Need help finding best GEDMatch calculator for me

[TeutonicBoyars]

Hi people,
sorry for just appearing and making this thread. I'm new to genetics, never really was interested in it before but i recently got a 23andme kit for a present. I got my a while ago but recently i was bored so i decided to take the raw file and upload it to gedmatch. I tried many different calculators and the results are interesting but hard to understand.

For background, my dad is Danish and my mum is Russian. So I am half and half north and east european I guess. so i thought in the gedmatch calculators it would show up with a close-ish even divide of DNA from these places. but i find my results really change a lot depending on what calculator i use. Eurogenes k15 makes me seem like I am mostly eastern euro. k13 puts it in the middle kind of (still slight bias towards eastern euro). Other calcs like Dodecad or MDLP are more even or slightly biased towards northern euro.

which calculator do you think is the most "correct" usually? i searched this before and i hear most people either say Eurogenes or MDLP k23b. i'd like opinions and maybe some suggestions of other calculators I can use. i can also post some of my oracle results if anyone is interested or can help me figure it out.

thank you very much

PS - i hope you guys like my name, i thought i was so clever coming up with it haha. :cool:

[Ilma]

Welcome !

The best is for you to try them and to see which one would be the most accurate for you considering the results then.

For me the k23b was pretty interesting and accurate : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?215567-Share-your-MDLP-K23b-results

[Hevo]

Can you show your MDLP K23b and Eurogenes K13/K15 results?

[TeutonicBoyars]

Hi, thnx for replies.
I appreciate it because there is a margin of error when you do not know about genetics and history, so you dont really know what to expect.


Can you show your MDLP K23b and Eurogenes K13/K15 results?

Sure I have Oracles saved to notepad that I can post here. If you need something else let me know:

Eurogenes K13
# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 5.39
2 Austrian 7.85
3 North_Swedish 8.09
4 Hungarian 9.30
5 South_Polish 9.58
6 Southwest_Finnish 10.15
7 Swedish 10.54
8 North_German 11.21
9 Polish 11.24
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.55
11 Croatian 11.80
12 Ukrainian 12.10
13 Norwegian 13.28
14 Danish 13.29:)
15 North_Dutch 13.64
16 West_German 13.9
17 South_Dutch 14.26
18 Russian_Smolensk 14.70 :)
19 Moldavian 14.90
20 Belorussian 15.04

MDLP K23b

# Population (source) Distance
1 German ( ) 3.87
2 Austrian ( ) 5.9
3 German_East ( ) 5.93
4 Swede_Saami ( ) 6.11
5 North_German ( ) 6.35
6 Hungarian ( ) 7.78
7 German-Volga ( ) 8.04
8 Dane ( ) 8.09 :)
9 Dutch ( ) 8.23
10 Slovenian ( ) 8.25
11 Czech ( ) 8.59
12 South_German ( ) 8.66
13 Kashub ( ) 8.83
14 Slovak ( ) 9.07
15 Hungarian_Budapest ( ) 9.07
16 Finn_West ( ) 9.48
17 Swede ( ) 9.81
18 Sorb ( ) 10.26
19 Belgian ( ) 11.73
20 Russian-North-West ( ) 11.75:) (but it's so far...)

Eurogenes K15 (I think i got very different results from eurogenes k13 so one of them has to be inaccurate, hmmm...)

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 7.62
2 Polish 8.37
3 South_Polish 8.45
4 Austrian 8.78
5 Southwest_Finnish 8.98
6 Hungarian 9.89
7 Croatian 10.06
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.41
9 Ukrainian 10.58
10 Russian_Smolensk 10.84
11 Finnish 11.62
12 Belorussian 12.21
13 Estonian_Polish 12.3
14 Estonian 12.35
15 Southwest_Russian 13.17
16 North_German 13.37
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.42
18 Moldavian 13.67
19 La_Brana-1 13.85
20 North_Swedish


I think K15 is the least accurate for me but idk enough about DNA to be sure I think

Which results do you think make sense for someone who is 1/2 Danish and 1/2 Russian?

[Peterski]

East German makes sense, because they are about 1/2 Slavic on average.

So if you mix 50% Danish + 50% Russian, the result can be East German.

Post your Eurogenes K36. Have you tried DNA Land?:

https://dna.land

[TeutonicBoyars]

Thank you that really definitely makes sense since Germans are close to Danish people I guess, so East Germans are close to Danish people and Slavic people. i'm still just wondering why though on K15 I get so many Slavic populations but ok K13 its more even (so it would reflect my ancestry). But then on MDLP k23b I get more northern populations. i thought these calculators worked similarly but maybe theres something different I missed.

