MAKE THE + R E T H E L + SLAV AGAIN! Here is your chance.

[Rethel]

The question to these idiots, who claim to know better than me, where was my forefather from.
If you have such knowledge, and you know, that I am pure native, ethnic, tribal, national, soilish,
blood real ancestral Pole, then please reveal it to me, and say, from which tribe am I coming form?
I will be really very glad, and happy. I always wanted to be from one of them. To spare you some
troubles, here is a visual help. Please tell me from which polish native tribe I am, and how do you
know it & what proofs you can provide for that? I will be very thrilled and amazingly happy - just
tell me what you know more than I and show me the proofs. So, I am waiting...

67562
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67562&d=1505563784

[epirot]

I support you no matter from where you are. You are a good man.

[Magnolia]

to be a Pole is not enough?

[Dandelion]

Poles already are fully Slavic, unlike Bohemians who are a cosmopolitan mix.

[Magnolia]

Poles already are fully Slavic, unlike Bohemians who are a cosmopolitan mix.

that's true. But no need to identify with a language group he is ashamed of/he hates.

[Peterski]

Poles already are fully Slavic, unlike Bohemians who are a cosmopolitan mix.

Every DNA test that I took gave me mixed results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220367-Post-all-your-autosomal-results-in-one-thread&p=4647009#post4647009

Meanwhile Magnolia is afraid of DNA tests and finding out that she is 100% German and not cosmopolitan at all.

[Magnolia]

Every DNA test that I took gave me mixed results:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?220367-Post-all-your-autosomal-results-in-one-thread&p=4647009#post4647009

Meanwhile Magnolia is afraid of DNA tests and finding out that she is 100% German and not cosmopolitan at all.

Why do you speak about me? I never said about me I was German. I always said I was Czech. What's your problem?
I am not afraid of DNA tests, I just dont care. I know who I am.

[Rethel]

to be a Pole is not enough?

For some people here, not.
They want to convinced me, that I am a Pole since the begining of the world - or polishness at least.

So, here they have the chance to convinst me.

[Magnolia]

rethel, to be honest. I dont think to have some foreign roots (one even didnt know these ancestors) makes him/her to be of different ethnicity than the rest of the nation he/she was born in.
Yes, you can have some German ancestors, but you were born in Poland, Polish culture is the only thing you know. You are even a proud orthodox Catholic. For me you are a Pole with some German roots.

[ЛыSSый]

fxd




Meanwhile Magnolia is afraid of DNA tests and finding out that she is 100% polish and not cosmopolitan at all.

Rethel, little bro, you might be everyone you want. Want you be from gonduras, for example?

[Vyasa]

rethel, to be honest. I dont think to have some foreign roots (one even didnt know these ancestors) makes him/her to be of different ethnicity than the rest of the nation he/she was born in.
Yes, you can have some German ancestors, but you were born in Poland, Polish culture is the only thing you know. You are even a proud orthodox Catholic. For me you are a Pole with some German roots.

and you are a proud German with Polish roots

[Rethel]

rethel, to be honest. I dont think to have some foreign roots (one even didnt know these ancestors)

The problem is, that I know. If I would not know, then it would be another story.


makes him/her to be of different ethnicity than the rest of the nation he/she was born in.

So, the ethnicity is only about current conglomerat of people living in one territory?


Yes, you can have some German ancestors, but you were born in Poland, Polish culture is the only thing you know.

So ethnicity is about culture?


You are even a proud orthodox Catholic.

I would not say that.


For me you are a Pole with some German roots.

And this is what means the tern polish German.


fxdRethel, little bro, you might be everyone you want. Want you be from gonduras, for example?

Would be wonderfull, but Yevreys v Hyustnie said, that I am not... :pout:

[Rethel]

Every DNA test that I took gave me mixed results:

What is known also without testing - so what is the point?

Are you know less polish then you were before the test?

[Rethel]

and you are a proud German with Polish roots

Not Mahnölchen, but Mägnölusiunia? :shocked: :rolleyes:

[Magnolia]

and you are a proud German with Polish roots

I never said about myself I was German.
But what shell I do - to deny these people?
http://i68.tinypic.com/muaq9k.jpg

I remember some of them. Dont ask me about my ancestors if you mind I am who I am.

[Karol Klačansky]

Rethel isnt a proud slav? Rethel you are Catholic? Some of your views seem more similar to Protestants

Sent from my KIW-L21 using Tapatalk

[Rethel]

Rethel isnt a proud slav?

Rather slavic I am, but not Slav.


Rethel you are Catholic?

Maybe formaly.


Some of your views seem more similar to Protestants

Some yes, some don;t.

[Ülev]

Ross Beaumont will confirm it I think, be Slavic 'Sanskritian' again!
great achievements, great history, bright future



https://youtu.be/ptDVaVlw9m4

[Rethel]

Ross Beaumont will confirm it I think, be Slavic 'Sanskritian' again!
great achievements, great history, bright future

:coffee:

[Pahli]

Ross Beaumont will confirm it I think, be Slavic 'Sanskritian' again!
great achievements, great history, bright future



https://youtu.be/ptDVaVlw9m4

Cringe as fuck

[Rethel]

Rumata forced me to make a very good point to all TAtards.

We were talikng about Rurikkos, and their existance.
He almost started to deny their exstence, becasue of autosomalist influence.

And there I made the point.
When polish Rurikowiczes are learning about their history, what do they learn?
Do they learn about Polans invading Mazowia? do they learn about Piast who's
son Siemowit overtooke Popiel and took the throne? Do they learn about first
slavic farmers under Gniezno's borough? No. They learn about Rurikko and his
brothers, who with the bunch of Swedes came into northern Russia (then
Gardarikiland) and later moved to Ukraine. This is their story. So how they
can be original Poles since ever? They cannot be, and never will be.

Only people with no story or sissyboys will claim otherwise.

[wvwvw]

The master tribe was the Opolini which gave its name to all other Slavic tribes in Poland. Much like the Hellene tribe gave its name to all Greek speaking tribes.

[Profileid]

You're not German.

[Dandelion]

You're not German.

Proof: you don't hate Rethel!

[Profileid]

Proof: you don't hate Rethel!

