New African Admixture in Iberia

[Albobalboa]

As you all know, I'm a man of kindness and factual discussion. I'd like this forum to have a serious, factual discussion on the high amount of African admixture amongst Iberians. This is NOT a troll thread, any statement posted should have a source to follow.
"In terms of autosomal DNA, the most recent study regarding African admixture in Iberian populations was conducted in April 2013 by Botigué et al. using genome-wide SNP data for over 2000 individuals, concluding that Spain and Portugal hold significantly higher levels of North African than the rest of the European continent. Estimates of shared ancestry averaged from 4% in some places to 10-12% in the general population, the populations of the Canary Islands outputted up to 20% of shared ancestry with north africans, although the Canary islands are a spanish exclave located in the african continent, and thus this output is not representative of the iberian population; these same results did not exceed 2% in other western or southern European populations."

That's on autosomal DNA, here's on the Y-DNA of Iberians, especially the Portugese.

"In general aspects, according to (Bosch et al. 2007) "...the origins of the Iberian Y-chromosome pool may be summarized as follows: 5% recent NW African, 78% Upper Paleolithic and later local derivatives (group IX), and 10% Neolithic" (H58, H71)."

"A similar 2014 study by Lazaridis et al. found an average African admixture of 14.8% (12.6% Mozabite and 2.2% Mbuti/Yoruba) in the Y-DNA markers of the Spanish population, suggesting that gene flow from Sub-Saharan and North African populations has occurred in the Spanish sample."

Some other shit for some DNA nerds:

"Recent Mitochondrial DNA studies coincide in that the Iberian Peninsula holds higher levels of typically North African Haplotype U6, as well as higher frequencies of Sub-Saharan African Haplogroup L. However, high frequencies are largely concentrated in the west and south of the Iberian peninsula and therefore overall frequency is higher in Portugal (5.83%) than in Spain (2.9%) with a mean frequency for the entire peninsula of 3.83%. There is considerable geographic divergence across the peninsula with high frequencies observed for South West Castile (18%), Southern Portugal (10.80%), Central Portugal (9.70%), Western Andalusia (14.6%)[41] and Córdoba (8.30%)."

Facts derived from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula - Sources in link.

So a good question would be, how come Iberians were such good recipients of recent NWA penis? 5-10% is pretty fucking high, imagine how many Iberian women it would take to impregnate to leave a clear mark on the population for hundreds of years even after the Moors were "driven out".

[Sikeliot]

I am not convinced most of it is recent.

[Albobalboa]

I am not convinced most of it is recent.

k.

[Dema]

New expansion of Age of Empires is out, African kingdoms xD



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[Albobalboa]

Brother I've laughed my ass off at the expense of Iberians, and the more they resist the more I laugh. But let's be nice here and keep it strictly factual, I could learn to love those little monkeys after all.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I am not convinced most of it is recent.

You're right about it.

You can read here the The Population Genomics Of Archaeological Transition In West Iberia, an new report published in May 2017.

In: http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/10/134254

It analyses the DNA of 14 ancient individuals from Portugal distributed from the Middle Neolithic (4200-3500 BC) to the Middle Bronze Age (1740-1430 BC). All of them have North African components, bringing down the theory that this component is present in Iberia because of the Moors.

[Laberia]

Excuse me for my ignorance, who are this 12.6% Mozabite and 2.2% Mbuti/Yoruba?

[Albobalboa]

The presence of E1b1a lineages outside Africa can typically be associated with events that occurred after the Bantu Expansion, such as the Moorish occupation of Iberia or the trade in African slaves. In much of Europe, frequencies of E lineages which are not E1b1b are very low, usually less than 1%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

Coping is intense

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Excuse me for my ignorance, who are this 12.6% Mozabite and 2.2% Mbuti/Yoruba?

Mozabites are an Berber ethnic group. Mbuti/Yoruba are North Western Africans.

[Smeagol]

Vast majority of it is North african Caucasoid and not nigger. I don't see how it matters whether it's recent or not though.

[Albobalboa]

"Haplogroup U6, to which a North African origin has been attributed (Rando et al. 1998), is largely distributed among Mozabites (28.2%) and Mauritanians (20%). In other Northwest Africans, the frequency of U6 ranges from 4.2% in Tunisians to 8% in Moroccan Arabs (Plaza et al. 2003). In Europe, U6 is most common in Spain and Portugal."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

[Dema]

You're right about it.

You can read here the The Population Genomics Of Archaeological Transition In West Iberia, an new report published in May 2017.

In: http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/10/134254

It analyses the DNA of 14 ancient individuals from Portugal distributed from the Middle Neolithic (4200-3500 BC) to the Middle Bronze Age (1740-1430 BC). All of them have North African components, bringing down the theory that this component is present in Iberia because of the Moors.


Not sure.. Study about Ydna said - "...the origins of the Iberian Y-chromosome pool may be summarized as follows: 5% recent NW African,"



If they match N Africans recently by Ydna then i dont think you can disprove this. Regarding autosomal... Part of it must be of Berber origin just like minimum 5% of Ydna is..

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"Haplogroup U6, to which a North African origin has been attributed (Rando et al. 1998), is largely distributed among Mozabites (28.2%) and Mauritanians (20%). In other Northwest Africans, the frequency of U6 ranges from 4.2% in Tunisians to 8% in Moroccan Arabs (Plaza et al. 2003). In Europe, U6 is most common in Spain and Portugal."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

Who is the people they tested though? Were they ethnic Iberians? Sources needed.

[Albobalboa]

Vast majority of it is North african Caucasoid and not nigger. I don't see how it matters whether it's recent or not though.

Go be American somewhere else, this is more than the watered down "black and white" bullshit, you dumb fuck.

[Dema]

Who is the people they tested though? Were they ethnic Iberians? Sources needed.

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What do you need, their ID card? They are more then real IBerians living their everyday normal IBerian life...

[Laberia]

Mozabites are an Berber ethnic group. Mbuti/Yoruba are North Western Africans.

Thanks for the answer Viriato. Let me understand, this mean that around 15% of Iberians is of African origine?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Not sure.. Study about Ydna said - "...the origins of the Iberian Y-chromosome pool may be summarized as follows: 5% recent NW African,"



If they match N Africans recently by Ydna then i dont think you can disprove this. Regarding autosomal... Part of it must be of Berber origin just like minimum 5% of Ydna is..

Where does it say that? Which study? Is it on report I showed from May 2017 (Department of Genetics & Evolution - Anthropology Unit, University of Geneva, Switzerland) or is it from 1998 Wikipedia article?

[Albobalboa]

"In northwestern Spain and in Portugal, Sub-Saharan autosomal ancestry is on average 7.1%"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

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What do you need, their ID card? They are more then real IBerians living their everyday normal IBerian life...

You surely disregarded the anonymous Tosk samples who got H1 Y-DNA for not being real Tosk according to you, so where is your coherence now?

[Laberia]

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What do you need, their ID card? They are more then real IBerians living their everyday normal IBerian life...

The moor learned the skills from me.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

"In northwestern Spain and in Portugal, Sub-Saharan autosomal ancestry is on average 7.1%"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

Surely it is, in Galicia and Minho, the most Celtic region in the whole Peninsula who was the least time under the Moorish rule. It is so believable.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

These are the SSA average admixtures in Spain from the samples provided in Eurogenes K15:

Spanish_Andalucia 0.52%
Spanish_Aragon 0.08%
Spanish_Cantabria 0.61%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.28%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.84%
Spanish_Cataluna 0.5%
Spanish_Extremadura 0.95%
Spanish_Galicia 0.96%
Spanish_Murcia 0.67%

Real data from samples taken from the Euroegenes K15 spreadsheet, no fairy tale copy\paste Wikipedia articles.

[Albobalboa]

"A number of studies have focused on ascertaining the genetic impact of historical North African population movements into Iberia on the genetic composition of modern Spanish and Portuguese populations. Initial studies pointed to the Straits of Gibraltar acting more as a genetic barrier than a bridge during prehistorical times, while other studies point to a higher level of recent North African admixture among Iberians than among other European populations, albeit this is as a result of more recent migratory movements, particularly the Moorish invasion of Iberia in the 7th century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

[Dema]

You surely disregarded the anonymous Tosk samples who got H1 Y-DNA for not being real Tosk according to you, so where is your coherence now?

Thats why i am laughing, when i said 4 persons smuggled in among 300 persons you said: i believe more to foreign scientists then to Albanian DNA project..

And now you are using my tactic xD its good to see you are learning, just we are not speaking about 4 out 300 persons but 5 - 7 % of Iberian YDNA as studies concluded...


I know you are not one of them just as your Ydna proved, and you dont look like it, but im sure when you walk the beautiful streets of IBeria you see plenty of these faces..


And besides we are talking about NW African direct paternal lines among Iberians and not Gypsy H1 one. Im sure there is H1 also... Maybe i will give it a look later and see if i can dig something out..

[Albobalboa]

Fairytale copy from wikipedia, you mean actual research by unbiased researchers which has source studies to prove it?

I sense butthurt. Remember that wikipedia is just a collection of facts from different sources. They seem 100% legit to me and probably to most people. More so than any blog or private bullshit testing, these are professionals.

In terms of paternal Y-Chromosome DNA, recent studies coincide in that Iberia has the greatest presence of the typically Northwest African Y-chromosome haplotype marker E-M81 in Europe. as well as Haplotype Va. Estimates of Y-Chromosome ancestry vary, with a 2008 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics using 1140 samples from throughout the Iberian peninsula, giving a proportion of 10.6% North African ancestry. A similar 2009 study of Y-chromosome with 659 samples from Portugal, 680 from Northern Spain, 37 samples from Andalusia, 915 samples from mainland Italy, and 93 samples from Sicily found significally higher levels of North African male ancestry in Spain, Sicily and Portugal (7.7%, 7.1% and 7.5% respectively) than in Italy (1.7%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

[MINARDOWICZ]

Go be American somewhere else, this is more than the watered down "black and white" bullshit, you dumb fuck.

THIS! I don't get it when some Americans use this forum as a KKK gathering. This is NOT what it is supposed to be. This forum is to discuss anthropology, genetics, and culture. You don't even have to be a racist to be on this forum. I am not a racist. I don't get mad at my MENA scores being higher than they should be based on my paper trail. Who gives?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Thats why i am laughing, when i said 4 persons smuggled in among 300 persons you said: i believe more to foreign scientists then to Albanian DNA project..

And now you are using my tactic xD its good to see you are learning, just we are not speaking about 4 out 300 persons but 5 - 7 % of Iberian YDNA as studies concluded...


The Albanian study concluded 12% of the population, twice than that. It is not a tactic though. Iberians had one of the hugest empires all across the globe, due to it we can not assume that everyone is native. Albania is a small town of inbred people in comparison, that never amounted to nothing so we can assume all people in there are natives since you don't even have immigrants.

[MINARDOWICZ]

These are the SSA average admixtures in Spain from the samples provided in Eurogenes K15:

Spanish_Andalucia 0.52%
Spanish_Aragon 0.08%
Spanish_Cantabria 0.61%
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 0.28%
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.84%
Spanish_Cataluna 0.5%
Spanish_Extremadura 0.95%
Spanish_Galicia 0.96%
Spanish_Murcia 0.67%

Real data from samples taken from the Euroegenes K15 spreadsheet, no fairy tale copy\paste Wikipedia articles.

Now, what about Portugal? XD. We know you don't want to show us that.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Here is how it is guys. You have the highest West Asian and Middle Eastern scores in Greek Islands and S Italy/Sicily/Malta. You have the highest North African in Spain/Portugal. This is how it works.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Now, what about Portugal? XD. We know you don't want to show us that.

Nah, I just copy\pasted it from another post that I had done in another thread and we were talking specifically about Spain. Portuguese SSA average is 0.85%. Mine is 0% on K15 and 0.43% on K13.

[Albobalboa]

Here is how it is guys. You have the highest West Asian and Middle Eastern scores in Greek Islands and S Italy/Sicily/Malta. You have the highest North African in Spain/Portugal. This is how it works.

Well put, but they are denying the professional studies done on the subject, they are ashamed of their recent African brethren. I'm trying to influence a different outlook, help them become the best version of themselves.

[Albobalboa]

The Albanian study concluded 12% of the population, twice than that. It is not a tactic though. Iberians had one of the hugest empires all across the globe, due to it we can not assume that everyone is native. Albania is a small town of inbred people in comparison, that never amounted to nothing so we can assume all people in there are natives since you don't even have immigrants.

This admixture wasn't from the empire lmao, it was from the Moors dicking you down. You built an empire on the corpses of millions of less fortunate in different continents, wealth from stealing, thieving and ruining, something many wouldn't be proud of. Or do you see a Gypsy who made his wealth from stealing as a successful man you would want to emulate? When it comes to individual achievements you have 1 Portugese nobel prize winner in STEM field, same as Albanians. Kek

Look at the British if you want to see actual colonial success and not just ruin.

[MINARDOWICZ]

Nah, I just copy\pasted it from another post that I had done in another thread and we were talking specifically about Spain. Portuguese SSA average is 0.85%. Mine is 0% on K15 and 0.43% on K13.

I don't doubt you are 0%, some regions show up this way. I'm assuming you are not Madeiran.

[Wadaad]

I always wondered why my Portuguese friends could jump higher than me and play better basketball...it is because they have that fast twitch Yoruba "Air Jordan" genetics...my slow twitch e1b1b ass could not cope in the basketball court with them.

[Sebastianus Rex]

"In northwestern Spain and in Portugal, Sub-Saharan autosomal ancestry is on average 7.1%"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

Albanian butthurt trolling is pathetic, all this because they can't accept what they are: a non-european people of arabo-turkish descent.

Albanians constantly reveal typical gyspsy behaviour, you mess with one then the entire family comes like the pack of hienas they are.

Northwest African component is caucasoid you dumbfucks, those north africans that are not admixed with negroid and arabic DNA are fully caucasoid and more Europid looking that hooked nosed / armeno-araboid near-easterns and your semi-asiatic arabo-turkish fathers.

Northwest Iberia is exactly the region that was never under Moorish rule...another failed thread.

