New African Admixture in Iberia

[Hamilcar]

They even proved some were from SLAVIC area. Here we are flooded with North Africans and Sub-Saharians. I felt that.

these slavs you're talking about were slaves and were called saqalibas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqaliba), sub-saharans were also slaves and used as soldiers, gate keepers, secretaries, etc

[Peter Parker]

North Africans have always been in Iberia, even in prehistoric times and before the Moorish conquest.
However, they never came in large numbers and their genetic impact was very insignificant.

[Alexandro]

Does this mean I get the N word pass now?

[Cristiano viejo]

North Africans have always been in Iberia, even in prehistoric times and before the Moorish conquest.
However, they never came in large numbers and their genetic impact was very insignificant.

lol, not true. If they had been here since always they would have not been called North African but just Iberian.

[gixajo]

Dejad de marear la perdiz y aceptad de una vez la verdad, somos negros, tan negros como los huevos de un grillo o como los sobacos de Machín.:D

[Cristiano viejo]

Dejad de marear la perdiz y aceptad de una vez la verdad, somos negros, tan negros como los huevos de un grillo o como los sobacos de Machín.:DLa perdiz debe ser mareada, vive con ello calvo.

[gixajo]

La perdiz debe ser mareada, vive con ello calvo.

Calla negro!!! Tú opinión de negro es irrelevante.

[Cristiano viejo]

Calla negro!!! Tú opinión de negro es irrelevante.

Qué racista eres, Sabino...

[Gallop]

And this is more academic than amateur calculators

My results
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FiGvJzbLsWc/XnqJX0Xc2vI/AAAAAAAADTA/G_SSqutzxcwlVRMjLjRx80kBFbpMDYxPACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AncientValors.jpg


2%
Most of the world is not of European descent and alternatively, have genetic contributions from influential and significant populations for which we currently do not have enough scientific data. For this reason, those whose ancestral makeup is of non-European descent cannot be grouped into these three particular ancient European categories. As more significant DNA evidence is found in other regions of the world, we will work to continue to connect the ancient with the present in our effort to further our understanding of the interconnectedness between us all. To explore your non-European origins, please see your myOrigins results.

It must be this one because I don't have another one:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eZ5SA8jqw9o/X2pIygQ0VdI/AAAAAAAAElc/fUDjkPMFEFsOuTJF8U0q9OIzMXNMSi3VgCLcBGAsYHQ/s591/AllOriginsFinishPercentages2020.jpg


Finland has been occupied by Hunter-Gatherers since about 9000 BCE. Subsequent migrations of Neolithic Farmers from Central and Southern Europe introduced farming and pottery. Later, the descendants of these groups were characterized by the construction of large stone structures known as Jätinkirkko. Pastoralists from the Pontic Steppe have also contributed to northeastern Baltic Europeans, forming the Battle Axe culture characterised by the inclusion of battle axes in burials. Additionally, modern Finnish and Saami populations have Siberian ancestors who arrived in northern Eastern Europe 3,500 years ago.

The first Finno-Ugric speakers from modern-day central Russia moved into northern Eastern Europe around the 6th century BCE. Both Saami and Finnish languages belong to the Finno-Ugric language family. Saami was widely spoken north of the Baltic Sea before 1000 CE, prior to the arrival of early Finnish speakers from Estonia. With their arrival, some Saami peoples migrated further north while others intermarried with these incoming Finnsh speakers. Vikings, Swedes, and Germanic peoples all traded with the peoples of the northeastern Baltic region and, at times, expanded into their territory.

