Post your Gencove results (transfer)

[Kriptc06]

This is another one of those tools that give you an ethinicity estimate and pretty map.
Gencove.com

Mine:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18770&d=1505521818

[RN97]

Dont see anthing

[TEUTORIGOS]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/genocove_zps5159wqvf.png

[RN97]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/genocove_zps5159wqvf.png

How did u do that? Genecove.com leads to nowhere...

[Kriptc06]

Pardon me, it's gencove.com , when I wrote I thought of geneplaza. I'm sorry.
How did u do that? Genecove.com leads to nowhere...

[Not a Cop]

Not bad actually, going to do it for grandparents.

https://i.imgur.com/JGt7IDx.png

[Peterski]

My results:

https://i.imgur.com/Mc8S0T3.png

[Mortimer]

https://s26.postimg.org/p7vnvyzqx/Gencove.jpg

[Sikeliot]

https://s26.postimg.org/p7vnvyzqx/Gencove.jpg

15% of you is closely shared with the Rohingya. Just a thought. :lol:

[Dibran]

how long does it take to analyze?

[Kriptc06]

how long does it take to analyze?

It's very fast mine took half an our, other people got it faster like 15 mins.

[Dibran]

It's very fast mine took half an our, other people got it faster like 15 mins.

Do you have to pay for it first? I uploaded my raw data files from 23/ancestry/ldna like 2 hours ago... still says analyzing data

[Kriptc06]

No bro, it's free.
Do you have to pay for it first? I uploaded my raw data files from 23/ancestry/ldna like 2 hours ago... still says analyzing data

[Dibran]

No bro, it's free.

why the hell is it taking over 2 hours if it takes 15-30 minutes lol.

[Kriptc06]

No idea, maybe now people created a jam there, idk
why the hell is it taking over 2 hours if it takes 15-30 minutes lol.

[Sikeliot]

Mine is taking over one hour now...

[Noman]

http://i.imgur.com/aYPzziC.jpg

[Dick]

No idea, maybe now people created a jam there, idk

Because Sikeliot uploaded one million Sicilian and greek raw datas.

[Sikeliot]

Because Sikeliot uploaded one million Sicilian and greek raw datas.

I didn't. I uploaded my mother.

[Dick]

I didn't. I uploaded my mother.

Your mom's a milf. I'd upload her too.

[Sikeliot]

Your mom's a milf. I'd upload her too.

Ew. she is getting married so sorry for you, you have no chance.

[Dick]

Ew. she is getting married so sorry for you, you have no chance.

Are you single?

[Sikeliot]

Are you single?

Fuck off.

[Dick]

Fuck off.

Playing hard to get, eh.

[Loki]

I've registered and uploaded my data. Just waiting for it to process now.

[Freeroostah]

........

67553

[oszkar07]

My Gencove Results

15% Eastern Mediterranean

10% Southwestern Europe

39% Northeast Europe

37% Northern and Central Europe

[Dibran]

Eastern Mediterranean
Reference populations: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.

Southwestern Europe
Reference populations: Southern French, Spanish, Basque, and Sardinian.


My Results:

23andme:

https://s26.postimg.org/hxn0n4czd/gen23.jpg

Ancestry:

https://s26.postimg.org/wuvho4q7t/genan.jpg

My Father:

https://s26.postimg.org/pg65vr4c9/genr.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

It keeps on saying "Please provide a supported file type" when I upload my Ftdna file to it which is a CSV file. What file type do I need?

[Sikeliot]

The Eastern Mediterranean cluster needs fixing. Grouping Sicilians with Balkan Slavs makes no sense to me. That cluster should be Sicilian, Cypriot, and Maltese while Balkan Slavs should be separate and Greeks should have their own category.

[RN97]

FtDNA:
https://i.imgur.com/LWgIx0m.png

23andme:
https://i.imgur.com/Mu625R6.png

[Kelmendasi]

FtDNA:
[ig]https://i.imgur.com/LWgIx0m.png[/img]

23andme:
[ig]https://i.imgur.com/Mu625R6.png[/img]
What file type did you upload for Ftdna? I uploaded a CSV file with my Ftdna data but it kept on saying that it doesn't support the file type

[RN97]

The Eastern Mediterranean cluster needs fixing. Grouping Sicilians with Balkan Slavs makes no sense to me. That cluster should be Sicilian, Cypriot, and Maltese while Balkan Slavs should be separate and Greeks should have their own category.

You need to look at the actual samples man:
Eastern Mediterranean
Reference populations: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.
Maybe Bulgaria is a bit off, but so is Cyprus. It makes sense sorta.

[Peterski]

What file type did you upload for Ftdna? I uploaded a CSV file with my Ftdna data but it kept on saying that it doesn't support the file type

Rename it to the same name as it was called when you downloaded it from FTDNA.

[Kelmendasi]

Rename it to the same name as it was called when you downloaded it from FTDNA.
It is the same name but idk why it isn't working

[Sikeliot]

You need to look at the actual samples man:
Eastern Mediterranean
Reference populations: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.
Maybe Bulgaria is a bit off, but so is Cyprus. It makes sense sorta.

Some Sicilians/Maltese are close to Cyprus. Certainly Bulgaria is the outlier compared to them, though frankly it is skewing Greek results now because if you had just the East Med w/o Bulgaria or Greece, Greeks and Albanians would score a northern component; now they score none.

[Damião de Góis]

It looks like it's the same exact results as DNA.Land. Took me 10 minutes.

http://oi68.tinypic.com/w8tf01.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

Finally uploaded the raw data

[oszkar07]

You need to look at the actual samples man:
Eastern Mediterranean
Reference populations: Malta, Sicily, Cyprus, Greece, Albania, and Bulgaria.
Maybe Bulgaria is a bit off, but so is Cyprus. It makes sense sorta.

On their map for East Med , it shades the entire Balkan region.
I think the ref populations look similiar to what Dna land uses for Balkan, these 2 sites are only ones Ive come across so far that give me some slightly significant East Med/Balkan scores.

[Kelmendasi]

Puro-Shqiptar-Ilir ;)

https://s26.postimg.org/b311jew2h/image_46.png

[Kelmendasi]

........

67553
Same as me bro :thumb001:

[Freeroostah]

Same as me bro :thumb001:

It cant get more accurate than that xD

[Kelmendasi]

It cant get more accurate than that xD
True dat :cool:. All of my ancestors come from Albania iirc so yh it can't get anymore accurate :)

[Loki]

True dat :cool:. All of my ancestors come from Albania iirc so yh it can't get anymore accurate :)

You and Freeroostah the same, just goes to show that some Greeks and Albanians are very similar; kinsmen. :)

[Loki]

Here is me. Fairly diverse European, but with a strong northwestern majority.

https://image.ibb.co/mKCgZQ/Clipboard01.jpg

[Kelmendasi]

You and Freeroostah the same, just goes to show that some Greeks and Albanians are very similar; kinsmen. :)
We are both natives on the Balkan :)

[Dibran]

We are both natives on the Balkan :)

Idk how accurate it is. Apparently Tuscan and Bergamo are grouped into the southwest reference. I get 100 southeast on myorigins. Interestingly the ancestrydna file has some elevated southwest euro. I wonder why so high, considering I get no Iberian in ancestry. Unless the aforementioned Tuscan and Bergamo included in southwest euro is the balkan of that component. I do shift towards Sardinia. My father moreso(as can be seen by his more elevated percentage compared to mine on 23andme).

[Bosniensis]

This isn't correct, since we are Slavs.

https://i.imgur.com/VOQ6lFX.png

[RN97]

You and Freeroostah the same, just goes to show that some Greeks and Albanians are very similar; kinsmen. :)

No, it's due to Albanians and Greeks being counted as 100% eastern med in their algorithm. Cypriots and Bulgarians would probably also get 100% east med in that calc. It's just how it works.

[kingjohn]

Idk how accurate it is. Apparently Tuscan and Bergamo are grouped into the southwest reference. I get 100 southeast on myorigins. Interestingly the ancestrydna file has some elevated southwest euro. I wonder why so high, considering I get no Iberian in ancestry. Unless the aforementioned Tuscan and Bergamo included in southwest euro is the balkan of that component. I do shift towards Sardinia. My father moreso(as can be seen by his more elevated percentage compared to mine on 23andme).

they not lumped they just don't have those refernces like dna land
so some of those north central italian genes go to the south west category
at least thats what happen in my case
as i scored 6% south west europe in dna land
and now 23%
we know it is the same algoritem as dna land
just lower number of references and that effect the damm results .... :)


they also put {balkan + med islander under east med category } the stupid thing to do
again a bad version of dna land

[Kelmendasi]

No, it's due to Albanians and Greeks being counted as 100% eastern med in their algorithm. Cypriots and Bulgarians would probably also get 100% east med in that calc. It's just how it works.
Yh, Im basically 100% identical to the Albanian reference

[Drenica]

https://s20.postimg.org/bj1kmss8d/IMG_20170916_174133.png

[Peterski]

It looks like it's the same exact results as DNA.Land.

In my case there are some minor differences:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220367-Post-all-your-autosomal-results-in-one-thread&p=4632243&viewfull=1#post4632243

DNA.Land:

55% North Slavic
36% NW Euro
8.2% Balkan
1.3% SC Euro

GenePlaza:

58% North Slavic
29% NW Euro
6.2% SW Euro
5% Mediterranean
1.4% Ambiguous

Gencove:

54% NE Euro
39% N/C Euro
5% East Med
4% SW Euro

[Oneeye]

I just uploaded the file from my phone and it only took 10 minutes for them to complete.

http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u399/hammer1115/Screenshot_20170916-093108_zpsxgjdxcqh.jpg (http://s1065.photobucket.com/user/hammer1115/media/Screenshot_20170916-093108_zpsxgjdxcqh.jpg.html)

[kingjohn]

one last thing how can i score more south west european than my mother and father ??????
:picard1:

[Vascontelo]

Finally uploaded the raw data

Which file did you use?

[Vascontelo]

Which file did you use?

Nevermind, i did it.

[Drenica]

Which file did you use?

Just take the build 37 autosomal raw data

[Vascontelo]

Which file did you use?

Nevermind, i did it.

[Loki]

This isn't correct, since we are Slavs.

https://i.imgur.com/VOQ6lFX.png

No. You are Slavicized Illyrians. So it looks like you are 27% Slav, which is very plausible.

[Drenica]

No. You are Slavicized Illyrians.

27% North East European is Slavic. Some South Slavs score more, others less, depends on the individual. Some also get North European/Central+East Euro. They are mixed with native people but for sure not simply Slavicized Ilyrians if that was the case they wouldn't score what they do , more like Slavs mixed with Vlachs and Albanians.

[Sikeliot]

I noticed that this test is not good tap picking up minor admixture.

[firemonkey]

FTDNA uploads just don't seem to finish analysing.

[Loki]

27% North East European is Slavic. Some South Slavs score more, others less, depends on the individual. Some also get North European/Central+East Euro. They are mixed with native people but for sure not simply Slavicized Ilyrians if that was the case they wouldn't score what they do , more like Slavs mixed with Vlachs and Albanians.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Genetically you are part-Slav, i.e. 27% according to this report. Which is about what I expect from the genetic input of Slavs to your area. The rest of your genome is pre-Slavic Balkanic. Hence "Slavicized Illyrian".

[Kamal900]

You upload your FTDNA Autosomal DNA 36, right?

[Sp_loa]

67573

47% Eastern Mediterranean (Balkans and Southern Italy). I believe it's something like 30% Southern Italy and 17% Northern Greece.
18% Middle east (Egypt, Levant and Arabian peninsula). I believe that I'm 18% Levantine because FTDNA gives me only West Middle East (Levant) and not east middle east (Arabia)
16% North African (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya and Egypt). I assume this DNA comes from berbers tribes of Morocco and Algeria.
14% Southwestern Europe (Iberian peninsula, Southern France and Northern Italy).
4% Ashkenazi Jewish.
3% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau. In my case It's probably trace of some Turkish blood.

This test is very like Dna.land..
My conclusion from all of the DNA tests that I have done is that I'm about 60% Southern European, 20% Middle eastern (mostly levantine with some turk) and 20% North African Berber.

[Vascontelo]

I'm still waiting. Uploaded 4 hours ago lol

[Ylla]

finally ! Lol

http://i67.tinypic.com/24cvbe9.png

[Karol Klačansky]

here are my results

https://image.ibb.co/kSfoYk/gencove_results.png (https://ibb.co/kfN2tk)

[Potentia]

Right on.