He pisses me off tho.

[Peterski]

You're not German.

His oldest known ancestor is a German knight from year 1430.

[Rethel]

You're not German.

I said: read the introduction - with dictionary if
necessary - before you answer - and show the proofs.

It is really so hard to understand? :scratch:

So for that go to the OP aka post nr 0 in that thread.

[Rethel]

His oldest known ancestor is a German knight from year 1430.

Even 1420, with uprawdopodobnieniem of the 100 years earlier in Brandenburg via... Pyrogród.

[Peterski]

In Brandenburg or in Prussia?

[Profileid]

His oldest known ancestor is a German knight from year 1430.

From 1430.

So he's German despite the fact 99% of his ancestors are poolacks?

[Rethel]

In Brandenburg or in Prussia?

Ruppinland and 10 years later Brandenburg (present day Berlin!).
Guy sold the village which is today a quarter of Berlin and - as I
am guessing - took the money and went on the Ost becasue the
same people as he emerged in 1387 under and also in Posen, so
acordingly we have 42 and 34 years of black periods - so it is
hard to be a some sort of coincidence, especially, that at that
time Rethelites were a one+ person population folk in Poland, and
suffix of the Brandenburgians and Poseners are the same, and the
guy was a knight too - at that time this was allready rather an
inheritable profesion, than coincidental, and quite expensive. In
addition, guy in Ruppinland was from the same named village, as
the village in which my ancestor emerged first time in Lithuania.
So, as many podlachian families could just transfer the name of
his ancestral village. Too much coincidences as for me. The name,
the profession, the village. And the rulers of Ruppin state were
from the Swabia - the region where german Rethelites lived, so
it is easly imagineable, that he got with himself some rębajłów.

Prussia it is different story, separated, and of different branch.

Informacje na stronie są przestarzałe o 15 lat, pisane na
podstawie innych pisarzy, a od tamtej pory parę rzeczy
zweryfikowałem. Ale nie chce mi się poprawiać :)

[Profileid]

You're still not German.

[Peterski]

You're still not German.

Still closer than these: http://www.theworldin.com/article/10466/new-germans

[Profileid]

Still closer than these: http://www.theworldin.com/article/10466/new-germans

still not german

[Rethel]

still not german

Still you are trolling - I asked you don't. Do you really not understand?
Please read again conditions of negating my teutonicness in OP. I belive,
you are able to understand such simple request after all.

[Polak]

The question is, do you speak German?
The majority of my family is from Greater Poland, Pałuki and Bohemia, so I am more Western Slav than you are, Eastern Poles are polonised Rusyns, my dad's family is partially from Central Poland (Łódź) and partially German (Ziebert) and of distant German descent (Bernatowicz). I am tri-lingual, I speak Polish, German and English, however I identify as a Pole, I think language dictates where you're from (over names), so do you speak German?

[Rethel]

The question is, do you speak German?

Yes, no, yes - but it is irrelevant.
It is even a problem, becasue one can be
counted as these german minority freaks.


The majority of my family is from Greater Poland, Pałuki and Bohemia, so I am more Western Slav than you are, Eastern Poles are polonised Rusyns, my dad's family is partially from Central Poland (Łódź) and partially German (Ziebert) and of distant German descent (Bernatowicz).

:picard1:

Can you finally zdecydować się who you are?


I am tri-lingual, I speak Polish, German and English, however I identify as a Pole, I think language dictates where you're from (over names), so do you speak German?

I speak russian, english, polish, almost german and am reading churchslavonic
in own achaizational method. So who am I? Maybe an Englishman? Or old Yugol?

[Polak]

Yes, no, yes - but it is irrelevant.
It is even a problem, becasue one can be
counted as these german minority freaks.



:picard1:

Can you finally zdecydować się who you are?



I speak russian, english, polish, almost german and am reading churchslavonic
in own achaizational method. So who am I? Maybe an Englishman? Or old Yugol?

Yeah, but you can't speak German, so what difference does it make? It clearly says in my profile that my family is Polish, Bohemian and Pałuk, are you blind?

You're not a Yugol or an Englishman, you're an Eastern Pole with an inferiority complex.

[Rethel]

Yeah, but you can't speak German,

I can, but not fluently. Soon will.


so what difference does it make?

None. You was saying something about language.


It clearly says in my profile that my family is Polish, Bohemian and Pałuk, are you blind?

I cannot understand such bredzenia.
"Belarusian, Russian, Polish, Bohemian, Pałuk, German"
The what? :picard2:


You're not a Yugol or an Englishman,

According to your logic presented in previous post, I should be.


you're an Eastern Pole with an inferiority complex.

:picard2:

So now, everyone, who has non-polish provenance, has
inferiority complexes... interesting... But you claiming five
nationalities and one ethnography - have not... :bored: :picard1:

[ЛыSSый]

Let we turn conversation in another way: Rethel's ancestry is from R1 kirgiz liberator and let he try to prove us after he's pole at least.

http://s019.radikal.ru/i639/1710/c6/14f03fa08d6f.jpg (http://radikal.ru)

[Polak]

I can, but not fluently. Soon will.



None. You was saying something about language.



I cannot understand such bredzenia.
"Belarusian, Russian, Polish, Bohemian, Pałuk, German"
The what? :picard2:



According to your logic presented in previous post, I should be.



:picard2:

So now, everyone, who has non-polish provenance, has
inferiority complexes... interesting... But you claiming five
nationalities and one ethnography - have not... :bored: :picard1:

I'm claiming five ethnicities, you can have more than one ethnicity, but I am a Pole and that's that. Ethnicity and nationality aren't interchangeable, not like you would know about that. You claim to be German but you don't speak a lick of German, your German is laughable at best. If I were you, I'd look for Mongol roots, not German roots.

[Rethel]

If I were you, I'd look for Mongol roots, not German roots.