Since before the arrival of the Vikings, Swedish settlers have led to the establishment of colonies dotting southwestern coastal Finland. As a result of the Second Swedish Crusade, beginning in the 13th century, Finland became part of Sweden, and a boundary was drawn to force back Russian interests. Over centuries of Swedish rule, additional Swedish settlers brought their language and culture to Finland. However, the eastern border of Finland continued to be a battleground between Russia and Sweden. In the 18th century, Sweden relinquished Finland to Russia. Russia was able to maintain its hold over the territory despite additional wars between the two powers. In the early 19th century, terms were agreed upon to grant Finland a certain degree of autonomy under Russian imperial rule. The Grand Duchy of Finland was created in 1809. Finland declared full independence in December 1917 after the fall of the Russian Empire. Since independence, Finland has maintained a cautious relationship with Russia, especially during the Cold War. At a national level, the country experienced rapid industrialization and urbanization in the 20th century. In recent decades, national legislation has been enacted to protect the livelihoods and culture of previously marginalized groups like the Saami peoples.



In my case being the haplogroup E-V22 in my situation in Y full I see my colleagues in many other European countries and they are not exactly from southern Europe.The rest of Europe has also put a lot of E dnaY into Spain. We are in the twenty-first century and foreigners are still obsessed with Al Andalus and the famous 800 years, what are you talking about, forget the Reconquest ... and anyway if there is someone what problem is that the Moors are not people ... at this time would have been absorbed by the thickness of the population not the other way around because a number as to be reversed could not be without counting that there should be an Islamization of part of the native population not an extermination of that population.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WVu8vaKmij0/XgYmegGKeII/AAAAAAAAB0A/M-4lQki_Jt47C9sBfdkFcshiCqHIa9tAQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/BY7566.jpg

So, what are we talking about? It's an issue that must be clarified and resolved or what some foreigners from other European countries want? to give Spain to Islam or what the hell do they want to just talk and influence constantly and by system in a particular period of history that we remember and that for us has only one name: Reconquest

[Hamilcar]

And this is more academic than amateur calculators

My results
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FiGvJzbLsWc/XnqJX0Xc2vI/AAAAAAAADTA/G_SSqutzxcwlVRMjLjRx80kBFbpMDYxPACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AncientValors.jpg


2%
Most of the world is not of European descent and alternatively, have genetic contributions from influential and significant populations for which we currently do not have enough scientific data. For this reason, those whose ancestral makeup is of non-European descent cannot be grouped into these three particular ancient European categories. As more significant DNA evidence is found in other regions of the world, we will work to continue to connect the ancient with the present in our effort to further our understanding of the interconnectedness between us all. To explore your non-European origins, please see your myOrigins results.

It must be this one because I don't have another one:




Finland has been occupied by Hunter-Gatherers since about 9000 BCE. Subsequent migrations of Neolithic Farmers from Central and Southern Europe introduced farming and pottery. Later, the descendants of these groups were characterized by the construction of large stone structures known as Jätinkirkko. Pastoralists from the Pontic Steppe have also contributed to northeastern Baltic Europeans, forming the Battle Axe culture characterised by the inclusion of battle axes in burials. Additionally, modern Finnish and Saami populations have Siberian ancestors who arrived in northern Eastern Europe 3,500 years ago.

The first Finno-Ugric speakers from modern-day central Russia moved into northern Eastern Europe around the 6th century BCE. Both Saami and Finnish languages belong to the Finno-Ugric language family. Saami was widely spoken north of the Baltic Sea before 1000 CE, prior to the arrival of early Finnish speakers from Estonia. With their arrival, some Saami peoples migrated further north while others intermarried with these incoming Finnsh speakers. Vikings, Swedes, and Germanic peoples all traded with the peoples of the northeastern Baltic region and, at times, expanded into their territory.

Since before the arrival of the Vikings, Swedish settlers have led to the establishment of colonies dotting southwestern coastal Finland. As a result of the Second Swedish Crusade, beginning in the 13th century, Finland became part of Sweden, and a boundary was drawn to force back Russian interests. Over centuries of Swedish rule, additional Swedish settlers brought their language and culture to Finland. However, the eastern border of Finland continued to be a battleground between Russia and Sweden. In the 18th century, Sweden relinquished Finland to Russia. Russia was able to maintain its hold over the territory despite additional wars between the two powers. In the early 19th century, terms were agreed upon to grant Finland a certain degree of autonomy under Russian imperial rule. The Grand Duchy of Finland was created in 1809. Finland declared full independence in December 1917 after the fall of the Russian Empire. Since independence, Finland has maintained a cautious relationship with Russia, especially during the Cold War. At a national level, the country experienced rapid industrialization and urbanization in the 20th century. In recent decades, national legislation has been enacted to protect the livelihoods and culture of previously marginalized groups like the Saami peoples.