My highest ancestry is Native American.

https://i.gyazo.com/be7c6c44baf7e6981f1c5f6391dd6317.png

[TEUTORIGOS]

https://media.giphy.com/media/9FKYzA9O7l0Os/giphy.gif

Don't troll me you dumb as shit Polack. AncestryDNA has my Melanesia score as less than 1% and Eurogenes K36 has it as less than 1% too . In fact, k36 has it as only 0.50% so it is likely just statistical noise. AncestryDNA and 23andme are more reputable than this newbie company.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-H7j_HYasWFk/UMUJg7CP_QI/AAAAAAAAB_k/ZqGmpKi4uzc/s1600/358qci.jpg

[Karol Klačansky]

here are my dads results. significant increase in south east europe

https://image.ibb.co/e8gRm5/gencove_dad.png (https://ibb.co/b2VK65)

[Loki]

here are my dads results. significant increase in south east europe

https://image.ibb.co/e8gRm5/gencove_dad.png (https://ibb.co/b2VK65)

south west you mean

[Token]

Interesting, they classify Northeast Italy as 'Northern and Central Europe'. Makes sense.

[Kriptc06]

Right on.

My highest ancestry is Native American.

[IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/be7c6c44baf7e6981f1c5f6391dd6317.pngMG]
Mine too, their sample must include mixed people, not pure natives, or its the ANE taking place.And this test flipped 2% ssa as North Africa, I always suspected such.

[FilhoV]

Mine (Portuguese).
https://i.imgur.com/AsUtG49.png

The other 16% is Northwestern Europe

[kingjohn]

my results :
33% aschenazi
23% south west Europe
12% east med
17% middle eastern { the Arabic blood /genes who effect my phenotype so much}
8% Anatolia Caucasus iran
and
the Aryan genes { 8% central Indian { indo -iranian groups used as reference}

[Karol Klačansky]

south west you meanNo, my dad has 16 percent east med while I only have six. I have 16 percent south west med while he has only 9.

Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

[Drenica]

I noticed that this test is not good tap picking up minor admixture.

23andme is the best for that. Never seen anyone there get over 95% Balkan but maybe its because it has things like broadly south European etc. which probably falls into Balkan on these other tests.

[Stears]

Feiichy's results


https://i.imgur.com/623KwOu.png

[Bosniensis]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Genetically you are part-Slav, i.e. 27% according to this report. Which is about what I expect from the genetic input of Slavs to your area. The rest of your genome is pre-Slavic Balkanic. Hence "Slavicized Illyrian".

But it has been said that I2-din has been brought to Balkans with Slavic migrations. So 70%of I2 people on Balkans came from Baltic, there are almost no E1b1 V13 (Greek, Illyrian) people in Bosnia, number are VERY low.

So according to that theory we are 80%+ Slavic. right?

[Drenica]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Genetically you are part-Slav, i.e. 27% according to this report. Which is about what I expect from the genetic input of Slavs to your area. The rest of your genome is pre-Slavic Balkanic. Hence "Slavicized Illyrian".

Actually, 27% Slavic is quite below average for Bosnia or Croatia. You can see Feiichys results above to see my point. Bosniensis has ancestry from Montenegro so he gets less.

[Drenica]

But it has been said that I2-din has been brought to Balkans with Slavic migrations. So 70%of I2 people on Balkans came from Baltic, there are almost no E1b1 V13 (Greek, Illyrian) people in Bosnia, number are VERY low.

So according to that theory we are 80%+ Slavic. right?

Thats just counting paternal ancestry. The high I2a1b in West Balkans is a founder effect. But I would say average Croat is for sure 50%++ Slavic. Dalmatians and Herzegovinians are probably less. I'm not sure.

[Stears]

Actually, 27% Slavic is quite below average for Bosnia or Croatia. You can see Feiichys results above to see my point. Bosniensis has ancestry from Montenegro so he gets less.

The northeast component not slavic. Hungarian people get that too. It includes baltic and finnougric populations too, see:

Northeast Europe

Reference populations: Belarusian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Mordovian, Finnish, Russian, and Ukranian.

Real slavic component should be based on Polish people.

[Drenica]

The northeast component not slavic. Hungarian people get that too. It includes baltic and finnougric populations too, see:

Northeast Europe

Reference populations: Belarusian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Mordovian, Finnish, Russian, and Ukranian.

Real slavic component should be based on Polish people.

It is Slavic/Baltic. Polish people get it too with some North Central Euro. Both fall into Slavic ancestry for South Slavs and was brought by Slavic migrations.

23andme gives South Slavs even less Balkan.

[Kelmendasi]

It is Slavic/Baltic. Polish people get it too with some North Central Euro. Both fall into Slavic ancestry for South Slavs and was brought by Slavic migrations.

23andme gives South Slavs even less Balkan.
23andme gives them around 50% or something like that

[Ilma]

My results :

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/214792gencove1.jpg (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=214792gencove1.jpg)

63% Southwestern Europe

Reference populations: Southern French, Spanish, Basque, and Sardinian.

31% Northern and Central Europe

Reference populations: Norwegian, Orcadian, Scottish, British, Icelandic.

6% Northeast Europe

Reference populations: Belarusian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Mordovian, Finnish, Russian, and Ukranian.

Same as DNAland I'm scoring some Northeast Europe for some reason.

Do you guys have the same reference populations as me or does it change depending everyone ? :confused: I think their reference populations are pretty restrictive...

[Peterski]

My results:

https://i.imgur.com/Mc8S0T3.png

Just for reference, all of my 8 great-grandparents were born here:

https://i.imgur.com/OZM0WuD.png

So my genetic ancestry is "quite dispersed" compared to that.

I got 54% of North-East Europe. I wonder how much will mlukas get.

On most tests he is north-eastern shifted compared to me.


But it has been said that I2-din has been brought to Balkans with Slavic migrations. So 70%of I2 people on Balkans came from Baltic, there are almost no E1b1 V13 (Greek, Illyrian) people in Bosnia, number are VERY low.

So according to that theory we are 80%+ Slavic. right?

You have more Slavic Y-DNA than Slavic mtDNA. You are Slavic men + Balkan women.

Just like Mexicans are descended mostly from Spanish men + Aztec etc. women.

Of course some of your Y-DNA is Non-Slavic (in Mexico there is also Native Y-DNA).


It is Slavic/Baltic. Polish people get it too with some North Central Euro. Both fall into Slavic ancestry for South Slavs and was brought by Slavic migrations.

Isn't Feiichy part German? But I don't remember what percent.

[Drenica]

You have more Slavic Y-DNA than Slavic mtDNA. You are Slavic men + Balkan women.

Just like Mexicans are descended mostly from Spanish men + Aztec etc. women.

Of course some of your Y-DNA is Non-Slavic (in Mexico there is also Native Y-DNA).



Isn't Feiichy part German? But I don't remember what percent.

IDK but she has Bosniak ancestry.

Anyway, i dont think getting 100% Balkan is correct, a lot of these autosomal tests suck at picking up minor admixture for some people or they give different results. But mine have been the same. My final destination will be 23andme. I have suspected some Goth ancestry based on matches but I could be wrong. 23andme maybe could tell me something as nothing so far has given me non Balkan

[Seya]

https://i.imgur.com/T2jqbmb.jpg

[Bosniensis]

https://i.imgur.com/T2jqbmb.jpg

Asia O.o

[Peterski]

IDK but she has Bosniak ancestry.

Anyway, i dont think getting 100% Balkan is correct, a lot of these autosomal tests suck at picking up minor admixture for some people or they give different results. But mine have been the same. My final destination will be 23andme. I have suspected some Goth ancestry based on matches but I could be wrong. 23andme maybe could tell me something as nothing so far has given me non Balkan

Croat + some German, also Bosniak?


Anyway, i dont think getting 100% Balkan is correct, a lot of these autosomal tests suck at picking up minor admixture

I agree. You get 100% because they used Albanians as references.

They should use ancient samples instead, for example Mycenaeans.

[Bosniensis]

IDK but she has Bosniak ancestry.

Anyway, i dont think getting 100% Balkan is correct, a lot of these autosomal tests suck at picking up minor admixture for some people or they give different results. But mine have been the same. My final destination will be 23andme. I have suspected some Goth ancestry based on matches but I could be wrong. 23andme maybe could tell me something as nothing so far has given me non Balkan

I am MALE not female.

We are not ashamed of our Slavic roots, I've removed all Balkan related permission groups, after all... Slavs are the most numerous people on Balkans.

[Drenica]

Croat + some German, also Bosniak?

Yeah, something like that. :)

[Peterski]

I'm scoring some Northeast Europe for some reason.

http://www.au.dk/en/news/single/artikel/harold-bluetooths-vikings-were-polish-mercenaries/ :)

http://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?sKey=ac1ca3bb-2232-49e5-b2f8-4292c03316e6&cKey=14dca6cd-3337-4e69-964b-8d8de88a982d&mKey=724c3001-0be7-4c9f-b314-ddac3db6fc2a

[Drenica]

I am MALE not female.

We are not ashamed of our Slavic roots, I've removed all Balkan related permission groups, after all... Slavs are the most numerous people on Balkans.

Im not talking about you dude, but feiichy.

Yeah, now youre proud to be slav, yesterday thracian dacian , before that ilyrian hahahaha hahaha. Tomorrow Avar hahaha hahahaha... but you are in reality slavo vlachs

I dont think even Albanians are purely Ilyrians or unchanged since bronze age let alone South Slav.... we did absorb some goths and slavs.

[Ilma]

http://www.au.dk/en/news/single/artikel/harold-bluetooths-vikings-were-polish-mercenaries/ :)

http://www.abstractsonline.com/Plan/ViewAbstract.aspx?sKey=ac1ca3bb-2232-49e5-b2f8-4292c03316e6&cKey=14dca6cd-3337-4e69-964b-8d8de88a982d&mKey=724c3001-0be7-4c9f-b314-ddac3db6fc2a

That's fascinating, thanks ! So it could come from my maternal Norman side, all the Danes who settled in Normandy were at the places all my grandma ancestry is from... And here you and me have matching segments ! :viking1:

http://www.tassel.fr/norm_s~4.gif

[Seya]

I am MALE not female.

We are not ashamed of our Slavic roots, I've removed all Balkan related permission groups, after all... Slavs are the most numerous people on Balkans.

how? what happened to the Roman Empire?

[Bosniensis]

Im not talking about you dude, but feiichy.

Yeah, now youre proud to be slav, yesterday thracian dacian , before that ilyrian hahahaha hahaha. Tomorrow Avar hahaha hahahaha... but you are in reality slavo vlachs

I dont think even Albanians are purely Ilyrians or unchanged since bronze age let alone South Slav.... we did absorb some goths and slavs.

Well, when I said Thracian... everyone said.. oo no you are not you are Slav

When I said Romanian Vlach.. people said no you are not you are Slav

Now you say, You are not Slav. you are SLAVOVLACH whatever the fuck that is.

rofl.

[Drenica]

Well, when I said Thracian... everyone said.. oo no you are not you are Slav

When I said Romanian Vlach.. people said no you are not you are Slav

Now you say, You are not Slav. you are SLAVOVLACH whatever the fuck that is.

rofl.

You must be crazy in the head to think you are purely Thracian or Ilyrian and unchanged since Bronze Age when even Albanians aren't or Romanians. But Bosniaks like Hrujl and The Destroyer believe they are purely natives. And even Robocop believed it. And many other South Slavs including you.

I never said you are purely Slavs, and I think most people never said that either as I dont believe that personally, that would be ignorant, but you were denying your Slavic admixture rather in favor of Ilir/Thrak. Should rather accept both.. and depends on individual... Slavo vlach means Slavs mixed with Vlachs (Romanized people) which is what I always said you are.


I dont need to identify with Ilyrians/Thracians anyway but Albanians are prob a mix of those mostly with some foreign input here and there


And Slavic is a linguistic group and west slavs and east slavs vary genetically

[Drenica]

how? what happened to the Roman Empire?

It went underwater and became known as Atlantis. Bosniensis is from Atlantis.

[Bosniensis]

You must be crazy in the head to think you are purely Thracian or Ilyrian and unchanged since Bronze Age when even Albanians aren't or Romanians. But Bosniaks like Hrujl and The Destroyer believe they are purely natives. And even Robocop believed it. And many other South Slavs including you.

I never said you are purely Slavs, and I think most people never said that either as I dont believe that personally, that would be ignorant, but you were denying your Slavic admixture rather in favor of Ilir/Thrak. Should rather accept both.. and depends on individual... Slavo vlach means Slavs mixed with Vlachs (Romanized people) which is what I always said you are.


I dont need to identify with Ilyrians/Thracians anyway but Albanians are prob a mix of those mostly with some foreign input here and there

Ok, Albanians ,Greeks and other European scientists have said:

1. I2a-CTS10228 is completely alien to Balkans.

2. People in my Region are 70% I2a-CTS10228 ( SO WE HAVEN'T MIXED)

3. They said I2a-CTS10228 is from Ukraine and Russia SO...

We are at least 80% Slav, cause we haven't mixed with anyone.

