranian (yunusbayev) 15.37
11 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 17.1
12 italian (hgdp) 19.55
13 spaniard (behar) 20.27
14 belorussian (behar) 20.81
15 mordovian (yunusbayev) 21.29
16 spaniard (1000genomes) 21.47
17 russian (behar) 22.11
18 russian (hgdp) 24.34
19 tuscan (hapmap) 24.51
20 tuscan (hgdp) 24.72

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 58.3% utahn-white (hapmap) + 41.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 0.95
2 54.5% orcadian (hgdp) + 45.5% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 0.97
3 61.8% utahn-white (hapmap) + 38.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.07
4 50.9% orcadian (hgdp) + 49.1% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.27
5 86% n-european (xing) + 14% armenian (behar) @ 1.46
6 63% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 37% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.47
7 59.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 40.4% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.5
8 61.3% n-european (xing) + 38.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.53
9 64.8% n-european (xing) + 35.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.72
10 58.8% british (1000genomes) + 41.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.77
11 55.3% british (1000genomes) + 44.7% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.84
12 67.8% hungarian (behar) + 32.2% french (hgdp) @ 1.85
13 84% n-european (xing) + 16% turk (behar) @ 1.85
14 83.3% n-european (xing) + 16.7% turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) @ 1.85
15 83.8% n-european (xing) + 16.2% turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) @ 1.85
16 85.5% utahn-white (hapmap) + 14.5% druze (hgdp) @ 1.89
17 84.6% n-european (xing) + 15.4% cypriot (behar) @ 1.92
18 82.1% hungarian (behar) + 17.9% spaniard (behar) @ 1.98
19 86.5% n-european (xing) + 13.5% azerbaijan-jew (behar) @ 1.98
20 87% n-european (xing) + 13% druze (hgdp) @ 2


Near East Neolithic K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 CHG_EEF 39.74
2 EHG 18.14
3 ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC 12.76
4 SHG_WHG 12.75
5 IRAN_NEOLITHIC 6.86
6 NATUFIAN 5.8
7 ANCESTRAL_INDIAN 2.15
8 SIBERIAN 1.79

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Hungarian 8.12
2 Romanian 8.43
3 Croatian 8.53
4 French 9.31
5 Bulgarian 9.59
6 English 10.41
7 Scottish 10.73
8 Ukrainian 10.74
9 Czech 11.28
10 Norwegian 13.1
11 Icelandic 13.45
12 Russian 14.12
13 Albanian 15.1
14 Finnish 15.32
15 Greek 16.55
16 Europe_LNBA 16.78
17 Estonian 17.44
18 Lithuanian 18.72
19 Sicilian 20.55
20 Italian_South 21.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 82.3% Croatian + 17.7% Steppe_IA @ 2.67
2 83.5% Hungarian + 16.5% Steppe_IA @ 3.31
3 82.8% Scottish + 17.2% Armenia_ChL @ 3.87
4 85.5% English + 14.5% Iran_recent @ 3.88
5 79% Romanian + 21% Steppe_MLBA @ 4.09
6 83.3% English + 16.7% Armenia_MLBA @ 4.11
7 90.9% Romanian + 9.1% Steppe_Eneolithic @ 4.14
8 85.3% English + 14.7% Kurd_SE @ 4.2
9 88.9% Hungarian + 11.1% Kurd_SE @ 4.21
10 87.3% Hungarian + 12.7% Armenia_MLBA @ 4.27
11 82.9% Scottish + 17.1% Armenia_MLBA @ 4.32
12 87.5% Hungarian + 12.5% Armenia_ChL @ 4.33
13 83.5% English + 16.5% Armenia_ChL @ 4.33
14 83.2% English + 16.8% Iranian_Bandari @ 4.4
15 83.1% Ukrainian + 16.9% Armenia_ChL @ 4.43
16 80.1% English + 19.9% Iranian @ 4.44
17 79.8% French + 20.2% Tajik @ 4.45
18 85.5% English + 14.5% Makrani @ 4.52
19 85.7% English + 14.3% Balochi @ 4.52
20 86% English + 14% Brahui @ 4.53

Gedrosia K12 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 SINTASHTA_STEPPE_HERDERS 35.75
2 EARLY_EUROPEAN_FARMERS 33.72
3 CAUCASUS 15.78
4 SW_ASIAN 6.78
5 BALOCHI 5.86
6 W_SIBERIAN 1.01
7 SE_ASIAN 0.73
8 E_SIBERIAN 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Norwegian 18.85
2 Greek 19.19
3 Sicilian 25.66
4 Russian 28.11
5 Turks_Istanbul 30.67
6 Finnish 32.5
7 Turks_Aydin 34.48
8 Estonian 34.66
9 Turks_Balikesir 34.93
10 Lithuanian 35.95
11 Kurds_C 38.84
12 Tajik_Pomiri 38.89
13 Kurds_N 39.05
14 Turkmen_Afghan 39.35
15 Turks_Adana 40.02
16 Turks_Kayseri 40.78
17 Uzbek 40.82
18 Iraqi_Chaldeans 41.17
19 Kurds_F 41.22
20 Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad 41.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance

1 68.2% Norwegian + 31.8% Turks_Adana @ 3.32
2 68.7% Norwegian + 31.3% Turks_Kayseri @ 3.44
3 62.2% Norwegian + 37.8% Turks_Istanbul @ 3.6
4 70.8% Norwegian + 29.2% Armenian @ 3.72
5 69.8% Norwegian + 30.2% Iraqi_Jew @ 3.73
6 69% Norwegian + 31% Iraqi_Chaldeans @ 3.91
7 71.4% Norwegian + 28.6% Assyrian @ 3.98
8 70.5% Norwegian + 29.5% Iraqi_Mandaeans @ 4.09
9 65.1% Norwegian + 34.9% Turks_Aydin @ 4.52
10 68% Norwegian + 32% Kurds_N @ 4.67
11 50.5% Norwegian + 49.5% Greek @ 4.83
12 69.3% Norwegian + 30.7% Iraqi_Arab_Baghdad @ 4.84
13 59.9% Greek + 40.1% Russian @ 5.16
14 65% Greek + 35% Estonian @ 5.22
15 69.3% Norwegian + 30.7% Kurds_F @ 5.26
16 58.1% Norwegian + 41.9% Sicilian @ 5.27
17 63.5% Greek + 36.5% Finnish @ 5.28
18 69.4% Norwegian + 30.6% Kurds_E @ 5.29
19 65.9% Greek + 34.1% Lithuanian @ 5.41
20 68.1% Norwegian + 31.9% Kurds_C @ 5.57

[Loki]

Congrats, friend :)

Interesting, high "Atlantic Baltic" (i.e. Northern).

[Loki]

Thread cleaned of off-topic.

Continue :)

[itilvolga]

Turan is all about soul, not much about DNA. I have never seen any +90% slavic with Panslavism desire yet but i saw 0% Turkic with crazily Turan desire. Some cheap bloods can't boiling for their own ideas but feeling about Turan can reach to red apple ("kızıl elma", a Turkic idea of conquering Turan lands).

Congrats testverem, hajra Turan!

[Turul Karom]

Ran the K11 Calc once more. Will add to the top series of GEDmatch results as well.

https://i.imgur.com/uxiMvmS.png

[Turkminator]

A thundering Hail Turan, comrade! Let us immortalize again under the eternal heaven of the steppe! For the fatherland, for Tengri!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7isdv3mGg

[Böri]

Looks typical Hungarian results but... considering secondary populations there is a drift towards the Ural. Good. Turul has ancestry obviously from elite class which built Hungary 1000 years ago.
I mean looking at PuntDNAL, I see a total of around 2,5~3% which would indicate that. That sets him apart somewhat.

[Babak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcUfjvpvKys

[Turul Karom]

A thundering Hail Turan, comrade! Let us immortalize again under the eternal heaven of the steppe! For the fatherland, for Tengri!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7isdv3mGg

Köszönöm szépen, testvérem!

https://i.imgur.com/HH2rLpW.jpg

[Turul Karom]

Looks typical Hungarian results but... considering secondary populations there is a drift towards the Ural. Good. Turul has ancestry obviously from elite class which built Hungary 1000 years ago.
I mean looking at PuntDNAL, I see a total of around 2,5~3% which would indicate that. That sets him apart somewhat.

Thank you for the feedback, Siyendi. I always maintained that Hungarians are closest to our neighbors in general due to wars, genetic drift, etc. 1000 years in Europe will do that. But, there is an undeniable imprint in the DNA of Hungarians of the multiple Turkic peoples in the past, including the original Magyars who arrived in the Carpathian Basin. Not all Hungarians, but many. The Avars, of course, who were here before us, the Cumans, the Pechenegs, the Kazars (Kabars), etc, all contributed to the culture and ancestry of the Magyars. There are many of us who do not forget our Eastern family, and keep the flame of Turan alive in the Carpathian to this day.

https://i.imgur.com/dp9BrTL.jpg

[Gangrel]

Stears should take notes

[knowledge is king]

Congrats with your DNA results! :)

[Seya]

Thank you for the feedback, Siyendi. I always maintained that Hungarians are closest to our neighbors in general due to wars, genetic drift, etc. 1000 years in Europe will do that. But, there is an undeniable imprint in the DNA of Hungarians of the multiple Turkic peoples in the past, including the original Magyars who arrived in the Carpathian Basin. Not all Hungarians, but many. The Avars, of course, who were here before us, the Cumans, the Pechenegs, the Kazars (Kabars), etc, all contributed to the culture and ancestry of the Magyars. There are many of us who do not forget our Eastern family, and keep the flame of Turan alive in the Carpathian to this day.

https://i.imgur.com/dp9BrTL.jpg

i am just curious honestly, where do u see in your results that turkic DNA?

[Böri]

i am just curious honestly, where do u see in your results that turkic DNA?


Eurasia K9 ASI Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 WHG 38.53
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 21.9
3 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 14.96
4 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 14.02
5 SW_Asian 8.15
6 Siberian_E_Asian 2.44

World9 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.42
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 16.08
3 Southern 15.38
4 Siberian 0.9
5 Amerindian 0.58
6 East_Asian 0.56
7 Australasian 0.07

puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 NE_Europe 46.03
2 SW_Europe 32.24
3 West_Asia 11.06
4 SW_Asia 5.41
5 NE_Asia 1.62
6 East_Africa 1.34
7 Siberia 0.88
8 South_Asia 0.73
9 Americas 0.58
10 SE_Asia 0.12


Those were brought from around the Urals and beyond. And since the people who brought them were majority-Caucasoids (read description of red hair, blonde Khazarians and the people they ruled etc.) that also means some of the more Westerly components were also brought by the same people. The level at which can be discussed tho. His results have actually imprints of it.
'Language and identity shift by elite dominance, theory is not all true in this case.
The 'elites, in question left elements obviously.

[Seya]

Those were brought from around the Urals and beyond. And since the people who brought them were majority-Caucasoids (read description of red hair, blonde Khazarians and the people they ruled etc.) that also means some of the more Westerly components were also brought by the same people. The level at which can be discussed tho. His results have actually imprints of it.
'Language and identity shift by elite dominance, theory is not all true in this case.
The 'elites, in question left elements obviously.

man, i have more then double of each of those...it's normal for a central european

[Böri]

man, i have more then double of each of those...it's normal for a central european
:) And a Russian might have 3 times more. Here you need to put results next to the identity, ethnicity of the person.
For you, who is Vlaho-Dacian-Thracian ethnically and spiritually, it's meaningless to have them but considering the situation here, that might be meaningful.

Circa 2,5 to 3% in total for a Hungarian is not bad after all. Considering that in Eupedia maps they were like >1%. It's all relative.

[Turul Karom]

man, i have more then double of each of those...it's normal for a central european


i am just curious honestly, where do u see in your results that turkic DNA?

Take a look at the secondary mixed populations and compare them as well.

The top calculator also states the % of Turkic and other components. Siyendi is very exact with this, as he is careful with who he says has this influence.

[Seya]

:) And a Russian might have 3 times more. Here you need to put results next to the identity, ethnicity of the person.
For you, who is Vlaho-Dacian-Thracian ethnically and spiritually, it's meaningless to have them but considering the situation here, that might be meaningful.

Circa 2,5 to 3% in total for a Hungarian is not bad after all. Considering that in Eupedia maps they were like >1%. It's all relative.

u just said same thing as i did. his results are normal for a central euro person if mine are normal for romania

[Seya]

Take a look at the secondary mixed populations and compare them as well.

The top calculator also states the % of Turkic and other components. Siyendi is very exact with this, as he is careful with who he says has this influence.

i just said your result are normal for your region seeing that if u go eastern..meaning romania..u get already much more of all that u just mentioned

[Rethel]

And what is your hg?

[Babak]

Lets celebrate!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl46Emp6P78

[Stears]

i just said your result are normal for your region seeing that if u go eastern..meaning romania..u get already much more of all that u just mentioned


But unlike him, you used serious calculator, like the Eurogenes.

[Antimage]

Lets celebrate!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl46Emp6P78

While we are at it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=6peWcZSANuU
Elnar (russian tatar guy) posted this a while ago

[Babak]

While we at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=126&v=6peWcZSANuU[/video]
Elnar (russian tatar guy) posted this a while ago

lol

[Rethel]

I repeat my question: who he is? Why it is not revealed.
Soup of intestils is fine to look at, but need some bone.

[Seya]

But unlike him, you used serious calculator, like the Eurogenes.

Yeah...his eurogenes would be more interesting to see. Some of those calculators he posted are ridiculous. On one of them i get abhazian as my best match...very precise indeed...

[Turul Karom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lg4gP3d4vY

[Dick]

Yeah...his eurogenes would be more interesting to see. Some of those calculators he posted are ridiculous. On one of them i get abhazian as my best match...very precise indeed...

Did you ever send your data to Doug McDonald for analysis?

[Seya]

Did you ever send your data to Doug McDonald for analysis?

I did not

[Böri]

In projects like Eupedia etc. they are politically-correct I think and they release data and maps after possible manipulations.

3% like here is high for a Hungarian, however traditional maps still circulating around show Hungarians less than 1%.
So, Hungarians are portrayed traditionally as much 'elite-shaped nation, as possible, yo know like if bunch of locals who got nothing from the Horde of Arpad.

Same for Turks, old sources gathered data from all over Turkey and from all sorts of people (Kurds who are excessively J2, Arabs being excessively J1 or Albanians having very high ration Ev13) and showed those results which are Turkey average as average Turk's results. However, now when we see individual Turks tested, I think Ethnic Turks have no less than 10% N, 5% Q and 3% R1a's Z93; which are higher than what we were asked to believe.
Or in Behar tests... Taking Turkic Azerbaijani samples from northern Iran and telling it's Iran's average...

As individuals flock to tests, there will be changes and people will notice that what we were asked to believe is not necessarily what was correct.

[Loki]

I repeat my question: who he is? Why it is not revealed.
Soup of intestils is fine to look at, but need some bone.

What are you referring to?

[knowledge is king]

And what is your hg?

I will assist with this demand.

What is your direct paternal ancestry? Does it descended from Turkic people or other nations?

I believe you can proceed your research into this direction in case you have G haplo, then you can extend your ancestry to the proposed Andras Biro's magyars.

Good luck! :)


The Madjars or Madi-yar people, the turkic ethnic group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madjars

The Madjars have been linked onomastically to the Magyars (Hungarians) in Europe by proponents of Hungarian Turanism like Zsolt András Biró.

Like the Magyars, the Madjars have been linked genetically to peoples of the Caucasus, modern Iranians and the neighbouring Argyn people: 86.7% of 45 samples of Y-DNA belonged to Haplogroup G.

The biggest problem with Bíro's focus on Haplogroup G, that it is considered very rare in Hungary (around 3%). However it has much higher ratio in Southern Europe like Italy, and in Western Europe like France, but even Southern German populations have higher ratio of Haplogroup G than the Hungarian population.

[Not a Cop]

What are your eurogenes K13, 15 and 36 results are?

[Rethel]

What are you referring to?

His provenance, lineage and tribe.
(which he discovered by his Y results)
As clothes and flesh needs a bones,
so DNA results need the hard core
backbone which provides only Y.


I believe you can proceed your research into this direction in case you have G haplo, then you can extend your ancestry to the proposed Andras Biro's magyars.

There are three possibilities:

1. Coincidental similarity of the names.
2. Borrowing by living side by side in one horde.
3. Later founder effect.

[Turul Karom]

Congrats with your DNA results! :)

Thank you very much! I was partially inspired with the great job you did with your own lineage and DNA results.

We'll ride as brothers.

https://i.imgur.com/ExOA8lf.jpg

[Hudayar]

MDLP K23 results please

[Seya]

In projects like Eupedia etc. they are politically-correct I think and they release data and maps after possible manipulations.

3% like here is high for a Hungarian, however traditional maps still circulating around show Hungarians less than 1%.
So, Hungarians are portrayed traditionally as much 'elite-shaped nation, as possible, yo know like if bunch of locals who got nothing from the Horde of Arpad.

Same for Turks, old sources gathered data from all over Turkey and from all sorts of people (Kurds who are excessively J2, Arabs being excessively J1 or Albanians having very high ration Ev13) and showed those results which are Turkey average as average Turk's results. However, now when we see individual Turks tested, I think Ethnic Turks have no less than 10% N, 5% Q and 3% R1a's Z93; which are higher than what we were asked to believe.
Or in Behar tests... Taking Turkic Azerbaijani samples from northern Iran and telling it's Iran's average...

As individuals flock to tests, there will be changes and people will notice that what we were asked to believe is not necessarily what was correct.
Those maps are not based on gedmatch results but on tests like 23andme. I'm sure he gets there somewhere in between 0.2 to 0.5. Not more then that. What he got on those calculators is very very low compated to other europeans. He choose only the ones that gave the highest % of asian on anyone. I can get up to 14% on some of those if i combine all asian components together like SE asian, NE asian, siberian, Americas, arctic etc

[Pahli]

Those were brought from around the Urals and beyond. And since the people who brought them were majority-Caucasoids (read description of red hair, blonde Khazarians and the people they ruled etc.) that also means some of the more Westerly components were also brought by the same people. The level at which can be discussed tho. His results have actually imprints of it.
'Language and identity shift by elite dominance, theory is not all true in this case.
The 'elites, in question left elements obviously.

EHG is not related to Turkic people at all, they are proto-Finno-Ugric and their "East Asian" admixture is Amerindian. Turkic ancestry = Dominantly Siberian, East Asian / NE Asian.

Anyways, his results are pretty much Hungarian to me IMO, too much exaggeration over the alleged Turkic ancestry lmfao

[Turul Karom]

EHG is not related to Turkic people at all, they are proto-Finno-Ugric and their "East Asian" admixture is Amerindian. Turkic ancestry = Dominantly Siberian, East Asian / NE Asian.

Anyways, his results are pretty much Hungarian to me IMO, too much exaggeration over the alleged Turkic ancestry lmfao

Never said it would be a huge %, especially not with the location of the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin for so long. The secondary populations include many Europeans and Turkic peoples, and that spans many calculators. The K11 Turkic calc one shows a higher % as well compared to other Europeans (and even other Hungarians). The only larger % I have seen from a Hungarian was not on this forum. I believe they scored about 2-3% higher.

[Dunai]

Another Central Euro mut waken up by the cold genetic facts from his Turanist delusions :D

[Turul Karom]

Another Central Euro mut waken up by the cold genetic facts from his Turanist delusions :D

Not sure what you mean?

[Pahli]

Never said it would be a huge %, especially not with the location of the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin for so long. The secondary populations include many Europeans and Turkic peoples, and that spans many calculators. The K11 Turkic calc one shows a higher % as well compared to other Europeans (and even other Hungarians). The only larger % I have seen from a Hungarian was not on this forum. I believe they scored about 2-3% higher.

I got like 5% Turkic too, but I am not Turkic too and where my family originates from there are barely any Turks around, it could either be ancient East Eurasian admixture or recent Azeri ancestry, in your case I am not sure where it comes from, but I would be careful calling it Turkic ancestry, although I am not going to deny that you might have a little bit.

[Rethel]

EHG (...) they are proto-Finno-Ugric

:picard2:

[Rethel]

Another Central Euro mut waken up by the cold genetic facts from his Turanist delusions :D

Turul of course is not a Turanid, but it doesn;t mean,
that Magyars are not. Idk, and truly saying i do not
care. It is magyars bussiness, which identoty is true:
Finchurian or Turkgarian.

[Pahli]

:picard2:

They are mostly similar to modern Finns and lived in modern day Russia, which was also full of Finno-Ugrians until the Early Slavs had most of them assimilated.

[Hadouken]

why is my comment deleted ?

I was the first to comment and said "congrats . but not much "turan""

you have some turkic influence but very little . I have more than that and I am a kurd . nice and interesting results nonetheless and what matters most is what you feel :thumb001:

[Rethel]

They are mostly similar to modern Finns and lived in modern day Russia, which was also full of Finno-Ugrians until the Early Slavs had most of them assimilated.

Being similar doesn't mean to be such in the past.
Hungarians are similar to locals, but it doesn;t mean,
that Ugrians originated in Panonia. :picard2:

[Turul Karom]

Turul of course is not a Turanid, but it doesn;t mean,
that Magyars are not. Idk, and truly saying i do not
care. It is magyars bussiness, which identoty is true:
Finchurian or Turkgarian.

Is there a reason why you are saying this though? I posted my calculator results. It is more than most people would be willing to share, and even went through the process of using the K11 Turkic calculator as well.


I got like 5% Turkic too, but I am not Turkic too and where my family originates from there are barely any Turks around, it could either be ancient East Eurasian admixture or recent Azeri ancestry, in your case I am not sure where it comes from, but I would be careful calling it Turkic ancestry, although I am not going to deny that you might have a little bit.

Yours could come from somewhere else. As far as Hungary is concerned, the DNA comes from either the Turkic peoples in the Carpathian Basin (Avars), the Magyar arrivals, or the Cumans, Kabars, etc that blended into the Hungarian population. My secondary mix predictions also place me with Turkic peoples at a high frequency. How much would you say one would need to use the label? Because it seems like a shifting number for many.

[Turul Karom]

why is my comment deleted ?

I was the first to comment and said "congrats . but not much "turan""

you have some turkic influence but very little . I have more than that and I am a kurd . nice and interesting results nonetheless and what matters most is what you feel :thumb001:

I think I replied to it; I will post the thoughts again though it might sound repetitive at this point.

Thanks at least for noticing that it is there. I am not surprised that you would also have a Turkic %, because Turkic peoples have been everywhere and had many empires in history. Everyone was impacted more or less. I appreciate your opinion, and would like to note the strong pre-settlement Turkic culture which is undergoing another revival today. I am not sure what you would consider "much" but when the Magyars came to the Carpathians, they were quite mixed already in the first place, so having a high Turkic % would be very unusual.

[Pahli]

Being similar doesn't mean to be such in the past.
Hungarians are similar to locals, but it doesn;t mean,
that Ugrians originated in Panonia. :picard2:

I think they are Proto-Finno-Ugric, but thats just my opinion.


Is there a reason why you are saying this though? I posted my calculator results. It is more than most people would be willing to share, and even went through the process of using the K11 Turkic calculator as well.



Yours could come from somewhere else. As far as Hungary is concerned, the DNA comes from either the Turkic peoples in the Carpathian Basin (Avars), the Magyar arrivals, or the Cumans, Kabars, etc that blended into the Hungarian population. My secondary mix predictions also place me with Turkic peoples at a high frequency. How much would you say one would need to use the label? Because it seems like a shifting number for many.

Its hard to say how much you need; I wanted to point out that the Magyar tribes came from the Urals which might have had some pre-Turkic mongoloid admixture (although not very much I would imagine). The Avars and Cumans probably were more Caucasoid than their relatives that came some time later, and honestly I haven't seen many Hungarians that looked Mongoloid, most of them look Central European, some slightly darker (Balkan looking), some North European looking. I don't think you should worry hell a lot about the Turkic ancestry, I cannot really answer how much you need to define Turkic ancestry because you might have some, but in the end its your opinion whether you feel it is enough to embrace or not.

[Turul Karom]

Its hard to say how much you need; I wanted to point out that the Magyar tribes came from the Urals which might have had some pre-Turkic mongoloid admixture (although not very much I would imagine). The Avars and Cumans probably were more Caucasoid than their relatives that came some time later, and honestly I haven't seen many Hungarians that looked Mongoloid, most of them look Central European, some slightly darker (Balkan looking), some North European looking. I don't think you should worry hell a lot about the Turkic ancestry, I cannot really answer how much you need to define Turkic ancestry because you might have some, but in the end its your opinion whether you feel it is enough to embrace or not.

That is the point, more or less. The idea that the Turks need to look 100% East Asian is inaccurate, as many Turkic peoples through history have had more European DNA as they traveled west than non European DNA. I get confused when you say "might have some" when I think I've posted enough evidence to prove that, but this could be me needing to ask you to clarify what the "some" is that you see as well.

How about a bit of speculation/philosophy on my end? I think that the reason why people who have Turkic matches embrace them is because it speaks to their foundation history, and the ones that do not have a Turkic foundation history mark their Turkic matches as incidental or negligible, because it could have came in through conquest (going both ways, not just Turks conquering), intermarriage, etc. I think that is why people see such a divide over results like these.

Agreeable?

[Pahli]

That is the point, more or less. The idea that the Turks need to look 100% East Asian is inaccurate, as many Turkic peoples through history have had more European DNA as they traveled west than non European DNA. I get confused when you say "might have some" when I think I've posted enough evidence to prove that, but this could be me needing to ask you to clarify what the "some" is that you see as well.