Maybe I'll try. Powalający argument btw. :picard2:

[Polak]

Maybe I'll try. Powalający argument btw. :picard2:

Lol, dein Deutsch ist schrecklich. :thumb001:

[Ülev]

Rethel ist Deutscher, Siege oder Sterbe, Deutsch bis ins Mark

[ЛыSSый]

Rethel ist Deutscher, Siege oder Sterbe, Deutsch bis ins Mark

KGB Yandex give us the hint. Translation: "Rethel is russian as fuck". Sure, it's all due to R1 liberator trace.

http://s018.radikal.ru/i523/1710/dc/f7742d1488e9.jpg (http://radikal.ru)

[Fractal]

Ross Beaumont will confirm it I think, be Slavic 'Sanskritian' again!
great achievements, great history, bright future



https://youtu.be/ptDVaVlw9m4

Absolutely. Sanskrit was developed in Northern and Central India, and Tamil along with Telegu borrowed heavily from it.

[Rethel]

Lol, dein Deutsch ist schrecklich. :thumb001:

How can you know it, if I never had been spreching to you?

And btw, it is pikuś, taking unto account
your multiple national rozsześciorzenie jaźni... :p :laugh:

Btw, how Pałuk can be a Russian at all? :picard2:

[Polak]

How can you know it, if I never had been spreching to you?

And btw, it is pikuś, taking unto account
your multiple national rozsześciorzenie jaźni... :p :laugh:

Btw, how Pałuk can be a Russian at all? :picard2:

Ale ty jesteś jebnięty. :picard2:

[Rethel]

Ale ty jesteś jebnięty. :picard2:

Look into mirror:
Ethnicity: Belarusian, Russian, Polish, Bohemian, Pałuk, German :picard2:
It is quite not normal, you know?
And btw - Pałukness is not an ethnicity... :picard1:

I see, that you are unable to disscuss longer than two posts
neither deeper matters, becasue brain is quickly exploding.
Sorry, for trying.

Credit taken back.

[Harkonnen]

Look into mirror:
Ethnicity: Belarusian, Russian, Polish, Bohemian, Pałuk, German :picard2:
It is quite not normal, you know?
And btw - Pałukness is not an ethnicity... :picard1:

I see, that you are unable to disscuss longer than two posts
neither deeper matters, becasue brain is quickly exploding.
Sorry, for trying.

Credit taken back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxloUBCYuFM

[Rethel]

Returning to the topic, there is one pretty good argument,
but unfortunatly noone yet used it. Interesting why? :)

(Actually, I have an impression, that there was
no argument at all, exept "becasue I said so").

[Profileid]

ur still not german

[ЛыSSый]

Ale ty jesteś jebnięty. :picard2:

alternatively talented

[Token]

You are culturally Polish, speak Polish natively and probably cluster close to Poles so, you are Polish or West Slav if you prefer.

[Rethel]

You are culturally Polish, speak Polish natively and probably cluster close to Poles so, you are Polish or West Slav if you prefer.

Slavic I am, but not a Slav.
These are not synonims.
Read OP and follow he rules.


ur still not german

And you still cannot proof that I am a Slav.
A Slav in my avatar doesn;t count :laugh:

[Token]

Slavic I am, but not a Slav. These are not synonims. Read OP and follow he rules.
Yes, they are. Slavs or Slav is just a Slavic ethnonym and comes from Proto-Slavic *Slověně probably deriving from *slovo that basically means 'people who understand each other'.

[Polak]

Yes, they are. Slavs or Slav is just a Slavic ethnonym and comes from Proto-Slavic *Slověně probably deriving from *slovo that basically means 'people who understand each other'.

Rethel claims that Slav and Slavic aren't interchangeable, yet claims that nationality and ethnicity are. This is some deranged individual.

[Rethel]

Rethel claims that Slav and Slavic aren't interchangeable, yet claims that nationality and ethnicity are. This is some deranged individual.

Certainly your Pałukness is both... :picard2:

Probably you had pałuka from geography, history and WOS.

Say to someone on the street, that polish etniczność and narodowość
are two different things, then he will be laughing directly into your face.

Even if we consider these as two different entities, then your sixo-phrenia is
terryfying anyway, either it applies to ethnicity either to nationality, especially,
that the Pałuks, do not belong to neither category.

[Rethel]

Yes, they are.

No, are not.
For example, you can bahve like a chinese, speak like
chinese, wear chinese cloth, think like chinese - so you
will be sinic-chinesish, but you never will be a Chinaman
who was born that way.


Slavs or Slav is just a Slavic ethnonym and comes from Proto-Slavic *Slověně probably deriving from *slovo that basically means 'people who understand each other'.

So, everyone who lives on the field is a Pole?

[Token]

No, are not.
For example, you can bahve like a chinese, speak like
chinese, wear chinese cloth, think like chinese - so you
will be sinic-chinesish, but you never will be a Chinaman
who was born that way.

So, everyone who lives on the field is a Pole?
So what you are? Germanic? :picard1:
I don't know why some Eastern Europeans doesn't like being associated with Slavs, they were and are a great people.

[Ülev]

So what you are? Germanic? :picard1:
I don't know why some Eastern Europeans doesn't like being associated with Slavs, they were and are a great people.

mostly because of Russians and Xoxols

[Rethel]

So what you are? Germanic? :picard1:

Polish German, Polgerman.
Deutschstämmige - from german core.


I don't know why some Eastern Europeans doesn't like being associated with Slavs, they were and are a great people.

Why do you assume, that I do not like?
I like - but it is the fact, that I am of german provenance.
I cannot change it. It is not, that I want to be a German,
but I am not - it is rather the opposite. I would like to be
a - for example - Polan or Mazur, or whatever, especialy,
that slovianophilism it is one of my favorite topics, as well
as Piastic slavic Poland. It would be nice. This is why I did
this thread - maybe someone can show me, that really am
I Slav, but I do not know about it.

The one who want to pretend to be someone else is Polak.
Probably he is really a Pole, who want to be five other different things...

[Polak]

Polish German, Polgerman.
Deutschstämmige - from german core.



Why do you assume, that I do not like?
I like - but it is the fact, that I am of german provenance.
I cannot change it. It is not, that I want to be a German,
but I am not - it is rather the opposite. I would like to be
a - for example - Polan or Mazur, or whatever, especialy,
that slovianophilism it is one of my favorite topics, as well
as Piastic slavic Poland. It would be nice. This is why I did
this thread - maybe someone can show me, that really am
I Slav, but I do not know about it.