I've designated us as Romans before cause I believed that I2a-CTS10228 was Illyrian, Thracian or even Celtic. But it isn't, it's 100% Slavic from Ukraine and Russia.

If it's true that I2a-CTS10228 is Slavic, we are PURE slavs here, and it also confirms that we have killed all E1b1 V13 and J2a; G2 people who were natives in Bosnia, Serbia, etc..

[Kelmendasi]

Ok, Albanians ,Greeks and other European scientists have said:

1. I2a-CTS10228 is completely alien to Balkans.

2. People in my Region are 70% I2a-CTS10228 ( SO WE HAVEN'T MIXED)

3. They said I2a-CTS10228 is from Ukraine and Russia SO...

We are at least 80% Slav, cause we haven't mixed with anyone.

I've designated us as Romans before cause I believed that I2a-CTS10228 was Illyrian, Thracian or even Celtic. But it isn't, it's 100% Slavic from Ukraine and Russia.

If it's true that I2a-CTS10228 is Slavic, we are PURE slavs here, and it also confirms that we have killed all E1b1 V13 and J2a; G2 people who were natives in Bosnia, Serbia, etc..
Just because you didn't absorb the Ydna it doesn't mean that you didn't mix with the natives, I guess it shows that it was mainly Slav men who took female Vlachs or other natives

[Drenica]

Just because you didn't absorb the Ydna it doesn't mean that you didn't mix with the natives, I guess it shows that it was mainly Slav men who took female Vlachs or other natives

Its a founder effect,



the figure shown, the original population has nearly equal numbers of blue and red individuals. The three smaller founder populations show that one or the other color may predominate (founder effect), due to random sampling of the original population. A population bottleneck may also cause a founder effect, though it is not strictly a new population.



Bottle neck effect is a similar case, ydna % in populations are a result of such things and probably even occured in hunter gatherers such as I being dominant. Same for Ghegs pred. Being r1b, j2b2, ev13 could be bottle neck effect... tosks have different % and more i2a1b probably bottle neck effect too... means nothing in terms of autosomal admixture...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder_effect
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck


G today in Europeans barely is found as it became less dominant , same for I2a2 in native Balkanites... both were found a lot in ancient remains, same with T1... bottke neck effect made them less dominant and others more dominant

[Bosniensis]

Just because you didn't absorb the Ydna it doesn't mean that you didn't mix with the natives, I guess it shows that it was mainly Slav men who took female Vlachs or other natives

Yes but paternal ancestry is the most important, I can't call myself Vlach because of woman...

[Kelmendasi]

Its a founder effect,



Bottle neck effect is a similar case, ydna % in populations are a result of such things and probably even occured in hunter gatherers such as I being dominant. Same for Ghegs pred. Being r1b, j2b2, ev13 could be bottle neck effect... tosks have different % and more i2a1b probably bottle neck effect too... means nothing in terms of autosomal admixture...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founder_effect
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
Yh, basically the I2a1b men fucked a lot in that region and made many sons lol

[RN97]

My results :

[/URL]

63% Southwestern Europe

[U]Reference populations: Southern French, Spanish, Basque, and Sardinian.

31% Northern and Central Europe

Reference populations: Norwegian, Orcadian, Scottish, British, Icelandic.

6% Northeast Europe

Reference populations: Belarusian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Mordovian, Finnish, Russian, and Ukranian.

Same as DNAland I'm scoring some Northeast Europe for some reason.

Do you guys have the same reference populations as me or does it change depending everyone ? :confused: I think their reference populations are pretty restrictive...

It's dumb how a Norman gets less c/ n. Euro than me. Seems to be quite a sketchy calc.

[Kelmendasi]

Yes but paternal ancestry is the most important, I can't call myself Vlach because of woman...
Imo all ancestry is just as important

[Drenica]

Yh, basically the I2a1b men fucked a lot in that region and made many sons lol

Idk if its that but the bottke neck was interesting to read.. most people on TA have no idea about these things but it has occured in a lot of European populations including Albanians and effects ydna %



population bottleneck or genetic bottleneck is a sharp reduction in the size of a population due to environmental events (such as earthquakes, floods, fires, disease, or droughts) or human activities (such as genocide). Such events can reduce the variation in the gene pool of a population; thereafter, a smaller population, with a correspondingly smaller genetic diversity, remains to pass on genes to future generations of offspring through sexual reproduction. Genetic diversity remains lower, only increasing when gene flow with another population occurs or very slowly increasing with time as random mutations occur.[1] As a consequence of such population size reductions and the loss of genetic variation, the robustness of the population is reduced and its ability to adapt to and survive selecting environmental changes, like climate change or a shift in available resources, is reduced.[2] Alternatively, if by chance survivors of the bottleneck are the individuals with the greatest genetic fitness, the frequency of the fitter genes within the gene pool is increased, while the pool itself is reduced.

The genetic drift caused by a population bottleneck can change the proportional distribution of alleles by chance and even lead to fixation or loss of alleles. Due to the smaller population size after a bottleneck event, the chances of inbreeding and genetic homogeneity increase, leading to the potential for inbreeding depression to occur. Smaller population size can also cause deleterious mutations to accumulate[3]

A slightly different form of a bottleneck can occur if a small group becomes reproductively (e.g. geographically) separated from the main population, such as through a founder event where for example a few members of a species successfully colonize a new isolated island, or from small captive breeding programs such as animals at a zoo. Alternatively, invasive species can undergo population bottlenecks through founder events when introduced into their invaded range[4]

Population bottlenecks play an important role in conservation biology (see minimum viable population size) and in the context of agriculture (biological and pest control).[5]

[Kelmendasi]

Idk if its that but the bottke neck was interesting to read.. most people on TA have no idea about these things but it has occured in a lot of European populations including Albanians and effects ydna %
Yh I learnt about bottle necks in biology and how it happens to certain animal species and how some inbreed to boost up their numbers.

[Erronkari]

Interesting! Basically same results of other calculators...


https://i.imgur.com/6LL0G1l.png

https://i.imgur.com/H9pyDmY.png

https://i.imgur.com/yVBBD2d.png

https://i.imgur.com/z30CgAV.png

[Karol Klačansky]

Just for reference, all of my 8 great-grandparents were born here:

https://i.imgur.com/OZM0WuD.png

So my genetic ancestry is "quite dispersed" compared to that.You only score 54% north east euro because they didn't use a Polish reference group, if they had you would be much higher. This calc makes us look about the same genetically when it comes to eastern and western European ancestry but on a PCA plot you cluster much closer to Slavic populations. It seems many calcs never take reference samples from your region.

Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

[kingjohn]

anakin no surprise
here:)
as one of the references for south west europe component in this calculator is basque
kind regards
adam

[Peterski]

You only score 54% north east euro because they didn't use a Polish reference group, if they had you would be much higher. This calc makes us look about the same genetically when it comes to eastern and western European ancestry but on a PCA plot you cluster much closer to Slavic populations. It seems many calcs never take reference samples from your region.

Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

Yeah but for example Not a Cop scores 84% North-East and only 10% North-West, despite being 1/8 German.

They have no Polish references, but my 39% North-West are genes that are not common among East Slavs.

If these genes were common among East Slavs and Balts, they would fall under the North-East category.

BTW - if they used Polish references from my region, people like Teutorigos and Ilma would score more North-East.

Here is how I see it - 39% of my genes were assigned to the North-West cluster by this algorithm, but these are probably not quite western genes, but also not quite eastern. Something that is specific to my region and different enough from Belarusians or Balts to not be assigned into the North-East cluster. Something Cemtral European that is counted as more western than eastern in this particular test.

Of course this is not actual British etc. ancestry, like in your case, since you are 25% American.


It seems many calcs never take reference samples from your region.

Yes, we are completely ignored despite being the oldest part of Poland and the "original Poles".

None of major genetic studies on Poles or Slavs in general included samples from my region! :eek:


so according to people here Finnish, Estonian Lithuanian people are more slavic than the Poles, because they score higher northeastern admixture. It is a bullshit.

How much of Finnish, Estonian, Mordovian and Lithuanian ancestry does Feiichy have ???

Croatians are not Finnic, Ugric or Baltic.


Slavic people do not originate in northeastern Europe !

So where? In North-Central Europe? Outside of Europe? I'm fully European on all tests:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220367-Post-all-your-autosomal-results-in-one-thread&p=4632243&viewfull=1#post4632243

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220367-Post-all-your-autosomal-results-in-one-thread&p=4647009&viewfull=1#post4647009

North-East Europe 54%

Reference populations: Belarusian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Mordovian, Finnish, Russian, Ukranian.

North-Central Europe 39%

Reference populations: Norwegian, Orcadian, Scottish, British, Icelandic.

==========

What is the origin of these alleles, or what admixtures do they represent in K36, is another story.

[Stears]

Yeah but for example Not a Cop scores 84% North-East and only 10% North-West, despite being 1/8 German.

They have no Polish references, but my 39% North-West are genes that are not common among East Slavs.

If these genes were common among East Slavs and Balts, they would fall under the North-East category.

BTW - if they used Polish references from my region, people like Teutorigos and Ilma would score more North-East.

so according to people here Finnish, Estonian Lithuanian people are more slavic than the Poles, because they score higher northeastern admixture. It is a bullshit.

Slavic people do not originate in northeastern Europe !

[Stears]

https://i.imgur.com/T2jqbmb.jpg

And when I say Romanians score more mongoloid and middle eastern admixture than the Hungarians, I am called chauvinist...

[Stears]

How much of Finnish, Estonian, Mordovian and Lithuanian ancestry does Feiichy have ???

Croatians are not Finnic, Ugric or Baltic.

So where? In North-Central Europe?

But Hungarians are not Slavic people, so it is false to say our northeastern admixture is Slavic. In Croatians it should be slavic.

why haven't they separated slavic from baltic and finnougric people ? They do not have identical genes.

[Stears]

Peterski, I think Slavic people originate from Poland Ukraine area, it does not qualify as northeastern Europe.

According to this test, you are just little over 50% ''slavic''. do you agree with that ?

[Peterski]

Peterski, I think Slavic people originate from Poland Ukraine area, it does not qualify as northeastern Europe.

According to this test, you are just little over 50% ''slavic''. do you agree with that ?

No, I disagree, I think I'm more Slavic than this.

[Stears]

No, I disagree, I think I'm more Slavic than this.

Yes, it was my point.

[Wrong]

https://i.imgur.com/wiGWimR.png

[Wrong]

And when I say Romanians score more mongoloid and middle eastern admixture than the Hungarians, I am called chauvinist...
Let's see your results then. ;) You have visible Balto-Uraloid traits.

[Stears]

Let's see your results then. ;) You have visible Balto-Uraloid traits.

hahaha, what is ''balto-uralic'' about me ? It does not exist in ethnic Hungarian people (we are not Russians)

I haven't get my results yet. But I am sure it will be 100% european.

[Peterski]

This is the oldest part of Poland, Greater Poland (Wielkopolska):

http://geoinfo.amu.edu.pl/sgp/LA/LA16/LA16_017-097.pdf

Important settlements and trade routes in Early Medieval times:

https://i.imgur.com/Ha7dvGG.png

Defensive wall of a Polish Early Medieval stronghold (reconstruction):

https://i.imgur.com/T5K5HRx.png

Red circles - main garrisons of the Polish army as of 1000 AD (according to Gallus Anonymus):

Poznań - 1300 loricati + 4000 clipeati + 200 loricati given to Otto III (on 11.03.1000)
Gniezno - 1500 loricati + 5000 clipeati
Włocławek - 800 loricati + 2000 clipeati + 100 loricati given to Otto III (on 11.03.1000)
Giecz - 300 loricati + 2000 clipeati

Total for these 4 locations: 17,200 warriors (14 units x 300 loricati & 13 units x 1000 clipeati).

Clipeati means "shieldmen" and loricati "armoured ones".

Orange circles - diocesan capitals founded by Bolesław I of Poland in 1000 AD:

https://s32.postimg.org/se09g7e11/Chrobry_Army.png

[Wrong]

hahaha, what is ''balto-uralic'' about me ? It does not exist in ethnic Hungarian people (we are not Russians)

I haven't get my results yet. But I am sure it will be 100% european.
Your results can be interesting, maybe I will be right or wrong about them.

[Ilma]

What is more triggerable to me for the Poles is that they made Poland the "Ashkenazi jew land" on their map...

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/183653ashkenazi.jpg (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=183653ashkenazi.jpg)

[Peterski]

The battle in Gau Diadesi in 1015 AD, according to Thietmar's Chronicle. The battle ended in destruction of the German rearguard during their retreat - German losses were "200 milites optimi" - distinguished knights - killed (apart from "optimi" perhaps also several hundred "milites gregarii" - regular knights - died too). This battle is a good example of Early Medieval tactics of Polish armies:

https://i.imgur.com/1QTFyB7.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_War_(1002–18)

Similar tactics was used at Cedynia in 972 when Polish infantry attacked the Germans from hilly ground and pushed them into swamps behind, while Polish cavalry chased down the remnants:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cedynia

https://dobroni.pl/foto_news/1_bitwa_pod_cedynia.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWqfHfDMByg

[Stears]

Just see the conflicts of Pure Hungary VS. Germany line-up.