How about a bit of speculation/philosophy on my end? I think that the reason why people who have Turkic matches embrace them is because it speaks to their foundation history, and the ones that do not have a Turkic foundation history mark their Turkic matches as incidental or negligible, because it could have came in through conquest (going both ways, not just Turks conquering), intermarriage, etc. I think that is why people see such a divide over results like these.

Agreeable?

I agree with you to a certain point; But every individual has their own way of perceiving admixture, I get 2 - 3% East Eurasian in some calculators but I wouldn't think about it too much since it can be anything from Iranian tribes to Azeri admixture, at least for me its not a big deal, but if you feel it has enough importance to embrace, you can do that :cool:

I kinda agree but not fully, I wouldn't personally go around it that much. Thats just me.

[Nanushka]

I think they are Proto-Finno-Ugric, but thats just my opinion.

Its hard to say how much you need; I wanted to point out that the Magyar tribes came from the Urals which might have had some pre-Turkic mongoloid admixture (although not very much I would imagine). The Avars and Cumans probably were more Caucasoid than their relatives that came some time later, and honestly I haven't seen many Hungarians that looked Mongoloid, most of them look Central European, some slightly darker (Balkan looking), some North European looking. I don't think you should worry hell a lot about the Turkic ancestry, I cannot really answer how much you need to define Turkic ancestry because you might have some, but in the end its your opinion whether you feel it is enough to embrace or not.

There is no mongoloid admixture in ancient Turks, I dont know what you mean by pre-Turkic but the only pre-Turks in europe were Scythians and Sartmatians; now the turkness of Andronovo and Afanasievo_Yamnaya cultures are being academically proved. Turul has every right to feel related to his turkic ancestors who were already there before magyars and cumans arrived, it's in his blood. He is nothing like you who fails to feel his turkic roots that were too recessive and melted among robust dark persian-arabic genes in that area

[Pahli]

There is no mongoloid admixture in ancient Turks, I dont know what you mean by pre-Turkic but the only pre-Turks in europe were Scythians and Sartmatians; now the turkness of Andronovo and Afanasievo_Yamnaya cultures are being academically proved. Turul has every right to feel related to his turkic ancestors who were already there before magyars and cumans arrived, it's in his blood. He is nothing like you who fails to feel his turkic roots that were too recessive and melted among robust dark persian-arabic genes in that area

Can you quit talking shit all the time, its people like you that ruin these threads with these lunatics unapproved pro-Turanist theories xD

[Turul Karom]

I agree with you to a certain point; But every individual has their own way of perceiving admixture, I get 2 - 3% East Eurasian in some calculators but I wouldn't think about it too much since it can be anything from Iranian tribes to Azeri admixture, at least for me its not a big deal, but if you feel it has enough importance to embrace, you can do that :cool:

I kinda agree but not fully, I wouldn't personally go around it that much. Thats just me.

I think that is where culture and family genealogy play a big role. For example, the Germans, the English and the Scandinavians all have very different cultures and foundation histories, while many of them from the original Germanic tribes may not cluster as close as they once would. Their proximity impacts this though, as they are going to be genetically subjected to their neighbors and mix with them as well.

At least you acknowledge the Turkic results I have. Thanks for being honest and respectful in that manner.

[Nanushka]

In projects like Eupedia etc. they are politically-correct I think and they release data and maps after possible manipulations.

3% like here is high for a Hungarian, however traditional maps still circulating around show Hungarians less than 1%.
So, Hungarians are portrayed traditionally as much 'elite-shaped nation, as possible, yo know like if bunch of locals who got nothing from the Horde of Arpad.

Same for Turks, old sources gathered data from all over Turkey and from all sorts of people (Kurds who are excessively J2, Arabs being excessively J1 or Albanians having very high ration Ev13) and showed those results which are Turkey average as average Turk's results. However, now when we see individual Turks tested, I think Ethnic Turks have no less than 10% N, 5% Q and 3% R1a's Z93; which are higher than what we were asked to believe.
Or in Behar tests... Taking Turkic Azerbaijani samples from northern Iran and telling it's Iran's average...

As individuals flock to tests, there will be changes and people will notice that what we were asked to believe is not necessarily what was correct.

Yeah 'politically-correct' is the key word I guess. What attracts my attention is his more ancient results (like his secondary mixed population results) like Caucausus hunter-gatherer, Eastern hunter-gatherer as well as Afansievo_Yamnaya because the high % reflects his bounds to ancient time proto-turks as well

[Nanushka]

Can you quit talking shit all the time, its people like you that ruin these threads with these lunatics unapproved pro-Turanist theories xD

I am not speaking shit kurd, I am speaking scientifically. Sorry but it is you who bullshit ignorantly all the time and jumps always into turkic threads out of blue to cause trouble and spread your baseless ideas

[Pahli]

I am not speaking shit kurd, I am speaking scientifically. Sorry but it is you who bullshit ignorantly all the time and jumps always into turkic threads out of blue to cause trouble and spread your baseless ideas

Not really, but I guess this über blonde white Turkic woman is going to teach us non-Turks a lesson about white Turkic history xD

[Hadouken]

pahli and buusra you both be quite :picard1:

dont derail the thread with your stupid fights again

[Stears]

There is no mongoloid admixture in ancient Turks, I dont know what you mean by pre-Turkic but the only pre-Turks in europe were Scythians and Sartmatians; now the turkness of Andronovo and Afanasievo_Yamnaya cultures are being academically proved. Turul has every right to feel related to his turkic ancestors who were already there before magyars and cumans arrived, it's in his blood. He is nothing like you who fails to feel his turkic roots that were too recessive and melted among robust dark persian-arabic genes in that area

Schyntians and Sarmatians were Iranic speakers. Turks are swarthy WOG people with middle eastern looks. You are not white looking.

[Stears]

Is there a reason why you are saying this though? I posted my calculator results. It is more than most people would be willing to share, and even went through the process of using the K11 Turkic calculator as well.



Yours could come from somewhere else. As far as Hungary is concerned, the DNA comes from either the Turkic peoples in the Carpathian Basin (Avars), the Magyar arrivals, or the Cumans, Kabars, etc that blended into the Hungarian population. My secondary mix predictions also place me with Turkic peoples at a high frequency. How much would you say one would need to use the label? Because it seems like a shifting number for many.


You did not post any reliable calculator results. You try to avoid Eurogenes calculator. (Or maybe you tested it with a non-Hungarian result, so you don't want to post it.)

[Kamal900]

robust dark persian-arabic genes in that area

You serious? Kurds and other Iranic peoples of west Asia don't cluster with any Arab group, and they cluster the closest to other west Asians including Azeris and Turks. And no, Pahli looks very White, and he's genetically more than 99% west Asiatic. Arabs on the other hand, cluster the closest to Egyptians, both ancient and the modern ones, regardless on the fact that they're aren't ethnically Arabs or Semites.

[Hadouken]

You serious? Kurds and other Iranic peoples of west Asia don't cluster with any Arab group, and they cluster the closest to other west Asians including Azeris and Turks. And no, Pahli looks very White, and he's genetically more than 99% west Asiatic. Arabs on the other hand, cluster the closest to Egyptians, both ancient and the modern ones, regardless on the fact that they're aren't ethnically Arabs or Semites.

stop these pigmentation wars first of all (I dont mean you but all) . it is so embarrassing because it is like kindergarten... , childish , and it is also useless

we are closer to Levantines than we are to most "iranics" though

mine

1 Azeri 3.37
2 Kurd_N 5.79
3 Iranian 6.57
4 Georgian 7.48
5 Abkhasian 7.66
6 Turkish 8.54
7 Armenian 8.58
8 Azeri_Dagestan 8.61
9 Adygei 8.83
10 Kumyk 9.31
11 Georgian_Jew 10.02
12 Chechen 11.11
13 Kurd_C 11.42
14 Iranian_Jew 12.07
15 Lezgin 13.38
16 Druze 16.16
17 Iraqi_Jew 16.34
18 Lebanese 17.1
19 Cypriot 17.41
20 Syrian 17.42



1 Azeri 4.04
2 Kurdish 4.85
3 Iranian 6.24
4 Armenian 7.52
5 Turkish 7.58
6 Georgian_Jewish 7.92
7 Assyrian 9.87
8 Iranian_Jewish 12.29
9 Kurdish_Jewish 12.78
10 Kumyk 15.64
11 Lebanese_Muslim 15.99
12 Georgian 17
13 Turkmen 17.02
14 Syrian 17.05
15 Adygei 18.25
16 Abhkasian 18.48
17 Balkar 19.41
18 Ossetian 19.83
19 Cyprian 20.28
20 Kabardin 20.68

[Turul Karom]

You did not post any reliable calculator results. You try to avoid Eurogenes calculator. (Or maybe you tested it with a non-Hungarian result, so you don't want to post it.)

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

[Nanushka]

Schyntians and Sarmatians were Iranic speakers. Turks are swarthy WOG people with middle eastern looks. You are not white looking.

LOL poor Stears, I will not go into any nonsensical polemic about it with you, my whole family is white and I dont care about your prejudice. The only thing I care is how ignorant you are and your still going-on insistance on fake info imposed by non-scientific 20 century fairy-tale writers. Try to digest the piece of latest academic info I have sent you before, obviously that's why you are so aggressive

[Stears]

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

Turkish trolls tell you what you want to hear because of ultranationalist pan-Turkic ideology. In the reality Iranian people in Turkey are closer to them than any other people, but they hate each other, and force ''Turanist'' ideas. Balkanites are also closer to the Turks than Hungarians or other Central European people are. Deal with it.

[Turul Karom]

Turkish trolls tell you what you want to hear because of ultranationalist pan-Turkic ideology. In the reality Iranian people in Turkey are closer to them than any other people, but they hate each other, and force ''Turanist'' ideas. Balkanites are also closer to the Turks than Hungarians or other Central European people are. Deal with it.

Not a single thing you said has anything to do with the post you quoted. You are not looking at my results on purpose.

[Stears]

LOL poor Stears, I will not go into any nonsensical polemic about it with you, my whole family is white and I dont care about your opinion. The only thing I care is how ignorant you are and your still going-on insistance on fake info imposed by non-scientific 20 century fairy-tale writers. Try to digest the piece of latest academic info I have sent you before, obviously that's why you are so aggressive

Learn about Scythian languages : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages

[RN97]

Those were brought from around the Urals and beyond. And since the people who brought them were majority-Caucasoids (read description of red hair, blonde Khazarians and the people they ruled etc.) that also means some of the more Westerly components were also brought by the same people. The level at which can be discussed tho. His results have actually imprints of it.
'Language and identity shift by elite dominance, theory is not all true in this case.
The 'elites, in question left elements obviously.

LMFAO, EHG is not turkic at all you dummy. It's European through and through.

[RN97]

man, i have more then double of each of those...it's normal for a central european

Not only that but n. Euros do to....
Swede
# Population Percent
1 WHG 46.82
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 18.31
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 15.21
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.5
5 Siberian_E_Asian 5.75
6 SW_Asian 3.23
7 SE_Asian 0.18

Norwegian
# Population Percent
1 WHG 45.97
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 17.93
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 17.27
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 12.87
5 Siberian_E_Asian 3.92
6 SW_Asian 1.21
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 4.77
2 Ukrainian 4.87
3 Icelandic 5.76
4 Scottish 6.32

[Turul Karom]

Not only that but n. Euros do to....
Swede
# Population Percent
1 WHG 46.82
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 18.31
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 15.21
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 10.5
5 Siberian_E_Asian 5.75
6 SW_Asian 3.23
7 SE_Asian 0.18

Norwegian
# Population Percent
1 WHG 45.97
2 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 17.93
3 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 17.27
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 12.87
5 Siberian_E_Asian 3.92
6 SW_Asian 1.21
7 Ancestral_South_Indian 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian 4.77
2 Ukrainian 4.87
3 Icelandic 5.76
4 Scottish 6.32

Have you tried that K11 calculator? I think I saw you post in that thread as well. How about some of your mixed population matches for some of the calcs listed? Any interesting large chunks that match with Turkic people, like in my OP?

[Nanushka]

Learn about Scythian languages : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages

I am an academician and I told a thousand time that I just dont care about old-fashioned, biased wikipedia full of soap opera-style info, no scientist does. Its your style, you guys here love gossiping more than talking science. I search and follow new academics and publications. I submit parts here too but you prefer ignorance and oldies that match more with lovely deadly outworn 20th century knowledge(!)

[Stears]

I am an academician and I told a thousand time that I just dont care about old-fashioned, biased wikipedia full of soap opera-style info, no scientist does. Its your style, you guys here love gossiping more than talking science. I search and follow new academics and publications. I submit parts here too but you prefer ignorance and oldies that match more with lovely deadly outworn 20th century knowledge(!)


Wrong. You have finished the elementary school. In your dictionary: Old fashioned = scholarly consensus. Nationalist fringe theories = the eternal truth. This wiki page is full with references from the best academic scholars. I don't think that your elementary school degree can compete with the opinion of scholars.

Read about Fringe theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_theory

[Stears]

Have you tried that K11 calculator? I think I saw you post in that thread as well. How about some of your mixed population matches for some of the calcs listed? Any interesting large chunks that match with Turkic people, like in my OP?

What about a credible and reliable professional calculator, like the eurogenes calculator?;)

[Turul Karom]

What about a credible and reliable professional calculator, like the eurogenes calculator?;)

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

Also, do you think it will not say "Hungarian" in some of the results? Why do you discount all of the other ones I have posted that are professional? Some even made by Dr. Doug McDonald himself?

[Stears]

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

Also, do you think it will not say "Hungarian" in some of the results? Why do you discount all of the other ones I have posted that are professional? Some even made by Dr. Doug McDonald himself?


I think you get non-Hungarian in Eurogenes calculator, which is not surprising for a neo-cumanian like you. That's why you try to avoid the Eurogenes. It is so simple.

[Turul Karom]

I think you get non-Hungarian in Eurogenes calculator, which is not surprising for a neo-cumanian like you. That's why you try to avoid the Eurogenes. It is so simple.

Not a rhetorical question:

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?

[Stears]

Not a rhetorical question:

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?


Wrong.
First: I've never wrote that.
Second, you didn't post any results from reliable calculator like Eurogenes.

[Nanushka]

Wrong. You have finished the elementary school. In your dictionary: Old fashioned = scholarly consensus. Nationalist fringe theories = the eternal truth. This wiki page is full with references from the best academic scholars. I don't think that your elementary school degree can compete with the opinion of scholars.

Read about Fringe theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fringe_theory

Hahaha Stears you are going down :D stop resisting before humiliating yourself more. Who are those best(!) academicians? Did you know that a history professor of mine wrote to Wikipedia to contribute with his work about pre-Scythians and Andronovo but refused? Why? Because they always prefer the pre-ordered writings (I dont say 'papers' deliberately because they are small workers only not academicians) from those who stick to old fashioned thesis and thoughts. They dont want anything to change because if it starts once, all false history will have to change thoroughly! And sure it will. I am not a turanist but appreciate the idea now as I am learning about it since I became a member here. I am just one of those revolutionists who cares nothing but the sole truth:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtJmnDC0yMo

Maybe you watch Bertrand Russel and grasp his beautiful mind. He lived in the past but his ideas are far beyond yours :)

[Stears]

Hahaha Stears you are going down :D stop resisting before humiliating yourself more. Who are those best(!) academicians? Did you know that a history professor of mine wrote to Wikipedia to contribute with his work about pre-Scythians and Andronovo but refused? Why? Because they always prefer the pre-ordered writings (I dont say 'papers' deliberately because they are small workers only not academicians) from those who stick to old fashioned thesis and thoughts. They dont want anything to change because if it starts once, all false history will have to change thoroughly! And sure it will. I am not a turanist but appreciate the idea now as I am learning about it since I became a member here. I am just one of those revolutionists who cares nothing but the sole truth:


https://www.facebook.com/zeitgeistturkey/videos/1333999626661497/

Maybe you watch Bertrand Russel and grasp his beautiful mind. He lived in the past but his ideas are far beyond yours :)

You have seen university professors only in Television and Youtube. There are no professors in elementary schools.

[Turul Karom]

Wrong.
First: I've never wrote that.
Second, you don't post any results from reliable calculator like Eurogenes.

First, lies:

https://i.imgur.com/ioDqBO0.png


Second:

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?

[Stears]

First, lies:

https://i.imgur.com/ioDqBO0.png


Second:

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?


It was written by my girlfriend.

I must write again: You did not post any reliable calculators like the Eurogenes.

Why are you afraid from the posting of the Eurogenes results? Because it did not placed you to Hungary. It is not strange, since you are from Cumania.

[Nanushka]

You have seen university professors only in Television and Youtube. There are no professors in elementary schools.

Pff I am bored, you are so pathetic that you dont know where to attack. Turul has already overcome you, so have fun with your own delusions

[Turul Karom]

It was written by my girlfriend.

I must write again: You did not post any reliable calculators like the Eurogenes.

Why are you afraid from the posting of the Eurogenes results? Because it did not placed you to Hungary. It is not strange, since you are from Cumania.


Sure, Stears. That is very believable. So she was just what, using your account for some reason? Also if you write it "again" then you must have done it the first time. Or am I talking to your GF again (lol)?

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?

[Stears]

Sure, Stears. That is very believable. So she was just what, using your account for some reason? Also if you write it "again" then you must have done it the first time. Or am I talking to your GF again (lol)?

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?


It is not your business that I allowed her to write under my account.

Again, nobody will take you seriously until you didn't post Eurogenes results. You try to avoid it at any price (because Eurogenes doesn't place you to Hungary). That is the cause that you are so afraid to post Eurogenes results.

[Turul Karom]

It is not your business that I allowed her to write under my account.

Again, nobody will take you seriously until you didn't post Eurogenes results. You try to avoid it at any price (because Eurogenes don't place you to Hungary). That is the cause that you are so afraid to post Eurogenes results.

Basically what you are saying is you let her use your account to pose as you for whatever reason. Very odd. Considering that you said "that was not me who wrote that", then backed away furiously when I posted evidence, you would think it would be in your interest to explain because it makes you look like a huge liar.

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?

Do you deny that you will just say that I did not post my real results?

[Böri]

Scythians being Iranian was a hypothesis developed by wishful Indo-Europeanists back in the 19 the century.
Their languages are disputed. What we have it's genetic samples from their burials and they are everything but not Iranians.


Ancestry and demography and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615


T265461 - Be9_I05622 Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE
M362842 - Be11_I0563,Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE

M344946 - PR9_I0574, Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
M084152 - PR3_I0575 , Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE

M837055 - A17_I0576, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE
M446756 - A10_I0577, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE

M456377 - Is2 Ismailovo, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
T866391 - Ze6 Zevakino, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE


I checked in K36 them. But in every calculator their "Altaic /Siberian" vibe could detected, except first two.

https://s11.postimg.org/5cmqcccoz/scysar.jpg

https://s4.postimg.org/u05fe40m5/Bez-nazwy-2.jpg

Eastern Scythian result


# Population Percent
1 Siberian 31.78
2 Steppe 14.48
3 NorthEastEuropean 12.57
4 SouthEastAsian 12.36
5 Caucasian 7.67
6 Indian 6.75
7 Amerindian 5.73
8 Arctic 5.63
9 Neolithic 2.22
10 Subsaharian 0.46
11 Australian 0.31
12 EastAfrican 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shor (Kemerovo) 5.05
2 Hakas (Khakassia) 6.2
3 Bashkir (Muradymovo) 10.65
4 Bashkir (Ufa) 11.82
5 Bashkir (Bashkortostan) 12.82
6 Kazakh (Tien_Shan) 13.92
7 Bashkir (Akyar) 14.45
8 Karakalpak (Karakalpakstan) 14.84
9 Kazakh (CentralKazakhstan) 14.98
10 Khanty (Khanty–Mansi) 15.31
11 Bashkir (Kildigulovo) 16.25
12 Altaian (Altai) 16.33
13 Kyrgyz (Murgab) 16.65
14 Ket (Krasnoyarski_Krai) 17
15 Forest_Yukaghir (Kolyma) 17.12
16 Kazakh (Kazakhstan) 17.26
17 Selkup ((Yamalo_Nenets_okrug)) 17.46
18 Kyrgyz (Kyrgyzstan) 17.7
19 Kyrgyz (Alichur) 18.01
20 Mansi (Khanty–Mansi) 18.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.9% Shor (Kemerovo) + 10.1% Tlingit (NA) @ 2.52
2 91.5% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.5% Belarusian_West (WestBelarus) @ 3.03
3 75.6% Shor (Kemerovo) + 24.4% Bashkir (Bashkortostan) @ 3.06
4 91.4% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.6% Belarusian_East (EastBelarus) @ 3.07
5 86.3% Shor (Kemerovo) + 13.7% Lipka_Tatar (Belorus) @ 3.08
6 91.6% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.4% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 3.08
7 84.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 15.2% Mari (Mari_El) @ 3.09
8 87.5% Shor (Kemerovo) + 12.5% Tatars (Tatarstan) @ 3.09
9 90.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 9.2% Erzya_Moksha (Mordovia) @ 3.09
10 91% Shor (Kemerovo) + 9% Russian (Russia) @ 3.1
11 91.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.3% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) @ 3.11
12 91.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.2% Hungarian (Budapest) @ 3.12
13 88.6% Shor (Kemerovo) + 11.4% Mishar-Tatar (Mordovia) @ 3.12
14 91.5% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.5% Russian_cossack (Kuban) @ 3.13
15 91.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.3% Russians-West (WestRussian) @ 3.13
16 88.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 11.3% Kryashen (Bashkortostan) @ 3.15
17 91.8% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.2% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) @ 3.16
18 88.4% Shor (Kemerovo) + 11.6% Komi (Komi_Republic) @ 3.17
19 91.7% Shor (Kemerovo) + 8.3% Pole (Poland) @ 3.17
20 92.1% Shor (Kemerovo) + 7.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) @ 3.18


https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216492-Scythians-and-Sarmatians-on-Gedmatch

[Pahli]

Scythians being Iranian was a hypothesis developed by wishful Indo-Europeanists back in the 19 the century.
Their languages are disputed. What we have it's genetic samples from their burials and they are everything but not Iranians.



https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?216492-Scythians-and-Sarmatians-on-Gedmatch

Nice, cherrypicking Eastern Scythians samples that penetrated deep into Turkic homelands to make all Scythians look "Turkic", is a pathetic method, the Pokrovka Sarmatians and the Scythian Iron Age are all dominantly Caucasoid with max. 12% Mongoloid. Turks are as diverse as Iranians are and were, the only difference being that Iranians have not changed race from Mongoloid to some dark Caucasoid race.

Most of these Eastern Scythians were barely attested in history, nobody knew shit about them, it is the Caucasoid Scytho-Sarmatians that were recorded in history books by numerous historians and people that they met. These Scytho-Sarmatians dominated the Steppes for almost 1500 years before the Huns came, and the Turkic tribes didn't even dominate for such long time, they were all destroyed around 17 - 18th century by a small Russian population that was struggling through harsh winters.

Anyways, its getting pretty boring and tiring to prove these morons the differences.

[Stears]

Basically what you are saying is you let her use your account to pose as you for whatever reason. Very odd. Considering that you said "that was not me who wrote that", then backed away furiously when I posted evidence, you would think it would be in your interest to explain because it makes you look like a huge liar.

Remember when you say, you do not want to post the results of your GEDmatch because "Romanian and Serbians will troll" you? That they will call you out on things no matter the result? What are you doing now?

I do get Hungarian. It is in all the calcs. You don't like the GEDmatch calcs I posted so you try to ignore them although they are scientific. Do you think you will not just say "you did not post your real results"? Do I know you better than you do?

Do you deny that you will just say that I did not post my real results?

Again, It is not your business what my girlfriend wrote.
Second, as you can see nobody considered reliable result your toy calculator results, until you don't post Eurogenes results. You are afraid to make the calculation with Eurogenes.
You start to equivocate. You will repeat your boring "I made my calculations" (with the toy troll calculator). If you are not afraid from the Eurogenes calculator results, why didn't you do it? What are you holding you back to do it? Maybe because Eurogenes results will place you to Romania ?

Nagyon gyanús vagy, valamit rejtegetsz. Ne beszélj mellé, NE ismételgessed kétségbeesetten, hogy te már megcsináltad egy játék kalkulátorral a tesztet.... (amit az emberek többsége nem vesz komolyan a TA-n) Ha olyan bátor és őszinte lennél, már rég pár perc alatt megcsinálhattad volna az Eurogenes kalkulátorral a tesztet, (ingyenes) No mégis mi tart vissza annyira ettől? Miért félsz annyira az Eurogenes kalkulátortól? Elárulnád?

[Turul Karom]

Again, It is not your business what my girlfriend wrote.
Second, as you can see nobody considered reliable result your toy calculator results, until you don't post Eurogenes results. You are afraid to make the calculation with Eurogenes.
You start to equivocate. You will repeat your boring "I made my calculations" (with the toy troll calculator). If you are not afraid from the Eurogenes calculator results, why didn't you do it? What are you holding you back to do it? Maybe because Eurogenes results will place you to Romania ?