I will definitely try DNA.Land!! I didnt know about it, it looks like a cool tool. Also i tried the k36 but I did not see an oracle for it so maybe i'm missing something?

btw for anyone else that is nice enough to post on this thread i'd really like to hear what is the best gedmatch calculator for you :)

[Arduti]

How about Admixture results?

Or your 4 Population Source distance?

I don't know which calculator to suggest. Some of them I've used seem pretty wonky but I think the Eurogenes calculators are pretty good.

[Tchek]

Hi,

The best calculators I think are Eurogenes K13/15, PuntDNAL K13/15 and MDLP K16 global.

If you are a mix, better look at the 2 populations approximation at the oracles (or even 3 and 4 on Oracle-4)

[Arduti]

And you're posting one-population source distance, not admixture results.

If the population source distance is a high number, it means your bloodline is farther away from that population

Pay attention to high numbers in Admixture results and low numbers in Population Source Distance, and I would recommend ignoring the one-population source distance results altogether.

I have trouble understanding some of the calculators myself.

[TeutonicBoyars]

And you're posting one-population source distance, not admixture results.

If the population source distance is a high number, it means your bloodline is farther away from that population

Pay attention to high numbers in Admixture results and low numbers in Population Source Distance, and I would recommend ignoring the one-population source distance results altogether.

I have trouble understanding some of the calculators myself.

Oh yes i understand what the admixture results are (but i for things like K36, and MDLP, i dont know what they mean) but i didn't save them because they weren't interesting to me. but if you think it would be good to post them then i can.

i will post my 2 population results from k13 and MDLP k23b

MDLP K23b:

1 60.8% Irish ( ) + 39.2% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 1.56
2 60.9% Irish ( ) + 39.1% Mixed_East_Slav ( ) @ 1.56
3 56.8% Irish ( ) + 43.2% Belarusian_South ( ) @ 1.72
4 50.1% Russian-North-West ( ) + 49.9% Frisian ( ) @ 1.78 this is really close since Frisia is close to Denmark
5 58.8% Irish ( ) + 41.2% Belarusian ( ) @ 1.83
6 53.9% Irish ( ) + 46.1% Russian_South ( ) @ 1.86
7 60% Frisian ( ) + 40% Lithuanian ( ) @ 1.89
8 61% Frisian ( ) + 39% Russian_Center ( ) @ 1.89
9 53.1% Irish ( ) + 46.9% Belarusian-East ( ) @ 1.92
10 53.6% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 46.4% Mixed_East_Slav ( ) @ 1.92
11 53.6% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) + 46.4% Belarusian_Russian ( ) @ 1.92
12 58.5% Frisian ( ) + 41.5% Belarusian_South ( ) @ 1.92
13 55.3% Sorb ( ) + 44.7% Irish ( ) @ 1.93
14 50.8% Irish ( ) + 49.2% Russian-West ( ) @ 1.93
15 59.5% Irish ( ) + 40.5% Russian_Center ( ) @ 1.94
16 52.2% Don_cossack ( ) + 47.8% British ( ) @ 1.95
17 52.3% Irish ( ) + 47.7% Belarusian_West ( ) @ 1.96
18 58.1% Irish ( ) + 41.9% Pole ( ) @ 1.97
19 56.3% Irish ( ) + 43.7% Ukrainian ( ) @ 2
20 51.1% Don_cossack ( ) + 48.9% English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) @ 2

Eurogenes K13

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.3% Estonian_Polish + 46.7% Southwest_English @ 2.1
2 61% Polish + 39% Southwest_English @ 2.18
3 54.2% Russian_Smolensk+ 45.8% Southwest_English @ 2.22
4 58.5% Polish + 41.5% Southeast_English @ 2.24
5 56.8% South_Dutch + 43.2% Lithuanian @ 2.33
6 51.6% Russian_Smolensk+ 48.4% Southeast_English @ 2.33
7 50.8% Estonian_Polish + 49.2% Southeast_English @ 2.42
8 58% Polish + 42% Orcadian @ 2.46
9 60.8% Polish + 39.2% West_Scottish @ 2.52
10 59.5% Polish + 40.5% Irish @ 2.64
11 53.7% Belorussian + 46.3% Southwest_English @ 2.65
12 51.7% Estonian_Polish + 48.3% Irish @ 2.75
13 50.2% Estonian_Polish + 49.8% Orcadian @ 2.77
14 51.1% Russian_Smolensk+ 48.9% Orcadian @ 2.78
15 53% Estonian_Polish + 47% West_Scottish @ 2.78
16 54.4% Polish + 45.6% Danish @ 2.79
17 55.1% Polish + 44.9% North_Dutch @ 2.83
18 68% East_German + 32% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.84
19 50.1% North_German + 49.9% Polish @ 2.9
20 54% Russian_Smolensk+ 46% West_Scottish @ 2.94

i don't understand why eurogenes puts me more eastern and mdlp puts me more northern? is one of them more inaccurate? are they both inaccurate? or am i really more eastern or nothern?