Early Medieval Poles used heavy cavalry with light infantry and foot archers.

Magyars on the other hand fought mostly with light cavalry and horse archers:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJbwSOI3wX8


1030 German defeat, Hungarian king: Stephen I, German Emperor: Konrad II
1031 German defeat, Hungarian king: Stephen I, German Emperor: Konrad II
1051 German defeat, Hungarian king: Andrew I, German Emperor: Henry IV
1053 German defeat, Hungarian king: Andrew I, German Emperor: Henry IV
1074 German defeat, Hungarian king: Solomon I, German Emperor: Henry IV


Siege of Hainburg (1482)
Battle of Leitzersdorf (1484)
Occupation of Vienna (1485)
Siege of Retz (1486)
Siege of Wiener Neustadt (1487)

[kingjohn]

What is more triggerable to me for the Poles is that they made Poland the "Ashkenazi jew land" on their map...

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/183653ashkenazi.jpg (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=183653ashkenazi.jpg)

we have been there from 1300 ad to 1939
for good and worse this was a big aschenazi home
many poles have shared segment with aschenazi jews
and the 5.5% slavic genes i score in eurogens k36 { 99.99999% it is polish source}

[Stears]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Kalandozasok.jpg

Before the Hungarian Conquest[edit source (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe&action=edit&section=5)]



839 – The Hungarians, who then lived East to the Carpathians, in Etelköz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etelk%C3%B6z), fight at Lower Danube at the request of the First Bulgarian Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bulgarian_Empire) against the Byzantine insurgents.[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-B.C3.B3na-23)
861 – Saint Cyril (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Cyril_and_Methodius) is attacked in Crimea by Hungarians "screaming like wolves", but seeing him praying, they became peaceful.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-B.C3.B3na_Istv.C3.A1n_2000_p._13-24)
862 – First raid of the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Basin) at the request of Rastislav of Moravia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastislav_of_Moravia) against East Francia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Francia).[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-B.C3.B3na_Istv.C3.A1n_2000_p._13-24)
c. 870 – al-Djayhani and Ahmad ibn Rustah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Rustah) writes that the Hungarian tribes attack the Slavs and the Russians who live near their borders, defeat them continuously, forcing them to pay tribute, and drive many of them to Kerch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch) in Crimea, selling them to the Byzantines as slaves.[25] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-25)
881 – The Hungarian troops, helping the Morvaians, fight two battles against the Germans.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-B.C3.B3na_Istv.C3.A1n_2000_p._13-24)
882 – The Hungarian "king" meet with Saints Cyril and Methodius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saints_Cyril_and_Methodius) at the Lower Danube to discuss.[26] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-26)
892 – The Hungarian troops attack Great Moravia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moravia) in alliance with the East Francian king Arnulf of Carinthia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf_of_Carinthia).[27] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-27)
894

In alliance with Svatopluk I of Moravia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svatopluk_I_of_Moravia), the Hungarians attack the East Francian province of Pannonia. Svatopluk dies during this war.[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-R.C3.B3na-Tas_Andr.C3.A1s_1996-28)
The Bulgarians, led by Simeon I of Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_I_of_Bulgaria), attack the Byzantines, who ask for Hungarian help. A Hungarian army, led by Liüntika (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li%C3%BCntika), defeats the Bulgarian army in three battles (at the Danube, Silistra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silistra) and Preslav (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preslav)),[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Krist.C3.B3_.281993.29-6) and force Simeon to retreat to Silistra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silistra).[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-29)


895 – Simeon allies with the Pechenegs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechenegs), and attacks in alliance with them the Hungarians, forcing them to retreat towards West and enter in the Carpathian Basin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Basin). The Hungarians conquer the eastern parts of the Carpathian Basin (until the river Danube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube)). Here the Hungarians defeat the Bulgarians in Southern Transylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvania) and Tiszántúl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisz%C3%A1nt%C3%BAl), and end their power in the Carpathian Basin, starting with this the Hungarian Conquest (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Conquest).[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-30)

After the Hungarian Conquest[edit source (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe&action=edit&section=6)]



899 – The Hungarian troops attack the Italian Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Italy_(Holy_Roman_Empire)), and defeat, at 24 September, in the Battle of Brenta (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Brenta) the army of Berengar I of Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengar_I_of_Italy), burning Modena (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modena), and attacking Venice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice). Berengar accepts to pay them tribute.[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-31)
900 – The Hungarian army units conquer Pannonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia), after their alliance proposal to the East Francians was rejected. This was another step in the Hungarian Conquest.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-32)
901

Hungarian attack to Carinthia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthia) and Northern Italy.
April 11 or 18 – The Magyar army from Carinthia is defeated by margrave Ratold at Laibach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubljana).[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000-33)


902 – The Hungarians conquer the eastern parts of Great Moravia, ending with this the Hungarian Conquest of the Carpathian Basin, while the Slavs from West and North to this region, start to pay tribute to them.[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._9-34)
903 – A Hungarian unit raiding in Bavaria, is defeated near the river Fischa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischa).[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._9-34)
904

The Hungarian political and military leader Kurszán (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursz%C3%A1n) (kende (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kende), gyula (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyula_(title)) or horka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horka_(title))) is invited to a feast and then assassinated by the Bavarians.[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._9-34)
early summer – Hungarian troops go to Lombardy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombardy).[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._9-34)


905

King Berengar of Italy makes alliance with the Hungarians against his enemy, Louis of Provence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Blind), who declared himself emperor of Italy.
early summer – The Magyars defeat Louis of Provence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Blind), who is then blinded by Berengar.[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._11-35)


906 – Two Hungarian armies devastate, one after the other the Duchy of Saxony. The Magyars were asked to come by the Slavic tribe of Dalamancians, threatened by the Saxon attacks.[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._11-35)
907

July 4–6 – An East Francian army led by Luitpold, Margrave of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luitpold,_Margrave_of_Bavaria), which entered the Hungarian territory in order to expel the Hungarians from the Carpathian Basin, is annihilated by the Hungarian army in the Battle of Pressburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pressburg). Luitpold, Dietmar I, Archbishop of Salzburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietmar_I,_Archbishop_of_Salzburg), Prince Sieghard, 19 counts, 2 bishops and 3 abbots are killed in the battle, together with the majority of the soldiers.[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._9-34) This battle is considered the conclusion of the Hungarian Conquest.[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-36)
July–August – The Hungarians assault Bavaria, making great destructions, and occupying many towns, in their way home, defeating a Bavarian army at Lengenfeld (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lengenfeld). The Hungarian-Bavarian border is fixed on the Enns river (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enns_(river)).[37] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Aventinus-37)


908 – Hungarians attack Thuringia and Saxony, and on 3 August defeat in the Battle of Eisenach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Eisenach_(908)) the army of Burchard, Duke of Thuringia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burchard,_Duke_of_Thuringia). Burchard, Egino, Duke of Thuringia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egino,_Duke_of_Thuringia) and Rudolf I, Bishop of Würzburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_I,_Bishop_of_W%C3%BCrzburg), are killed in the battle.[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._12-38)
909

spring – Hungarian troops are raiding in Bavaria and Swabia.
August 4 – They burn the two churches of Freising (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freising) in Bavaria.
August 11 – The returning Hungarians are defeated at Pocking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocking) by the Bavarians led by Arnulf, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf,_Duke_of_Bavaria).[38] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._12-38)


910

June 12 – The Hungarians crush the army of the German king Louis the Child (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Child) in the first Battle of Augsburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lechfeld_(910)), led by Count Gozbert of Alemannia. The commander and Managolt, count of Alemannia are killed in the battle.
June 22 – The same Hungarian army enter Franconia, and defeat a united army of the duchies of Franconia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Franconia), Lotharingia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Lotharingia) and Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Bavaria) in the Battle of Rednitz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Rednitz). The German commander Gebhard, Duke of Lorraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebhard,_Duke_of_Lorraine) and Liudger, Count of Ladengau are killed in the battle.
King Louis the Child (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_the_Child) asks for peace and starts to pay a tribute.
The returning Hungarians plunder the outskirts of Regensburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regensburg), sack Altaich and Osterhofen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osterhofen), but one of their minor riding units is defeated by Arnulf, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf,_Duke_of_Bavaria) at Neuching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuching).[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-39)


911 – Hungarian troops cross Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria) and attack Swabia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swabia) and Franconia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franconia). They plunder the territories from Meinfeld to Aargau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aargau). After that, they cross the Rhine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine), and attack Burgundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgundy) for the first time.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._13-40)
912 – Hungarians attack Franconia and Thuringia, in order to force the new East Francian king, Conrad I of Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_I_of_Germany) to pay them tribute.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._13-40)
913 – Hungarian raid to Bavaria, Swabia and Northern Burgundy. At their return they face the combined army of Arnulf, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf,_Duke_of_Bavaria), Erchanger, Duke of Swabia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erchanger,_Duke_of_Swabia), dukes Udalrich and Berchtold, who defeat them (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Inn) at Aschbach by Inn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inn_(river)).[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-41)
914 – Duke Arnulf, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf,_Duke_of_Bavaria) and his family is forced to flee to Hungary by king Conrad I of Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_I_of_Germany). The Hungarians promise him help to regain his throne.[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._14-42)
915 – A Hungarian army devastates Swabia then Franconia. One of their plundering units attack the Fulda monastery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_monastery), but they are repelled, they burn the Abbey of Corvey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Abbey_of_Corvey), plunder the monastery St. Ida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_of_Herzfeld) in Herzfeld (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzfeld). In Saxony the Hungarians plunder Valun, then they burn Bremen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremen), and after defeating a Saxon army at Eresburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eresburg), they arrive to the Danish (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark) border.[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._14-42)
916 – A Hungarian army helps Arnulf, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf,_Duke_of_Bavaria), in his first, unsuccessful attack to regain his duchy.[42] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._14-42)
917

Attack to West

January 21 – The Hungarians sack and burn Basel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel), then invade the Duchy of Alsace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Alsace).
February – They enter Lotharingia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotharingia), destroying Verdun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdun), burning Moyenmoutier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moyenmoutier) and the monasteries of Saint-Dié-des-Vosges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-Di%C3%A9-des-Vosges) and Remiremont (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remiremont_Abbey).


With Hungarian help, Arnulf, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf,_Duke_of_Bavaria) reoccupies his realm from the forces of Conrad I of Germany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_I_of_Germany). After this he becomes a faithful ally of the Hungarians, paying them tribute, as well as his neighbour, Burchard II, Duke of Swabia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burchard_II,_Duke_of_Swabia).[43] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-43)
Hungarian troops are helping Simeon I of Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_I_of_Bulgaria) to defeat the Byzantines in the great Battle of Acheloos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Acheloos).[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._15-44)


919 - 920

After the election of Henry the Fowler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Fowler) as the new king of East Francia, a Hungarian army enters in Germany, and defeats Henry's forces in the Battle of Püchen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_P%C3%BCchen), then heads towards West.
The Hungarian army enters Lotharingia and France. King Charles the Simple (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_the_Simple) cannot gather enough forces to face them in a battle, retreats, and lets them to plunder his realm.[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._15-44)
Early 920, the same Hungarian army enter from West in Burgundy, then in Lombardy, and defeats the forces of Rudolf II of Burgundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_II_of_Burgundy), who attacked Berengar I of Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengar_I_of_Italy), the ally of the Principality of Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hungary). After that, the Magyars plunder the surrounding of those Italian cities, which they think that supported Rudolf: Bergamo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergamo), Piacenza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piacenza) and Nogara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nogara).[44] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._15-44)[45] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-45)


921 - 922

In 921 a Hungarian army led by Dursac and Bogát, enters Northern Italy, then annihilates between Brescia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brescia) and Verona (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verona) the forces of the Italian supporters of Rudolf II of Burgundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_II_of_Burgundy), killing the palatine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palatine) Odelrik, and taking as captive Gislebert, the count of Bergamo.
This army wents towards southern Italy, where it winters, and in January 922 plunders the regions between Rome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome) and Naples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naples).
February 4 – The Magyar army attacks Apulia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apulia) in Southern Italy, ruled by the Byzantines.[46] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-46)


924

Campaign in Italy and Southern France

Spring – Rudolf II of Burgundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_II_of_Burgundy) is elected by the Italian insurgents as king of Italy in Pavia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavia). Emperor Berengar I of Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berengar_I_of_Italy) asks help from the Hungarians, who send an army led by Szalárd, who burns Pavia and the war galleys on the shores of the Ticino river.
April 7 – When emperor Berengar is assassinated in Verona, the Hungarians went towards Burgundy. Rudolf II of Burgundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_II_of_Burgundy) and Hugh of Arles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_of_Italy) try to encircle them in the passes of the Alps (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alps), but the Hungarians escape from this ambush, and attack Gothia and the outskirts of Nîmes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%AEmes). They return home because a plague breaks out among them.[47] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-47)