Nagyon gyanús vagy, valamit rejtegetsz. Ne beszélj mellé, NE ismételgessed kétségbeesetten, hogy te már megcsináltad egy játék kalkulátorral a tesztet.... (amit az emberek többsége nem vesz komolyan a TA-n) Ha olyan bátor és őszinte lennél, már rég pár perc alatt megcsinálhattad volna az Eurogenes kalkulátorral a tesztet, (ingyenes) No mégis mi tart vissza annyira ettől? Miért félsz annyira az Eurogenes kalkulátortól? Elárulnád?

Again, it makes you look both suspicious and stupid, because you cannot refute a point that she made on your behalf. How am I supposed to know she wrote it, if it is under your account? Magic? Why do you call all non-eurogenes calculators toy calculators? You are just going to call me a liar; use your brain. Answer this question:

Why would I show you, when all you do is say I am not sharing the real information? You will as me for things endlessly.

You ignore every query, and then call me suspicious?

[Pennywise]

Congrats on your results Turul. What I see is that your results are more Uralic leaning, which can be interpreted as the effect of early Magyars. AFAIK genetic background of early Magyar tribes is unknown but most likely they were predominantly Western Eurasian stock. As a Hungarian, one shouldn't expect from you to score substantial East Eurasian admixture. Due to lack of mediveal samples (same goes for us too) it is not possible to come up with 100% accurate predictions.

[Stears]

Again, it makes you look both suspicious and stupid, because you cannot refute a point that she made on your behalf. How am I supposed to know she wrote it, if it is under your account? Magic? Why do you call all non-eurogenes calculators toy calculators? You are just going to call me a liar; use your brain. Answer this question:

Why would I show you, when all you do is say I am not sharing the real information? You will as me for things endlessly.

You ignore every query, and then call me suspicious?

Because I told her I do not want to make my results public. But I changed my mind, I have nothing to fear. So I will show my results on TA when I get them. Now, please show me your eurogenes results. ok ?

Can you answer in Hungarian language to the Hungarian part of my post?

[RN97]

Have you tried that K11 calculator? I think I saw you post in that thread as well. How about some of your mixed population matches for some of the calcs listed? Any interesting large chunks that match with Turkic people, like in my OP?

IDK what you mean but I scored this on that calc.
28.98% SE_European
10.55% W_Asian
0.00% SE_Asian
0.00% SSA
29.12% NE_European
1.23% Indian
26.25% NW_European
3.86% Turkic
0.00% Mongol
0.00% Papuan
0.00% NE_Asian

[gültekin]

hatalmas Turul, gratulalok :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKCIhS8Jcok

[Gone West]

Quite close to French !

Congratulations on your results.

[Luke35]

Here are few tests to start with, as requested.
I'm half Hungarian. And half German, English, Irish mix. Please let me know if there is anything notable here:

Dodecad K7b Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.82
2 West_Asian 14.98
3 Southern 14.93
4 South_Asian 1.98
5 Siberian 1.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.75
2 French (HGDP) 7.24
3 French (Dodecad) 7.79
4 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 8.21
5 German (Dodecad) 8.54
6 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 9.25
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 9.36
8 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.64
9 Kent (1000Genomes) 9.92
10 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 10.19
11 English (Dodecad) 10.36
12 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 11.39
13 British (Dodecad) 11.52
14 Argyll (1000Genomes) 11.65
15 Irish (Dodecad) 11.7
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.71
17 Orcadian (HGDP) 12.1
18 Orkney (1000Genomes) 12.8
19 Polish (Dodecad) 13.65
20 Romanians (Behar) 13.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.7% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 0.51
2 96.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.4% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 0.57
3 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.72
4 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Velamas (Metspalu) @ 0.74
5 96.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.1% INS30 (SGVP) @ 0.75
6 96.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 0.76
7 97.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.9% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 0.76
8 96.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.3% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 0.76
9 97.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.9% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 0.77
10 96.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.3% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 0.77
11 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 0.78
12 96.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.3% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 0.78
13 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 0.78
14 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Indian (Dodecad) @ 0.79
15 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 0.79
16 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 0.79
17 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 0.79
18 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.8
19 97.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.9% Kol (Metspalu) @ 0.81
20 96.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.4% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 0.82


World9 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.55
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 15.23
3 Southern 14.27
4 South_Asian 1.99
5 Siberian 1.16
6 Amerindian 0.65
7 Australasian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.2
2 French (HGDP) 6.45
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.3
4 French (Dodecad) 7.84
5 Dutch (Dodecad) 7.9
6 German (Dodecad) 8.5
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.12
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 9.15
9 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 9.57
10 Kent (1000 Genomes) 9.68
11 British (Dodecad) 9.78
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 10.74
13 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 10.87
14 Irish (Dodecad) 11.34
15 Orcadian (HGDP) 11.59
16 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 12.03
17 Polish (Dodecad) 12.21
18 Cataluna (1000 Genomes) 12.86
19 Belorussian (Behar) 13.79
20 Russian_B (Behar) 13.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 40.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.74
2 58.5% Irish (Dodecad) + 41.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.75
3 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Bnei_Menashe_Jews @ 0.76
4 97.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.8% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 0.78
5 50.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 49.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.82
6 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.83
7 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 0.85
8 57.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 42.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.85
9 97.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.3% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 0.86
10 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Velamas (Metspalu) @ 0.86
11 97.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.5% INS30 (SGVP) @ 0.87
12 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.87
13 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 0.88
14 97.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.5% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 0.88
15 97.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.2% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 0.88
16 97.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.3% North_Kannadi @ 0.88
17 97.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.5% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 0.88
18 97.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.3% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 0.88
19 97.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.1% SAKILLI @ 0.88
20 97.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.1% Sakilli (Chaubey) @ 0.88

[Kaspias]

Here are few tests to start with, as requested.
I'm half Hungarian. And half German, English, Irish mix. Please let me know if there is anything notable here:

Dodecad K7b Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.82
2 West_Asian 14.98
3 Southern 14.93
4 South_Asian 1.98
5 Siberian 1.29

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.75
2 French (HGDP) 7.24
3 French (Dodecad) 7.79
4 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 8.21
5 German (Dodecad) 8.54
6 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 9.25
7 Dutch (Dodecad) 9.36
8 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.64
9 Kent (1000Genomes) 9.92
10 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 10.19
11 English (Dodecad) 10.36
12 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 11.39
13 British (Dodecad) 11.52
14 Argyll (1000Genomes) 11.65
15 Irish (Dodecad) 11.7
16 British_Isles (Dodecad) 11.71
17 Orcadian (HGDP) 12.1
18 Orkney (1000Genomes) 12.8
19 Polish (Dodecad) 13.65
20 Romanians (Behar) 13.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.3% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.7% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 0.51
2 96.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.4% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 0.57
3 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.72
4 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Velamas (Metspalu) @ 0.74
5 96.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.1% INS30 (SGVP) @ 0.75
6 96.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.1% GIH30 (Dodecad) @ 0.76
7 97.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.9% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 0.76
8 96.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.3% Iyer (Dodecad) @ 0.76
9 97.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.9% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 0.77
10 96.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.3% Iyengar (Dodecad) @ 0.77
11 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Tharus (Metspalu) @ 0.78
12 96.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.3% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 0.78
13 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 0.78
14 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Indian (Dodecad) @ 0.79
15 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 0.79
16 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 0.79
17 96.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.2% Muslim (Metspalu) @ 0.79
18 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.8
19 97.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.9% Kol (Metspalu) @ 0.81
20 96.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 3.4% Kshatriya (Metspalu) @ 0.82


World9 Oracle results:
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 66.55
2 Caucasus_Gedrosia 15.23
3 Southern 14.27
4 South_Asian 1.99
5 Siberian 1.16
6 Amerindian 0.65
7 Australasian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.2
2 French (HGDP) 6.45
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 7.3
4 French (Dodecad) 7.84
5 Dutch (Dodecad) 7.9
6 German (Dodecad) 8.5
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 9.12
8 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 9.15
9 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 9.57
10 Kent (1000 Genomes) 9.68
11 British (Dodecad) 9.78
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 10.74
13 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 10.87
14 Irish (Dodecad) 11.34
15 Orcadian (HGDP) 11.59
16 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 12.03
17 Polish (Dodecad) 12.21
18 Cataluna (1000 Genomes) 12.86
19 Belorussian (Behar) 13.79
20 Russian_B (Behar) 13.93

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.5% Argyll (1000 Genomes) + 40.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.74
2 58.5% Irish (Dodecad) + 41.5% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.75
3 97% Hungarians (Behar) + 3% Bnei_Menashe_Jews @ 0.76
4 97.2% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.8% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 0.78
5 50.8% Norwegian (Dodecad) + 49.2% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.82
6 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Tamil_Nadu_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.83
7 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Kurumba (Metspalu) @ 0.85
8 57.1% Orkney (1000 Genomes) + 42.9% Romanians (Behar) @ 0.85
9 97.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.3% Piramalai_Kallars (Metspalu) @ 0.86
10 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Velamas (Metspalu) @ 0.86
11 97.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.5% INS30 (SGVP) @ 0.87
12 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Uttar_Pradesh_Scheduled_Caste (Metspalu) @ 0.87
13 97.6% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.4% Dusadh (Metspalu) @ 0.88
14 97.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.5% Kanjars (Metspalu) @ 0.88
15 97.8% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.2% Hakkipikki (Metspalu) @ 0.88
16 97.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.3% North_Kannadi @ 0.88
17 97.5% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.5% Dharkars (Metspalu) @ 0.88
18 97.7% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.3% Chamar (Metspalu) @ 0.88
19 97.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.1% SAKILLI @ 0.88
20 97.9% Hungarians (Behar) + 2.1% Sakilli (Chaubey) @ 0.88

Your Siberian is high for a Half Hungarian.

[Impaler]

Your Siberian is high for a Half Hungarian.

I score even higher than him, hehe.

[Kaspias]

I score even higher than him, hehe.

What was your score? I remember as 3

[Impaler]

What was your score? I remember as 3
On World 9 I score 1,75% Siberian, but is high for a Romanian. In general I score 2-4% on GEDmatch calculators, depends.

[Impaler]

I noticed that he has also some South Asian and some Indian mixed populations.

[Luke35]

I score even higher than him, hehe.

My dad's PHASED kit, for whatever that is worth:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 58.43
2 West_Asian 16.35
3 Southern 15.26
4 South_Asian 3.65
5 African 3.16
6 Siberian 2.28
7 East_Asian 0.87

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 9.6
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.77
3 Hungarians (Behar) 11.1
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.49
5 French (HGDP) 13.62
6 French (Dodecad) 13.98
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14
8 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.93
9 Spaniards (Behar) 16.23
10 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 16.37
11 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 16.41
12 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 16.43
13 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.59
14 German (Dodecad) 16.73
15 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.13
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 17.15
17 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.19
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 17.3
19 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 17.32
20 Dutch (Dodecad) 17.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 22.5% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.56
2 78.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 21.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.92
3 73.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 26.8% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.94
4 75% Polish (Dodecad) + 25% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.03
5 70% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 30% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.06
6 74.9% Russian_B (Behar) + 25.1% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.08
7 74.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.27
8 74.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 25.3% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.28
9 74.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.6% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.49
10 75% Russian_B (Behar) + 25% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.54
11 77.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 22.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.65
12 67% Lithuanians (Behar) + 33% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.75
13 74.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.3% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.76
14 72.8% Swedish (Dodecad) + 27.2% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.8
15 78.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 21.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.84
16 73.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 26.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.97
17 73.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 26.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.11
18 70.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 4.15
19 73.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 26.5% Jordanians (Behar) @ 4.16
20 68.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.18

[Impaler]

My dad's PHASED kit, for whatever that is worth:

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 58.43
2 West_Asian 16.35
3 Southern 15.26
4 South_Asian 3.65
5 African 3.16
6 Siberian 2.28
7 East_Asian 0.87

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanians (Behar) 9.6
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.77
3 Hungarians (Behar) 11.1
4 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.49
5 French (HGDP) 13.62
6 French (Dodecad) 13.98
7 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14
8 North_Italian (HGDP) 15.93
9 Spaniards (Behar) 16.23
10 Cataluna (1000Genomes) 16.37
11 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 16.41
12 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 16.43
13 Baleares (1000Genomes) 16.59
14 German (Dodecad) 16.73
15 O_Italian (Dodecad) 17.13
16 Portuguese (Dodecad) 17.15
17 Galicia (1000Genomes) 17.19
18 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 17.3
19 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 17.32
20 Dutch (Dodecad) 17.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 22.5% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.56
2 78.6% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 21.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.92
3 73.2% Belorussian (Behar) + 26.8% Yemenese (Behar) @ 2.94
4 75% Polish (Dodecad) + 25% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.03
5 70% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 30% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.06
6 74.9% Russian_B (Behar) + 25.1% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.08
7 74.6% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.4% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.27
8 74.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 25.3% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.28
9 74.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.6% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.49
10 75% Russian_B (Behar) + 25% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.54
11 77.5% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) + 22.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.65
12 67% Lithuanians (Behar) + 33% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.75
13 74.7% Russian (Dodecad) + 25.3% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.76
14 72.8% Swedish (Dodecad) + 27.2% Yemenese (Behar) @ 3.8
15 78.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) + 21.5% Egyptans (Behar) @ 3.84
16 73.7% Russian_B (Behar) + 26.3% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.97
17 73.4% Russian (Dodecad) + 26.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.11
18 70.1% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 29.9% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 4.15
19 73.5% Russian_B (Behar) + 26.5% Jordanians (Behar) @ 4.16
20 68.5% Lithuanian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 4.18

My father definitely score higher than me, 4-5%. We have very close results.

[Kaspias]

I noticed that he has also some South Asian and some Indian mixed populations.

Yes.

Also his father scored something like 3-4. His father is winner if i'm not in the race. :p

Ehhh i remembered wrong sorry

[Impaler]

Yes.

Also his father scored something like 3-4. His father is winner if i'm not in the race. :p

Ehhh i remembered wrong sorry

Maybe I am also related to Hungarians somehow.

[Luke35]

Yes.

Also his father scored something like 3-4. His father is winner if i'm not in the race. :p

Ehhh i remembered wrong sorry

Wait, who wins? My father or Impaler's?

[Kaspias]

Maybe I am also related to Hungarians somehow.

You should check your match list. How many Hungarian are there?

Can you share your k7b?(idk why we are using this calc. XD)

[Kaspias]

Wait, who wins? My father or Impaler's?

I thought i saw your father in another thread, with 3~4 siberian score. When you shared his phased results i realized i remembered wrong. So just never mind lol

[Impaler]

You should check your match list. How many Hungarian are there?

Can you share your k7b?(idk why we are using this calc. XD)

I have so many Hungarians in my 23andme list.

[Impaler]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 45.3
2 West_Asian 24.22
3 Southern 21.75
4 South_Asian 5.66
5 Siberian 1.52
6 East_Asian 0.83
7 African 0.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.14
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.04
3 Romanians (Behar) 10.22
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.89
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.95
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.07
7 Greek (Dodecad) 13.56
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.04
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.89
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.46
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.66
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.56
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.38
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.61
15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 21.8
16 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 22.47
17 Murcia (1000Genomes) 22.68
18 Portuguese (Dodecad) 22.74
19 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 22.91
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 22.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 15.1% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 1.24
2 83.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 16.3% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 1.6
3 86.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 13.1% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 2.24
4 69.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.38
5 69.8% Spaniards (Behar) + 30.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.42
6 83.6% Romanians (Behar) + 16.4% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.44
7 70.3% Spaniards (Behar) + 29.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.45
8 76.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.9% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.47
9 77% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 23% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.48
10 68.7% Cataluna (1000Genomes) + 31.3% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.56
11 68.1% Valencia (1000Genomes) + 31.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.66
12 68.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) + 31.4% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.68
13 67.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 32.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.73
14 86% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 14% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 2.85
15 66.8% Cantabria (1000Genomes) + 33.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.91
16 67.3% Cantabria (1000Genomes) + 32.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.92
17 69.1% Cataluna (1000Genomes) + 30.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.92
18 87.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 2.93
19 88% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12% Indian (Dodecad) @ 2.94
20 71.5% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 28.5% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.94

[Kaspias]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 45.3
2 West_Asian 24.22
3 Southern 21.75
4 South_Asian 5.66
5 Siberian 1.52
6 East_Asian 0.83
7 African 0.72

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 9.14
2 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 10.04
3 Romanians (Behar) 10.22
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 10.89
5 Tuscan (HGDP) 11.95
6 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.07
7 Greek (Dodecad) 13.56
8 C_Italian (Dodecad) 14.04
9 N_Italian (Dodecad) 14.89
10 North_Italian (HGDP) 16.46
11 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.66
12 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.56
13 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 20.38
14 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 20.61
15 Baleares (1000Genomes) 21.8
16 Extremadura (1000Genomes) 22.47
17 Murcia (1000Genomes) 22.68
18 Portuguese (Dodecad) 22.74
19 Andalucia (1000Genomes) 22.91
20 Galicia (1000Genomes) 22.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 15.1% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 1.24
2 83.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 16.3% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 1.6
3 86.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 13.1% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 2.24
4 69.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 30.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.38
5 69.8% Spaniards (Behar) + 30.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.42
6 83.6% Romanians (Behar) + 16.4% Bnei_Menashe_Jews (Behar) @ 2.44
7 70.3% Spaniards (Behar) + 29.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.45
8 76.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 23.9% Pathan (HGDP) @ 2.47
9 77% N_Italian (Dodecad) + 23% Burusho (HGDP) @ 2.48
10 68.7% Cataluna (1000Genomes) + 31.3% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.56
11 68.1% Valencia (1000Genomes) + 31.9% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.66
12 68.6% Valencia (1000Genomes) + 31.4% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.68
13 67.1% North_Italian (HGDP) + 32.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 2.73
14 86% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 14% Cochin_Jews (Behar) @ 2.85
15 66.8% Cantabria (1000Genomes) + 33.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.91
16 67.3% Cantabria (1000Genomes) + 32.7% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.92
17 69.1% Cataluna (1000Genomes) + 30.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.92
18 87.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12.1% Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu (Metspalu) @ 2.93
19 88% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 12% Indian (Dodecad) @ 2.94
20 71.5% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 28.5% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.94

Well you have typical Romanian result. But i guess there are small gypsy admixture. But still couldn't explain where your siberian came. I think scoring more than ~0,5 Siberian is not usual for Romanians.

I would bet for Steppe-Turkic ancestry from 1000-1200s that came from your Romanian ancestry. But not clear, obviously.

[Kaspias]

double post.

[Leto]

But still couldn't explain where your siberian came. I think scoring more than ~0,5 Siberian is not usual for Romanians.

Not really. Both Romanians and Hungarians often score up to 3% Mongoloid. Seya does for example.

[Kaspias]

Not really. Both Romanians and Hungarians often score up to 3% Mongoloid. Seya does for example.

I took Incel as an example lol

[Luke35]

I thought i saw your father in another thread, with 3~4 siberian score. When you shared his phased results i realized i remembered wrong. So just never mind lol

You did, and here it is:

My dad's phased kit

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 29.46
Baltic 24.19
West_Med 12.97
West_Asian 8.03
East_Med 7.37
Red_Sea 3.76
South_Asian 4.16
East_Asian 1.20
Siberian 3.05
Amerindian 1.41
Oceanian 1.17
Northeast_African 2.16
Sub-Saharan 1.07

Below is my Dad's kit if we assume I am the exact halfway point between my two parents for each catagory. I think it's closer to reality:

K13
N.Atlantic 32.44
Baltic 27.65
W.Med 13.84
W.Asian 7.21
E.Med 9.94
R.Sea 3.14
S.Asian 2.25
Siberian 1.99
Amerindian 1.38
Oceanian .78

[Kaspias]

You did, and here it is:

My dad's phased kit

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 29.46
Baltic 24.19
West_Med 12.97
West_Asian 8.03
East_Med 7.37
Red_Sea 3.76
South_Asian 4.16
East_Asian 1.20
Siberian 3.05
Amerindian 1.41
Oceanian 1.17
Northeast_African 2.16
Sub-Saharan 1.07

This is may Dad's kit if we assume I am the exact halfway point between my two parents for each catagory. I think it's closer to reality:

K13
N.Atlantic 32.44
Baltic 27.65
W.Med 13.84
W.Asian 7.21
E.Med 9.94
R.Sea 3.14
S.Asian 2.25
Siberian 1.99
Amerindian 1.38
Oceanian .78

Well your dad is winner then :rolleyes:

[Luke35]

My mother- North_Atlantic 45.34
Me- North_Atlantic 38.89
Dad- North_Atlantic 32.44 - this is in theory of course, as my score moved away from my mother's by 6.45%. So I subtract 6.45% from my score to get my dad's score.

[Jana]

Clustering between parents doesn't always seem to the the case, depends on genetic recombination. For example my results are far more like my dad's than like my mom's , and I am more northern shifted than both of them.

[Impaler]

You did, and here it is:

My dad's phased kit

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 29.46
Baltic 24.19
West_Med 12.97
West_Asian 8.03
East_Med 7.37
Red_Sea 3.76
South_Asian 4.16
East_Asian 1.20
Siberian 3.05
Amerindian 1.41
Oceanian 1.17
Northeast_African 2.16
Sub-Saharan 1.07

This is may Dad's kit if we assume I am the exact halfway point between my two parents for each catagory. I think it's closer to reality:

K13
N.Atlantic 32.44
Baltic 27.65
W.Med 13.84
W.Asian 7.21
E.Med 9.94
R.Sea 3.14
S.Asian 2.25
Siberian 1.99
Amerindian 1.38
Oceanian .78

You are a true Magyar, haha

[Luke35]

Clustering between parents doesn't always seem to the the case, depends on genetic recombination. For example my results are far more like my dad's than like my mom's , and I am more northern shifted than both of them.

That's a great point, I'm only speculating with my dad's "fantasy kit". I do believe there is evidence my father may have had slightly increased South Asian, Red Sea, and Siberian/Amerindian results, for a Hungarian.

[Jana]

That's a great point, I'm only speculating with my dad's "fantasy kit". I do believe there is evidence my father may have had slightly increased South Asian, Red Sea, and Siberian/Amerindian results, for a Hungarian.

My boyfriend scores Siberian/Amerindian and South Asian in 2-3% range, but he doesn't score Red Sea at all, for example.

[Luke35]

My boyfriend scores Siberian/Amerindian and South Asian in 2-3% range, but he doesn't score Red Sea at all, for example.

Great, so this is maybe not so unusual for Hungarians. My father probably had Red Sea in the 3-4% range as my mom's has virtually none. I have 2.11.

[Luke35]

Great, so this is maybe not so unusual for Hungarians. My father probably had Red Sea in the 3-4% range as my mom's has virtually none. I have 2.11.

Correction, just checked: mom has Red Sea 1.08. I have 2.11.

[Luke35]

My Eurogenes K36:

K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.16
Armenian -
Basque 0.32
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.61
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.46
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.67
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 7.59
Fennoscandian 4.68
French 6.53
Iberian 14.20
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.91
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 10.81
North_Caucasian 2.43
North_Sea 9.74
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.42
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.48
West_Med -

My mom is zero for South Central Asian, so this comes from my father.

[Kaspias]

My Eurogenes K36:

K36
Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.16
Armenian -
Basque 0.32
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.61
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 6.46
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 10.67
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 7.59
Fennoscandian 4.68
French 6.53
Iberian 14.20
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 13.91
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 10.81
North_Caucasian 2.43
North_Sea 9.74
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 3.42
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.48
West_Med -

My mom is zero for South Central Asian, so this comes from my father.

It is surprising you don't have volga-ural and siberian.

[Turul Karom]

You did, and here it is:

My dad's phased kit

K13
Population
North_Atlantic 29.46
Baltic 24.19
West_Med 12.97
West_Asian 8.03
East_Med 7.37
Red_Sea 3.76
South_Asian 4.16
East_Asian 1.20
Siberian 3.05
Amerindian 1.41
Oceanian 1.17
Northeast_African 2.16
Sub-Saharan 1.07

Below is my Dad's kit if we assume I am the exact halfway point between my two parents for each catagory. I think it's closer to reality:

K13
N.Atlantic 32.44
Baltic 27.65
W.Med 13.84
W.Asian 7.21
E.Med 9.94
R.Sea 3.14
S.Asian 2.25
Siberian 1.99
Amerindian 1.38
Oceanian .78

Here's my Eurogenes 13 kit again for comparison; though the above is your father's phased examples, do you have your own you have run through the Eurogenes K13 posted anywhere here?

Population
North_Atlantic 38.97
Baltic 26.29
West_Med 12.73
West_Asian 8.19
East_Med 9.39
Red_Sea 1.45
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.66
Siberian 1.10
Amerindian 0.54
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.68
Sub-Saharan -

[Norka]

Rename thread to Turan fetish thread

[Turul Karom]

Rename thread to Turan fetish thread

It'll have to do until we get together again next year.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N2Q13m7sos

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/uxiMvmS.png



Which calculator is this and do you have the files for it? What's your Ydna and mtdna.

[Kaspias]

Rename thread to Turan fetish thread

You are a part of Turan dude :rolleyes:

[Norka]

You are a part of Turan dude :rolleyes:

Yes but unlike the Turks on here I don't see a need to flex it on every thread.

[Kaspias]

Yes but unlike the Turks on here I don't see a need to flex it on every thread.

You are right. Sometimes it is funny though. Actually i'm not turanist. I'm just interesting with "Siberian" genes and their roots.

[Turul Karom]

Which calculator is this and do you have the files for it? What's your Ydna and mtdna.