[Dema]

Where does it say that? Which study? Is it on report I showed from May 2017 (Department of Genetics & Evolution - Anthropology Unit, University of Geneva, Switzerland) or is it from 1998 Wikipedia article?


the genetic contribution of European Y chromosomes to the NW African gene pool is estimated at 4%, and NW African populations may have contributed 7% of Iberian Y chromosomes.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1275654/

[Albobalboa]

Albanian butthurt trolling is pathetic, all this because they can't accept what they are: a non-european people of arabo-turkish descent.

Northwest African component is caucasoid you dumbfucks, those north africans that are not admixed with negroid and arabic DNA are fully caucasoid and more Europid looking that hooked nosed / armeno-araboid near-easterns and your semi-asiatic arabo-turkish fathers.

Northwest Iberia is exactly the region that was never under Moorish rule...another failed thread.

Aw shit here come the butthurt. Your argument is so ridiculous I don't even know where to start. It's PROVEN to be plenty of negroid admixture, even sub-saharan.

They are not admixed with negroid or Arabic DNA?! :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Man you don't even know what caucasoid means, you're so frustrated over this you probably can't even tell what you're typing.

[Wadaad]

the genetic contribution of European Y chromosomes to the NW African gene pool is estimated at 4%, and NW African populations may have contributed 7% of Iberian Y chromosomes.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1275654/

So science says Moors were better at seducing and impregnating Iberian women than Iberian men were with Moorish women? Why am I not surprised.

[MINARDOWICZ]

So science says Moors were better at seducing and impregnating Iberian women than Iberian men were with Moorish women? Why am I not surprised.

https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/2618366/my-nigga-denzel.jpg

[Albobalboa]

"A 2009 autosomal study by Moorjani et al. that used between 500 thousand and 1.5 million SNPs estimated that the proportion of Sub-Saharan African ancestry is 2.4% in Spain, and 1.9% in Greece."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_admixture_in_Europe

From that study, here's what a list looked. This is of Sub-Saharan African.

African American 79.4%
Portugal 3.2%
Spain 2.4%
S. Italy 2.7%
Greece 1.9%
Sardinia 2.9%
N. Italy 1.1%
Sephardic Jews 4.8%
Ashkenazi Jews 3.2%

[Dema]

So science says Moors were better at seducing and impregnating Iberian women than Iberian men were with Moorish women? Why am I not surprised.

It could be also because of high homosexuality rate in Iberia..

Every year there is Gay Pride in Barcelona, im sure Cristiano Viejo is in first rows :)

http://rainbowbarcelona.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Gay-Pride-Barcelona-2017-2.png

http://actividadesparagays.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Barcelona-Circuit-Festival-2015.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6004/5913609018_66c90482ec_b.jpg

[Albobalboa]

Chill with the trolling guys, this is a serious thread. I pride myself in being factual when it comes to Iberians, they are my little toys.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Only because an 82 IQ Albanian troll writes so. Everybody can check sub-saharan percentages, what you write is irrelevant and symptom of extreme butthurtness against the few users who have the courage of telling what you are in your mongrel faces. Gypsy mentality and gypsy behaviour, that's why you will always be a third world shithole.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit#gid=1872836177

[Albobalboa]

Meanwhile...recent African influence in Iberia:

"In terms of paternal Y-Chromosome DNA, recent studies coincide in that Iberia has the greatest presence of the typically Northwest African Y-chromosome haplotype marker E-M81 in Europe. as well as Haplotype Va. Estimates of Y-Chromosome ancestry vary, with a 2008 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics using 1140 samples from throughout the Iberian peninsula, giving a proportion of 10.6% North African ancestry."

FIRST WORLD STRONK!

Talk of mongrel faces, gypsy behaviour bla bla is pseudoscience, I'll leave that to Iberians. Professional official studies paint a clear picture, that's why you're upset.

[Sebastianus Rex]

That coming from someone who belongs to a prototypical beta subservient people is hilarious. xD

[Dema]

Only because an 82 IQ Albanian troll writes so. Everybody can check sub-saharan percentages, what you write is irrelevant and symptom of extreme butthurtness against the few users who have the courage of telling what you are in your mongrel faces. Gypsy mentality and gypsy behaviour, that's why you will always be a third world shithole.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19c_bZjUV_RouKyGyLHmMDw57WwAVabXFJOaso_gcuRE/edit#gid=1872836177

Do you find it accident that the only user that interfered in love and romantic relationship with homosexual user Rainbowmimi aka Heathers is Portuguese - (Big Mac)?

[Albobalboa]

That coming from someone who belongs to a prototypical beta subservient people is hilarious. xD

What submissiveness looks like in recent years:

"In terms of paternal Y-Chromosome DNA, recent studies coincide in that Iberia has the greatest presence of the typically Northwest African Y-chromosome haplotype marker E-M81 in Europe. as well as Haplotype Va. Estimates of Y-Chromosome ancestry vary, with a 2008 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics using 1140 samples from throughout the Iberian peninsula, giving a proportion of 10.6% North African ancestry."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_the_Iberian_Peninsula

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

This admixture wasn't from the empire lmao, it was from the Moors dicking you down. You built an empire on the corpses of millions of less fortunate in different continents, wealth from stealing, thieving and ruining, something many wouldn't be proud of. Or do you see a Gypsy who made his wealth from stealing as a successful man you would want to emulate? When it comes to individual achievements you have 1 Portugese nobel prize winner in STEM field, same as Albanians. Kek

Look at the British if you want to see actual colonial success and not just ruin.

Don't make me laugh whit the successful British colonial empire. Which ex-British colonies are successful? U.S.A., Canada and Australia? Do you wonder why? They genocided nearly all the natives.

The British Empire is responsible for 100+ million deaths during its 200 year domination of the world. More than the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany combined, if you care so much about those atrocities.

Portugal has 4 nobel prize winners, nice try. But who gives a fuck about that genious that pops up once upon a time on a genaration, lets look how the average Portuguese and Albanian\Kosovar does in Math, Science and Reading:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/58471001ba6eb6d3008b7bf9-1200

Portugal above all OECD averages, Kosovo and Albania on same levels of Dominican Republic and worse than Trinidad and Tobago ROTFL! And people dare to doubt that your average IQ really is 82.


I don't even know why you try to so hard. I don't even consider you a real Kosovar-Albanian or whatever you want to call it. Born in Sweden as a Balkan war refugee who can't even speak Albanian and lost all its roots, probably would feel like an alien in its ancestor homeland.

[Albobalboa]

Don't make me laugh whit the successful British colonial empire. Which ex-British colonies are successful? U.S.A., Canada and Australia? Do you wonder why? They genocided nearly all the natives.

The British Empire is responsible for 100+ million deaths during its 200 year domination of the world. More than the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany combined, if you care so much about those atrocities.

Portugal has 4 nobel prize winners, nice try. But who gives a fuck about that genious that pops up once upon a time on a genaration, lets look how the average Portuguese and Albanian\Kosovar does in Math, Science and Reading:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/58471001ba6eb6d3008b7bf9-1200

Portugal above all OECD averages, Kosovo and Albania on same levels of Dominican Republic and worse than Trinidad and Tobago ROTFL! And people dare to doubt that your average IQ really is 82.


I don't even know why you try to so hard. I don't even consider you a real Kosovar-Albanian or whatever you want to call it. Born in Sweden as a Balkan war refugee who can't even speak Albanian and lost all its roots, probably would feel like an alien in its ancestor homeland.

All the test results in the world won't change the fact of actual achievements per capita. That we measure by nobel prizes. Link me those 4 Portugese nobel prize winners in STEM fields.

I couldn't care less about any colonial power, it's robbery on global scale, thieving and abusing. But if we are to rank them at least the British managed to create signficant success.

Let's not act like mass rape is better than just killing them. Plus most of those natives died from diseases.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

And you just changed your Y-DNA from e1b1b to ev-13 xD Insecurity levels breaking off the scale.

[Albobalboa]

And you just changed your Y-DNA from e1b1b to ev-13 xD Insecurity levels breaking off the scale.

That's because I thought it was the opposite in the past, where e1b1b was the European branch. Knowledge is expanding up in this muhfukka.

Imagine how stressed you must feel to notice all the small changes, obsession is real. :D

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

I couldn't care less about any colonial power, it's robbery on global scale, thieving and abusing. But if we are to rank them at least the British managed to create signficant success.

Let's not act like mass rape is better than just killing them. Plus most of those natives died from diseases.

You couldn't care less but your people's History is all about emulating other empires and licking their arses to be accepted by them. That's why you are an alien Muslim majority nation in Europe and your greatest achievements is to be Sultans of Egypt and Ministers of the Ottoman Empire, while embracing their costumes and religion. Even your greatest hero Skanderberg is a cuck born Christian, converted to Islam and then converted to Christianity again. Basically a warrior with no honor ready to sell even his mom if chances are provided. In my opinion it fits well as a Hero of your people.

[Albobalboa]

Iberians on suicide watch

[Albobalboa]

You couldn't care less but your people's History is all about emulating other empires and licking their arses to be accepted by them. That's why you are an alien Muslim majority nation in Europe and your greatest achievements is to be Sultans of Egypt and Ministers of the Ottoman Empire, while embracing their costumes and religion. Even your greatest hero Skanderberg is a cuck born Christian, converted to Islam and then converted to Christianity again. Basically a warrior with no honor ready to sell even his mom if chances are provided. In my opinion it fits well as a Hero of your people.

Ermagherd we r so alien. Who gives a shit :rotfl: I like how you're trying to divert all you can, don't worry I'll bring it back to topic :D

15% recent African admixture boy, speak to me as a son to his father.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

That's because I thought it was the opposite in the past, where e1b1b was the European branch. Knowledge is expanding up in this muhfukka.

Imagine how stressed you must feel to notice all the small changes, obsession is real. :D

I can smell insecurity all over the place. Fact is you have more in common with e1b1b with your balkanigga DNA than I do. And if you think you are so European then lets compare our results, I want to see your Ancient Illyrian from Sweden who can't speak Albanian 60%-70% European admixture.

[Albobalboa]

"To investigate the male genetic legacy of the Arab rule in southern Europe during medieval times, we focused on specific Northwest African haplogroups and identified evolutionary close STR-defined haplotypes in Iberia, Sicily and the Italian peninsula. Our results point to a higher recent Northwest African contribution in Iberia and Sicily in agreement with historical data. southern Italian regions known to have experienced long-term Arab presence also show an enrichment of Northwest African types. The forensic and genomic implications of these findings are discussed."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947089/

B-bu-but Skanderbeg waz kristian n no muzlim mayne!

[Albobalboa]

I can smell insecurity all over the place. Fact is you have more in common with e1b1b with your balkanigga DNA than I do. And if you think you are so European then lets compare our results, I want to see your Ancient Illyrian from Sweden who can't speak Albanian 60%-70% European admixture.

Don't shit your pants, monkey. This is nothing to panic about.

Idgaf about your single results, the results of your people are clear as day. Plus if you've seen me we aren't even to be compared.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Don't shit your pants, monkey. This is nothing to panic about.

Idgaf about your single results, the results of your people are clear as day. Plus if you've seen me we aren't even to be compared.

Of course we can't be compared. Your genotype is at best (and I am being nice here) 70% European, Jewish and Chechen plotting. Phenotype that you care so much has very little to no scientific basis, it is more like a hobby whereas your genotype is what has an impact on your potential IQ and might explain why no matter how Ashkenazim Blonde your people can look, they can't progress from being a shithole for centuries.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Also you must be tripping if you think I would prefer to have a Balkanigga phenotype than my Mediterranean one, lmao. Have you seen how your counterparts look like? Albanian men are by no means regarded as good looking people anywhere in the world, rather the opposite, they have a square headed hooked nose inbred phenotype that can only be found on the region.

https://shkodraloce.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/migjeni-08.jpg

[Albobalboa]

Of course we can't be compared. Your genotype is at best (and I am being nice here) 70% European, Jewish and Chechen plotting. Phenotype that you care so much has very little to no scientific basis, it is more like a hobby whereas your genotype is what has an impact on your potential IQ and might explain why no matter how Ashkenazim Blonde your people can look, they can't progress from being a shithole for centuries.

Yawn. I'm 10 times what you are in real life. PM me some link to some genotype test and get off my dick, monkey.

Here's for a factual discussion, don't let your butthurt get in the way of knowledge.

[Albobalboa]

Now this Iberian homo is talking about good looks, which men he prefers. All we need is Heathers now and they can bond over this :rotfl:

[Tong]

Iberia except the very south is still white, no matter how many retarded memes you make.

[Tong]

Now this Iberian homo is talking about good looks, which men he prefers. All we need is Heathers now and they can bond over this :rotfl:

Lmao a Spaniard can go to your country and easily get a wife if Serbs can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zdNZp6mls

[Albobalboa]

Lmao a Spaniard can go to your country and easily get a wife if Serbs can
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1zdNZp6mls

Are you implying it's difficult to get a wife in England? Lol.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Don't make me laugh whit the successful British colonial empire. Which ex-British colonies are successful? U.S.A., Canada and Australia? Do you wonder why? They genocided nearly all the natives.

The British Empire is responsible for 100+ million deaths during its 200 year domination of the world. More than the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany combined, if you care so much about those atrocities.

Portugal has 4 nobel prize winners, nice try. But who gives a fuck about that genious that pops up once upon a time on a genaration, lets look how the average Portuguese and Albanian\Kosovar does in Math, Science and Reading:

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/58471001ba6eb6d3008b7bf9-1200

Portugal above all OECD averages, Kosovo and Albania on same levels of Dominican Republic and worse than Trinidad and Tobago ROTFL! And people dare to doubt that your average IQ really is 82.


I don't even know why you try to so hard. I don't even consider you a real Kosovar-Albanian or whatever you want to call it. Born in Sweden as a Balkan war refugee who can't even speak Albanian and lost all its roots, probably would feel like an alien in its ancestor homeland.

I've been to the Dominican Republic, it's a beautiful country and more developed than Albania, most South and central American countries are...except Haiti.

[Albobalboa]

I've been to the Dominican Republic, it's a beautiful country and more developed than Albania, most South and central American countries are...except Haiti.

C-c-c-coping.