In my case being the haplogroup E-V22 in my situation in Y full I see my colleagues in many other European countries and they are not exactly from southern Europe.The rest of Europe has also put a lot of E dnaY into Spain. We are in the twenty-first century and foreigners are still obsessed with Al Andalus and the famous 800 years, what are you talking about, forget the Reconquest ... and anyway if there is someone what problem is that the Moors are not people ... at this time would have been absorbed by the thickness of the population not the other way around because a number as to be reversed could not be without counting that there should be an Islamization of part of the native population not an extermination of that population.


So, what are we talking about? It's an issue that must be clarified and resolved or what some foreigners from other European countries want? to give Spain to Islam or what the hell do they want to just talk and influence constantly and by system in a particular period of history that we remember and that for us has only one name: Reconquest

Next time please refrain from commenting a genetic thread because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Following your logic and ignorance I'm only 13% Non-european :

https://i.imgur.com/gVbnqvm.png

[Kamal900]

Does this mean I get the N word pass now?

Yes, my sandnigga :)

[Kamal900]

ofc you are. I've browsed the site and it is a very funny small circlejerk of like 5 Italian white supremacists who have a fetish for blond hair blue eyes :picard2:that's all. Since when are Sicilians all as pale and blonde as Swedish? And then looking at stuff like this makes me laugh at how sad the agenda is-

https://i.imgur.com/ojoebLL.png

https://i.imgur.com/skG5pRV.png

:thumb001:

So now it's not surprising you think I'm gyspy LOL, b/c you think anyone swarthy and not Nordic as fuck is non-european.

Sicilians as a whole genetically cluster the closest to western Jewry and Aegean Greeks due to sharing similar Aegean/Balkan and MENA admixtures while Iberians are genetically pretty uniform.

[Peter Parker]

I think people are obsessed with portraying Iberians as Moors because they are probably both Muslim and Spanish haters.
We live in times where Arabs unfortunately are stereotyped as 'terrorists' although this isn't true and most don't deserve it at all.

So it doesn't come to me as a surprise that racists also want to portray Spaniards as having 'terrorist genes' and that they are evil.
I can't explain it otherwise...

[MisterGaga]

Spaniard Bitches are Trigerred.

Hamilcar is just revenging Guanches and Moriscos.

[Rafael Passoni]

Anwering an quoted question: My three Spaniards great-grandparents were 1 Catalan, 1 South French (raised in Catalonia) and 1 a half-half mix of Andalusian plus Scottish. And I score zero North African. In addition, I saw lots of spaniards DNA results and they score zero north African, most their outside score are from Western and Central Europe. In addition, I know a lot of spaniards and they have got light features, often lighter than Italians.

[Fraisod]

Anwering an quoted question: My three Spaniards great-grandparents were 1 Catalan, 1 South French (raised in Catalonia) and 1 a half-half mix of Andalusian plus Scottish. And I score zero North African. In addition, I saw lots of spaniards DNA results and they score zero north Africa, most their outside score are from Western and Central Europe. In addition, I know a lot of spaniards and they have got light features, often lighter than Italians.
I think the reason get heated up is because they want to compare Country A (and generalize about it - as if there is clear uniformity there) to Country B (same approach...).
Cherry-picking (butthurt owd or malicious, depending on who is doing it) follows -- and the shitstorm begins.
Something closer to the truth is that almost any country or regions has a range of phenotypes, and some of those are found in neighboring countries.
We need overlapping pie charts (maybe even overlapping octopus charts).