This is the Turkic K11. You can find the files searching for it here.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?195528-How-T%FCrkic-are-you-Post-your-Turkic-K11-results&highlight=Turkic+Calculator

I believe one of the other major testing websites run it as well. I'm R1b, and H4. I've had different results for downstream Y-DNA, but I think it's probably a kit issue through FTDNA because I have moved multiple kits to their site and think they somehow also overrode my results with that of a non-paternal line male family member done through another service. I believe I am U-106. However, I have loaded my DNA through some Y-finder sites who could not tell me my Y-DNA, which is unfortunate. I just say I am U106, which I discussed with Stears here (as far as I know, I believe he once thought he had the same group as well before he was tested):

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?218598-Ugrofinian-lingua-franca&p=4637919&highlight=U106#post4637919

It was found in two people as well of the graves of high status early Hungarian conquerors, here is the study:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00438-016-1267-z

The below is from the second link, 438_2016_1267_MOESM2_ESM.xlsx:

https://i.imgur.com/lK4DQge.png

I am interested in trying the 23 and me company as well.



You are a part of Turan dude :rolleyes:

He always seems pretty down about his Turkic side, but it's fine.


Yes but unlike the Turks on here I don't see a need to flex it on every thread.

You seem to malign it generally though. Some of it is obviously tongue in cheek, but you are really hard on yourself sometimes. At least that is how I see it.


You are right. Sometimes it is funny though. Actually i'm not turanist. I'm just interesting with "Siberian" genes and their roots.

The memes are some of the parts that allow people to actually connect, ironically enough. The best humor always carries a truth inside itself. What got you so interested in Siberian research?

[Luke35]

Here's my Eurogenes 13 kit again for comparison; though the above is your father's phased examples, do you have your own you have run through the Eurogenes K13 posted anywhere here?

Population
North_Atlantic 38.97
Baltic 26.29
West_Med 12.73
West_Asian 8.19
East_Med 9.39
Red_Sea 1.45
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.66
Siberian 1.10
Amerindian 0.54
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.68
Sub-Saharan -

This is me, only half Hungarian.
K13
North_Atlantic 38.89
Baltic 25.72
West_Med 13.84
West_Asian 6.79
East_Med 8.60
Red_Sea 2.11
South_Asian 1.66
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.05
Amerindian 0.75
Oceanian 0.57
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

[Luke35]

It is surprising you don't have volga-ural and siberian.

Yeah, and I ran my father's phased kit thru K36- no Volga Ural or Siberian. But his SCA is 7.36 for this calculator.

[Leto]

This is me, only half Hungarian.
K13
North_Atlantic 38.89
Baltic 25.72
West_Med 13.84
West_Asian 6.79
East_Med 8.60
Red_Sea 2.11
South_Asian 1.66
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.05
Amerindian 0.75
Oceanian 0.57
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
What about Dodecad K12b? I wonder how much SW Asian you get.

[Leto]

This is me, only half Hungarian.
K13
North_Atlantic 38.89
Baltic 25.72
West_Med 13.84
West_Asian 6.79
East_Med 8.60
Red_Sea 2.11
South_Asian 1.66
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.05
Amerindian 0.75
Oceanian 0.57
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
What about Dodecad K12b? I wonder how much SW Asian you get.

[Luke35]

What about Dodecad K12b? I wonder how much SW Asian you get.

My Mother (German, Brit)
# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.77
2 Atlantic_Med 37.17
3 Caucasus 10.55
4 Gedrosia 8.11
5 Southwest_Asian 1.5
6 Siberian 0.43
7 South_Asian 0.38
8 East_African 0.08

Me (Half Hungarian)
# Population Percent
1 North_European 41.27
2 Atlantic_Med 33.14
3 Caucasus 11.67
4 Gedrosia 8.64
5 Southwest_Asian 2.92
6 South_Asian 1.41
7 Siberian 0.96

Father Phased (Hungarian)
# Population Percent
1 North_European 37.55
2 Atlantic_Med 27.43
3 Caucasus 12
4 Gedrosia 9.47
5 Southwest_Asian 4.48
6 South_Asian 2.53
7 East_African 2.21
8 Siberian 1.62
9 Sub_Saharan 1.51
10 East_Asian 0.66
11 Southeast_Asian 0.54

[Kaspias]

What got you so interested in Siberian research?

Not just Siberian, whole Turkic genes. Surprisingly i got high Turkic results, i'm trying to find where it came. Also haplogroup was completely surprising too.


Yeah, and I ran my father's phased kit thru K36- no Volga Ural or Siberian. But his SCA is 7.36 for this calculator.

I got 3.20 SCA in K36. I don't know which regions SCA component covers in this calculator. Probably Turkmen-Uyghur area.

[Nurzat]

Looks typical Hungarian results but... considering secondary populations there is a drift towards the Ural. Good. Turul has ancestry obviously from elite class which built Hungary 1000 years ago.
I mean looking at PuntDNAL, I see a total of around 2,5~3% which would indicate that. That sets him apart somewhat.

I am much more Siberian, I want elite ancestry too xD

Population / Percent
Atlantic_Baltic 63.43
West_Asian 18.41
Southern 15.77
Siberian 2.03
East_Asian 0.36

Single Population Sharing
Hungarians (Behar) 6.37
Romanians (Behar) 10.05
French (HGDP) 10.28
Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.97
German (Dodecad) 12.6
Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 13.4
Dutch (Dodecad) 13.45
Cornwall (1000Genomes) 13.59
English (Dodecad) 14.67
Argyll (1000Genomes) 15.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing
57.2% Romanians (Behar) + 42.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.81
88.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.82

[Turul Karom]

I am much more Siberian, I want elite ancestry too xD

Population / Percent
Atlantic_Baltic 63.43
West_Asian 18.41
Southern 15.77
Siberian 2.03
East_Asian 0.36

Single Population Sharing
Hungarians (Behar) 6.37
Romanians (Behar) 10.05
French (HGDP) 10.28
Bulgarian (Dodecad) 11.97
German (Dodecad) 12.6
Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 13.4
Dutch (Dodecad) 13.45
Cornwall (1000Genomes) 13.59
English (Dodecad) 14.67
Argyll (1000Genomes) 15.77

Mixed Mode Population Sharing
57.2% Romanians (Behar) + 42.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 0.81
88.1% Hungarians (Behar) + 11.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 0.82

Several Cumans and other Turkic peoples as well went through Romania and some obviously founded groups there as well. Perhaps you could have ancestry from a Turkic group or combination thereof. Have you made a results thread? Have you tried the Turkic calculator here or others?

Your calculator and population results could indeed show magyar ancestry depending on your family history as well if it can corroborate it in any way. If not we can always look to more population calculators and take averages from the lists of suggested population groups.

[Thracian]

Several Cumans and other Turkic peoples as well went through Romania and some obviously founded groups there as well. Perhaps you could have ancestry from a Turkic group or combination thereof. Have you made a results thread? Have you tried the Turkic calculator here or others?

Your results could indeed show magyar ancestry depending on your family history as well if it can corroborate it in any way.

Turkic calculator is terrible. I only got 2.8% lol.

[Kaspias]

Turkic calculator is terrible. I only got 2.8% lol.

What was your Dodecad K7b score?

[Turul Karom]

Turkic calculator is terrible. I only got 2.8% lol.

Post the full results. What ethnicities are your heritage and which do you claim to be today? When comparing with the reference populations of the K11 calculator we can perhaps find out why you score so "low" in Turkic.

[Thracian]

What was your Dodecad K7b score?

1Atlantic_Baltic41.41
2West_Asian26.92
3Southern25.17
4South_Asian2.69
5Siberian2.46
6East_Asian1.08
7African0.27

[Thracian]

Post the full results. What ethnicities are your heritage and which do you claim to be today? When comparing with the reference populations of the K11 calculator we can perhaps find out why you score so "low" in Turkic.

27.65% SE_European
25.61% W_Asian
0.48% SE_Asian
0.20% SSA
22.48% NE_European
3.20% Indian
16.27% NW_European
2.82% Turkic
0.75% Mongol
0.03% Papuan
0.50% NE_Asian

I am a Balkan Turk. I posted my results through my phone. I hope it works.

[Turul Karom]

Not just Siberian, whole Turkic genes. Surprisingly i got high Turkic results, i'm trying to find where it came. Also haplogroup was completely surprising too.



I got 3.20 SCA in K36. I don't know which regions SCA component covers in this calculator. Probably Turkmen-Uyghur area.

Which are your groups? I think single Turkic genes are difficult to label because the nature of steppe life resulted in many haplogroup types being absorbed by the moving tribes. Especially as we branched off from a more tightly knit Turkic empire (Göktürks). Therefore the idea of Turkic as a meta ethnicity makes more sense with individual sub ethnic groups further down the Turkic family tree.

[oszkar07]

On World 9 I score 1,75% Siberian, but is high for a Romanian. In general I score 2-4% on GEDmatch calculators, depends.

Im half Hungarian and I get more Siberian than you on World 9.

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 70.41
2 Southern 13.75
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 13.53
4 Siberian 2.12
5 African 0.16
6 Australasian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.44
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 3.89
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 4.53
4 German (Dodecad) 5.05
5 French (HGDP) 5.54
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 5.73
7 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 6.07
8 Kent (1000 Genomes) 6.09
9 British (Dodecad) 6.23
10 French (Dodecad) 6.88
11 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 6.95
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 7.19
13 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 7.62
14 Irish (Dodecad) 7.92
15 Orcadian (HGDP) 8.21
16 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 8.55
17 Polish (Dodecad) 9.15
18 Belorussian (Behar) 10.9
19 Russian_B (Behar) 11.5
20 Russian (Dodecad) 11.64


Here is my K11 Turkic

Southeast European 32.45%
West Asian 2.30%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%
Northeast European 35.58%
Indian 0.01%
Northwest European 25.57%
Turkic 4.13%
Mongol 0.00%
Papuan 0.00%
Northeast Asian 0.00%

Dodecad K7B

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 70.69
2 Southern 14.69
3 West_Asian 12.58
4 Siberian 1.95
5 African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.28
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 4.55
3 German (Dodecad) 4.84
4 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 5.44
5 French (HGDP) 5.87
6 Dutch (Dodecad) 5.99
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 6
8 Kent (1000Genomes) 6.03
9 French (Dodecad) 6.35
10 English (Dodecad) 6.49


Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.91
2 Baltic 31.04
3 West_Med 12.32
4 East_Med 8.99
5 West_Asian 4.7
6 Siberian 2.29
7 Red_Sea 1.68
8 Oceanian 0.07

[Kaspias]

Which are your groups? I think single Turkic genes are difficult to label because the nature of steppe life resulted in many haplogroup types being absorbed by the moving tribes. Especially as we braced off from a more tightly knit Turkic empire (Göktürks). Therefore the idea of Turkic as a meta ethnicity makes more sense with individual sub ethnic groups further down the Turkic family tree.

Q-L330 Y-DNA

Autosomal:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 43.38
2 Southern 22.98
3 West_Asian 22.22
4 Siberian 8.16
5 East_Asian 1.88
6 South_Asian 1.04
7 African 0.34

[Nurzat]

by the results of this calculator I am a Gypsy Turko-Mongol


K11 Turkic

Northeast European 34.72%
Southeast European 28.00%
Northwest European 20.69%
West Asian 10.00%
Turkic 3.65%
Mongol 1.62%
Indian 1.32%
Papuan 0.00%
Northeast Asian 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%

[Turul Karom]

Q-L330 Y-DNA

Autosomal:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 43.38
2 Southern 22.98
3 West_Asian 22.22
4 Siberian 8.16
5 East_Asian 1.88
6 South_Asian 1.04
7 African 0.34


27.65% SE_European
25.61% W_Asian
0.48% SE_Asian
0.20% SSA
22.48% NE_European
3.20% Indian
16.27% NW_European
2.82% Turkic
0.75% Mongol
0.03% Papuan
0.50% NE_Asian

I am a Balkan Turk. I posted my results through my phone. I hope it works.

Maybe this will help.

To quote myself from the K11 thread:

"It depends on thepopulationsthat you would consider adequate as Turkic benchmarks for today.

For this K11 calculator, the references used are:

The Turkic component is comprised of 7 Kyrgyz, 11 Uyghurs, and 10 Uzbeks. Turkmens have been included in the run but have not been set to areference(99%). They generally score in the 50% Turkic range. It is based on Uyghurs, Uzbeks and Kyrgyz who score 100% Turkic."

[Turul Karom]

K11 Turkic

Northeast European 34.72%
Southeast European 28.00%
Northwest European 20.69%
West Asian 10.00%
Turkic 3.65%
Mongol 1.62%
Indian 1.32%
Papuan 0.00%
Northeast Asian 0.00%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%

Indian component could be from branch off of Turkic groups moving south east such as white Huns (white being a cardinal direction, not a skin color).

Make a post wherever you'd like with all of the single and mixed populations from each calculator from my first post on page one. We can average the number of Magyar and other Turkic results and their percentages. I will save you a yurt and a horse in the meantime lol.

[Nurzat]

Indian component could be from branch off of Turkic groups moving south east such as white Huns (white being a cardinal direction, not a skin color).

Make a post wherever you'd like with all of the single and mixed populations from each calculator from my first post on page one. We can average the number of Magyar and other Turkic results and their percentages. I'll will save you a yurt and a horse in the meantime lol.

yes, because I usually don't score any ASI / Indian / South Asian, it gets sucked up by other components. anyway always nice to know that I may be 6-7% Central Asian :) there were indeed a lot of Cumans and Pechenegs in southern Moldova (https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk%C3%B3i_p%C3%BCsp%C3%B6ks%C3%A9g), while Tatars still are nearby in Dobrudja (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars_of_Romania) (my wife is of part Tatar descent)

ps. see I drink a Csíki sör in the avatar xD

[Turul Karom]

yes, because I usually don't score any ASI / Indian / South Asian, it gets sucked up by other components. anyway always nice to know that I may be 6-7% Central Asian :) there were indeed a lot of Cumans and Pechenegs in southern Moldova (https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk%C3%B3i_p%C3%BCsp%C3%B6ks%C3%A9g), while Tatars still are nearby in Dobrudja (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars_of_Romania) (my wife is of part Tatar descent)

ps. see I drink a Csíki sör in the avatar xD

Interesting about your wife. Did you feel any common background with her that influenced you two being together? Looking forward to your calculator population posts as well. I know there are several to put together so take your time.

[Nurzat]

Interesting about your wife. Did you feel any common background with her that influenced you two being together? Looking forward to your calculator population posts as well. I know there are several to put together so take your time.

yes, I will post that later, I am at work now.

about my wife - I didn't care much about her origins. she is from Moldova region, part Tatar on her mother's side (her mom even has a totally Turko-Tatar last name). while I am (west) Ukrainian from my dad's side and Moldovan (northeast Romanian) from my mom's. my paternal grandpa seems to have been also part German by the results I get (my dad's village was a shared German-Ukrainian colony until WW2, then only Ukrainian, since most Germans left).

I have a great interest in the Eurasian steppe and its peoples.

[Turul Karom]

Interesting. What do you identify as ethnically? Going back into your family, is it only "Ukranian" and "German"? No Magyar known or other steppe people?

[Nurzat]

Interesting. What do you identify as ethnically? Going back into your family, is it only "Ukranian" and "German"? No Magyar known or other steppe people?

all my father's family side speaks Ukrainian as first language, all my mom's speaks Romanian, they are also from different regions. I speak both, I grew up on my dad's side (Ukrainian) but I now live in Moldova (Romanian), so I identify as both.

I have Szekler relatives, but not ancestry - a part of my mom's side moved to Székelyföld and married locals.

in calculators I come close to Hungarians because I am basically a West Ukrainian - Moldovan mix, but there is no apparent Hungarian ancestry.

one of my closest friends is a Moldovan csángó :) he looks Swedish-Finnish, I'll show him to you in private

[Leto]

about my wife - I didn't care much about her origins. she is from Moldova region, part Tatar on her mother's side (her mom even has a totally Turko-Tatar last name).
Not Volga/Kazan Tatar, I assume?

[Nurzat]

Not Volga/Kazan Tatar, I assume?

Crimean Tatar from Dobrudja (southeast Romania)

[tipirneni]

K11 Turkic

Indian 71.35%
West Asian 13.15%
Northeast European 3.21%

Turkic 4.95%
Mongol 0.83%
Northeast Asian 1.16%

Southeast Asian 3.33%

Papuan 1.25%
Sub-Saharan African 0.76%

[oszkar07]

Im half Hungarian and I get more Siberian than you on World 9.

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 70.41
2 Southern 13.75
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 13.53
4 Siberian 2.12
5 African 0.16
6 Australasian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.44
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 3.89
3 Dutch (Dodecad) 4.53
4 German (Dodecad) 5.05
5 French (HGDP) 5.54
6 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 5.73
7 Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 6.07
8 Kent (1000 Genomes) 6.09
9 British (Dodecad) 6.23
10 French (Dodecad) 6.88
11 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 6.95
12 British_Isles (Dodecad) 7.19
13 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 7.62
14 Irish (Dodecad) 7.92
15 Orcadian (HGDP) 8.21
16 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 8.55
17 Polish (Dodecad) 9.15
18 Belorussian (Behar) 10.9
19 Russian_B (Behar) 11.5
20 Russian (Dodecad) 11.64


Here is my K11 Turkic

Southeast European 32.45%
West Asian 2.30%
Southeast Asian 0.00%
Sub-Saharan African 0.00%
Northeast European 35.58%
Indian 0.01%
Northwest European 25.57%
Turkic 4.13%
Mongol 0.00%
Papuan 0.00%
Northeast Asian 0.00%

Dodecad K7B

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 70.69
2 Southern 14.69
3 West_Asian 12.58
4 Siberian 1.95
5 African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarians (Behar) 2.28
2 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 4.55
3 German (Dodecad) 4.84
4 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 5.44
5 French (HGDP) 5.87
6 Dutch (Dodecad) 5.99
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 6
8 Kent (1000Genomes) 6.03
9 French (Dodecad) 6.35
10 English (Dodecad) 6.49


Eurogenes K13

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.91
2 Baltic 31.04
3 West_Med 12.32
4 East_Med 8.99
5 West_Asian 4.7
6 Siberian 2.29
7 Red_Sea 1.68
8 Oceanian 0.07

How come I get somewhat significant Siberian and Turkic results but otherwise I dont get much West Asian.

[Jana]

How come I get somewhat significant Siberian and Turkic results but otherwise I dont get much West Asian.

Your Hungarian side looks to be more Siberian than average (on this calc average for full Hungarians is below 2 percent) which isnt weird if they are from Szeged area iirc which is Great Plain.

Szekely can be up to 5 percent plus Siberian which make sense since they are easternmost Magyars (plus Csango), while Transdanubians have the least but still score some.

[Luke35]

How come I get somewhat significant Siberian and Turkic results but otherwise I dont get much West Asian.

I wonder, if like you, your Hungarian parent had high Siberian and low West Asian? Or perhaps was in the typical range for Magyar and you just inherited unevenly? It is possible that your Hungarian parent had like 3 or 4% Siberian and only 5 or 6% West Asian. That would be very interesting.

[Luke35]

My statement is assuming of course that your British ancestry was typically British with maybe 5% WA and no Siberian being contributed from that side.

[oszkar07]

I wonder, if like you, your Hungarian parent had high Siberian and low West Asian? Or perhaps was in the typical range for Magyar and you just inherited unevenly? It is possible that your Hungarian parent had like 3 or 4% Siberian and only 5 or 6% West Asian. That would be very interesting.

I think its possible I could have inherited unevenly as have seen examples of that with members on this site when they compare their dna results with their parents or siblings.
Yes as far as I know the British side looks all around British at least for the several generations I am aware of.
I assume my Dad must have high Siberian component possibly up to 4 % or more.

[oszkar07]

Your Hungarian side looks to be more Siberian than average (on this calc average for full Hungarians is below 2 percent) which isnt weird if they are from Szeged area iirc which is Great Plain.

Szekely can be up to 5 percent plus Siberian which make sense since they are easternmost Magyars (plus Csango), while Transdanubians have the least but still score some.

Yes and my Siberian seems to be consistantly above avg for half Hungarian, I also get Volga Ural result in K36.
But there are a few cals that have Siberian where I dont register too high so must be some variations with samples.
Interesting , well my Father and his Mother are from Szeged so maybe some distant Kun /Cuman ancestry might be possible.
Grandfather and his Mothers family are from Transylvania. I didnt think they were Szekely but maybe they have some in their line.

[Turul Karom]

Here are the reference populations for the divisions of the K11 Turkic calculator. Since it seemed to be a topic of interest, I took them from the calculator files so everyone can see them. I am going to post them to the Turkic K11 calculator thread as well. The closer it is to 1.0, the more the population resembles said division, There are 11 divisions total. The divisions are listed in order so you can count across each number to the right of the reference population in the same ordering to see how close to 1.0 said reference population is to the assigned division for the calculator. Example: Kyrgyz 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0, with 0.9999 in this "column" being a nearly 100% Turkic score.

Enjoy!

IMAGE FORMAT:

https://i.imgur.com/8Iqjgiw.png
https://i.imgur.com/GJTN4pk.png
https://i.imgur.com/o2Pf2H6.png
https://i.imgur.com/YUX4wzY.png
https://i.imgur.com/bK1ZBYV.png
https://i.imgur.com/bERlhLC.png

TEXT FORMAT:

11 {Quantity of components}
SE_European
W_Asian
SE_Asian
SSA
NE_European
Indian
NW_European
Turkic
Mongol
Papuan
NE_Asian
Albanians 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Algerian 0.6799 0.0808 0.0011 0.2356 0 0 0.0022 0 0 0.0004 0
Altaian 0 0.0004 0 0 0.0406 0.0096 0.0444 0.2071 0.478 0 0.2198
Arabs_Israel 0.223 0.7283 0.0025 0.0203 0 0 0.0145 0.0067 0 0.0047 0
Armenian 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Assyrians 0.0973 0.7901 0 0 0.0817 0.0294 0 0.0008 0 0.0007 0
Azerbaijanis 0.0137 0.6269 0 0 0.1908 0.0445 0 0.1241 0 0 0
Baloch_Iran 0 0.5399 0 0.0199 0.1131 0.327 0 0 0 0 0
Balochi 0 0.5372 0 0 0.093 0.3697 0 0 0 0 0
Basque 0.2633 0 0 0 0 0 0.7366 0 0 0 0
BedouinA 0.1748 0.7235 0.0014 0.0881 0.0025 0 0.0046 0 0.0028 0.0019 0.0004
Belarusians 0.1972 0 0.0039 0 0.7124 0 0.0833 0 0.0007 0.0005 0.002
Bengali 0.0323 0.0073 0.0307 0.0012 0.0025 0.8186 0.0299 0.0597 0.0079 0.0025 0.0074
Bengali_Dhaka 0.0312 0 0.0672 0 0.007 0.7715 0.0114 0 0.1063 0.0053 0
Bosnian 0.4298 0.041 0.0052 0 0.467 0.0157 0.0327 0.0029 0.002 0.002 0.0017
Brahmin 0 0.1102 0 0 0.171 0.6647 0.0182 0.0225 0.0011 0.0032 0.0091
Brahui 0 0.4225 0 0 0.1307 0.4039 0 0.035 0 0 0.0078
Brunei_Dusun 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brunei_Murut 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Bulgarian 0.4486 0.1434 0.0033 0.001 0.3243 0.0068 0.0633 0.0008 0 0.0031 0.0055
Burmese 0 0 0.3248 0 0 0.221 0 0 0.4463 0.0078 0
Burusho 0 0.1489 0 0 0.1266 0.4351 0.0091 0.2796 0 0.0006 0
Chuvashes 0.0364 0.0116 0.0029 0.0005 0.5762 0.003 0.054 0.1159 0.0369 0.0001 0.1625
Congo_pygmies 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cossacks 0.2615 0.077 0 0.0008 0.5908 0.0179 0.0424 0 0.0096 0 0
Cossacks_Kuban 0.1633 0 0.0033 0 0.6724 0 0.1066 0.0489 0 0.0054 0
Croats 0.448 0 0.0079 0.0006 0.4749 0.0092 0.0576 0 0.0005 0.0014 0
Cypriot 0.4039 0.5663 0 0 0.023 0.0044 0 0 0.0023 0 0.0002
Czech 0.3169 0 0 0.0012 0.5056 0.0115 0.1634 0 0 0.0014 0
Druze 0.2514 0.6986 0.0007 0.0075 0.0234 0.008 0.0063 0.0042 0 0 0
Egyptian 0.232 0.6274 0.003 0.1322 0 0 0 0 0.0006 0.0049 0
English 0.1473 0.0556 0 0.0002 0.2368 0.0025 0.5509 0 0 0.0066 0
Esan 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Estonians 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0
Finnish 0.0616 0 0.0015 0.0013 0.6159 0.0006 0.2226 0.0179 0.0112 0.003 0.0643
French 0.2305 0.0523 0 0.0022 0.1701 0.0183 0.5243 0.0022 0 0 0
Germans 0.3098 0.025 0 0 0.3148 0.0123 0.3256 0.0103 0 0.0021 0
Greek 0.4659 0.2692 0 0.0029 0.1969 0.0068 0.0554 0.0007 0 0.0006 0.0015
GujaratiB 0.0056 0.1085 0.0059 0 0.121 0.726 0.0324 0.0003 0 0.0004 0
GujaratiC 0.0359 0.0415 0.0013 0 0.0672 0.8286 0.0233 0 0.001 0.0009 0.0003
GujaratiD 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
Hungarian 0.3897 0.0108 0.0002 0 0.5044 0.0045 0.0727 0 0 0.0035 0.0142
Icelandic 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0
India_Asur 0 0 0.1585 0 0 0.8139 0 0 0 0.0275 0
India_Gond 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
India_Gupta 0.0971 0 0 0 0 0.8742 0.0015 0 0 0.019 0.0081
India_Ho 0 0 0.3062 0 0 0.6422 0 0 0.0185 0.033 0
India_Kapu 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
India_Kol 0 0 0.0433 0 0.0093 0.9249 0.0164 0 0 0.0061 0
India_Kurmi 0.0088 0.0628 0.0254 0 0.0387 0.8616 0 0 0 0.0026 0
India_Marwadi 0.0646 0.0127 0.0049 0 0 0.885 0.0162 0 0 0 0.0165
India_Mpradesh 0.0036 0 0.1184 0 0 0.8468 0 0 0.0055 0.0159 0.0097
India_Orissa 0 0 0.0727 0.0009 0.0176 0.8078 0.0554 0 0 0.0179 0.0277
India_Santhal 0 0 0.1831 0.0036 0 0.7966 0 0 0 0.0155 0.0011
India_Thakur 0.0706 0.002 0 0 0.0931 0.8234 0 0 0.0108 0 0
Indian_Balija 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
Indonesia_Bajo 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Indonesia_Lebbo 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Iran_recent 0 0.8179 0 0 0.1065 0.0755 0 0 0 0 0
Iran_Zoroastrian 0 0.6821 0 0 0.1779 0.1399 0 0 0 0 0
Iranian 0 0.6807 0.0006 0 0.1396 0.119 0.0054 0.0531 0 0.0007 0.0008
Italian_North 0.4968 0.1219 0.0014 0 0.0493 0 0.325 0.0054 0 0 0
Italian_South 0.6901 0.198 0 0.0032 0.0669 0.0025 0.0352 0.0035 0.0002 0.0004 0.0001
Jew_Ashkenazi 0.3632 0.3926 0.0037 0.011 0.066 0 0.1497 0 0.0036 0.0023 0.0078
Jew_iraqi 0.148 0.8158 0.0008 0 0.0106 0.0245 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
Jew_Libyan 0.3964 0.4976 0.003 0.0393 0 0 0.0606 0.0031 0 0 0
Jordanians 0.1799 0.7416 0.0067 0.0439 0.0096 0.0139 0 0 0 0.0017 0.0027
Kalash 0 0.2423 0 0 0.2448 0.4799 0 0.0329 0 0 0
Kalmyk 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.2501 0.5746 0 0.1752
Kosovo 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Kryashen_Tatars 0.1476 0.0478 0.0141 0.0012 0.5265 0.0103 0.0781 0.0181 0.0761 0.0043 0.0758
Kshatriya 0.0111 0.1447 0 0 0.159 0.6812 0 0 0 0 0.0039
Kumyks 0.0316 0.4655 0 0 0.3177 0.0618 0.0207 0.1027 0 0 0
Kurd_C 0 0.7381 0 0 0.1332 0.0814 0 0.0473 0 0 0
Kurd_F 0 0.7346 0 0 0.1333 0.1235 0.0057 0.0028 0 0 0.0001
Kurd_N 0.0272 0.7066 0 0 0.1693 0.077 0.0198 0 0 0 0
Kurd_SE 0 0.3785 0 0 0.152 0.3639 0 0.1056 0 0 0
Kyrgyz 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0
Latvians 0.07 0 0 0 0.8523 0 0.0626 0 0.0076 0.0044 0.003
Lezgins 0 0.5376 0 0 0.3554 0.0794 0.0024 0.025 0 0 0
Libyan 0.2556 0.5749 0.0005 0.1649 0 0 0 0 0.0034 0.0007 0
Lithuanians 0.1456 0 0.0121 0 0.8017 0 0.0394 0 0 0.0012 0
Macedonian 0.5618 0.0911 0.0008 0.0004 0.311 0.0053 0.0259 0.0003 0.001 0.0018 0.0005
Mbuti 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mishar_Tatars 0.1172 0.0274 0.0048 0 0.5027 0 0.0687 0.2337 0 0.0031 0.0423
Moldavians 0.3973 0.1073 0.0091 0.0009 0.3861 0.0111 0.0584 0.0267 0 0.0032 0
Mongola 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0
Mongolians 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0
Montenegran 0.5636 0.0255 0.0018 0.0005 0.3761 0.0063 0.0189 0.0016 0.0039 0.0007 0.0011
Mordvins 0.1556 0 0.0094 0.0015 0.6984 0 0.0384 0.0178 0.0217 0.0052 0.0519
Moroccan 0.4574 0.2696 0 0.2717 0 0 0 0 0 0.0012 0
Nepal_Tamang 0 0 0.106 0 0 0.188 0 0 0.6818 0.0242 0
Nepali_Brahmin 0 0.1433 0.0108 0 0.1141 0.594 0.0253 0.1125 0 0 0
North_Ossetians 0.048 0.5331 0 0 0.1823 0.044 0.0342 0.1584 0 0 0
Norwegian 0.0416 0.0439 0.0001 0 0.3314 0.0046 0.5674 0 0.003 0.0035 0.0044
Orcadian 0.0537 0.0465 0.0053 0 0.236 0.0023 0.6538 0 0 0.0023 0
Palliyar 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
Papua_Koinanbe 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0
Papua_Kosipe 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0
Pashtun_Afghan 0 0.3236 0 0 0.2270 0.3505 0.0004 0.0982 0 0.0002 0
Pathan 0 0.2581 0 0 0.1854 0.4785 0.0029 0.075 0 0 0
Poles 0.2212 0 0.004 0.0014 0.7209 0.0054 0.0449 0 0 0.0015 0.0007
Punjabi 0 0.1842 0.0002 0 0.1647 0.6029 0.0148 0.0323 0.0006 0.0002 0
Punjabi_PJL 0.0522 0.0267 0.0175 0.001 0.0261 0.8426 0.0247 0.0012 0.0023 0.002 0.0038
Russians_C 0.1893 0 0.0021 0 0.7028 0.0053 0.0393 0 0.024 0.0076 0.0295
Russians_N 0.04 0 0 0 0.6682 0 0.1608 0 0 0.0004 0.1305
Russians_W 0.117 0 0.0244 0 0.8099 0 0.0414 0 0.0042 0.0029 0
Sakha 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999
Sardinian 0.8256 0.0035 0 0.0001 0 0 0.1708 0 0 0 0
Saudi 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Scottish 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0
Serbian 0.478 0.0466 0.0035 0.0005 0.4127 0.0055 0.0431 0.0033 0.0028 0.0022 0.0016
Sicilian 0.44 0.3239 0 0.012 0.0111 0.0013 0.1965 0.0065 0.0052 0.0035 0
Sindhi 0 0.2296 0.0003 0 0.1401 0.6191 0 0.0096 0 0.0012 0
Somali 0 0.4441 0.0012 0.5535 0 0 0 0 0.0001 0.0008 0.0003
Spanish 0.439 0.0206 0 0.0133 0.0096 0.0014 0.5124 0.0032 0 0 0.0004
Spanish_N 0.3165 0.0046 0 0 0 0 0.6788 0 0 0 0
Steppe_IA 0 0 0 0 0.6847 0 0 0.3153 0 0 0
Stuttgart 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Swedes 0.0742 0.0029 0 0 0.4331 0.0085 0.459 0 0.019 0.0033 0
Tajik 0.005 0.2719 0.0011 0 0.2269 0.2005 0.0082 0.2758 0 0.0005 0.0102
Tajik_Ishkasim 0 0.1956 0 0 0.3042 0.3053 0.0155 0.1795 0 0 0
Tajik_Rushan 0 0.2802 0 0 0.3289 0.2288 0 0.162 0 0 0
Tajik_Shugnan 0 0.248 0 0 0.3383 0.2241 0 0.188 0 0.0015 0
Tajik_Yaghnobi 0 0.3464 0 0 0.3403 0.2086 0 0.1047 0 0 0
Tajiks 0 0.2865 0 0 0.1981 0.2114 0 0.3038 0 0 0
Tatars 0.0936 0.0449 0.0033 0.0003 0.4326 0.0098 0.1259 0.1251 0.0833 0.0012 0.0801
Tunisian 0.464 0.3155 0.006 0.2122 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0022
Turkish_Adana 0.1926 0.7247 0 0 0 0.0158 0.0669 0 0 0 0
Turkish_Balikesir 0.2977 0.2783 0 0 0.1354 0.0074 0 0.2812 0 0 0
Turkish_Kayseri 0.1471 0.5621 0 0 0.1206 0.0244 0 0.1439 0 0 0.0018
Turkmen 0 0.2728 0 0 0.1189 0.049 0.0134 0.3935 0.1355 0.0043 0.0125
Turkmens 0 0.2069 0 0 0.15 0.0048 0.0003 0.3659 0.2085 0.0037 0.0598
Tuvinians 0 0 0 0 0.0151 0 0 0.1768 0.4502 0.0031 0.3547
Udmurds 0 0.0059 0 0 0.5379 0.0129 0.0594 0.2141 0 0 0.1696
Ukrainians_east 0.2611 0 0.0049 0 0.6849 0 0.0306 0 0.0026 0.0118 0.0039
Ukrainians_north 0.2387 0 0 0.0037 0.7075 0 0.043 0 0 0.007 0.0001
Ukrainians_west 0.2867 0.0095 0.0019 0.0028 0.5671 0 0.1178 0.0001 0.0014 0.002 0.0107
Ust_Ishim 0 0.0279 0.1098 0.1367 0 0.3573 0.1447 0 0.1217 0.1019 0
Uygur 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0
Uzbek 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0
Loschbour 0 0 0 0 0.2713 0 0.7287 0 0 0 0
Yakuts 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999
Yemeni 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Yoruba 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

[Nurzat]

when I compare the average of the folks in the region I tend to believe I have real Cuman/Tatar ancestry (scores hidden below, >5% total)

see the presence these peoples in the region:
13th century Cuman bishopry in today's southern Moldova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Cumania)
the Crimean Tatars of southeast Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars_of_Romania))

Moldovans
2.67% Turkic
0% Mongol

Bulgarians
0.08% Turkic
0% Mongol

Hungarians
0% Turkic
0% Mongol

Ukrainians (west)
0.01% Turkic
0.14% Mongol

Tatars
12.51% Turkic
8.33% Mongol

me
3.65% Turkic
1.62% Mongol

[Nanushka]

I have shared them before but I want to share again

South East European 12.27%
West Asian 34.48%
South East Asian 0.00%
Sub Saharan African 0.00%
North East European 25.20%
Indian 10.75%
North West European 8.80%
Turkic 8.51%
Mongol 0.00%
Papuan 0.00%
North East Asian 0.00%

my west asian is northern Caucasia and indian is northern India, as I have pointed out earlier

[Turul Karom]

when I compare the average of the folks in the region I tend to believe I have real Cuman/Tatar ancestry (scores hidden below, >5% total)

see the presence these peoples in the region:
13th century Cuman bishopry in today's southern Moldova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Cumania)
the Crimean Tatars of southeast Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars_of_Romania))


Important to note that these are reference populations for the various categories, not necessarily averages for the people in the region of said reference population. It is ideally to help narrow down the geographical regions that would represent "Turkic", "W_Asian", "Mongol", etc.

[Kaspias]

Here are the reference populations for the divisions of the K11 Turkic calculator. Since it seemed to be a topic of interest, I took them from the calculator files so everyone can see them. I am going to post them to the Turkic K11 calculator thread as well. The closer it is to 1.0, the more the population resembles said division, There are 11 divisions total. The divisions are listed in order so you can count across each number to the right of the reference population in the same ordering to see how close to 1.0 said reference population is to the assigned division for the calculator. Example: Kyrgyz 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0, with 0.9999 in this "column" being a nearly 100% Turkic score.

Enjoy!

IMAGE FORMAT:

https://i.imgur.com/8Iqjgiw.png
https://i.imgur.com/GJTN4pk.png
https://i.imgur.com/o2Pf2H6.png
https://i.imgur.com/YUX4wzY.png
https://i.imgur.com/bK1ZBYV.png
https://i.imgur.com/bERlhLC.png

TEXT FORMAT:

11 {Quantity of components}
SE_European
W_Asian
SE_Asian
SSA
NE_European
Indian
NW_European
Turkic
Mongol
Papuan
NE_Asian
Albanians 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Algerian 0.6799 0.0808 0.0011 0.2356 0 0 0.0022 0 0 0.0004 0
Altaian 0 0.0004 0 0 0.0406 0.0096 0.0444 0.2071 0.478 0 0.2198
Arabs_Israel 0.223 0.7283 0.0025 0.0203 0 0 0.0145 0.0067 0 0.0047 0
Armenian 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Assyrians 0.0973 0.7901 0 0 0.0817 0.0294 0 0.0008 0 0.0007 0
Azerbaijanis 0.0137 0.6269 0 0 0.1908 0.0445 0 0.1241 0 0 0
Baloch_Iran 0 0.5399 0 0.0199 0.1131 0.327 0 0 0 0 0
Balochi 0 0.5372 0 0 0.093 0.3697 0 0 0 0 0
Basque 0.2633 0 0 0 0 0 0.7366 0 0 0 0
BedouinA 0.1748 0.7235 0.0014 0.0881 0.0025 0 0.0046 0 0.0028 0.0019 0.0004
Belarusians 0.1972 0 0.0039 0 0.7124 0 0.0833 0 0.0007 0.0005 0.002
Bengali 0.0323 0.0073 0.0307 0.0012 0.0025 0.8186 0.0299 0.0597 0.0079 0.0025 0.0074
Bengali_Dhaka 0.0312 0 0.0672 0 0.007 0.7715 0.0114 0 0.1063 0.0053 0
Bosnian 0.4298 0.041 0.0052 0 0.467 0.0157 0.0327 0.0029 0.002 0.002 0.0017
Brahmin 0 0.1102 0 0 0.171 0.6647 0.0182 0.0225 0.0011 0.0032 0.0091
Brahui 0 0.4225 0 0 0.1307 0.4039 0 0.035 0 0 0.0078
Brunei_Dusun 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Brunei_Murut 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Bulgarian 0.4486 0.1434 0.0033 0.001 0.3243 0.0068 0.0633 0.0008 0 0.0031 0.0055
Burmese 0 0 0.3248 0 0 0.221 0 0 0.4463 0.0078 0
Burusho 0 0.1489 0 0 0.1266 0.4351 0.0091 0.2796 0 0.0006 0
Chuvashes 0.0364 0.0116 0.0029 0.0005 0.5762 0.003 0.054 0.1159 0.0369 0.0001 0.1625
Congo_pygmies 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Cossacks 0.2615 0.077 0 0.0008 0.5908 0.0179 0.0424 0 0.0096 0 0
Cossacks_Kuban 0.1633 0 0.0033 0 0.6724 0 0.1066 0.0489 0 0.0054 0
Croats 0.448 0 0.0079 0.0006 0.4749 0.0092 0.0576 0 0.0005 0.0014 0
Cypriot 0.4039 0.5663 0 0 0.023 0.0044 0 0 0.0023 0 0.0002
Czech 0.3169 0 0 0.0012 0.5056 0.0115 0.1634 0 0 0.0014 0
Druze 0.2514 0.6986 0.0007 0.0075 0.0234 0.008 0.0063 0.0042 0 0 0
Egyptian 0.232 0.6274 0.003 0.1322 0 0 0 0 0.0006 0.0049 0
English 0.1473 0.0556 0 0.0002 0.2368 0.0025 0.5509 0 0 0.0066 0
Esan 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Estonians 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0
Finnish 0.0616 0 0.0015 0.0013 0.6159 0.0006 0.2226 0.0179 0.0112 0.003 0.0643
French 0.2305 0.0523 0 0.0022 0.1701 0.0183 0.5243 0.0022 0 0 0
Germans 0.3098 0.025 0 0 0.3148 0.0123 0.3256 0.0103 0 0.0021 0
Greek 0.4659 0.2692 0 0.0029 0.1969 0.0068 0.0554 0.0007 0 0.0006 0.0015
GujaratiB 0.0056 0.1085 0.0059 0 0.121 0.726 0.0324 0.0003 0 0.0004 0
GujaratiC 0.0359 0.0415 0.0013 0 0.0672 0.8286 0.0233 0 0.001 0.0009 0.0003
GujaratiD 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
Hungarian 0.3897 0.0108 0.0002 0 0.5044 0.0045 0.0727 0 0 0.0035 0.0142
Icelandic 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0
India_Asur 0 0 0.1585 0 0 0.8139 0 0 0 0.0275 0
India_Gond 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
India_Gupta 0.0971 0 0 0 0 0.8742 0.0015 0 0 0.019 0.0081
India_Ho 0 0 0.3062 0 0 0.6422 0 0 0.0185 0.033 0
India_Kapu 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
India_Kol 0 0 0.0433 0 0.0093 0.9249 0.0164 0 0 0.0061 0
India_Kurmi 0.0088 0.0628 0.0254 0 0.0387 0.8616 0 0 0 0.0026 0
India_Marwadi 0.0646 0.0127 0.0049 0 0 0.885 0.0162 0 0 0 0.0165
India_Mpradesh 0.0036 0 0.1184 0 0 0.8468 0 0 0.0055 0.0159 0.0097
India_Orissa 0 0 0.0727 0.0009 0.0176 0.8078 0.0554 0 0 0.0179 0.0277
India_Santhal 0 0 0.1831 0.0036 0 0.7966 0 0 0 0.0155 0.0011
India_Thakur 0.0706 0.002 0 0 0.0931 0.8234 0 0 0.0108 0 0
Indian_Balija 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
Indonesia_Bajo 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Indonesia_Lebbo 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Iran_recent 0 0.8179 0 0 0.1065 0.0755 0 0 0 0 0
Iran_Zoroastrian 0 0.6821 0 0 0.1779 0.1399 0 0 0 0 0
Iranian 0 0.6807 0.0006 0 0.1396 0.119 0.0054 0.0531 0 0.0007 0.0008
Italian_North 0.4968 0.1219 0.0014 0 0.0493 0 0.325 0.0054 0 0 0
Italian_South 0.6901 0.198 0 0.0032 0.0669 0.0025 0.0352 0.0035 0.0002 0.0004 0.0001
Jew_Ashkenazi 0.3632 0.3926 0.0037 0.011 0.066 0 0.1497 0 0.0036 0.0023 0.0078
Jew_iraqi 0.148 0.8158 0.0008 0 0.0106 0.0245 0.0001 0 0.0001 0.0001 0
Jew_Libyan 0.3964 0.4976 0.003 0.0393 0 0 0.0606 0.0031 0 0 0
Jordanians 0.1799 0.7416 0.0067 0.0439 0.0096 0.0139 0 0 0 0.0017 0.0027
Kalash 0 0.2423 0 0 0.2448 0.4799 0 0.0329 0 0 0
Kalmyk 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.2501 0.5746 0 0.1752
Kosovo 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Kryashen_Tatars 0.1476 0.0478 0.0141 0.0012 0.5265 0.0103 0.0781 0.0181 0.0761 0.0043 0.0758
Kshatriya 0.0111 0.1447 0 0 0.159 0.6812 0 0 0 0 0.0039
Kumyks 0.0316 0.4655 0 0 0.3177 0.0618 0.0207 0.1027 0 0 0
Kurd_C 0 0.7381 0 0 0.1332 0.0814 0 0.0473 0 0 0
Kurd_F 0 0.7346 0 0 0.1333 0.1235 0.0057 0.0028 0 0 0.0001
Kurd_N 0.0272 0.7066 0 0 0.1693 0.077 0.0198 0 0 0 0
Kurd_SE 0 0.3785 0 0 0.152 0.3639 0 0.1056 0 0 0
Kyrgyz 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0
Latvians 0.07 0 0 0 0.8523 0 0.0626 0 0.0076 0.0044 0.003
Lezgins 0 0.5376 0 0 0.3554 0.0794 0.0024 0.025 0 0 0
Libyan 0.2556 0.5749 0.0005 0.1649 0 0 0 0 0.0034 0.0007 0
Lithuanians 0.1456 0 0.0121 0 0.8017 0 0.0394 0 0 0.0012 0
Macedonian 0.5618 0.0911 0.0008 0.0004 0.311 0.0053 0.0259 0.0003 0.001 0.0018 0.0005
Mbuti 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Mishar_Tatars 0.1172 0.0274 0.0048 0 0.5027 0 0.0687 0.2337 0 0.0031 0.0423
Moldavians 0.3973 0.1073 0.0091 0.0009 0.3861 0.0111 0.0584 0.0267 0 0.0032 0
Mongola 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0
Mongolians 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0
Montenegran 0.5636 0.0255 0.0018 0.0005 0.3761 0.0063 0.0189 0.0016 0.0039 0.0007 0.0011
Mordvins 0.1556 0 0.0094 0.0015 0.6984 0 0.0384 0.0178 0.0217 0.0052 0.0519
Moroccan 0.4574 0.2696 0 0.2717 0 0 0 0 0 0.0012 0
Nepal_Tamang 0 0 0.106 0 0 0.188 0 0 0.6818 0.0242 0
Nepali_Brahmin 0 0.1433 0.0108 0 0.1141 0.594 0.0253 0.1125 0 0 0
North_Ossetians 0.048 0.5331 0 0 0.1823 0.044 0.0342 0.1584 0 0 0
Norwegian 0.0416 0.0439 0.0001 0 0.3314 0.0046 0.5674 0 0.003 0.0035 0.0044
Orcadian 0.0537 0.0465 0.0053 0 0.236 0.0023 0.6538 0 0 0.0023 0
Palliyar 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0
Papua_Koinanbe 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0
Papua_Kosipe 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0
Pashtun_Afghan 0 0.3236 0 0 0.2270 0.3505 0.0004 0.0982 0 0.0002 0
Pathan 0 0.2581 0 0 0.1854 0.4785 0.0029 0.075 0 0 0
Poles 0.2212 0 0.004 0.0014 0.7209 0.0054 0.0449 0 0 0.0015 0.0007
Punjabi 0 0.1842 0.0002 0 0.1647 0.6029 0.0148 0.0323 0.0006 0.0002 0
Punjabi_PJL 0.0522 0.0267 0.0175 0.001 0.0261 0.8426 0.0247 0.0012 0.0023 0.002 0.0038
Russians_C 0.1893 0 0.0021 0 0.7028 0.0053 0.0393 0 0.024 0.0076 0.0295
Russians_N 0.04 0 0 0 0.6682 0 0.1608 0 0 0.0004 0.1305
Russians_W 0.117 0 0.0244 0 0.8099 0 0.0414 0 0.0042 0.0029 0
Sakha 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999
Sardinian 0.8256 0.0035 0 0.0001 0 0 0.1708 0 0 0 0
Saudi 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Scottish 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0
Serbian 0.478 0.0466 0.0035 0.0005 0.4127 0.0055 0.0431 0.0033 0.0028 0.0022 0.0016
Sicilian 0.44 0.3239 0 0.012 0.0111 0.0013 0.1965 0.0065 0.0052 0.0035 0
Sindhi 0 0.2296 0.0003 0 0.1401 0.6191 0 0.0096 0 0.0012 0
Somali 0 0.4441 0.0012 0.5535 0 0 0 0 0.0001 0.0008 0.0003
Spanish 0.439 0.0206 0 0.0133 0.0096 0.0014 0.5124 0.0032 0 0 0.0004
Spanish_N 0.3165 0.0046 0 0 0 0 0.6788 0 0 0 0
Steppe_IA 0 0 0 0 0.6847 0 0 0.3153 0 0 0
Stuttgart 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Swedes 0.0742 0.0029 0 0 0.4331 0.0085 0.459 0 0.019 0.0033 0
Tajik 0.005 0.2719 0.0011 0 0.2269 0.2005 0.0082 0.2758 0 0.0005 0.0102
Tajik_Ishkasim 0 0.1956 0 0 0.3042 0.3053 0.0155 0.1795 0 0 0
Tajik_Rushan 0 0.2802 0 0 0.3289 0.2288 0 0.162 0 0 0
Tajik_Shugnan 0 0.248 0 0 0.3383 0.2241 0 0.188 0 0.0015 0
Tajik_Yaghnobi 0 0.3464 0 0 0.3403 0.2086 0 0.1047 0 0 0
Tajiks 0 0.2865 0 0 0.1981 0.2114 0 0.3038 0 0 0
Tatars 0.0936 0.0449 0.0033 0.0003 0.4326 0.0098 0.1259 0.1251 0.0833 0.0012 0.0801
Tunisian 0.464 0.3155 0.006 0.2122 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0022
Turkish_Adana 0.1926 0.7247 0 0 0 0.0158 0.0669 0 0 0 0
Turkish_Balikesir 0.2977 0.2783 0 0 0.1354 0.0074 0 0.2812 0 0 0
Turkish_Kayseri 0.1471 0.5621 0 0 0.1206 0.0244 0 0.1439 0 0 0.0018
Turkmen 0 0.2728 0 0 0.1189 0.049 0.0134 0.3935 0.1355 0.0043 0.0125
Turkmens 0 0.2069 0 0 0.15 0.0048 0.0003 0.3659 0.2085 0.0037 0.0598
Tuvinians 0 0 0 0 0.0151 0 0 0.1768 0.4502 0.0031 0.3547
Udmurds 0 0.0059 0 0 0.5379 0.0129 0.0594 0.2141 0 0 0.1696
Ukrainians_east 0.2611 0 0.0049 0 0.6849 0 0.0306 0 0.0026 0.0118 0.0039
Ukrainians_north 0.2387 0 0 0.0037 0.7075 0 0.043 0 0 0.007 0.0001
Ukrainians_west 0.2867 0.0095 0.0019 0.0028 0.5671 0 0.1178 0.0001 0.0014 0.002 0.0107
Ust_Ishim 0 0.0279 0.1098 0.1367 0 0.3573 0.1447 0 0.1217 0.1019 0
Uygur 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0
Uzbek 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0
Loschbour 0 0 0 0 0.2713 0 0.7287 0 0 0 0
Yakuts 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.9999
Yemeni 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Yoruba 0 0 0 0.9999 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

Do you have csv spreadsheet file? So we can run nMonte.