Campaign in Saxony

Another Hungarian army plunders Saxony. The German king Henry the Fowler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Fowler) retreats in the castle of Werla (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werlaburgdorf). A Hungarian noble fells by accident in the hands of the Germans. King Henry uses this opportunity to enter in negotiations with the Hungarians, and to ask for peace, accepting to pay a tribute to the Principality of Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hungary).[48] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-48)



926

May 1–8 – Hungarian troops enter Swabia, as allies of the new Italian king, Hugh of Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_of_Italy), besiege Augsburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg),[49] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-49) then occupy the Abbey of Sankt Gallen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbey_of_Saint_Gall), where they spare the life of the monk Heribald, whose accounts give a detailed description about their traditions and way of life. From the abbey they send minor units to reconnoitre and plunder the surroundings. One of their units kills Saint Wiborada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiborada) who lived as anchoress in a wood nearby.
After May 8 – The Magyars besiege Konstanz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstanz), burning its suburbs, then head towards West in the direction of Schaffhausen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schaffhausen) and Basel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basel). One of their units is defeated by the locals at Säckingen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_S%C3%A4ckingen) on the shores of the Rhine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhine). The Hungarian army cross the Rhine with some captured ships into Alsace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace), and defeat the troops of count Liutfred. Then, following the Rhine they went towards North, sack the surroundings of Voncq (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voncq), arrive to the Atlantic Ocean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Ocean)'s shores, then head towards home via Reims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reims). On their way home, they renew the alliance with Arnulf, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnulf,_Duke_of_Bavaria).
July 29 – The Hungarians destroy Oberkirchen.[50] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-50)


927 – Hungarian troops, called by King Hugh of Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_of_Italy), to help margrave Peter against Pope John X (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_X) to regain his power in Rome, which they succeed. During and after these events, they plunder Tuscany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscany) and Apulia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apulia), taking many prisoners, and occupying the cities of Oria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oria,_Apulia) and Taranto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taranto).[51] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-51)
931 – A Hungarian army burns the Italian city of Piacenza (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piacenza).[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._20-52)
933

Beginning of March – Because the German king Henry the Fowler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_the_Fowler) refused to continue to pay tribute to the Principality of Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hungary), a Magyar army enters Saxony. They enter from the lands of the Slavic tribe of Dalamancians, who refuse their alliance proposal, then the Hungarians split in two, but soon the army which tries to outflank Saxony from west, is defeated by the combined forces of Saxony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxony) and Thuringia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuringia) near Gotha (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotha).
March 15 – The other army besieges Merseburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseburg), but after that, is defeated in the Battle of Riade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Riade) by the kings army.[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._20-52)


934

West

A Hungarian army raids in the environs of Metz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metz) in Lothariniga.[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._21-53)


Balkans

War between the Hungarians and the Pechenegs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pechenegs) but a peace is concluded after the news of a Bulgarian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians) attack against their territories, coming from the town of W.l.n.d.r (probably Belgrade (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgrade)). The Hungarians and the Pechenegs decide to attack this town.
April – The Hungarian - Pecheneg army defeats in the Battle of W.l.n.d.r (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_W.l.n.d.r) the relieving Byzantine - Bulgarian forces, then conquer the city, and plunder it for three days.
May–June – The allies plunder Bulgaria, then head towards Constantinople (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople), where they camp for 40 days, and sack Thrace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrace_(theme)), taking many captives. The Byzantine Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire) concludes a peace treaty with the Hungarians, ransom the captives, and accepts to pay tribute to the Principality of Hungary (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hungary).[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-54)



935 – Hungarian raid to Aquitaine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquitaine) and Bourges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourges). They return towards home in Burgundy and Northern Italy, where they plunder the environs of Brescia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brescia).[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._21-53)
936 - 937

End of 936 – The Hungarians, with the aim to force the new German king, Otto I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor), to pay them tribute, attack Swabia and Franconia, burn the Fulda monastery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulda_monastery), then enter Saxony, but the new kings forces repel them towards Lotharingia and West Francia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Francia).
February 21, 937 – They enter Lotharingia, crossing the Rhine at Worms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms,_Germany), and advance towards Namur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namur,_Belgium).
The Hungarians occupy the Abbey of Saint Basolus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basolus) from Verzy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verzy), which they use as headquarters, then send plundering units to attack the abbeys from Orbay, Saint Macra from Fîmes, the city of Bouvancourt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvancourt).
March 24 – They reach the city of Sens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sens), where they burn the Abbey of Saint Peter.
At Orléans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orl%C3%A9ans) they fight with the French army led by count Ebbes de Déols, who is wounded in the battle and dies afterwards. After this, the Hungarians, following the course of the Loire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loire), cross the whole France, until the Atlantic Ocean, then return towards South-East, and on their way to Burgundy, they plunder the surroundings of Bourges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourges).
After July 11 – The Hungarians enter Burgundy near Dijon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dijon), harrying the Monastery of Luxeuil (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxeuil-les-Bains), then they plunder the valley of the Rhône (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh%C3%B4ne), burn the city of Tournus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournus), occupy the monasteries of Saint Deicolus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deicolus) and Saint Marcell, but fail at the Monastery of Saint Appollinaris.
August – Continuing their campaign, the Hungarians enter, from West, in Lombardy where Hugh of Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_of_Italy) asks them to go to Southern Italy to help the Byzantines. The Hungarians plunder the surroundings of Capua (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capua), and install their camp on the meadows of Galliano, and send small units to plunder the regions of Naples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naples), Benevento (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevento), Sarno (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarno), Nola (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nola) and Montecassino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montecassino). The Abbey of Montecassino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbey_of_Montecassino) gives them valuable objects valuing 200 Byzantine hyperpyrons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperpyron) in order to ranslome the captives.[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._22-23-55)
Autumn – One unit of the Hungarians returning home is ambushed in the Abruzzo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apennine_Mountains) Mountains by the local forces, and lost its plunders.[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._22-23-55)


938

End of July – The Hungarians attack Thuringia and Saxony, and set camp at the Bode (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bode_(Wipper)), north to the Harz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harz) mountains, and sends its raiding units in every direction. One of these units is defeated at Wolfenbüttel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenb%C3%BCttel), while its leader killed. Another unit is misled by its Slavic guides in the marshes of Drömling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr%C3%B6mling), and ambushed and massacred by the Germans at Belxa. The Hungarians ransom the captured leader of this unit.
After 31 August – Hearing about these defeats, the main Hungarian army, camped at the Bode river, withdraws in Hungary.[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._23-56)


940 April – The Hungarian auxiliary troops helping Hugh of Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_of_Italy) in his campaign against Rome, win at Lateran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateran) a victory against the Roman nobles, but then they are defeated by the Longobards.[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._23-56)
942

Spring – A Hungarian army enters Italy, where king Hugh, giving them 10 bushels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushels) of gold, persuades them to attack the Caliphate of Córdoba (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate_of_C%C3%B3rdoba).
Middle of June – They arrive to Catalonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia), plunder the region, then enter in the northern territories of the Caliphate of Córdoba.
June 23 – The Hungarians besiege Lérida (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_raid_in_Spain_(942)) for 8 days, then attack Cerdaña and Huesca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huesca).
June 26 – The Hungarians capture Yahya ibn Muhammad ibn al Tawil, the ruler of Barbastro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbastro), and hold him captive 33 days, until he is ransomed.
July – The Hungarians arrive in desert territory, run out of food and water, so they return home, killing their Italian guide. 5 Hungarians are taken prisoners by the Cordobans. They become bodyguards of the caliph.[57] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-57)


943

Balkans

Allied with the Russians, a Hungarian army attacks the Byzantine Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire). Emperor Romanos I Lekapenos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanos_I_Lekapenos) buys peace, and accepts to pay a yearly tribute to the Hungarians.[58] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._25-58)


Bavaria

The Hungarians who attacked Bavaria, are defeated in the Battle of Wels (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wels) by Berthold, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold,_Duke_of_Bavaria) and the Carantanians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carantanians).[58] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._25-58)



947 – A Hungarian army, led by prince Taksony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taksony_of_Hungary), campaigns in Italy, heading southwards on the Eastern shore of the peninsula. Besieges Larino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larino), and reaches Otranto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otranto), plundering Apulia for 3 months.[59] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-59)
948 – Two Hungarian armies attack Bavaria and Karintia. One of them is defeated at Flozzun in Nordgau by Henry I, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I,_Duke_of_Bavaria).[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._27-60)
949 August 9 – The Hungarians defeat the Bavarians at Laa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laa_an_der_Thaya).[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._27-60)[61] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Krist.C3.B3_Gyula_1980-61)
950 – Henry I, Duke of Bavaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I,_Duke_of_Bavaria) attacks Western Hungary, taking captives and plunder.[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._27-60)
951

Spring – Hungarians, crossing Lombardia, attack Aquitania.
November 20 – The returning Hungarians are defeated by the German army, which, in the meanwhile conquered the Kingdom of Italy.[60] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._27-60)


954

The German princes rebel against Otto I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor), and ally with the Hungarians, who in February send an army led by Bulcsú (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulcs%C3%BA) to help them. The Magyar army plunders the domains of Otto's allies in Bavaria Swabia and Frankonia.
March 1 – The Hungarians cross the Rhine, camp at Worms in the capital of their ally, Conrad, Duke of Lorraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad,_Duke_of_Lorraine), then in 19 of March, they head towards West, attacking the domains of the dukes enemies, Bruno the Great (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_the_Great), archbishop of Cologne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Archdiocese_of_Cologne), then count Ragenarius, crossing the rivers Moselle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moselle) and Maas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meuse).[62] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-62)[63] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-63)
The Hungarians plunder the regions of Hesbaye (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesbaye) and Carbonaria in today's Belgium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium), plunder and burn the Monastery of Saint Lambert from Hainaut (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainaut_(province)), the monastery of Moorsel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorsel), sack the cities of Gembloux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gembloux) and Tournai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournai).
April 2 – They besiege the Lobbes Abbey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbes_Abbey), but the monks defend the monastery. However the Hungarians burn the church of Saint Paul, and take with them the treasures of the abbey.
April 6–10 – The Hungarians besiege the city of Cambrai (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrai), burn its suburbs, but they are unable to conquer the city. One of Bulcsú (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulcs%C3%BA)'s relatives is killed by the defenders. They refuse to pass over his body to the Hungarians. As a revenge, they kill all their captives, burn the monastery of Saint Géry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chastre) near Cambrai.
After April 6 – the Hungarians cross the French border, plundering the surroundings of Laon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laon), Reims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reims), Chalon, Metz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metz), Gorze (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorze). After that, they return via Burgundy and Northern Italy.[64] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-64)
In Provence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provence), the Hungarian army battled with the Arabs from the Muslim enclave of Fraxinet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraxinet), when Conrad I of Burgundy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_I_of_Burgundy) fell on them by surprise and defeated the two combatant armies.[65] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-65)


955

Middle of July – Called by the Bavarian and Saxonian insurgents, a Hungarian army, led by Bulcsú (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulcs%C3%BA), Lehel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehel), Sur and Taksony (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taksony) break into Germany, plunder Bavaria, then enter Swabia, burning many monasteries.
Beginning of August – The Hungarians start to besiege Augsburg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg).
August 10 – The German army of Otto I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_I,_Holy_Roman_Emperor) defeats the Hungarian army, and put it to flight, in the Battle of Lechfeld (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lechfeld_(955)). Despite the victory, the German losses were heavy, among them many nobles: Conrad, Duke of Lorraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad,_Duke_of_Lorraine), Count Dietpald, Ulrich count of Aargau, the Bavarian count Berthold, etc.[66] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-66)
August 10–11 – The Germans capture Bulcsú (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulcs%C3%BA), Lehel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehel) and Sur. Many Hungarians die during the flight, killed by the Germans.
August 15 – Bulcsú (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulcs%C3%BA), Lehel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehel) and Sur are hanged in Regensburg.[67] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-67) End of the Hungarian invasions towards the West.