[Dick]

from medieval inbreeding since it's difficult to maintain a phenotype with such small numbers, but tell me if im wrong.

This is 100% true, not saying in your case but in general.

[Gota_type_]

https://i.imgur.com/ojoebLL.png

https://i.imgur.com/skG5pRV.png

It is really stupid to pick 1 individual from a certain country and compare him with other from other country UNLESS we know for sure that their ancestry is fully from that country.

That Modol could have been adopted and the adopters gave him his his catalán surname (during the 50-60´s rich families that could not breed, were given children that were unwanted or nobody knew where their parents were. We know that there have been several tens of thousands of these cases). He looks like STEREOTYPICAL GYPSY and he is obvious a non-white (even I have seen gypsies that look less stereotypical than him) and those blonde italians could have a grandmother from Denmark (for saying something). If we really know their ancestry (in Spain we have 2 surnames and it is easy to look for the parents 2 surnames), the probability of a mistake is rare, but even with that there are exceptional cases like those tens of thousands that were raised by different parents because they were abandoned, or things like these.


So, just posting 1 picture without saying anything else, just to prove nothing is stupid, even considering that it is clear that both phenotypes don´t represent not even the minority of the people in these countries.

[Gallop]

Publishing the strangest photograph is very easy.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTOy9nRbirGIXPUSXoxOGP_70jxNruof wPxRA&usqp=CAU

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/617103639832870912/fNz5AZ1U_400x400.jpg

https://estaticos.elperiodico.com/resources/jpg/6/8/bohigas-modol-hablan-sobre-diagonal-mar-forum-1343246740086.jpg

https://media.tvalacarta.info/programas/0/beteve/basics/entrevista-daniel-modol-regidor-del-psc-5-de-febrer-de-2019.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClJZoQYUgAEl9B9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ojoebLL.png

https://estaticos.elperiodico.com/resources/jpg/2/8/1548868120782.jpg

[French Rolland]

He is tanned, but he doesn't show exotics traits. He looks like Lionnel Astier a southern french actor.

[Rafael Passoni]

My uncle is a mix of South French plus Catalan and he resembles him. His face is a little bit commom there. But I understand Italians see him as "exotic" because his type isn't commom in Italy. It's a nescience of these Italians, just it.

[Gota_type_]

Publishing the strangest photograph is very easy.



https://estaticos.elperiodico.com/resources/jpg/6/8/bohigas-modol-hablan-sobre-diagonal-mar-forum-1343246740086.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClJZoQYUgAEl9B9.jpg

IMG]

With these pictures he looks much different but ANYWAYS he is a total outlier. He is not just "tanned". Even if he was not, I don´t think that he is more than a 0.001% of the population. I have seen gypsies that are lighter than him. He is a non-White like Busquets and others. There is no problem in assuming that we have a 5% of native non-whites (excluding the 1 million of gypsies). But, the rest are totally European looking. Even nordics have a 5-10% of natives non-whites (asian looking).

[Leto]

With these pictures he looks much different but ANYWAYS he is a total outlier. He is not just "tanned". Even if he was not, I don´t think that he is more than a 0.001% of the population. I have seen gypsies that are lighter than him. He is a non-White like Busquets and others. There is no problem in assuming that we have a 5% of native non-whites (excluding the 1 million of gypsies). But, the rest are totally European looking. Even nordics have a 5-10% of natives non-whites (asian looking).
So you go only by superficial facial features when deciding who is white? That's dumb. User Luso is just about as dark as that man and he scores like a full Portuguese. If they are Nordics by blood, they are Europeans, regardless of what they appear to you.

[Ford]

Looks like a Turk I know from Samsun.

[Gota_type_]

So you go only by superficial facial features when deciding who is white? That's dumb. User Luso is just about as dark as that man and he scores like a full Portuguese. If they are Nordics by blood, they are Europeans, regardless of what they appear to you.