[Bell Beaker]

The day I will have to post genetic results in order to derail and troll other ethnic groups to feel better about my own ethnicity, because of "African" admixture is the day I'm going to realize that my life failed in every possible way.

Do you really get happy when you come across this results? :confused:

[RN97]

You're right about it.

You can read here the The Population Genomics Of Archaeological Transition In West Iberia, an new report published in May 2017.

In: http://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/10/134254

It analyses the DNA of 14 ancient individuals from Portugal distributed from the Middle Neolithic (4200-3500 BC) to the Middle Bronze Age (1740-1430 BC). All of them have North African components, bringing down the theory that this component is present in Iberia because of the Moors.

Who really cares if it's recent or not? It's there and that's that.... Albanians are ancestrally a whole lot more middle eastern by way of the neolithic farmers by far compared to Iberians. Iberians are the most Euro HG admixed s. Euros.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Who really cares if it's recent or not? It's there and that's that.... Albanians are ancestrally a whole lot more middle eastern by way of the neolithic farmers by far compared to Iberians. Iberians are the most Euro HG admixed s. Euros.

Some of those albo-gyspsies can't simply accept what they are and get insanely butthurt when they see this :


http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/db05317cd2bc4486b9c6986527b8c00b/albanian-men-with-the-magazine-die-woche-1914-h368pw.jpg

https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3745/9436728247_d9b937161a.jpg

http://www.albanianhistory.net/1945_German-Wehrmacht/AH1945_4r_gr.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/34/df/7f/34df7fdce5d8e77e1f77710ca9c75703--albanian-culture-clothing-styles.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/63/c4/6763c451c311fd7b490ee45ea4081ce1.jpg

Turkish (same shit, just the colors change a bit)

http://www.turkishcoffee.us/images/5.jpg

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/turkish-women-traditional-dress-young-old-outdoors-sunlight-56808475.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7f/a6/7e/7fa67e52ad209af4a4e0c5593d3e8e39--armenian-men-armenian-culture.jpg

[Albobalboa]

The day I will have to post genetic results in order to derail and troll other ethnic groups to feel better about my own ethnicity, because of "African" admixture is the day I'm going to realize that my life failed in every possible way.

Do you really get happy when you come across this results? :confused:

They day you posted whining about it should be the day you ended your pathetic existence.

Go ahead, dork.

[Bell Beaker]

Who really cares if it's recent or not? It's there and that's that.... Albanians are ancestrally a whole lot more middle eastern by way of the neolithic farmers by far compared to Iberians. Iberians are the most Euro HG admixed s. Euros.

"Recent" would mean at least a 800 year old ancestry (for Portugal) and can go as far as 1300 years, so it's not so "recent" as other people claim, for example New World people would claim immigrant European ancestry from the late XIX and early XX centuries as "recent" and their Colonial admixture from 300/400 and at best 500 years as "old".

I'm more likely to believe it's a mix of Neolithic and "Al Andalus" admixture. Probably, overall the Neolithic component prevails.

[Albobalboa]

Arguing with pictures, daaaamn that's scientific.

Seems you're getting desperate huh :D

[Albobalboa]

Who really cares if it's recent or not? It's there and that's that.... Albanians are ancestrally a whole lot more middle eastern by way of the neolithic farmers by far compared to Iberians. Iberians are the most Euro HG admixed s. Euros.

There's a big difference. One is from population movement (old) and other is from invading troops or empires (recent).

2euro4me

[Bell Beaker]

They day you posted whining about it should be the day you ended your pathetic existence.

Go ahead, dork.

You live in Multicultural Sweden, you are implying that African (either Berber or SSA) ancestry is inherently bad/inferior and a reason of shame, from the Swedes I've met I would be more likely to believe that you would be deported from there for reproducing Racism and Racial stereotypes than for criminal reasons like rape, assaults or violence. Indocrinated all this years by Swedish education and you still reproduce this kind of stereotypes? Most Swedes would reject you and find you a failed product of the Swedish social experiment. :speechless-smiley-0

[Albobalboa]

You live in Multicultural Sweden, you are implying that African (either Berber or SSA) ancestry is inherently bad/inferior and a reason of shame, from the Swedes I've met I would be more likely to believe that you would be deported from there for reproducing Racism and Racial stereotypes than for criminal reasons like rape, assaults or violence. Indocrinated all this years by Swedish education and you still reproduce this kind of stereotypes? Most Swedes would reject you and find you a failed product of the Swedish social experiment. :speechless-smiley-0

When have I said it was bad? I point it out because the reaction is butthurt from your compatriots. Tell them to stop trying to deny it and the matter is settled.

Why even bring up Sweden you cornball? I really don't get what your point is. If you can't argue with facts to prove something wrong here, then don't bother.

If you don't have anything against the African genetic mark in Iberia then wtf is the problem? Why are you and your compatriots crying in page after page? Accept it and move on kiddo

[Bell Beaker]

When have I said it was bad? I point it out because the reaction is butthurt from your compatriots. Tell them to stop trying to deny it and the matter is settled.

Why even bring up Sweden you cornball? I really don't get what your point is. If you can't argue with facts, prove something wrong here, then don't bother.

If you don't have anything against the African genetic mark in Iberia then wtf is the problem? Why are you and your compatriots crying in page after page? Accept it and move on kiddo

Am I crying for something? I'm only a bit tired of these kind of threads because they are either repetitive or annoying and they always end up in the same way, it's like a vicious cycle don't you get it? Is that the only way you have to "target" Portuguese and Spaniards here? You could have pick a million things but you decided to bring up these stupid issues agian that are a bit pointless to discuss when the only point of it is to "humilliate" certain groups of people because of their ancestry make up.

Congrutalions you just reached the bottom of life, well I'm not so sure about it, seems like your "ethnic compatriots" always like to dig up a little bit more...... :lightbul:

[Albobalboa]

Am I crying for something? I'm only a bit tired of these kind of threads because they are either repetitive or annoying and they always end up in the same way, it's like a vicious cycle don't you get it? Is that the only way you have to "target" Portuguese and Spaniards here? You could have pick a million things but you decided to bring up these stupid issues agian that are a bit pointless to discuss when the only point of it is to "humilliate" certain groups of people because of their ancestry make up.

Congrutalions you just reached the bottom of life, well I'm not so sure about it, seems like your "ethnic compatriots" always like to dig up a little bit more...... :lightbul:

You just described TA in general. It's a fun pastime, combine it with podcasts, good snacks and you've got yourself a good setting.

Reason I picked Iberians is because they are the most amusing at the moment. You've got some members with huge personal complexes which are easy to target. Sorry.

You reached the bottom of life a long time ago, now you're whining on TA about how certain topics shouldn't be discussed. Shut up.

[RN97]

There's a big difference. One is from population movement (old) and other is from invading troops or empires (recent).

2euro4me

Not such a big difference as you think. The moors went there, conquered Iberia and mixed with the locals. Most of it was likely not rape, but they had the power so they were probably seen as desirable in that time. The middle eastern farmers went there and brought farming in exchange for dem Euro HG wimminz. You can "cope" as you say, all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that genetically you'd be closer to a middle easterner than a Iberian person.
https://i.imgur.com/1IjcAi5.jpg
And again, you're arguing genetics. If you want to claim to not have a linage that has been forcibly mixed, then fine. However genetics don't really mix with that conversation. That's more about history.

[Dema]

You just described TA in general. It's a fun pastime, combine it with podcasts, good snacks and you've got yourself a good setting.

Reason I picked Iberians is because they are the most amusing at the moment. You've got some members with huge personal complexes which are easy to target. Sorry.

You reached the bottom of life a long time ago, now you're whining on TA about how certain topics shouldn't be discussed. Shut up.


You dont have to give any excesses to this fat ugly Mexican looking creature...

[Bell Beaker]

You just described TA in general. It's a fun pastime, combine it with podcasts, good snacks and you've got yourself a good setting.

Reason I picked Iberians is because they are the most amusing at the moment. You've got some members with huge personal complexes which are easy to target. Sorry.

You reached the bottom of life a long time ago, now you're whining on TA about how certain topics shouldn't be discussed. Shut up.

:lol:

Now you made me laugh, huge personal complexes? That's why you have 20 or 30 Albanians active only on this forum, go figure the self haters who are in every Youtube video whinning about anything, the only person easily triggered here is you, who end up starting a thread about Iberians, but do you really think that we like to talk about your kind of people? Pastime? We are a not like a bunch of unemployed immigrants in a alien country like you and the majority of your ethnic companions who don't even have the decency of leaving this forum for giving their best to their countries of birth or of origin, they love to spend their time and energy in stupid cicle jerk discussions like these thread, but you are the typical guys who can only talk, you talk too much you should turn off your laptop and stop discussing ethnic rivalries and stealing other's peoples history like you all like to do, you are in this forum for 1 year and with half of my posts and I'm here for the triple of the time, so you should consider a new more entertaining hobby because this one is not going to take Albania from the shithole that indeed is turned into.

[Bell Beaker]

You dont have to give any excesses to this fat ugly Mexican looking creature...

And I don't have to deal with the bad trips of a drug addicted guy like you, do I? :lightbul:

[Sebastianus Rex]

Arguing with pictures, daaaamn that's scientific.

Seems you're getting desperate huh :D

For some reason you albo-gypsies chimp out when pictures of you are posted. :thumb001:

What scientific discussion do you want to engage ? Trolling is extremely hilarious when 25% of your population has an african haplogroup and almost the same a middle-eastern one. :lol:

Autistic arabo-turkish fart, it's extremely amusing seeing you getting mad dog butthurt when you see your own people.:victory0:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/03/04/world/04kosovo.600.jpg

http://oi31.tinypic.com/w8uw4g.jpg

Accept it, you are not European and others don't perceive you as European, accept the fact and live with it. At least show a little proud of what you are, instead of that constant denial and self-hating pathetic butthurt dysplay, it's pitiful to see your complete lack of self-awarness and of identity. :picard1:

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Mozabites are an Berber ethnic group. Mbuti/Yoruba are North Western Africans.Mbuti and yoruba are not north west africans. Yoruba homeland is nigeria. Mbuti are central africans. They speak central sudanic language which is related nilosaharan and they speak bantu

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://s26.postimg.org/ukrqqkdsp/SI-40-1-mistake3_2.jpg

And to think that this thread started because of the new Cristiano Viejo signature :lol: Easiest ethnicity to get triggered in TA by far. Ironically this image is an accurate portrait of Albanian behavior in this forum. You just have to replace the Iberian Conquistador by an Greek or Serbian when it suits.

[Dema]

And I don't have to deal with the bad trips of a drug addicted guy like you, do I? :lightbul:

HaHa i admitted that i smoked cannabis but does that make me a drug addict? I dont even drink alcohol and not to mention other drugs...

All American presidents practically smoked cannabis, its like White House ritual...



While you had romantic relationship with Rainbowmimi and you are Mexican looking fat weirdo lol..

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Not such a big difference as you think. The moors went there, conquered Iberia and mixed with the locals. Most of it was likely not rape, but they had the power so they were probably seen as desirable in that time. The middle eastern farmers went there and brought farming in exchange for dem Euro HG wimminz. You can "cope" as you say, all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that genetically you'd be closer to a middle easterner than a Iberian person.
https://i.imgur.com/1IjcAi5.jpg
And again, you're arguing genetics. If you want to claim to not have a linage that has been forcibly mixed, then fine. However genetics don't really mix with that conversation. That's more about history.

Bullshit. Albanians are the ultimate pure breed in Europe. They have 60% pure European admixture but it doesn't matter because the other 40% is a zillion years ancient, just like their 40% MENA and Slavic haplogroups.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRSmmY1WcAAfqC-.jpg


Zero overlap with middle-easterners and gypsies.

According to Albobalboa's own words, there's nothing exotic about this guy, he is textbook Albanian in features and not exotic at all in the region.

http://portalb.mk/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Naser-Aliji-n---Tiran--.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

HaHa i admitted that i smoked cannabis but does that make me a drug addict? I dont even drink alcohol and not to mention other drugs...

All American presidents practically smoked cannabis, its like White House ritual...



While you had romantic relationship with Rainbowmimi and you are Mexican looking fat weirdo lol..

You have admited in this forum to do drugs in front of your kids, which is a degenerate gypsy behavior that not even a Mexican cartel warlord would do, family comes always first in the Iberian-Latino sphere, you can even confirm it in series like Narcos ;) Plus your wife is ethnic Slavic Croatian and your daughter is half Albanian\Slav, just gimme a break about admixture already. "Muh pure Ancient Illyrian bloodline with J2 haplogroup peaking in Syria and Chechenia".

[Bell Beaker]

HaHa i admitted that i smoked cannabis but does that make me a drug addict? I dont even drink alcohol and not to mention other drugs...

All American presidents practically smoked cannabis, its like White House ritual...



While you had romantic relationship with Rainbowmimi and you are Mexican looking fat weirdo lol..
:jump0000::lol00002:

I'm really imaginating George Washington smoking a joint in the White house while having a meeting with the Fouding Fathers to decide if they are going to proclaim their independence to the British.

You didn't have to talk too much to show me the extent of the damage that all those years of drug addiction have done to your peanut brain.

What's the problem with Rainbowmimi? Were you one of the freaks who sent him nudes like a fucking pervert? :jump0000:

If you didn't you can always thank me, because it was me who discovered the truth about her/him, if it wasn't me you would have probably joined the army of imbeciles who sent dick pics to him thinking that he was a Celto-Germanic innocent woman. :rotfl

[Dema]

Bullshit. Albanians are the ultimate pure breed in Europe.



haha butthurt is real !

you dont want me to start pulling out Portuguese examples..



Here is tipical Portuguese Junkey face...

This guy says: we used to be outcasts but since they allowed heroin and all drugs in Portugal we are accepted now hahahahahahahaha

Im not shitting you..

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PbWpXYOg4OQ/maxresdefault.jpg


https://sensiseeds.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Legal-Status-of-Cannabis-in-Portugal-1.jpg

[Laberia]

It could be also because of high homosexuality rate in Iberia..