959 April–May – Because in 957 the Byzantines ceased the payment of the tribute, a Hungarian army, led by Apor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apor), attacks the empire, plunders its territories until Constantinople, but in their way back, it is defeated in, a night attack, by the Byzantine army.[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._33-68)
961 – A Hungarian army attacks Thrace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrace_(theme)) and Macedonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(theme)), but it is defeated in, a night attack, by the Byzantine army.[68] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-Baj.C3.A1k_L.C3.A1szl.C3.B3_2000_p._33-68)
966 – The Hungarians attack the First Bulgarian Empire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bulgarian_Empire), and force tsar Peter I of Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_I_of_Bulgaria) to conclude peace with them, and to let them cross to Byzance.[69] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-69)
968 – A Hungarian army attacks the Byzantine Empire, and splits into two groups. Near Thessaloniki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki), one army groop of 300 men take 500 Greek captives, and takes them to Hungary. The other army groups of 200 men is ambushed by the Byzantine army, and takes 40 of them as captives. They become bodyguards of emperor Nikephoros II Phokas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikephoros_II_Phokas).[70] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe#cite_note-70)

[Stears]

remove double post.

[Stears]

Hungarian raids in Spain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_raid_in_Spain_(942)

[Wrong]

23andme gives them around 50% or something like that
Yeah and it only goes back 270 years MAX.

[Sp_loa]

we have been there from 1300 ad to 1939
for good and worse this was a big aschenazi home
many poles have shared segment with aschenazi jews
and the 5.5% slavic genes i score in eurogens k36 { 99.99999% it is polish source}


As much as I know By DNA Ashkenazi are still mostly a mixture of Near Eastern and Southern Europeans.
I think It's very problematic to put a whole jewish diaspora in a single place in the map.. Ashkenazi may come from all parts of central-northern Europe and even north and south America.
the same thing applies about the Sephardic diaspora which existed in the Balkans, North West Europe, North Africa and the Americas...

I think they should put the ashkenazi cluster in Southern part of Germany in the map because most Ashkenazi eventually came from the area of Lorraine-Alsace region.

[Sikeliot]

My full Sicilian cousin's result. Apparently "East Mediterranean" better proxies Albanians and mainland Greeks.

https://i.imgur.com/NgIOEJY.png

[Bosniensis]

My full Sicilian cousin's result. Apparently "East Mediterranean" better proxies Albanians and mainland Greeks.

https://i.imgur.com/NgIOEJY.png

44% east med?

That's funny.. I have 73% East med.

How do they even create these maps... it's 100% inacurate

[Seya]

And when I say Romanians score more mongoloid and middle eastern admixture than the Hungarians, I am called chauvinist...

do u score any asian?

[kingjohn]

As much as I know By DNA Ashkenazi are still mostly a mixture of Near Eastern and Southern Europeans.
I think It's very problematic to put a whole jewish diaspora in a single place in the map.. Ashkenazi may come from all parts of central-northern Europe and even north and south America.
the same thing applies about the Sephardic diaspora which existed in the Balkans, North West Europe, North Africa and the Americas...

I think they should put the ashkenazi cluster in Southern part of Germany in the map because most Ashkenazi eventually came from the area of Lorraine-Alsace region.

yes i have many matches with german jews in family finder
the source is southwest germany probably the bottlneck happened there
but the east central euro in eurogenes k36
came from th east 99.999999 % from poland or ukraine ....


sefhardic jews
don't score east central euro at all

[Sikeliot]

44% east med?

That's funny.. I have 73% East med.

How do they even create these maps... it's 100% inacurate

"East Med" on there seems Albanian/mainland Greek like. It is close to the Greek in MyHeritage. This makes Sicilians also score affinity to SW Europe and MENAs.

[Wrong]

44% east med?

That's funny.. I have 73% East med.

How do they even create these maps... it's 100% inacurate
Your East Med % is most likely Albanian(Iliri). Slavicized Albanian...

[Stears]

do u score any asian?

We will see about that. But average Hungarian person is much less mongoloid than the Romanians :)

Turulka can ony envy your results.

[Dibran]

Yes but paternal ancestry is the most important, I can't call myself Vlach because of woman...

Ydna only accounts for 1 percent, and mtdna the other 1 percent. 98 percent of your DNA is based upon generational autosomal admixture. You definitely can call yourself vlach because a "woman". That woman just transplanted 50 percent of her dna to you. your y and mtdna are merely ancestral starting points. What you are genetically and culturally today, has far less to do with your ydna and more to do with autosomal dna, collected generation to generation from INTERMIXING!

[Dibran]

do u score any asian?

Don't listen to him. Clearly all those genetic components came together very well to form such a beauty. ;)

[Stears]

Don't listen to him. Clearly all those genetic components came together very well to form such a beauty. ;)

I haven't insulted her looks. I've just stated, that the ethnic Romanians score much more mongoloid components compared to Hungarians, and that is true.

But the chauvinist Romanians call Hungarians in Transylvania ''mongol invaders from Asia'', who need to be transported to Mongolia. However the genetic reveal how ''Daco-Romans'' are more mixed with semi-mongoloids (turkic Cumans,Pechengs Tatars) than the ethnic Hungarian people.

How ironic :rolleyes:

[Seya]

We will see about that. But average Hungarian person is much less mongoloid than the Romanians :)

Turulka can ony envy your results.

It is true that romanians score more asian then hungarians. This is a fact

[Sp_loa]

yes i have many matches with german jews in family finder
the source is southwest germany probably the bottlneck happened there
but the east central euro in eurogenes k36
came from th east 99.999999 % from poland or ukraine ....


sefhardic jews
don't score east central euro at all

And thats kind of make sense because Most of Sephardi jewish stayed in southern Europe(mainly balkans, turkey and Italy) even after the expulsion...
Although I guess some sephardic communities in northern Europe (France, Netherlands, Uk, and Scandinavia do have some northern European DNA.

My European DNA comes from Italy,Balkans and Iberia and I guess It's typical for sephardi jews.. but it is so weird to me that I don't have Northern European DNA..

maybe I'm adopted(lol-can't be I am too similar to both sides of the family) cause why the heck my maternal side are blonde/red haired if I don't have any northern European DNA.. I means the SE DNA can explain the blue/green eyes and the lighter skin but I thought that red and blonde hair is almost exclusively exists in northern European populations..

And even when we are talking about pigmentation, I think I'm just in the color of typical Southern European, (about 11-12 on von Luschan's Chromatic scale- Fitzpatrick type 2 =light skinned with some minimal yellowish undertone, fair-whitish) but my brother is about 3 on von Luschan's Chromatic scale he is like a vampire loll..

I guess that southern European can have light hair and skin after all, or maybe It's coming from the Berber side.. I have heard that some berber tribes have light hair and skin... and my maternal side have kind of a nordic look but maybe it's more like berber look if you think about it (light hair, dark/light eyes, high and visible cheek -bones and small and upturned nose(luckily for me I have that nose and not a stereotypical jewish nose lol.. kidding (thanks mom) ).

Naa I guess I'm just too confused... maybe I'll never know.

[Wrong]

I haven't insulted her looks. I've just stated, that the ethnic Romanians score much more mongoloid components compared to Hungarians, and that is true.

But the chauvinist Romanians call Hungarians in Transylvania ''mongol invaders from Asia'', who need to be transported to Mongolia. However the genetic reveal how ''Daco-Romans'' are more mixed with semi-mongoloids (turkic Cumans,Pechengs Tatars) than the ethnic Hungarian people.

How ironic :rolleyes:
Agreed.

It is logical that Romanians have more mongoloid admixture due to its proximity to Mongolian and Turkic people in Europe throughout history, compared to Hungarians.
This makes the Romanian "Bozgor" insults towards Hungarians null.

[Vascontelo]

My results:

4% Western Africa
23% eastern mediterranean
4% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iranian Plateau
30% Southwestern Europe
4% Northeast Europe
35% Americas

[Lucas]

Geneplaza is the worst.

My
http://i67.tinypic.com/29eskkx.jpg

dna.land
http://i67.tinypic.com/2dqt3lv.jpg

geneplaza
http://i64.tinypic.com/jk9end.jpg

[Turkminator]

I uploaded it right now.

[Ion Basescul]

Asia O.o

up to 2% in East Asian is quite common for Romanians and it makes sense historically.

We've had Bulgars, Huns, Pechenegs, Cumans, Mongols and Tatars pass through and settle.

[kingjohn]

http://www.forensicfashion.com/files/1186PolovtsiCavalryContextReconstructionNicolleMcB ride1990.jpg

i wish i had turkic admixture it is cool in my opinion :cool:

[Turkminator]

http://www.forensicfashion.com/files/1186PolovtsiCavalryContextReconstructionNicolleMcB ride1990.jpg

i wish i had turkic admixture it is cool in my opinion :cool:

Many want that. It implies warrior blood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIER-QldYWI

[Ion Basescul]

My results are ready. Bulgarians should have been excluded from the Eastern Mediterranean reference.

https://i.imgur.com/RUIs4Ku.png

[Ion Basescul]

I haven't insulted her looks. I've just stated, that the ethnic Romanians score much more mongoloid components compared to Hungarians, and that is true.

But the chauvinist Romanians call Hungarians in Transylvania ''mongol invaders from Asia'', who need to be transported to Mongolia. However the genetic reveal how ''Daco-Romans'' are more mixed with semi-mongoloids (turkic Cumans,Pechengs Tatars) than the ethnic Hungarian people.

How ironic :rolleyes:

Yeah, it's really ironic how it proves that Romanians were there in Transylvania to absorb those people, while Hungarians were still nowhere to be seen. :lol:

[kingjohn]

And thats kind of make sense because Most of Sephardi jewish stayed in southern Europe(mainly balkans, turkey and Italy) even after the expulsion...
Although I guess some sephardic communities in northern Europe (France, Netherlands, Uk, and Scandinavia do have some northern European DNA.

My European DNA comes from Italy,Balkans and Iberia and I guess It's typical for sephardi jews.. but it is so weird to me that I don't have Northern European DNA..

maybe I'm adopted(lol-can't be I am too similar to both sides of the family) cause why the heck my maternal side are blonde/red haired if I don't have any northern European DNA.. I means the SE DNA can explain the blue/green eyes and the lighter skin but I thought that red and blonde hair is almost exclusively exists in northern European populations..

And even when we are talking about pigmentation, I think I'm just in the color of typical Southern European, (about 11-12 on von Luschan's Chromatic scale- Fitzpatrick type 2 =light skinned with some minimal yellowish undertone, fair-whitish) but my brother is about 3 on von Luschan's Chromatic scale he is like a vampire loll..

I guess that southern European can have light hair and skin after all, or maybe It's coming from the Berber side.. I have heard that some berber tribes have light hair and skin... and my maternal side have kind of a nordic look but maybe it's more like berber look if you think about it (light hair, dark/light eyes, high and visible cheek -bones and small and upturned nose(luckily for me I have that nose and not a stereotypical jewish nose lol.. kidding (thanks mom) ).

Naa I guess I'm just too confused... maybe I'll never know.

blond hair is conected to some specific snp a person can have this allells
without having eastern european or northen european ancestery
https://blog.23andme.com/health-traits/blonde-on-blonder/
sorry if i am rude to ask from where in moroco your roots ?
fes? kasablanka? marakesh
kind regards
Adam

[Stears]

Yeah, it's really ironic how it proves that Romanians were there in Transylvania to absorb those people, while Hungarians were still nowhere to be seen. :lol:

Wrong. You absorbed them in Wallachia and Moldova, they never settled in Transylvania.

If you were natives to Transylvania, you would be genetically central european, but even the northern Romanians are genetically Balkanite, because you are migrants from these teritories. Deal with it.

[Erronkari]

anakin no surprise
here:)
as one of the references for south west europe component in this calculator is basque
kind regards
adam

Hi Adam! Exactly! Basque is my biggest ancestry.
Which is interesting is that this test shows a very similar result of my DNA.LAND.
Kind regards! ;)

http://i.imgur.com/6B1udq1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Iam0L6C.jpg (http://imgur.com/Iam0L6C)

[kingjohn]

if you will score eastern med
that means balkan ancestery as they used
{greece , albania , bulgaria}
unlikely sicilian ,maltese ancestery no chance
can't wait to see your reults :)
i think you will score 40% or above north central european we will see
there were some celts in hungary before the invasions
regards
adam

[Stears]

Cuman Bassarab founded wallachia

[Potentia]

My results :

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/214792gencove1.jpg (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=214792gencove1.jpg)

63% Southwestern Europe

Reference populations: Southern French, Spanish, Basque, and Sardinian.

31% Northern and Central Europe

Reference populations: Norwegian, Orcadian, Scottish, British, Icelandic.

6% Northeast Europe

Reference populations: Belarusian, Estonian, Lithuanian, Mordovian, Finnish, Russian, and Ukranian.

Same as DNAland I'm scoring some Northeast Europe for some reason.

Do you guys have the same reference populations as me or does it change depending everyone ? :confused: I think their reference populations are pretty restrictive...

Huh, you score more Southwestern Euro than Northern Euro?

That's opposite of mine. It must be since your Father is almost entirely Southwestern European.

[Not a Cop]

My results are ready.


Are you Moldavian? Pretty high NE admix.

[Ion Basescul]

Wrong. You absorbed them in Wallachia and Moldova, they never settled in Transylvania.