The one who want to pretend to be someone else is Polak.
Either he is really a Pole, who want to be five other different things...

My family comes from this places, not my fault really. Anyhow, when you're losing an argument, just throw around random garbage and insults. You're 99% Polish, but you're 100% stupid. Nie jestem Pałukiem ty głupi cepie, mojego dziadka rodzina to Pałuki.

[Token]

Polish German, Polgerman. Deutschstämmige - from german core.
Why do you assume, that I do not like?
I like - but it is the fact, that I am of german provenance.
I cannot change it. It is not, that I want to be a German,
but I am not - it is rather the opposite. I would like to be
a - for example - Polan or Mazur, or whatever, especialy,
that slovianophilism it is one of my favorite topics, as well
as Piastic slavic Poland. It would be nice. This is why I did
this thread - maybe someone can show me, that really am
I Slav, but I do not know about it.

From what region your German ancestry came and how much German you are? I am certain that you are not very different from the average Pole genetically but i can be wrong.
Also, you don't need to be part of just one group. If you have some German ancestry, you can claim Germanic heritage but the greatest part of your ancestry is still Slavic.

[Rethel]

From what region your German ancestry came

I wrote about it above in previous posts.


and how much German you are?

How, how much? 100%. Second option would be 0%.
So, why are you asking at all? Sensless question.
Either someone is, either not.


I am certain that you are not very different from the average Pole genetically but i can be wrong.

What it has to do with that? Polishness is not a race, the same as Germanness.
Are you maybe a Nazi of jewish provenance, who after genetic test is reveald a Hamite?? :laugh:


Also, you don't need to be part of just one group. If you have some German ancestry, you can claim Germanic heritage but the greatest part of your ancestry is still Slavic.

Of course I am not a part of one group, especially, that germanness is the most
meaningless irl, but it has nothing to do with the main theme of that thread.

[Rethel]

My family comes from this places, not my fault really.

It is irrelevant, where your paciotki are coming from.


Anyhow, when you're losing an argument, just throw around random garbage and insults.

The only one, who until now was using insults is you.
It is interesting, that you exellently discribed your own
behavior - but presrcibed it to me... what is it?
Squered hypocrysy or what?


You're 99% Polish, but you're 100% stupid. Nie jestem Pałukiem ty głupi cepie, mojego dziadka rodzina to Pałuki.

Just you proved what I said above.
If you are not a pałuk, why are you writing, that you are? :picard2:

And now, I have to quote you about yourself:

when you're losing an argument, just throw around random garbage and insults.

[Polak]

It is irrelevant, where your paciotki are coming from.



The only one, who until now was using insults is you.
It is interesting, that you exellently discribed your own
behavior - but presrcibed it to me... what is it?
Squered hypocrysy or what?



Just you proved what I said above.
If you are not a pałuk, why are you writing, that you are? :picard2:

And now, I have to quote you about yourself:

when you're losing an argument, just throw around random garbage and insults.

And you took the bait, how does it feel to be fooled?
There's no point arguing with you, your stupidity is endless (as is your knowledge), it's ok; Bernhardt is a normal, Polish name, Pałuki are whatever you said Slav and Slavic aren't interchangeable and you're 100% German because you say so. I always support Autism, where ever it may lurk, be it in real life or in Rethel.

[Token]

How, how much? 100%. Second option would be 0%.
So, why are you asking at all? Sensless question.
Either someone is, either not.
What you said here don't makes any sense. You can perfectly be half German and half Polish, or one quarter German and three quarters Polish. Some people said that you have some obsession with haplogroups and deny the validity of Autossomal but like it or not you need to face the reality.


What it has to do with that? Polishness is not a race, the same as Germanness.
Are you maybe a Nazi of jewish provenance, who after genetic test is reveald a Hamite??
Different countries, even with some regional differences, tends to be similar genetically.
I didn't understand your second sentence, do Poles generally like to discuss using senseless analogies?

[Rethel]

What you said here don't makes any sense. You can perfectly be half German and half Polish, or one quarter German and three quarters Polish. Some people said that you have some obsession with haplogroups and deny the validity of Autossomal but like it or not you need to face the reality.

Ethnicities are not races. Not obsession, but normality.
Only rootless people, who do not know who they are from, need some au testing.
And only whoresons are trying to fit to their mothers whatever-identity.
If you do not understand it - the basic civilisational principle - it is not my fault.
And I am not the only normal man on this forum. I know, that among freaks,
normal person looks like a freak, but it is what we have here.


Different countries, even with some regional differences, tends to be similar genetically.
I didn't understand your second sentence, do Poles generally like to discuss using senseless analogies?

Not sensless, but you didn;t get it. But nevermind.
If you think, that germanness is a race, it is your problem. :picard2:

[Rethel]

It is btw interesting, that people, who have no cultural raising at home, do not
know almost nothing about european or christian values, do not know history, do
not have any roots - are feeling to be able to judge everything, what they do not
know or understand, basing on their own thinking, how it should be...

[Token]

Ethnicities are not races. Not obsession, but normality.
Only rootless people, who do not know who they are from, need some au testing.
And only whoresons are trying to fit to their mothers whatever-identity.
If you do not understand it - the basic civilisational principle - it is not my fault.
And I am not the only normal man on this forum. I know, that among freaks,
normal person looks like a freak, but it is what we have here.
It's your opinion and you are certainly not the owner of the truth, there is no need to offend people that thinks differently from you.


Not sensless, but you didn;t get it.
But nevermind - if you think, that germanness is a race, it is your problem.
Like i said, Germans plot close to each other, no matter the region. By the way, you are genetically, culturally and linguistically Pole so why the hell you consider yourself German? It's pretty simple but it seems that you want to distort things just to fit your desire.

[Peterski]

Germans plot close to each other, no matter the region.

Not really.

There are 3 distinct clusters - 1) West & South Germans, 2) North Germans, 3) East Germans.