Every year there is Gay Pride in Barcelona, im sure Cristiano Viejo is in first rows :)

http://rainbowbarcelona.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Gay-Pride-Barcelona-2017-2.png

http://actividadesparagays.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Barcelona-Circuit-Festival-2015.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6004/5913609018_66c90482ec_b.jpg

Agree. But we have to remember also an another phenomenon, widespread in Iberberia, the incest. It's a national sport, an important tradition for this region, protected by Law. This people, after the famous siesta, literally sodomise their moms, sisters, daughters, in this family reunion. Unbelievable.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PbWpXYOg4OQ/maxresdefault.jpg


Thing is, that's not an ethnic Portuguese. Clearly an immigrant and everybody knows that. I know it is hard for your small 82 IQ brain to understand that Portugal only lost their former African colonies in 1974 and that we have immigrants because there isn't such thing in Albania since no sane person would immigrate to there. Where's your excuse for the exotic faces of 100% native ethnic Albanians being posted in here?

[Dema]

:jump0000::lol00002:

I'm really imaginating George Washington smoking a joint in the White house while having a meeting with the Fouding Fathers to decide if they are going to proclaim their independence to the British.

You didn't have to talk too much to show me the extent of the damage that all those years of drug addiction have done to your peanut brain.

What's the problem with Rainbowmimi? Were you one of the freaks who sent him nudes like a fucking pervert? :jump0000:

If you didn't you can always thank me, because it was me who discovered the truth about her/him, if it wasn't me you would have probably joined the army of imbeciles who sent dick pics to him thinking that he was a Celto-Germanic innocent woman. :rotfl


Look fat Mexican weirdo,

this is why i call you Mexican, i dont know have you read comic books and do you know Zagor.


But there is one guy in Zagor comic book his name is Chico and he looks just like you:

http://www.stripovi.com/images/ZG_LUCI_8x.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hr/f/f5/Chico.JPG



https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/0/1504/923707-cikoyb1.jpg

http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Archive/images/2009/05/05/scena/cico.jpg






HHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH HAHA CHICO!!!!!!!!!!

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Agree. But we have to remember also an another phenomenon, widespread in Iberberia, the incest. It's a national sport, an important tradition for this region, protected by Law. This people, after the famous siesta, literally sodomise their moms, sisters, daughters, in this family reunion. Unbelievable.

Meanwhile in the real world:

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe-d.png

[Sebastianus Rex]

Agree. But we have to remember also an another phenomenon, widespread in Iberberia, the incest. It's a national sport, an important tradition for this region, protected by Law. This people, after the famous siesta, literally sodomise their moms, sisters, daughters, in this family reunion. Unbelievable.

Another masterpiece of self-denial. It's hillarious, Alibalbanians pathetically attempt to troll others about things they far exceed:

1. Talk about African genetics in Iberia but they are the ones who present the highest frequency of an african haplogroup.

2. Talk about Moors/Arabs in Iberia but they far exceed in having middle-easter haplogroups, plot genetically closer to middle easterns and have a turco-arabic culture and religion.

3. Accuse Iberians of incest while they are the most inbred population in Europe.

https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/inbreeding-gradient-europe-d.png


One word : AUTISM ... IQ 82

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Look fat Mexican weirdo,


You surely think too high of yourself considering you have classical balloon-square head skull shape and traits only to be found in Albania and Kosovo in Europe due to centuries of heavy inbreeding, or how do you explain such phenotype? Is it Aryan?

https://tmssl.akamaized.net//images/portrait/originals/159288-1449138505.jpg

https://www.mekulipress.info/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/14310332_10210011774306478_5457222185303542904_o-480x580.jpg

https://shkodraloce.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/migjeni-08.jpg

[Dema]

You surely think too high of yourself considering you have classical balloon-square head skull shape and traits only to be found in Albania and Kosovo in Europe due to centuries of heavy inbreeding, or how do you explain such phenotype? Is it Aryan?

https://tmssl.akamaized.net//images/portrait/originals/159288-1449138505.jpg





TBH i resample with that guy just as much you do with this Portuguese , regarding features and head shape, also you are not that far away in skin tone:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PbWpXYOg4OQ/maxresdefault.jpg

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

TBH i resample with that guy just as much you do with this Portuguese , regarding features and head shape, also you are not that far away in skin tone

You wish, though you genetically are more alien to Europe than both.

[-Scar-]

You guys sound so pathethic.

[Dema]

Agree. But we have to remember also an another phenomenon, widespread in Iberberia, the incest. It's a national sport, an important tradition for this region, protected by Law. This people, after the famous siesta, literally sodomise their moms, sisters, daughters, in this family reunion. Unbelievable.


I dont know did they get that custom from Berbers or Habsburgs, since Habsburgs also ruled Iberia for 200 years, after Berbers..

Habsburgs were famous for their incestuous family traits..

https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-and-Disorders

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Xi6SZz6ZA0I/T6O8v48jjpI/AAAAAAAAE6c/NK-TABFhHGI/s1600/image_large.jpg

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4858e9039e4bd5561605fac77ffa8e8a-c

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GRcoPV2LoAk/U9v0o93BcHI/AAAAAAAAg9I/n1pfH_zkfUM/s1600/Picture+157.jpg

[Friends of Oliver Society]

"Recent Mitochondrial DNA studies coincide in that the Iberian Peninsula holds higher levels of typically North African Haplotype U6, as well as higher frequencies of Sub-Saharan African Haplogroup L. However, high frequencies are largely concentrated in the west and south of the Iberian peninsula and therefore overall frequency is higher in Portugal (5.83%) than in Spain (2.9%) with a mean frequency for the entire peninsula of 3.83%. There is considerable geographic divergence across the peninsula with high frequencies observed for South West Castile (18%), Southern Portugal (10.80%), Central Portugal (9.70%), Western Andalusia (14.6%)[41] and Córdoba (8.30%)."

Facts derived from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...rian_Peninsula - Sources in link.

So a good question would be, how come Iberians were such good recipients of recent NWA penis? 5-10% is pretty fucking high, imagine how many Iberian women it would take to impregnate to leave a clear mark on the population for hundreds of years even after the Moors were "driven out".

A better question would be if you know what Mitochondrial DNA is?

One thing I notice about Albanian males on this forum is this obsession with women and domination of women. Every insult to other ethnic groups is "your women got fucked by..." and "you're not as pure as us." Meanwhile you cause problems where ever you go.

It shows a difference in values: the superficial over what matters most in society. Many moons ago there was a thread that offered a scenario and a question: would you turn in a relative who committed a murder and ran to you for help? The Albanians who posted there said they would not. I was shocked. They murdered someone. How do you ignore the fact they just killed someone? Now I could understand if it was in self defense but that wasn't the scenario. All that was known is they came to you covered in blood asking for your help. I come from a culture where consequences have to be accepted. If you did wrong you must man up and accept responsibility. You don't get a pass because you happen to be a relative. Blood means nothing. Behavior means everything. The shame doesn't come from turning your back on a relative. It comes from that relative being a piece of shit and people associating that relative with you and your family.

There is no shame in having ancestry from any part of the world. That doesn't involve behavior. There is shame in coming from a community that has anti-social behavior patterns and not doing anything about it (speaking out, etc.) but instead promoting those anti-social values.

[Dema]

A better question would be if you know what Mitochondrial DNA is?

One thing I notice about Albanian males on this forum is this obsession with women and domination of women. Every insult to other ethnic groups is "your women got fucked by..." and "you're not as pure as us." Meanwhile you cause problems where ever you go.

It shows a difference in values: the superficial over what matters most in society. Many moons ago there was a thread that offered a scenario and a question: would you turn in a relative who committed a murder and ran to you for help? The Albanians who posted there said they would not. I was shocked. They murdered someone. How do you ignore the fact they just killed someone? Now I could understand if it was in self defense but that wasn't the scenario. All that was known is they came to you covered in blood asking for your help. I come from a culture where consequences have to be accepted. If you did wrong you must man up and accept responsibility. You don't get a pass because you happen to be a relative. Blood means nothing. Behavior means everything. The shame doesn't come from turning your back on a relative. It comes from that relative being a piece of shit and people associating that relative with you and your family.

There is no shame in having ancestry from any part of the world. That doesn't involve behavior. There is shame in coming from a community that has anti-social behavior patterns and not doing anything about it (speaking out, etc.) but instead promoting those anti-social values.

Stop pretending that you are giving neutral comments, everyone knows how much you dislike Albanians and you went so far that you even opened a thread where you apologize to Serbs for USA bombing them...


You should not talk about things that you have 0 experience with and that you only heard something about on tv...

[zarzian]

New expansion of Age of Empires is out, African kingdoms xD



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Hey I love that game lol

[Laberia]

Meanwhile in the real world:

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Another masterpiece of self-denial. It's hillarious, Alibalbanians pathetically attempt to troll others about things they far exceed:

1. Talk about African genetics in Iberia but they are the ones who present the highest frequency of an african haplogroup.

2. Talk about Moors/Arabs in Iberia but they far exceed in having middle-easter haplogroups, plot genetically closer to middle easterns and have a turco-arabic culture and religion.

3. Accuse Iberians of incest while they are the most inbred population in Europe.

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One word : AUTISM ... IQ 82

What you both consider real world? What you both consider AUTISM ... IQ 82? What you have posted here is a piece of paper usefull only in toilet. It`s very simple. If i start to ask you about this map, at the second question you will fail to give an answer. The reason are two. First, what you have posted here, as i said, is a just a piece if paper without any scientific value. And second, because both you are retards. And it`s high probabile that responsabile for your stupidity is exactly this tradition that exist among your people, the incest.
From the other side, i can prove my claim. Read here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217404-Incest-a-taboo-that-is-not-a-crime-in-Spain&highlight=Incest).
Everything is explained in details. And here we are not talking about blogers. I have explained this tradition in your penisula from a historical point of view, how much was this phenomen spread among the nobilty. How much is spread among the common people. And how is protected by Law this tradition in your penisula. And,this is important, i can answer to the question, i don`t run like a beaten dog, like Veijeriartioy. That`s it.

[Laberia]

I want to repeat this question:

Thanks for the answer Viriato. Let me understand, this mean that around 15% of Iberians is of African origine?

I am refering to this part of study:

"A similar 2014 study by Lazaridis et al. found an average African admixture of 14.8% (12.6% Mozabite and 2.2% Mbuti/Yoruba) in the Y-DNA markers of the Spanish population, suggesting that gene flow from Sub-Saharan and North African populations has occurred in the Spanish sample."
Can someone explain this?

[Lavrentis]

Here is how it is guys. You have the highest West Asian and Middle Eastern scores in Greek Islands and S Italy/Sicily/Malta.

I'm pretty sure that there's more West Asian/Middle Eastern in northern Greece than in Greek islands.

I will explain why: There was a population exchange between Greece and Turkey, Turks from Greece were sent to Turkey and christians from Turkey were sent to Greece. These christians were in majority genetically Anatolian locals. Most of them were settled in northern Greece. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

Some of them were settled in the Greek islands too, so that explains some things. West Asian admixture in Greece islands is probably recent, and from these refugees.

Btw, I hope that when you say "Greek islands" you don't mean Cuprus, because Cyrpus is neither a part of Greece and neither do the Cyrpiots cluster genetically close to Greeks.

[Sebastianus Rex]

What you both consider real world? What you both consider AUTISM ... IQ 82? What you have posted here is a piece of paper usefull only in toilet. It`s very simple. If i start to ask you about this map, at the second question you will fail to give an answer. The reason are two. First, what you have posted here, as i said, is a just a piece if paper without any scientific value. And second, because both you are retards. And it`s high probabile that responsabile for your stupidity is exactly this tradition that exist among your people, the incest.
From the other side, i can prove my claim. Read here (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?217404-Incest-a-taboo-that-is-not-a-crime-in-Spain&highlight=Incest).
Everything is explained in details. And here we are not talking about blogers. I have explained this tradition in your penisula from a historical point of view, how much was this phenomen spread among the nobilty. How much is spread among the common people. And how is protected by Law this tradition in your penisula. And,this is important, i can answer to the question, i don`t run like a beaten dog, like Veijeriartioy. That`s it.

It's well known that inbreding causes serious brain incapacities, apart from an obvious low IQ you also suffer from autism and a dysfunctional visual cortex.

Did you wrote that interesting theory after raping your sister, your mother or the goat destined to be killed during the Ramadan ?

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[Diocleatian204]

Because it was the Moors called the Al-Andalus.

They were mixed with Moroccan Arabs and Berbers.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Because it was the Moors called the Al-Andalus.

They were mixed with Moroccan Arabs and Berbers.

Says the inbred offspring of Turkic-Arabic rapings.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Stop pretending that you are giving neutral comments, everyone knows how much you dislike Albanians and you went so far that you even opened a thread where you apologize to Serbs for USA bombing them...

I didn't realize I should be happy about bombing a country in an illegal action. A country that did nothing to Americans. An illegal bombing done for the reason that they weren't willing to allow the largest US/NATO military base in their background. If Russians, Chinese, etc. tell me they're going to build a large base in my backyard and that my laws won't apply to them, I'd give them a big fuck you.

Btw, in that thread I was thanking them for saving the lives of roughly 500 American servicemen. We shamefully threw these people who risked their lives for American servicemen under the bus.

I just felt I need to give context to your bias interpretation, especially since nothing about Serbs was said by me here but they're brought by you because you think it nullifies the reality of what I said about Albanian communities in other countries having serious problems. It's not a fantasy of mine and it's not a bias. It's simply reality.



You should not talk about things that you have 0 experience with and that you only heard something about on tv...

You mean like the news? I prefer checking the news and looking at statistics when available than experiencing criminality first hand. I have an aversion towards being stabbed or shot.

[Sacrificed Ram]

These people say a lot of things and forget that rape also means fornication and adultery, sins penalized with death in islam.

Some NA genetics in Iberia just means the success of covertion of muslims to christianism.

[ADonkeyBrain]

You're right about it.

Ignoring the Albanian trolling, it does seem that Iberians (perhaps except Basques) have some post-Neolithic "Near Eastern" (i.e. Iran/Caucasus-heavy) ancestry compared to the Bronze Age Iberian samples which I suppose might have arrived with any number of peoples there after the Bronze Age. Of course, as pointed out and is noticeable on the PCA cline too, it's much lower than in the Balkans (even the ancient Balkans) where it seems to have been present since the Bronze Age (see the already well-analyzed Mycenaean samples and the ADMIXTURE runs of the still unpublished samples in the Mathieson paper) and seems it might have increased a bit too since then. Also, as you said, ties between Iberia and North Africa are old as well and even mtDNA L was found in ancient Iberia (I forget the sample though).