[Turul Karom]

Do you have csv spreadsheet file? So we can run nMonte.

First link here:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?195528-How-T%FCrkic-are-you-Post-your-Turkic-K11-results

[Nanushka]

My Dodecad K7b results, they represent my Turkic heritage:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 West_Asian 47.36
2 Atlantic_Baltic 31.23
3 Southern 14.36
4 Siberian 3.82
5 South_Asian 3.16
6 African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 9.32
2 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 9.59
3 Adygei (HGDP) 9.99
4 Lezgins (Behar) 10.44
5 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 10.86
6 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 11.66
7 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 16.73
8 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.58
9 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 19.21
10 Turks (Behar) 20.03
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.7
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 22.7
13 Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) 23.89
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 23.89
15 Kurd (Dodecad) 24.33
16 Iranians (Behar) 25.35
17 Georgians (Behar) 26.48
18 Armenians (Behar) 28.1
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 28.47
20 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 28.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.54
2 86.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
3 86.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.6
4 84.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.67
5 85.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.84
6 84.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.89
7 84.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.9
8 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.93
9 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.94
10 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.96
11 76.7% Lezgins (Behar) + 23.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.98
12 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3
13 86% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.01
14 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 3.01
15 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British (Dodecad) @ 3.01
16 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.02
17 85.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.02
18 85.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 3.03
19 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.03
20 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.05

and my K12b results support it too:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.1
2 Gedrosia 25.16
3 North_European 24.33
4 Atlantic_Med 8.04
5 Siberian 3.05
6 Southwest_Asian 2.93
7 East_Asian 0.85
8 South_Asian 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Lezgins (Behar) 12.33
2 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 13.33
3 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 16.79
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.79
5 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.87
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 20.26
7 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 20.85
8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 20.95
9 Turks (Behar) 20.98

[Turul Karom]

My Dodecad K7b results, they represent my Turkic heritage:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 West_Asian 47.36
2 Atlantic_Baltic 31.23
3 Southern 14.36
4 Siberian 3.82
5 South_Asian 3.16
6 African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 9.32
2 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 9.59
3 Adygei (HGDP) 9.99
4 Lezgins (Behar) 10.44
5 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 10.86
6 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 11.66
7 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 16.73
8 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.58
9 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 19.21
10 Turks (Behar) 20.03
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.7
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 22.7
13 Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) 23.89
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 23.89
15 Kurd (Dodecad) 24.33
16 Iranians (Behar) 25.35
17 Georgians (Behar) 26.48
18 Armenians (Behar) 28.1
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 28.47
20 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 28.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.54
2 86.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
3 86.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.6
4 84.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.67
5 85.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.84
6 84.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.89
7 84.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.9
8 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.93
9 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.94
10 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.96
11 76.7% Lezgins (Behar) + 23.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.98
12 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3
13 86% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.01
14 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 3.01
15 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British (Dodecad) @ 3.01
16 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.02
17 85.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.02
18 85.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 3.03
19 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.03
20 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.05

and my K12b results support it too:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.1
2 Gedrosia 25.16
3 North_European 24.33
4 Atlantic_Med 8.04
5 Siberian 3.05
6 Southwest_Asian 2.93
7 East_Asian 0.85
8 South_Asian 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Lezgins (Behar) 12.33
2 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 13.33
3 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 16.79
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.79
5 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.87
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 20.26
7 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 20.85
8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 20.95
9 Turks (Behar) 20.98

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[steppenwolf]

My Dodecad K7b results, they represent my Turkic heritage:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 West_Asian 47.36
2 Atlantic_Baltic 31.23
3 Southern 14.36
4 Siberian 3.82
5 South_Asian 3.16
6 African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 9.32
2 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 9.59
3 Adygei (HGDP) 9.99
4 Lezgins (Behar) 10.44
5 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 10.86
6 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 11.66
7 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 16.73
8 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.58
9 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 19.21
10 Turks (Behar) 20.03
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.7
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 22.7
13 Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) 23.89
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 23.89
15 Kurd (Dodecad) 24.33
16 Iranians (Behar) 25.35
17 Georgians (Behar) 26.48
18 Armenians (Behar) 28.1
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 28.47
20 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 28.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.54
2 86.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
3 86.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.6
4 84.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.67
5 85.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.84
6 84.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.89
7 84.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.9
8 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.93
9 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.94
10 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.96
11 76.7% Lezgins (Behar) + 23.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.98
12 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3
13 86% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.01
14 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 3.01
15 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British (Dodecad) @ 3.01
16 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.02
17 85.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.02
18 85.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 3.03
19 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.03
20 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.05

and my K12b results support it too:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.1
2 Gedrosia 25.16
3 North_European 24.33
4 Atlantic_Med 8.04
5 Siberian 3.05
6 Southwest_Asian 2.93
7 East_Asian 0.85
8 South_Asian 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Lezgins (Behar) 12.33
2 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 13.33
3 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 16.79
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.79
5 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.87
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 20.26
7 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 20.85
8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 20.95
9 Turks (Behar) 20.98

You really seem to have kinship with Turkic peoples of northern Caucasus, but what more interesting is your northern European shift. It may even point to Avar-Slav-German relations of the past.

[Hadouken]

My Dodecad K7b results, they represent my Turkic heritage:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent

1 West_Asian 47.36
2 Atlantic_Baltic 31.23
3 Southern 14.36
4 Siberian 3.82
5 South_Asian 3.16
6 African 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 9.32
2 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 9.59
3 Adygei (HGDP) 9.99
4 Lezgins (Behar) 10.44
5 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 10.86
6 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 11.66
7 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 16.73
8 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.58
9 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 19.21
10 Turks (Behar) 20.03
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 20.7
12 Iranian (Dodecad) 22.7
13 Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) 23.89
14 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 23.89
15 Kurd (Dodecad) 24.33
16 Iranians (Behar) 25.35
17 Georgians (Behar) 26.48
18 Armenians (Behar) 28.1
19 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 28.47
20 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 28.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.1% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.9% Russian (HGDP) @ 2.54
2 86.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.2% FIN30 (1000Genomes) @ 2.56
3 86.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.1% Finnish (Dodecad) @ 2.6
4 84.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.7% Mordovians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.67
5 85.2% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 2.84
6 84.8% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.2% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 2.89
7 84.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 15.5% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.9
8 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.93
9 86.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 13.7% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.94
10 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.96
11 76.7% Lezgins (Behar) + 23.3% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.98
12 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 3
13 86% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14% Belorussian (Behar) @ 3.01
14 85.5% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.5% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 3.01
15 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British (Dodecad) @ 3.01
16 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 3.02
17 85.9% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.1% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 3.02
18 85.4% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.6% Pais_Vasco (1000Genomes) @ 3.03
19 85.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) + 14.3% Irish (Dodecad) @ 3.03
20 85.5% Lezgins (Behar) + 14.5% French_Basque (HGDP) @ 3.05

and my K12b results support it too:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 35.1
2 Gedrosia 25.16
3 North_European 24.33
4 Atlantic_Med 8.04
5 Siberian 3.05
6 Southwest_Asian 2.93
7 East_Asian 0.85
8 South_Asian 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 Lezgins (Behar) 12.33
2 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 13.33
3 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 16.79
4 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.79
5 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.87
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 20.26
7 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 20.85
8 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 20.95
9 Turks (Behar) 20.98

3.9 % east eurasian . congrats . turan !

I am kurdish and score only a little less east eurasian than you on those calcs . you turkicsts are funny people

[Leto]

3.9 % east eurasian . congrats . turan !

I am kurdish and score only a little less east eurasian than you on those calcs . you turkicsts are funny people
In Germany you sure look like an average Türke. They don't associate Turks with some mysterious Euro-Mongoloid Göktürks.

[Hadouken]

In Germany you sure look like an average Türke. They don't associate Turks with some mysterious Euro-Mongoloid Göktürks.

yeah of course . most germans take me as turk (but I most of the time correct them and say I am kurdish unless it is a quick thing . I always say I am kurdish) . many also take me as south euro though :D (yeah I know OMG how iz diz possible you fruitseller)

[Leto]

yeah of course . most germans take me as turk (but I most of the time correct them and say I am kurdish unless it is a quick thing . I always say I am kurdish) . many also take me as south euro though :D (yeah I know OMG how iz diz possible you fruitseller)
Lol. Well, South Europeans are also called Südländer. For example I know that Albanians are often lumped together with Turks and Arabs, maybe because they are mostly Muslims, come as refugees and behave in a similar way.

[Thracian]

3.9 % east eurasian . congrats . turan !

I am kurdish and score only a little less east eurasian than you on those calcs . you turkicsts are funny people

If so, you have at least one Turkish/Turkmen ancestor. Mine is 3.5% for both k7b and k12b.

[Hadouken]

If so, you have at least one Turkish/Turkmen ancestor. Mine is 3.5% for both k7b and k12b.

mine is 2.8 or so

I dont have any known turkish ancestor . maybe some mix from a long time ago or something . but even if ......turkishness is like a snowballeffect which has stretched from the altais to balkans through mixing and mixing and mixing

[Turul Karom]

3.9 % east eurasian . congrats . turan !

I am kurdish and score only a little less east eurasian than you on those calcs . you turkicsts are funny people

I believe you and I have had this talk more than once across this forum, and even in earlier in this thread. But in the case it has not been clear, and for those reading in a more present sense, I will clarify this again.

Ethnogenesis and meta-ethnicity pegged to merely what % of something you score, especially in this East Asian red herring sense. For example, both sides of this coin are largely used to discredit Hungarians from historically being in Europe or maintaining an independent nation. What some fail to understand is that these results illustrate that we still have the Eurasian genetics that connects us to our founders. The Turkic angle is not from a perspective of Eastern Asian stereotyping either. That is a cliché, and no academic takes that to heart.

The difference between a Turkic person having Turkic heritage and a non-Turkic person having Turkic heritage is twofold: One is their actual ethnicity and its ethnogenesis. Two is if they choose to embrace it. For example: Hungarians unified as Turkic peoples with a steppe Turkic culture during our ethnogenesis; our leadership had Turkic names, married other Turkic peoples (Cumans, Khazars, etc) and were identified correctly as such. People who are, say, Saudi or Yemeni, who would identify as Arab in a meta-identity sense, are not Turkic nor were they based on Turkic things during their ethnogenesis. If a Saudi person has a Turkic ancestor, it raises the question if they wish to embrace that in some way or not, which is personal and up to them. But if they are "Arab" ethnically, then they would simply be an Arab with Turkic influence. Magyars for example are Turkic peoples with European influence. To the eastern end, Uyghurs are a Turkic people but have a larger East Asian influence. It is about who we are when we became "us". Otherwise we may as well all be East Africans.

What this does is that it de-legitimizes Turkic independence by saying that you are not a Turk, or not even founded by Turks, but are a Turkified "x". This was actually Stears' old tactic, where he would always post genetic proximity spam, as though it would be somehow so shocking that Turkic groups who settled so far apart centuries later would bear genetic resemblances with their neighbors. The key is that we still carry the genetic continuity, which flies in the face of the often parroted statement of "population 'x' has nothing in common with Turkic peoples". Therefore not only are these genetics important, but also that it is incredibly laughable to think that all Turkic/Turanid people should ideally register as close to 100% East Asian DNA possible as a benchmark. The people that would are "Sinic" people, not Turkic people, and I can assure you most don't even know the hardships Turkics faced under the Chinese during the early stages of Turkic ethnogenesis.

In the words of Bilge Kağan:

"The whole of the common Turkic people said thus: 'I have been a nation that had its own kingdom; where is now my kingdom? For whom do I win the kingdoms? said they. I have been a people that had its own kagan; where is my kagan? Which kagan is it I serve?'"

[TheMaestro]

How does it feel glorifying foreign culture/ethnic when you are genetically central-european?

[Turul Karom]

How does it feel to glorifying foreign culture

https://i.imgur.com/p5LSv9U.jpg


glorifying foreign culture

https://i.imgur.com/1GiMVtV.jpg


foreign culture

https://i.imgur.com/qeWhOWj.jpg


foreign

https://i.imgur.com/sFkPWio.jpg


culture

https://i.imgur.com/MkBdVlz.jpg

[Jana]

From what I read in Hungarian and some foreign academics Sargat culture in SW Siberia is considered first Paleo-Ugric/ancient Magyar archeological site : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingala_Valley

[Ryuk]

From what I read in Hungarian and some foreign academics Sargat culture in SW Siberia is considered first Paleo-Ugric/ancient Magyar archeological site


In fact, sargath culture is more likely to be proto-Bulgaric than ugric.

There are many Bulgaric loanwords in Hungarian.Especially about agro-pastoralism.and with the end date of sargat culture and the migration of Bulgarians(Ogur) to Eastern Europe coincides with the same dates(400 AD).Considering that the PBT motherland is in western Siberia, it is most accurate opinion for me.

However,there was not enough genetic studies in western Siberia,and I'm just moving with paleolinguistics and history,so I can't be very persistent about it, but I would like you to keep this theory in your mind.

[Turul Karom]

From what I read in Hungarian and some foreign academics Sargat culture in SW Siberia is considered first Paleo-Ugric/ancient Magyar archeological site : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingala_Valley

Anything better than wikipedia? I have heard this statement before, but your wiki link doesn't even contain "magyar", mentions Hungarians once, but the source is a Russian language book from 2007 that is inaccessible. It's nearly as if they're trying to subtly throw the word "Hungarians" in. I will never understand why people use wikipedia as a primary source. At least checking the citations and finding it in the context of it would be helpful, but far too often they go to dead links or are otherwise inaccessible. You usually present a richer source when talking about DNA.

For every poorly sourced wiki article, we also have superior studies referencing past and present studies, such as this:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

https://i.imgur.com/s8CrqPy.png

Or this:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-016-1267-z

https://i.imgur.com/H4rzmrL.png

[TheMaestro]

Yeah you are posting some Turkic people who you are not? And inventions that you people didn't create, so what's you point? And those people up there in groups, Magyars are same like you :D Promoting Turkics relations while they have mostly Slavic/Germanic or Balkanic ancestry XD. It's like when British people would start to make Viking sessions and pretend that they are Dannish because they were conquered by barbars XD

[Turul Karom]

Yeah you are posting some Turkic people who you are not? And inventions that you people didn't create, so what's you point? And those people up there in groups, Magyars are same like you :D Promoting Turkics relations while they have mostly Slavic/Germanic or Balkanic ancestry XD. It's like when British people would start to make Viking sessions and pretend that they are Dannish because they were conquered by barbars XD

There is a deep irony that the posts directly above each of yours on this page addresses your statements in advance. Perhaps I am psychic.

[TheMaestro]

There is a deep irony that the posts directly above each of yours on this page addresses your statements in advance. Perhaps I am psychic.

Nope, those are just bullshit post created by pseudo-turanist. Do you look like a Turan? Neither your genetics show more than 10% of Turkic/Turanic genes, so tell me, I don't understand you. Those Turano-Turkic people who were in Hungary are dead already if they are alive maybe not even 5%, so tell me? Believe me, I wouldn't care, if it was true, but genetics just proved that modern Hungarians with people you are reffering to, if so only a very small amount.

[Jana]

Anything better than wikipedia? I have heard this statement before, but your wiki link doesn't even contain "magyar", mentions Hungarians once, but the source is a Russian language book from 2007 that is inaccessible. It's nearly as if they're trying to subtly throw the word "Hungarians" in. I will never understand why people use wikipedia as a primary source. At least checking the citations and finding it in the context of it would be helpful, but far too often they go to dead links or are otherwise inaccessible. You usually present a richer source when talking about DNA.

For every poorly sourced wiki article, we also have superior studies referencing past and present studies, such as this:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

https://i.imgur.com/s8CrqPy.png

Or this:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-016-1267-z

https://i.imgur.com/H4rzmrL.png

Actually I encoutered this hypotesis in several Hungarian sources but I am now on mobile and searching exact links is too complicated.

I dont think anyone disputes Magyars dwelt in Central Asia in one period of time and were culturally heavily influced by Turks, but I really dont believe they were originally Turkic. Here I support Stears view that they are Uralic people from Siberia that moved to steppe later and encountered Iranic and Turkic people there.

How do you comment oldest substrate in Hungarian language (for fishing hunting, stars and sky) is Ugric , not Turkic ?

I def. Support Ugric origins of proto Magyars but have no doubt Arpad conquerors had significant Turk, Aryan and probably Hun influences among them, possibly some other too.

[Turul Karom]

Nope, those are just bullshit post created by pseudo-turanist. Do you look like a Turan? Neither your genetics show more than 10% of Turkic/Turanic genes, so tell me, I don't understand you. Those Turano-Turkic people who were in Hungary are dead already if they are alive maybe not even 5%, so tell me? Believe me, I wouldn't care, if it was true, but genetics just proved that modern Hungarians with people you are reffering to, if so only a very small amount.

So the scientific studies are made by pseudo-turanists? Or the Crown? Want to tell me what a "Turkic gene" is? The %s don't count what a "Turkic gene" is and ascribe it to you, they correlate with populations as referenced a few pages ago. Perhaps you are one who thinks that a "True Turk" must look 100% pulled from the Korean peninsula?

[Turul Karom]

Actually I encoutered this hypotesis in several Hungarian sources but I am now on mobile and searching exact links is too complicated.

That's fine. What I am saying is that I have encountered this as well in Hungarian sources. My critique was about your specific source and using wikipedia in general. Makes sense?


I dont think anyone disputes Magyars dwelt in Central Asia in one period of time and were culturally heavily influced by Turks, but I really dont believe they were originally Turkic. Here I support Stears view that they are Uralic people from Siberia that moved to steppe later and encountered Iranic and Turkic people there.

I don't recall stears claiming that; I was under the impression he found us to be a more "Aryan" sort. The key to this question is this: when do you think that the "Magyars" became an ethnicity? We can talk about the proto-Magyars, and the proto-proto-Magyars, and the proto-proto-proto-Magyars all day. We can talk about the Ugrics, and Turkics, etc. But we became who we are today formally at Etelköz, with Turkic names, Turkic culture, and all those around us calling us Turkic people. We even absorbed other Turkic tribes into us, but then our Turkic heritage is swept under the rug? Do you think the Magyar kings had no idea that the crown said, "King of the Turks", or how they were addressed? These are all real questions, and I want to hear your thoughts on them.


How do you comment oldest substrate in Hungarian language (for fishing hunting, stars and sky) is Ugric , not Turkic ?

I def. Support Ugric origins of proto Magyars but have no doubt Arpad conquerors had significant Turk, Aryan and probably Hun influences among them, possibly some other too.

I have had this conversation with another here, which I will happily summarize for you. I have no doubt that Ugrics played a part in the Magyar language, or the ethnogenesis in the sense that Ugrics and proto-Ugrics were taken into the "tribes". As we moved further to the west, we adopted new genetic and linguistic layers over time. Our cultural foundation was very Turkic, and not Finnic at all, hence why we are not a "child system" of Baltic-Finnic languages, but are glued onto the end as "Ugric" by some. I have never said that Magyars do not have other genetic, linguistic, and cultural markers that are not Turkic oriented. What I object to is the almost fanatical denial that Turkic ancestry, culture, and the like played a pivotal role in our foundational structure. Surely you can acknowledge all of the absolutist statements about "nothing", "never", etc, that we have zero to do with other Turkic peoples are thrown around despite the insurmountable evidence to the contrary, hmm?

[Jana]

Well people who deny Turkic presence among Hungarians are dishonest. Just keep in mind I didnt say Finno-Ugric, just Ugric base IMO.

Finnic and Ugric people are separated by tousands of years so they should be treated separately. Ugrics who never moved south are Khanty and Mansi. Hungarians at Etelkoz had Turk influnces, that is pretty clear and they were part of Khazar area of influence. But yes, the most ancient base is Ugric in my view (and not only mine)

[Turul Karom]

Well people who deny Turkic presence among Hungarians are dishonest. Just keep in mind I didnt say Finno-Ugric, just Ugric base IMO.

Among us, but not simply "among" but as a part of us.


Finnic and Ugric people are separated by tousands of years so they should be treated separately. Ugrics who never moved south are Khanty and Mansi. Hungarians at Etelkoz had Turk influnces, that is pretty clear and they were part of Khazar area of influence. But yes, the most ancient base is Ugric in my view (and not only mine)

This does not really address my questions or the claims I was making. Hence, I always find it fascinating that when people talk about the "ancient layers" of Hungarians, they say it is Ugric, but they usually date it back before "Magyar" was even a word. That renders the entire argument ineffective, because why not just keep dating us back all the way into Africa? Why not argue that we are proto-Ethiopian? Why select just the "Ugrics" and not "Turkic" as well then? Turkics travel west, fuse Ugrics and some Slavs, and the Magyar tribes unify at Etelköz with a totally Turkic culture, religion, and personal naming structure, but we are going to date everything back in the direction of the Ugrics exclusively? How does that make any sense?

[Nanushka]

mine is 2.8 or so

I dont have any known turkish ancestor . maybe some mix from a long time ago or something . but even if ......turkishness is like a snowballeffect which has stretched from the altais to balkans through mixing and mixing and mixing

Being from Dersim, you should have some Turkish ancestry. Have you seen this earlier post of mine, about the Bektashi Yörüks conversion to Alevi in eastern Turkey after massacres towards them executed by Ottoman rule following their conquer of Hijaz? There is unquestionable Yörük/Oghuz mix with Kurdish people there because they mostly disguised under the kurdish identity. So most probably even you have some Turkish blood:

https://turkiye.net/yelpaze/konuk/hangi-osmanliyiz/

[oszkar07]

Among us, but not simply "among" but as a part of us.



This does not really address my questions or the claims I was making. Hence, I always find it fascinating that when people talk about the "ancient layers" of Hungarians, they say it is Ugric, but they usually date it back before "Magyar" was even a word. That renders the entire argument ineffective, because why not just keep dating us back all the way into Africa? Why not argue that we are proto-Ethiopian? Why select just the "Ugrics" and not "Turkic" as well then? Turkics travel west, fuse Ugrics and some Slavs, and the Magyar tribes unify at Etelköz with a totally Turkic culture, religion, and personal naming structure, but we are going to date everything back in the direction of the Ugrics exclusively? How does that make any sense?

How do we know that Magyar wasnt a word before Etelkoz ? How do we know that there wasnt already a group identity under that name that may have been Ugric or predominatly Ugric.

I am not denying Turkic input into the Hungarian ethnogenesis , but most linguists seem to agree that there is more words of Ugric origin than Turkic in Hungarian.

There certainly was a fusion between Turkics and Ugrics and others that were among those that became Hungarians.
But I personally believe that the idea of a dual conquest type theory is also n interesting and possible explanation for the Hungarian ethnogenesis.
Dual conquest theory considers the idea that Arpads people may have been a Turkic elite group and that they encountered the predominatly Ugric speaking Hungarians whom were already in the carpathian basin and whom were described by historical writers as being the last wave of Avars but were actually Ugric speakers whom came to the Carpathian basin in either the 8th or late 7th century and went on to mix with the already Avar-Slavo peoples whom were present in the region.

In any case I tend to believe that Hungarian was already spoken in the Carpathian basin before 895/896.

https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/fusac/index.php/fusac/article/view/7/17



That person was the above-mentioned Gyula László, an archaeologist, artist and university teacher. His archaeological researches led him to believe that Hungarians began arriving in the Carpathian Basin in late-Avar times,
probably in the 670s, with the rest of them coming at the end of the 9th century. His proposition became known as the “dual conquest” [kettős honfoglalás] theory of Hungarian origins (László 1978; Erdélyi 2013).

Late in his life, he amended his theory, arguing that most of the ancestors of the Hungarians had settled in the
Carpathian Basin in late-Avar times or even earlier, and the nomadic warriors who conquered that part of Europe at the end of the 9th century were predominantly Turkic-speakers (László 1997). Accordingly, the phrase “dual conquest” acquired a
new meaning.

In its new incarnation, the theory suggests that in the second half of the first millennium A.D., two important events took place in the Carpathian Basin that determined the course of Hungarian evolution.
The first of these was the arrival of the ancestors of the Hungarians, a development that established the demographic
basis of the future Magyar nation.
The second event was the conquest in 895 of the Hungarian homeland by a group of nomadic tribes — whose descendants later created a centralized feudal kingdom that still later evolved into the modern nation state of Hungary.

[Nanushka]

Among us, but not simply "among" but as a part of us.