If you were natives to Transylvania, you would be genetically central european, but even the northern Romanians are genetically Balkanite, because you are migrants from these teritories. Deal with it.

There isn't such a thing as genetically Balkan. Genetically, the region is separated in two, South Slavs + Romanians on one side and Albanians + Greeks on the other. The former differ from the latter because they mixed to a larger extent with other people.
In the case of Romanians, they absorbed the migrating people in the region, like Slavs, Hungarians, Turkics and so on.

The rest is just wishful thinking.

Hungarians cluster with Central Europeans because you are Slavic in everything, but name. Not to mention that there's also been a considerable German presence. Budapest itself was pretty much a German city up until the modern period.
Romanians have a Slavic admixture to a minor extent because they've been shielded by the mountains. Hungarians lived on the plain, which created favourable conditions for multi-ethnic medieval orgies.

[kingjohn]

dear anakin
they used the same algoritm as dna land
it is very different from my origins 2.0 and my heritage algoritem
in those 2 i score 9-11% slavic and here nada 0%:(
regards
adam

[Ion Basescul]

Cuman Bassarab founded wallachia

Wake up, sheeple, this insecure fucboi knows what's up.

[Stears]

There isn't such a thing as genetically Balkan. Genetically, the region is separated in two, South Slavs + Romanians on one side and Albanians + Greeks on the other. The former differ from the latter because they mixed to a larger extent with other people.
In the case of Romanians, they absorbed the migrating people in the region, like Slavs, Hungarians, Turkics and so on.

The rest is just wishful thinking.

Hungarians cluster with Central Europeans because you are Slavic in everything, but name. Not to mention that there's also been a considerable German presence. Budapest itself was pretty much a German city up until the modern period.
Romanians have a Slavic admixture to a minor extent because they've been shielded by the mountains. Hungarians lived on the plain, which created favourable conditions for multi-ethnic medieval orgies.

Wrong. Only the orthodox southern slavs are balkanites genetically, and similar with the Romanians. You are balkanites because that is where you originate from (+ mixature with slavs)
That is why you have many Albanian loan words in your language, because you have lived in close promixity with them, in southern balkans.

And you are the most mongoloid balkanites, because many turkic tribes have been your elite and created your first states.

Romanians never absorbed Hungarians, we never mixed with orthodox Vlachs, and social division prevented such mixing.

Interestingly how you claim we are ''Slavic'' when R1a is not so high in Hungary (and we have different R1a than neighbouring slavic people), and we have more western admixture than other people in the region. There was some mixture with western christian slavs and germans, but it does not majority of our ancestry.

Deal with it.

[Ion Basescul]

Are you Moldavian? Pretty high NE admix.

Northeast Romanian, with a Romanian grandparent from Cernauti, nowadays Ukraine. Moldovans are pretty similar to people from this region.

[Ion Basescul]

Wrong. Only the orthodox southern slavs are balkanites genetically, and similar with the Romanians. You are balkanites because that is where you originate from (+ mixature with slavs)
That is why you have many Albanian loan words in your language, because you have lived in close promixity with them, in southern balkans.

And you are the most mongoloid balkanites, because many turkic tribes have been your elite and created your first states.

Romanians never absorbed Hungarians, we never mixed with orthodox Vlachs, and social division prevented such mixing.

Interestingly how you claim we are ''Slavic'' when R1a is not so high in Hungary (and we have different R1a than neighbouring slavic people), and we have more western admixture than other people in the region. There was some mixture with western christian slavs and germans, but it does not majority of our ancestry.

Deal with it.

Honestly, I won't even read this blog post. But I will like and subscribe to your comments if that makes you feel better.

[Bosniensis]

if you will score eastern med
that means balkan ancestery as they used
{greece , albania , bulgaria}
unlikely sicilian ,maltese ancestery no chance
can't wait to see your reults :)
i think you will score 40% or above north central european we will see
there were some celts in hungary before the invasions
regards
adam

Slavs came to Balkans and killed everyone and everything (slavic tribes before croatiand and serbian), so how could they be Balkan and East med?

Map is crazy.

[Sikeliot]

I'd question if any Sicilians were used in the East Med cluster because real Sicilians are scoring also some SW Europe and 25%+ Middle Eastern/Caucasus/North African. Sicilians SHOULD have been the base of that cluster.

But no, we must pretend Albanians and Greeks have no Slavic by pretending Sicilians are in the East Med cluster which Albanians and Greeks score 100%. If Sicilians truly were the base of that cluster, Greeks and Albanians would score 25%+ Northeast European.

[Turkminator]

I got my results after 10 min.

[Turkminator]

The reincarnation of a Turkic conqueror.

https://i.hizliresim.com/9D9jrZ.jpg (https://hizliresim.com/9D9jrZ)

[Seya]

I'd question if any Sicilians were used in the East Med cluster because real Sicilians are scoring also some SW Europe and 25%+ Middle Eastern/Caucasus/North African. Sicilians SHOULD have been the base of that cluster.

But no, we must pretend Albanians and Greeks have no Slavic by pretending Sicilians are in the East Med cluster which Albanians and Greeks score 100%. If Sicilians truly were the base of that cluster, Greeks and Albanians would score 25%+ Northeast European.

are u going to post your results?

[kingjohn]

antolian stallion ,
i don't see them post them please
regards
adam

[Dick]

https://i.imgur.com/LEiWziW.jpg

[kingjohn]

dick you got all europe in your hand :)

[Lucas]

https://i.imgur.com/LEiWziW.jpg

You score Askhenazi in DNA.LAnd or Geneplaza???

[RN97]

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Seems that this calc. gives you azkhenazi if you're a mix of west and east Euro.

[frankhammer]

3% Gujarati stronk
15% Iberian conquistador
76% R1b Germanic God-Conqueror

https://i.imgur.com/XOJt7DN.png

[kingjohn]

the best in you is the Gujarati :cool:

[Drenica]

are u going to post your results?

Nah, hes coping .. and has absolutely no idea what hes talking about or even understands autosomal. ;)

[Stears]

Honestly, I won't even read this blog post. But I will like and subscribe to your comments if that makes you feel better.

You were unable to answer because you lost the debate.

[Oneeye]

What is more triggerable to me for the Poles is that they made Poland the "Ashkenazi jew land" on their map...

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/183653ashkenazi.jpg (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=183653ashkenazi.jpg)

23andme does the same thing. Why wouldn't they use Poland for the Ashkenazis?

[Tchek]

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/215930weplaza.jpg

[Erronkari]

Which file did you use?

Try with Autosomal 37.

[pmv74]

I transferred my ancestry dna and My results for gencove are as follows-

47% southwestern Europe
35% eastern Mediterranean
11% Middle Eastern
7% Anatolia, Caucasus, Iran

I think the areas were correct, although the percentages seem to be off some. As a southern Italian/Sicilian I should have more Eastern med than southwestern European. Most calculators give me mostly Southern Italian/Sicilian, and some areas of the levant and smaller amounts of North African and Spanish/Portuguese


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[Dick]

You score Askhenazi in DNA.LAnd or Geneplaza???

yeah, the results are always similar with these free dna upload websites. Similar percentages of north east, south east, south west and north west and a smidgen of ashknezai to spice things up more.

[Karol Klačansky]

Gencove sounds like a genetic dating site.

[Dick]

dick you got all europe in your hand :)

I can easily fit my wiener when erect in one hand but all of Europe is pushing it.



Gencove sounds like a genetic dating site.

Those will probably exist one day in the future or maybe they do already.

[Kriptc06]

Those will probably exist one day in the future or maybe they do already.

Would be cool to meet some andid matches

[Dick]

Would be cool to meet some andid matches

I can hook you up with one in Vancouver, Canada but she's kinda crazy. Her name is Daisy.

[Kriptc06]

I can hook you up with one in Vancouver, Canada but she's kinda crazy. Her name is Daisy.

sounds perfect, PM me.

[War Chef]

https://i.imgur.com/Vclw9AU.png

[kingjohn]

i asked joe pickrel the person who created the algorithm
that now used by gencove in anthrogenica forum
how is it possible i score 0% north east Europe here
and 9% in my heritage and 11% in my origins 2.0 ?
up until no he didn't answer
very disappointing :(
because one of them is wrong for sure it is either gencove or {my origins 2.0+ my heritage they used the same chip that's what they tolled me on the phone when i call usa }

[Petalpusher]

https://i.imgur.com/1QIdXw9.jpg

[Ylla]

Nah, hes coping .. and has absolutely no idea what hes talking about or even understands autosomal. ;)

East med is basically Balkan like on DNA land

Idk what sikeliot is trying to say :P

[Peterski]

Would be cool to meet some andid matches

Guatemalan Mayan:

https://i.imgur.com/IYoEzfG.png

Also counts as Andid:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214722-Andids-all-Natives-from-Chile-to-Mexico-Early-American-Farmers

[Peterski]

but she's kinda crazy. Her name is Daisy.

She looks way more like this Andronovo-Alekseyevka woman than like Andids:

https://i.imgur.com/5YpMGLb.png

[kingjohn]

Guatemalan Mayan:

https://i.imgur.com/IYoEzfG.png

Also counts as Andid:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214722-Andids-all-Natives-from-Chile-to-Mexico-Early-American-Farmers

pretty woman :)

[Peterski]

76% R1b Germanic God-Conqueror

:crazy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdY4gfR7iY

[Kriptc06]

Guatemalan Mayan:

[img]https://i.imgur.com/IYoEzfG.pn/img]

Also counts as Andid:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214722-Andids-all-Natives-from-Chile-to-Mexico-Early-American-Farmers
:amour101::amour101:

[Erronkari]

Guatemalan Mayan:

https://i.imgur.com/IYoEzfG.png

Also counts as Andid:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?214722-Andids-all-Natives-from-Chile-to-Mexico-Early-American-Farmers

Very pretty!!!
I like native girls (my wife is costa-rican trirracial).
But in this case, I think that she is at least 50% Euro.
According that picture, she seems 50% Atlanto Med and 50% Centralid.

[kingjohn]

not only you like native woman
also the conquistadors
in Mexico Brazil :)
they killed many of the native man
but took the native woman ..... :)
kind regards
adam


https://image.slidesharecdn.com/womeninnewspaince-61-121008235927-phpapp01/95/women-in-new-spain-ce-6-1-5-728.jpg?cb=1349740833

[Drenica]

East med is basically Balkan like on DNA land

Idk what sikeliot is trying to say :P

Balkan on Dna land uses even less countries, Albania, Greece and Bulgaria only.

[Vascontelo]

I tried with 37 autosomal and 37 autosomal concatenaded, both of familytree. And i don't know why but the results are different. In the first i got 30% southwestern and 23% east med. In the second i got 30% east med and 26% south western european. I think is weird for a costarican to obtain such a high % of eastern mediterranean genetic.

[kingjohn]

i uploaded my to in the concentrated 37 version
before i did the regular 37 file
i think they are in different size :confused:
and the concentrated version include also your x chromosome ?
but i am sure some expert in this forum can help you
adam

p.s
i think your first results reflect your background better

[Kriptc06]

Very pretty!!!
I like native girls (my wife is costa-rican trirracial).
But in this case, I think that she is at least 50% Euro.
According that picture, she seems 50% Atlanto Med and 50% Centralid.

lucky man, pardon me, do you have children? will you test them?

[de Burgh II]

https://s26.postimg.org/gt0jvhpx5/Untitled.jpg

[kingjohn]

the concentrated version 37 are indeed different results for me
{ people should try it :)
i score 2% more aschenazi
i score 18% southwest Europe / 23% in the regular file
i score 23% east med / 12% in the regular file
12% middle eastern / 17% regular file
Anatolia Caucasus 4% / 7% in the regular
central India 8% the only component who remain the same % in the 2 uploads

[kingjohn]

the files are indeed not the same size
i just checked
concentrated buil37 is 6.1 mb
and the regular autosomal build 37 is 6 mb
maybe that's what effect the different results

[Erronkari]

not only you like native woman
also the conquistadors
in Mexico Brazil :)
they killed many of the native man
but took the native woman ..... :)
kind regards
adam


https://image.slidesharecdn.com/womeninnewspaince-61-121008235927-phpapp01/95/women-in-new-spain-ce-6-1-5-728.jpg?cb=1349740833

Haha absolutely agree! :D

[alnortedelsur]

Mine:

https://i.imgur.com/pDfyZoO.png

For some unknown reason, it doesn't show all my results (my Amerindian and Northwest European are not shown in the legend), but I know from browsing on the map that:

Northern and Central European: 2%

Amerindian: 6%

[Erronkari]

I tried with 37 autosomal and 37 autosomal concatenaded, both of familytree. And i don't know why but the results are different. In the first i got 30% southwestern and 23% east med. In the second i got 30% east med and 26% south western european. I think is weird for a costarican to obtain such a high % of eastern mediterranean genetic.