I'm pretty sure that there's more West Asian/Middle Eastern in northern Greece than in Greek islands.

I will explain why: There was a population exchange between Greece and Turkey, Turks from Greece were sent to Turkey and christians from Turkey were sent to Greece. These christians were in majority genetically Anatolian locals. Most of them were settled in northern Greece. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

Some of them were settled in the Greek islands too, so that explains some things. West Asian admixture in Greece islands is probably recent, and from these refugees.

Btw, I hope that when you say "Greek islands" you don't mean Cuprus, because Cyrpus is neither a part of Greece and neither do the Cyrpiots cluster genetically close to Greeks.

Lolno, the Minoans already had a decent amount of this type of ancestry and modern Cretans have even more - and trust me, it's not due to post-Lausanne immigrants. Similarly the vast majority of those 'recent refugees' were Greek mainlanders and islanders, as I've already pointed out to you, so a lot of them had much less 'near eastern' ancestry than Cretans do. Cretans are basically one step removed from Cypriots genetically, and they similarly received the Greek language from the mainland in the Bronze Age. You'll have to deal with this at some point.

[Lavrentis]

Lolno, the Minoans already had a decent amount of this type of ancestry and modern Cretans have even more - and trust me, it's not due to post-Lausanne immigrants. Similarly the vast majority of those 'recent refugees' were Greek mainlanders and islanders, as I've already pointed out to you, so a lot of them had much less 'near eastern' ancestry than Cretans do. Cretans are basically one step removed from Cypriots genetically, and they similarly received the Greek language from the mainland in the Bronze Age. You'll have to deal with this at some point.

Where are your sources about Cretans being "one step removed from Cypriots genetically" ? That's all I am going to ask because the rest of your post reeks of nonsense and butthurtness.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

These people say a lot of things and forget that rape also means fornication and adultery, sins penalized with death in islam.

Some NA genetics in Iberia just means the success of covertion of muslims to christianism.Yes, but iberians will never accept this because its means berber ancestry.

[Nico Nobrix]

Nah, I just copy\pasted it from another post that I had done in another thread and we were talking specifically about Spain. Portuguese SSA average is 0.85%. Mine is 0% on K15 and 0.43% on K13.

I agree with your questioning of this 7.1% sub saharan fairy tale wikipedia copy/paste. I am a native portuguese, on GEDmatch calculators I score within 3-6 on the distance which anything less than 5 is considered a native, and I get 2.5-4% subsaharan at the very most across all the calculators. I am as dark as a Portuguese can get. I have never met a darker native Portuguese than myself, and I have met hundreds growing up. Therefore this 7% sub saharan they claim is way way too high if I am scoring less than 4% sub saharan on Dodecade and Eurogenes calculators, because believe me, I am dark

[Nico Nobrix]

Thing is, that's not an ethnic Portuguese. Clearly an immigrant and everybody knows that. I know it is hard for your small 82 IQ brain to understand that Portugal only lost their former African colonies in 1974 and that we have immigrants because there isn't such thing in Albania since no sane person would immigrate to there. Where's your excuse for the exotic faces of 100% native ethnic Albanians being posted in here?

Everyone does know that Spain and Portugal has the highest levels of Northern European Atlantic and Baltic DNA in Southern Europe right? Even more than in Northern Italy...yeah its 50% on average between Spain and Portugal. None of you racist fools will even do your research. Didn't want to have to mention that but its true. in comparison English have 75% Northern European and Germans 70%

Put it this way, a lot of you are so damn racist that your segregating white people by their distinctive countries. You people are the reason why we have to deal with peer pressure of political correctness even though most of us are not even racist

[rein]

Iberians have very little SSA.

[rein]

I agree with your questioning of this 7.1% sub saharan fairy tale wikipedia copy/paste. I am a native portuguese, on GEDmatch calculators I score within 3-6 on the distance which anything less than 5 is considered a native, and I get 2.5-4% subsaharan at the very most across all the calculators. I am as dark as a Portuguese can get. I have never met a darker native Portuguese than myself, and I have met hundreds growing up. Therefore this 7% sub saharan they claim is way way too high if I am scoring less than 4% sub saharan on Dodecade and Eurogenes calculators, because believe me, I am dark

Yeah 4% SSA is higher than average.

[Cristiano viejo]

Iberians have very little SSA.

Show me some dna tests of Spaniards with SSA. Canarians dont count, obviously.

[rein]

Show me some dna tests of Spaniards with SSA. Canarians dont count, obviously.

Maybe later. There was a thread on 23andmeforums detailing this.

[rein]

Show me some dna tests of Spaniards with SSA. Canarians dont count, obviously.

An interesting website compiling what Iberians score on 23andme in different regions. Click on the map to explore individual components.
http://iberiandna.com

[Cristiano viejo]

An interesting website compiling what Iberians score on 23andme in different regions. Click on the map to explore individual components.
http://iberiandna.com

I am doing and score 0,0% :rolleyes:

[rein]

I am doing and score 0,0% :rolleyes:

:thumb001:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I am doing and score 0,0% :rolleyes:

You never did the test but if you have you've never posted your results. In fact, I remember you saying it wasn't necessary for you to take it.

[Cristiano viejo]

You never did the test but if you have you've never posted your results. In fact, I remember you saying it wasn't necessary for you to take it.

Hey, Galician witch, go out of this conversation. You even dont know what we are talking about.

[StonyArabia]

Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat’s blood is not red but blue. The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback. They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin—proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy—Robert Lacey, Aristocr

[Arch Hades]

Instead of copy/pasting write ups of studies from Wikipedia, why not copy past from the study itself? Then we can take a more thorough look.There's no way Spaniards are 7% Sub-Saharan. That's a joke.

[Cristiano viejo]

Instead of copy/pasting write ups of studies from Wikipedia, why not copy past from the study itself? Then we can take a more thorough look.There's no way Spaniards are 7% Sub-Saharan. That's a joke.

Not even 1%, except Canarians.

[Albobalboa]

Instead of copy/pasting write ups of studies from Wikipedia, why not copy past from the study itself? Then we can take a more thorough look.There's no way Spaniards are 7% Sub-Saharan. That's a joke.

Who's stopping you? I'm not going to go through the process of individually assessing every single study. I gave you the relevant info with the sources, you can check it out if you don't believe it.

Spaniards found a way to get 7% SSA. Call it a Spanish Miracle, if you will.

[Cristiano viejo]

Spaniards found a way to get 7% SSA.

Continue dreaming, Albrownian.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Hey, Galician witch, go out of this conversation. You even dont know what we are talking about.

I know that you are pretending that you scored 0,0% on whatever. You have never taken the 23andme test or any other genetics test. You have said you didn't have to do so. Now you're saying you have results.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Who's stopping you? I'm not going to go through the process of individually assessing every single study. I gave you the relevant info with the sources, you can check it out if you don't believe it.

Spaniards found a way to get 7% SSA. Call it a Spanish Miracle, if you will.

Dude, you used studies that are over ten years old. Studies that haven't been validated as the process has become more sophisticated. You made this thread because someone upset you.

And I've never seen a Spaniard score 7% SSA.

[Albobalboa]

Dude, you used studies that are over ten years old. Studies that haven't been validated as the process has become more sophisticated. You made this thread because someone upset you.

And I've never seen a Spaniard score 7% SSA.

I've seen 7% SSA Spaniards in real life.

Go do your own studies then. I went to the wiki page and I took the relevant parts. I'm not gonna dedicate my life to researching 7%+ SSA Iberians.

[Cristiano viejo]

I know that you are pretending that you scored 0,0% on whatever. You have never taken the 23andme test or any other genetics test. You have said you didn't have to do so. Now you're saying you have results.

No, idiot. Rein posted a page with Spanish dna tests of 23andme and told me that click on the map to see the results. Then I said him I was doing (clicking on the map) and that (they) scored 0% :picard1:

Put your Galician nose in your business, idk, about if Trumps wins in the Congress or something, because you are very lost :rolleyes:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat’s blood is not red but blue. The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback. They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin—proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy—Robert Lacey, Aristocr

God bless them for freeing Iberia from the Muslim yoke.

Spain in 2018

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Iraq in 2018

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2014/6/16/201461681512333734_20.jpg

[Cristiano viejo]

I've seen 7% SSA Spaniards in real life.


Yeah and I have seen 27% SSA Albrownians in real life :rolleyes:

Well, being honest, scoring 30-40% African e1b1 is more than enough :laugh:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

No, idiot. Rein posted a page with Spanish dna tests of 23andme and told me that click on the map to see the results. Then I said him I was doing (clicking on the map) and that (they) scored 0% :picard1:

How am I the idiot? You're the one who can't write proper English.


Put your Galician nose in your business, idk, about if Trumps wins in the Congress or something, because you are very lost :rolleyes:

Learn to communicate in English beyond the level of a 2nd grader. How can I lose when no one can understand what you write half the time? Over ten years on English language forums and you write like you're mentally challenged.

[Cristiano viejo]

How am I the idiot? You're the one who can't write proper English.



Learn to communicate in English beyond the level of a 2nd grader.

This has nothing to do with knowing English, loser. What I wrote was perfectly readable... except for idiots like you who put their noses in the conversations of other and are very lost, as you showed.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I've seen 7% SSA Spaniards in real life.

Oh, in real life. What does that even mean? You were at a beach and your powers of observation trumped DNA tests when you saw a Spaniard walk by and remembered how a Spaniard online upset you?


Go do your own studies then. I went to the wiki page and I took the relevant parts. I'm not gonna dedicate my life to researching 7%+ SSA Iberians.

I have seen the studies and hence why I and others called out your bullshit. You're upset and being upset made you dishonest.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

This has nothing to do with knowing English, loser. What I wrote was perfectly readable... except for idiots like you who put their noses in the conversations of other and are very lost, as you showed.

It has everything to do with knowing English. People have difficulty following what you are trying to say half the time.

You calling anyone a loser is hysterical. Try to get a job in Spain with your crappy English. If I was a potential employer and discovered your English doesn't improve from that of a 2nd grader after ten years on English speaking forums I'd move on to the next applicant. What your failure tells me is you don't have the ability to improve and as a potential employer I'd want people who are always improving.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Thread: New African Admixture in Iberia
watch your English: when you saw a Spaniard WALKS. You are welcome, bruja gallega

lolz, CV. My English is correct. WALKS is incorrect.

[Cristiano viejo]

It has everything to do with knowing English. People have difficulty following what you are trying to say half the time.

You calling anyone a loser is hysterical. Try to get a job in Spain with your crappy English. If I was a potential employer and discovered your English doesn't improve from that of a 2nd grader after ten years on English speaking forums I'd move on to the next applicant. What your failure tells me is you don't have the ability to improve and as a potential employer I'd want people who are always improving.

Bah, the excuse of English will not work to you now. You tried to put your nose in the conversation and obviously you lacked information and did not know what we were talking about and thought I was referring to myself :laugh:

And, oh boy, you can bet your broom to that I earn more money than you, even with my adorable English :thumb001:

[Cristiano viejo]

lolz, CV. My English is correct. WALKS is incorrect.

Not true. Third person = a final S.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Not true. Third person = a final S.

Dude, you write in crappy English. Even you know that. I don't write in crappy English (except when I write in an east coast street manner but I'm aware). Which of us is most likely to be correct?

[Cristiano viejo]

Dude, you write in crappy English. Even you know that. I don't write in crappy English (except when I write in an east coast street manner but I'm aware). Which of us is most likely to be correct?

I. It is walks. Leave the broom, be a man for once and admit.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Bah, the excuse of English will not work to you now. You tried to put your nose in the conversation and obviously you lacked information and did not know what we were talking about and thought I was referring to myself :laugh:

And, oh boy, you can bet your broom to that I earn more money than you, even with my adorable English :thumb001:

I'd put good money on that bet. You're an idiot who lives in the middle of no where. I live in the NYC metro area. Rent itself in this area would probably take 2/3 of your salary.

My 'excuse' works perfectly. I also have no doubt that more than half the posters on this forum are usually confused by your posts. All they can get out of it is a basic idea they can respond.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I. It is walks. Leave the broom, be a man for once and admit.

No, it's not. This is why your English never improves. Be a man and take English courses instead of annoying everyone with your retarded English.

[Cristiano viejo]

I'd put good money on that bet. You're an idiot who lives in the middle of no where. I live in the NYC metro area. Rent itself in this area would probably take 2/3 of your salary.
You would lose. Living in the Jew York area means nothing. There must be more poor people in JY than in all Castilla y León :thumb001:


My 'excuse' works perfectly. I also have no doubt that more than half the posters on this forum are always confused by your posts. All they can get out of it is a basic idea.
hahaha, that made me laugh :lol: that is the idea, witch, that is the idea :lol:

You did not know to interpret our conversation. You tried to be a Mr Know It All and only showed how much idiot you are ;)

[Cristiano viejo]

No, it's not. This is why your English never improves. Be a man and take English courses instead of annoying everyone with your retarded English.

Yes, it is. Third person = a final S. Even a Galician immigrant like you should know this.

All your life living in USA and writing such bad English :picard1: this is the really serious thing :picard1:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You would lose. Living in the Jew York area means nothing. There must be more poor people in JY than in all Castilla y León :thumb001:

Poor in the NYC area is well off in most parts of the world. Poor in the NYC is better off than poor in your neck of the woods. They're poor because of living expenses. What is the average rent in the middle of no where Castilla y Leon? I know what rent goes for in Spain. I know of Americans with modest means who have bought homes on the Andalusian coast what they couldn't dream of buying on the Jersey shore.

What is the average rent in your area?



hahaha, that made me laugh :lol: that is the idea, witch, that is the idea :lol:

You did not know to interpret our conversation. You tried to be a Mr Know It All and only showed how much idiot you are ;)

How is it being a 'Mr. Know It All' to point out your English is shit? It is shit.