This does not really address my questions or the claims I was making. Hence, I always find it fascinating that when people talk about the "ancient layers" of Hungarians, they say it is Ugric, but they usually date it back before "Magyar" was even a word. That renders the entire argument ineffective, because why not just keep dating us back all the way into Africa? Why not argue that we are proto-Ethiopian? Why select just the "Ugrics" and not "Turkic" as well then? Turkics travel west, fuse Ugrics and some Slavs, and the Magyar tribes unify at Etelköz with a totally Turkic culture, religion, and personal naming structure, but we are going to date everything back in the direction of the Ugrics exclusively? How does that make any sense?

Also, what is Ugric? I think this is another obscure matter to discuss. Osman Karatay asserts that Turkish main verb -bol/ol is very similar with Finnish -olla, Mansi/Vogul -ol, Votyak/Udmurt -val, Magyar -vol (and Avar -behol, my addition: ) He also adds Turkish has got firm historical and ongoing bonds & contacts with southern Finno-Ugric peoples, namely neighbours of the Tatar, Baskir and Chuvash, as well as they have more common vocabulary of this type. So he concludes that most probably proto-Turkish was closer to Finno-Ugric languages than any other language, and offers a new language classification (Iran and Turan, 2015)

[Nanushka]

How do we know that Magyar wasnt a word before Etelkoz ? How do we know that there wasnt already a group identity under that name that may have been Ugric or predominatly Ugric.

I am not denying Turkic input into the Hungarian ethnogenesis , but most linguists seem to agree that there is more words of Ugric origin than Turkic in Hungarian.

There certainly was a fusion between Turkics and Ugrics and others that were among those that became Hungarians.
But I personally believe that the idea of a dual conquest type theory is also n interesting and possible explanation for the Hungarian ethnogenesis.
Dual conquest theory considers the idea that Arpads people may have been a Turkic elite group and that they encountered the predominatly Ugric speaking Hungarians whom were already in the carpathian basin and whom were described by historical writers as being the last wave of Avars but were actually Ugric speakers whom came to the Carpathian basin in either the 8th or late 7th century and went on to mix with the already Avar-Slavo peoples whom were present in the region.

In any case I tend to believe that Hungarian was already spoken in the Carpathian basin before 895/896.

https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/fusac/index.php/fusac/article/view/7/17

^What do you think about the above claims, that Ugrics may already have a close connection with Turkish and Turkic peoples? As an Avar I can say that I have noticed some similar words between two languages, like csodör (hungarian stallion) = chou (avar horse) and Turul confirmed that to me, while especially 'magyar' itself has got a certain meaning in Avar language. I think this may result from living together in Lebedia region in northern Caucasia or maybe being from the same origin

[oszkar07]

^What do you think about the above claims, that Ugrics may already have a close connection with Turkish and Turkic peoples? As an Avar I can say that I have noticed some similar words between two languages, like csodör (hungarian stallion) = chou (avar horse) and Turul confirmed that to me, while especially 'magyar' itself has got a certain meaning in Avar language. I think this may result from living together in Lebedia region in northern Caucasia or maybe being from the same origin

I am open to studying more about it, cant say I know enough about this linguistic theory but sounds interesting.

I tend to think there was a connection between the Avar's and the early Magyar's but difficult to know the exact nature of this.
I think its quite possible they had some connections prior to being in Carpathian basin together, I also think its quite possible that part of the Avar people in the Carpathian basin whom were referred to as late Avar's were actually the Ugric speaking Magyar and that these people were already present before and when Arpad arrived.

[Jana]

How do we know that Magyar wasnt a word before Etelkoz ? How do we know that there wasnt already a group identity under that name that may have been Ugric or predominatly Ugric.

I am not denying Turkic input into the Hungarian ethnogenesis , but most linguists seem to agree that there is more words of Ugric origin than Turkic in Hungarian.

There certainly was a fusion between Turkics and Ugrics and others that were among those that became Hungarians.
But I personally believe that the idea of a dual conquest type theory is also n interesting and possible explanation for the Hungarian ethnogenesis.
Dual conquest theory considers the idea that Arpads people may have been a Turkic elite group and that they encountered the predominatly Ugric speaking Hungarians whom were already in the carpathian basin and whom were described by historical writers as being the last wave of Avars but were actually Ugric speakers whom came to the Carpathian basin in either the 8th or late 7th century and went on to mix with the already Avar-Slavo peoples whom were present in the region.

In any case I tend to believe that Hungarian was already spoken in the Carpathian basin before 895/896.

https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/fusac/index.php/fusac/article/view/7/17

Dual conquest theory is extremely intriguing and need to be researched more, possibly with archeogenetics !

[oszkar07]

Dual conquest theory is extremely intriguing and need to be researched more, possibly with archeogenetics !

I totally agree, but probably not an easy thing to do unless its privatly funded considering it challenges the traditional narrative.
Still in my oppinion the proponents of the Dual conquest theory raise some very good points , like the following ...



Today, the relevant writings of these people are never mentioned in the works of the defenders of historical orthodoxy, and the reading public of Hungary seems to know nothing about them.
The reason for this might be the fact that they published only in academic journals and books — and often in foreign
languages.
The most highly qualified of these people was the physical anthropologist Pál Lipták (1914-2000) of the University of Szeged. Through the study of the anatomy of the occupants of Conquest-era graves, Lipták came to the conclusion that
the majority of the nomadic warriors who conquered the Carpathian Basin at the end of the 9th century were anatomically different from the people who lived there at the time and — importantly — also from the vast majority of the people who lived there in subsequent centuries.

This fact suggested to Lipták that the majority of the conquerors of “895” fame were not Hungarians and that the real ancestors of the Magyars had settled in the Carpathian Basin in several waves, from the early 5th century on to the end of the 9th century, but especially during Avar times (Lipták 1980: 365-368; 1983: 160-162).

Lipták based his observation in part on the research of the Hungarian archaeologist Dezső Simonyi, who in the early 1980s postulated that the ancestors of Hungarians might have started to settle in the Carpathian Basin in the early 5th century (Simonyi 1981: 71-88).
Less than two decades after the publication of Lipták’s and Simonyi’s major works, another Hungarian critic of the orthodox theory of the “Hungarian conquest” published a monograph.
He was Gábor Vékony (1944-2004), who spent most of his career teaching at Eötvös Loránd University.
Vékony suggested that the ancestors of Hungarians arrived in the Carpathian Basin in the second half of the 7 th century,
but possibly as early as the 5th; and he went further to argue that the nomadic tribes that conquered the Carpathian Basin at the end of the 9th century probably spoke Turkic languages — which they lost when they were assimilated by the masses of
Hungarians they found living there (Vékony 2002: 219). Vékony’s book was received with a high degree of scepticism on the part of his fellow academics in Hungary.
Within a few years after the appearance of Vékony’s book, another work surfaced in Hungary that questioned the traditional interpretation of Hungarian ethnogenesis.
The book was by veteran scholar Péter Király (1918-2015), whose arguments against the traditional interpretation of the “Hungarian” conquest are based mainly on the study of medieval Central European written sources.
After studying the latter for many decades, Király came to the conclusion that the ancestors of the Hungarians probably started to settle in the Carpathian Basin at the end of the 6 th century.

Király even cites a pre-895 list of the members of a monastery in what is now eastern France, suggesting that Christian Hungarians from the Carpathian Basin were joining monastic houses in Western Europe long before Prince Árpád
and his warriors arrived in the Danube Basin (Király 2006: 156).
Király’s book was published by an obscure publishing house and did not seem to have created any
waves in academic circles.

The debate between the defenders of historical orthodoxy and those who question the idea that Hungarians arrived in the Carpathian Basin only at the end of the 9th century revolves around many issues, and in this short paper only a few of
these can be mentioned.

The most important of these is the question of relative numbers: the ratio of the newly-arrived to the autochthonous population.
Another issue is the ethnic identity of the conquerors: were they Hungarian-speakers or an ethnic group completely unrelated to Hungarians?
And the third critical question is whether a conquest similar to that described by the vast majority of historians in
Hungary has ever happened in any other land in Europe in the Middle Ages.

1. The question of relative numbers
This question is probably the most crucial issue of the debate at hand. If the nomadic tribes that conquered the Carpathian Basin at the end of the 9th century constituted a large multitude of people, and if the local population was small, then it is plausible that it was the conquerors who assimilated the locals.

However, if the conquerors were not a large mass and the locals outnumbered them by a considerable margin, then there can be little doubt that it was the autochthonous population that assimilated the newcomers.



Not surprisingly the members of the two historiographical schools dealing with this issue tend to provide numbers that support their respective theories.
Exact numbers are difficult to find, since during the Dark Ages there was no record keeping of any kind in the Carpathian Basin. The last censuses taken there were in Roman times, and they indicated that the part of the Basin that was administered by Rome was quite densely populated.
Not having any local data as guidance for the 9th century, historians have usually resorted to guessing the size of populations at the time.
Almost all the supporters of the traditional version of the conquest of Hungary have argued that the conquerors numbered many, 300 or even 500 thousand.
At the same time, they suggest that the autochthonous population could not have amounted to more than half this number.
In contrast to these speculations, László and the other “dissidents” have all argued that the Carpathian Basin’s original population far outnumbered the newcomers.

According to László, in some communities the ratio was one hundred to one in favour of the autochthonous population (Laszló 1997).
Historian Vékony, furthermore, had given this “100 to 1” ratio for the entire Carpathian Basin’s two populations: the locals vs. the newly-arrived conquerors (Vékony
2002: 219). Vámbéry gave an even lower estimate of the numbers of the conquerors than Vekony did (Vámbéry 1914: 59-65).
For estimating the size of the autochthonous population, historians have various methods.
By the 14th century, Hungary was a Christian kingdom where the church kept some records on the approximate membership of parishes and dioceses.
From such admittedly haphazard recordkeeping, as well as from the size of cemeteries, historians can calculate the size of the Carpathian Basin’s population of the times.
The growth rate of Christian Europe’s population of in the late medieval period is also known.
As a result, the population of the Carpathian Basin five centuries earlier can be estimated — even if only approximately.
Such calculations suggest that the size of this population was larger than the supporters of the orthodox theory of the Hungarian conquest would have us believe.

There is still another method of estimating the region’s population in the 10th century.
Historians have a fairly good idea of what the population was in various parts of Christian Europe.
It is known that the population of the lands that later became France was at least seven million — and that the population of the Italian peninsula was not much smaller.
Why would the Carpathian Basin, which was also blessed with a favourable climate and plentiful resources, have a much smaller population?
Some defenders of historical orthodoxy have suggested that most of the population of the Carpathian Basin was wiped out by the wars of the Carolingian Age.
Professor Teréz Olajos of the Universiy of Szeged, however, argued convincingly that there is no evidence that supports this view, in fact the Avar Age population of the Carpathian Basin survived into the 10th century (Olajos 2001: 50-
56).

2. The identity of the conquerors who came in 895
If the ancestors of the Hungarians were already living in the Carpathian Basin before 895 as the advocates of the dual conquest theory say, who then were the conquerors?
Anthropological examinations of the skeletal remains of individuals from 10th century graves, according to Lipták, suggest that the elite of post-conquest society in the Carpathian Basin was to a large degree different anatomically from the other
elements of society (Lipták 1983: 161).
This suggests that the conquerors, or at least most of them, belonged to a different ethnic group (or groups) than did the
Carpathian Basin’s subject population.

In recent years, evidence surfaced that reinforces this conclusion, and it came from the newly-emerged science of genetics, in particular three genetic studies that had been conducted by the Hungarian geneticist István Raskó and a team of experts.
Raskó’s team studied mitochondrial, Y-chromosomal, and autosomal DNA extracted from the skeletal remains of men and women — both members of the elite (the conquerors and their immediate descendants) and members of the subject
peoples — and DNA samples taken from present-day Hungarians living in Hungary and in the Hungarian-populated counties of Transylvania (Tömöry et al.2007; Csányi et al.2008; Nagy et al.2011).
All three of Raskó’s studies suggested that the conquerors of 895 were different genetically from both the subject peoples of 10th century Hungary and from the population living in Hungary today.
This fact indicates above all that the conquerors were small in numbers and could leave only minimal “genetic footprints” in
the post-conquest population of the Carpathian Basin.
As István Raskó remarked in a book he wrote about these studies: “the contribution of the conquerors to the genetic pool of present-day Hungarians [was] insignificant” (Raskó 2010, p. 158;
Dreisziger 2011).
Despite this statement, Raskó assumed that the conquerors spoke Hungarian and claimed that the pre-985 population of the Carpathian Basin “adopted [átvette]” the language of the conquerors.
This of course is inconceivable: in the Middle Ages all nomadic warrior tribes who conquered a region populated by settled
peoples became assimilated by the local population and not the other way around.


https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/fusac/index.php/fusac/article/view/7/17

Today in the world there is somewhere between 14 to 15 million Hungarian speakers.
It seems there must have been a significant amount of Hungarian speakers in contrast to non Hungarian speakers in the Carpathian basin for this to occur.
If the language givers were from the conquering Arpad people then we must assume they came in very large numbers and outnumbered the existing populations of the Carpathian basin.
But so far anthropological and genetic studies seem to suggest that the existing population outnumbered the conquerers.
So this begs the question , did the existing population already speak Hungarian when Arpad arrived.

[Turul Karom]

How do we know that Magyar wasnt a word before Etelkoz ? How do we know that there wasnt already a group identity under that name that may have been Ugric or predominatly Ugric.

I am not denying Turkic input into the Hungarian ethnogenesis , but most linguists seem to agree that there is more words of Ugric origin than Turkic in Hungarian.

There certainly was a fusion between Turkics and Ugrics and others that were among those that became Hungarians.
But I personally believe that the idea of a dual conquest type theory is also n interesting and possible explanation for the Hungarian ethnogenesis.
Dual conquest theory considers the idea that Arpads people may have been a Turkic elite group and that they encountered the predominatly Ugric speaking Hungarians whom were already in the carpathian basin and whom were described by historical writers as being the last wave of Avars but were actually Ugric speakers whom came to the Carpathian basin in either the 8th or late 7th century and went on to mix with the already Avar-Slavo peoples whom were present in the region.

In any case I tend to believe that Hungarian was already spoken in the Carpathian basin before 895/896.

https://journals.library.ualberta.ca/fusac/index.php/fusac/article/view/7/17

So do you believe that the dual conquest theory is "the" answer? Because if so, it only illustrates the further Turkic connectivity, as the Avars were a defacto Turkic people. The eastern magyars, who remained in Central Asia up until 1241 (Mongol Invasion caused their absorption/dispersal/destruction), have been in the Baskir region and were able to be communicated with by the Dominican Friar Julian (Julianus barát) 400 years after the conquest of the Carpathian.

The primacy of the input was Turkic, and this is culturally, ethnically and etymologically. Talking about the word for "magyar" and the names of the constituent tribes of the "magyars" before Etelköz makes it even easier to illustrate this primarily Turkic input. For example, the older "magyar" is "mogyer(i)/megyer(i)", of which "eri" is the old Turkic for "a man", such as in the Turkic word woods man, "ağaç eri". Berta Árpád, further expands on the Turkic etymology in his book Honfoglalás és nyelvészet.

But ok, let's talk about the names of the seven tribes now that made up our ancestors at Etelköz. They were all of Turkic origin: Kürt, Gyarmat, Tarján, Jenő, Kér, and Keszi. These were the seven "magyar" tribes, not counting the three fellow Turkic Khazar tribes that joined us.

http://www.karam.org.tr/Makaleler/520771897_eker.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/UOUgvL9.png

Pre-supposing that "magyar" is Ugric (which in and of itself is highly Turkic), these Turkic peoples would have greatly outnumbered any other meta ethnic in the Magyar confederation, genetically drifting as they all moved further west, and laying the factual basis for Turkic foundations of our people. This is why you see an appearance of more Slavic and Uralic words as well, correlating with tribal absorption and migration. Just as the DNA studies (posted earlier in a few pages back) show that we indeed have genetic continuity with the Magyars of the past, and that the Árpád dynasty had the same y-DNA as the Ottoman dynasty, so too trends language relationships illustrating the same connectivity. The Turkic input to Hungarian ethnogenesis is something that can not be denied by any, and now its primacy in said ethnogenesis is being increasingly recognized both in and out of academia. Turkic nations all over Eurasia recognize us as their own, as we recognize them as ours, and this semi-diasporic family will never forget one another.

[oszkar07]

So do you believe that the dual conquest theory is "the" answer? Because if so, it only illustrates the further Turkic connectivity, as the Avars were a defacto Turkic people. The eastern magyars, who remained in Central Asia up until 1241 (Mongol Invasion caused their absorption/dispersal/destruction), have been in the Baskir region and were able to be communicated with by the Dominican Friar Julian (Julianus barát) 400 years after the conquest of the Carpathian.

The primacy of the input was Turkic, and this is culturally, ethnically and etymologically. Talking about the word for "magyar" and the names of the constituent tribes of the "magyars" before Etelköz makes it even easier to illustrate this primarily Turkic input. For example, the older "magyar" is "mogyer(i)/megyer(i)", of which "eri" is the old Turkic for "a man", such as in the Turkic word woods man, "ağaç eri". Berta Árpád, further expands on the Turkic etymology in his book Honfoglalás és nyelvészet.

But ok, let's talk about the names of the seven tribes now that made up our ancestors at Etelköz. They were all of Turkic origin: Kürt, Gyarmat, Tarján, Jenő, Kér, and Keszi. These were the seven "magyar" tribes, not counting the three fellow Turkic Khazar tribes that joined us.

http://www.karam.org.tr/Makaleler/520771897_eker.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/UOUgvL9.png

Pre-supposing that "magyar" is Ugric (which in and of itself is highly Turkic), these Turkic peoples would have greatly outnumbered any other meta ethnic in the Magyar confederation, genetically drifting as they all moved further west, and laying the factual basis for Turkic foundations of our people. This is why you see an appearance of more Slavic and Uralic words as well, correlating with tribal absorption and migration. Just as the DNA studies (posted earlier in a few pages back) show that we indeed have genetic continuity with the Magyars of the past, and that the Árpád dynasty had the same y-DNA as the Ottoman dynasty, so too trends language relationships illustrating the same connectivity. The Turkic input to Hungarian ethnogenesis is something that can not be denied by any, and now its primacy in said ethnogenesis is being increasingly recognized both in and out of academia. Turkic nations all over Eurasia recognize us as their own, as we recognize them as ours, and this semi-diasporic family will never forget one another.

I feel that the dual conquest theory raises some very good points.
I agree that it should be further researched via archeogenetic research.
I am not here denying Turkic input, but I am not convinced that Turkic input was primary in terms of there being a group called Magyar whom were Turkic .
We just dont know in my oppinion if Magyar were primarily a Ugric group whom later encountered Turkics after they had been already a composite group for a length of time.Or whether they had Turkic input from early on in their formation.
I tend to think the conquering elite of the Arpad's were quite possibly Khazar's or Khazar and Magyar admixed.
But in any case the significance of Ugric/Uralic language in Hungarian has to be explained one way or the other.
I feel there could be something in the dual conquest theory, that somehow Uralic-Hungarian speakers arrived earlier during the Avar times. Did they arrive with earlier Bulgar incursions or were they simply mistaken for Avar's as they may have entered the region during the Avar migrations. Yes in that case most likely they were already affiliated with Turkic peoples.

[Jana]

It is indeed strange how Hungarian language survived if it arrived with conquerors who are already proven to be genetically far away from modern Hungarians, when Bulgar language disapeared among sea of Slavs and slavicized Thracians in modern age Bulgaria.
Story of Bulgar and Magyar conquest are fairly similar but with very different outcome - one lost their language and others have kept it.
But what if conquerors never spoke Hungarian language ?

In that case dual conquest story gives plausible explanation. Conquerors assmiliated in already present Ugric speaking majority of Carpathian Basin, but we would need concrete evidence for that which isn't there yet.

[Ayetooey]

Cool results bro.

[Turul Karom]

I feel that the dual conquest theory raises some very good points.
I agree that it should be further researched via archeogenetic research.
I am not here denying Turkic input, but I am not convinced that Turkic input was primary in terms of there being a group called Magyar whom were Turkic.

Let's use the best "least Turkic" approximation, which would be that the magyars were formed of six Turkic tribes (nine if you count the Kabars) and one fusion of Ugric-Turkic. How "Turkic does this sound?


We just dont know in my oppinion if Magyar were primarily a Ugric group whom later encountered Turkics after they had been already a composite group for a length of time.Or whether they had Turkic input from early on in their formation.

See the above for the obvious. There is more "Ugric" in this in the same way there is more "Uralic". It is a semantic, because academia already agrees on the defacto Turkic names, religious practices, government structure, etc.

Look at it from this perspective: you are arguing that a non-Turkic dominant people which formed the magyars lived a Turkic lifestyle, formed of tribes that were Turkic in etymology, behaved as Turks, were called Turks, practiced Tengrism, etc, were not a primarily Turkic people. Is this logical? How does it sound, you think, in light of the consensus-backed evidence I post throughout this thread and in general?


I tend to think the conquering elite of the Arpad's were quite possibly Khazar's or Khazar and Magyar admixed.

You have no proof of this outside of speculation (unless you didn't post it?), but if so, that would only make them more Turkic.


But in any case the significance of Ugric/Uralic language in Hungarian has to be explained one way or the other.

Which I have explained, many times, about migration and adoption of language and genetics. It's not a mystery.


I feel there could be something in the dual conquest theory, that somehow Uralic-Hungarian speakers arrived earlier during the Avar times. Did they arrive with earlier Bulgar incursions or were they simply mistaken for Avar's as they may have entered the region during the Avar migrations. Yes in that case most likely they were already affiliated with Turkic peoples.

The reason why the switch from Finno-Ugric or "Ugric" to Uralic is because no longer is it accurate to assign an ethnicity, but a region. The "Urals" is a place, not a people. Avars were Turkic, defacto. Magyars were primarily Turkic in origin, defacto. There is not a mountain of hidden evidence waiting in the wings to dispute this, because it doesn't exist. That's why even under the new attempts to define a "Uralic" group, suddenly the Anatolian Turks become linguistically related to us (Dr. Osman Karatay and others), because now we are defining regional dialects separated by proto-Turkic peoples. This is something I actually study actively.


It is indeed strange how Hungarian language survived if it arrived with conquerors who are already proven to be genetically far away from modern Hungarians, when Bulgar language disapeared among sea of Slavs and slavicized Thracians in modern age Bulgaria.
Story of Bulgar and Magyar conquest are fairly similar but with very different outcome - one lost their language and others have kept it.
But what if conquerors never spoke Hungarian language ?

In that case dual conquest story gives plausible explanation. Conquerors assmiliated in already present Ugric speaking majority of Carpathian Basin, but we would need concrete evidence for that which isn't there yet.

The reason why the evidence "isn't there" is because the version of the "dual conquest" you are talking about is perplexingly complex and convoluted. You are arguing that a Turkic people (at least we are defining the Magyars as Turkic now) conquering a Ugric group with no name (Avars.... who are Turkic? Others?) but then being absorbed by them in turn, while retaining the language and being called Turks? The reason why modern Hungarians are different from those arriving from Asia is because we have now been in Europe for 1000 years in a highly traveled and fought-over plain. This is not only logical, but obvious; the contention is that the genetic continuity is clearly there, and those who are our detractors wish us back to Asia or otherwise divided in Trianon 2.0 to neighbors, which I only say because it's talk like how you began your post that leads to that conclusion. Of course this won't ever happen, regardless of Turanic awareness levels in the country, as the information is too well known amongst Turkic peoples and archived in history, now further solidified thanks to the internet.

[Jana]

Dr. Osman Karatay is a alternate history ''scientist'' who claims Croats were Avars of Turk origins, when in fact Croats killed and enslaved Avars upon their arrival to Dalmatia :picard1:

There is no single linguist that classify Hungarian language as Turkic, it simply isn't. Khanty and Mansi are phonetically far closer to Hungarian than any Turkic language.
why are you mentioning politics ? One among several reasons Hungarian elite wanted connection with Turks are purely political - because of prestige of steppe Turks compared with domesticated Finno-Ugric peoples.

[Turul Karom]

Dr. Osman Karatay is a alternate history ''scientist'' who claims Croats were Avars of Turk origins, when in fact Croats killed and enslaved Avars upon their arrival to Dalmatia :picard1:

Oh? It wasn't a dual-conquest of Avars arriving to "Croats"? lol, joking, of course.


There is no single linguist that classify Hungarian language as Turkic, it simply isn't.

Demonstrably wrong.

https://i.imgur.com/qS6Z56o.jpg


Khanty and Mansi are phonetically far closer to Hungarian than any Turkic language.
why are you mentioning politics ? One among several reasons Hungarian elite wanted connection with Turks are purely political - because of prestige of steppe Turks compared with domesticated Finno-Ugric peoples.

How about you answer for the other questions I have posted above and on earlier pages back? Would you like them again?

As far as talking political, I am saying the inevitable conclusion of your words. But sure, if we are talking politics and prestige, I guess the Hungarians just asked the Latins and the Byzantines and the Muslim scholars to call them Turks, you know, for prestige. Since the concept of Finno-Ugric was a thing back then, and the crown which bears "King of the Turks" must have been a special request... or did our ancestors not even know what it said? What time period are you even talking about?

Also, as far as connections to "Turkic elite" (whatever that means) goes, the Magyar founding dynasty has already been proven related to that of the house of Osman. Any human can be "domesticated" or "wild", regardless of race or gender. I care little for those stereotypes and am unmotivated by such things. If my legacy was that of passive illiterate sweater knitters, then those would be my ancestors who made the genetic tapestry which led to me today.