[Rethel]

It's your opinion and you are certainly not the owner of the truth,

Truth is one. Either someone know her, or not. Those who do not knw her,
think, that know better, than those who do. In sensless cases pretend to
be agnostics, as you tryed here. It is enugh to look at your ID card to see
her - or to repeat what you was taught at scholl or at the church. Truth in
that metter is really not so hard or far to find, It is arund you, and should be
in you - but if your instincts are broken, then still you have an enviroment to
get her if - ofcourse - you are willing to.


there is no need to offend people that thinks differently from you.

And were did I offend you?


Like i said, Germans plot close to each other, no matter the region.

And did I negate it somewhere?
But t is not truth. Prussians or
Transilvanians plot differently
than Alsatians or Americans.


By the way, you are genetically, culturally and linguistically Pole so why the hell you consider yourself German?

Becasue my forefathers were?
So, how can I be something else?


It's pretty simple but it seems that you want to distort things just to fit your desire.

So, even if I will everytime said, I have no such disrie, or I will
say that I have opposite - it would be meaningless, becasue you
always will know better. If I one day confirm, that am Italian - will
you be repeating the same sensless bunch of words, which are going
only to hit me, not proving anything, and denying only to deny.

I ask you in first post adrresed to you, to read the OP. You obvioysly
didn;t do that, becasue you are producing irrelevant posts, not showing
any proves of what you claim and what is the subject of this topic.
For what? To show, that you know better - without any proofs?
Do you know better than me, where I am form? Really?

[Token]

Truth is one. Either someone know her, or not. Those who do not knw her,
think, that know better, than those who do. In sensless cases pretend to
be agnostics, as you tryed here. It is enugh to look at your ID card to see
her - or to repeat what you was taught at scholl or at the church. Truth in
that metter is really not so hard or far to find, It is arund you, and should be
in you - but if your instincts are broken, then still you have an enviroment to
get her if - ofcourse - you are willing to.



And were did I offend you?



And did I negate it somewhere?
But t is not truth. Prussians or
Transilvanians plot differently
than Alsatians or Americans.



Becasue my forefathers were?
So, how can I be something else?



So, even if I will everytime said, I have no such disrie, or I will
say that I have opposite - it would be meaningless, becasue you
always will know better. If I one day confirm, that am Italian - will
you be repeating the same sensless bunch of words, which are going
only to hit me, not proving anything, and denying only to deny.

I ask you in first post adrresed to you, to read the OP. You obvioysly
didn;t do that, becasue you are producing irrelevant posts, not showing
any proves of what you claim and what is the subject of this topic.
For what? To show, that you know better - without any proofs?
Do you know better than me, where I am form? Really?
I don't said that you offended me, but "and only whoresons are trying to fit to their mothers whatever-identity" is not insulting those who thinks differently from yourself?
The rest of your post was just your usual endless cycle of senseless sentences.
I don't need to prove that Poles are Slavs because it's a simple fact, if you don't want to accept it it's your choice but no one consider you German and never will, it's up to you if you want to continue in this delusion. To call yourself German you need to be at least genetically like them, but you're not even that.

[Token]

Not really.

There are 3 distinct clusters - 1) West & South Germans, 2) North Germans, 3) East Germans.

I agree that there are regional differences, West and South Germans tends to cluster closer to Alpine populations and North Germans are generally more prototypically Germanic while there is a heavy and important 'Slavic' influence in East Germans, but they still cluster relatively close to each other and form a clear genetic group.

[Philip Latinowitz]

Rethel's at least not a cuck.

Screw this genetic faggotry, if his forefathers were Krauts than he's Kraut too. At least he's not bending down and trying to assimilate in modern nation concept, the fact if he speaks German or not's irrelevant.

Respect bro.

[Rethel]

but "and only whoresons are trying to fit to their mothers whatever-identity" is not insulting those who thinks differently from yourself?

They can think whatever they want to, but if they deny the truth, attack me only
for speaking as normal human, european, IE, christian person, and are elevating some
idiotic stuff from the social margine behaving like savages or whoresons - then only
naming it as it is can help them. If not, there is no hope. If they like to act as whoresons,
then they cannot be offended as they have it as a normal bahaviour. If they are offended,
it means, they know, I said the truth so the more should change their behaviour to not
be ones, who they know they are.


those who thinks differently from yourself

If someone would think, that 2+2=5 - would it mean, that
he is right and I cannot stick to the truth, that 2+2=4?


The rest of your post was just your usual endless cycle of senseless sentences.

And you as usuall didn;t understand the matter.


I don't need to prove that Poles are Slavs because it's a simple fact,

And where I said, Poles are not Slavs and was saying, that you have to prove it? :picard1:


if you don't want to accept it it's your choice but

As above :picard1:


no one consider you German and never will,

1. Do you really think I care?
2. Do you really think, being x-ethnicity is depending on somebody;s "considering"?

I consider you negro. It means, you are a nigro.
Fact just proven, according to your logic.


it's up to you if you want to continue in this delusion. To call yourself German you need to be at least genetically like them, but you're not even that.

Can you understand, that being a Germn is not a race, or it is too hard for you?

So, I get, that your son, the more grandson will not
be your's becasue he will be not genetically like you... :picard2:
Did you reject your grandfather also?

And you are surrprized, that I am speaking about whoredom mentatlity... :picard1:
Guess what: half of history and reality doesn;t fit to what you;ve just suggested.
Of course, now you will be offended, that you are an ignorant...

[Token]

If someone would think, that 2+2=5 - would it mean, that he is right and I cannot stick to the truth, that 2+2=4?
This was your worst analogy that i've ever read, you can do better Rethel. It's not for nothing that Math is a exact science so how you want to compare it with the sense of identity of someone? :picard1:


And you as usuall didn;t understand the matter.
Maybe i'm just not used to your way of talking, is this a Polish thing? It seems that you just circulates around what you want to say or maybe you just overexplain things. You can talk straight with me, i'm not a retarded.


And where I said, Poles are not Slavs and was saying, that you have to prove it?
Well, you are a Pole and when i say that you are a Slav you tell me to prove so what's your problem? :confused:


1. Do you really think I care?
2. Do you really think, being x-ethnicity is depending on somebody;s "considering"?
I consider you negro. It means, you are a nigro. Fact just proven, according to your logic.
But when almost everyone consider you a negro maybe there's some truth to that don't you think? :bored:



Can you understand, that being a Germn is not a race, or it is too hard for you?
Where i said that German is a race? :picard1: It's a ethnic group and they are related genetically.