This man does not look just southern European. He looks admixed and he is a total outlier. I am not saying that he is black, but he probably has some non-White recent ancestor. Maybe his grand-mother was raped by the moros during the Guerra Civil, maybe he descends from some gypsy or maybe his mother is castiza from Venezuela or Panamá, we don´t know, we don´t care. He does not look White, he does not look European (totally), his facial features are rare, and his skin tone is too dark and not normal (I already said that I have seen gypsies lighter and more European looking than him).

I don´t have a problem in accepting that we have a 5-6% of non-White natives. There is no issue with it.

[Gallop]

With these pictures he looks much different but ANYWAYS he is a total outlier. He is not just "tanned". Even if he was not, I don´t think that he is more than a 0.001% of the population. I have seen gypsies that are lighter than him. He is a non-White like Busquets and others. There is no problem in assuming that we have a 5% of native non-whites (excluding the 1 million of gypsies). But, the rest are totally European looking. Even nordics have a 5-10% of natives non-whites (asian looking).

I had seemed a little in the line of Dyango and his son are some prototypes of Catalans with a complicated structure may seem atypical may be strange combinations that arise

https://www.telam.com.ar/advf/imagenes/2013/09/52430b0a04807_324x215.jpg


https://img2.rtve.es/i/?h=800&i=1231409140925.jpg&crop=yes

https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music113/v4/56/24/5d/56245d05-574b-307b-10e5-01832e3b2763/pr_source.png/800x800bb.jpeg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClJZoQYUgAEl9B9.jpg

I see it more in this line. The rest is for foreigners: photos with a high contrast, beard of one week, tanned, disheveled, coming out drunk of a den with the dislocated face and to take advantage of that type of image to evidence and to try to fit it in: the 800 years of Muslim domination in Spain or topics of the 18th century of some countries of Europe: the Spanish are gypsies. All this is left for them; even if they are self-deceived.

On the other hand, I don't know what they want, but if they want to give Spain back to Islam or what they want, they can say so and save time.

https://historia.nationalgeographic.com.es/medio/2014/12/22/las_cabezas_cortadas_de_ullastret_violencia_y_ritu al_en_el_mundo_ibero_1890x1063_2.jpg

They can be ancient combinations whose reminiscences arise spontaneously and we try to fit it into something modern: it must have a gypsy ancestor, it must come from the Moors, it is Turkish e.t.c. and there may be cases but as a rule it would be known publicly today.


https://previews.123rf.com/images/tea/tea1710/tea171000195/88822475-san-petersburgo-circa-octubre-de-2017-mujer-con-una-corona-de-cart%C3%B3n-en-el-restaurante-burger-king-burg.jpg
To be white is not only to go in this line dear friend, you cannot adopt ideas from someone infinitely younger than you.

[Leto]

I had seemed a little in the line of Dyango and his son are some prototypes of Catalans with a complicated structure may seem atypical may be strange combinations that arise

[IMG]https://www.telam.com.ar/advf/imagenes/2013/09/52430b0a04807_324x215.jpg


[IMG]https://img2.rtve.es/i/?h=800&i=1231409140925.jpg&crop=yes

[IMG]https://is2-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music113/v4/56/24/5d/56245d05-574b-307b-10e5-01832e3b2763/pr_source.png/800x800bb.jpeg

[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClJZoQYUgAEl9B9.jpg

I see it more in this line. The rest is for foreigners: photos with a high contrast, beard of one week, tanned, disheveled, coming out drunk of a den with the dislocated face and to take advantage of that type of image to evidence and to try to fit it in: the 800 years of Muslim domination in Spain or topics of the 18th century of some countries of Europe: the Spanish are gypsies. All this is left for them; even if they are self-deceived.

On the other hand, I don't know what they want, but if they want to give Spain back to Islam or what they want, they can say so and save time.