When looking for fault the rational person looks at the person who can barely express themselves in English.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Yes, it is. Third person = a final S. Even a Galician immigrant like you should know this.

All your life living in USA and writing such bad English :picard1: this is the really serious thing :picard1:

Do you suck at Spanish as well? It's not in third person.


Oh, in real life. What does that even mean? You were at a beach and your powers of observation trumped DNA tests when you saw a Spaniard walk by and remembered how a Spaniard online upset you?



Oh, in real life. What does that even mean? You were at a beach and your powers of observation trumped DNA tests when you saw a Spaniard walkS by and remembered how a Spaniard online upset you?

Do you see why what you believe comes across as awkward? It's not in the third person.


First person is the I/we perspective.
Second person is the you perspective.
Third person is the he/she/it/they perspective.

It's second person.

This applies in Spanish as well and so I have to wonder how is it you can fuck up on this aspect of English. It's not like mixing up the placing of verb, subject, and object. Many people have that problem when writing in another language when the placing is different.

[Cristiano viejo]

What is the average rent in your area?
That does not matter since my wage is infinitely higher than the average.




How is it being a 'Mr. Know It All' to point out your English is shit? It is shit.

When looking for fault the rational person looks at the person who can barely express themselves in English.
My English was super correct, it was you who was wrong assuming I was referring to myself, stupid retard :thumb001:


Do you suck at Spanish as well? It's not in third person.






Do you see why what you believe comes across as awkward? It's not in the third person.



It's second person.

This applies in Spanish as well and so I have to wonder how is it you can fuck up on this aspect of English. It's not like mixing up the placing of verb, subject, and object. Many people have that problem when writing in another language when the placing is different.

It is third person, stupid motherfucker. It is "he", not "you".
With every post that you make, you seem more and more dumb :picard1:

Not my fault that you dont know the basic rules of orthography and verbs :picard1:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

That does not matter since my wage is infinitely higher than the average.

Average in Castilla y Leon is low in the NYC Metro area.





My English was super correct, it was you who was wrong assuming I was referring to myself, stupid retard :thumb001:



It is third person, stupid motherfucker. It is "he", not "you".
With every post that you make, you seem more and more dumb :picard1:

Not my fault that you dont know the basic rules of orthography and verbs :picard1:

How about this: find a poster - American or English - who will say you are correct. Just one person. You won't be able to so.

You're so sadly stupid. I say sadly because it is sad. It's 2nd person. It's dependent on perspective. What he perceives in my humorous story since, if you haven't noticed, I was being satirical.

I don't believe you make higher than average because what explained above applies in Spanish as well. Wait... maybe you do. You do live in Spain after all. I think - and this is an assumption but I'm very confident in my assumption since it's based on a sad reality- that like many Spaniards who have a decent paying job you got it through family nepotism or a family friend throwing you a bone. I know how it works in Spain. It's 'who you know' and as long you're competent enough at the job it doesn't matter that there are better skilled individuals who could do better work unless you have a skill that is in high demand.

So which parent, uncle, or grandparent or family friend wormed you into a decent paying job?

[Cristiano viejo]

Average in Castilla y Leon is low in the NYC Metro area.


Everybody know that, idiot. Did I talk about the fuckin average in CyL? NO, I DID NOT. I talk about myself, idiot. Idiot. Idiot.




How about this: find a poster - American or English - who will say you are correct. Just one person. You won't be able to so.

You're so sadly stupid. I say sadly because it is sad. It's 2nd person.

How the fuck "he" is second person, damn retard??????????????????? :picard1:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Everybody know that, idiot. Did I talk about the fuckin average in CyL? NO, I DID NOT. I talk about myself, idiot. Idiot. Idiot.

You talked about higher than average, which means what? If the average is low than higher than average isn't impressive? That's the point.

Don't be so hysterical. You reveal your weakness when you do.






How the fuck "he" is second person, damn retard??????????????????? :picard1:

I'm writing from his(Albababoa or whatever is his name) perspective. That makes it 2nd person. This was explained. This is elementary school stuff.

Seriously, dude. This is shit children in elementary school learn and you fucked up.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Oh.... I think I touched on something here. Why did you ignore my long comment on nepotism?

I know how it works in Spain.

btw, are you having any luck finding an English speaking poster to support your nonsense?

[Cristiano viejo]

You talked about higher than average, which means what? If the average is low than higher than average isn't impressive? That's the point.

Don't be so hysterical. You reveal your weakness when you do.

:sleep:




I'm writing from his perspective. This was explained. This is elementary school stuff.

Seriously, dude. This is shit children in elementary school learn and you fucked up.

Damn retard, you said exactly this:
Oh, in real life. What does that even mean? You were at a beach and your powers of observation trumped DNA tests when you saw a Spaniard walk by and remembered how a Spaniard online upset you?

It is more than obvious that with "walk" you was referring to the Spaniard, not to the Albrownian. Your excuse just makes you to seem dumber :picard1:

You must improve your English or perhaps Trump expels you after all :rolleyes:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Everybody know that, idiot. Did I talk about the fuckin average in CyL? NO, I DID NOT. I talk about myself, idiot. Idiot. Idiot.





How the fuck "he" is second person, damn retard??????????????????? :picard1:

https://blog.online-spellcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/First-Second-and-Third-Person-Point-Of-View-Definition-and-Examples.jpg

I'm here to help. Do you see a 'you' there? Did you see a 'you' in my sentence?

His (albabona or whatever) perspective (in my satire... he wasn't on a beach in case you're confused).

[Cristiano viejo]

https://blog.online-spellcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/First-Second-and-Third-Person-Point-Of-View-Definition-and-Examples.jpg

Thanks for proving the obvious: he = third person.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

:sleep:

Society should not sleep on nepotism. It ruins nations.






Damn retard, you said exactly this:
Oh, in real life. What does that even mean? You were at a beach and your powers of observation trumped DNA tests when you saw a Spaniard walk by and remembered how a Spaniard online upset you?

It is more than obvious that with "walk" you was referring to the Spaniard, not to the Albrownian. Your excuse just makes you to seem dumber :picard1:

Oh my God... it's written from the perspective of the Albanian fellow. Do you know what perspective means?


You must improve your English or perhaps Trump expels you after all :rolleyes:

My English is fine. Your English is terrible. To say otherwise would make everyone including yourself laugh.

Now about how you got your decent paying job... was it daddy? Did he have a pal who hooked you up?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Thanks for proving the obvious: he = third person.

Look at the post again. I knew it would have to be explained cuz you're too dumb to figure it out on your own.

PERSPECTIVE

Get a dictionary.

[Cristiano viejo]

Oh my God... it's written from the perspective of the Albanian fellow. Do you know what perspective means?
False, and this excuse just make you dumber. From the Albrownian perspective makes no sense :picard1: it is obvious that you tried to refer to the Spaniard, who was walking by the beach. LOSER.



My English is fine.
No, not true. And after a few decades there it is a shame.


Your English is terrible.
Thanks. As a Spaniard, this is a compliment.


Now about how you got your decent paying job... was it daddy? Did he have a pal who hooked you up?
You wish xD but it is funny and ironic coming from a 40s years old who lives in daddy house xD

[StonyArabia]

We should divide the Iberians like we did, and conquer them once again.

[rein]

We should divide the Iberians like they did, and conquer them once again

Why do you want to conquer them? Like their climate?

[Cristiano viejo]

We should divide the Iberians like we did, and conquer them once again.

You never conquered us but hey, good idea, so you would be expel again and Spain would start a new Golden Age :D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-adgxepct8ps/VZDr4Ntb1mI/AAAAAAAAOys/6rXVeNlQJwE/s1600/Kick%2BIslam%2Bout.jpg

[Neogranadino]

:popcorn:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

We should divide the Iberians like we did, and conquer them once again.

Who is 'we'? ME admixture is almost non-existent in Spain. It's the Berber admixture that shows up. Stop stealing other people's history accomplishments as is typical of your sand nomad people. The rest of the Muslim world viewed Arabs as ignorant barbarians.

You couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag and even you said you were smacked around by Canadian kids growing up. No warrior spirit can be found in you. So it gets absurd when you talk tough. If Apricity was prison you'd be someone's bitch boy.

[Cristiano viejo]

You couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag and even you said you were smacked around by Canadian kids growing up. No warrior spirit can be found in you. So it gets absurd when you talk tough. If Apricity was prison you'd be someone's bitch boy.

hahahaha, that is my Galician girlfriend defending Spain :iloveyou:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You never conquered us but hey, good idea, so you would be expel again and Spain would start a new Golden Age :D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-adgxepct8ps/VZDr4Ntb1mI/AAAAAAAAOys/6rXVeNlQJwE/s1600/Kick%2BIslam%2Bout.jpg

Well, they conquered you guys. They didn't conquer Galicians. It's the Galicians, Asturians, Basques, and Cantabrians who are the unbroken and unbowed. What masculinity Castillians have is from us from the further north when we decided to settle what later be Castile and make men out of you all. It's clear there was no depopulation in the area of Castile during the Moorish conquest.

[Cristiano viejo]

Well, they conquered you guys. They didn't conquer Galicians. It's the Galicians, Asturians, Basques, and Cantabrians that are the unbroken and unbowed.

Pufff, you must get very butthurt with our discussion to say such bullshit :laugh:

[alnortedelsur]

This thread is about the wet dreams of the cyber-idiot who opened it.

The weed he smokes must be really good.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

hahahaha, that is my Galician girlfriend defending Spain :iloveyou:

I'm not defending Spain as much as disliking a retard's failed attempt at insulting Spain. If it was funny or witty, I wouldn't have said anything.

Dude, I could fucking kill you easily. They don't have wrestling in Spanish schools and kids are not allowed to box until they're 15. I'd ankle pick you easy and then choke you to death. If I wanted to punish you, I'd leg kick the shit out of your leg until you cried and you would cry cuz it hurts. It hurts a lot.

[Dick]

I'm not defending Spain as much as disliking a retard's failed attempt at insulting Spain. If it was funny or witty, I wouldn't have said anything.

Dude, I could fucking kill you easily. They don't have wrestling in Spanish schools and kids are not allowed to box until they're 15. I'd ankle pick you easy and then choke you to death. If I wanted to punish you, I'd leg kick the shit out of your leg until you cried and you would cry cuz it hurts. It hurts a lot.

Okay man, nobody is dying today on the interwebs. Stop.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Pufff, you must get very butthurt with our discussion to say such bullshit :laugh:

You're not a reader.

[rein]

Okay man, nobody is dying today on the interwebs. Stop.

Why didn’t he bring anything to the gunfight?

[StonyArabia]

Who is 'we'? ME admixture is almost non-existent in Spain. It's the Berber admixture that shows up. Stop stealing other people's history accomplishments as is typical of your sand nomad people. The rest of the Muslim world viewed Arabs as ignorant barbarians.

You couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag and even you said you were smacked around by Canadian kids growing up. No warrior spirit can be found in you. So it gets absurd when you talk tough. If Apricity was prison you'd be someone's bitch boy.

You realize many of the troops came from the Syrian Desert which means Syria and parts of Iraq, and many of them were generals and participating in the conquest of Iberia. The person who built the great Caliphate of Cordoba was an Ummyad. The Ummyads were of Arabian stock from the peninsula. Of course there were Berbers to, and they also ruled you, but they adopted Arabic as their language and used Arabic as the court language in Iberia. Btw Nomadic people are superior to settled people, this why we could crush both the Byzantine and Persian empires, and we also divided the Iberians, and conquered you. Musa Bin Nusair was from my area, the general who had began to have the conquest of Iberia. Musa Bin Nusair is said to be of Yemenite Jewish origin before he converted to Islam, but his family migrated into western Iraq. I have seen some Spanish showing Southwest Asian admix

They were much older kids than me.

Muslim and Christian sources quote that while Musa bin Nusayr was eager to cross the Straits of Gibraltar to Hispania, he determined to do so only when a Visigoth nobleman, Julian, Count of Ceuta, had encouraged him to invade Iberia, telling him of the people's sufferings and the injustice of their king, Roderic, while giving him cause for conquest by telling him of the riches that would be found, and of the many palaces, gardens and beauties of Hispania. Legend tells that Julian wished the fall of the Visigothic kingdom because his daughter had been raped by Roderic.[12][13]

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Okay man, nobody is dying today on the interwebs. Stop.

I'm just being honest. He called me his girlfriend. I have no doubt in my mind I would have my way with him for the simple fact that I know they don't teach wrestling in Spanish schools as part of their sports programs. I wouldn't have said that to a Bulgarian. They have a great wrestling program in that country.

[Cristiano viejo]

Dude, I could fucking kill you easily. They don't have wrestling in Spanish schools and kids are not allowed to box until they're 15. I'd ankle pick you easy and then choke you to death. If I wanted to punish you, I'd leg kick the shit out of your leg until you cried and you would cry cuz it hurts. It hurts a lot.

Nah, you Galicians are a people always subjugated to us Castilians, remember? :fencing: You dont scare me, sorry :bagpipe:

[Dick]

Why didn’t he bring anything to the gunfight?

Grimes' nickname is "the Hand of Death". Nuff said.

[Cristiano viejo]

You're not a reader.

Oh, I am. Are you? name me the Muslim rulers of Castilla... if you can, I mean.

[rein]

Grimes' nickname is "the Hand of Death". Nuff said.

Even bulls don’t stand a chance.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/02/16/09/miller-bulls3-v2.jpg?w968h681

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You realize many of the troops came from the Syrian Desert which means Syria and parts of Iraq, and many of them were generals and participating in the conquest of Iberia. The person who built the great Caliphate of Cordoba was an Ummyad. The Ummyads were of Arabian stock from the peninsula. Of course there were Berbers to, and they also ruled you, but they adopted Arabic as their language and used Arabic as the court language in Iberia. Btw Nomadic people are superior to settled people, this why we could crush both the Byzantine and Persian empires, and we also divided the Iberians, and conquered you. Musa Bin Nusair was from my area, the general who had began to have the conquest of Iberia. Musa Bin Nusair is said to be of Yemenite Jewish origin before he converted to Islam, but his family migrated into western Iraq. I have seen some Spanish showing Southwest Asian admix

What I realize is that Arab historical records are skimpy from that period.