So, I get, that your son, the more grandson will not
be your's becasue he will be not genetically like you...
Did you reject your grandfather also?
So you will reject all the others ancestry that you have and embrace only the heritage of your grandfather? :picard2: You are apparently a self-hater.


And you are surrprized, that I am speaking about whoredom mentatlity...
Guess what: half of history and reality doesn;t fit to what you;ve just suggested.
Of course, now you will be offended, that you are an ignorant...
It's ironic to see you labeling others as 'ignorant'.

[Rethel]

This was your worst analogy that i've ever read, you can do better Rethel. It's not for nothing that Math is a exact science so how you want to compare it with the sense of identity of someone?

Becasue the whole world, has only the one pattern for it.
Our civilization has it. Our history has it. Our religion has it.
Someone has to be really a moron to not know it - especially
if claims to be able to lead disscussions on that topic.


Well, you are a Pole and when i say that you are a Slav you tell me to prove so what's your problem?

Well, you are a negro, and when i say you are a Bantu, you tell me to prove so what;s your problem.

This is the level of this what you;ve just said.

The very OP (which I still doubt that you read it) explains it.

Btw, I cannot be a Pole, becasue none of my ascendnatds
(so important for you) lived in the land of Poles, neither do
I live there. Ask Peterski - he knows, he is from there. So,
how can I be one of them?

But I allready explained the matter, and all what you have to say is:
you are a Pole so you are a Slav - when I explained widely, that it is
not like that. You just said, you are not a retard, but you cannot
understand such simple thing? :picard1:

Argument "becasue I said so" is not an argument at all.
And this is what you've just said.


But when almost everyone consider you a negro
maybe there's some truth to that don't you think? :bored:

:picard2:


Where i said that German is a race? :picard1:

So, you want to say, you do not understand, what you are saying? :confused:


It's a ethnic group and they are related genetically.

Wonderfully. So I am too - I have no ties to Polans at all.
Whole my chain of ancestors lead to german core.
So, what is your problem?


So you will reject all the others ancestry

What others ancestry?
How can I have more than one ancestry?
I do not have two fathers - do you? :picard2:


that you have and embrace only the heritage of your grandfather? :picard2: You are apparently a self-hater.

Why self-haters always say it to not selfhaters? :picard2:

You are not even aware, how self hating you are... You want
your own children to not be yours but some other strange's people... :picard2:


It's ironic to see you labeling others as 'ignorant'.

You know, being an ingnorant includes not being aware of that fact - becasue of
that ignorace. You are just showing now with every sentence, how ignorant you are.

And sorry, that I am not enlighting you - I did it hundrets of times here, and morons
remain morons, rejecting everything, and staying with theoir own developed truth in
their own self-wisdom. I am not going to replace your lack of self-preserving instinct,
your teachers, your parents or grandparents, your preist, or whoever who should teach
you basic terms of our civilisation and self respect. You can feel butthurt, or repair it on
your own. If you choose the first option, we can cicling over and over again with the same,
and you will never get anything as you have not the knowledge needed to recognize the
error, but you think you have. It is exactly like speaking with the person, who is stubborn
to the result that 2+2=5 - she is not even aware, and want not to be, that belives in error.


You say you are not retard, but you cannot differenciate house-family from family-close people.
You say you are not retard, but you cannot understand that ethnicity is not a race.
You say you are not retard, but you do not know anything about principles ruling in our civilization, religion and in our spiecies.
You say you are not retard, but you do not know, how history was made and by which principles.
You say you are not retard, but you are unable to follow OP's rules for this thread and speak on topic.
You say you are not retard, but you do not honour your own forefathers and descendants.
You say you are not retard, but you do not want to learn anyhthing new, thinking, that you know everything.

So, how it is?

YOU CAN TO NOT AGREE with such things - but you cannot deny their existance.
But you deny, and are trying make me a fool, becasue I am speaking about them,
when the one who is fooling around is you - becasue you do not even understand
what you are talking about, and you are laughing at things, you have no idea about.

So first, learn something, and then start to discuss the matter.
The fact, that you was born yesterday, doesn't yet mean, that
your idea about the reality is the correct one.

[Token]

Becasue the whole world, has only the one pattern for it.
Our civilization has it. Our history has it. Our religion has it.
Someone has to be really a moron to not know it - especially
if claims to be able to lead disscussions on that topic.

Well, you are a negro, and when i say you are a Bantu, you tell me to prove so what;s your problem.

This is the level of this what you;ve just said.

The very OP (which I still doubt that you read it) explains it.

Btw, I cannot be a Pole, becasue none of my ascendnatds
(so important for you) lived in the land of Poles, neither do
I live there. Ask Peterski - he knows, he is from there. So,
how can I be one of them?

But I allready explained the matter, and all what you have to
say is: you are a Pole so you are a slav - whan I explained widly,
that it is not like that. You just said, you are not a retard, but
you cannot understand such simple thing? :picard1:

Argument "becasue I said so" is not an argument at all.
And this is what you;ve just said.

:picard2:



So, you want to say, you do not understand, what you are saying?



Wonderfully. So I am too - I have no ties to Polans at all.
Whole my chain of ancestors lead to german core.
So, what is your problem?



What others ancestry?
How can I have more than one ancestry?
I do not have two fathers - do you? :picard2:



Why slef-haters always say it to not selfhaters? :picard2:

You are not even aware, how self hating you are... You want
your own children to not be yours but some other strange people... :picard2:



You know, being an ingnorant includes not being aware of that fact - becasue of your ignorace.
You are just showing now with every sentence, how ignorant you are.

And sorry, that I am not enlighting you - I did it hundrets of times here, and
morons became morons, rejecting everything, and staying with theoir own
developed truth in their own self-wisdom. I am not going to replace your
lack of self-preserving instinct, your teachers, your parents or grandparents,
your preist, or whoever who shoudl teach you basic terms of our civilisation.
You can feel butthurt, or repair it on your own. If you chooce first otin, we
can cicling over and over again with tyhe same, and you will never get anything
as you are not the knowledge,but you think you have. It is exactly like speaking
with the person, who is stubborn to the result that 2+2=5 - she is not even aware,
and want not to be, that belives in error.