[IMG]https://historia.nationalgeographic.com.es/medio/2014/12/22/las_cabezas_cortadas_de_ullastret_violencia_y_ritu al_en_el_mundo_ibero_1890x1063_2.jpg

They can be ancient combinations whose reminiscences arise spontaneously and we try to fit it into something modern: it must have a gypsy ancestor, it must come from the Moors, it is Turkish e.t.c. and there may be cases but as a rule it would be known publicly today.
Good points. That is why I always say without actual DNA results discussing someone's appearance is rather pointless. Sure there will be obvious things and plenty of them but there will also be a lot less obvious cases and sometimes even surprising ones. The same can be stated in the reverse - without photos DNA results may look bland, just a bunch of random values. The most interesting thing is to compare phenotypes with DNA results.

[Gota_type_]

I had seemed a little in the line of Dyango and his son are some prototypes of Catalans with a complicated structure may seem atypical may be strange combinations that arise


https://img2.rtve.es/i/?h=800&i=1231409140925.jpg&crop=yes

https://previews.123rf.com/images/tea/tea1710/tea171000195/88822475-san-petersburgo-circa-octubre-de-2017-mujer-con-una-corona-de-cart%C3%B3n-en-el-restaurante-burger-king-burg.jpg
To be white is not only to go in this line dear friend, you cannot adopt ideas from someone infinitely younger than you.

It could be, but what is certain is that they are total outliers and to me they are obvious non-White without saying that this is better or worst. And I can also understand that foreigners consider them to be non-White (or nonfully European).

Por cierto, no entiendo tu última frase con la foto de esa tipa. Lo de younger.

[Jingle Bell]

"In northwestern Spain and in Portugal, Sub-Saharan autosomal ancestry is on average 7.1%"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

7.1%? i hope thats a joke XDDDDDDDD



Target: Spain:Spanish_Galicia_(Galician)
Distance: 1.0619% / 0.01061875
54.2 Central_European_Beaker
17.4 Iberian_Farmer
16.2 Greco-Roman
12.2 North-African
0.0 Yoruba




Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.7895% / 0.00789480
51.0 Central_European_Beaker
19.2 Greco-Roman
16.0 Iberian_Farmer
13.8 North-African
0.0 Yoruba

[ecptr]

7.1%? i hope thats a joke XDDDDDDDD



Target: Spain:Spanish_Galicia_(Galician)
Distance: 1.0619% / 0.01061875
54.2 Central_European_Beaker
17.4 Iberian_Farmer
16.2 Greco-Roman
12.2 North-African
0.0 Yoruba




Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.7895% / 0.00789480
51.0 Central_European_Beaker
19.2 Greco-Roman
16.0 Iberian_Farmer
13.8 North-African
0.0 Yoruba


It's a quote from from a peer-reviewed genetic study.

The Wikipedia article about African admixture in Europe doesn't use any amateur sources.

[Marshall Theodore]

It's a quote from from a peer-reviewed genetic study.

The Wikipedia article about African admixture in Europe doesn't use any amateur sources.

So what? there are other much more recent paper claiming SSA average for SOUTHERN IBERIANS as 1,41%±0,87, which one go against your agenda?

Moreover, how can you prove the reliability of Wikipedia? stop with this obsession over my ancestors.

[Marshall Theodore]

7.1%? i hope thats a joke XDDDDDDDD



Target: Spain:Spanish_Galicia_(Galician)
Distance: 1.0619% / 0.01061875
54.2 Central_European_Beaker
17.4 Iberian_Farmer
16.2 Greco-Roman
12.2 North-African
0.0 Yoruba




Target: Portuguese
Distance: 0.7895% / 0.00789480
51.0 Central_European_Beaker
19.2 Greco-Roman
16.0 Iberian_Farmer
13.8 North-African
0.0 Yoruba


Those NA scores in G25 seems to be a bit higher than average (10%±1,5%), are it 100% Taforalt?

About SSA, even the outlier portuguese member here doesnt score 5% SSA in any calculator, and this same study says Italians have 9,2% SSA lulz.

[Jingle Bell]

Those NA scores in G25 seems to be a bit higher than average (10%±1,5%), are it 100% Taforalt?

About SSA, even the outlier portuguese member here doesnt score 5% SSA in any calculator, and this same study says Italians have 9,2% SSA lulz.