Stop saying 'we.' You're a little bitch trying to grow balls from historical romanticism. You didn't do anything and if your ancestors could see you now they'd rape you out of disgust.

You're obsessed with a child's game, for fuck's sake.


They were much older kids than me.

You didn't have friends to stand by you? You're extremely rapeable.


Muslim and Christian sources quote that while Musa bin Nusayr was eager to cross the Straits of Gibraltar to Hispania, he determined to do so only when a Visigoth nobleman, Julian, Count of Ceuta, had encouraged him to invade Iberia, telling him of the people's sufferings and the injustice of their king, Roderic, while giving him cause for conquest by telling him of the riches that would be found, and of the many palaces, gardens and beauties of Hispania. Legend tells that Julian wished the fall of the Visigothic kingdom because his daughter had been raped by Roderic.[12][13]


Count Julian, as the story goes, thought the Muslims would leave after doing some plundering and he'd take over. Anyway, these are all stories. Most likely the Muslims realized the Visigoths were not united and took advantage. Hence why the conquest was so quick.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Why didn’t he bring anything to the gunfight?

Guns are for faggots.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Grimes' nickname is "the Hand of Death". Nuff said.

Pressure points don't work.

[Dick]

Guns are for faggots.

lol

[StonyArabia]

What I realize is that Arab historical records are skimpy from that period.

It's even said in the Spanish/Iberian chronicles that many of the troops came from the Syrian Desert and the Arabian peninsula and many also came from North Africa. For example Musa Bin Nusyar was from my region, but Tariq bin Zayed was Berber, the latter had a region named after him.


You didn't have friends to stand by you? You're extremely rapeable.

I did, once I had befriended the Saudi older kids who would return the favor to them twice fold.


Count Julian, as the story goes, thought the Muslims would leave after doing some plundering. Anyway, these are all stories. Most likely the Muslims realized the Visigoths were not united and took advantage. Hence why the conquest was so quick.

Which they used to their advantage of course, divide and conquer. We stayed there for 800 years. Btw the ring that's black we wear on our heads, actually used to be White, however since we lost Iberia, we wear it black now, to commemorate our loss, which is called the Agal. There many factors that have played against us, but if these factors were taken out, we most likely would have Arabized Iberia, just like the Turks did in Anatolia Turkifying it. We actually did Arabize Iberia for a while

[Cristiano viejo]

Guns are for faggots.

Is that the reason why Americans carry guns and this is defended even by the First Amendment (or was the Second?)? :laugh:

[Dick]

You're extremely rapeable.

You sound like a migrant.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Oh, I am. Are you? name me the Muslim rulers of Castilla... if you can, I mean.

All Caliphs of Cordoba prior to Castile becoming a county in of the kingdom of Leon. You do realize you can't reconquer what hasn't already been conquered or you just as bad with history as you are with language?

Abd ar-Rahman I would be one. He ruled in the mid8th century.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You sound like a migrant.

All joking aside it was - and probably still is - a common practice in Iraq for men to go around raping other men they don't like as a power move.

Here in the US if two teenagers don't like each other they might fist fight. Over there they rape them.

WTF?!?!?!?

StonyArab, explain yourself? Why the rape?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Is that the reason why Americans carry guns and this is defended even by the First Amendment (or was the Second?)? :laugh:

You can't walk around with a gun on your person in most states. Each state has its own laws, dummy.

The Second Amendment is a right to bare arms (guns) to protect against government tyranny.

[Mark]

You sound like a migrant.

You sound like you use Vanilla essence sugar flavored lotion.

[Dick]

You sound like you use Vanilla essence sugar flavored lotion.

When in Sicily, do as the Sicilians do.

[Mark]

When in Sicily, do as the Sicilians do.

I here they pass is out regularly at the nightclubs to the guys with the plucked eyebrows who exhibit 'dandy' qualities.

[Dick]

I here they pass is out regularly at the nightclubs to the guys with the plucked eyebrows who exhibit 'dandy' qualities.

Whatever happened to just plain old vaseline

[rein]

Whatever happened to just plain old vaseline

No vaseline.

[Mark]

Whatever happened to just plain old vaseline

Fuck if I know. But as long as they ain't rubbing that shit on me, I'm a happy clubber.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

It's even said in the Spanish/Iberian chronicles that many of the troops came from the Syrian Desert and the Arabian peninsula and many also came from North Africa. For example Musa Bin Nusyar was from my region, but Tariq bin Zayed was Berber, the latter had a region named after him.

The Spanish Chronicles of that event are based on the Muslim Chronicles. There weren't any Christian Chronicles written about the event until the 9th century.

Congratulations on some guy whose role is controversial (as in some Muslim scholars think he deserves credit and others thinking it was another dude who deserved the credit) coming from your region.


I did, once I had befriended the Saudi older kids who would return the favor to them twice fold.

I laughed so loud. Alberta, Canada sure does have a significant Saudi community, am I right? And if there was a Saudi community my money would be on some Canadian rednecks from Alberta without question. Arabs may be tough when it comes to beating on women and slaves that the Saudis claim they don't have in their country but a Canadian redneck is no woman and he's no slave.




Which they used to their advantage of course, divide and conquer. We stayed there for 800 years. Btw the ring that's black we wear on our heads, actually used to be White, however since we lost Iberia, we wear it black now, to commemorate our loss, which is called the Agal. There many factors that have played against us, but if these factors were taken out, we most likely would have Arabized Iberia, just like the Turks did in Anatolia Turkifying it. We actually did Arabize Iberia for a while

You didn't do anything. Stop using 'us' and 'we.' You're a dork from Canada who was too much of a coward to go to Iraq and fight against 'the oppressor.' I have no respect for someone who talks shit about what another country is doing in their own but sits comfortably thousands of miles away. I've seen you call Iraqi soldiers fighting with Americans and others 'Uncle Toms.' They're fighting for what they believe in. You sit home and just talk. Those guys have respect. At least they did something. Right or wrong they picked a side. They didn't run off.

Oh, and the lack of Arab genetic influence in Iberia indicates the Moorish invasion was heavily Berber and of course later there were Iberian conversions. So once again you -as an Arab - try to steal the accomplishments of other Muslims simply because of the word Arab being broadly used.

Shame on you.

[rein]

The Spanish Chronicles of that event are based on the Muslim Chronicles. There weren't any Christian Chronicles written about the event until the 9th century.

Congratulations on some guy whose role is controversial (as in some Muslim scholars think he deserves credit and others thinking it was another dude who deserved the credit) coming from you region.



I laughed so loud. Alberta, Canada sure does have a significant Saudi community, am I right? And if there was a Saudi community my money would be on some Canadian rednecks from Alberta without question. Arabs may be tough when it comes to beating on women and slaves that the Saudis claim they don't have in their country but a Canadian redneck is no woman and he's no slave.





You didn't do anything. Stop using 'us' and 'we.' You're a dork from Canada who was too much of a coward to go to Iraq and fight against 'the oppressor.' I have no respect for someone who talks shit about what another country is doing in their own but sits comfortably thousands of miles away. I've seen you call Iraqi soldiers fighting with Americans and others 'Uncle Toms.' They're fighting for what they believe in. You sit home and just talk. Those guys have respect. At least they did something. Right or wrong they picked a side. They didn't run off.

Oh, and the lack of Arab genetic influence in Iberia indicates the Moorish invasion was heavily Berber and of course later there were Iberian conversions. So once again you -as an Arab - try to steal the accomplishments of other Muslims simply because of the word Arab being broadly used.

Shame on you.

Yes, we al know who the real moors were.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/915sfJ%2BEucL.jpg

[StonyArabia]

The Spanish Chronicles of that event are based on the Muslim Chronicles. There weren't any Christian Chronicles written about the event until the 9th century.

Congratulations on some guy whose role is controversial (as in some Muslim scholars think he deserves credit and others thinking it was another dude who deserved the credit) coming from your region.

Musa Bin Nusyar was from my region, and he initiated the conquest.




I laughed so loud. Alberta, Canada sure does have a significant Saudi community, am I right? And if there was a Saudi community my money would be on some Canadian rednecks from Alberta without question. Arabs may be tough when it comes to beating on women and slaves that the Saudis claim they don't have in their country but a Canadian redneck is no woman and he's no slave.

I interact with them dude, and many are Baharna sub-ethnic group that are genetically and culturally related to us. Many Baharna can found in North America either as immigrants or students.





You didn't do anything. Stop using 'us' and 'we.' You're a dork from Canada who was too much of a coward to go to Iraq and fight against 'the oppressor.' I have no respect for someone who talks shit about what another country is doing in their own but sits comfortably thousands of miles away. I've seen you call Iraqi soldiers fighting with Americans and others 'Uncle Toms.' They're fighting for what they believe in. You sit home and just talk. Those guys have respect. At least they did something. Right or wrong they picked a side. They didn't run off.

I am born in North America and never been there. Yes anyone who betrays his nation is an Uncle Tom.


Oh, and the lack of Arab genetic influence in Iberia indicates the Moorish invasion was heavily Berber and of course later there were Iberian conversions. So once again you -as an Arab - try to steal the accomplishments of other Muslims simply because of the word Arab being broadly used.

Shame on you.

Whatever dude. My people participated and ruled it for a while.

Anyways I am out

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Yes, we al know who the real moors were.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/915sfJ%2BEucL.jpg

Stanley Lane-Poole would be rolling in his grave if he knew his books were being republished in this way. They slap the cover with Black Moor and so the assumption the reader makes is the author thinks the Moors were Black.

btw, there were some Moors who were Black but it was a minority. Blacks weren't viewed very well by Muslims regardless if in Iberia or in Iran. If you want to see real racism you read what Muslims wrote about Blacks. A Black Muslim who was a judge wrote a book to counter the stereotypes the Muslim world had of Blacks during the Middle Ages.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Musa Bin Nusyar was from my region, and he initiated the conquest.

Why you getting mad at me? It's the Muslim Chronicles with conflicting stories about this man you should be upset with.






I interact with them dude, and many are Baharna sub-ethnic group that are genetically and culturally related to us. Many Baharna can found in North America either as immigrants or students.

You're so pathetic. If they were Baharna, you would have said so. Instead you said Saudis. Why wouldn't you just say what they are instead of calling them Saudis especially since Saudis aren't keen on Shiites?

You're not smart enough to lie. So don't lie.







I am born in North America and never been there. Yes anyone who betrays his nation is an Uncle Tom.


Then why do you give a flying fuck about what happens over there? Cuz you do. You care deeply. But not deeply enough to go over there and fight for a cause. But then again the cause against these 'Uncle Toms' would put in an al-Qaeda and later ISIS camp. You know you'd be expected to murder Shiites (heavily supportive of the Iraqi government). You know you would have to kill innocent people.

You don't want to be a savage and so you stay safely nestled in the West where you can bitch and moan about White people who allow you the privilege of playing Pokemon like an 8 year old instead of killing men, women, and children who happened to be Shiites or Christian or Kurds.



Whatever dude. My people participated and ruled it for a while.

Your people were wandering desert nomads who even today live in dire poverty and is constantly screwed over by the wealthy elite whose only accomplishment is living on an abundance of oil. My people... well, even a jack ass like CV can get a decent job and I can visit my family without worrying about having my head hacked off.


Anyways I am out

Is there a gang rape you're missing out on?

[StonyArabia]

I am just against Anglo-American intervention in our region. That's all.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I am just against Anglo-American intervention in our region. That's all.

When you say you're out. You're out. To come back is a sign of weakness. This is why you got picked on. That and because they saw you were obsessed with Pokemon.

[Cristiano viejo]

I am just against Anglo-American intervention in our region. That's all.

Let understand: you are in favour of the Arab intervention in Iberia... but against the Anglo-American one in Arabia...
Sounds fair :rolleyes: Man, you are a hypocrite.

[Vasconcelos]

What the actual fuck is going on here?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

What the actual fuck is going on here?

We're learning that a 2nd grade elementary school student would easily best CV in English and that 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person perspective is too complex for him to grasp. We also learned he has a well paying job thanks to nepotism and not merit. Lets be honest: did anyone think this moron would be able to get a decent paying job without strings pulled? Nepotism is a serious problem in Spain.

[B01AB20]

Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat’s blood is not red but blue. The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback. They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin—proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy—Robert Lacey, Aristocr

What a disappointment :(

I thought that the classist and moronic notion of 'blue blood' had to be naturally an english or french invention.

I'm feeling blue and melancholic now, and fucking arabs are to blame.

[Cristiano viejo]

We're learning that I dont know that "he" is Third person and therefore the verb gets a final -s.

Fixed.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Even when I reveal with my own words I'm ignorant I pretend I'm right. My inability to find one native English speaker to say I'm correct and that Grimes is wrong makes me wonder whether I should strangle any children born to me so as to not diminish the national IQ... and even then I'll pretend I wasn't wrong to save face despite it being impossible to save face when even a 2nd grader knows more about basic language than myself. For the love of God someone teach me what perspective means. Use flash cards if you think necessary.


Fixed.

Don't worry, CV. You have nepotism to save you from the natural order.

[Cristiano viejo]

What a disappointment :(

I thought that the classist and moronic notion of 'blue blood' had to be naturally an english or french invention.

I'm feeling blue and melancholic now, and fucking arabs are to blame.
That is not the real mean of the term:

Sangre azul es un término utilizado internacionalmente, sobre todo en Occidente, para designar a aquellos seres humanos descendientes o pertenecientes a familias nobles, reales o aristocráticas.

El origen de este término se debe a la claridad propia del color de la piel de los privilegiados, que no realizaban trabajos físicos ni sufrían las inclemencias del tiempo, mientras que los campesinos y artesanos, con extensas jornadas de trabajo, tenían una piel más oscura. Las venas vistas a través de una piel blanquecina tienen un aspecto azulado.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangre_azul


Fixed.

Don't worry, CV. You have nepotism to save you from the natural order.
Dont worry, I am not worry. It is you who does not know rules in English, living in USA, not me :D

[Friends of Oliver Society]

CV, since you're rolling in wealth. I will bet $100 that you are wrong. Since you're so confident take the bet. There are websites where you can ask questions on any subject and are answered by professor's, lawyers, doctors, etc.