You say you are not retard, but you cannot differenciate house-family from family-close people.
You say you are not retard, but you cannot understand that ethnicity is not a race.
You say you are not retard, but you do not know anything about principles ruling in our civilization, religion and in our spiecies.
You say you are not retard, but you do not know, how history was made and by which principles.
You say you are not retard, but you are unable to follow OP's rules for this thread and speak on topic.
You say you are not retard, but you do not honour your own forefathers and descendants.
You say you are not retard, but you do not want to learn anyhthing new, thinking, that you know everything.

So, how it is?

YOU CAN NOT AGREE with such things - but not deny their existance.
But you deny, and are trying make me fool, becasue I am speaking about them,
when the one who is fooling around is you - becasue you do not even understand
what you are talking about, and you are lauguhing at things, you have no idea about.

So first, learn something, and then start to discuss the matter.
The fact, that you was biorn yesterday, doesn;t mean, that your idea about reality is the correct one.
Men, i don't care and don't want to hear what you think about family or identity, i am just saying that you are Slav like any ethnic Pole. If you do a ancestry test you will see that you are very similar to other Poles and people in the real world don't care where your 'forefather' or whatever lived: you will be considered a Pole like any other, simple as that. You need to understand that haplogroups are useful to track migrations and such things but they don't show the main bulk of your ancestry, there are lots of Blacks in america that have Anglo-Saxon haplogroups but they are not Anglo-Saxons. It's the reality like it or not.
If the greatest part of your ancestry is German then i don't see problem in you considering yourself German but this is not the case, you are almost fully Polish and just deny all your Slavic ancestry.

[Rethel]

Men, i don't care and don't want to hear what you think about family or identity,

It is the key.
How can you judge, if you have no idea how to do this? :picard2:


i am just saying that you are Slav like any ethnic Pole.

Again, read OP - you have to prove it. I am waiting.

From which tribe I am, and what proves do you have?

Or you just think in your ignorance, that everyone in Poland is a Pole and a Slav? :picard2:


If you do a ancestry test you will see that you are very similar to other Poles

So if your father would buy your mother on the market in Mekka,
and the same would do your grandfather - you would be an Arab,
becasue you would have majority of arab autosomal? {img]http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif[/img]

Even Arabs would laugh you to death... http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif

Btw, how a Brasilian can be a German? Are you a wannabe too? :picard2:


and people in the real world don't care where your 'forefather' or whatever lived:

BUT I CARE.
You can be a selfhater, and do not care about your own. It is your bussiness.
Your children will also do not care about you. You do not deseve it anyway.


you will be considered a Pole like any other, simple as that.

Can you stop using this idiotic word consider.
I do not really care what you consider.
You can consider earth flat, you can consider yourself green, you can consider whatever you want.
It is neither an argument, neither a proof.

And neither I WANT to be consider anything by any one.
You are disscussing at the moment with fictional thing.
I do not desire to be considered. CAN you finally get it.
I only say the fact. Saying the fact doesn;t mean to
want to be. You could say it, if I would really want
something, but it would not follow the facts.

But I do not desire abything, I only follow the facts.
If I will tomorrow, find a proof that I am an ltes say Italian,
and I will say it - would also try to made me wanting it? :picard2:

The only explanation for you behaviour is the only who leaded most people - own desires.
You judge me, as you judge yourself - ergo, you yourself are some kind of wanna be, who
want to be something, and for that he needs some autosomal shit, becasue himself does
not know who he is, and from where. Sorry, if it is truth, but do not put me in your shoes.


You need to understand that haplogroups are useful to track migrations

Agree - and they can show your personal migration too.


and such things but they don't show the main bulk of your ancestry,

MAN!!!! 100000th I do repeat - I DO NOT WAS SAYING ABOUT IT ANYTHIN.
CAN YOU AT LEAST AT ONCE READ WAHT I AM SAYING, NOT WAHT YOU WANT TO READ.
You said, you are not retard, but I am starting to doubt it, as you cannot follow such simple question.


there are lots of Blacks in america that have Anglo-Saxon haplogroups but they are not Anglo-Saxons.

They have AS provenance, you like it or not.
But what? Negro without AS hg in England is AS?


It's the reality like it or not.

Reality is, that they are Americans of English provenance, who are racially black.


If the greatest part of your ancestry is German then i don't see problem in you considering yourself German

So some Abdul Husain ibn Laden from Yemen can be a German, if he and his
ancestors bouight enough German concubines to make him autosomaly enough? http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif

MAN, I REPEAT TO YOU 100TH TIME. ETHNICITY IS NOT A RACE.

Can you absorbed it?


but this is not the case, you are almost fully Polish and just deny all your Slavic ancestry.

How can I deny something, which I do not have? :picard2:

Do you actually listen what I am saying or not?
I one post I said, I would even like to have such
ancestry, and you are pressing me, that I deny it!
So, are you retard or not, because I am staring to
doubt. And again - I told you, that I have none
ascendant from there, neither I am not living
there - ask Peterski, he is from there.

If you claim, not being asked - that you are not retard,
it would be nice at least to listen with understanding,
what someone is saying to you.

And if you claim I am the Slav, then please, proof it. So
much bubbling, and you still did not show any proof of it,
neither you did not told me, from which slavic tribe I am,
and how do you know this.

SO I AM WAITING.
IF YOU CLAIM SOMETHING PLEASE PROOF IT.

[Token]

It is the key. How can you judge, if you have no idea how to do this?
I don't judge and try to be as neutral as possible. I just tell facts, it's up to you to accept or deny them.