It's curious mate.
I obtained the same results in both: 96% Southwestern Europe, 3% Americas and 1% East Asia.

[Dick]

they killed many of the native man
kind regards
adam


:rotfl:

[Loki]

one last thing how can i score more south west european than my mother and father ??????
:picard1:

It is possible, if both your father and mother have it, but on different parts of your genome. So combined, you may score more.

[kingjohn]

i uploaded now ne1 ancient hungarian lady she was
a farmer
lets see what she would score ....

p.s
it doesn't work it stuck bummer :picard2:

[kingjohn]

it worked yessssssssssssssssssss............................ .
ne1 neolithic lady
Polgár-Ferenci-hát, Hungary F U5b2c 5070-5310 cal BC


30% east med
70% southwest europe

p.s
i would upload the picture
but in this site the tell me it is to bigf
and i don't know how to make it smaller

[MsSPF]

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/195398gencoveresults.png

[Petalpusher]

https://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/195398gencoveresults.png

Kind regards

[MsSPF]

Kind regards

Boussa
Who's that cutie pie on your av ?!


https://i.imgur.com/1QIdXw9.jpg

Your 31% southwestern european is from Marseille. Totally you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ceNf9qJjgc

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

https://s26.postimg.org/aeoxwndnd/gene.jpg

[Petalpusher]

Boussa
Who's that cutie pie on your av ?!

Mini petal taking on your chipmunk cheek's challenge. I know i can't win.




Your 31% southwestern european is from Marseille. Totally you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ceNf9qJjgc

Tu peux reprendre ton "Boussa", en plus Akhenaton est rital, la totale.

[Kamal900]

https://image.ibb.co/gTaXik/2017_09_23_18_51_28_gencove_ancestry_Opera.png

[Oneeye]

not only you like native woman
also the conquistadors
in Mexico Brazil :)
they killed many of the native man
but took the native woman ..... :)
kind regards
adam


https://image.slidesharecdn.com/womeninnewspaince-61-121008235927-phpapp01/95/women-in-new-spain-ce-6-1-5-728.jpg?cb=1349740833

The "mother of mestizos" is seen as a traitor? That's gotta cause some complex

[Graham]

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/22014692_10155686338220421_942645257_n.png?oh=289d 14578561d2f6bb62f1d297445738&oe=59C86618

[kingjohn]

https://s26.postimg.org/aeoxwndnd/gene.jpg

from where the north east europe came to you ?
do you score baltic in eurogenes k13 ?
adam

p.s
the aschenazi is probably noise though ....

[Peterski]

p.s
the aschenazi is probably noise though ....

I guess it is Sephardic in his case.

[kingjohn]

ok he do score baltic 11.5% so it is real in him :)
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?211170-Eurogenes-K13-PCA-with-users/page2
i score 10.3% so my eastern european genes are hiding in the aschenazi of gencove .....
the north central european elment is not surprise as modern day portuguase score 14-16% north atlantic+ north sea in eurogenes k36 ....

[Peterski]

The "mother of mestizos" is seen as a traitor?

A traitor to whom? She was from Tabasco, a city-state that was regularly raided by the Aztecs and the Aztecs were ripping their hearts out. When Cortez arrived, he was seen as a liberator from Aztec rules. These people don't know their own history. Cortez was supported by 100,000 Native allies.

I recommend this book (too bad that it is only available in Polish):

http://www.margarytkaart.pl/userdata/gfx/0cf29f49c23e855698e05d9802318344.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

from where the north east europe came to you ?
do you score baltic in eurogenes k13 ?
adam

p.s
the aschenazi is probably noise though ....

Everyone scores baltic in Eurogenes k13. I score 11.15% baltic in k13 but get 0% Northeast European in this.

[kingjohn]

Everyone scores baltic in Eurogenes k13. I score 11.15% baltic in k13 but get 0% Northeast European in this.

nice
to know :)
do you score east central euro in eurogenes k36 ....?

[Damião de Góis]

nice
to know :)
do you score east central euro in eurogenes k36 ....?

Yes, 6.09 of it.

I think Genecove transfered it to Northern and Central Europe in my case.

[Peterski]

they killed many of the native man
but took the native woman .....

Most of them died of disease. And Mestizos were immune to diseases due to their European admixture, so they were not as vulnerable to epidemics as pure Natives. That's how it was.

Cortez was not killing his Native allies. That slide you posted is bullshit. Cortez was behaving like Alexander the Great after the conquest of Persia. Both of them were for multiculturalism.

[kingjohn]

very likely that east central euro in modern portuguase
are suevei or alans
because bronze age portuguase lack this elment
they do score north atlantic and north sea but not east central euro .....

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

from where the north east europe came to you ?
do you score baltic in eurogenes k13 ?
adam

p.s
the aschenazi is probably noise though ....

I score 11.57% Baltic on K13.

[Damião de Góis]

very likely that east central euro in modern portuguase
are suevei or alans
because bronze age portuguase lack this elment
they do score north atlantic and north sea but not east central euro .....

Maybe the populations of pre-roman iberia already had these elements before the suevi, alans, visigoths or vandals came:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Ethnographic_Iberia_200_BCE.PNG

Bronze Age is further away in time:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Iberia_Bronze.gif

[Peterski]

Everyone scores baltic in Eurogenes k13.

Today - yes. But many of ancient samples from Iberia don't score it.

[Damião de Góis]

Today - yes. But many of ancient samples from Iberia don't score it.

But i'm sure La Braña scored it. I think pre-historic iberia isn't well sampled yet.

[PunhetaDeBacalhau]

https://s26.postimg.org/fctco2hzt/Gencove_Ancestry_Composition.png

[Lucas]

it worked yessssssssssssssssssss............................ .
ne1 neolithic lady
Polgár-Ferenci-hát, Hungary F U5b2c 5070-5310 cal BC


30% east med
70% southwest europe


Oh, so they allow this. MyHeritage doesn't.

[Altaylardan Tunaya]

https://i.hizliresim.com/zJgJ9R.jpg

[Sp_loa]

blond hair is conected to some specific snp a person can have this allells
without having eastern european or northen european ancestery
https://blog.23andme.com/health-traits/blonde-on-blonder/
sorry if i am rude to ask from where in moroco your roots ?
fes? kasablanka? marakesh
kind regards
Adam

For some reason this website does not send me notification whenever some one quotes me. I saw it by accident now.

My grandmother was born in a-rich or something like that, near Midelt in the atlas Mountains-Sahara desert of Morocco but my great-grandfather wandered from place to place.
He grew up in Oran, Algeria and this his family might be from Tetuan , Spanish Morocco because he knew to speak Judeo-Spanish and it was spoken only in northern morocco.
My great-grand mother died at very young age but she was Algerian Jewish out of Sephardic descent.

I'm talking about really light hair, My grandmother had curly red hair, 2 of My Grandaunts had smooth platinum blonde hair (whitish blonde) until the age of 10, and then it became "corn color blonde".
My mom had Strawberry blonde hair, Copper color with blonde highlights until the age of 14 and than it became chatain (more light brown with natural red and blonde highlights)
but I think it happened to her only because she used to cut her hair really short and to dye it often.

Even I have medium brown hair(in the winter it's darker brown because sun tend to bleach hair) with some reddish highlights, my friends call my hair orange chocolate :rofl_002:

My older brother hair color used to be blondish-brown until the age of 3, then light brown with orangy tone until the age of 14, and since than it's dark brown(but his beard tend to be brown-red sometimes, other times its black lol. my facial hair is black too- thats weird.)

I know this side of the family is originally from Barcelona, Spain and after 1391 pogroms they went to Toledo. (before 1492), and there are some rumors that they went to Amsterdam first(via Portugal) and arrived to morocco only in the 18th century but I don't know if to believe these rumors.

I asked my grandaunt how is it possible that your side have blonde hair and she said she believes they are mixed with berbers and she knows that there are a lot of berbers with blonde and red hair(and light eyes).
I actually do score about 16% Berber in all DNA tests(more than average Sephardi) but I don't know if It's comes from this side of the family...
Mystery I guess..
By the way my paternal side have only dark hair colors (black or brown).
So it's only my maternal-maternal side that have light hair.
(but 3/4 sides of my family have blue/green eyes).

[Insuperable]

https://s1.postimg.org/8qzmwd43pr/Untitled.png

[RN97]

It is true that romanians score more asian then hungarians. This is a fact

On Eurogenes K15 both score about the same, yet Hungarians score slightly more mongoloid. IDK where you get this from? There are no reliable source on this stuff either way so... that. You can't really know unless you want to 100% trust amateur calculators. I've seen Hungarians (and anthropologists like Coon etc. also noticed this) that are so mongoloid that even the most mong Romanian looks 100% caucasoid next to such people. The founders of the Hungarians were found to be mixed mongoloid-caucasoid. You don't find such folks in Romania AFAIK
https://i.imgur.com/vI2E4dd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5UFQZqZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/k52jZSg.jpg

It's also hard to map the average since I'm sure that it varies quite heavily from region to region. In Norway, southern Norwegians probably have around 0.5-1% Siberian while the northern ones 1.7-3%. However, let me make it clear that both Romanians and Hungarians have low levels of mongoloid admixture and it pales in comparison to even northern Scandos, let alone Finns and Russians

[Seya]

On Eurogenes K15 both score about the same, yet Hungarians score slightly more mongoloid. IDK where you get this from? There are no reliable source on this stuff either way so... that. You can't really know unless you want to 100% trust amateur calculators. I've seen Hungarians (and anthropologists like Coon etc. also noticed this) that are so mongoloid that even the most mong Romanian looks 100% caucasoid next to such people. The founders of the Hungarians were found to be mixed mongoloid-caucasoid. You don't find such folks in Romania AFAIK
https://i.imgur.com/vI2E4dd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5UFQZqZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/k52jZSg.jpg

It's also hard to map the average since I'm sure that it varies quite heavily from region to region. In Norway, southern Norwegians probably have around 0.5-1% Siberian while the northern ones 1.7-3%. However, let me make it clear that both Romanians and Hungarians have low levels of mongoloid admixture and it pales in comparison to even northern Scandos, let alone Finns and Russians

well..i can show u romanians that looks like this:
https://i.imgur.com/8Eg8ACm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yYYE7ke.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Kweo9qm.png
https://i.imgur.com/ST8tRj3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BUOnBK6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JBAoCdJ.jpg
it happens in this region..it's not even rare...i guess it happens in hungary as well

[RN97]

well..i can show u romanians that looks like this:
[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/8Eg8ACm
it happens in this region..it's not even rare...i guess it happens in hungary as well

I've seen those, but it's not really the same IMO. Again, I'm not trying to take shots at Hungarians, but there must be a reason for anthropologists claiming they had more turnaids/ central asian influenced phenotype than all other EE.

[Stears]

On Eurogenes K15 both score about the same, yet Hungarians score slightly more mongoloid. IDK where you get this from? There are no reliable source on this stuff either way so... that. You can't really know unless you want to 100% trust amateur calculators. I've seen Hungarians (and anthropologists like Coon etc. also noticed this) that are so mongoloid that even the most mong Romanian looks 100% caucasoid next to such people. The founders of the Hungarians were found to be mixed mongoloid-caucasoid. You don't find such folks in Romania AFAIK
https://i.imgur.com/vI2E4dd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5UFQZqZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/k52jZSg.jpg

It's also hard to map the average since I'm sure that it varies quite heavily from region to region. In Norway, southern Norwegians probably have around 0.5-1% Siberian while the northern ones 1.7-3%. However, let me make it clear that both Romanians and Hungarians have low levels of mongoloid admixture and it pales in comparison to even northern Scandos, let alone Finns and Russians

Cuman reserve area survivors.

Sorry but the Romanians score much more mongoloid admixture on autosomal DNA, than the Hungarians.

Just ask user: ''Seya'', and she will agree with me

[RN97]

Cuman reserve area survivors.

Sorry but the Romanians score much more mongoloid admixture on autosomal DNA, than the Hungarians.

Just ask user: ''Seya'', and she will agree with me

Is she a geneticist? I don't think so.
I don't care what you call them or where they are from. They identify as Hungarians and regional differences are normal.

[Vyasa]

well..i can show u romanians that looks like this:
https://i.imgur.com/8Eg8ACm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/yYYE7ke.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Kweo9qm.png
https://i.imgur.com/ST8tRj3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BUOnBK6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JBAoCdJ.jpg
it happens in this region..it's not even rare...i guess it happens in hungary as well

Not trolling but I wonder where it came from? I don't think you can chalk it up to recent Ottoman/Turkish admix.

[Stears]

Is she a geneticist? I don't think so.
I don't care what you call them or where they are from. They identify as Hungarians and regional differences are normal.

she scores significant mongoloid admixture (something our Turulka will envy :))) )

Deal with it.