The average was yep 10%, but at individual level if im not wrong was between 8% - 13% NA
The NA sample which i used its a Guanche average of oficial database, so its EEF admixed, not full IberoMaurisian

[Jingle Bell]

It's a quote from from a peer-reviewed genetic study.

The Wikipedia article about African admixture in Europe doesn't use any amateur sources.

U dont need trust in a "amateur" calculator like g25 (ik its not used in study bcs u can literally model with anythibg and have a overlap problem, but its good enough for simple models especially with averages models) i have some recents studies and with a profissional calculator:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/
Also a model made by a guy in Anthrogenica, with qpAdm and. . . .0% SSA. . .
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?27297-qpAdm-Neolithic-admix-chart-for-West-Eurasians-ANF-Natufian-CHG-Iran-N-EHG-WHG-etc/page4

[Friends of Oliver Society]

It's a quote from from a peer-reviewed genetic study.

The Wikipedia article about African admixture in Europe doesn't use any amateur sources.

What other study supports 7.1% SSA ancestry anywhere in Iberia? None. Many people don't understand that a study only carries weight if its conclusion can be supported by other studies. Peer-reviewed only means it's acceptable to be published. It doesn't mean the conclusion is accurate.

[Petalpusher]

You guys are talking about different things i think. What they call African admixture is actually North African not SSA (of course), as labeled "% African admixture" on this figure below. These kind of values are pretty reasonable for NA and consistent with other studies, as well estimates in time of admixtures. Obviously the SSA is contained into the NA, it's not gonna show twice separetly in G25.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/NorthAfricanAdmixtureIberianPeninsula.jpg




https://i.postimg.cc/x1XJbT9H/AIMS.png
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3519480/

In the other study, they use f3 stats with AIMs "Ancestry Informative Markers" which are more highly differentiated sets of markers than with traditionally used snps. They tend to show more of SSA, or Asian for that matter. Italy appears more SSA because it's more CHG/Basal shifted which is closer (relatively) to SSA than any other components Europeans recieved. It show more deep relationships than admixture per say. Countries like Greece would probably show even more using this method.

While north Italy there s no notable SSA input, it might be even one of the lowest in Europe but it's still quite CHG like, this is the main reason it generally plots more southern on pca than Iberians. Even Germany and Ireland show a tiny bit of SSA with those markers, compared to Denmark or France. This also doesnt show Oceanian which may or may not be above noise level in certain Euro populations.

[Jingle Bell]

You guys are talking about different things i think. What they call African admixture is actually North African not SSA (of course), as labeled "% African admixture" on this figure below. These kind of values are pretty reasonable for NA and consistent with other studies, as well estimates in time of admixtures. Obviously the SSA is contained into the NA, it's not gonna show twice separetly in G25.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/NorthAfricanAdmixtureIberianPeninsula.jpg




https://i.postimg.cc/x1XJbT9H/AIMS.png
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3519480/

In the other study, they use f3 stats with AIMs "Ancestry Informative Markers" which are more highly differentiated sets of markers than with traditionally used snps. They tend to show more of SSA, or Asian for that matter. Italy appears more SSA because it's more CHG/Basal shifted which is closer (relatively) to SSA than any other components Europeans recieved. It show more deep relationships than admixture per say. Countries like Greece would probably show even more using this method.

While north Italy there s no notable SSA input, it might be even one of the lowest in Europe but it's still quite CHG like, this is the main reason it generally plots more southern on pca than Iberians. Even Germany and Ireland show a tiny bit of SSA with those markers, compared to Denmark or France. This also doesnt show Oceanian which may or may not be above noise level in certain Euro populations.

The study seens good the % of NA looks accurate, but the date dont imo, the mix with NA started in Neolithic and become strong in Roman Era

[Marshall Theodore]

The study seens good the % of NA looks accurate, but the date dont imo, the mix with NA started in Neolithic and become strong in Roman Era

I think the date part its especulation.