EDIT: oh also here is my MDLP K16 results since Tchek said it was good.

# Population (source) Distance
1 Norwegian (Norwegia) 2.57
2 Icelandic (Iceland) 3.1
3 Swede (Sweden) 3.22
4 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 3.53
5 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 3.73
6 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 3.81
7 Irish (Munster) 4.34
8 Dutch (Netherlands) 4.4
9 Scottish (Highlands) 4.64
10 English (Cornwall) 4.71
11 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 4.72
12 Irish (Ulster) 4.77
13 Irish (Connacht) 4.79
14 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 4.94
15 Scottish (Borders) 5.05
16 Scottish (Fife) 5.12
17 English (England) 5.13
18 Irish (Leinster) 5.2
19 Scottish (Grampian) 5.44
20 English (Kent) 5.64

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Icelandic (Iceland) + 38.9% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 1.72
2 96.4% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.6% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 1.75
3 96.7% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.77
4 96.1% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.9% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 1.78
5 96.3% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.7% Georgian (Georgia) @ 1.78
6 96.4% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.6% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 1.78
7 95.3% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 4.7% Tabasaran (Dagestan) @ 1.79
8 96.4% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.6% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 1.79
9 96.3% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.7% Georgian_Abkhazia (Abkhazia) @ 1.79
10 96.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.8% Adjar (Adjaria) @ 1.8
11 68.7% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 31.3% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 1.8
12 69.2% Icelandic (Iceland) + 30.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.81
13 96.6% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.4% Armenian (Armenia) @ 1.81
14 96.5% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.5% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 1.81
15 96.4% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.6% Azerbaijani (Baku) @ 1.81
16 95.6% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 4.4% Lezgin (Dagestan) @ 1.82
17 96% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 4% Kumyk (Dagestan) @ 1.83
18 96.2% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.8% Adygei (Adygea) @ 1.84
19 95.6% Icelandic (Iceland) + 4.4% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.84
20 96.1% Norwegian (Norwegia) + 3.9% Ossetian (North_Ossetia) @ 1.84

Idk if these results are a glitch or not. can someone tell me if the MDLP K16 Modern calculator is working right??

[Böri]

Hi people,

PS - i hope you guys like my name, i thought i was so clever coming up with it haha. :cool:

Hi man Boyars is a nice Bulgaric title actually :thumb001:


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[TEUTORIGOS]

East German makes sense, because they are about 1/2 Slavic on average.

So if you mix 50% Danish + 50% Russian, the result can be East German.




I agree that is basically what I was going to say but you beat me to the punch.

[Not a Cop]

Oh yes i understand what the admixture results are (but i for things like K36, and MDLP, i dont know what they mean) but i didn't save them because they weren't interesting to me. but if you think it would be good to post them then i can.


From which region in Russia your mother ancestry comes from? Your results are similar to my grandfather's results, he is 1\2 German from Baltic States and 1\4 Belarussian and Russian.

K13 orcale to compare:

1 East_German 6.93
2 North_Swedish 7.94
3 South_Polish 8.67
4 Austrian 8.92
5 Hungarian 9.44
6 Southwest_Finnish 9.46
7 Polish 10.67
8 Swedish 10.84
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.98
10 Ukrainian 11.45

MDLP K16 works in it's own way since it doesn't have separate components for NE and NW euros, just one general Northern component.

What are your admixture proportions for Eurogenes K36, K13 and K13? Like this K13 for my grandad:

1 North_Atlantic 38.21
2 Baltic 36.76
3 West_Med 9.55
4 West_Asian 8.01
5 East_Med 3.52
6 South_Asian 2.05
7 Siberian 1.06
8 Amerindian 0.72
9 Red_Sea 0.14

[Hadouken]

eurogenes K13 seems good for you no ?

[Arduti]

Judging by the numbers alone, it looks like MDLP is able to place you closer to a population, the top one shows you being 1.56 distance from that 2-population mix, and the bottom one placing you 2.0.

For perspective, the closest 2-population group Eurogenes is able to place you with is at a distance of 2.1, which is far for the #1 spot. So the #20 spot for MDLP is still more accurate than Eurogenes #1 spot.

But this does not mean that MDLP is better for everyone, but it more closely relates you into a population group which means more people like you have participated in their specific genome project. Eurogenes might place someone else closer to a population than MDLP can.