Please make your stupidity profitable for me.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

That is not the real mean of the term:

Sangre azul es un término utilizado internacionalmente, sobre todo en Occidente, para designar a aquellos seres humanos descendientes o pertenecientes a familias nobles, reales o aristocráticas.

El origen de este término se debe a la claridad propia del color de la piel de los privilegiados, que no realizaban trabajos físicos ni sufrían las inclemencias del tiempo, mientras que los campesinos y artesanos, con extensas jornadas de trabajo, tenían una piel más oscura. Las venas vistas a través de una piel blanquecina tienen un aspecto azulado.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangre_azul


Dont worry, I am not worry. It is you who does not know rules in English, living in USA, not me :D

Who wants to bet me he wont take my bet? A bet within a bet :p

[Cristiano viejo]

CV, since you're rolling in wealth. I will bet $100 that you are wrong. Since you're so confident take the bet. There are websites where you can ask questions on any subject and are answered by professor's, lawyers, doctors, etc.

Please make your stupidity profitable for me.

There is money in the world to supply the pleasure I got checking how an analphabet like you tries to give lessons of English not knowing verbs in third person ends in a final -s :clap:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

There is money in the world to supply the pleasure I got checking how an analphabet like you tries to give lessons of English not knowing verbs in third person ends in a final -s :clap:

It's not a verb in the third person. Are you taking my bet, or not? Be clear instead of rambling and indirect.

[Cristiano viejo]

It's not a verb in the third person. Are you taking my bet, or not? Be clear instead of rambling and indirect.
Bets here in TA? Sounds as that work :rolleyes:

Yes, it is a verb in third person: the spaniard walkS. That is the correc conjugation. Not my fault that you omited the S.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Bets here in TA? Sounds as that work :rolleyes:

Yes, it is a verb in third person: the spaniard walkS. That is the correc conjugation. Not my fault that you omited the S.

No, it is not. There is $100 if you are correct and since you're so confident why be fearful? It's only $100. You can tell your parents a Gypsy picked your pocket.

I had to decipher your fucked up English. Are you saying it's too much work? It's not. We both send the money to Loki through the forum (we'll offer him 10% ($20) to hold our money eschew). Winner gets $180.

Don't be a pussy. Why be scared of losing money if you know can't lose? This should be seen as easy money for you to make.

[Cristiano viejo]

No, it is not. There is $100 if you are correct and since you're so confident why be fearful? It's only $100. You can tell your parents a Gypsy picked your pocket.

I had to decipher your fucked up English. Are you saying it's too much work? It's not. We both send the money to Loki through the forum (we'll offer him 10% ($20) to hold our money eschew). Winner gets $180.

Don't be a pussy. Why be scared of losing money if you know can't lose? This should be seen as easy money for you to make.

hahaha, you deciphered nothing, you played the role of Mr Know It All pretending to know what that guy and me were talking, and you failed miserably and looked very dumb.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

hahaha, you deciphered nothing, you played the role of Mr Know It All pretending to know what that guy and me were talking, and you failed miserably and looked very dumb.

You're bitching out. You know you're wrong or more likely you sense you're probably wrong. You're too stupid to know for sure.

When faced with a real world consequence (losing $100) you bitched out. That's how you know when someone is legit: they stand their ground when there is an actual consequence if wrong.

Everyone looking at this thread saw you bitch out as I expected. My offer still stands: you're free to lose money to me whenever you like.

As for my supposed incomprehension of one of your posts I can't be blamed considering you wrote the post in a way to make one think you took the test and got 0,0. Your fucked up English is a fucked up problem. Take an English course and fix it instead of always blaming others.

[Cristiano viejo]

You're bitching out. You know you're wrong or more likely you sense you're probably wrong. You're too stupid to know for sure.

When faced with a real world consequence (losing $100) you bitched out. That's how you know when someone is legit: they stand their ground when there is an actual consequence if wrong.

Everyone looking at this thread saw you bitch out as I expected. My offer still stands: you're free to lose money to me whenever you like.

As for my supposed incomprehension of one of your posts I can't be blamed considering you wrote the post in a way to make one think you took the test and got 0,0. Your fucked up English is a fucked up problem. Take an English course and fix it instead of always blaming others.

Let insist, girl: I am not who, living in an Anglo country, unknow the rules of the English language.
Remember me every time you have to write a verb in third person: with a final -S :thumb001:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Let insist, girl: I am not who, living in an Anglo country, unknow the rules of the English language.
Remember me every time you have to write a verb in third person: with a final -S :thumb001:

'Unknow rules?' There is no other non-native speaking poster on this forum except yourself who sounds like a retard. Why do you fail so badly?

I doubt Ill ever have to remember you not knowing the difference between 2nd and 3rd person perspective considering I don't know anyone dumber than a 2nd grade elementary student to say stupid shit to me like you just did.

You had a chance to bring in a native speaker to say I was wrong: you couldn't.

You had the chance to to risk $100 on not being wrong, you wouldn't.

Either you're allergic to easy money or you know you're wrong. If someone offered me what I perceived as any easy bet I'd jump on it but then again I know I'm right and you lack confidence in your own nonsense as you should.

Real world consequences puts bitches in their place. Whenever you have the nerve to speak to me I will remind you of thus moment where you bitched out. It's a reminder that you're my own personal mildly retarded bitch and I can do what I will with you because you failed to back your shit up with a real world consequence.

So go ahead and repeat yourself. People saw you bitch out.

[Cristiano viejo]

'Unknown rules? There is no other non-native speaking poster on this forum except yourself who sounds like a retard. Why do you fail so badly?


Bufff, you bore me so much that I had to stop to read you here :sleep:

I understand that the fact that a españolito like me corrected you, the self-called Galician teacher of English in USA, bothered you a lot... truth hurts :heh:

[B01AB20]

Oh, in real life. What does that even mean? You were at a beach and your powers of observation trumped DNA tests when you saw a Spaniard walk by and remembered how a Spaniard online upset you?


I only expect to be didactic, I hope I will not regret later. :rolleyes:

Translation to spanish (of the controversial sentence)

Estabas en la playa y tus poderes de observación obviaron las pruebas de ADN cuando viste un español pasar por ahí y... (verbo en infinitivo)

o

Estabas en la playa y tus poderes de observación obviaron las pruebas de ADN cuando viste un español que pasaba por ahí y... (verbo en 3ª persona)

Anyway I wonder who has a interest in this matter, besides you two.

[Cristiano viejo]

I only expect to be didactic, I hope I will not regret later. :rolleyes:

Translation to spanish (of the controversial sentence)

Estabas en la playa y tus poderes de observación obviaron las pruebas de ADN cuando viste un español pasar por ahí y... (verbo en infinitivo)

o

Estabas en la playa y tus poderes de observación obviaron las pruebas de ADN cuando viste un español que pasaba por ahí y... (verbo en 3ª persona)

Anyway I wonder who has a interest in this matter, besides you two.

You made me to win 100 $, it seems hahaha
Franco, pay me.

[rein]

You made me to win 100 $, it seems hahaha
Franco, pay me.

You two should communicate in Spanish to avoid misunderstanding.

[Cristiano viejo]

You two should communicate in Spanish to avoid misunderstanding.

We would do... if that fuckin expat knew how :rolleyes:

[Damião de Góis]

Moved to genetics.

[Kriptc06]

I'm afraid I should intervene,
-You were at a beach -when you saw a Spaniard walk by-?

Spaniard here is not he it is him

When you saw him walk


you were at a beach -when you saw him walk by-?

therefore besides being bad to the ears when you saw he walks, is very wrong, the perspective thing the american-galician pointed is right, sorry CV

[Cristiano viejo]

I'm afraid I should intervene,

Spaniard here is not he it is him

When you saw him walk


therefore besides being bad to the ears when you saw he walks, is very wrong, the perspective thing the american-galician pointed is right, sorry CV

No, since if he was referring to the Albrownian, he should have wrote walking, not walk.

[Kriptc06]

No, since if he was referring to the Albrownian, he should have wrote walking, not walk.

When you saw him walk by - action is complete

When you saw him walking by - action is in progress,

Both are grammatically correct, it depends on the speaker to choose his words and meaning.

[Cristiano viejo]

When I saw him walk by - action is complete

When I saw him walking by - action is in progress,

Both are grammatically correct, it depends on the speaker to choose his words and meaning.

The first option invites to error, it is absolutely confused because it insinuate he is referring the Albrownian.
It is incorrect. Even a hater of English like me notices this.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Bufff, you bore me so much that I had to stop to read you here :sleep:

I understand that the fact that a españolito like me corrected you, the self-called Galician teacher of English in USA, bothered you a lot... truth hurts :heh:

Coward. The bet was offered but you bitched out.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You made me to win 100 $, it seems hahaha
Franco, pay me.

"You made me to win..." That's not English that's retard.

Neither of you are familiar with English. We could easily settle this but you're a bitch. Are you afraid that your parents will be mad if you ask for $100? This should be easy money but you're scared.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I'm afraid I should intervene,

Spaniard here is not he it is him

When you saw him walk


therefore besides being bad to the ears when you saw he walks, is very wrong, the perspective thing the american-galician pointed is right, sorry CV

It's pretty obvious and it's obvious to CV as he's scared to man up.

[♥ Lily ♥]

You made me to win 100 $, it seems hahaha
Franco, pay me.

:icon_ask:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

No, since if he was referring to the Albrownian, he should have wrote walking, not walk.

From the Albanian fellow's perspective, fool. I was being satirical.

lolz at previously saying it should be walks and now saying it's walking. You didn't say 'walking' in your previous posts. Why the change?

[Friends of Oliver Society]

You two should communicate in Spanish to avoid misunderstanding.

This is an English speaking forum. If I'm not 100% familiar with a language I wouldn't risk embarrassing myself. If, however, I spent 10 years on a Spanish speaking forum I wouldn't sound like a retard. I'd be able to write in the language without issue.

[Cristiano viejo]

"You made me to win..." That's not English that's retard.

.

Who said it was English, stupid motherfucker???

[Cristiano viejo]

From the Albanian fellow's perspective, fool. I was being satirical.

lolz at previously saying it should be walks and now saying it's walking. You didn't say 'walking' in your previous posts. Why the change?

I am saying it would be walking if you were referring to the Albrownian, idiot :picard1: but it is obvious you were referring to the Spaniard. That is why the correct way is walks, not walk.

You seem a kid, we have to explain all to you :rolleyes:

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

This is somewhat enjoyable.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

The first option invites to error, it is absolutely confused because it insinuate he is referring the Albrownian.
It is incorrect. Even a hater of English like me notices this.

Actually the first one makes more sense. Because saw is past tense and walking is present tense.

But in speech accept both in everyday usage.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Who said it was English, stupid motherfucker???

You do by using English words awkwardly put together in a sentence.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I am saying it would be walking if you were referring to the Albrownian, idiot :picard1: but it is obvious you were referring to the Spaniard. That is why the correct way is walks, not walk.

You seem a kid, we have to explain all to you :rolleyes:

Omg... first off, no one can be blamed for not understanding what you say since it's a jumble like the English of a child if the child was struck on the head with a rock.

Second, take the bet if you're so confident that you're right. I'm willing to put up money. Why aren't you willing to get free money if you think you're correct? Do you not have $100?

How about the following: since CV is clearly not interested in making money for nothing we'll see if there are people willing to back your stupidity. Anyone willing to back CV's stupidity let me know and we'll put the money down. You lack confidence in what you say. Lets see if anyone is confident in your expertise of the English language.

[Cristiano viejo]

You do by using English words awkwardly being put together in a sentence.
Not my fault that you assume that what I am using is English here :thumb001:


Omg... first off, no one can be blamed for not understanding what you say since it's a jumble like the English of a child if the child was struck on the head with a rock.

Second, take the bet if you're so confident that you're right. I'm willing to put up money. Why aren't you willing to get free money if you think you're correct? Do you not have $100?

Stop talking about bets as if that could work in TA, retard.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Grammer snob vs crazy iberian who thinks he's at a native english level.

Forget the actual grammer. I wonder if CV can speak it.

[Cristiano viejo]

Grammer snob vs crazy iberian who thinks he's at a native english level.

Forget the actual grammer. I wonder if CV can speak it.

I dislike English and I am super proud to write/speak it super incorrectly :thumb001:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Not my fault that you assume that what I am using is English here :thumb001:

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll speak in the language you were speaking this whole time. Let me know how proficient I am:

Why you not take bet? Your coward? Ha! Idiot. idiot.




Stop talking about bets as if that could work in TA, retard.

I've made bets with people on forums before. I made a bet for $100 with Elias once at HFB. It's not complicated. I already explained how it is to be done. You're just a bitch and everyone no longer needs to assume so.

It's just $100 for fuck's sake. Anyone else who knows they're right would jump on that bet.

[Friends of Oliver Society]

I dislike English and I am super proud to write/speak it super incorrectly :thumb001:

Pride in ignorance? That certainly defines you.

You're allowed to be ignorant because of nepotism. When there are real consequences for fucking up you'd perceive ignorance as less of a value.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

I dislike English and I am super proud to write/speak it super incorrectly :thumb001:So why are you competing about who's english is better. I don't even care about how correctly someone is grammitcally or spells. As long as its understandable. But I suspect you actually speak that way because the way some of your words are put in a sentence. Its so out of place. I understand not having the correct commas, even run on sentences. But sometimes the way your words are put in a sentence look out of order or like its so cut short. Kind of like when they have cavemen speak or something

[Cristiano viejo]

Oh, I'm sorry.

Dont worry, you are forgiven :patpat:




I've made bets with people on forums before. I made a bet for $100 with Elias once at HFB. It's not complicated. I already explained how it is to be done. You're just a bitch and everyone no longer needs to assume it. It's just $100 for fuck's sake. Anyone else who knows they're right would jump on that bet.

You are really dumb. Even although bets on TA worked, tell me how the fuck you could win it since nobody could convince me you are right :033102st:

[Friends of Oliver Society]

Grammer snob vs crazy iberian who thinks he's at a native english level.

Forget the actual grammer. I wonder if CV can speak it.

Grammar, wtf. It's not grammer.

You were born here, for fuck's sake.