Again, read OP - you have to prove it. I am waiting.
From which tribe I am, and what proves do you have?
Or you just think in your ignorance, that everyone in Poland is a Pole and a Slav?
I don't know your ancestry and these tribes don't exist anymore, you are in the twentieth century.
No, there are certainly Poles with a lot of German ancestry but they are not the majority. The average Pole plot with other Slavs.

http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/wp-content/blogs.dir/461/files/2012/04/i-d6e277c7cfe2801091f7f88f49949f75-genmapeuropeA.jpg


So if your father would buy your mother on the market in Mekka,
and the same would do your grandfather - you would be an Arab,
becasue you would have majority of arab autosomal? {img]http://emotikona.pl/emotikony/pic/2smiech.gif[/img]
Even Arabs would laugh you to death...
Btw, how a Brasilian can be a German? Are you a wannabe too?
You would be half Arab and half of whatever ancestry your father passed to you. Most people are not only a single ethnicity.
No, i am not a German but i am mostly Low Saxon and Franconian, probably around 70% or more but i am very proud of my other ancestries and i don't say that i am simply German even if i have much more in common with them than you.


But I do not desire abything, I only follow the facts.
If I will tomorrow, find a proof that I am an ltes say Italian,
and I will say it - would also try to made me wanting it?
The only explanation for you behaviour is the only who leaded most people - own desires.
You judge me, as you judge yourself - ergo, you yourself are some kind of wanna be, who
want to be something, and for that he needs some autosomal shit, becasue himself does
not know who he is, and from where. Sorry, if it is truth, but do not put me in your shoes
If you find that you are Italian genetically then you are Italian, there's something wrong with that?
No, i am not a wannabe like you, i am proud of all my ancestors and i don't need ancestry tests because i know them very well and the most important, i know myself.


MAN!!!! 100000th I do repeat - I DO NOT WAS SAYING ABOUT IT ANYTHIN.
CAN YOU AT LEAST AT ONCE READ WAHT I AM SAYING, NOT WAHT YOU WANT TO READ.
You said, you are not retard, but I am starting to doubt it, as you cannot follow such simple question.
Wow, you are pretty hot-blooded, Germans certainly don't behave this way. I just said that because it looks that you don't know (or maybe don't want to accept) the most simple things about genetics.


So some Abdul Husain ibn Laden from Yemen can be a German, if he and his
ancestors bouight enough German concubines to make him autosomaly enough?
MAN, I REPEAT TO YOU 100TH TIME. ETHNICITY IS NOT A RACE.
Can you absorbed it?
He would be German with some Arab ancestry but linguistically and culturally Arab. It's simple, isn't it?


How can I deny something, which I do not have?
This was your dumbest statement. You are a self-hater and it's sad that you just deny the greatest part of your ancestry. I think your family would laught at your face if you said to them that you are German.


How can I deny something, which I do not have?

Do you actually listen what I am saying or not?
I one post I said, I would even like to have such
ancestry, and you are pressing me, that I deny it!
So, are you retard or not, because I am staring to
doubt. And again - I told you, that I have none
ascendant from there, neither I am not living
there - ask Peterski, he is from there.

If you claim, not being asked - that you are not retard,
it would be nice at least to listen with understanding,
what someone is saying to you.

And if you claim I am the Slav, then please, proof it. So
much bubbling, and you still did not show any proof of it,
neither you did not told me, from which slavic tribe I am,
and how do you know this.
Your ancestry is majoritarily Polish and if you are not blind you probably saw the genetic map that i posted above. Poles cluster close to Slovaks and Russians and the map that you posted shows that West Slavic tribes were present basically throughout Poland. Do you need more proofs, wannabe German?

[Polak]

There's no point arguing, I have Schuberts, Döners and Zieberts as my great grandparents, yet I don't claim to be fully German, I only claim to be partially German because I am. I, however, consider myself a Pole when it comes to nationality, but I can speak German?

[Rethel]

There's no point arguing, I have Schuberts, Döners and Zieberts as my great grandparents,

But you are neither a Schubert, neither a Döner, neither a Ziebert. So... :picard2:

If you are not one of them how can you be a German
becasue of them? They did not even adopt you... :picard1:


consider myself a Pole when it comes to nationality,

It is really wonderfull, that you foced yourself to consider yourself according to, who you really are.


but I can speak German?

Do not ask me, you should know better if you speak or not.
But millions of Poles speak natively German, and what?
Does it make them all ludolfingian Germans? :picard2:

[Polak]

But you are neither a Schubert, neither a Döner, neither a Ziebert. So... :picard2:

If you are not one of them how can you be a German
becasue of them? They did not even adopt you... :picard1:



It is really wonderfull, that you foced yourself to consider yourself according to, who you really are.



Do not ask me, you should know better if you speak or not.
But millions of Poles speak natively German, and what?
Does it make them all ludolfingian Germans? :picard2:

Yes but if you had a functioning brain, you would know that I carry their blood irregardless whether I carry their name and because of that I am more German than you will ever be.

[Ülev]

Did Winston Churchill say that Germany should be bombed every 50 years for no reason? (https://www.quora.com/Did-Winston-Churchill-say-that-Germany-should-be-bombed-every-50-years-for-no-reason)

[Rethel]

Yes but if you had a functioning brain, you would know that I carry their blood

You can carry whatever you want, but you are not them.
Every person having a brain, would logically conclude further...


irregardless whether I carry their name

Who said something, about carrying their name? :picard2:
You can named yourself even a Radziwiłł, or
a Piast but it not will make you one of them. :picard1:

But if you can't even understand why you do not
carry their name, then nothing strange, that you
can;t understand more advanced things.



and because of that I am more German than you will ever be.

Ja, ja.. niezłe jaja.
Subscribed yourself to the Union of Germans
in Poland - there is more such delusionists.
You will fit :)

[Rethel]

Did Winston Churchill say that Germany should be bombed every 50 years for no reason?

To much foreigners, pretending to be descendants of Tuiscon?

[Rethel]

Noone want to try?

[Ülev]

https://youtu.be/w67F_dIqitg

[Rethel]

The author of this map should play at lotto.
He marked me as a German colony... :)
Year 1930.

Actually recent german settlers were further on
the north, west, south and east, but he marked
exactly just me, not them :) Firstly I see it ever. :)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Lange_diercke_sachsen_deutschtum_mitteleuropa.jpg

[Ülev]

die Weichsel rauscht
die graue Weichsel rinnt

https://youtu.be/iAlW4TTuOn8

[Rethel]

die Weichsel rauscht
die graue Weichsel rinnt

Not this Fluß... tut mir leid... :pout:

[Ülev]

make Rethel unban again