[Jana]

If my legacy was that of passive illiterate sweater knitters, then those would be my ancestors who made the genetic tapestry which led to me today.

Do you embrace your German and Slavic ancestors too ? :) You are Magyar, but both these groups contributed to modern Hungarians genetically, any feelings about that ?

[IncelSlayer]

Not one hungarian today, is related with the original magyar tribes, that invaded the Carphatian Basin.Of course, hungarian government can't just make this public, because what nation is that, that speaks the language of a population, they are not related to at all?It would inevitably recede into chaos, as separatists would split the country in slavic,german,romanian,jewish,gypsy zones and most hungarians would join them, hungarian language would go extinct in maximum a decade.

[IncelSlayer]

Hungary's situation, from middle ages up to modern age, reminds me of the monkey ladder experiment, a never ending magyarization process , from Stephen I of Hungary to Present, a process done by native europeans to other native europeans.

1840s Lajos Kossuth pleaded in the newspaper Pesti Hirlap for rapid Magyarization: "Let us hurry, let us hurry to Magyarize the Croats, the Romanians, and the Saxons, for otherwise we shall perish".

https://i.imgur.com/7TtCHrt.jpg

[oszkar07]

Let's use the best "least Turkic" approximation, which would be that the magyars were formed of six Turkic tribes (nine if you count the Kabars) and one fusion of Ugric-Turkic. How "Turkic does this sound?

You are calling them 6 Turkic tribes , that is not actual proof that they were Turkic.
I have seen other writers divide them between Turkic and Ugric.

Regarding the Magyar tribe and all the alternate spellings , there are many theories and ideas about their origins.
Again the idea of the Turkic spelling at the end is also just a theory , it isnt proof.


See the above for the obvious. There is more "Ugric" in this in the same way there is more "Uralic". It is a semantic, because academia already agrees on the defacto Turkic names, religious practices, government structure, etc.

Actually I think academia does not all agree, and does not all hold your specific view, eg all 6 to 9 tribes were Turkic, again this is a theory that not all Hungarian historians or academics agree upon.


Look at it from this perspective: you are arguing that a non-Turkic dominant people which formed the magyars lived a Turkic lifestyle, formed of tribes that were Turkic in etymology, behaved as Turks, were called Turks, practiced Tengrism, etc, were not a primarily Turkic people. Is this logical? How does it sound, you think, in light of the consensus-backed evidence I post throughout this thread and in general?

You are over simplyfying what is likely a more complicated series of events and ethnogenesis.
Your main agenda seems to be to say that Hungarians are a Turkic people and to refute any other possible dominant or primary identities.
Is it logical that most Turkic people speak Turkic languages but Hungarians are supposedly Turkic but speak a non Turkic language. Oh wait but Ugric is really Turkic , right ?

The words for Horse and Arrow in Hungarian are not Turkic even though Hungarians were known famously for their Horse riding and archery.


Which I have explained, many times, about migration and adoption of language and genetics. It's not a mystery.

Your explanation has not really been an explanation.
As you seem to have previously put this down to the westward drift of the Hungarians, you had included some selective commentary from RonaTas but it wasnt really an explanation of the significant Ugric origin words in Hungarian.
But most likely you are not really interested in the Ugric linguistics of Hungarian so I doubt you dwell on it or study it for any length of time and this is also apparent in you tendancy to dismiss it as being just something that happened because of the westward drift of the Hungarians.


The reason why the evidence "isn't there" is because the version of the "dual conquest" you are talking about is perplexingly complex and convoluted. You are arguing that a Turkic people (at least we are defining the Magyars as Turkic now) conquering a Ugric group with no name (Avars.... who are Turkic? Others?) but then being absorbed by them in turn, while retaining the language and being called Turks? The reason why modern Hungarians are different from those arriving from Asia is because we have now been in Europe for 1000 years in a highly traveled and fought-over plain. This is not only logical, but obvious; the contention is that the genetic continuity is clearly there, and those who are our detractors wish us back to Asia or otherwise divided in Trianon 2.0 to neighbors, which I only say because it's talk like how you began your post that leads to that conclusion. Of course this won't ever happen, regardless of Turanic awareness levels in the country, as the information is too well known amongst Turkic peoples and archived in history, now further solidified thanks to the internet.

Your above commentary doesnt take into account that there was a difference between conqueror people and autochenous people and that it appears that autochenous people outnumbered the conquerors.
If that was the case the same as it was with the Bulgars whom now speak Slavic.
Then how could a smaller number of conquerors linguistically Hungarianise a larger number of autochenous people.

[Nanushka]

Dr. Osman Karatay is a alternate history ''scientist'' who claims Croats were Avars of Turk origins, when in fact Croats killed and enslaved Avars upon their arrival to Dalmatia :picard1:

The truth is other way around, and anyone who studies history a little knows about that. Avars brought Slavs from northern swamps to serve themselves, they were only subjects of Avars, they were by no means Avars. In time they outnumbered Avars and they mixed toghether, giving rise to new communities in central-east Europe and Balkans. You can read some little info about how Avars made an impact and reshaped Europe here:
https://www.ancient.eu/Avars/

''Peter Heather writes:

There is every reason to suppose that [the Avar Empire's system of government] had the political effect of cementing the social power of chosen subordinates, further pushing at least their Slavic subjects in the direction of political consolidation [and to] both prompt and enable a wider Slavic diaspora, as some Slavic groups moved further afield to escape the burden of Avar domination. Large-scale Slavic settlement in the former east Roman Balkans - as opposed to mere raiding - only became possible when the Avar Empire (in combination with the Persian and then Arab conquests) destroyed Constantinople's military superiority in the region (608).''


There is no single linguist that classify Hungarian language as Turkic, it simply isn't. Khanty and Mansi are phonetically far closer to Hungarian than any Turkic language.

Oh in the light of new research, I can say that Ugric languages were no different than Turkic languages before they split and went into different directions and locations. The nature of the two supposed-groups (Uralic-Altaic) reflects this, they were one once and they naturally distinguished from each other when the tribes settled in different geographies. Languages differ easily, and we are talking about a time span of at least 2000+ years

[Carpatz]

Hungary's situation, from middle ages up to modern age, reminds me of the monkey ladder experiment, a never ending magyarization process , from Stephen I of Hungary to Present, a process done by native europeans to other native europeans.

1840s Lajos Kossuth pleaded in the newspaper Pesti Hirlap for rapid Magyarization: "Let us hurry, let us hurry to Magyarize the Croats, the Romanians, and the Saxons, for otherwise we shall perish".

It's nice to see the truth coming from an actual Hungarian

[Nanushka]

It's nice to see the truth coming from an actual Hungarian

'actual' Hungarian and 'truth' according to who and what? lol I think you need to explain

[Jana]

Minority can spread their language to majority only if it is culturally superior and with organised adminstration like Roman Empire had. In case of primitive tribes it is impossible without large scale migration.

[Carpatz]

Minority can spread their language to majority only if it is culturally superior and with organised adminstration like Roman Empire had. In case of primitive tribes it is impossible without large scale migration.

This is not always the case. The Turks who conquered Byzantine Anatolia were culturally inferior in every way possible, yet they successfully imposed their language on the majority of the native populace.

[Jana]

The truth is other way around, and anyone who studies history a little knows about that. Avars brought Slavs from northern swamps to serve themselves, they were only subjects of Avars, they were by no means Avars. In time they outnumbered Avars and they mixed toghether, giving rise to new communities in central-east Europe and Balkans. You can read some little info about how Avars made an impact and reshaped Europe here:
https://www.ancient.eu/Avars/

''Peter Heather writes:

There is every reason to suppose that [the Avar Empire's system of government] had the political effect of cementing the social power of chosen subordinates, further pushing at least their Slavic subjects in the direction of political consolidation [and to] both prompt and enable a wider Slavic diaspora, as some Slavic groups moved further afield to escape the burden of Avar domination. Large-scale Slavic settlement in the former east Roman Balkans - as opposed to mere raiding - only became possible when the Avar Empire (in combination with the Persian and then Arab conquests) destroyed Constantinople's military superiority in the region (608).''

What you don't know is that there were at least two, if not more, migratory waves of Slavs to the Balkans. First wave was led by Avars (and numerous Slavs became culturally Avar as we have seen with elite burial Avar samples that cluster with modern day Poles and Ukrainians), but White Croats migration was second wave from Central Europe, that came to territory inhabited by Avaro-Slavs and made them their subjects. We have Byzantine Emperor cronicles about that :

“But the Croats at that time were dwelling beyond Bavaria, where the Belocroats are now. From them split off a family of five brothers, Kloukas and Lobelos and Kosentzis and Mouchlo and Chrobatos, and two sisters, Touga and Bouga, who came with their folk to Dalmatia and found the Avars in possession of that land. After they had fought one another for some years, the Croats prevailed and killed some of the Avars and the remainder they compelled to be subject to them.And so from that time this land was possessed by the Croats, and there are still in Croatia some who are of Avar descent and are recognized as Avars.



Oh in the light of new research, I can say that Ugric languages were no different than Turkic languages before they split and went into different directions and locations. The nature of the two supposed-groups (Uralic-Altaic) reflects this, they were one once and they naturally distinguished from each other when the tribes settled in different geographies. Languages differ easily, and we are talking about a time span of at least 2000+ years

Ural–Altaic, Uralo-Altaic or Uraltaic, also known as Turanian, is an obsolete language-family proposal uniting the Uralic and the widely discredited Altaic languages.

Originally suggested in the 18th century, the hypothesis remained debated into the mid-20th century, often with disagreements exacerbated by pan-nationalist agendas. It had many proponents in Britain. Since the 1960s, the hypothesis has been widely rejected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural%E2%80%93Altaic_languages

[Jana]

This is not always the case. The Turks who conquered Byzantine Anatolia were culturally inferior in every way possible, yet they successfully imposed their language on the majority of the native populace.

Anatolian Turks have significant Oghuz-Iranic admixture, that is why they get Cypriot/Jew/insert East Med population here + Turkmen 50/50 on mixed mode Oracles. It means Turkic tribal migration to Byzantine Empire was massive.

[Turul Karom]

Do you embrace your German and Slavic ancestors too ? :) You are Magyar, but both these groups contributed to modern Hungarians genetically, any feelings about that ?

Oh, see what your song has summoned? The trolling detractors have come out to play, haha. Regardless, see my responses to Hadouken in this thread regarding the legacy. Also, you haven't been answering my questions in several posts. Is there a reason why? You are usually more accommodating.


Not one hungarian today, is related with the original magyar tribes, that invaded the Carphatian Basin.Of course, hungarian government can't just make this public, because what nation is that, that speaks the language of a population, they are not related to at all?It would inevitably recede into chaos, as separatists would split the country in slavic,german,romanian,jewish,gypsy zones and most hungarians would join them, hungarian language would go extinct in maximum a decade.

https://i.imgur.com/H4rzmrL.png

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12520-018-0609-7

https://i.imgur.com/s8CrqPy.png

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-016-1267-z


You are calling them 6 Turkic tribes , that is not actual proof that they were Turkic.
I have seen other writers divide them between Turkic and Ugric.

Did you not read the rest of my posts in this thread? I hate to say it, but I think you are either missing posts or ignoring key points. I fully understand your argument, but it seems like you cannot rephrase my own back to me. I have a postulated language tree that postulates the existence of Uralo-Yukaghir language family. What does that do to disprove any of the scientific consensus papers I have posted which can be independently verified by anyone willing to run the DNA and other studies?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Uralic-Yukaghir_languages.svg/400px-Uralic-Yukaghir_languages.svg.png


Regarding the Magyar tribe and all the alternate spellings , there are many theories and ideas about their origins.
Again the idea of the Turkic spelling at the end is also just a theory , it isnt proof.

Has more support than the others, and the names of the other six tribes being Turkic is supported by members of the Academy as well as scholars abroad.


Actually I think academia does not all agree, and does not all hold your specific view, eg all 6 to 9 tribes were Turkic, again this is a theory that not all Hungarian historians or academics agree upon.

What view is it that contests it? I have shared both Turkish papers and Hungarian papers from mainstream academia stating it. Show me the contrary, and I will read it. Unless you don't have anything, and simply choose to not believe it?


You are over simplyfying what is likely a more complicated series of events and ethnogenesis.
Your main agenda seems to be to say that Hungarians are a Turkic people and to refute any other possible dominant or primary identities.
Is it logical that most Turkic people speak Turkic languages but Hungarians are supposedly Turkic but speak a non Turkic language. Oh wait but Ugric is really Turkic , right ?

I will be willing to hear any logical counterpoint, but I keep waiting for that mountain of non-Turkic cultural and heritage evidence to fall out of thin air. At this point, you might argue the Ugrics are any other ethnicity.


The words for Horse and Arrow in Hungarian are not Turkic even though Hungarians were known famously for their Horse riding and archery.

See Buusra's posts earlier about Avar and Magyar linguistic similarities about this very thing. She quoted you on this, I believe.


Your explanation has not really been an explanation.
As you seem to have previously put this down to the westward drift of the Hungarians, you had included some selective commentary from RonaTas but it wasnt really an explanation of the significant Ugric origin words in Hungarian.
But most likely you are not really interested in the Ugric linguistics of Hungarian so I doubt you dwell on it or study it for any length of time and this is also apparent in you tendancy to dismiss it as being just something that happened because of the westward drift of the Hungarians.

When did I quote him here? Also the reason being that Ugrics are in the middle of all of this is because it is a controversial group in and of itself. Even the most cursory of searches results in several different language trees being tacked together with the ubiquitous "-" containing Ugric on one side or the other.


Your above commentary doesnt take into account that there was a difference between conqueror people and autochenous people and that it appears that autochenous people outnumbered the conquerors.
If that was the case the same as it was with the Bulgars whom now speak Slavic.
Then how could a smaller number of conquerors linguistically Hungarianise a larger number of autochenous people.

That is the entire point. This has been addressed not only here, but in other threads multiple times. What exactly is the sticking point? The Magyars who arrived populated the Carpathian basin are either your relatives, or are your "Hungarian" ancestors just that in name only and you concur with our current resident troll that you harbor no connections to Central Asia, despite your several autosomal and GEDmatch calculators? The arrival of the Hungarians have been spun (not only by you, but others as well) as an arrival of Ugric people, as Turkic elite leading Ugric minority, as a Turkic group conquering a non-Turkic majority, as a Turkic speaking but non-Turkic elite arriving and just transferring the language (also illustrated by the monkey-beating-monkey example in the image a few posts above).....which is it going to be tomorrow? I am one of the few who takes the time to actually post studies, links, and images that can be properly and independently verified, but in return, I must verify your points with "I've heard that..." or "I've seen that..." but nothing else? Or the equivalent of "google it" because I must not have ever seen these mainstream challenges against the Turkic facts? If it is your theory, it is your burden to convince me of it. If you don't want to, that's fine, because it's not going to change my mind, but it also doesn't help the conversation progress either.


It's nice to see the truth coming from an actual Hungarian

lol, he is trolling and taking the fatalistic position that "Hungarians are not Hungarians" to the only logical conclusion.

[Leto]

4 Siberian 0.78
5 East_Asian 0.62
1.4% Mongoloid, 98.6% Europoid, you are definitely Turkic :thumb001: :lol:

[Turul Karom]

1.4% Mongoloid, 98.6% Europoid, you are definitely Turkic :thumb001: :lol:

Turkic peoples never had "100% Mongoloid" genetics in the first place. That's part of a stereotype. Also, you are quoting only one calculator.

[Leto]

Turkic peoples never had "100% Mongoloid" genetics in the first place. That's part of a stereotype. Also, you are quoting only one calculator.
Neither were they 98% European. That calculator is enough to see how much Mongoloid you are. Hungary is a Christian Central-East European nation, mainly a mix of Slavs, Germanic and Balkan peoples + some minor Ugric/Uralic influence. But for cryin' out loud, not even your language is Turkic. The Gagauz at least speak a variety of Oghuz unlike the Hungarians.

[Turul Karom]

Neither were they 98% European. That calculator is enough to see how much Mongoloid you are. Hungary is a Christian Central-East European nation, mainly a mix of Slavs, Germanic and Balkan peoples + some minor Ugric/Uralic influence. But for cryin' out loud, not even your language is Turkic. The Gagauz at least speak a variety of Oghuz unlike the Hungarians.

Sounds like you're just picking one and trying to make it suit your interests. You're still falling for the "Mongoloid" trope, and I doubt you are looking at the populations. The religious demographics or the geographical location of Hungary has nothing to do even with the point you are trying to make. Turkey is majority Islamic. They must be Arabs, right? They are located in Anatolia and have been for centuries. They must be Byzantines, right?

This is another classic case of someone who didn't (or won't) read the thread. I'd suggest at least page 17 onward or so. Each Turkic study just reveals all the more facts for those who were previously unaware.

[Leto]

Sounds like you're just picking one and trying to make it suit your interests. You're still falling for the "Mongoloid" trope, and I doubt you are looking at the populations. The religious demographics or the geographical location of Hungary has nothing to do even with the point you are trying to make. Turkey is majority Islamic. They must be Arabs, right? They are located in Anatolia and have been for centuries. They must be Byzantines, right?

This is another classic case of someone who didn't (or won't) read the thread. I'd suggest at least page 17 onward or so. Each Turkic study just reveals all the more facts for those who were previously unaware.
Well, I am certainly not a expert, but what makes a people Turkic if it is neither a genetic, nor a cultural, nor a linguistic category?

[Impaler]

1.4% Mongoloid, 98.6% Europoid, you are definitely Turkic :thumb001: :lol:

On this calculator I have Siberian 1.52 and East_Asian 0.83. In total I have 2.35% Mongoloid. Do you think it's higher for a typical Romanian? :)

[Kamal900]

On this calculator I have Siberian 1.52 and East_Asian 0.83. In total I have 2.35% Mongoloid. Do you think it's higher for a typical Romanian? :)

Saya looks Turanid influenced and she's Romanian. I guess you're either descended from the ancient Turkic peoples like the Cumans or from the Tatars that had settled in Romania.

[Turul Karom]

On this calculator I have Siberian 1.52 and East_Asian 0.83. In total I have 2.35% Mongoloid. Do you think it's higher for a typical Romanian? :)

I wouldn't worry about how it compares until I was aware of the averages for Romanians. Romania had Turkic influence in their foundation. This includes genetic input. You could have one of a many Turkic ancestors. Magyars, Cumans, Pechenegs, etc. At some point things get speculative without a paper trail to help. That's why further genetic testing is always a good thing, along with archeological research. Your interest in Hungarian connections is always appreciated. Hope you've been doing well.

[Impaler]

I wouldn't worry about how it compares until I was aware of the averages for Romanians. Romania had Turkic influence in their foundation. This includes genetic input. You could have one of a many Turkic ancestors. Magyars, Cumans, Pechenegs, etc. At some point things get speculative without a paper trail to help. That's why further genetic testing is always a good thing, along with archeological research. Your interest in Hungarian connections is always appreciated. Hope you've been doing well.

Yes, my friend, all is good here. Thanks again for your help. Yes, I guess I have some Cuman/Gagauz/Magyar ancestry. That's for sure. Cheers!

[Turul Karom]

Yes, my friend, all is good here. Thanks again for your help. Yes, I guess I have some Cuman/Gagauz/Magyar ancestry. That's for sure. Cheers!

That's why I thought based on your father's side (I believe it was) phenotype, name and ancestry it could be most likely Hungarian. But it could be a variety of ancestries contributing as well. Hope you are enjoying your family too. Cheers!

[Leto]

On this calculator I have Siberian 1.52 and East_Asian 0.83. In total I have 2.35% Mongoloid. Do you think it's higher for a typical Romanian? :)
Well, 2-3% is okay for Romania as far as know. It's your South Asian percentage that is atypical (no offense, I'm simply commenting on what's real, not making anything up). Order a FamilyFinder and we'll see. You asked me some questions in PM like do I have this ancestry, do I have that ancestry, etc. but I honestly don't know what else to say.

[Impaler]

Well, 2-3% is okay for Romania as far as know. It's your South Asian percentage that is atypical (no offense, I'm simply commenting on what's real, not making anything up). Order a FamilyFinder and we'll see. You asked me some questions in PM like do I have this ancestry, do I have that ancestry, etc. but I honestly don't know what else to say.

Yes, the next DNA test and the last one will be FTDNA. I want to see if GEDmatch would be different or not.

[Leto]

Yes, the next DNA test and the last one will be FTDNA. I want to see if GEDmatch would be different or not.
ayetooey did 23andme and Ancestry and his South Asian percentage differs by about 1 percent.

[Kaspias]

Yes, the next DNA test and the last one will be FTDNA. I want to see if GEDmatch would be different or not.

You shouldn't waste your money for FTDNA. There will be maximum ~1% difference.

[Impaler]

You shouldn't waste your money for FTDNA. There will be maximum ~1% difference.

Then is better Ancestry?

[Kaspias]

Then is better Ancestry?

For Gedmatch, perhaps FTDNA better. But your results couldn't change more than ~1%. For company results, of course Ancestry is better.

[Impaler]

For Gedmatch, perhaps FTDNA better. But your results couldn't change more than ~1%. For company results, of course Ancestry is better.

Yes, I am interested more on GEDmatch. I will do another test, the last one. What do you recommend me?

[Kaspias]

Yes, I am interested more on GEDmatch. I will do another test, the last one. What do you recommend me?

23andme and ancestry are best companies. Livingdna could be interesting too.

[Leto]

Yes, I am interested more on GEDmatch. I will do another test, the last one. What do you recommend me?
Ancestry doesn't ship to Romania as far as I know. It's for English-speaking countries mainly. FTDNA is fine for GEDmatch, MyHeritage too.

[steppenwolf]

Your above commentary doesnt take into account that there was a difference between conqueror people and autochenous people and that it appears that autochenous people outnumbered the conquerors.
If that was the case the same as it was with the Bulgars whom now speak Slavic.
Then how could a smaller number of conquerors linguistically Hungarianise a larger number of autochenous people.

Apprently when he conquerers arrived they found some peoples who already spoke the same language with them, like the Avar, but their Ugric speaking people outnumbered and replaced their language. There may be a relation between Ugrics and Turkics but I didn't see an evidence regarding this yet.

[Nanushka]

What you don't know is that there were at least two, if not more, migratory waves of Slavs to the Balkans. First wave was led by Avars (and numerous Slavs became culturally Avar as we have seen with elite burial Avar samples that cluster with modern day Poles and Ukrainians), but White Croats migration was second wave from Central Europe, that came to territory inhabited by Avaro-Slavs and made them their subjects. We have Byzantine Emperor cronicles about that:

I know the said part in De Administrando Imperio and how Croats killed some of Avars but this doesnt mean anything because after decades spent together Avars taught underdeveloped slavics about their political and military systems as well as technology that they had. Also at that time they were outnumbered by crowded slavic masses and already mixed together with them up to some extent. So I was talking about the ‘real nature’ of two peoples actually. I assume you have noticed that it mentions Hungarians as Turks in that part


Ural–Altaic, Uralo-Altaic or Uraltaic, also known as Turanian, is an obsolete language-family proposal uniting the Uralic and the widely discredited Altaic languages.

Originally suggested in the 18th century, the hypothesis remained debated into the mid-20th century, often with disagreements exacerbated by pan-nationalist agendas. It had many proponents in Britain. Since the 1960s, the hypothesis has been widely rejected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural%E2%80%93Altaic_languages

Thats why I deliberately wrote ‘supposed’ goups of languages up there. Altaic language familly is discredited mostly because Turkic languages are found to be closer to Uralics and sane academicians are in search of a new language family regarding this

[Jana]

Avars taught underdeveloped slavics about their political and military systems as well as technology that they had. Also at that time they were outnumbered by crowded slavic masses and already mixed together with them up to some extent. So I was talking about the ‘real nature’ of two peoples actually. I assume you have noticed that it mentions Hungarians as Turks in that part

I noticed. Steppe Aryans (Indo-Iranics) tought underdeveloped Turks everything too, all Turkic titles including name ''Turan'' come from Iranics, so they just transmitted knowledge from them to Slavs :D

[Nanushka]

I noticed. Steppe Aryans (Indo-Iranics) tought underdeveloped Turks everything too, all Turkic titles including name ''Turan'' come from Iranics, so they just transmitted knowledge from them to Slavs :D

Show me one single trustworthy source for the existence of those lovely, developed Aryans(!) please :)

[Mingle]

Thats why I deliberately wrote ‘supposed’ goups of languages up there. Altaic language familly is discredited mostly because Turkic languages are found to be closer to Uralics and sane academicians are in search of a new language family regarding this

Lol, the whole idea behind the Altaic language family was that Turkic and Uralic languages are closely together. It got discredited specifically because they were found to not be closely related.

[steppenwolf]

Don't quarrel ladies, you may be even relatives. The Avar girl has significant Polish, Ukranian and Russian connection too even though normally she clusters with northern Caucasians. So this means she is righteously descendant of Avars vanished among slavic tribes. Actually I am curious about it but better ask her more over PMs.

[Jana]

LoLeL, Hello imbecile :)

[Impaler]

Who is this stupid LoLeL? He thumbed me down for 5 times in a row, LOL.

Come out, motherfucker!

[Kamal900]

Who is this stupid LoLeL? He thumbed me down for 5 times in a row, LOL.

Come out, motherfucker!

Same here, bro.

[Kaspias]

Who is this stupid LoLeL? He thumbed me down for 5 times in a row, LOL.

Come out, motherfucker!

Same.