If anyone else has more accurate info please correct me because I'm trying to understand it myself.

[TeutonicBoyars]

@Siyendi oh i thought it was the russian equivolant of knights lol. too late to change it though :(


From which region in Russia your mother ancestry comes from? Your results are similar to my grandfather's results, he is 1\2 German from Baltic States and 1\4 Belarussian and Russian.
My mum is from the novgorod area. and yes the results to your grandfather are similar! Idk what a German from the Baltic states is like though, is it similar to scandinavians?

@All-in MDLP k23b and Eurogenes k13 are closest for me i think, yeah. I heard about MDLP K13 Ultimate on this forum and i heard it was one of the best but i dont see it on gedmatch

EDIT:

@Arduti: if i am understanding you right, then that makes sense! what you are saying is that because MDLP is able to place me "closer" to a group than Eurogenes, that it is the most accurate for me in this case?

[Not a Cop]

@Siyendi oh i thought it was the russian equivolant of knights lol. too late to change it though :(


My mum is from the novgorod area. and yes the results to your grandfather are similar! Idk what a German from the Baltic states is like though, is it similar to scandinavians?

@All-in MDLP k23b and Eurogenes k13 are closest for me i think, yeah. I heard about MDLP K13 Ultimate on this forum and i heard it was one of the best but i dont see it on gedmatch

EDIT:

@Arduti: if i am understanding you right, then that makes sense! what you are saying is that because MDLP is able to place me "closer" to a group than Eurogenes, that it is the most accurate for me in this case?

Germans who came to baltic states during crusades and later, Teutonic, Livonian Orders, etc.

Well considering that his grandad had a German surname and grandmother had Johannsen surname i guess he's NW Euro side would turn out to be Danish-like, as calculators suggest.

MDLP K13 wasn't so great.

[Noman]

Eurogenes k36. Even I am South Asian, but the Oracle was precise.

[Karol Klačansky]

U mind sharing your eurogenes EU calc results so I can add you to my PCA? Not the k13 or k15 test just EU

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[Turul Karom]

Hi people,
sorry for just appearing and making this thread. I'm new to genetics, never really was interested in it before but i recently got a 23andme kit for a present. I got my a while ago but recently i was bored so i decided to take the raw file and upload it to gedmatch. I tried many different calculators and the results are interesting but hard to understand.

For background, my dad is Danish and my mum is Russian. So I am half and half north and east european I guess. so i thought in the gedmatch calculators it would show up with a close-ish even divide of DNA from these places. but i find my results really change a lot depending on what calculator i use. Eurogenes k15 makes me seem like I am mostly eastern euro. k13 puts it in the middle kind of (still slight bias towards eastern euro). Other calcs like Dodecad or MDLP are more even or slightly biased towards northern euro.

which calculator do you think is the most "correct" usually? i searched this before and i hear most people either say Eurogenes or MDLP k23b. i'd like opinions and maybe some suggestions of other calculators I can use. i can also post some of my oracle results if anyone is interested or can help me figure it out.

thank you very much

PS - i hope you guys like my name, i thought i was so clever coming up with it haha. :cool:

I thought the name was pretty cool. I would try as many calcs as possible. I think you will be surprised with all of the results. Each calculator focuses on different things, and different ones have different population samples as their references for what is say, Russian, Danish, German, etc. That is why it is important to use a plurality of them and try to find some averages. Still, only you know who you are, and the calculators just help you find the way to express that. Enjoy and have fun with them!

Here's a link to my own results:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?221145-Turul-Karom-GEDmatch-amp-DNA-Results

Hope I've been helpful!

[TeutonicBoyars]

Hi guys,
Thnx for all the thoughtful responses, its really nice people have been so helpful to me especially since i'm such a noob lol.

Anyway i was thinking maybe i can make a separate thread with all the GEDmatch tests i have taken, but only if people are interested? also can i post it in the same section? :eek:

PS @ Turuk Karom ty for explaining this to me! it was a really nice response.

PS @ Not-a-COP oh i see, that makes sense and its really cool! i also have a Johannsen in my father's family, maybe we're related! :O

[Karol Klačansky]

Hi guys,
Thnx for all the thoughtful responses, its really nice people have been so helpful to me especially since i'm such a noob lol.

Anyway i was thinking maybe i can make a separate thread with all the GEDmatch tests i have taken, but only if people are interested? also can i post it in the same section? :eek:

PS @ Turuk Karom ty for explaining this to me! it was a really nice response.

PS @ Not-a-COP oh i see, that makes sense and its really cool! i also have a Johannsen in my father's family, maybe we're related! :OCan u post your eurogenes EU results? Also your dodecad v3

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